Why does he attract so much seething?
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Soldier mains seething because they can't kill sniper like they can kill every other class blindfolded.
Unironically this. Soldier is literally designed to be the OP "backbone of the team". They are just mad that some class can kill them when they turn their brains off while spamming rockets in line of sight.
soldier is countered by scout and heavy
>Heavy
You mean Pyro. Heavy is a sitting duck in a mid-to-long range fight against a Soldier.
>cant do anything about rockets from the air
>cant do anything if the soldier fires from cover
>cant do anything if soldier aims for maximum splash radius
>cant do anything if soldier is using a shotgun
>cant reflect on reaction at very close range
>soldier has enough health to shrug off the flamethrower and bait out your airblast
>has to rely on the enemy team making mistakes to do anything while heavy is always a threat
STANDING HERE
*rocket jumps behind you*
nothing personnel, kid.
*jarate bushwhacka combos you*
psssshhh
With how powerful and braindead easy airblast and short circuit are right now why are you shitters still whining about Soldier?
insta kills at any range
bad map design makes sniper often oppressive
I was playing Sniper on some of the new maps and I felt claustrophobic, scared that I'd get flanked on the 2+ flank routes that every good spot had its back to, and generally boxed in, which is a sign that they are well-designed
^this
unforunate too because the more open maps designs are usually better for all the other classes to play on, especially the movement classes i.e hightower or harvest
>the two most popular pl maps in the game have giant sniper sightlines
Junction must be the best map in the game then since sniper is useless
Are you moronic?
Is it "bad map design" or is it "bad class design"? Because the maps work really well for every class, sniper is the one single odd ball that breaks many maps. It's like you need to design the whole map around sniper.
bad map design. if you don't make a map with flanks, good cover, or positions that can be easily countered then it is a bad map
and yet Ganker's favorite maps are garbage like mandril maze and mariokart
>sniper is the one single odd ball that breaks many maps.
That's obviously because sniper has wildly different strengths than any other class in the game. Having the only hitscan primary weapon that's not affected by damage fall-off or spread, for instance.
because his counterplay is "dont be where he can shoot you"
something that is true of every single class
except sniper can shoot you from across the entire map
so if you practice or use cheats or both you can turn entire maps into deathzones where you are getting kills every few seconds
this is idiotic; there's maybe 2 other things in the game that can kill so consistently
one requires a medic buddy, being revved up so you move at a snail's speed and is countered by someone sneaking up being him... or this gay "i can instantly kill you anywhere i want" class
the other also requires a medic buddy, has to reload and at 300 overheal it's not impossible to mob him with damage
sniper needs nothing except to exist + poor map design
>go-to class for cheaters
>tf2 has no anti-cheat so homosexuals flock to him
its really not hard to add up why people are sick of that class
People are envious of the power a good one has.
And the bots, of course.
This, but also because sniper is fricking impossible to get into. Games like CS:GO or Overwatch already generally give you hitscan assault rifle weapons that reward headshots, so going sniper is literally just that but with a scope and maybe a slower fire rate. However, in TF2 no one else is able to headshot, and most of your weapons don't even shoot bullets anyways, so the jump from other classes to sniper is even larger.
>Design game around two shots at mid range
>includes a character that one shots at any range
>overcater to sniper players in balance patches
>supposed to be weak at close range
>Random crits, Jarate, Bushwhacka cover that downside completely
>Non-Mirror Counter is one of the most underpowered Classes in the game
>get unlocks that frick spy anyway
I think the issue is Sniper exists not because TF2 needed one, but because FPS games that came before had a sniper in them.
>but because FPS games that came before had a sniper in them.
guess how many fpses had snipers and headshot mechanics before quake team fortress.
Really this is more of a semantics debate because Team Fortress introducing headshots and Goldeneye came out right on top of each other, and nobody sane would argue any 90s shooter was bigger than Goldeneye.
Gibus spinbots joining my endless 2fort games and sniping everyone to death.
He's the go-to for cheaters and bots but people are reluctant to scrap him because he's like 1 of the 3 sniper classes in video game history that got it right
I couldnt care less about snipers
If he gets a headshot - good for him, he deserved that kill
bodyshot - frick it, he didnt kill me (unless Im a scout)
Pyro, on the other hand...
There's only three kinds of Snipers
1. Shit ones that are basically a detriment to their team and would be better off playing any other class or not at all
2. Good ones that might as well be hackers/bots, are 100% all unlikable c**ts and make the game shit for everyone else
3. Actual hackers/bots
Because he's a threat without having to risk anything.
>be whatever class
>I am lucky enough to have a Medic with me
>trying to actively leverage my high HP and regen vs. four or five enemies trying to kill me
>have to pay attention to what they are doing
>have to figure out their spontaneous strategy
>have to count how much ammunition they've used (if they are reloading they are easier to burn down)
>have to figure out how to kill enough (possibly all) of them before they kill me
>have to put myself between them and the Medic who is also balancing these things
>Sniper instantly kills me from 6 miles away
It's what Uncle homosexual tries to complain about when he discusses random crits "trivializing encounters" except Sniper actually does this because what the frick would you actually do against a competent one? Throw your crosshair at the clouds, stop shooting the enemy and hope your arm blocks 1 of his 25 attempts at a headshot? Turn around and run away? It's bullshit, he's like a little finger of god with enough skill, he alone determines if I'm going to get to play the video game or not.
>There are no visual or audible cues to alert you to of his presence. And no, a dot that can easily be hidden does not count.
>Can easily kill 4 of 9 classes with a low charged shot
>Has access to a combo that could easily kill you without effort (jarate+bushwacka).
>Considering how critical hits work, he has a better chance of whack you with a crit melee
there being no sniper call out when there is one for spies and sentries is insane to me, what was the thinking behind having it for those two but not the long range instant kill class?
valve favoritism
it's obvious one of the head tf2 devs is a sniper main with how he's gotten nothing but buffs year after year
>Ganker will seethe about the comp bogeyman while valve gave snipers a weapon with headshot resistance and left it untouched for YEARS
Headshot resistance only affected other snipers, so it was fine. Now it gives permanent afterburn immunity.
>Headshot resistance only affected other snipers, so it was fine
sniper's only counter is himself
Used to be you could annoy sniper with any number of classes with constant aimflinch or spy patanoia. Now he's got permanent passive counters to anything that could interrupt his point and click adventure.
>Now he's got permanent passive counters to anything that could interrupt his point and click adventure.
if you stay scoped in
Cosy camper is the only one that got nerfed to require scoping, but also eliminated it's downside in the process. Darwin's danger shield completely negating any need to not get hit by flares is dumb as hell.
MADE FOR BBC
they'll defend sniper when spy is worse in every way to the point you need to abuse dead ringer to actually be useful and none of you homosexuals can prove me wrong
spy will never get buffed because he rapes bad players and they would b***h and moan about it
Funnily enough, people don't like being instakilled by something they can't defend against. One or two good snipers make the game unplayable for the enemy team.
Fix ambassador
>every other class is geared for mid-to-short range engagements
>at long range, no meaningful counterplay other than counter-sniping or hoping a soldier firing in his general direction can dissuade him from getting headshots
It doesn't help that there's shitloads of open space in a lot of vital combat spots around payload tracks, capture points, etc.
The quality of a game is inversely related to how good a sniper is, and it's not a coincidence that that's the class of choice for bots.
The only valid counterplay to a good sniper, that doesn't first have to fight through the entire enemy team to get to him, is to also play sniper.
think it's because of the bots that use him for easy one-shot kills the moment you are within a close range of them
Some eceleb put out a video telling his zoomer audience that sniper should be removed from the game.
Kids heard their favourite youtuber/streamer say he is op because they have 5000+ hours so they can insta-headshot an entire friendly server which clearly means he is op in the hands of your average player on a normal server.
>never care about tf2
>2023
>get bored because no good fps games to play
>install tf2 because why not
>start match
>try to emote
>"can't emote on a non premium account"
>huh?
>it turns out you have to shell out to be able to emote and type in chat
Fastest uninstall of my life, do Steamies really?
You can thank Tyler McVicker for that one.
I promise you it wasn't always like that. Shit happened
>>"can't emote on a non premium account"
Wait what? What the frick just press G moron. Or do you mean just chat?
Idiot, since 2020 you can do neither if you're F2P
filtered
They're just not very fun to play against if they're godlike and staying in the back. Now I have to play hide and seek while trying to deal with their teammates.
Because TF2gays have nothing worthwhile to talk about in their dead game and refuse to move on to a more balanced superior shooter.
TF2 is dead, it's time to move on to the superior multiplayer Valve shooter AKA Left 4 Dead 2
>Fully mod supported with a large amount to choose from
>Consistent playerbase that isn't filled with bots
>No israelite cosmetics, if you want to change the appearance of someone you download a mod, no transactions required
>A well programmed game director ensures that almost every game you play is different than the last, promoting replayability
>even if you get bored of playing the same campaign maps all the time, there are plenty of great custom maps to choose from
>has one of the most advanced gore systems in a vidya
>Versus still makes homosexuals and shitters seethe to this day
l4d2 gays are like quake gays but ten times as gay
Yes, and TF2gays are also like Quakegays except they suck Black person dick at Quake so they have to resort to playing the babby-fied version of it so they feel good about themselves
>acting like the railgun isnt just as gay as the sniper rifle
Quake Railgun
>have to be on the move constantly
>your enemy is likely moving as fast as you are assuming they are competent, which makes keeping track on them a challenge to do
>if you miss the shot and your enemy is not far away, you're basically fricked
>can be countered by a variety of different weapons
Meanwhile TF2 sniper
>can stand in one place at the back of the map
>just click heads on the other slow moving targets except for scout, but even then all you have to do is wait for scout to run into your view and it's an easy kill
>the only consistent counter to sniper is having another sniper on your team. Scouts can also count as one depending on the skill level of that player but that's it
If you really think that the rail gun and sniper are comparable, then you're a complete shitter no questions asked. Guess i shouldn't be surprised at finding shitters in a TF2 thread considering it's the most casual FPS ever made. It's like finding ducks in a pond (pic related)
have a nice day
keep crying then, homosexual. tf2 lives and quake is deader than your mom
TF2 lives on in the form of trannies parading around on 2fort showing off cosmetics they spent hundreds of dollars on while kicking everyone else who actually plays the game like a FPS. Maybe alive isn't the correct way to describe TF2, it's more like a corpse that's decorated and touched up.
Exactly, Quake's railgun takes skill to use unlike the shitter rifle in TF2. I only played sniper a handful of times and i was disgusted by how easy i was getting kills. No wonder that your average TF2troony thinks that an above average sniper is a "hacker."
tf2 is alive and thriving and your sweatshop is not. you just gotta deal with that fact mang.
>tf2 is alive and thriving
refer to this
>TF2 lives on in the form of trannies parading around on 2fort showing off cosmetics they spent hundreds of dollars on while kicking everyone else who actually plays the game like a FPS. Maybe alive isn't the correct way to describe TF2, it's more like a corpse that's decorated and touched up.
I noticed you still haven't refuted my claim by the way.
>mang
hi Black person
>TF2 has 9 possible classes who will be in or around your space in many different ways.
Those 9 classes don't mean shit when you can just pick the one that lets you stay at the back of the map and click heads
>All this while you don't have the freedom to go fast in TF2 as Sniper.
Once again, the one drawback doesn't mean shit when if you're an above average player you can keep enemies away from you easily.
What other servers are there aside from 24/7 2fort and Dustbowl anyway?
Uncletopia? LOL
Skial? LMAO EVEN
The Gankeran? KEK
All shit options, and casual matchmaking isn't any better either. Getting rid of quick play just so they could appeal to casuals even more was a fricking mistake.
>What other servers are there aside from 24/7 2fort and Dustbowl anyway?
literally hundreds of others you gigantic turbo homosexual
>Quake's railgun takes skill to use
Quake's maps aren't any more or less complex than TF2's. Both games have sniper rifles that basically rely on you figuring out your opponent's trajectory and then shooting slightly ahead of where he's going to be. The movement is also very similar (obviously) but while Quake has 1 type of movement (going very fast to try and throw off shots) TF2 has 9 possible classes who will be in or around your space in many different ways. All this while you don't have the freedom to go fast in TF2 as Sniper. Therefore, TF2's sniper is harder.
>TF2 lives on in the form of trannies parading around on 2fort
you can easily remove 2fort from your matchmaking anon, the game is more than alive
>quake railgun
instant death prediction kill device
>tf2 sniper rifle
instant death prediction kill device, but you cant be running around
careful anon you're gonna short out your keyboard if you don't stop bawling like that
I'm trying to find a match on this superior multiplayer valve shooter, but all I can find is vs or campaign.
I wanna try realism ffs
If sniper is allowed such a dumb unlock as Razorback, Heavy should have a headshot immune helmet that also disables the sniper for 5 seconds
Spy's response to the Razorback is the Ambassador. Or hell any revolver that doesn't do shit damage
for the longest time nobody said anything and we all had a good time. now SUDDENLY Ganker pretends like he has aimbot by default and is unacceptable.
he ruins my favorite maps which tend to be open, the game would be muuuuuuch better without sniper
Why does everyone act like the Razorback is an immunity to Spy? Just walk up behind the razorback sniper and crit the shit out of him with ambassador or diamondback.
>join game as Heavy
>leaving spawn and head to mid
>take side route in some small buildings to keep encounters close quarters, heavy does well in close quarters
>bump directly into an enemy sniper using hunts man!
>insta dead before you can rev
They simply made A LOT of design flaws with Sniper over the years and it's too much to fix now
c**tsman is the worst weapon they ever added, most bullshit weapon to fight, never feels earned or fair and turns any moron using it into a worthless homosexual just firing at hallways maybe getting a kill every 14 arrows never advancing or pushing
pub guide for noobs
>getting wrecked by a sniper?
ambassador + cnd, make your way to the enemy sniper slowly, uncloak not immediately behind him but still nearby, click his head, use cnd, wait at the same spot until he inevitably comes back
if you are not a shitter you can even use dead ringer and actually make a contribution to your team though this is optional
>getting wrecked by a spy?
pick pyro
>getting wrecked by any other class?
pick medic
See the problem you've raised here is the amount of commitment to deal with just one sniper, and even then if a enemy pyro is feeling trigger happy just running around their back line it won't work. And that is time not spend on the objective, it's a massive commitment to maybe deal with one enemy gamer for a few moments
you have a whole team b***h, so theoretically you don't need to do everything at once
if the enemy team has a god sniper you are doing more than enough by dedicating 100% of your effort into taking him down, meanwhile your team can do the objective safely
if someone in the enemy team picked pyro just to frick with you you're also doing your job really well but this is why I told you to pick ambassador, pyro can't do shit if you're sniping their sniper from midrange
zoomers have trouble using the amby
good community servers with custom maps etc? bored of uncletopia tier garbage with nothing funny in it
Sweaty tryhards who care about their kda but are only kind of good and not actually really good. I suck but I accept that I suck so I don't register getting sniped any differently than getting flanked by a scout or soldier. I know I can't rely on my execution to bail me out so I need to focus on tactical teamplay. Paradoxically this teaches you to avoid obvious sniper sight lines and play around the objective (which almost always have sightline protection) instead of roaming the map chasing killstreaks.
They cant tank the Stupid Sexy Kiwi, he makes the entire female cast of OW straight and all men even gayer there.
nobody like having piss being thrown on their way
OFFICAL TIERLIST FOR 100 PLAYER TF2
>HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT TIER
Engineer
>MANDATORY FOR VICTORY TIER
Medic
>ALMOST MANDATORY TIER
Soldier
Pyro
Heavy
>COULD GO EITHER WAY TIER
Demoman
>ABOUT THE SAME TIER
Sniper
Spy
>USELESS TIER
Scout
Scout is the easiest class.
>can instantly kill people without any threat to himself
>can even be effective standing in spawn
>not fun to engage with if you do hunt him down
it's easy to see why. if some god tier soldier enters a server, i can at least fight him, have some back and forth. Trying to move into a position where his rockets are not as advantageous, while peppering him with shots. but a god tier sniper just instantly kills me and i can't do anything. no mind games, no back and forth. it's just over. even more frustrating if I'm in the middle of some good fight with another class and this butthole kills me from across the map.
>im going to mass reply with facetious nonsense because im bored on sunday & underage
yeah whatever dude
>im not going to bother coming up with an argument for any of the points made because im a stupid fricking Black person who loves getting sodomized in the anus from a barrel of a sniper rifle
makes sense. I accept your concession
Literally name one homosexual
homosexual
i accept your concession
yeah there is literally no one playing any map in tf2 other than 2fort you homosexual
Anon, i already accepted your concession. Calm down and go back to dilating with your sisters on 2fort already
I'm only keeping this up because you're bumping the thread for free gaylord
>he doesn't know
oh no no no no the only one bumping here is you gaylord
good enough
>238
>schizophrenic delusions
Yup.
Sniper sucks to play against because there are so many barriers between them and the enemy team.
>In an out of reach spot that can't be reached easily
>Even the shittiest sniper can still bodyshot you for 1/3 or 1/4 of your health. 2 second reload before they pop off another shot again
>Combine the top two points with an expert sniper and it'll just completely dismantle your team
I remember back in the day TF2 was populated by cool straight white men. Now its populated by teenage homosexuals and millennial trannies with lowercase names about anal sex and estrogen injections. Most of them are too scared to talk into their mics because their ugly man voices will be revealed and they will be laughed out of the lobby. What happened to TF2?
People who paid for the game moved on long ago, and the poor, F2P hordes on their family computers encroached over the years.
maybe it's just an amerifat issue but literally every time someone hops on the mic for any reason not to make call-outs it's constantly filled with people trying way too fricking hard to be funny with the most god-awful attempts at humor i've ever heard
That's sovl
no trust me its like that in burgerstan too I just sat through an hour or two of it
there were no cool white people in the 2000s. The last cool white person died in the 1980s.
You are a moron
>use the classic
>have fun
I figure the main point of sniper being able to hold a charge was that he couldn't headshot for a 1 shot unless he held it to full. Defeats its purpose if you can pull 1-2 shots out your ass to down every class