I always hear about how Earthbound is a masterpiece and how mother 3 should be ported to every Nintendo console ever. however there is not as much notoriety.
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for Earthbound Beginnings
Cause its gay.
Wrong, you're gay.
I don't think anyone has played it and if they had shown interest in trying it were turned off by the rumored insane difficulty.
After having played Mother 1 and 2 now I think I like 1 more.
>insane difficulty
This is a very easy NES game (yes, even without hacks). How is it considered to have "insane difficulty"?
not who you were responding to but.
It's insanely difficult in the sense that its a grindfest. You have to spend hours just killing the same thing over and over and over again just to get to the next bit. Like nocturn is easy so long as you do nothing but grind for months,
You get free heals in Magicant. Is Pokemon now "insanely difficult" if you pick Charmander?
I like it. It goes 2 > 1 >>>>>> 3 for me.
3 felt unfinished because it fricking was unfinished and lacked the silliness of 2 and exploration/relatively open world gameplay of 1. It's the worst of both worlds. The only things that it really has going for it for me are the beat system and the spritework. Very well made sprites.
I like both /about/ equally, but 2 edges out simply for nostalgia. My childhood best friend and I both had copies in the 90s and used to moronicly paraphrase it at each other as kids.
His first playthrough, he named all the characters after Popful Mail characters, another game we each had copies of, with the dog being MH for Muttonhead.
Because it's a grindy NES DQ clone. It's not a bad game, but those are certainly qualities it has, if you like/can overlook them.
>Because it's a grindy NES DQ clone
Not OP here but I'm gonna try it since I have nothing better to do anyway and I always wanted to play one of those games
I'll 100% play the SNES game as well
Dragon Quest 1 and 2 had essentially mandatory grinding. I've gotten to the end of Mother 1, met Teddy, with just running and fighting when I need to. To say it's a grindy DQ clone is redundant and isn't a knock at the game.
Two reasons probably. For one, most people probably never played it, but also it's a game that's much more open from the start and probably confusing to many. M2 is much more streamlined and linear.
Also frick desert.
It’s not as quirky and charming as Earthbound and it’s not as emotional as Mother 3. It’s also very hard with its very traditional Dragon Quest gameplay.
It’s still an okay game though.
Basic b***h-ass answer I know, but Earthbound just makes it seem like an alpha build. It's just DQ but zanier and in a contemporary setting. The platform and the developer's imagination at the time limited it. You can't have "video drugs" and soundscapes/music like the SNES. It's not as imaginative and friendly gameplaywise; missing innovations like seeing enemies on the field, advantage/disadvantage/auto-defeat, and rolling HP. It doesn't get as wacky and heady as EB; nothing quite on Moonside's level, the more psychological version of Magicant, or Giygas. It's also just kind of ugly in the overworld and doesn't look that special on NES. EB is hardly a super detailed SNES showpiece but its artstyle is far more realized, and doesn't look like a common game on the machine. That said it's still a decent game, and had most of the best tunes first, but EB just feels like what they always wanted to do with it and more.
>Earthbound just makes it seem like an alpha build.
Mother 1 didn't even have an ending. That only got added for the US localization, and it didn't even get released in the States.
Proof?
Nta but the famicom version of mother only had credits right after beating giegue https://youtu.be/VGmgF20MVsc?t=6727
In the American localization and the Japanese port on the gba it added a little epilogue saying what happened after defeating giegue https://youtu.be/X1ZeAhm3y6A?t=673
>It doesn't get as wacky and heady as EB
That's a good thing, Mother 1 -> EB feels like the jump from PM64 -> TTYD where the developers just went "how do we inject humor and silliness and puns into every sinlge pixel of this game?"
It really isn't that way all the time, and the only one trying too hard is you.
TTYD is a way better game than the og Paper Mario so I agree with his but that it's a good thing.
>Basic b***h-ass answer I know, but Earthbound just makes it seem like an alpha build.
Earthbound Zero is being judged without the pretense of gaining a following of posers from Smash Bros.
>people actually trying to say M1 is better than 2
I don't know what's sicker, having this opinion or espousing it to be contrary. People wouldn't have given a frick about this game if they didn't play Earthbound with good will already established and you damn well know it.
I'm definitely more inclined to value the opinions of contrarians claiming the first game is better than those belonging to the typical Earthbound "fan" when that fanbase is extremely notorious for blowing smoke up the game's ass
No measurable amount of people are like pic related. Most of us just played it and liked it back in its day or emulated it in the early days. Young people are all homosexuals and don't matter anyway.
>hasn't played either
>relying on someone else's opinion
Could you out yourself as more of a zoomer or someone unworthy of a non-casual retro game board? Frick off.
Something that contrarian gays may not know is that the game was highly regarded back during it's day, not just later on. Nintendo Power in particular ran coverage of the game for several months straight and other magazines reviewed it highly too. RPG fans back then all seemed to like it.
Of course they don't. They're just (You) hunting little homosexuals, and probably at least half literal homosexual if statistics are anything to go by.
>hurr I'm a homosexual there's no way Mother 1 can be better than 2
I've explained in detail why already. It had some ideas and songs first but it's a rough draft for what Earthbound would perfect. I'm glad you found your hot new (You) mine. Glad we can discuss things honestly and not everything on this stupid site is a cortisol factory.
Because the modern day suburbia setting is the most interesting thing about the first two games, and the sequel goes in a lot harder on it.
God I love this game. It has a huge ass map with a lot to explore. That game is basically the bbc of the mother series with that map. Second one had to scale the world down and feels like more of a fun house design where you go in one end and come out the other. But it's a more detailed game in many ways so it compensates very well. Third game is just something else which is cool because it really needed to be different after what 2 did.
Because Famicom RPGs make people who think the peak of jRPG gameplay should be "spam attack to win" cry
In other words: filtered
>Why does Earthbound Begenings not as highly regarded as the other earthbound games
Why do zoomers communicate like English is their second language? And why does nobody call OP out on this and act like this broken English is a totally normal way to communicate?
Because some people grew up with EarthBound, nobody "grew up" with a game that was only localized and released literally last year. How developmentally stunted does a person need to be to not even consider this?
2015 was last year?
The game itself is very bad and not even "it was good for the time" can spare it.
>the graphics are bad
>the characters have no development nor relevancy after they join ninten
>hell, ana and lloyd probably have two paragraphs of dialogue at most each and this came out after ff2 so it has no excuse at that
>the gameplay is bad, this came out after dragon Quest 3 and final fantasy and plays worse than both
>like other jrps, debuffs and ailments will fail 90% of the time against random mobs
>the plot has some weird hooks that are never picked up or holes that make no sense, for example, why did a canary and a monkey knew a melody fragment? why one fragment was in a piano?
>the most jarring one is the adults kidnapping in easter, which is only solved until the end but is never hinted or talked about after easter
The only thing it surpasses EB at is probably the plot.
In EBB you are following a series of breadcrumbs that eventually ties up to your grandfather research, while in EB you are Ness and co. traveling around the world so Ness can collect the melodies. Then Ness enters Magicant and get absolutely OP in order to defeat Gygas because Ness is the chosen one. Did I mentioned that Ness is protagonist and when he isn't on screen the other characters ask "where's Ness"?
I think the lesson here is that no one on starmen net was enjoying nes games back in the day and didn't know what the hell they were talking about with the "grindy" and "hard" stuff. Game is so short and easy
I think the issue is going from 2 to 1, which is the trajectory all westerners old enough to take seriously experienced. From that perspective it's hard to see 1 as anything but an inferior, yet interesting, prototype. 1 isn't THAT grindy or difficult, especially the localization, but it is grindier and more difficult than 2 which set the precedent for most of us. It's uglier, less creative, and more barebones overall. This isn't its fault nor does it make it a bad game esp for the time, but 2 is basically being a conceptual remake with tons of improvements.
>which is the trajectory all westerners old enough to take seriously experienced
Eh, if you're old enough to take seriously then you're old enough to know to play a series in order, in which case you only get a pass if you played Earthbound for the first time at some point before the 2003 fan translation of Mother 1. After that you no longer have an excuse for starting with Earthbound.
>you only get a pass if you played Earthbound for the first time at some point before the 2003 fan translation of Mother 1
That's practically a decade window, you fricking moron. It's safe to say that most millennials did just that.
It's not safe to say that at all, because there was comparatively very little homosexual hipster cred to be gained from having played Earthbound in that period compared to after. If you think even 10% of the total number of westerners to have ever played that game played it before 2005, then you're a huge moron.
>little homosexual hipster cred to be gained from having played Earthbound in that period compared to after
Ah, you're trolling. Should've realized.
Everyone playing this was emulating these games on their computers or phones for over a decade. This game was ALWAYS considered broken and unplayable unless you patched the rom with the easy ring hack. Since everyone was emulating anyway, this was considered completely normal. The earthbound community was not into famicom rpgs outside of this one single game. Very few even took this game seriously at all. Most of the community were children in fact. I bet more children grew up playing earthbound in the past two decades than they did in the actual 90s.
>This game was ALWAYS considered broken and unplayable unless you patched the rom with the easy ring hack
I literally beat it in 20 min intervals on the Switch while taking my morning shits. It's a children's jarpig, it's not hard.
You're absolutely correct, people just didn't know what they were talking about back then
>people just didn't know what they were talking about back then
A kind of consciousness formed layer by layer in the crucible of Ganker's vidya boards. It's not unlike the way life started in the oceans four billion years ago. The vidya boards were our primordial soup, a base of evolution -- We are formless. We are the very discipline and morality that casuals invoke so often. How can anyone hope to eliminate us? As long as this imageboard exists, so will we.
Hi, I'm giving you the attention you're begging for.
>people just didn't know what they were talking about back then
The sheer blindness to your own irony is stagggering.
What do you mean
>It's not unlike the way life started in the oceans four billion years ago.
Oh dear. You're one of /those/.
Sweetheart, life and all of creation was sneezed out of the nose of The Great Green Arkleseiure.
>muh echochamber assured me the children's game was impossible
Yeah that's why everyone used the easy ring
>everyone
Anon, are you admitting you're a homosexual?
I just know for a fact that everyone was using the easy ring for many years
>for a fact
You're misusing that phrase. Also, only homosexuals that don't know how to play a fricking RPG (the easiest of genres) use that.
>(the easiest of genres)
Just because you can effectively create your own difficulty level by bashing your head against Goblins for hours at a time to level up doesn't mean it's fundamentally easy. Outside of DQ1 and 2, the entire genre works on the assumption that you're just going from dungeon to dungeon just fighting whatever comes your way. If you grind even once you admit that your skill level is insufficient.
Mother 1 has Pokemon-tier difficulty (it even has free healing in it via Magicant). Are you admitting to not being able to beat a Pokemon game?
Mother 1 is substantially harder than Pokemon, which is substantially easier than EB. You're just a lazy boring shitposter.
I do know it for a fact because I saw it on the forums where this game was discussed. You remember forums I'm sure. I'm not really arguing whether it's right or not to use easy hacks but go for it dude
>taking 20 minute shits
>not shitting 4 times a day in 5-10 minute intervals
>FOUR times a day
IBS, not even once.
>IBS-C enters the chat
Mein brother in suffering!
WHO?
i dont know how anyone could say this game isnt hard. no, theres not a ton of strategy involved to win, but you do have to fight a ton of random battles which are very time consuming to a degree that i dont think most people who didnt grow up with these kinds of games would enjoy at this point. and theres a lot of multi enemy battles and you have to watch every one spawn in and have its own entrance message. in earthbound you can more or less just play through the game at your leisure without fighting tons of extra battles (except for the very beginning where you need to level up). if you want more that kind of experience you can just use the patch that doubles money/xp and saves you many hours of your life
Having to occasionally grind doesn't make a game hard. You're calling Pokemon hard, which it obviously isn't.
You must suck at rpgs if you have to grind in fricking pokemon
That's the point, Archimedes.
you have to understand that the bread and butter of mother fans is completely surrounded by 3 games and their memories