>Abra has great stats for an unevolved Pokémon, very good special attack and speed, only let down by its shitty in-game learnset
>Kadabra has fantastic stats for a middle-stage Pokémon and can serve as a powerful special attacker for the rest of the game even if you cant evolve it into Alakazam
>Alakazam has amazing minmaxed stats, one of the best special attackers there is.
>Ralts has woeful stats for a 1st stager, on par with Magikarp and Caterpie
>Kirlia’s stats are horrendous for an evolved Pokémon. They’re worse than many unevolved Pokémon. You have to drag this piece of shit to level 30 before it becomes usable
>Gardevoir is just ok, a worse Alakazam in almost every way though
Why is the abra line so much better than the ralts line?
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>Why is the abra line so much better than the ralts line?
Abra has GenWun Privilege
>genwun privilege
it really is a privilege being a much better designed pokemon. i mean imagine being some sort of groomer-coomer bait like in OP
>Hoennbabies believe this despite Gardevoir shilled more than Alakazam
Keep crying about it, worm
>It's shilled so it's better !
Nice argument.
Now let us look at the stats and Hidden ability.
because gardevoir is sexy, kirlia too
>he wouldn't smash a daemonic goat-fox spoon bender
KWAB!
You're not interesting.
Because in gen 3 he wasn't Fairy yet and if he also had minmaxed Special sweeper stats like Alakazam there would be nothing to differentiate the two, so they decided they wanted Gardevoir to be slower and more defensive.
that doesn't justify the earlier forms having route 1 shitbug stats
It's easier to get Gardevoir because he's not a trade evolution so the first two have rubbish stats to compensate.
>Why is the abra line so much better than the ralts line
Because Alakazam is great at the one thing it does, while Gardevoir tries to be a more defensive variant that doesn't work that well because it still has shit speed shit defense and shit HP, but at least you can justify picking this over Alakazam because of its slightly better movepool, note that I'm only talking about Emerald
Gardevoir isn't even that much stronger than Kadabra, 125 SpAtk/80 Spe VS 120 SpAtk/105 Spe
I pick Gardevoir because it makes my dick hard and Alakazam doesn't
Ralts is literally in the second route of Hoenn and isn't even hard to find. It has shitbug stats because it is a shitbug in all but type.
ralts itself having shit stats is fine but kirlia being worse than most shitmons is ridiculous
it's a 4% spawn on exactly one route in the entire region, and yet it's useless until level 30
also abra is available pretty early in kanto but evolves into kadabra four levels earlier than ralts evolves into kirlia, and kadabra is busted even if you don't evolve it
I know the spawn is really low but I catch one every play through just for that reason and it was never a big deal. frick abra though teleporting mother fricker sometimes I ignore him and just use Haunter
Ralts and Kirlia don’t have *any* salvageable stats. They’re not defensive. They’re not good at anything.
kadabra is a trade evolution so it's entirely possible that you're stuck with it.
kirlia WILL evolve, so it doesn't need to be as good.
simple as.
Kirlia is also the first thing in the game to get calm mind. Even with its stats it’s incredibly easy to steamroll the game with that alone. Gardevoir carries the average Gen 3 run.
Had no idea it was that bad
Kek no one beats Alakazam.
Even Mewtwo which was a superior version of it for 5 gens got surpassed by Alakazam's better mega.
Because Abra’s are hard as frick to catch and require a trade to get their final evolution, while Ralts are fairly easy to catch and evolve.
still I would much rather have a Kadabra on my team than a Gardevoir. Kadabra is almost just as strong and way faster.
the MIDDLE stage of the abra line is better than the final stage of the ralts line. the first stage of the abra line is better than the middle stage of the ralts line
>only let down by its shitty in-game learnset
You basically answered your own question. Abra is tough to catch, and then you've got to deal with the fact that it only knows Teleport until Level 16. Your reward for dealing with this is a Pokemon that's exceedingly powerful for that section of the game. Then to get Alakazam, you need to find someone who'll trade with you then trade it back, or else give up their own Kadabra. By in-game standards, especially back in Gen 1 before online trading, you've got to put up with a lot to get your overpowered Psychic.
Contrast this with Ralts, who gets a relatively powerful Psychic move basically right out of the gate, evolves fairly early, and gets Calm Mind (an amazing move in Gen 3) immediately after evolving. It's also disingenuous saying that Gardevoir is "just ok" for being a bit worse than Alakazam when Gen 1 Alakazam is one of the best Pokemon ever. Gardevoir has amazing Sp. Attack, very high Sp. Defense, decent Speed for Gen 3, and you'll get it probably about halfway through the game. It's an excellent in-game Pokemon, and even if Alakazam winds up being slightly better overall, Gardevoir has some key advantages (broader movepool, can actually take a hit).
Ralts evolves after Abra and Kirlia still has worse stats than Abra, which not only has a higher BST but is also minmaxed. It isn't just limited to Teleport either, as it can learn moves by TM, including the elemental punches.
Of course Alakazam should be stronger than Gardevoir when it's a much bigger pain in the ass to get a hold of, but that doesn't mean Kirlia should be a useless shitmon when Abra gets to be a run carrier.
Getting Ralts to Level 20 is easier than getting Abra to Level 16. There aren't any TMs that are going to help you evolve your Abra in Gen 1.
Kirlia isn't useless either. It makes up for its stats with good moves. Calm Mind + Confusion is extremely good for that point in the game, and it gets Psychic at Level 26. Double Team helps a lot, as well.
I'm currently playing through ORAS and my experience has been that Kirlia was complete dead weight until it evolved.
You're right about Abra being a shitmon in gen 1 but in gen 2 you can get the elemental punches at Goldenrod and then evolving it is a breeze.
Gen 2 is really more the exception than the rule, though. Most of the time, you don't have access to TMs that are going to help your Abra out.
I can't speak for your experience, but I really don't remember Kirlia ever being dead weight. It's not a powerhouse, but it does just fine. Having Calm Mind at that early stage is seriously useful. I've only really used it in RSE, but I imagine the Fairy type could only be a help.
let's be honest about the move pool thing: the only reason you want Abra or Ralts is for psychic attacks which is like a better normal type special attacker. it hits basically everything in game neutrally very hard and has fewer resists in a play through than a normal type, plus special attackers are usually better in game. the trade off is having a few random weaknesses that don't really matter because psychic types are usually good mons and you now can hit some things SE unlike normal. Psychic is just boosted normal type and compliments your starter no matter what you pick
I literally told you why it exists raltstard.
It exists as a late game boss. Now stop posting.
Is reading comprehension a problem for your tiny brain?
I think Gamefreak is very hesitant about making a Psychic type as good as Zam to prevent another Gen 1 Alakazam situation.
No non-legendary/mega Psychic mon is as fast as Alakazam, and only 2 mons beat it in Special Attack: Hatterene (which is slow) and Zen-Darmanitan (no explanation needed).
You could actually argue that alakazam isn't the best non legendary psychic in gen 1. It's got competition in the form of Slowbro, Exeggutor and Starmie.
it's usable for in game and the reason it sucks and Haunter and Kadabra are good is because they're trade evolutions. If you can't trade then you still have good mons. Kirlia sucks because you can evolve it in game, and it will likely evolve before your starter does unless you only use your starter
Abra was made when Psychic was still effectively the "God Type" and also had a Challenge Factor in capturing it due to being a rare encounter with high speed and ONLY knowing Teleport, effectively meaning it'd escape most scenarios from turn one if you didn't chuck a ball right away.
Ralts was made AFTER they started hammering Psychic into the dirt. Simple as.
I told you this, in the other thread.
Ralts was made bad for wally. It was supposed to be a late game suprise, like dragonite was in gen 1.
You were never supposed to catch ralts, and they made sure, by making it so you couldn't evolve it until your halfway through the game.
As for its stats, its only notable because its a special attacker, but physical mons were already ranging around 110 to 130. (Breloom, hariyama, swampert, heracross, dodrio, donphan, flygon if we count stab earthquake, absol aggron etc.). Special Attackers were much lower on average and slow. Ludicolo is hoenns best new accesible sp-atker and its base 90 spatk. By accessible i mean its not a 10% encounter rate, and isn't slow exp group.
Seriously, go look through hoenns new dex. All special attackers cap at 95, except camerupt who randomly caps at 105, but has garbage stats otherwise.
The only exception is salamence but mence is post game.
Further you have to realize hoenn has choice band, but not specs, so your atkers are better at carrying through the frontier than spatkers.
So yeah gardevoir is mediocre, and its so slow i prefer starmie. Especially because starmies coverage is better.
If you need a fast sp-atker in hoenn for silver frontier, get surf ice beam, barrier, giga drain tentacruel, modest with ev training and max spatk ivs. Easy to get, and uses reuseable tms
>I am…forgotten
>Doesn't get Flamethrower/Overheat until Gen 4 meaning it'll just be using Electric Moves + Crunch
es basura
this is already fixed, the flaming shitheap has the broken fairy type now
According to the index numbers of gen 3, Gardevoir was originally supposed to be a pseudo-legendary like Metagross and Salamence. They changed their minds at the last minute and nerfed the stats of its line. Pseudo mid-evos tend to have shitty stats to begin with, and then they nerfed it further across the board.
Dang, People who want Aggron to be a Pseudo-Legendary would be mad to see that Gardevoir could've been one, while their bro/sis was never considered.
Oh shit, that would have sent my babe straight into Shillmon territory.
this world never fails to disappoint me. she could have had an actual black hole move.
GF were clearly trying to nerf Psychic types after Starmie and Alakazam tore Gen 1 a new butthole.
im surprised it took 2 threads for someone to say this
Elemental Punches are a pain in the ass to get.
Kirlia can run Calm Mind, Psychic, Shock Wave, and whatever else and it can frick shit up. All early.
Grumpig is funner though.
The tried and true formula of giving Pokemon with better designs worse stats and vice versa.
GF thinks it will balance out and all Pokemon will get an equal amount of usage.
The only reason why Kirlia sucks is because It can evolve Into gallade who 10 times better than the Waifu and your shitty goatman from kantoooooo.
having great type coverage and being effective against steel and dark types.
cool gallade img, still gonna pick my wife tho
Sorry, homosexual. Your husband is a waste of a Dawn Stone. Why would I pick some guy who cross-dressed as a kid when I could have an actual Fighting-type like Breloom, Hitmonlee, or Hawlucha?
>assuming i am gay or a woman.
Gallade is a bro.
Psychic and fighting is a great type.
and gallade has stall moves for added effect.
And if your going for those fighting types.
Hope you like getting oneshotted by any confident psychic type using psychic.
and are you saying you would rather use a dawnstone on a froslass?
Why would I want a fighting type to stall that isn't Breloom? This also isn't Gen 1 anymore. Psychic is more of a liability than anything, making Knock Off deal neutral damage and compounded with Gallade's frail ass defense because his homosexual ass can't take a hit to save his life.
And yes, I would rather use it on Froslass. At least she's fast, can set up spikes, and use Destiny Bond to take out a threat, unlike your "bro" who needs his fat fricking ass to attract all the actual fighting types.
Yea judging by the way you type.
You are malding really hard.
and also
>Needs his fat ass to attract the actual fighting types.
What ass? Without the pants. He canonically has as much ass as hank hill.
That Psychic type gives him an advantage over the " actual fighting types " One Zen headbutt and your fighting types are Koed.
Yea I just like to shitpost in this board.
Its funny how you guys get railed up so easily.
Like A Autist in a special ed school.
I might agree with you on that point.
My favourite pokemon is scizor.
Bug is a shit type but combined with steel makes it great.
The fighting type gallade has covers alot of the weaknesses of the psychic types.
Even though you are shitposting.
I can respect one for going for the underdog.
>Bug is a shit type
Wrong
Garde can take a hit unlike alakazam.
Sure not too well but being at 14 hp is better than being in 0 and gardevoir has moves like thunder wave that can stall which alakazam can't do as well.
Not all shitmons are shillmons, but all shillmons are shitmons. That is the nintendo philosophy
Abra's great stats are virtually unusable unless it's bred, and Kadabra is one of many "assume it can't be evolved and make it usable for main campaign" mons since it's a trade evo. Haunter and Machoke are surprisingly competent too, and it's not even gen 1 privelege since Gurrdurr and arguably Clamperl are strong NFEs too.