Learn you read you homosexual you said "revisiting the region" and BB is in Unova and its the same Unova since there's a ton of references in there to the BW games. You dont need it to be the same location to be a REvisit to the region in general you moron
2 months ago
Anonymous
That isn't revisiting. Your using the term incorrectly just like the homosexual in OPs pic.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>"Revisit the region" >B-but I meant a specific area in that region!!
Because they’re embarrassed of Johto. Johto is the Wacky Deli of Pokémon. Game Freak didnt want to do Pokémon anymore so they designed Johto it to be a boring hick region who’s only contribution to that Pokemon world is being a backyard to Kanto, and designed the Johto Pokémon to be lame underwhelming “scrimbos” that one could possible like with bland nobodies for starters. But Johtoddlers were so moronic and taste-deficient they actually liked it. Game Freak has been trying to make it clear that they consider Johto a tumor on the franchise but Johtoddlers are incapable of reading a room
Because they associate Johto with the fall of Pokemania, which is directly proven by how quickly intrigue in the Pokemon anime nosedived with the Orange Islands, seemed like it would recover with Johto, only to plummet yet again thanks to the executive meddling that completely fricked up the GS Ball's arc and payoff.
They also dislike Johto because it's a sign of weakness when they caved into Pokemania's western needs, Pokemon 2 was originally going to be a grand adventure across ALL of Japan until they realized how badly that would alienate their new audience of gaijins.
Thus, they dialed it back to Kanto's country hick brother, and suffered immensely for it.
Because they associate Johto with the fall of Pokemania, which is directly proven by how quickly intrigue in the Pokemon anime nosedived with the Orange Islands, seemed like it would recover with Johto, only to plummet yet again thanks to the executive meddling that completely fricked up the GS Ball's arc and payoff.
They also dislike Johto because it's a sign of weakness when they caved into Pokemania's western needs, Pokemon 2 was originally going to be a grand adventure across ALL of Japan until they realized how badly that would alienate their new audience of gaijins.
Thus, they dialed it back to Kanto's country hick brother, and suffered immensely for it.
>Pokemon 2 was originally going to be a grand adventure across ALL of Japan until they realized how badly that would alienate their new audience of gaijins. >they dialed it back to Kanto's country hick brother, and suffered immensely for it.
are you kidding? trying to stuff all of Japan in there would have been a dumpster fire, they could barely fit Kanto in as it was and they had butcher it to do so. they would have to really compress everything to achieve that scope, it wouldn't have felt like a grand adventure at all. what they ended up doing was the best decision, for all of Johto's faults, the region isn't one of them, it's generally looked at very fondly and the addition of Kanto is one of the most memorable things in the series, to the point that you still have people today who want a second region included in a game. And that's with the already cut down Kanto, if the scope was any bigger Kanto would only get like 2 routes.
Pokemania also forced them to rush Pokemon 2's development rather than giving it time to cook properly, because they HAD to keep the sequel hype going before some other fad stole western attention away from Pokemon.
You say it would've been disastrous, but you don't know what would have happened if they were given leeway and more support from Nintendo.
>Pokemania also forced them to rush Pokemon 2's development rather than giving it time to cook properly
But didnt they already delay GS? it's not like they can just infinitely delay a game. Them "dialing back" seems less about trying catch the sequel hype and more about being able to make the game at all. The idea that what we got was can even be considered 'dialing back" implies that the beta had more content which can't be proven and likely wasn't the case. Considering the Beta had KANTOOOOOO as only a single city the the beta, it seemed every region of japan would have been similarly condensed, making it less a "grand adventure" and more of a rushed tour.
If Game Freak truly hates Johto and blames it for the fall of Pokemania (despite Pokemania bout due to Orange Islands being lame, and fads naturally dying) then Game Freak genuinely doesn't deserve this franchise
>Pokemon 2 was originally going to be a grand adventure across ALL of Japan until they realized how badly that would alienate their new audience of gaijins >a game based on japan will alienate westerners somehow but its ok if its based on only part of japan
they should have never closed the sanitariums you're a dangerous psycho
Despite what the pasta-spamming schizo tries to push : it's likely because Gen 2 is still considered to be the PEAK of the franchise
Also, doing jotho again means doing Kanto as well and they can't be bothered
They might give you a shitty BDSP-tier """"remake"""" of HGSS one day, though
>Also, doing jotho again means doing Kanto as well and they can't be bothered
They can just do a Johto Legends Game. The Legends series already set the precedent for having different map structure so the exclusion of Kanto woudnt be a problem.
they did too good of a job on it with the first remake.
Plus it's the only games that basically necessitate 2 regions being included or else people would riot and they're too lazy to do that.
That's not gameplay. Why couldn't they just fix Johto's flaws and or improve upon what Crystal did instead of bloating the game with shitty mindless mini games
More effort
If they do johto they need kanto and then at that point they could just make red and blue
>Plus it's the only games that basically necessitate 2 regions being included
They released a Hoenn remake without the battle frontier, a Sinnoh remake without the distortion world, and every single KANTOOOOO game erases Johto from existence and fans ate those up.
They could unironically pull a SS aqua project has started and as long as they jack up the levels of and give bird boy a Hoohoot, give Soon-to-be-Sneed a Hitmontop, and put Houndoomerino one tile before the Elite 4, normies will eat it up. And if they want to appease actual Johto fans, give the Johto starters massive movepoll buffs and overpowered shill super saiyan forms.
Though HGSS already exists and the only region to get more than 1 proper remake is KANTOOOOO because GenWun, so it would make more sense for Johto to get a legend games instead
>They released a Hoenn remake without the battle frontier, a Sinnoh remake without the distortion world, and every single KANTOOOOO game erases Johto
none of these are comparable to Johto without Kanto.
Considering how Johto is hated for being KANTOOOOOO's Backyard, and all of Johto's flaws are GSC being sequels because it was before Game Freak knew how to handle new generations. A Johto game without Kanto would be an objective improvement (provided they use common sense and make the Gen 2 Pokemon more common and adjust the levels and story accordingly).
>Gold, Silver and Crystal are met with critical acclaim upon release >HeartGold and SoulSilver are considered one of the best games, if not the best games, in the franchise
There's no reason to revisit Johto because it stands as the peak of the franchise. Nu-Gamefreak is also ill-equipped to tackle another Johto game and would probably just give it the "Let's Go!" treatment. Meanwhile, Kalos got its third game axed and was left blatantly unfinished. >inb4 seething zoomers try to re-write history by citing youtube video essays
and SoulSilver are considered one of the best games, if not the best games, in the franchise
Nobody thought this. Frick off with your zoomer revisionism.
>Nobody thought this >Many people cite HeartGold/SoulSilver as their favorite Pokemon games, possibly due to nostalgia, but also possibly because the game is just that good.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/989552-pokemon-black-version/68536930
2014. 5 years after HGSS
johto nostalgia is dying.
for all the whinging that johto haters haven't played the games, people not playing the games is the only reason they were able to hold the position as the best. when the discourse is split between "people who played it as kids" and "people who haven't played it at all" you're going to see a skewed consensus. but now that's changing.
>people not playing the games is the only reason they were able to hold the position as the best.
Yeah, that's why Johto was liked when it was new and people were actually playing them, only becoming despised after being neglected for nearly 2 decades.
shut the frick up.
>GSC released, considered generally underwhelming >HGSS released about a decade later, nostalgia for GSC in full force, HGSS get wanked >nostalgia for GSC dies out but nostalgia for HGSS remains, HGSS considered perfect remakes and improvements over the original in every way >HGSS nostalgia dies down, everyone realizes johto has been shit in all its incarnations
it's always been nostalgia
johtogays have been mindbroken by a youtube video for years, the guy who made it jokingly tweeted that whitney didn't have a miltank in GSC, so now the few morons who fell for it is sufficient evidence that every single person who criticizes johto didn't play the game and is just parroting that one specific video
Took a bit to find it, credit man went to the effort of opening photoshop for the bit.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Thanks, man. So he made a vid criticizing GSC and then made this tweet, and people who hate Johto fell for it or? Sorry,
johtogays have been mindbroken by a youtube video for years, the guy who made it jokingly tweeted that whitney didn't have a miltank in GSC, so now the few morons who fell for it is sufficient evidence that every single person who criticizes johto didn't play the game and is just parroting that one specific video
has me fricked up on the order of events.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>So he made a vid criticizing GSC and then made this tweet, and people who hate Johto fell for it or
yes
>it's bad because it just is! I haven't even heard of the game in almost 20 years and I'm getting all my info about it secondhand by someone who has to cheat on nuzlockes, but dude trust me, Gen 2 is the worst!
you can do this for hoenn too, but with slightly different progression >RSE released, considered a step down from gen 2 >a decade passes, RSE nostalgia prevails and hoenn is considered the peak of the franchise >ORAS releases, in a good position to be fellated as much as HGSS but a vocal minority throws a shitfit over MUH BATTLE FRONTIER and the dominant narrative is that ORAS are the worst remakes (this is also during the HGSS wank era, which contributes to ORAS's bad reputation) >another decade has almost passed, nostalgia for RSE is fading and the games are seen as outdated, though some diehard fans try to cling to relevancy. public opinion on ORAS has shifted, people see them as underrated. some even say they're the best remakes.
>B2W2
B2W2 were the start of the decline, they only exist because Masuda compromised the artistic integrity of BW (his magmun opus) to appease Genwunners who were throwing their feces like rabid baboons because Unova had only Unova Pokemon (a decision Game Freak made so that the Unova dex could stand alone and be respected as the icons they are instead of being forgettable milktoast filler like the literal whos of Johto's dex).
That’s makes the treatment of Gen 2 Pokémon even worse then. Rather than accept that people apparently like the Gen 2 Pokémon and capitalize on their popularity they continue to treat them like KANTOOOOO’s leftovers and actively sabotage them.
You are aware that b2w2 wasn't a literal 1-1 copy of BW but with ratatta in the encounter tables, right? Or are you just pretending the new story that continues where BW left off, expanded region, new and redesigned gyms, new battle facilities, better postgame, and level curve that allows you to actually use the entire unova dex in the story without being grossly overleveled don't exist because you're mindbroken by kingler?
90% of the game is a lazy copy/paste of BW
no, locking basic shit like breeding and fossils to the postgame so you can gloat about how much postgame the game has doesn’t magically make the game better.
> and level curve that allows you to actually use the entire unova dex in the story without being grossly overleveled
every single time I’ve played BW2 I’ve been grossly overleveled
>90% of the game is a lazy copy/paste of BW
it's more distinct than any enhanced version >no, locking basic shit like breeding and fossils to the postgame so you can gloat about how much postgame the game has doesn’t magically make the game better.
yeah i was definitely talking about that and not the two extra battle facilities, new repeatable postgame battles, added legendary events, and the nature preserve >every single time I’ve played BW2 I’ve been grossly overleveled
i'll admit i confused iris's normal mode levels with her challenge mode levels but even with the final boss's ace only being level 59 every evolution line except hydreigon can fully evolve before outleveling iris's haxorus (and the only pokemon that would evolve at that level is obtained fully evolved at level 35 anyways
i don't really care if you intentionally grind your team so you can outlevel everything and complain about the game being "too easy"
>Objectively, BW and B2W2 are the greatest pokémon games and gen 5 is the greatest generation
How is this related to the thread? What is it with Unovagays always feeling the need to start genwars out of nowhere? Is it insecurity from their games being shit?
>Blueberry: takes place in Unova
counts as a revisit >Kitakami doesn't take in in Johto
does not count as a revisit
simple as >b-but Johto shitters sh-
invasive pests from KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO have overtaken every single corner of the fricking pokemon world (except Unova in BW until homosexuals complained because they couldn't use CHARIZARD) does that mean every single game is a revisit of KANTOOOOOOOO?
they hate sinnoh >no variants or crossgen shit of any kind >sideline the sinnoh starters and other pokemon for other regions in pla >make dialga and palkia even uglier with their origin forms >pawned off the remakes to an external dev
>>no variants
Sinnoh was too new for variants during Alola and Galar, and Hisui IS Sinnoh so Sinnoh Pokemon can't get forms. IF Sinnoh still doesn't get more forms in PLZA or the game after then this wouls make sense, But anyway variants aren't the best example anyway becuase theyre not shilling the Pokemon direcely, A better example would be megas and Sinnoh got just as many as Johto. >or crossgen shit of any kind
Most Sinnoh Pokmeon are either too strong or cross evos themselves
the sinnoh starters and other pokemon for other regions in pla
No sinnoh Pokemon were actually "Sidelined" except for maybe the starters and they were already starters in BDSP and even then, the Hisui Starters got frick all shilling. >>make dialga and palkia even uglier with their origin forms
fair
off the remakes to an external dev
Because it got Legends
With the shilling the sinnoh starters get, Sinnoh having almost as many shillmons as KANTOOOOO, and Cynthia being allowed to be as strong as Red from KANTOOOOOOOOOO, and even referred to as the "ultimate region" by Game Freak, its clearly one of Game Freak's most favored regions. The only ones they blatantly love more are KANTOOOOOOOOOO because KANTOOOOOOO and Hoeen because it got to be the Mega region. Sinnoh either 3rd or tied for 3rd with Unova ("magnum opus")
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think people who revere HGSS and people who have no faith in Gamefreak overlap near perfectly. After ORAS, LGPE and especially BDSP, a remake by modern GF would be full of cut content, look horrible and just be plain lacking.
That's why you didn't see people clamoring for BW remakes after BDSP, if anything I think Johto not getting any attention is a good thing, I don't want those fricks tarnishing Johto. Modern Gamefreak likely avoids Gen 2 because a game with two regions, rematches and a battle frontier would be far too much work for them anyways.
Johto got two separate revisits in 2017 and 2018 via VC which even had promotional trailers. And then there's Kitakami which gives you not only majority of Johto mons, feel but even Johto music. This region got more than enough love over the last few years . Lets not forget all the forms and evos for gen 2 mons between Legends Arceus and Indigo Disk
Because you can't release a Johto game without its Kanto post game, which means a new Johto game would have MUCH more content than game freak are now willing to put in their games.
They had the exact same problem with Sinnoh which is in itself almost like two regions in size with all the content it has. That's why all we got was a broken, rushed port that reused code from the originals and doesn't even have everything, and a spinoff that is a completely different thing and doesn't have even half the content of DPPt.
Chances are when Johto does get something it will also be one of these two things, or both. There is absolutely no way modern game freak is recreating two entire regions' worth of content from scratch
they poured all their love into HGSS and there's no need to revisit it because it's already perfect.
Why is HGSS such a lazy cash grab though?
Except HGSS was shit and did nothing to improve Johto.
holy cope and yet people will sperg about borts not getting unova remakes while the same thing applies to johtoddlers
Fippedy bippedy
Even GF in all their stupidity know they will never be able to top it
Johto
Unova (no one counts SV DLC as actually revisiting the region. That's moronic)
Hoenn
Alola
Kanto
Galar
Sinnoh
Paldea
Kalos
>Unova (no one counts SV DLC as actually revisiting the region. That's moronic)
It's on the borderline. You're technically revisiting the Unova region but not a location featured previously.
It's not a part of the Unova that people have visited in BW or the sequels so it absolutely is not a revisit in any capacity.
It's in Unova so it's a revisit cope more that's all you get Unovabort
That's not a revisit you fricking moron. If you are not visiting the same places, it's not a REvisit.
Learn you read you homosexual you said "revisiting the region" and BB is in Unova and its the same Unova since there's a ton of references in there to the BW games. You dont need it to be the same location to be a REvisit to the region in general you moron
That isn't revisiting. Your using the term incorrectly just like the homosexual in OPs pic.
>"Revisit the region"
>B-but I meant a specific area in that region!!
Keep moving those goal posts
stop feeding the troll
stop feeding the troll
>You get to look at Unova but not actually go there
You never went there then.
Stop being such a disingenuous piece of shit.
Because they’re embarrassed of Johto. Johto is the Wacky Deli of Pokémon. Game Freak didnt want to do Pokémon anymore so they designed Johto it to be a boring hick region who’s only contribution to that Pokemon world is being a backyard to Kanto, and designed the Johto Pokémon to be lame underwhelming “scrimbos” that one could possible like with bland nobodies for starters. But Johtoddlers were so moronic and taste-deficient they actually liked it. Game Freak has been trying to make it clear that they consider Johto a tumor on the franchise but Johtoddlers are incapable of reading a room
These.
This was a thread here less than 24 hours ago please have a nice day
Because they associate Johto with the fall of Pokemania, which is directly proven by how quickly intrigue in the Pokemon anime nosedived with the Orange Islands, seemed like it would recover with Johto, only to plummet yet again thanks to the executive meddling that completely fricked up the GS Ball's arc and payoff.
They also dislike Johto because it's a sign of weakness when they caved into Pokemania's western needs, Pokemon 2 was originally going to be a grand adventure across ALL of Japan until they realized how badly that would alienate their new audience of gaijins.
Thus, they dialed it back to Kanto's country hick brother, and suffered immensely for it.
>Pokemon 2 was originally going to be a grand adventure across ALL of Japan until they realized how badly that would alienate their new audience of gaijins.
>they dialed it back to Kanto's country hick brother, and suffered immensely for it.
are you kidding? trying to stuff all of Japan in there would have been a dumpster fire, they could barely fit Kanto in as it was and they had butcher it to do so. they would have to really compress everything to achieve that scope, it wouldn't have felt like a grand adventure at all. what they ended up doing was the best decision, for all of Johto's faults, the region isn't one of them, it's generally looked at very fondly and the addition of Kanto is one of the most memorable things in the series, to the point that you still have people today who want a second region included in a game. And that's with the already cut down Kanto, if the scope was any bigger Kanto would only get like 2 routes.
Pokemania also forced them to rush Pokemon 2's development rather than giving it time to cook properly, because they HAD to keep the sequel hype going before some other fad stole western attention away from Pokemon.
You say it would've been disastrous, but you don't know what would have happened if they were given leeway and more support from Nintendo.
>Pokemania also forced them to rush Pokemon 2's development rather than giving it time to cook properly
But didnt they already delay GS? it's not like they can just infinitely delay a game. Them "dialing back" seems less about trying catch the sequel hype and more about being able to make the game at all. The idea that what we got was can even be considered 'dialing back" implies that the beta had more content which can't be proven and likely wasn't the case. Considering the Beta had KANTOOOOOO as only a single city the the beta, it seemed every region of japan would have been similarly condensed, making it less a "grand adventure" and more of a rushed tour.
If Game Freak truly hates Johto and blames it for the fall of Pokemania (despite Pokemania bout due to Orange Islands being lame, and fads naturally dying) then Game Freak genuinely doesn't deserve this franchise
>Pokemon 2 was originally going to be a grand adventure across ALL of Japan until they realized how badly that would alienate their new audience of gaijins
>a game based on japan will alienate westerners somehow but its ok if its based on only part of japan
they should have never closed the sanitariums you're a dangerous psycho
>open thread about Johto
>backyard
>Pokemania
>toddlers
>close thread
Katakami. Moron.
Because it's that standard all other games are judged by.
Despite what the pasta-spamming schizo tries to push : it's likely because Gen 2 is still considered to be the PEAK of the franchise
Also, doing jotho again means doing Kanto as well and they can't be bothered
They might give you a shitty BDSP-tier """"remake"""" of HGSS one day, though
>Gen 2 is still considered to be the PEAK of the franchise
That's gen 5
Epic bait
>Also, doing jotho again means doing Kanto as well and they can't be bothered
They can just do a Johto Legends Game. The Legends series already set the precedent for having different map structure so the exclusion of Kanto woudnt be a problem.
Game Freak doesn't treat Gen 2 like the peak
they did too good of a job on it with the first remake.
Plus it's the only games that basically necessitate 2 regions being included or else people would riot and they're too lazy to do that.
>Mini games are considered gameplay elements
>gameplay is considered gameplay
yes
That's not gameplay. Why couldn't they just fix Johto's flaws and or improve upon what Crystal did instead of bloating the game with shitty mindless mini games
>Plus it's the only games that basically necessitate 2 regions being included
They released a Hoenn remake without the battle frontier, a Sinnoh remake without the distortion world, and every single KANTOOOOO game erases Johto from existence and fans ate those up.
They could unironically pull a SS aqua project has started and as long as they jack up the levels of and give bird boy a Hoohoot, give Soon-to-be-Sneed a Hitmontop, and put Houndoomerino one tile before the Elite 4, normies will eat it up. And if they want to appease actual Johto fans, give the Johto starters massive movepoll buffs and overpowered shill super saiyan forms.
Though HGSS already exists and the only region to get more than 1 proper remake is KANTOOOOO because GenWun, so it would make more sense for Johto to get a legend games instead
>They released a Hoenn remake without the battle frontier, a Sinnoh remake without the distortion world, and every single KANTOOOOO game erases Johto
none of these are comparable to Johto without Kanto.
Considering how Johto is hated for being KANTOOOOOO's Backyard, and all of Johto's flaws are GSC being sequels because it was before Game Freak knew how to handle new generations. A Johto game without Kanto would be an objective improvement (provided they use common sense and make the Gen 2 Pokemon more common and adjust the levels and story accordingly).
they don't, stop spamming
>Gold, Silver and Crystal are met with critical acclaim upon release
>HeartGold and SoulSilver are considered one of the best games, if not the best games, in the franchise
There's no reason to revisit Johto because it stands as the peak of the franchise. Nu-Gamefreak is also ill-equipped to tackle another Johto game and would probably just give it the "Let's Go!" treatment. Meanwhile, Kalos got its third game axed and was left blatantly unfinished.
>inb4 seething zoomers try to re-write history by citing youtube video essays
It's crazy how menacing they look while the only threatening opponents were Whitney and Clair
and SoulSilver are considered one of the best games, if not the best games, in the franchise
Nobody thought this. Frick off with your zoomer revisionism.
>Nobody thought this
>Many people cite HeartGold/SoulSilver as their favorite Pokemon games, possibly due to nostalgia, but also possibly because the game is just that good.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/989552-pokemon-black-version/68536930
2014. 5 years after HGSS
See the poll, also
>Literal who on gamefaqs.
Lmao
the second reply mentions the fricking level curve
and this was 10 years ago
not a good look for HGSS
>scizor
>mamoswine
erm actually
johto nostalgia is dying.
for all the whinging that johto haters haven't played the games, people not playing the games is the only reason they were able to hold the position as the best. when the discourse is split between "people who played it as kids" and "people who haven't played it at all" you're going to see a skewed consensus. but now that's changing.
>people not playing the games is the only reason they were able to hold the position as the best.
Yeah, that's why Johto was liked when it was new and people were actually playing them, only becoming despised after being neglected for nearly 2 decades.
shut the frick up.
>GSC released, considered generally underwhelming
>HGSS released about a decade later, nostalgia for GSC in full force, HGSS get wanked
>nostalgia for GSC dies out but nostalgia for HGSS remains, HGSS considered perfect remakes and improvements over the original in every way
>HGSS nostalgia dies down, everyone realizes johto has been shit in all its incarnations
it's always been nostalgia
>>GSC released, considered generally underwhelming
I'm so fricking tired of fanfictions
>b-b-b-b-ut pokemania
FADS NATURALLY DIE, Black person
>>GSC released, considered generally underwhelming
you have to be 18 to post here
>GSC released, considered generally underwhelming
bad bait
>She didn't use Miltank in the original
What the frick is this guy talking about?
johtogays have been mindbroken by a youtube video for years, the guy who made it jokingly tweeted that whitney didn't have a miltank in GSC, so now the few morons who fell for it is sufficient evidence that every single person who criticizes johto didn't play the game and is just parroting that one specific video
He got gaslit by a youtuber shitposting.
Can I see? The post or video or whatever it was.
Took a bit to find it, credit man went to the effort of opening photoshop for the bit.
Thanks, man. So he made a vid criticizing GSC and then made this tweet, and people who hate Johto fell for it or? Sorry,
has me fricked up on the order of events.
>So he made a vid criticizing GSC and then made this tweet, and people who hate Johto fell for it or
yes
You frickin wish
>it's bad because it just is! I haven't even heard of the game in almost 20 years and I'm getting all my info about it secondhand by someone who has to cheat on nuzlockes, but dude trust me, Gen 2 is the worst!
It's a shitty region with no identity outside of shitmons and KANTO's back yard.
you can do this for hoenn too, but with slightly different progression
>RSE released, considered a step down from gen 2
>a decade passes, RSE nostalgia prevails and hoenn is considered the peak of the franchise
>ORAS releases, in a good position to be fellated as much as HGSS but a vocal minority throws a shitfit over MUH BATTLE FRONTIER and the dominant narrative is that ORAS are the worst remakes (this is also during the HGSS wank era, which contributes to ORAS's bad reputation)
>another decade has almost passed, nostalgia for RSE is fading and the games are seen as outdated, though some diehard fans try to cling to relevancy. public opinion on ORAS has shifted, people see them as underrated. some even say they're the best remakes.
>Except HGSS was shit and did nothing to improve Johto.
>It's a shitty region with no identity outside of shitmons and KANTO's back yard.
Objectively, gen 2 and its remakes are the worst pokémon games ever made.
Objectively, BW and B2W2 are the greatest pokémon games and gen 5 is the greatest generation.
>B2W2
B2W2 were the start of the decline, they only exist because Masuda compromised the artistic integrity of BW (his magmun opus) to appease Genwunners who were throwing their feces like rabid baboons because Unova had only Unova Pokemon (a decision Game Freak made so that the Unova dex could stand alone and be respected as the icons they are instead of being forgettable milktoast filler like the literal whos of Johto's dex).
To this day, the Gen5 dex is still considered one of the ugliest while Jotho Pokémon have plenty of fans, even the shitmon
BW is a good game, but the pokédex being fugly truly fricked it over
That’s makes the treatment of Gen 2 Pokémon even worse then. Rather than accept that people apparently like the Gen 2 Pokémon and capitalize on their popularity they continue to treat them like KANTOOOOO’s leftovers and actively sabotage them.
You are aware that b2w2 wasn't a literal 1-1 copy of BW but with ratatta in the encounter tables, right? Or are you just pretending the new story that continues where BW left off, expanded region, new and redesigned gyms, new battle facilities, better postgame, and level curve that allows you to actually use the entire unova dex in the story without being grossly overleveled don't exist because you're mindbroken by kingler?
90% of the game is a lazy copy/paste of BW
no, locking basic shit like breeding and fossils to the postgame so you can gloat about how much postgame the game has doesn’t magically make the game better.
> and level curve that allows you to actually use the entire unova dex in the story without being grossly overleveled
every single time I’ve played BW2 I’ve been grossly overleveled
>90% of the game is a lazy copy/paste of BW
it's more distinct than any enhanced version
>no, locking basic shit like breeding and fossils to the postgame so you can gloat about how much postgame the game has doesn’t magically make the game better.
yeah i was definitely talking about that and not the two extra battle facilities, new repeatable postgame battles, added legendary events, and the nature preserve
>every single time I’ve played BW2 I’ve been grossly overleveled
i'll admit i confused iris's normal mode levels with her challenge mode levels but even with the final boss's ace only being level 59 every evolution line except hydreigon can fully evolve before outleveling iris's haxorus (and the only pokemon that would evolve at that level is obtained fully evolved at level 35 anyways
i don't really care if you intentionally grind your team so you can outlevel everything and complain about the game being "too easy"
>Objectively, BW and B2W2 are the greatest pokémon games and gen 5 is the greatest generation
How is this related to the thread? What is it with Unovagays always feeling the need to start genwars out of nowhere? Is it insecurity from their games being shit?
There's nothing to do in Johto. It's really small and barren, that's why Kanto was added as a crutch
>There's nothing to do in Johto. It's really small and barren, that's why Kanto was added as a crutch
At least post Blastoise, he's my favorite Kanto starter
>feraligatr
I thought you hated johto, tard
I don't hate it, I just think it's kinda meh. And I can think that while loving my boy Feraligatr
There’s nothing left to do with Johto.
Kanto only got another remake because of Pokémon Go which lost its luster.
>OP made a thread about a tweet which is just the copy paste of a thread from yesterday
https://arch.b4k.co/vp/thread/55682306/#55682306
More effort
If they do johto they need kanto and then at that point they could just make red and blue
If Blueberry counts for Unova then Kitakami should count for Johto since so many Johto shitters showed up there it must be right next door.
>Blueberry: takes place in Unova
counts as a revisit
>Kitakami doesn't take in in Johto
does not count as a revisit
simple as
>b-but Johto shitters sh-
invasive pests from KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO have overtaken every single corner of the fricking pokemon world (except Unova in BW until homosexuals complained because they couldn't use CHARIZARD) does that mean every single game is a revisit of KANTOOOOOOOO?
Johto games mean remaking kanto also, no other gen suffers the problem of having two regions in the base game
they hate sinnoh
>no variants or crossgen shit of any kind
>sideline the sinnoh starters and other pokemon for other regions in pla
>make dialga and palkia even uglier with their origin forms
>pawned off the remakes to an external dev
>>no variants
Sinnoh was too new for variants during Alola and Galar, and Hisui IS Sinnoh so Sinnoh Pokemon can't get forms. IF Sinnoh still doesn't get more forms in PLZA or the game after then this wouls make sense, But anyway variants aren't the best example anyway becuase theyre not shilling the Pokemon direcely, A better example would be megas and Sinnoh got just as many as Johto.
>or crossgen shit of any kind
Most Sinnoh Pokmeon are either too strong or cross evos themselves
the sinnoh starters and other pokemon for other regions in pla
No sinnoh Pokemon were actually "Sidelined" except for maybe the starters and they were already starters in BDSP and even then, the Hisui Starters got frick all shilling.
>>make dialga and palkia even uglier with their origin forms
fair
off the remakes to an external dev
Because it got Legends
With the shilling the sinnoh starters get, Sinnoh having almost as many shillmons as KANTOOOOO, and Cynthia being allowed to be as strong as Red from KANTOOOOOOOOOO, and even referred to as the "ultimate region" by Game Freak, its clearly one of Game Freak's most favored regions. The only ones they blatantly love more are KANTOOOOOOOOOO because KANTOOOOOOO and Hoeen because it got to be the Mega region. Sinnoh either 3rd or tied for 3rd with Unova ("magnum opus")
The only region that they actively hate is Johto.
What? Sinnoh is arguably the most pandered to after Kanto (Not that i'm complaining as a Sinnohgay)
>Last visit to Unova: 2023
that hardly counts. it’s just a random never before seen place that happens to be geographically located near unova.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think people who revere HGSS and people who have no faith in Gamefreak overlap near perfectly. After ORAS, LGPE and especially BDSP, a remake by modern GF would be full of cut content, look horrible and just be plain lacking.
That's why you didn't see people clamoring for BW remakes after BDSP, if anything I think Johto not getting any attention is a good thing, I don't want those fricks tarnishing Johto. Modern Gamefreak likely avoids Gen 2 because a game with two regions, rematches and a battle frontier would be far too much work for them anyways.
they just copied the frontier from platinum
Yeah, we wouldn’t want them to cut the Battle Frontier from BW.
Johto got two separate revisits in 2017 and 2018 via VC which even had promotional trailers. And then there's Kitakami which gives you not only majority of Johto mons, feel but even Johto music. This region got more than enough love over the last few years . Lets not forget all the forms and evos for gen 2 mons between Legends Arceus and Indigo Disk
Lets go wooper/togepi are coming soon.
Because you can't release a Johto game without its Kanto post game, which means a new Johto game would have MUCH more content than game freak are now willing to put in their games.
They had the exact same problem with Sinnoh which is in itself almost like two regions in size with all the content it has. That's why all we got was a broken, rushed port that reused code from the originals and doesn't even have everything, and a spinoff that is a completely different thing and doesn't have even half the content of DPPt.
Chances are when Johto does get something it will also be one of these two things, or both. There is absolutely no way modern game freak is recreating two entire regions' worth of content from scratch
They're gonna make an out-sourced faithful HGSS remake using BDSP assets for 2024
>Find out Slugma was a Gen 2 instead if Gen 3
>Oh how did I miss that, where is it?
>Halfway through Kanto
Hmmmmmmmm
SLUGMA BALLS
>Johto gets nothing
Overqwil
Sneasler
Hisuian Typhlosion
Ursaluna
Wyrdeer
Kleavor
Hisuian Arcanine
Hisuian Electrode
>but Ka-
Every Kanto win is a Johto win
>Every Kanto win is a Johto win
>last visit
>2025
Schitzooooo