Why does GW hate the iron hands so much?
They literally haven't done anything relevant since the end of the horus heresy
Why does GW hate the iron hands so much?
Why does GW hate the iron hands so much?
They literally haven't done anything relevant since the end of the horus heresy
Because they suck ass and they’re convinced everyone around them is a worthless weakling because they don’t want to acknowledge their own weakness. I hate them too.
They hold weakness in contempt and that's all BL authors have.
They already have loyalist black painted space marines, and the cyborg fans the mechanics better.
They're boring Iron Warriors. There's not much to do with them. Hypothetically they're a great legion to explore concepts of loss and how it has become a twisted mockery of their original themes and their sire's intentions but autism means the only people who like them are lame morons who don't get that part and ge ahead of themselves with the flesh is weak.
What even is the theme of the Iron Hands? Ultras are Romans, White Scars are Mongols, Space Wolves are Norse etc. What are the Iron Hands supposed to be?
Highland Scots
>UM are Roman
>from Macragge
>IH are Scots
>from Medusa
Bruh
Edinburgh used to be called the Athens of the North.
They have cyber limbs. That's it.
Because they fricking suck ass. Even their successors suck. They suck so bad they had a civil war to see who sucked the least and kicked out the ones who sucked the most and they still fricking suck
They're only relevant because Ferrus Manus fricked Fulgrim's bussy. nothing more and nothing less
>Why does GW hate the iron hands so much?
They don't.
>They literally haven't done anything relevant since the end of the horus heresy
Most haven't, but they have probably done more than most.
>BAWWW WHY HAVEN'T MY FAVORITE POOPENFARTEN MARINES POOPED PR FARTED SINCE THE SHITTYBUTT HERESY THEY ONLY HAVE 23 BOOKS ABOUT THEIR POOPING AND FARTING INSTEAD OF 43 LIKE THE FARTENPOOPEN MARINES WAAAAAAAAAAAAH THIS MEANS JAMEZ WORKSHOP HATES ME PERSONALLY BAWWWWWWWWWW
Why are marinegays like this?
You're mad.
Cry more
>defensive ultragays
it’s just that easy
>YOU DARE MOCK MY CRYING OVER POOPENFARTEN MARINES?!
>YOU MUST LIKE THE PISSBUTT MARINES INSTEAD!!!
Marinegays are genuinely unhinged
Based
Cringe
Loyalist lore is shit is why. All of them are designed around one tactic and then a straight forward aesthetic. There's no motivation, there's no depth. Sorry you have shit taste.
They're just not likeable, they're mentally ill and hateful, and not in a funny or interesting way, its just stupid. If you want to play body horror murderous buttholes, you just play CSM, at least they have some motivation and character building over these glorified servitors.
Black Templars are cool, Blood Angels are cool, Dark angels are cool. 40k Ultramarines are boring, but so are the Black Legion.
>All of them are designed around one tactic
>loyalists
CSM gays are once again somehow even dumber than marinegays
>White Scars
>mongols with bikes
>Iron Hands
>cyborgs with tanks
>Salamanders
>homies with flamers
>Raven Guard
>sneaky emos with jumppacks
>Imperial Fists
>yellow marines but stubborn
I mean, to be fair most of them didn't have lore until after 4th edition of not later.
>They literally haven't done anything relevant since the end of the horus heresy
Did they do anything relevant in the Horus Heresy?
This
Nothing whatsoever until after being wiped out on istvaan.
Meduson (who they murder) tries to assassinate horus, and cuts aximand's face off.
Mor (butthole) had a campaign invented for him where he blows up the world eater's de-facto homeworld, just comes across as trying too hard though.
Wayland+Co annoy perty+fulgrim in AE, and then all die off. One of them kills marius (the first noisemarine) i guess.
Some of the other ones use forbidden shit to create cyborg zombies.
They once almost killed Horus
Because anyone who likes the "replace your body with machines" theme is already playing Mechanicus.
Come find religion with the cool kids
To infinity, and beyond!
I actually unironically like that green, and would be interested in knowing exactly what it is, in case I find something in the future where I'd want it]
My favorite chapter personally. I like that its a legion of the mentally deranged and that they're still coping so hard that they'd rather give up the ability to process emotions and give up agency than come to terms with the loss of their primarch. They're complete nutjobs, I love it. I also think they look sick.
I feel bad for the actual IH fans that were around in 8th. Couldn't play their favorite chapter without getting accused of being a WAACgay.
They are just sadboiz really. Their mechanical augmentations are a visual representation of ferrus' failure and their desire to relinquish their capability to make a decision that isn't based on cold mechanical logic partially because they consider that one of the reasons why they suffered tremendous defeat during the HH. They pretty much still blame themselves for ferrus' death and the defeats they suffered after the fact. I guess they think if they no longer feel emotion then they can continue to make pragmatic decisions and won't be routed by the sudden death of a leader during battle. There could be a decent story on the human condition regarding them but GW will never pursue this.
Problem is that their successor chapters are both less autistic, due to not having quite so many mental health issues, and have a more interesting colour scheme (especially brazen claws).
>brazen claws
Thought I was the only one who liked them, really like the quartered design, colors and cyborgs. haven't been able to afford an army, but I was planning to make them My Dudes since I couldn't find much lore on them aside from the destroyed knight home world and the eye of terror invasion they realized didn't do anything. do they have any books?
Dont think they do, the iron hands barely have any as it is, they had one deathwatch guy in the 2nd iron hands book, maybe another in a different deathwatch story. They seem to be significantly less mentally ill/flesh hating than the iron hands, more like 30k iron hands, just violent autists. Personally i think their colour scheme would suit the ultramarines a lot more, but it gives the iron hands something at least.
>more like 30k iron hands
HH Iron Hands were frequently characterized as insane. Explicitly so, the rulebooks flat out say they're psychotic and violently insane.
GW did make an story about the IH healing a bit and finding a better balance between their autism and self hate in 40k. Read about Kardan Stronos and his book series (The Eye of Medusa, The Voice of Mars)
Sadly the third book of the trilogy with the conclusion has not been released yet.
>speshhhh murinessss are daaa bessst
>replace their perfect body with metal
Iron hands concept is moronic. They are Iron Warriors but loyal. They should be named silver hands t b h.
Bionics are objectively better than their organic counterparts though. If anything it would make marines more effective if they all followed the Iron Hand method, but that would be too expensive.
>t. magos
because GW wrote themself in to a corner with their lore. They are probably the only marines with actual tech resurrection. all they could do is kill off stronos and then let ferrus come back, but that would be crippling them again story telling wise since stronos is their best written character.
Post more IH art pl0x. kthnxbai.
Who works the closest with Admech? Is it the iron hands or the sons of medusa?
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Steel_Confessors
IH and it's not close. SoM are viewed as heretics.
Worst Legion, other Legions do everything they do but better, manchild autist Primarch that got decapitated by a dandy.
Why do you love warhammer so much? It literally hasn't been good since the original rogue trader back in '87.
Aren't the iron hands augmented with extremely advanced technology that isn't in use anywhere else due to admech secrecy? If this is the case, can we not make the assumption that these mechanical augmentations are just as good if not better than the typical biological enhancements of regular space marines?
I don't hate the IH or anything but God damn I often forget they're a first founding chapter since they're so boring. Being an IH player must be suffering.
Honestly the biggest limitation on how good implants can be is how good the underlying flesh which supports it is. A normal human wouldn't be able to use an artificer bionic limb with 2000lbs of lifting strength because they would break their spine. Astartes are different. Although, the many of the most dangerous and powerful magos of the admech would smoke a space marine in a fight. At that point, there's very little human left, and bizzare secondary psychological effects begin to set in. There's that bit in Helsreach where Forgemaster Jurisian fights the Ordinatus Armageddon's keeper, and he gets torn up pretty good. He mentions after the fight that had the keeper not been completely unmaintained and a shadow of its former self, he could have easily been mortally wounded.
Meant for
Weren't they popular because they were meta during 8th ed when their Codex Supplement got released?
Are their books any good? I was recommended eye of medusa twice now.
Eye of Medusa and Voice of Mars are good, they really go into the callous indifference and obsession with certain things the IH are infamous for and how nightmarish it is to their serfs/tech attendants. there's some pretty good moments in them
eye of medusa and voice of mars arent good books, but sadly it is the only iron hands books that GW sells.
Boring; gay
space marines are supposed to be marvels of biological engineering, what is the point of adding mechanical engineering to the top of biological engineering?
if a half-mechanical space marine is as strong as a normal space marine why bother making space marines rather than cyborgs?
Iron Lords are better
I think it's hard to write them in a sympathetic role considering they are massive buttholes.
my biggest issue with them is that their color scheme sucks. It's the third major marine chapter that has black as their color scheme. I know Iron Warriors already took Iron, but at least give them some kind of dirty brown or something.
Why do you insufferable gays need 10 different threads to discuss different gay minutae about a game nobody plays? Please frick off and stop bumping this worthless thread.
They are absolutely redundant. We already have the far superior Iron Warriors AND the Mechanicum. There is no reason for the IH to exist.