Why does Ganker hate the idea that characters can be redeemed and improve themselves? I find it strange that a board full of people who are seen as irredeemable by normalgays would think its bad, impossible or unncessary for a man to change himself.
Why does?
>improve themselves
says who ? why do we have to define what is an improvement and what is not ? notice how on big social media a majority of people expect others to adhere to the same moral code and same line of thinking, its the same shit when morons spew shit like "be better" or "don't be evil", frick your zombie army
The context of what that means is abundantly clear in those games. If you don't get it, you clearly weren't paying attention and therefore lose all analytical credibility.
moronic opinion but regardless, Kratos doesn't believe that. It matches Kratos at the end of GOW 3.
>The context of what that means is abundantly clear in those games.
no they just show you rules and steps to be X, they claim X is the best it's the morally superior choice why would you ever deviate from X, you need X because Y. please shut the frick up you silly moron
So Kratos didn't improve himself in context of Birgir, right? Because if we take this vague "context", then Birgir is the part of it. And he did give up on fighting. Kratos should've done the same, but he didn't. Or there's context's context too?
Graham didn't' start out evil from the player's perspective, all we have are stories and when were introduced to him a majority of his transformation is already complete. Kratos starts out malicious, unforgiving, amoral, violent etc and the player plays as him. You're meant to feel sympathy for some of his actions while indulging in the dickish power fantasy aspect. They aren't the same at all. Graham had to go through horrible shit to go back to his "old Mormon self:, Kratos has died twice, been christened a god and personally seen his wife and child in the afterlife and still didn't improve.
Kratos did nothing wrong
>Kratos
>redeemed
He wasn't even much of a bad guy in the first place. Pretty much everything he does in the first three games is rational and justifiable.
Not even original trilogy Kratos believed that. This is such miserable revisionist cope.
Yeah, quite literally everything is the fault of Zeus and Are's and the consequence of not doing a single fricking thing to stop Are's from doing shit behind his back. He doesn't need to be 'redeemed' when the gods/world he killed was already fricked because lmao pandora box, nu-gow has nothing other than a vague connection to kratos' past but nothing cool is used from it other than 'remember this?'
>He wasn't even much of a bad guy in the first place
try playing the games next time instead of speedreading a wikipedia synopsis
This. Kratos was always the villain because he objectified women. Men need to be better,
There were small colaterous casualties like that poseidon sex slave with tasty looking breasts
nu-kratos is an obvious reflection of the devs who became boring middle aged men with kids and felt like the character in their game had to mirror it
Most middle-aged men are proud of the dumb shit they used to like while still realizing the things needed to define manhood for themselves and those close to them. Whats with "creators" and going"
>Boobs and violence and fun and jokes are bad, they offend!
YOU WILL HUG
ZE TREE
soilennial devs have their opinions dictated by their 4/10 fat wives
Nobody dislikes Joshua Graham though. God of War as a whole is shit but the earlier games had a sense of untamed machismo that was only made possible through the unapologetic brutality of Kratos. It would be like Master Chief becoming an anti-war protester.
In what sense does kratos need redeeming?
So-so.
Kratos is SOI. Simple as. Don't disingenuously act like neutering a character has anything to do with improvement. Kratos is entirely capable of growth but the gays that make his games are shitty writers who circle jerk to numale simulators.
It is possible for a character to reach a point past which you consider them beyond redemption. I find Kratos beyond all forgiveness, ESPECIALLY beyond the blessing of getting to have an all-new loving wife and child to live and grow old with, and I find the fact that the new games gave one to him fricking abhorrent. That's the problem for me, it's not an issue with the general concept.
Honestly, I'm more shocked that the real plot twist wasn't that the responsible for the Norse gods being buttholes were Kratos' previous wife and daughter pissed at him for having them replaced.
Iir Calliope gets one passing mention in a dialogue with Freya but that's it.
If Kratos ever went into full detail about how much of a murderous, depraved conqueror he used to be or even told Atreus they would hate him. They only have incomplete pictures or retellings, stories. The real Kratos has an almost hilarious disregard for life that isn't related to him. The real Kratos has a kill count in the millions. The real Kratos basically doomed his family in the afterlife by killing Hades, Zeus and Thanatos.
And I think that even THAT Kratos, the relentless killer brutal hotheaded "I'm gonna take a break from saving this city to frick these ladies" kind of man he was, COULD eventually reach a point where I could accept him in the position of the new Kratos, but he didn't suffer anywhere near fricking enough to reach that point.
It's literally the kind of scenario where you'd look for someone spending thousands of years enduring selfless torment and pain to expiate the weight of what they've done, not just wander the woods of Europe feeling sad for a few years
"Mature" hack and slash action games is a silly concept. Let Kratos be Kratos, he's a fun vessel for the player to control and kill stuff with. If you want some long cinematic drama about growth and redemption and what it means to be a man go watch a drama series or something. Let videogames be games that are primarily about having fun.
>Ganker hates Joshua Graham.
WHERE?
Ganker loves Joshua. WTF are you talking about?
Because the only reason their character is interesting to begin with is their flaws
Once you remove that, and instead of ending the game with the character having evolved but instead try to drag it out or make multiple new games with new "developed character" of course it's going to fricking suck. NuGoW's story is boring 99% of the time because of this, Kratos was only interesting because he was a murderous, irrational psycho who used brute strength to win. Now he's just some butthole dad with an annoying kid and nothing ever happens
The fun part of God Of War was fricking shit up. Now we have a b***hboy and it doesn't feel earned. It's too damn soon. I get the appeal and I'm glad people like it, but it's not what I wanted from the series.
Kratos kinda b***hed out because he had a kid and goes on and on about all the "muh redemption" shit via moralgayging delivered directly to the player
Joshua consistently maintains his brutality and goes out of his way to offer the violent solution to an issue because despite being forced to "be better" he doesn't suddenly completely switch his character around and can very realistically just start going back to the way he was if you encourage him
But Kratos already had a kid to begin with
We love Joshua though? Kratos just went from a relatably angry and tragic figure to an emasculated millennial
kratos relatable?
the problem is they "redeem" kratos but emasculating the shit out of him, he gets reduced to a puppy dog during scenes with his wife Faye, she straight up orders him around calling him a "Good boy", theres no sense of banter or shared dominance between them, then you have Freya, you beat her in a boss fight then in the following cutscene she has you on your knees with her blade on your neck, the only reason she doesn't easily kill Kratos is because Atreus intervenes, its fricking moronic. They equate Kratos "holding back as being a weak b***h. Through trying to redeem Kratos they show him as a vulnerable man with flaws, which is fine, but they make these flaws translate to physicality for some fricking reason
That’s because Kratos is a dog, he’s hers she’s been using him from the start to take on Odin and the Aesir because she couldn’t. Atreus is just a way of hooking him in.
It would be fine if the game were about Kratos realizing he had over-compensated for what happened in Greece and needing to regain the fire he had cast aside, empowering him both intellectually and physically, but the cuckold California writers genuinely think that Kratos abandoning his title is good character development
>kratos relatable
Yes, all of his motivations were easily comprehensible and the player shared his anger at Zeus' betrayal so we were on the same page in GOW2 and GOW3
In GOW1 the revenge plot was simple and extremely justifiable
Throughout the early games Kratos was a product of his culture, embodied many of the virtues of it while still having flaws that made him like the figures of classical Greek tragedies, anger for example was the character flaw of Achilles.
Kratos was an alright protagonist and I was rooting for him because I could relate to his motivations.
you don't know the difference between relatable and sympathy, kratos is sympathetic, he's the ultimate underdog climbing his way out of hell, if you didn't have a moment of "kratos is an butthole" when he did shit like the guy at the serpent's mouth, or the girl with the wheel, then you're just an edgy homosexual
You seem upset for no reason and want to argue over nothing. Merry Christmas!
so you found kratos relatable despite all his irredeemable shit? you could see yourself doing that under the same circumstances?
I find it odd that you would have the self-awareness to add "under the same circumstances" to your question and still lack the self-awareness to realize even your own answer should be yes lol
you would toss that guy down the serpents throat for no reason?
To be fair it was really funny every single time it happened to him lol
What do you mean no reason? That man lef the women to die to the monsters because he was a coward. For a Spartan nothing is worse than cowardice.
You didn't play the game moron that's not what relatable means
Edgy homosexual
>You didn't play the game
I have every GoW game and played them on release. I still have the E3 demo for GoW 3 that has slightly different animations and lighting.
>Edgy homosexual
Why? Because Ancient Greece had different morals than you?
He already explained to you how Kratos was relatable, dumbass. Motivations. He doesent need to be Kratos 1:1 literally me posting for every aspect of what Kratos does to be relatable.
you have no idea what relatable means you dumb c**t, answer my question or frick off
>my vengeance ends now
Relatable.
Did you guys just forget the end of God of War 3 when Kratos stabs himself with the blade of Olympus?
I like how this gay is so desperate that he’s trying to pull a gotcha by putting Kratos and Graham together. Despite the fact that when the former does the exact same shit he was doing before it’s lauded as a good thing despite the fact that he is once again someone else’s puppet. Meanwhile when Graham does it he can be talked out of it and shown that he’s just repeating the same mistakes for the sake of revenge and masking it behind the veil of righteousness and saving the tribals and Zion.
yeah but raping the white legs is good, Graham is 100 percent correct in every conceivable way, even the father in the cave agrees
No, the father said to defend Zion, they accomplished that, all killing General Gobbledyasiatic does is cause the tribes to go ape shit. It’s all about finding a balance between Josh and Daniel’s ideals. Don’t be too aggressive or too passive. Find a good middle and go with it.
When someone slaughters your people you kill them. No exceptions.
And after that what then? When there is no more threat all the tribes have is some potential threat in each other and the ending shows this, only they also have a psychotic revenant egging them on.
>And after that what then?
You celebrate. The idea that being merciless towards enemies demands the identification of new enemies is and has always been utterly baseless.
That’s literally what the game tells you they do.
No it isn't. It says sometimes the sorrows and dead horses have territorial squabbles. It's not a big deal.
In the other ending there is only tension that occasionally turns into spats. One if obviously better than the other.
That's the same thing I said
It’s not, fighting for territory isn’t the same as tension that can be remedied with diplomatic intervention.
Yeah who ever heard of diplomacy involving borders?
Then why didn’t they say that in the ending? They were pretty clear in the other about it working. Also stop samegayging,
>samegayging
Only one post replied to you, newbie
You mean you just happened to post almost an exact minute after the “other guy” you’re not subtle moron and you’re a shit liar. Go back and seethe about söy of war on reddit.
Samegayging is when one person replies to one post multiple times to try to appear as multiple people. I replied to more than one of your posts and made no attempt to appear as multiple people. newbie.
Which is exactly what you did given that you started two different comment chains from one comment. Also samegayging is also when you bump your own thread and pretend to be more than one person as a whole. You’re a tourist, you have no place calling anyone a newbie, now go back to r/söyorwar and cry about how mean the chuds on Ganker are.
No I didn't. There wasn't even 2 replies to that comment AT ALL. Also don't use chud sarcastically like that when you're spreading lefty garbage about sparing evil warlords
You did considering that it’s all stems from this comment here
also stop trying to derail with /misc/ shit you’re the one that made this thread and have been spamming this shit for weeks.
The reason letting SUW go works out best in-context of the game is because his tribe values strength and so does CL. They saw their leader come back home, tail between his legs and became demoralized. The Legion also had no real plans to let them join, so with their loss they just ignore whatever pitiful state theyr'e left in. Its a slow death of being picked upon or assimilated by other raiders. Even then most people in the FO verse and I'm sure even Randall Clark would've murdered him. Hell most real people would kill raping, murdering, tribalistic degenerates.
They’re in an extremely hard to traverse and navigate area with people that know it in and out. It’s going to be very hard for anyone to actually take down the tribes of Zion. The White Legs only had the upper hand because of Josh.
The White Legs had more people and better weapons from a vault Ulysses showed them. They were more brutal and used to human combat than people who hunt geckos and bears all day.
No they got their weapons from an Armory near Spanish Fork, Josh even explains this. And not their forces were crushed with no way of rebuilding and leader humiliated. Not to mention Caesar is now after them
Anon who do you think showed them that? Ulysses.
Are you having trouble reading? When did I say he didn’t?
Oh you must be being pedantic troony about the difference between a vault and armory...
>fricks himself over
>gets buttmad and starts screaming troon
Since when do armories function the same as Vaults? And you know what the frick I’m talking about as well. Because if you didn’t mean one of the Vault-Tec ones you would have specified.
??? how is killing the general NOT defending Zion?? he's occupying it isn't he? Daniel should not be anywhere near the discussion, he's a satirical take on dumb frick missionaries barging into shit they don't know, running forever is fricking moronic, especially when you're entire culture and history is seeped into the land beneath you. Killing any and all invaders is best. Life isn't a fricking fairy tale anon, that's the meta commentary here, you can't go through life on the fence especially when you have a murder crrazed tribe fricking up your people. Between the two evils you choose the lesser, which is self defence followed by snuffing out the head of the snake. Reread the father's journals, he admired innocence but even he knew violence was necessary.
> how is killing the general NOT defending Zion
A general is nothing without men, and all of his are either dead or running. And considering that he lost he not only loses the respect of his tribe but also has Caesar coming after him for failing
>Daniel should not be anywhere near the discussion
Daniel is an extreme like Josh, the point of him is to show that being overly passive fricks you over just as being overly aggressive, like I said there needs to be a balance.
>Life isn't a fricking fairy tale anon, that's the meta commentary here
No one said it was, but sparing Salt isn’t some unrealistic shit. At the end he has nothing and all his death does is cause chaos for Graham and the tribes.
>Reread the father's journals, he admired innocence but even he knew violence was necessary
You’re aware that I’m not saying they should run right? I’m saying they should indeed fight to defend their home and in the end that’s what they do. They routed the White Legs and made sure no one would frick with them in the future all without having to execute General Gobbledyasiatic.
they shouldn't adopt a doctrine of half measures, sure Salt is already fricked when he's beaten but so what? Caesar thought Graham was fricked but he didn't outright kill him, he went for some burning bullshit instead of 2 in the head, now Graham is back arguably more dangerous than ever, it's just a game with a set narrative but in the actual set, Salt coming back with another tribe isn't an impossibility, and ANY other enemy tribes could just not be tied to the Legion, and instead be marauding pillaging swarm, you saying they should spare that general too? he could come back as well.
>Caesar thought Graham was fricked but he didn't outright kill him, he went for some burning bullshit instead of 2 in the head
To be fair the odds of someone surviving being lit on fire and then TOSSED into the Grand Canyon is slim to none.
that's the thing, there's still odds, its easy to have a perspective of measuring it when you're just playing the game, but put yourself into the Sorrows shoes and why even take the chance, it's you or them, if you frick up and they come back with a vengeance, that's another fight for your people and land all over again
>they shouldn't adopt a doctrine of half measures, sure Salt is already fricked when he's beaten but so what
His forces are gone, his tribe thinks he’s a pussy and has no way of providing for itself, and Caesar is gunning for them. It’s over the ending even tells you that
>Caesar thought Graham was fricked but he didn't outright kill him, he went for some burning bullshit instead of 2 in the head
The man was set on fire and thrown into the Grand Canyon, it’s not like they shot him in the stomach and left him to bleed out. Not to mention if you’ve played NV you should really not be saying anything about putting two in someone’s head being a definite solution.
>Salt coming back with another tribe isn't an impossibility
It is given the way the White Legs operate and what their circumstances are. Did you actually play the game or did you just see how Ganker likes Graham and did the bare minimum of research on him before making this thread?
>ANY other enemy tribes could just not be tied to the Legion, and instead be marauding pillaging swarm
See
also play the game and find out what Josh does to people after.
You have yet to explain how Salt deserves to live
I did two replies ago, have you not been reading them?
No you didn't. You explained how he was probably going to die if he was released. But so what? He's still a demon in your clutches. Destroying him is a duty.
I did right here
also don’t start larping, if don’t have an argument and want to be obtuse and not read what I’m saying so you can prolong your shitty thread that’s up to you but I’m not going to engage in that kind of moronation.
Your post is moronic, you stupid Black person. It does not matter that Salt is powerless, he is guilty and deserves death. And as far as "causing chaos"? No, enacting justice reinforces order.
>he went for some burning bullshit instead of 2 in the head,
The next person who got shot in the head survived in this game... (You).
So no, not even that is guaranteed.
Nu God of War's idea of "improvement" is to become an impotent pussy. I have no reason to believe that the changes that Kratos has undergone are positive and that he should continue moving in that direction. The whole plot of Ragnarok would have never even happened if Kratos was more like his older, better self. But you're right in that it's nothing new, even GoW 3 started this stupid trend of pretending that massacring dipshit tyrant gods was somehow wrong. But it wasn't in Greece, and wouldn't be in Sweden either.
You’re flat out lying. God of war 3 goes out of its way to say that removing Zeus is theoretically a positive. What’s less positive is the literal thousands of innocents that Kratos killed because he was a selfish prick who cared more about getting his than the untold suffering that mission caused.
You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. Either it's just or it's not. Yes, a lot of fricking people died in Kratos's war on the gods. It's not like there was a way for him to go about it that wouldn't have resulted in this end, and more importantly, permanently removing evil gods is more important than the collateral damage.
You mean the game that goes out of it's way to tell you that the god's got fricking infected by evil and are gonna destroy the world? The same ones who tricked, lied, and manipulated Kratos while also blocking his access to Zeus?
>Why does Ganker hate the idea that characters can be redeemed and improve themselves?
Change yes, but you need to change for the better, not to become a fricking pussy.
>redeemed and improve themselves
>Kratos
Stop doing this. Kratos had his own story and a complete arc that it told through all the actual games. Nu-Gow is just hijacking his character and turning him into le nice dad for all the fatherless Black folk that love Snoy games. Doesn't help that both the people who made Nu-Gow and people who love them don't understand original Kratos and just see him as a stupid, violent brute and not a broken, tortured man who lost everything and is too consumed by his anger to see the consequences of his wrath until its too late. The same people also think Nu-Gow is the first time Kratos ever had actual emotions and actually cared about someone.
Because women write these games and make them incredibly gay walking simulators
Redemption?
>redeemed
By being a little b***h like Kratos?
Graham was a good character written to be redeemed from his inception and hes beloved here. So your point about Ganker hating redemption is just wrong right out the gate, people hate nuKratos because hes nuKratos. Kratos was a stolen character rewritten to be someone else, to the dismay of the creator. Kratos was forced to be a redemption story, to the point where he lost his identity by thr authors changing him beyond the margins of believability. Not to mention he didnt do much wrong in the first place. His redemption was not what the real Kratos would do, and this is the word of god, from his creator who has disavowed modern Kratos for the same reasons the board tends to.
>posts a character Ganker creams over as much as reddit does
hes literally the god of war.
>oh im sorry about all that war, bros, i was just a little upset, will you ever forgive me?
also a career soldier
>gods come to his village to literally kill him and his brother
>Athena stops it from happening
i can't believe Athena let Olympus fall...
homosexual
old kratos has more personality and redeeming characteristic than nuTos
vinland saga did it better
>i have no enemy
stfu moron
except you don't see the change happen
changing a character through a time skip does not count as real character development
People don't change. There are moments where a traumatic event might force you to "change" but it's always just temporary and the person always goes back to their default state/way of thinking if given enough time.
>goes back to their default state/way of thinking
i guess all the people who have radically and permanently changed just never actually changed then
Exactly.
Name 10 people that changed permanently.
That guy who got a railroad spike in his brain and St. Paul
Because it's lame and boring.
If Kratos can have a redemption after genociding billions+literal gods then so can Hitler as his crimes are minuscule in comparison.
>OP gets btfo
>starts spamming /misc/ shit to derail the thread like he always does.
I'm right. You might not like it but objectively I am correct. Good day sir.
>doesn’t deny being OP
Why would someone want to derail their own thread with /misc/ shit? I mean because the usual reason and the one you’ve done before is that you get btfo and do it’s to cause other people to start arguing so jannies will delete the thread and you can save face.
I'm right. You can keep writing what you want but deep down you know I am correct and nothing you say will change it. To save us both the time I'm blocking you.
The thread was bound to devolve into /misc/ shit sooner or later. This board is obsessed with it.
No, this moron has been spamming this shit since the DLC came out. Every time the thread start not going his way he spams /misc/ shit to get people to argue.
>le kratos destroyed humanity maymay
Nothing in any of the games suggests this
It changes the gameplay of the series into mid shit
There is nothing good in "inproving yourself" if you end up like a caricature millenial söyboy, it's a female trope "tamed out a hooligan"
Peak brainrot. Everything Kratos did after the 1st game was entirely his emotional crybaby tantrum causing shit. I bet you never even played the game.
You're just a balding millennial in glasses who found a "father figure" in nuKratos.
This is your main argument throughout the thread, you claim other people haven't played the games. It was a non-argument the first time and it's a non-argument now.
I love it when secondaries get upset for being called out. Anywhere else you would be called a homosexual for crying about a game you never even played.
Did somebody save the image where Kratos looks on nuKratos and says "homosexual"?
I just dislike spiderman/batman superhero shit after green goblin/joker scaped for the 4th time and killed lot of people by a random grenade aoe
>get called out
>double down so you can pretend you're just a troll and have been just a troll all along
But you're not a troll, you're a desperately flailing moron.
why are we all fighting, lets just be friends guys
This. Let's talk instead about ACTUALLY irredeemable villains
SAR DO NOT REDEEM ME PLEASE SAR I WANT TO STAY EDGY SAR WHAT ARE YOU DOING SAR STOP
>Why does Ganker hate the idea that characters can be redeemed and improve themselves?
People don't hate redemption, people hate poorly written redemption.
the writer of the classic/true God of War games is officially disgusted with the direction the series went with Kratos
My problem with nuGow is the gameplay
"Redemption arc" is a term used mostly positive on here. The phrase has a positive meaning when in general use. You are cherry picking.
Even in this thread nobody is arguing the case you say is common. No one is saying "yes redemption is bad". Your own thread disproves your assumption.
If this confuses you look up what the words general and specific mean and think about them.
4 and every anon in this thread will have their own redemption arc
I hate you.
>just last week I reconnected with my childhood friends that I had ghosted for years
>we're having a night out on new years
I won't mess up again, we're all gonna make it
Kratos is not a character. He's an avatar in a violent spectacle fighter. This new shit is not God of War. It's just more corporate goyslop.
Characters growing and developing is the most acceptable form of story for a video game
But they should have made up a brand new character instead of using Kratos
>make up a new norse character
>unspecified tragic past, living with his son in the woods
>evil god man appears one day, they fight
>blah blah turns out the character was <some norse god or other> the whole time but chose to leave godland or whatever for tragic backstory reasons
Then if you want to do "he goes to egypt and meets kratos" later you can keep the old evil kratos OR show him and reveal that he's become tired and regretful in his old age, without having to shoehorn in that he's basically an entirely different character now
They couldn't do this because it is actually a good idea. Santa Monica has been making only God of War games the past 20 years, they know nothing else. Kratos is one of the most iconic characters, pale ashen skin with red tattoo and almost naked, with two burning chained blades. They needed the crutch of Kratos. Ragnarok is a shit game because it completely ruins him in order for these hack writers to tell their own story, instead of telling the story of Kratos.
>improve themselves
I don't consider being a sentimental wreck who lets others walk all over himself and push him around like a sandbag an improvement
I enjoyed GoW 2018 (though the soft RPG mechanics nearly killed it for me) and got Ragnorak for Christmas.
Is the sequel really as bad as the thread makes it out to be?
Cool strawman. Nu GoW is shit because the gameplay is ass. Incidentally nu Kratos also sucks but mostly because the writers just made a completely different character, slapped Kratos's name on him, and expected you to just accept it because of low effort 'muh son' shit. Maybe if they had actually shown and not told his """redemption""" I might have given a shit.
"muh child" is the laziest and cheapest way to pull a redemption arc.
>Why does Ganker hate the idea that characters can be redeemed and improve themselves?
>Modern Kratos
Frick off! Anybody who really played the games knows Numale Kratos is nothing close to a real redemption version of the original. Just some glorified MCU Thor ripoff
>like character
>character changes
>i dont like character anymore
its not rocket science fricking moronic OP
I hate shitty video games.
God of War is shit.
Honest Hearts is a shit DLC.
Simple as.
How was Kratos improved? You don't get to just make claims like this and not actually provide an argument.
Kratos had a full character arc.
>Acquire revenge
>Realize the reward you got didn't actually satiate you
>Be betrayed by father
>Seek revenge
>Ultimately destroy everything
>Realize that you will never be satisfied, that your curse is to be vengeful and restless all your life
>have a nice day, to allow the world a chance to grow without monsters like you in it
What fricking more do you need?
Muh more mature it grew up you should try to grow up too le be better peak positivity I was in therapy and Kratos needed to have one too it's so awesome!
I know you are being sarcastic but I think this is the unfortunate casualty of representation in media
Saying a character is "just like me" takes away from them being characters. A character is not a real person, because a real person is infinitely more complex and boring than a character will ever be. No story has dialogue that is representative of the way normal people speak, because dialogue is meant to be important and at least 40% of the shit your or I say and think on a given day is useless chaff in whatever overarching narrative we have.
This idea where we need to make characters into people is why most modern characters are so terrible. This doesn't mean I want flat, 2d characters, those are bad too. But let evil characters be evil, let the hero be the hero. Let Kratos be a murderous, vengeful lunatic who reconciles with himself in the most Greek way imaginable (suicide).
Harry Potter isn't a bad character because he can't play guitar. Samwise gamegee isn't a bad character because he can't do calculus, etc. they have limitations because they are characters, humans (ideally) have no such limitation
lol why does anyone unironically ask questions and for opinions about life, philosophy, and whatever on Ganker? What the frick would any psychopathic, subhuman, repulsive, waste of human life here know about anything, nor could tell anyone anything? People on this site have minds on par with 12 year olds, and wish death on others because of things like not being able to see panties in a game. You might as well asks prisoners at a Maximum Security Penitentiary. Or patients in psychiatric wards.
Mainly because I don't trust 2023 corporate writers' idea of "redemption".
Is Kratos the Max Payne of Greco-Roman mythology?