What is there to talk about? The journey started and it ended, people are looking forward to the Xenosaga ties-in, that's it. >Oh but people still talk about Xenoblade 2!!
No they don't, they just post pictures.
It was simply not a very good game. It was padded to hell and back.
Honestly once Noah and Mio reunited the game had emotionally and narratively peaked. The twist was fantastic and the game chose to limp on for a further 15-20 hours. The pacing is all over the place before and after this but honestly that 2 hour long stint from the prison segment to the reunion was 100% kino and made everything else worth it.
because it was a single player game with conclusion, people moved on
Not to mention that only single-player games that get discussed many years later are either defining in gameplay or story conclusion is based on conflict that have clashing of values or moral dilemma than story itself hence people still discuss if arthas was right to purge the city or if what edeltard done was justified but no one discuss elysium twist in xb 2 because it is just closed event you experienced and there is nothing to add
I think that the biggest mistake was that origin was full of empty hallways of trash fights, it was too long for it's own good and fights with x and y had so lackluster dialogues it was sad
I was speaking mechanically, he's the best designed boss fight. But actually, now that I think about it, he's really only behind Malos and Siren design wise, he's got a clean design as the giant head, meanwhile Zanza, and Aion, and Alpha all look like visual diarrhea. And then Fog King is just a big black blob.
The final boss is objectively the best in the series on a pure spectacle level, Malos is a better character but Z is still better than Zanza, who needed an entire extra game to make him not a shit villain. Z is an embodiment of an idea, him being one dimensional made sense
Zanza has just an empty hallway with old bosses and two phases, Z has his initial phase in the theater, all the heroes showing up including Melia and Nia who werent heroes prior, then final phase all with a grandscale war going on in the background. I like 1's final Zanza fight but 3 pulled out all the stops for its finale
3's last chapter and a half were a wet fart in a series that escalates immensely at that point in the stories. Future redeemed made a lot of the story aspects better but it released 9 months later and at a time where switch software sales are slumped. Best thing we have now is to wait for 4 in ~2026
It was said in the base game: after Noah and co broke the endless now both world successfully merged. That was shown by Noah hearing Mio's flute at the end.
In the DLC Takahashi went out of his way beat you over the head with it: 2 planets passed each other, then merged.
What else do you need explained?
If they could merge, why didnt they from the start? What does merging even entrails, did the whole 2 universe merge or just 2 planets. What happened to people living on those planets when they merged. It explained jack shit. Everything about the dlc is poorly thought out, hey wouldnt it be cool if writing
Xenoblade 1 and 2 are about beating the god and humanity forging their own path.
Xenoblade 3 is about the aftermath: humans are left to fend for themselves. When an event occurs that might result in total annihilation, they freeze in fear resulting in creation of Mobius. The moral of XB3 is to forge ahead even if the future is uncertain and that results in the happy end where both planets merge. >did the whole 2 universe merge or just 2 planets
Does that matter?
The split Kalus caused with his experiment got mended. >What happened to people living on those planets when they merged.
They're all thogether now. And people from the City are reborn there, as was spelled out at the end of XB3.
Have you even played the DLC (or finished it?). It litteraly explained almost everything not clear from the base game, even if you are a 15 years old moron. Like what truly happens to the people from the City after death (and why they evaporate) and it even clearly expands the end of X3 by litteraly showing the planets merging after 2 flashes of color (which were from Mio and Noah) litteraly seconds after Noah teleported (which was also clearly shown).
Man I don't know how you play games, but you will need to focus a bit more if you're playing story driven games. But since you seems to hate it, I guess that's why.
Congrats, you recapped what happened in the game without actually explaining any of it. Xenoblade 3 storytelling is perfect for midwits like you, shit happening without rhyme or reason, but its cool and pretends its 2deep4you so its great
12 months ago
Anonymous
Why would I explain it? I'm not here to hold you hand.
Just go play the game, it's 20-30h. My point is that it is LITTERALY NOT 2deep4you because they are explaining everything to the players, as if they were morons (which sounds like you were, since you understood nothing).
12 months ago
Anonymous
You wont explain, because you cant >y-you didnt play the game!
Cope moron
12 months ago
Anonymous
How do I get to that screen
12 months ago
Anonymous
what is that screen
Hack your switch and get nx activity log
12 months ago
Anonymous
>Hack your switch
Nah I like playing online
12 months ago
Anonymous
>have that exact same feature on the 3DS >remove it for the Switch
fricking Nintendo man
12 months ago
Anonymous
what is that screen
12 months ago
Anonymous
So you are a moron. >why didnt they from the start
The original goal of Origin is to be a backup when the worlds collide. The backup contains souls and memories of people using several technologies from both world (i.e: core crystal). They were never supposed to stay on the same world originally, just to drift appart.
IIRC this was explained in the base game by the way.
The question fans asked themselves at the end of X3 was: what the frick happened? Even if base game did show a bit of world merging, it was not sure.
So that's where the DLC is. You asked: why did they not merge since the beginning? It's almost the same question as: Why is Matthew not destroying Moebius after the DLC?
Because this is a game motivation by wills, and they are inside ORIGIN, stored as MEMORIES and WILLS.
If you are meeting strangers, do you want to stay with them forever? No. But Noah and Mio longed for eachother across a thousand lives (my number here is bullshit before you call it like a moron).
THIS IS what you see at the end of the DLC, something that was not in the base game. Well I don't remember exactly the order but it was like that :
- Noah hears Mio's tune and he disappears: except in the DLC, it is much more clear as you can directly see it
- You see our solar system, 2 planets (blurry/invisible) separating
- (Meanwhile, you have the song from the same singer as the older xeno games)
- each planets resonate in blue and green: wow what if they were related to Ouroboros??? And maybe specific characters???
- Merge
So here in this case, you are in a game of WILLS (and even more, since it seems tied to Xenosaga which is basically WILLS: the universe), 2 peoples who had access to multiple shenanigan (pneuma's gauntlet, malot shit, Alvis stuff, descendant of ...) LONGED for each other, even after having their memories (?) reset since the loops ended.
So, here we are, congrats! You played 150h for nothing as you understood nothing.
12 months ago
Anonymous
Also, to double down: You literaly understood nothing of the main plot if your question was "Why didn't they do it from the start".
12 months ago
Anonymous
XC3 story is nonsensical garbage, do not try to find something in it.
>If they could merge, why didnt they from the start?
the energy generated from the planets colliding was supposed to power origin, but the collision was stopped by mobeus/origin itself. It's only after beating Z that the process resumes
The experience of being on Aionios taught the people of the worlds to interlink
That's why they shine blue and yellow before merging after Future Redeemed: the worlds are actually interlinking into something that won't explode
But interlinking can only be done when your emotions are at a peak, whereas Aionios was created from the fear of the future that defined Moebius keeping Origin from doing anything
>both world successfully merged. That was shown by Noah hearing Mio's flute at the end.
You don't see Noah's world change. You just hear the flute and he disappears.
Of course if you're tuned in to Takahashi's sense of storytelling, you'll understand he's pulling some bullshit that rows back on an earlier emotional scene.
>"One day, I'll come and see you!" >One minute later...
>What else do you need explained?
Melia and Nia's tax policy.... also possibly the identity of rex's third child, the one that didn't got any name or spotlight compared to M/mio and glimmer , would be appreciated
>End of the story spanning thousands of years of conflict against impossible odds >Finally, the world is saved. Everyone lives happily ever after. >NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I NEED ANOTHER CONFLICT
that's not the point of the game... they beat you on you head countless times about the fact that conflicts will always happen regardless of what time period you are in, what kind of world you're living in, what you're fighting, it doesn't matter. at the end of the day people will fight each other, and that's okay, just make the most out of it. the new merged world will eventually give way to more petty squabbles, that's just how it is.
the complaints about the game is that it's uncharacteristically vague given all their other games, with a penchant for overexplaining stuff. naturally people came to expect the same level of detail in this, but they didn't.
no free updates, no custom difficulty, no very hard, no new classes, literally nothing except for the Pythra amiibo update which will launch in July and will add Pythra's sword
Both previous Xeno games ended 'poorly', with elements that were not fully resolved, and people went to the internet to argue about shit like melia's relationship with shulk or how the frick pyra and mythra are supposed to work in the ending. XC3 ties everything up too tightly, and there's not really any loose ends to argue about.
It was mediocre no matter what the shills tell you.
All titles before it were talked about for years after.
Its pretty obvious, happens with alot of games now.
Games being hyped up before and a few weeks after release. Anybody who points bad stuff out is being ridiculed and pushed out the thread.
The best part of XB3 was the music for me but even that was a bit less memorable than the previous titles.
Just really really mediocre, I was glad when it was over.
Thats what happens if you try to appeal to everybody and not offend anybody.
Cause no waifu pandering so that means no autists dedicated to keeping the threads alive. Game was fun and the story explains it's self beside that dlc ending.
One thing I don't get about the dpc's ending, how the hell did Shulk and Rex miss what Z had been doing up until then. When they leave one of them says they believe "Z might start trying to take over" but he already was the one running the entire world and orchestrating a war with his Mobius army for what had to have been hundreds of years by then.
/we/ played it and beat it. It was good but a bit too fanservicey on the xenoblade stuff but you could also just make the argument that it makes sense since its a uh fricking xenoblade game but also the plot is straight out of one of those musou tie-in games where its like WOOOAH what is character doing here theyre here because all of the dimensions got merged woahhh epic epic epic
Also it didnt have any legendary coom-worthy designs like Pythra or Ryza so they dont get the softcore porn spam threads eitehr
Yeah just like Xenoblade 3 and Future Redeemed. Being vague or implying shit is pretty standard for xeno games.
12 months ago
Anonymous
I disagree; x1's ending was perfectly balanced.
12 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not saying it wasn't but it also left the door open for whatever else they wanted to do in the future. Most wouldn't consider it a cliffhanger unless you wanted to see more and understand what Alvis meant.
12 months ago
Anonymous
that's the thing. it wasn't needed since the game was conclusive enough. XenoX was the better approach in that regard.
12 months ago
Anonymous
What do you even want in an ending. You want to know each details of their life for every years until their death? You have your conclusion here: the worlds merged, citizens will be reborn, no more evil Alvis and you even got some ties with Xenosaga.
Litteraly what do you want more ? You want to see the next evil dude right without understanding anything? I bet you are the type of people who clapped in a Marvel's post ending scene because there was Thanos.
You are delusional.
12 months ago
Anonymous
I didn't mind any of the endings besides 3 cause too much shit was left unexplained and uncertain. All the other endings just told the players that a new future was waiting in the new world. They left it up to your imagination until 3 came out and future redeemed just left it vague enough again for you to imagine what happened to the merged world.
that's the thing. it wasn't needed since the game was conclusive enough. XenoX was the better approach in that regard.
>XenoX was the better approach in that regard.
Yeah it was. Still coping for more.
There has literally been Xeno 3 and Xeno related threads every fricking WEEK you goddamn moron. There was literally one either yesterday or a few days ago comparing the scores to FF16. What the frick is the point of this thread trying to accomplish?
Compared to 1 and 2 the character designs got way worse, the gameplay got worse, the music got worse, the art style got worse, the environment got a lot worse and less interesting to explore, and the music isn't nearly as good.
>character designs got way worse
really? I think the guy improved a ton in terms proportions and color choices, nothing really comically stand out now in relation to the world like Rex's blue and Nia's yellow from before. he also seemed to have figured out a nice balance for a unifying style to apply for all three games, all the returning characters look great and there's no Nomura (and other guest artists) this time to make characters look like they're Kingdom Hearts rejects so it's more consistent.
The characters all have darker lower bodies. This is so that they would be able to exchange their upper halves with each other without it looking absolutely ridiculous.
The downside to this is that all the characters have very bland, forgettable designs.
you mean for when they change jobs? I was mostly referring to their overall appearance rather than just their outfits, and I wouldn't really go as far as to say they're forgettable but they are a bit more down to earth. but a more reserved designed is preferable than an offensive one in my opinion.
again, the easiest way to judge this aspect is to take a look at the returning characters. it doesn't necessarily have to be just their clothes since it's obviously different, but their anatomy, facial structure and expressions, how they look in the context of the world and other characters, etc.. Melia, Nia, Rex and Shulk (and Glimmer) are all upgrades from where they came from imo. I can appreciate Xenoblade 2 being more vibrant and fantastical with the designs but I much prefer the more uniform aesthetics in 3.
Because it's shit. and I say that as someone who loved the first two games warts and all. story is a complete incoherrent mess and then the dlc is just nostalgia slop the whole way through while fixing none of the core issues of the main story that it absolutely could have fixed.
Old man Shulk and Roid-Rex were literally peak jrpg party members ever. Matthew also had more personality than any other main character in the series, including Shulk and Rex in their own games.
Because it was a fantastic game up to Swordmarch, then the story lost steam, combat had no new mechanics and very few of the sidequests had anything interesting to them. In Xeno 2 I did every superboss because I wanted to challenge myself, in 3 the combat felt less engaging since I could take all the time in the world to kill the mob.
Is 3 worth playing? I tried to play 2 but I really can't get into it. The combat seems interesting but also incredibly slow to start and get into. The story also seems interesting but isn't really going anywhere at the moment.
If you didnt like 2s gameplay no, its similar and personally i think inferior to 2s. As for the story, you can enjoy 3s base game without any knowledge of the series, even though i dont think its worth playing for the story alone if you never played any of the previous titles
3 is my favorite in the series and i had the least complaints on it compared to 1, 2, and X. I say if you finished 1 or X, it will be similar in that field.
3 has worse story and combat, the only thing it does better is the QoL improvements and much better side quests(that end up being better than majority of the main story), but 2 is better otherwise. 3 also has even worse and slower start, its not until late chapter 3 when the game opens up, and chapter 4-5 is when it gets good but only briefly, most of it is not good. But if you are asking if you should skip to 3, then the answer is no
The frick? Shulk's hair is just a normal long blond hair. Worst thing is when the anime hair is just a mix of red and blue. That always will look moronic.
I have to admit XC3 is a masterpiece and the only actually completely good Xeno game. It's weird considering it has the worst environments and soundtrack but the rest is just so good.
It ended. All the mysteries are solved and everything is tied together. The big stinger is that it was Perfect Works episode 1 all along (immediately obvious since it takes place on the original Earth). Now all the mystery is on X.
what is there to talk about
unlike 2 where people just spammed softcore porn about the blades 3 doesn't have that kind of fanbase and the game is now over a year old with the DLC also like a month or two old
don't force discussion for no reason
because it was a major step down from 2 and had an extremely shitty ending
The correct way to improve on 2 was to remove the gacha system and make all the blades recruitable from quests
I love the games but why the frick would I keep talking about it? It's not a GaaS, it's not an online game. It's a done game, I spent the 3 months chilling the frick out with my Xeno General bros, I'm good to move onto something else.
I played 40 minutes of Future Connected then it hit me like "oh." and I realised the plot wasn't going to get better and the gameplay systems were already plateaued
I played 40 minutes of Future Connected then it hit me like "oh." and I realised the plot wasn't going to get better and the gameplay systems were already plateaued
People need to understand what epilogue means.
Future Connected is perfectly fine as it is.
I'd say it's one of the best epilogues in any game, not that many even have one.
Glimmer and Nikol aren't even romance bait. They have zero romantic hints with each other and they literally married other people, as stated by their founder statues
Black person what? It's pretty obvious A and Matthew's relationship is 100% platonic and Glimmer and Nikol literally go on to found to entirely different houses and there's zero romantic tension between either of them. The "bait" is nowhere but in your deranged brain. You sure you're not a fujo?
12 months ago
Anonymous
Glimmer and Nikol aren't even romance bait. They have zero romantic hints with each other and they literally married other people, as stated by their founder statues
None of those are romance bait. There's no romantic tension there at all.
A lot of people thought and some still think that they are a thing.
12 months ago
Anonymous
If they weren't the protagonists' kids then those people wouldn't even care.
Also who the frick thought that inability to remove party members is a good thing?
This also completely destroys all drama and e.t.c because they're all have lines in sidequests, unlike prevoius games where it was random. In 3 you always know that all 6 characters always will be in a party, because game designers are idiots
Even Xenoblade 2 had a moment, where Pyra was gone from the party although the game makes you think that she always be with you because you can't unequip her from blade slot in the original playthrough.
The same with fiora in 1.
And in 3 it was...mwamba? This was the most predictable and boring death i ever saw. And basically all xc3 is like this.
>they're all have lines in sidequests, unlike prevoius games where it was random
Thank fricking god. Its also the reason why the sidequests arent utter shit
This. Even the one that I "like" that being Xenoblade 2's combat is still not great.
Yeah, xb2's is the best, but still not great. The thing I like about it is that the real time combat actually matters. Having to setup and work towards a good chain attack whit the orbs is cool.
In xb1 and especially 3, anything other than chain attacks are a complete waste of time.
But the one thing that plagues all of them is the fact the nothing ever changes. It doesn't matter if you're level 8 fighting some rabbit or level 70 fighting a robot or max level fighting a superboss dragon, every battle playes out the exact same way and it's so mind numbing
I had this realisation in 3 when you are fighting with M and N. After that it started to feel soo boring, especially ouroboros combat, it's just an absolute shit.
I didn't like Skell combat, but after ouroboros it's just feels like a good battle system with lots a variety.
I liked the short range/long range shit they did in Xenoblade X as there were ways to speed it up. 2/3 don't feel good to play, particularly in the early game.
It's a year old single player game. All the DLC is done. There's a Xeno general on /vg/. Ganker threads are full of dedicated shitposters. Why would we keep talking about it here?
This also the point. Xenoblade 1 was not meant to be Xeno game, it was just a jrpg which original name was "Monado: Beginning of the World"
And in XC2 devs told that there is no connection to the first game, like it was with Final Fantasy games and when you played XC2 it really felt like it, it was a complete different game. And because of it the absolutely mad twists at the end felt even more insane. And especially with Zohar at the end which just said that this series is part of Xeno now.
And after XC2, when the mystery is gone, i expected for them to go all out in XC3. But it was just a XC1/XC2 ripoff without new interesting concepts and ideas and the story itself just sits in one place, without moving forward.
They set the stage for a big new Rex adventure at the end of XC2 but just didn't want to commit apparently. At the same time they also didn't want to leave the XC1/2 baggage behind and even went ahead and made FR. It's a mess and I hope they do move far away from it all now and actually start with a clean slate.
I think that they should've just made XC3 a straight sequel with the actual Shulk and Rex kids as main protagonists or just part of the main party. Without all this simulaton bullshit which just seems like a copy of XC1
Because it's not Shulk and Rex kids, it's just a generic soldiers with their look. This story point is so bad i don't even want to talk about it.
And i didn't said about them specificaly, could've been the entire different people, like in this Xenoblade 3 early concept art
12 months ago
Anonymous
Also
>High entia with blond hairs
huh
12 months ago
Anonymous
Shulk and Tyrea's kid.
12 months ago
Anonymous
>it's not Shulk and Rex kids, it's just a generic soldiers with their look.
Doesn't really matter because they'd still have the same personalities in the real world. Lanz and Sena are still meatheads, Valdi is still a mecha autist, Dirk is still a psycho serial killer, etc
>set the stage for a big new Rex adventure at the end of XC2
Not really, there wasn't anywhere else that story could've gone without a timeskip. There were no more threats until the merge happened
Which is literally what they did, make new shit up and tie it into the old stuff but not straight up make a whole game focusing on the by now heavily promoted, iconic XC charas. Rex + girls or their kids
I think that they should've just made XC3 a straight sequel with the actual Shulk and Rex kids as main protagonists or just part of the main party. Without all this simulaton bullshit which just seems like a copy of XC1
exploring a new world alone sells itself to the casual crowd where some literally started with XC2 because the switch barely had games, even if it probably doesn't satisfy what the average xeno gay wants from the series, but not every xeno game has to do that anyways and trying to please everyone will just please no one. In some ways this is gonna turn into the same problem the FF series had where they now finally pivoted and started working on shit like FF7R, people wanted for cloud for 20 years but it took SE almost collapsing under their own bullshit to capitalize on low hanging fruit kek
>it took SE almost collapsing under their own bullshit
Good thing Monolith isn't in danger of collapsing then. They had over 100 employees listed in the TOTK credits
12 months ago
Anonymous
>Good thing Monolith isn't in danger of collapsing then. They had over 100 employees listed in the TOTK credits
Are you actually moronic or just pretending? The main teams getting spread thin to fix shit on other games is literally what hurt 13, og 14 and ultimately 15 so badly. Monolith having to fix up zelda games for good is not a good sign for xeno games because the best devs are naturally gonna work on revived and more popular than ever zelda over obscure jrpgs lmao
If XC3 story was good i would've been fine with it not being tied to the previous games, but it's just the boring reuse of ideas from past entries. And not just the reuse from gears and saga, but even from blades. And even with all that it's so bad it's just hillarious.
12 months ago
Anonymous
>but it's just the boring reuse of ideas from past entries. And not just the reuse from gears and saga, but even from blades.
And your proposed solution is that they should've re-used MORE characters and other shit from the old games? lol
12 months ago
Anonymous
What? Same characters and same story plot points is not the same.
And i never talked about characters from old games, the game doesn't really need them.
12 months ago
Anonymous
Monolith has shown some very nice concept art over the years tapping into completely different settings too Speaking of hilarious re-usage, don't forget Mythra being re-used from Expelled From Paradise by the artist too kek
He is god and shoulk wished the world without gods
12 months ago
Anonymous
and he left shulks world so shulk still got his wish
12 months ago
Anonymous
And then he...returns. Nice story.
And you could say that he died because all what was left of him is his core crystal
12 months ago
Anonymous
Isn't alvis basically like an avatar or some shit in xeno 1, he is explicitly not a god. Not like zanza
12 months ago
Anonymous
He's the closest thing to capital G god.
He's the Father
Malos is the Son
Pneuma is the Holy Spirit.
However unlike Malos/Pneuma, Alvis never got mind wiped; so he knows everything about who or what he is and can do.
>Klaus use the big dimensitional thingy and split the universe in two. >"Today we use our power to fell a god and seize our destiny." XB1 and XB2 happens concurrently, the Conduit is disappearing, Alvis rebuild Bionis per Shulk's wish, and Klaus gives his last gift to Alrest.
Man the hype, the feels. That's a pretty good conclusion. >FC imply heavily that the Conduit's disappearance cause the universe to remerge.
Oh there's more? I wonder how the next Xeno will turn out.
Comes XB3 >Everlasting war. The merge is either in progress or completely happened.
Sure. >We made a Noah's ark out of desperation in the hope something is left after the annihilation.
That's a pretty cool plot point actually. >It malfuctionned and somehow the merge was frozen and a shitty entity hijacked Origin.
What? How? The Conduit was the only thing estasblished able to mess with dimensions and its clearly out of the picture. >Ending unmerge the universes and Nia's quest implies it will remerge later.
Ugh...
Comes DLC, it's the conclusion of Klaus' saga... >Origin is made out of Ontos/Alvis. >He still has godlike powers, even though it was clear at the end of XB2 that the processors should not have them anymore. >Let's throw Pneuma's core and Logos in the mix without any build-up in the last leg of the game. >Sacrifice old cast too. >Remerge happens and phase in somewhere.
Frick this.
Somehow, I wish XB3 was just old cast and new cast trying to deal with the merge catastrophic consequences and triyng to convince everyone to board the ark.
I liked it, the “sacrifice” tells us why Shulk & Rex aren’t in base XC3 and I like that the base game doesn’t go overboard with the fanservice besides Melia & Nia.
I don’t know, maybe it could have been better but I’m pretty satisfied with how the trilogy ended. I still hope we get Xenoblade Warriors for one last big crossover before the trilogy characters are ditched in favor of a new one.
>Xenoblade Warriors
That would be the best fricking shit and i have no idea why i never thought of it.
Hell, you can even keep the gameplay it's basically a musou with the numbers you fight against.
My opinion is that they shot their load too early. The M and N """""""twist"""""" should've been the climax, and that's how it was written, but they still had a bunch of random shit to do after before the ending. After 80 hours of playing, and that hour long cutscenes leading up to a bossfight, I was done. I loved it up until that point, but any emotional weight the story has was completely gone after that point. With the illusion of a good game fizzling away, there's no reason to play a auto battler with a shit ton of walking between fights.
X did it right. The story was paced perfectly, and I still talk about thay ending with friends. The mainline games are paced so poorly it's not even worth trying to talk about.
3 also had by far the worst final boss out of all the games, it was 90% scripted cinematic bullshit and barely any actual combat.
The whole thing takes like 2 hours for no reason.
>People of both worlds gaining memories/feelings/dreams of unknown millennia of bloodshed has no impact >The continued existence of a soul and data collecting supercomputer once haunted by the Collective Unconscious and now inhabited by a waiting list of souls yet to be born has no impact >BOTH UNIVERSES BORN FROM KLAUS' EXPERIMENT FUSING BACK TOGETHER INTO WHAT IS PROBABLY XENOSAGA'S LOST JERUSALEM HAS NO IMPACT
Absolute brainlet take from a moron with no vision.
They should've made the game about a different cast or at least put coomer autist bait designs like ethel into the main party again. Instead they made a pozzed game no one really cares about. I've had multiple people that actually liked the game tell me they just stopped randomly because they got bored in the last stretch too, that doesn't happen if you're actually invested in the characters.
Because the game ended, the saga is closed, so people moved on.
This is what mentally sane people do, they do spam the same threads over and over again arguing over plotholes like 3Hgays do.
>Nopon Merchant RPG >It's Recettear but with Nopon trying to profit off of war and genocide >Hire sidekicks to massacre monsters, soldiers and those filthy Tirkins
Because, the regular game had next to nothing to do with the other two despite being stated by the producer that it was the final chapter of that part of the saga and mostly rewrites itself out of existence by the end. Then, they released an expansion DLC that was closer to what you would expect from that statement, but, like Torna, it was a story you already knew the end of thanks to the regular game. Thus, no matter for which part you come for, you end up being disappointed story-wise.
You can sum up the important things that happened an will be relevant later in that episode with a mere "The two earths get rejoined", pretty much everything else is irrelevant.
I like how they tied in the story of Saga which ended in in the heroes rejecting willhelm's cruel scheme for world preservation through human suffering, by having a DLC where our heroes practically condone Ontos's cruel scheme for world preservation through human suffering
Then Nia must also look like a 3rd rate chink gacha character because Mio has almost the same design 1:1, only difference is their clothes
12 months ago
Anonymous
Blade Nia? No, Blade Nia is like one of those super popular character designs that everyone loves. And as I said, Mio looks like a common unit. Now if we're talking about regular Nia? Yeah I can see how tastes split widely in that regard. But no version of Mio even comes close to how awesome Blade Nia looks like.
12 months ago
Anonymous
regular Nia > blade Nia > 3 Nia> Mio
12 months ago
Anonymous
Eh, I'm not hugely into reg Nia, but if I was I'd probably agree.
12 months ago
Anonymous
I don't know. I don't like Nia's design. It looks just stupid.
12 months ago
Anonymous
Why the frick would you consider clothes as seperate when discussing character designs? They're an integral part of it.
Noah is very boring he makes me feel nothing like shulk and rex arent exactly super unique or anything but they are at least more interesting. the setting feels pointless like it does nothing with the fact the worlds are merged, the main menu music is shit, and the overworld music is pretty much worse than 1 and 2 across the board. the character designs are boring compared to 1 and 2. the gameplay is worse than 2. Z and N are lame villains
12 months ago
Anonymous
Noah is a great character in the setting of 3, a world where everyone is raised to be killers and he takes a more introspective look at things, plus when viewing Noah's character you have to take into account N, theyre literally the same person and our Noah would have done exactly the same if he was in N's shoes. Hoenstly he's my favorite Xeno protag right by Fei
12 months ago
Anonymous
>would have done exactly the same
Except he didn't. He literally said that he would destroy this world even if he will be left alone. He let go of Mio, which absolutely contradicts every other incarnations, just because....just because
12 months ago
Anonymous
Noah said he would destroy the world AFTER he saw his old memories, he literally was about to admit that he wanted time to stop after M died
12 months ago
Anonymous
And? N saw it too
12 months ago
Anonymous
Difference in how they saw it, N saw it practically forcibly by Z while desperate to save his Mio, Noah is shown these memories by Mio but not to take him down a dark path but explain why N went down such a path and strengthening Noah’s resolve to tear the world apart
12 months ago
Anonymous
Was very dissapointed by main menu music. Was expecting something very different (all previous xenoblade games had really different main menu themes), but they simple made it like XC2...but unlike xc2, xc3 theme is boring.
Also did you know that XC3 main menu theme is final boss theme?
12 months ago
Anonymous
i honestly cant even remeber the final boss theme
Zanza has just an empty hallway with old bosses and two phases, Z has his initial phase in the theater, all the heroes showing up including Melia and Nia who werent heroes prior, then final phase all with a grandscale war going on in the background. I like 1's final Zanza fight but 3 pulled out all the stops for its finale
Z whole fight is slow and boring littered with cutscenes I dont care about, 1 actually felt epic https://youtu.be/TUQXGvG5DT0?t=39
12 months ago
Anonymous
Actually the final boss theme is one of little things that i really like (although i could barely hear it during the fight). Imo it's amazing. Also it's the first time since Xenosaga 1 (2002), when Mitsuda composed a final boss theme for Xeno game.
XC2 final boss theme was good too, but it was too short and also on two phases it was the same music. XC3 at least fixed that a little.
XC1 of course the best with two completely different themes.
12 months ago
Anonymous
The first Xenoblade game had such god tier music direction.
12 months ago
Anonymous
He's very introspective and reserved compared to Shulk and Rex, I can understand why a lot of people think he's boring. But in my opinion, a major part of the game serves as a character study for Noah (and N). He's played as a straight-laced, no-nonsense hero type who's fighting for the good of the world, but in reality it's really just him forcing his world view on everyone who comes across his path to the point where it's almost selfish. This comes to a head with N where he succumbs to that desire, and again, force it on anyone who opposes him.
Noah might come off as a gary stu, partly because N is already a neatly wrapped package of his whole character flaw. He learns from his mistake of past lives and uses it as a stepping stone to affirm his conviction of setting the world free, even at the cost of people getting hurt and killed.
12 months ago
Anonymous
>He's very introspective and reserved compared
sure but we dont really get to hear a lot of his thoughts so we are just left with a boring character
12 months ago
Anonymous
Which of his thoughts would you like to hear more about? Everything that was shown in game are the only ones that need known for the player. He thinks the world as a cruel and unjust place, and yet it's their world all the same. When given the power to do something about it, he does.
Matthew's very similar in philosophy, except more outspoken and brash. I can understand why he's much more well-received than Noah reading through the posts in XC3 threads.
12 months ago
Anonymous
It doesnt need to be major plot related could just be little things
How the actual frick can you play through an ending like this and claim that the game doesn’t have any heart?
thats from the dlc which was actually good
End of chapter 5 is literally the most emotional scene in the series
>dogshit character designs >mcs don't make up for it by being interesting >villains don't make up for it, instead are saturday morning cartoon villains >environments are significantly worse than 2 >music is significantly worse than 1 and 2 >no towns just abysmal camps >hype up the merging of 1 and 2s worlds >does absolutely nothing with it except a shitty poppy cameo and revealing nia is a cuckqueen >horrendous storytelling like silver haired b***h and fire head homosexual having a 'muh samurai honor' fight in the middle of the shitty mcs and shitty villains fighting >despite being similar to 1 and 2, combat is painfully slow especially when you use a chain attack
>hype up the merging of 1 and 2s worlds >does absolutely nothing with it
Continuing on the Noah's ark reference, we could have had a "storm" of apocalyptic proportions, with both XB1 and XB2 world's landmarks or characters phasing in an out of existence, time and space paradoxes (I'm thinking of chrono cross' dead sea as an example) and a lot of pretty cool environment designs, and old and new cast trying to make everyone board the ark. Instead, the merge already happened, the story is mostly about who control the boat, and environments amount to big holes in land. I'm furious about this waste of potential.
Why are you frickers like this? What the frick is there to talk about? The season pass is done. There's no more content. That's the fate of most games.
NTA but >Scene where the angus and keves party members meet, try to kill eachother, then forcibly work together >Eunie confronting her previous killer >Every scene N is in >Ethel and Cammuravi killing eachother >Noah thinking to use lucky 7 on clock for the first time >Mio’s existential dread scene followed up by the flute swap >Mio punching O & P before screaming at them >Lanz and Sena trying to kill N via annihilation >The party learning how babies are made/how precious life is >the entire ending sequence >hero quests having voiced cutscenes that are just as good as main story (Triton is a highlight for me) >Nia awakening after being shot by D >Riku being the best nopon the series has ever had >Noah and Mio, a jrpg couple, actually kissing and in a previous life canonically fricked and had a kid
>Scene where the angus and keves party members meet, try to kill eachother, then forcibly work together
Incredibly rushed. You cannot deny this. >Eunie confronting her previous killer
Goes nowhere. D isn't like her rival character, and the notion of previous copies also goes nowhere. >Every scene N is in
Not really. Just the breakdown scene. >Ethel and Cammuravi killing eachother
Ruined retroactively when they're brought back due to stupid shit. >Noah thinking to use lucky 7 on clock for the first time
Good moment, but fails to follow through. >Mio’s existential dread scene followed up by the flute swap
I don't know what this is referring to...I think. You mean the one at the ruined building? >Mio punching O & P before screaming at them
Ruined retroactively when Mio's super strength is literally never used again. >Lanz and Sena trying to kill N via annihilation
I'll allow it, but it could be better. >The party learning how babies are made/how precious life is
More cringekino than anything, also baby propaganda for otakus. >the entire ending sequence
Lol >hero quests having voiced cutscenes that are just as good as main story (Triton is a highlight for me)
LOL >Nia awakening after being shot by D
Funny, but no. >Riku being the best nopon the series has ever had
Deus ex. >Noah and Mio, a jrpg couple, actually kissing and in a previous life canonically fricked and had a kid
Not really them though. The game hounds on this.
Silver hair b***h and fire head homosexual is one of the worst things I've ever had to witness in a story you dumb moron. Especially when the villains just stand there watching, and the mcs are just going huh? wuh? to those 2 morons fighting
Being Shulk is pure suffering >Go through long journey for revenge then to kill the Bionis >When becoming God only want is a world with no Gods >New world has Gods >Wife, son, friends are dead save for Reyn/Sharla's angry daughter and Kino's ultra masculine son >Not even Dunban is there >Alvis is back but has gone full schizo >Some homs cosplaying as Egil has the monado equivalent >Have to hold up world for 1000 years dealing with Rex and Alvis (A)'s shit while waiting for some dickhead homs with a cat fetish to kill Z
It's a good game but Coomers hate it and Ganker is 90% cooomers and you can't make trash threads for it like Blue Archive/Genshin/Nikker/other gacha trash.
XC3's message goes against alot of Ganker users lifestyles, its practically begging the player to touch grass, improve yourself and move on from stagnation
Yeah, that’s the entire point of the premise itself. Illustrating how stagnation corrupts the progression of life itself by pulling elements from the previous games and turning them on their head, morphing them into something lifeless and sterile in comparison to the beauty they held before.
It’s a narrative choice that provided a unique method of wordlessly showing the themes to the player. It’s fantastic
Every Xenoblade game’s world is a direct reflection of its themes. I’m not sure why it’s “shit” now when this principle of environmental design has existed since the first game.
I think it would've been cooler if they actually stuck to their guns and had Mio die for real at the end of chapter 5, and her spot in the party gets permanently replaced by a reformed M instead. This way, the emotional highs from her death would linger on and the stakes would become very personal all the way into the finale, as you no longer just fight to save the world from Moebius, but to take revenge on N, and maybe find a way to bring Mio back by wresting Origin from Z's control.
This is impossible because of the thing i wrote earlier
Also who the frick thought that inability to remove party members is a good thing?
This also completely destroys all drama and e.t.c because they're all have lines in sidequests, unlike prevoius games where it was random. In 3 you always know that all 6 characters always will be in a party, because game designers are idiots
This game absolutely fails to tie story and gameplay
They could simply make it so that you had to do all side content before infiltrating the prison. It's not like there's much story going on in chapter 6 anyway, you just find Origin parts for the boat.
>put a community lock in your main story
No thank you. While I agree that the story could have improved by integrating the other party member's side stories into the main story, being told you have to complete side content to progress would suck. It worked in X because the whole point of the side content was to chart Mira and expand your knowledge of the planet to find the Lifehold, but in this game it would go against the main story because by the time you reach the City Mio only has a few months left and she already b***hed out about Noah wasting everyone's time. They don't have much time to head back to Gamma to go walk around with Teach. Even worse is that it would all have to be before the prison section, so chapter 6 would still be a boring drag as well.
God FRICK YOU. Now you're just making me think of a final battle against N where he goes completely ballistic now that he has to fight M, we could've had MORE KINO DESPAIR
FRICK THIS GAY EARTH, FRICK TAKAHASHI FOR RUINING THIS GAME GOD FRICK SHIT
it reminds me a lot of 2's ending tbh >"oh you like that heartfelt goodbye and sacrifice huh?" >*5 minutes later* >"sike they're totally ok lmao did you cry like a b***h?? gottem"
God FRICK YOU. Now you're just making me think of a final battle against N where he goes completely ballistic now that he has to fight M, we could've had MORE KINO DESPAIR
FRICK THIS GAY EARTH, FRICK TAKAHASHI FOR RUINING THIS GAME GOD FRICK SHIT
Honestly wouldn’t utilize M’s role in the story, she’s there as a victim of N’s sick love and just wants to die, so her using her pre established power from the boss fight to swap was the better choice than this theoretical story. M giving her life to Mio is the biggest frick you to N than any revenge story like that could possibly have, everything he worked for was instantly lost, his only reason for even being in Moebius gone by her own choice while he unknowingly tortured the love of his life, not to mention such a story would just make Noah Shulk 2.0 with the revenge boner
I think it could work, because it would also make Noah a better protagonist. He's not with his Mio anymore, he has to deal with it. It would actively show him as being a better driving force than N, to show him that it IS possible to cope and live without your loved one. And then you tie it all together with either M sacrificing herself, and you get some spiel about how "we'll meet again some day, I know it" and whatever. Then cue the stinger shot of Noah and Mio and whoever finally being reunited in a merged world, different timeline, whatever.
Noah displays that he is entirely capable of living without his Mio in the ending where he and the rest of the party allows for the worlds to split once more. He has no idea if he’ll ever see her again, much less even remember her.
Having a stinger of Noah and Mio reuniting in the merged world would kill the message of the game. It’s pure wish fulfillment.
Well, devs haven't been too shy on copypasting in XC3 anyway.
N - Jin 2.0 (who was already being copied from Grahf);
Z and his pocket world with nothing beyond it - Zanza 2.0;
Consuls - Face mechons 2.0 (Whom were already being copied from Testaments);
D - Mumkhar 2.0 (but without any motivation whatsoever)
I wouldn't call it copypasting because their journey(Jin/N) or motivations(Z/Zanza) are entirely different but it is really close to retelling.
Jin entire motivation is vengeance for loss of loved one while N did what he did so he could be with one he love for whole eternity and after failing at that he have one great guilt trip filled with sorrow. While their character function in the story is similar their characters are completely different. Same with Zanza and Z, Z was people feelings given form and subconsciously abiding to people hidden desire for being able to stand in one moment for eternity while Zanza made ecosystem to be a god for whole eternity, same case with JIn and N, their character have same function but have entirely different motivation and source.
Every villain character with redemption arc or "big bad godlike existence" will be similar to some extent
Mumkhar motivation is complete garbage and hardly can be called that
>Sword of the End. Noah had it in all of his previous reincarnation. Has the sheath with the infinity symbol on it. Most likely connected to moebius. >Lucky 7. The sword which is made from origin metal with date of some dear people by Melia and Riku. She calls it the Sword of the End. Basically Monado III >Sword of the Origin (Noah). The sword which Noah pulls out from chest of his ouroboros. >Sword of the Origin (N). The sword which N got from Z. Has different sheath from Sword of the End.
Is that correct?
What are the swords of the Origin in that case?
how the frick did 2 have a good story
Malos and Jin are both morons, the torna squad are uninteresting garbage, and pyra is a personality vacuum
mythra's role is subsumed by pyra, and her personality boils down to "tsundere, lol"
rex is literally naruto
it's shit
>Malos and Jin are both morons,
doesnt make the story bad >he torna squad are uninteresting garbage
admittedly they aren't that great
>pyra is a personality vacuum
mythra's role is subsumed by pyra, and her personality boils down to "tsundere, lol"
no >rex is literally naruto
not really
>2 had a pretty good story
Wrong. I gave it another play through and its worse than I remember. It doesn't get good until they get to the world tree, everything is filler. From the giant maid Nendoroid boss battle, heading back to Rex's home on that shitty map, Indoline Praetorium refugee story. The Ending was so cheesy I rolled my eyes though. Worst ending
Xenoblade 2 is the only blade game with an actual world which is filled with lots of kingdoms, politics etc. so on the contraraly it's good that there is some amount of fillers. They are there to make the world feels more alive.
Anon, Xenoblade 1 was so generic outside of the whole "living on titans" aspect, if Akira Toriyama did the character design, it could have passed for a DragonQuest game.
I haven't played FR because for some reason they decided to release it a week before TotK released with no prior warning. I imagine a lot of people are in the same boat and want to avoid spoilers.
Cope. XC3 couldn't even overtake XC2 and thats with something like over 10 times the switch consoles in the wild compared to when XC2 released. TOTK leaked like almost 2 weeks before release and became the fastest selling Nintendo game ever.
I think that's the big thing. That there were WAY more Switches in the wild so it would make sense that 3 would outsell 2 easily enough, but so far as I know, it hasn't.
I really think that last chapter and ending, even if people didn't dislike it, kinda lost people's interest, so word of mouth didn't move the game as much.
XC3 has too much of a vague send-off to characters that we may never see again. If we're not going to see XC1 or XC2 characters again at least give us some glimpses of their lives before you move to whatever next chapter you're doing.
Takahashi leaned too much on being vague about a lot of things that a lot of players want to see even in regards to XC3 main cast fates. Which we only really know about is Noah childhood friends since Agnus XC3 cast didn't get anything on how their lives were before or after Aionios.
What are Blades in 3? Are they just feelings too? At first I thought they were fancy Iris technology that had come about over time, but then it becomes a will-based thing with characters like Nikol. The whole "Only killing with a Blade extracts life for the Flame Clock" is also weird, along with the fact that these aren't all just pre-made weapons. Rex can manifest Blades that resemble the Aegis Swords, but are clearly not. They lack the Zohar and have more design differences. So it's not really their swords, it's the manifestation of Rex's feelings for them that resembles their original swords. And if they're manifested feelings, it's Origin that makes them possible.
in Torna they actually tried to expand the old characters and trying to make it fitting the new ones aside the combat was better than xenoblade 2
in the XB3 dlc is just pure fanservice, that is not even that good, the fact one of rex children's is missing means they're gonna milk him in the next game like a disney movie
Monolith has enough distinct characters to just do some all stars game with half of them at this point. Throw in kos-mos and there you go. If it sells well, then on the second round you try and do some game that ties into a past title main setting more. It's literally what they did with both the Zelda and FE musou games.
ehhh Zelda's canon is more flexible, I don't really think that idea would work for Xenoblade
12 months ago
Anonymous
I don't think these random spin-offs are considered canon anywhere really. Which is mostly my point, keep the past game fanservice away from mainline. Less confusing and allows for a better plot without moronic ret-con shit "oh guys yeah uh we actually always uh planned this plot twist right from the uh first game pls believe teehee".
12 months ago
Anonymous
none of the Zelda or Fire Emblem games are canon to each other except the ones that are direct sequels like OOT/MM, BOTW/TOTK, and the Tellius games. Xenoblade 1-3 is a continuous story. That's why I don't think a non-canon spin off would work
We're talking about it right now
Also, Zelda wiped off discussion of any non-Zelda game until FFXVI came out
Anyway, I liked it a lot. Pretty good JRPG
Need to replay the series from start to finish to figure out which one I like most
I liked the base game but then playing the DLC really brought parts of the story and gameplay I really disliked but initially glossed over to my attention. Seeing everyone praise that tepid shit as the second coming of christ just because Shulk was in it really didn't help.
speak for yourself. XB2 was shit and left a bad taste for the franchise for me since then. 3 fixed most of the issues I had with 1 and 2. Also, engage is a step in the right direction.
X3 was boring as hell Narrative wise and tedious gameplay wise, absolutely hated having to switch classes every two seconds between every single party member. There should've been a randomizer to just auto do that for you. I played for like 10-15 hours before just dropping it.
Engage is the step in right direction only in reducing bussy work(somniel vs academy) and gameplay department. Story is bland as frick and I find most of character designs either forgettable or pants on head moronic. Overall it is better game than 3trannies but it is not very high bar when you recall that gameplay in 3h was so shit it can be hardly called a TRPG/strategy game, it is more of a visual novel with those games elements
How? It's one of the most blatant shounen power fantasy like of xeno games
12 months ago
Anonymous
You have to understand that for a lot of "people", "anime" begins and ends with something's artstyle, regardless of story structure, themes and tone.
12 months ago
Anonymous
Xenoblade 1 had a "realistic" artstyle. I would blame the dub as well but even English Shulk is pretty much a shounen protag, though Dunban did get changed from a chuuni to more of a mentor type.
12 months ago
Anonymous
I feel the presentation on how Shulk is voiced in Japanese compared to how he is voiced in English makes them two different characters. Shulk in Japanese sounds much more wimpy ,hesitant, and overly polite compared to how more confident sounding Adam Howden makes him be. Even at Shulk lowest moments when he is breaking down Adam Howden never makes Shulk sounds pathetic as he does in those moments like his Japanese VA does .
If Shulk was more voiced to be more close to his Japanese VA performance of the character I doubt he would've been liked by a western audience. He would be seen too much as a wimpy boy that isn't good for self-inserting into.
Engage is great from a purely gameplay perspective, easily the 3rd or 4th best game in series. Its just the writing and character designs are shit. Plus 3H attracted a ton of persona gays who only wanted another highschool dating sim with a bit of strategy game that they could just grind and auto battle through tacked on. Engage is literally the exact opposite of what those people wanted. Unfortunately I think they'll learn the wrong lessons from Engage's failure and we'll never get another FE with good gameplay again.
>Engage is great from a purely gameplay perspective
So is XC3. Everyone's complaints about it boil down to them not liking the story or characters, or thinking it's "censored." No one complains about the gameplay
I don't like the gameplay as much as XC2 because swapping classes around the whole party makes every character feel even more generic and less distinct than they did in XC2 where you could already swap Blades with a great degree of freedom. The Chain Attack system in 3 also feels much more shallow since you no longer need to build up shit on the target like you did in 2, which made you consider party composition more in order to get a strong Chain Attack.
What's the worst thing however is how the game doesn't allow you to unlock classes if you end up overleveled. I started playing it on release, did a bunch of side quests which got me to like double the level I "should" have been. When I went to resume the main story, I quickly found out that it was impossible to unlock classes from new heroes I met and basically all my party progression was frozen. I got bored of this crap and stopped playing like halfway through the game.
Granted, if the world or the characters or the story were super interesting, maybe I would have pushed through anyway - but it was definitely the gameplay which got me bored out of my mind. Never happened in XC1 or XC2, but neither of those game were so poorly thought out as this one.
Xenoblade 3 was a good game so discord shitposters didn't have anything to latch onto.
Even the black party member was based and bbc spammers didn't get the replies they wanted.
>Game naturally feels out of relevance like every game after a few months >Not loaded with coombait and otaku tropes like 2 so you can't fill up endless off-topic threads with porn >This confuses 2 onlies, and makes them think Xenoblade 3 was a bomb
Probably asked in this thread but what the frick is the tribalism in these threads? >I love 2's boobies, takahashi is a hack!!!111! >Xenogears is the only good game to ever be made by humanity >Xenoblade 1 was K I N O >Xenoblade X is forgotten! Please remember! >Xenoblade 3 is shakespearian art >Positive comments about Xenosaga that isnt Xenosaga 3
I dont get it, why the shitflinging? its not proving anything to anyone
What is the best custom difficulty settings for 2 if you want something that is extremely hard, but isn't so strict not to let you try various options?
Basically want the broken strategies to be disabled.
Yes, each wave has been available for a week only.
The first 5 waves came out with XC3 and had characters from the game, these new 5 waves have had other characters from XC3/FR plus characters from XC1 and 2.
The current wave going on right now is the last, and has N, M, Z, Triton plus the unmasked Queens and their Hero outfits.
I always forget this custom icon thing exists, and I always learn about icons I like months after they release. I don't want to buy nintendos shitty online anymore anyways, smash got too frustrating. please tell me they rerun these
Other games have had reruns (Fire Emblem Engage is getting one right now), but Xenoblade hasn't.
The "rerun" Xenoblade got was it getting a completely new set of icons, and that one is finishing this Thursday.
Honestly my personal hang up with 3 the more I think about it is I just plain don't like the core story, themes, and world.
The whole Eternal Now, two armies unwittingly pit against each other for years by a shadow government, child soldiers who know not of life's pleasures, a world that can't grow beyond it's means and is slowly dying...
All things that sound interesting, and the previous games even did as well, yet for 3 it all felt like the worst version of these concepts. It's biggest crime was it was boring. I had to force myself to finish it. And while I might have enjoyed the DLC while I played it, I still don't really care about the Founders' plight. We learned all we really needed to know from the base game.
yeah what was the point of the war? if you wanted to keep people here forever with out them rebelling why not give peaceful lives or keep them on drugs or someshit
The only reason things went south in Xenoblade 1 is because Zanza couldn't cope with death. He got to be God of a world for hundreds, maybe even thousands of years, but once people got wanderlust and thus he wouldn't be able to reincorperate their life essence into himself and the Bionis, he decided to start pre-culling them.
Xenoblade X is the peak of the series. You can tell with how much effort went into it it is what takahashi wants to make. An MMOlite like Destiny 2 in Xenoblade X's world with the music of the most expensive japanese composer in all of gaming, Hiroyuki Sawano. Yeah, that already sounds 10x better than this slop called Xenoblade 1 2 and 3
peak of the series in what sense? The world/exploration is the best but everything else falls flat. Even the side quests are trumped by XC3 and its DLC now.
Generic boring soldiers who's only character arc is reeee my comrade died and i remembering him all game
Noah - Crys
Mio - Miyabi
Lanz - Joran
Taion - Nimue
Sena was just forgotten by the writters
The only one of them who had an original arc was Eunie with "rape" memories, but it goes basically to nowhere
Nah, 3's party is great and the best in the series, and only gets mogged by the DLC party.
I'd personally say they're my least favorite party out of the numbered series.
Even in 1, I loved Shulk, Reyn, Melia, Dunban, and Riki. Fiora and Sharla bounce well off the other members.
Meanwhile, in 3 I like Eunie, Taion, Riku and Manana. Lanz has his moments, But Mio, Noah, and Sena all put me to sleep. Despite trying so hard to be quirky and energetic, Sena is super forgettable.
I don't know how anyone shit on Sena while praising Sharla in the sentence. She's the most forgettable party member in the entire xeno series, barring Rico.
Yeah, and that's pretty much all interactions she gets outside of a few heart to hearts. 3's party has much more active banter throughout the entire game, and throughout sidequests where they get to banter off the other heroes as well. I genuinely do not get how anyone could say 3's party isn't the best in terms of banter and party interactions.
I'm sorry you have shit taste or skipped through all of the banter then
Same.
One convo I remember a lot is this one where the party is talking about Colony 11's Ferronis being shaped like a snake while Eunie is getting more and more upset since she doesn't like them, until eventually she just flips out at them.
For me it's pretty much any time the party talks about Ashera and her goons
Same.
One convo I remember a lot is this one where the party is talking about Colony 11's Ferronis being shaped like a snake while Eunie is getting more and more upset since she doesn't like them, until eventually she just flips out at them.
>The protagonist is a male teen with a red sword. His initial worldview is flawed and naive. Over the course of the game he learns to understand others better and to trust the future
Who am I describing?
>Origin >Logos >Ultima saying "Our ark. Your architect."
I know ideas and language aren't copyrightable, but HEH.
Actually isn't Origin surrounded by clouds too in this game?
cause it got dat BBC
Released too close to Zelda
And what's funny is that Three Hopes released too close to Xenoblade 3 (base game) so I barely got to enjoy it. I like F!Shez.
Its boring
Because it is boring and not fun.
tpbp
What is there to talk about? The journey started and it ended, people are looking forward to the Xenosaga ties-in, that's it.
>Oh but people still talk about Xenoblade 2!!
No they don't, they just post pictures.
xenoblade 2 is still the best selling xeno game.
cope,seethe and dilate
still sells less than cod
>still sold less than xeno 1
>xeno 2 torna sold literally 0
i mean alone that torna sold nothing just shows ppl dont give a shit about xeno 2
Dude, torna was a part of the season pass. 80% of players played torna through it, me included
I liked the game, but the story is a complete shitshow, both base and dlc, save a few great moments. Dont feel like talking about it
I do, but usually only to complain about how awful it was.
You're seeing firsthand what a shitty ending does to a game. God that ending was like a bad, unfinished handjob.
It was simply not a very good game. It was padded to hell and back.
Honestly once Noah and Mio reunited the game had emotionally and narratively peaked. The twist was fantastic and the game chose to limp on for a further 15-20 hours. The pacing is all over the place before and after this but honestly that 2 hour long stint from the prison segment to the reunion was 100% kino and made everything else worth it.
And then the game just kind of continues.
because it was a single player game with conclusion, people moved on
Not to mention that only single-player games that get discussed many years later are either defining in gameplay or story conclusion is based on conflict that have clashing of values or moral dilemma than story itself hence people still discuss if arthas was right to purge the city or if what edeltard done was justified but no one discuss elysium twist in xb 2 because it is just closed event you experienced and there is nothing to add
I think that the biggest mistake was that origin was full of empty hallways of trash fights, it was too long for it's own good and fights with x and y had so lackluster dialogues it was sad
Worst final boss and honestly one of the worst big bads I've ever seen in a JRPG
I like Z more than most of XC1's villains honestly
As a villain, Zed is not as good as Malos but still much better than Zanza. As an actual boss, he's easily the best boss of all 6 final bosses.
Z>Malos w/Siren>Alpha>Zanza>Malos w/Aion>Fog King
>As an actual boss, he's easily the best boss of all 6 final bosses.
No he fricking isn't, he's literally just a giant head
I was speaking mechanically, he's the best designed boss fight. But actually, now that I think about it, he's really only behind Malos and Siren design wise, he's got a clean design as the giant head, meanwhile Zanza, and Aion, and Alpha all look like visual diarrhea. And then Fog King is just a big black blob.
The final boss is objectively the best in the series on a pure spectacle level, Malos is a better character but Z is still better than Zanza, who needed an entire extra game to make him not a shit villain. Z is an embodiment of an idea, him being one dimensional made sense
>is objectively the best in the series on a pure spectacle level,
no that would be zanza
Zanza has just an empty hallway with old bosses and two phases, Z has his initial phase in the theater, all the heroes showing up including Melia and Nia who werent heroes prior, then final phase all with a grandscale war going on in the background. I like 1's final Zanza fight but 3 pulled out all the stops for its finale
3's last chapter and a half were a wet fart in a series that escalates immensely at that point in the stories. Future redeemed made a lot of the story aspects better but it released 9 months later and at a time where switch software sales are slumped. Best thing we have now is to wait for 4 in ~2026
wrong
I talk about xc3 all the time. It's my favorite jrpg.
Xc3 is the best jrpg since ffx
Here's your postgame story dlc bros, hope you enjoy
>no i will not explain anything, it just happens
Yeah...thanks takahashi...
It was said in the base game: after Noah and co broke the endless now both world successfully merged. That was shown by Noah hearing Mio's flute at the end.
In the DLC Takahashi went out of his way beat you over the head with it: 2 planets passed each other, then merged.
What else do you need explained?
If they could merge, why didnt they from the start? What does merging even entrails, did the whole 2 universe merge or just 2 planets. What happened to people living on those planets when they merged. It explained jack shit. Everything about the dlc is poorly thought out, hey wouldnt it be cool if writing
Xenoblade 1 and 2 are about beating the god and humanity forging their own path.
Xenoblade 3 is about the aftermath: humans are left to fend for themselves. When an event occurs that might result in total annihilation, they freeze in fear resulting in creation of Mobius. The moral of XB3 is to forge ahead even if the future is uncertain and that results in the happy end where both planets merge.
>did the whole 2 universe merge or just 2 planets
Does that matter?
The split Kalus caused with his experiment got mended.
>What happened to people living on those planets when they merged.
They're all thogether now. And people from the City are reborn there, as was spelled out at the end of XB3.
Have you even played the DLC (or finished it?). It litteraly explained almost everything not clear from the base game, even if you are a 15 years old moron. Like what truly happens to the people from the City after death (and why they evaporate) and it even clearly expands the end of X3 by litteraly showing the planets merging after 2 flashes of color (which were from Mio and Noah) litteraly seconds after Noah teleported (which was also clearly shown).
Man I don't know how you play games, but you will need to focus a bit more if you're playing story driven games. But since you seems to hate it, I guess that's why.
Congrats, you recapped what happened in the game without actually explaining any of it. Xenoblade 3 storytelling is perfect for midwits like you, shit happening without rhyme or reason, but its cool and pretends its 2deep4you so its great
Why would I explain it? I'm not here to hold you hand.
Just go play the game, it's 20-30h. My point is that it is LITTERALY NOT 2deep4you because they are explaining everything to the players, as if they were morons (which sounds like you were, since you understood nothing).
You wont explain, because you cant
>y-you didnt play the game!
Cope moron
How do I get to that screen
Hack your switch and get nx activity log
>Hack your switch
Nah I like playing online
>have that exact same feature on the 3DS
>remove it for the Switch
fricking Nintendo man
what is that screen
So you are a moron.
>why didnt they from the start
The original goal of Origin is to be a backup when the worlds collide. The backup contains souls and memories of people using several technologies from both world (i.e: core crystal). They were never supposed to stay on the same world originally, just to drift appart.
IIRC this was explained in the base game by the way.
The question fans asked themselves at the end of X3 was: what the frick happened? Even if base game did show a bit of world merging, it was not sure.
So that's where the DLC is. You asked: why did they not merge since the beginning? It's almost the same question as: Why is Matthew not destroying Moebius after the DLC?
Because this is a game motivation by wills, and they are inside ORIGIN, stored as MEMORIES and WILLS.
If you are meeting strangers, do you want to stay with them forever? No. But Noah and Mio longed for eachother across a thousand lives (my number here is bullshit before you call it like a moron).
THIS IS what you see at the end of the DLC, something that was not in the base game. Well I don't remember exactly the order but it was like that :
- Noah hears Mio's tune and he disappears: except in the DLC, it is much more clear as you can directly see it
- You see our solar system, 2 planets (blurry/invisible) separating
- (Meanwhile, you have the song from the same singer as the older xeno games)
- each planets resonate in blue and green: wow what if they were related to Ouroboros??? And maybe specific characters???
- Merge
So here in this case, you are in a game of WILLS (and even more, since it seems tied to Xenosaga which is basically WILLS: the universe), 2 peoples who had access to multiple shenanigan (pneuma's gauntlet, malot shit, Alvis stuff, descendant of ...) LONGED for each other, even after having their memories (?) reset since the loops ended.
So, here we are, congrats! You played 150h for nothing as you understood nothing.
Also, to double down: You literaly understood nothing of the main plot if your question was "Why didn't they do it from the start".
XC3 story is nonsensical garbage, do not try to find something in it.
>If they could merge, why didnt they from the start?
the energy generated from the planets colliding was supposed to power origin, but the collision was stopped by mobeus/origin itself. It's only after beating Z that the process resumes
The experience of being on Aionios taught the people of the worlds to interlink
That's why they shine blue and yellow before merging after Future Redeemed: the worlds are actually interlinking into something that won't explode
But interlinking can only be done when your emotions are at a peak, whereas Aionios was created from the fear of the future that defined Moebius keeping Origin from doing anything
>both world successfully merged. That was shown by Noah hearing Mio's flute at the end.
You don't see Noah's world change. You just hear the flute and he disappears.
Of course if you're tuned in to Takahashi's sense of storytelling, you'll understand he's pulling some bullshit that rows back on an earlier emotional scene.
>"One day, I'll come and see you!"
>One minute later...
>What else do you need explained?
Melia and Nia's tax policy.... also possibly the identity of rex's third child, the one that didn't got any name or spotlight compared to M/mio and glimmer , would be appreciated
Rex and his bawds already got the best possible ending out of all the characters. Why can't you just be happy with that?
anon, just wanting to know where and what the third child was doing in the meanwhile.....also more DadREx jokes.
>also more DadREx jokes.
cringe
>just wanting to know where and what the third child was doing in the meanwhile
not like it matters after the ending
>What else do you need explained?
Why Melia chose to be eternal virgin.
>End of the story spanning thousands of years of conflict against impossible odds
>Finally, the world is saved. Everyone lives happily ever after.
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I NEED ANOTHER CONFLICT
that's not the point of the game... they beat you on you head countless times about the fact that conflicts will always happen regardless of what time period you are in, what kind of world you're living in, what you're fighting, it doesn't matter. at the end of the day people will fight each other, and that's okay, just make the most out of it. the new merged world will eventually give way to more petty squabbles, that's just how it is.
the complaints about the game is that it's uncharacteristically vague given all their other games, with a penchant for overexplaining stuff. naturally people came to expect the same level of detail in this, but they didn't.
It lives in your head rent-free, though?
no free updates, no custom difficulty, no very hard, no new classes, literally nothing except for the Pythra amiibo update which will launch in July and will add Pythra's sword
Because it's a linear JRPG and everybody beaten it already?
Both previous Xeno games ended 'poorly', with elements that were not fully resolved, and people went to the internet to argue about shit like melia's relationship with shulk or how the frick pyra and mythra are supposed to work in the ending. XC3 ties everything up too tightly, and there's not really any loose ends to argue about.
It was mediocre no matter what the shills tell you.
All titles before it were talked about for years after.
Its pretty obvious, happens with alot of games now.
Games being hyped up before and a few weeks after release. Anybody who points bad stuff out is being ridiculed and pushed out the thread.
The best part of XB3 was the music for me but even that was a bit less memorable than the previous titles.
Just really really mediocre, I was glad when it was over.
Thats what happens if you try to appeal to everybody and not offend anybody.
Cause no waifu pandering so that means no autists dedicated to keeping the threads alive. Game was fun and the story explains it's self beside that dlc ending.
One thing I don't get about the dpc's ending, how the hell did Shulk and Rex miss what Z had been doing up until then. When they leave one of them says they believe "Z might start trying to take over" but he already was the one running the entire world and orchestrating a war with his Mobius army for what had to have been hundreds of years by then.
>dpc
*dlc
/we/ played it and beat it. It was good but a bit too fanservicey on the xenoblade stuff but you could also just make the argument that it makes sense since its a uh fricking xenoblade game but also the plot is straight out of one of those musou tie-in games where its like WOOOAH what is character doing here theyre here because all of the dimensions got merged woahhh epic epic epic
Also it didnt have any legendary coom-worthy designs like Pythra or Ryza so they dont get the softcore porn spam threads eitehr
>continuing a game that should've been left alone
I wonder why...
Cause 1 and 2 left a pretty big cliffhangers about whatever new world both protagonist would have to face heading towards the future.
1 didn't.
It literally did with Alvis talking about the new world and people Shulk will meet or something like that.
quite vague your cliffhanger.
Yeah just like Xenoblade 3 and Future Redeemed. Being vague or implying shit is pretty standard for xeno games.
I disagree; x1's ending was perfectly balanced.
I'm not saying it wasn't but it also left the door open for whatever else they wanted to do in the future. Most wouldn't consider it a cliffhanger unless you wanted to see more and understand what Alvis meant.
that's the thing. it wasn't needed since the game was conclusive enough. XenoX was the better approach in that regard.
What do you even want in an ending. You want to know each details of their life for every years until their death? You have your conclusion here: the worlds merged, citizens will be reborn, no more evil Alvis and you even got some ties with Xenosaga.
Litteraly what do you want more ? You want to see the next evil dude right without understanding anything? I bet you are the type of people who clapped in a Marvel's post ending scene because there was Thanos.
You are delusional.
I didn't mind any of the endings besides 3 cause too much shit was left unexplained and uncertain. All the other endings just told the players that a new future was waiting in the new world. They left it up to your imagination until 3 came out and future redeemed just left it vague enough again for you to imagine what happened to the merged world.
>XenoX was the better approach in that regard.
Yeah it was. Still coping for more.
It was a bad game, simple as.
Tendies will try to cope but it's simply the truth. Dogshit combat, dogshit world, dogshit ending .
There has literally been Xeno 3 and Xeno related threads every fricking WEEK you goddamn moron. There was literally one either yesterday or a few days ago comparing the scores to FF16. What the frick is the point of this thread trying to accomplish?
It fricking sucks
Compared to 1 and 2 the character designs got way worse, the gameplay got worse, the music got worse, the art style got worse, the environment got a lot worse and less interesting to explore, and the music isn't nearly as good.
>character designs got way worse
really? I think the guy improved a ton in terms proportions and color choices, nothing really comically stand out now in relation to the world like Rex's blue and Nia's yellow from before. he also seemed to have figured out a nice balance for a unifying style to apply for all three games, all the returning characters look great and there's no Nomura (and other guest artists) this time to make characters look like they're Kingdom Hearts rejects so it's more consistent.
The characters all have darker lower bodies. This is so that they would be able to exchange their upper halves with each other without it looking absolutely ridiculous.
The downside to this is that all the characters have very bland, forgettable designs.
you mean for when they change jobs? I was mostly referring to their overall appearance rather than just their outfits, and I wouldn't really go as far as to say they're forgettable but they are a bit more down to earth. but a more reserved designed is preferable than an offensive one in my opinion.
again, the easiest way to judge this aspect is to take a look at the returning characters. it doesn't necessarily have to be just their clothes since it's obviously different, but their anatomy, facial structure and expressions, how they look in the context of the world and other characters, etc.. Melia, Nia, Rex and Shulk (and Glimmer) are all upgrades from where they came from imo. I can appreciate Xenoblade 2 being more vibrant and fantastical with the designs but I much prefer the more uniform aesthetics in 3.
>Compared to 1 and 2 the character designs got way worse
how can someone be so fricking wrong.
Because it's shit. and I say that as someone who loved the first two games warts and all. story is a complete incoherrent mess and then the dlc is just nostalgia slop the whole way through while fixing none of the core issues of the main story that it absolutely could have fixed.
It was a censored and pozzed game.
What is left to discuss?
>Maleshits everywhere
No wonder JP games are so cancerous
Old man Shulk and Roid-Rex were literally peak jrpg party members ever. Matthew also had more personality than any other main character in the series, including Shulk and Rex in their own games.
Because it was a fantastic game up to Swordmarch, then the story lost steam, combat had no new mechanics and very few of the sidequests had anything interesting to them. In Xeno 2 I did every superboss because I wanted to challenge myself, in 3 the combat felt less engaging since I could take all the time in the world to kill the mob.
Is 3 worth playing? I tried to play 2 but I really can't get into it. The combat seems interesting but also incredibly slow to start and get into. The story also seems interesting but isn't really going anywhere at the moment.
If you didnt like 2s gameplay no, its similar and personally i think inferior to 2s. As for the story, you can enjoy 3s base game without any knowledge of the series, even though i dont think its worth playing for the story alone if you never played any of the previous titles
3 is my favorite in the series and i had the least complaints on it compared to 1, 2, and X. I say if you finished 1 or X, it will be similar in that field.
3 has worse story and combat, the only thing it does better is the QoL improvements and much better side quests(that end up being better than majority of the main story), but 2 is better otherwise. 3 also has even worse and slower start, its not until late chapter 3 when the game opens up, and chapter 4-5 is when it gets good but only briefly, most of it is not good. But if you are asking if you should skip to 3, then the answer is no
That anime hair on the left is the most moronic shit i‘ve ever seen
>shulk's hair
>most moronic shit ever seen
You haven't seen some of Nomura's designs, have you
Check out Seymour from FFX. Still haven't heard a lore reason for this guy's hair looking like this.
The Guado all have bizarre antler hair.
His veins or some shit is in his hair
t. Never made it past riku rejoining
Guado are weird tree people, they've all got crazy hair and exposed veins to evoke the imagery of branches and roots
The frick? Shulk's hair is just a normal long blond hair. Worst thing is when the anime hair is just a mix of red and blue. That always will look moronic.
Because we already discussed everything what was worth of discussion.
I have to admit XC3 is a masterpiece and the only actually completely good Xeno game. It's weird considering it has the worst environments and soundtrack but the rest is just so good.
Its garbage which killed the series.
No physical release: no buy.
It ended. All the mysteries are solved and everything is tied together. The big stinger is that it was Perfect Works episode 1 all along (immediately obvious since it takes place on the original Earth). Now all the mystery is on X.
what is there to talk about
unlike 2 where people just spammed softcore porn about the blades 3 doesn't have that kind of fanbase and the game is now over a year old with the DLC also like a month or two old
don't force discussion for no reason
because it was a major step down from 2 and had an extremely shitty ending
The correct way to improve on 2 was to remove the gacha system and make all the blades recruitable from quests
Nothing new to discuss until the next game.
Only Nintendo fans care about, You're a minority.
I love the games but why the frick would I keep talking about it? It's not a GaaS, it's not an online game. It's a done game, I spent the 3 months chilling the frick out with my Xeno General bros, I'm good to move onto something else.
moron
True, XC3 is even worse than sequels. At least sequels is not a filler garbage and actually moves story forward
moron
This is kind of accurate, tbh.
Return of the Jedi has great opening, shit mid, kino climax (Luke surrendering to save his friends) and good ending
I like 2 & 3 but I think 1 is extremely overrated. The game is incredibly boring until you get to the other titan and the plot actually moves.
>overrated
Reddit is the other way.
>1 is extremely overrated
So the first game didn't pass the zoomer filter.
Sad.
Future Connected was indeed a foreshadowing of what's to come
>worse combat than xc1
Now that just being contrarian. XC1 has by far the worst combat in the series
I played 40 minutes of Future Connected then it hit me like "oh." and I realised the plot wasn't going to get better and the gameplay systems were already plateaued
People need to understand what epilogue means.
Future Connected is perfectly fine as it is.
I'd say it's one of the best epilogues in any game, not that many even have one.
I liked it.
Funnily enough it's the only Xenoblade without romance or romance bait.
FR doesn't have romance either.
This is why I wrote rommance bait (A and Matt, Glimmer and Nikol)
None of those are romance bait. There's no romantic tension there at all.
Glimmer and Nikol aren't even romance bait. They have zero romantic hints with each other and they literally married other people, as stated by their founder statues
Black person what? It's pretty obvious A and Matthew's relationship is 100% platonic and Glimmer and Nikol literally go on to found to entirely different houses and there's zero romantic tension between either of them. The "bait" is nowhere but in your deranged brain. You sure you're not a fujo?
A lot of people thought and some still think that they are a thing.
If they weren't the protagonists' kids then those people wouldn't even care.
>He doesn't know about Teelan and Tyrea shota sexcapade
Also who the frick thought that inability to remove party members is a good thing?
This also completely destroys all drama and e.t.c because they're all have lines in sidequests, unlike prevoius games where it was random. In 3 you always know that all 6 characters always will be in a party, because game designers are idiots
Even Xenoblade 2 had a moment, where Pyra was gone from the party although the game makes you think that she always be with you because you can't unequip her from blade slot in the original playthrough.
The same with fiora in 1.
And in 3 it was...mwamba? This was the most predictable and boring death i ever saw. And basically all xc3 is like this.
>they're all have lines in sidequests, unlike prevoius games where it was random
Thank fricking god. Its also the reason why the sidequests arent utter shit
Maybe because the game isn't all that popular? Last I heard the game didn't sell all that well compared to the average switch exclusive
>LGBT shit
>blacked shit
wowowow based japan!
Also the most cringest line in a games ever made:
"If Logos was a male persona and Pneuma was a female then Ontos meant to be something in between"
Logos was a male because Amalthus was gay (because he is a pop) and Pneuma was a female because Addam was thinking about blond girl with huge boobs.
this seems to me a more reasonable explanation, which actually in line with xc2 lore
Xeno combat is so shit
XC2 is great once you understand how it works
Yeah, xb2's is the best, but still not great. The thing I like about it is that the real time combat actually matters. Having to setup and work towards a good chain attack whit the orbs is cool.
In xb1 and especially 3, anything other than chain attacks are a complete waste of time.
But the one thing that plagues all of them is the fact the nothing ever changes. It doesn't matter if you're level 8 fighting some rabbit or level 70 fighting a robot or max level fighting a superboss dragon, every battle playes out the exact same way and it's so mind numbing
>nothing ever changes
I had this realisation in 3 when you are fighting with M and N. After that it started to feel soo boring, especially ouroboros combat, it's just an absolute shit.
I didn't like Skell combat, but after ouroboros it's just feels like a good battle system with lots a variety.
She'll combat is the worst kind of combat out of any xenoblade game
This. Even the one that I "like" that being Xenoblade 2's combat is still not great.
I liked the short range/long range shit they did in Xenoblade X as there were ways to speed it up. 2/3 don't feel good to play, particularly in the early game.
It's a year old single player game. All the DLC is done. There's a Xeno general on /vg/. Ganker threads are full of dedicated shitposters. Why would we keep talking about it here?
It just didn't have the same impact as 2
This also the point. Xenoblade 1 was not meant to be Xeno game, it was just a jrpg which original name was "Monado: Beginning of the World"
And in XC2 devs told that there is no connection to the first game, like it was with Final Fantasy games and when you played XC2 it really felt like it, it was a complete different game. And because of it the absolutely mad twists at the end felt even more insane. And especially with Zohar at the end which just said that this series is part of Xeno now.
And after XC2, when the mystery is gone, i expected for them to go all out in XC3. But it was just a XC1/XC2 ripoff without new interesting concepts and ideas and the story itself just sits in one place, without moving forward.
They set the stage for a big new Rex adventure at the end of XC2 but just didn't want to commit apparently. At the same time they also didn't want to leave the XC1/2 baggage behind and even went ahead and made FR. It's a mess and I hope they do move far away from it all now and actually start with a clean slate.
I think that they should've just made XC3 a straight sequel with the actual Shulk and Rex kids as main protagonists or just part of the main party. Without all this simulaton bullshit which just seems like a copy of XC1
>with the actual Shulk and Rex kids as main protagonists
I don't. Nikol and Glimmer are boring nothingburger characters
Nikol could be good as MC though.
>
>muh generic shyboy self insert who is seemingly unphased by the cruelties of war
Yeah man, he definitely would've been interesting.
Because it's not Shulk and Rex kids, it's just a generic soldiers with their look. This story point is so bad i don't even want to talk about it.
And i didn't said about them specificaly, could've been the entire different people, like in this Xenoblade 3 early concept art
Also
>High entia with blond hairs
huh
Shulk and Tyrea's kid.
>it's not Shulk and Rex kids, it's just a generic soldiers with their look.
Doesn't really matter because they'd still have the same personalities in the real world. Lanz and Sena are still meatheads, Valdi is still a mecha autist, Dirk is still a psycho serial killer, etc
>set the stage for a big new Rex adventure at the end of XC2
Not really, there wasn't anywhere else that story could've gone without a timeskip. There were no more threats until the merge happened
Which is literally what they did, make new shit up and tie it into the old stuff but not straight up make a whole game focusing on the by now heavily promoted, iconic XC charas. Rex + girls or their kids
exploring a new world alone sells itself to the casual crowd where some literally started with XC2 because the switch barely had games, even if it probably doesn't satisfy what the average xeno gay wants from the series, but not every xeno game has to do that anyways and trying to please everyone will just please no one. In some ways this is gonna turn into the same problem the FF series had where they now finally pivoted and started working on shit like FF7R, people wanted for cloud for 20 years but it took SE almost collapsing under their own bullshit to capitalize on low hanging fruit kek
>it took SE almost collapsing under their own bullshit
Good thing Monolith isn't in danger of collapsing then. They had over 100 employees listed in the TOTK credits
>Good thing Monolith isn't in danger of collapsing then. They had over 100 employees listed in the TOTK credits
Are you actually moronic or just pretending? The main teams getting spread thin to fix shit on other games is literally what hurt 13, og 14 and ultimately 15 so badly. Monolith having to fix up zelda games for good is not a good sign for xeno games because the best devs are naturally gonna work on revived and more popular than ever zelda over obscure jrpgs lmao
>Every new game should just have muh Rex's kids/descendants as the new MCs
Why are Rex self-inserters like this??
If XC3 story was good i would've been fine with it not being tied to the previous games, but it's just the boring reuse of ideas from past entries. And not just the reuse from gears and saga, but even from blades. And even with all that it's so bad it's just hillarious.
>but it's just the boring reuse of ideas from past entries. And not just the reuse from gears and saga, but even from blades.
And your proposed solution is that they should've re-used MORE characters and other shit from the old games? lol
What? Same characters and same story plot points is not the same.
And i never talked about characters from old games, the game doesn't really need them.
Monolith has shown some very nice concept art over the years tapping into completely different settings too Speaking of hilarious re-usage, don't forget Mythra being re-used from Expelled From Paradise by the artist too kek
Too woke
too mindbroken
Too obsessed
says the guy who goes into the thread of a game he didn't like
>he doesn't like xenoblade 2
Shit taste
Future redeemed made zero sense time wise and it was just a silly excuse to give the founders a cheap "win", it made me hate 3 main plot
Also why and how Rex and Shulk appeared in this world with their memories? Who the frick cares right?
And in the end they just...disappear??? This shit just make no sence.
I don't even wanna start about how lame was that they're met with thier "kids" and how they met them. It's just so bad.
And yeah, the whole arc with N and Alpha is made Xenoblade 3 story even worse.
ESLs can't recognize kino when it slaps them in the face. Sad!
Another generic bad GOD, how original.
And even without any set up. It's really the same shit
forget pic
its not like alvis died in one though so that pic doesnt really fit
He is god and shoulk wished the world without gods
and he left shulks world so shulk still got his wish
And then he...returns. Nice story.
And you could say that he died because all what was left of him is his core crystal
Isn't alvis basically like an avatar or some shit in xeno 1, he is explicitly not a god. Not like zanza
He's the closest thing to capital G god.
He's the Father
Malos is the Son
Pneuma is the Holy Spirit.
However unlike Malos/Pneuma, Alvis never got mind wiped; so he knows everything about who or what he is and can do.
Not touching it until the Switch 2 is out.
>Klaus use the big dimensitional thingy and split the universe in two.
>"Today we use our power to fell a god and seize our destiny." XB1 and XB2 happens concurrently, the Conduit is disappearing, Alvis rebuild Bionis per Shulk's wish, and Klaus gives his last gift to Alrest.
Man the hype, the feels. That's a pretty good conclusion.
>FC imply heavily that the Conduit's disappearance cause the universe to remerge.
Oh there's more? I wonder how the next Xeno will turn out.
Comes XB3
>Everlasting war. The merge is either in progress or completely happened.
Sure.
>We made a Noah's ark out of desperation in the hope something is left after the annihilation.
That's a pretty cool plot point actually.
>It malfuctionned and somehow the merge was frozen and a shitty entity hijacked Origin.
What? How? The Conduit was the only thing estasblished able to mess with dimensions and its clearly out of the picture.
>Ending unmerge the universes and Nia's quest implies it will remerge later.
Ugh...
Comes DLC, it's the conclusion of Klaus' saga...
>Origin is made out of Ontos/Alvis.
>He still has godlike powers, even though it was clear at the end of XB2 that the processors should not have them anymore.
>Let's throw Pneuma's core and Logos in the mix without any build-up in the last leg of the game.
>Sacrifice old cast too.
>Remerge happens and phase in somewhere.
Frick this.
Somehow, I wish XB3 was just old cast and new cast trying to deal with the merge catastrophic consequences and triyng to convince everyone to board the ark.
old cast too
WHAT!?
Rex and Shulk give up their remaining lifespans so their kids can live past 10 terms.
Not like it matters since they'll come back after the reset.
I liked it, the “sacrifice” tells us why Shulk & Rex aren’t in base XC3 and I like that the base game doesn’t go overboard with the fanservice besides Melia & Nia.
I don’t know, maybe it could have been better but I’m pretty satisfied with how the trilogy ended. I still hope we get Xenoblade Warriors for one last big crossover before the trilogy characters are ditched in favor of a new one.
>Xenoblade Warriors
That would be the best fricking shit and i have no idea why i never thought of it.
Hell, you can even keep the gameplay it's basically a musou with the numbers you fight against.
It was even trending on Twitter at one point.
not much else to talk about
the DLC did answer a lot of questions too
My opinion is that they shot their load too early. The M and N """""""twist"""""" should've been the climax, and that's how it was written, but they still had a bunch of random shit to do after before the ending. After 80 hours of playing, and that hour long cutscenes leading up to a bossfight, I was done. I loved it up until that point, but any emotional weight the story has was completely gone after that point. With the illusion of a good game fizzling away, there's no reason to play a auto battler with a shit ton of walking between fights.
X did it right. The story was paced perfectly, and I still talk about thay ending with friends. The mainline games are paced so poorly it's not even worth trying to talk about.
2's gacha-like approach killed my interest in the franchise
3 also had by far the worst final boss out of all the games, it was 90% scripted cinematic bullshit and barely any actual combat.
The whole thing takes like 2 hours for no reason.
The ending sucks. It has no impact pn the universe at all. Might as well been a dream
All XC3 is a dream. Nothing what happend there mattered.
Just a fight between concepts without a real impact on a story. It feels more like somthing that should've been between XC2 and the actual XC3
>People of both worlds gaining memories/feelings/dreams of unknown millennia of bloodshed has no impact
>The continued existence of a soul and data collecting supercomputer once haunted by the Collective Unconscious and now inhabited by a waiting list of souls yet to be born has no impact
>BOTH UNIVERSES BORN FROM KLAUS' EXPERIMENT FUSING BACK TOGETHER INTO WHAT IS PROBABLY XENOSAGA'S LOST JERUSALEM HAS NO IMPACT
Absolute brainlet take from a moron with no vision.
They should've made the game about a different cast or at least put coomer autist bait designs like ethel into the main party again. Instead they made a pozzed game no one really cares about. I've had multiple people that actually liked the game tell me they just stopped randomly because they got bored in the last stretch too, that doesn't happen if you're actually invested in the characters.
Because the game ended, the saga is closed, so people moved on.
This is what mentally sane people do, they do spam the same threads over and over again arguing over plotholes like 3Hgays do.
Because nobody fricking asked for it
Xenoblade X still doesnt have a switch port or a sequel lined up
I enjoyed racking up ricidulous damage numbers with Rex in chain attacks at least.
Xenoblade is a sovless series.
Nopon spin off when?
>Pokemon mystery dungeon but with moronic potatoes instead
no thanks
that sounds amazing actually
>Nopon Merchant RPG
>It's Recettear but with Nopon trying to profit off of war and genocide
>Hire sidekicks to massacre monsters, soldiers and those filthy Tirkins
Because, the regular game had next to nothing to do with the other two despite being stated by the producer that it was the final chapter of that part of the saga and mostly rewrites itself out of existence by the end. Then, they released an expansion DLC that was closer to what you would expect from that statement, but, like Torna, it was a story you already knew the end of thanks to the regular game. Thus, no matter for which part you come for, you end up being disappointed story-wise.
You can sum up the important things that happened an will be relevant later in that episode with a mere "The two earths get rejoined", pretty much everything else is irrelevant.
Because it had shallow gameplay and an even shallower story.
But enough about ff16
That shit isn't even an rpg. Do snoys really?
Because pyra and mythra weren't in it proper and thats the shrimple truth.
only 3rd worlders ever cared about it and they have fly like attention spans.
I like how they tied in the story of Saga which ended in in the heroes rejecting willhelm's cruel scheme for world preservation through human suffering, by having a DLC where our heroes practically condone Ontos's cruel scheme for world preservation through human suffering
They got rid of what made XB2 good
XC3 and FR literally have Nia and Pyra clones
both were inferior to their mothers tbh
I don't care about any of them as characters, but if you just want booba and cat minge then it's still there
Mio is better than Nia.
Character as a whole or just design? Because design wise Mio looks like some 3rd rate chink gacha character.
Then Nia must also look like a 3rd rate chink gacha character because Mio has almost the same design 1:1, only difference is their clothes
Blade Nia? No, Blade Nia is like one of those super popular character designs that everyone loves. And as I said, Mio looks like a common unit. Now if we're talking about regular Nia? Yeah I can see how tastes split widely in that regard. But no version of Mio even comes close to how awesome Blade Nia looks like.
regular Nia > blade Nia > 3 Nia> Mio
Eh, I'm not hugely into reg Nia, but if I was I'd probably agree.
I don't know. I don't like Nia's design. It looks just stupid.
Why the frick would you consider clothes as seperate when discussing character designs? They're an integral part of it.
Not in any perceivable way.
But no soul
Explain what you mean by this.
Play XB2 and Torna.
I have.
3 is lacking any heart
Explain it without using generic buzzwords.
Noah is very boring he makes me feel nothing like shulk and rex arent exactly super unique or anything but they are at least more interesting. the setting feels pointless like it does nothing with the fact the worlds are merged, the main menu music is shit, and the overworld music is pretty much worse than 1 and 2 across the board. the character designs are boring compared to 1 and 2. the gameplay is worse than 2. Z and N are lame villains
Noah is a great character in the setting of 3, a world where everyone is raised to be killers and he takes a more introspective look at things, plus when viewing Noah's character you have to take into account N, theyre literally the same person and our Noah would have done exactly the same if he was in N's shoes. Hoenstly he's my favorite Xeno protag right by Fei
>would have done exactly the same
Except he didn't. He literally said that he would destroy this world even if he will be left alone. He let go of Mio, which absolutely contradicts every other incarnations, just because....just because
Noah said he would destroy the world AFTER he saw his old memories, he literally was about to admit that he wanted time to stop after M died
And? N saw it too
Difference in how they saw it, N saw it practically forcibly by Z while desperate to save his Mio, Noah is shown these memories by Mio but not to take him down a dark path but explain why N went down such a path and strengthening Noah’s resolve to tear the world apart
Was very dissapointed by main menu music. Was expecting something very different (all previous xenoblade games had really different main menu themes), but they simple made it like XC2...but unlike xc2, xc3 theme is boring.
Also did you know that XC3 main menu theme is final boss theme?
i honestly cant even remeber the final boss theme
Z whole fight is slow and boring littered with cutscenes I dont care about, 1 actually felt epic https://youtu.be/TUQXGvG5DT0?t=39
Actually the final boss theme is one of little things that i really like (although i could barely hear it during the fight). Imo it's amazing. Also it's the first time since Xenosaga 1 (2002), when Mitsuda composed a final boss theme for Xeno game.
XC2 final boss theme was good too, but it was too short and also on two phases it was the same music. XC3 at least fixed that a little.
XC1 of course the best with two completely different themes.
The first Xenoblade game had such god tier music direction.
He's very introspective and reserved compared to Shulk and Rex, I can understand why a lot of people think he's boring. But in my opinion, a major part of the game serves as a character study for Noah (and N). He's played as a straight-laced, no-nonsense hero type who's fighting for the good of the world, but in reality it's really just him forcing his world view on everyone who comes across his path to the point where it's almost selfish. This comes to a head with N where he succumbs to that desire, and again, force it on anyone who opposes him.
Noah might come off as a gary stu, partly because N is already a neatly wrapped package of his whole character flaw. He learns from his mistake of past lives and uses it as a stepping stone to affirm his conviction of setting the world free, even at the cost of people getting hurt and killed.
>He's very introspective and reserved compared
sure but we dont really get to hear a lot of his thoughts so we are just left with a boring character
Which of his thoughts would you like to hear more about? Everything that was shown in game are the only ones that need known for the player. He thinks the world as a cruel and unjust place, and yet it's their world all the same. When given the power to do something about it, he does.
Matthew's very similar in philosophy, except more outspoken and brash. I can understand why he's much more well-received than Noah reading through the posts in XC3 threads.
It doesnt need to be major plot related could just be little things
thats from the dlc which was actually good
it thats when mio cried, that scene made me laugh
How the actual frick can you play through an ending like this and claim that the game doesn’t have any heart?
End of chapter 5 is literally the most emotional scene in the series
because there's nothing to talk about?
>Ganker suddenly hate Xenoblade
What the frick happened?
Xenoblade 3 happened.
I wish that was me
Xeno 1 survived the zeitgeist because of the memes.
Xeno 2 survived because of the lewd
Xeno 3 have neither of those, so the destiny is to be forgotten.
>dogshit character designs
>mcs don't make up for it by being interesting
>villains don't make up for it, instead are saturday morning cartoon villains
>environments are significantly worse than 2
>music is significantly worse than 1 and 2
>no towns just abysmal camps
>hype up the merging of 1 and 2s worlds
>does absolutely nothing with it except a shitty poppy cameo and revealing nia is a cuckqueen
>horrendous storytelling like silver haired b***h and fire head homosexual having a 'muh samurai honor' fight in the middle of the shitty mcs and shitty villains fighting
>despite being similar to 1 and 2, combat is painfully slow especially when you use a chain attack
>hype up the merging of 1 and 2s worlds
>does absolutely nothing with it
Continuing on the Noah's ark reference, we could have had a "storm" of apocalyptic proportions, with both XB1 and XB2 world's landmarks or characters phasing in an out of existence, time and space paradoxes (I'm thinking of chrono cross' dead sea as an example) and a lot of pretty cool environment designs, and old and new cast trying to make everyone board the ark. Instead, the merge already happened, the story is mostly about who control the boat, and environments amount to big holes in land. I'm furious about this waste of potential.
Why are you frickers like this? What the frick is there to talk about? The season pass is done. There's no more content. That's the fate of most games.
This was the most kino, well-executed story moment in the whole trilogy and I will not be told otherwise. I've never been so glued to a cutscene.
Mhm, okay, anon.
Now explain the other parts of Xeno 3 that are good without the single moment everyone already dickrides.
NTA but
>Scene where the angus and keves party members meet, try to kill eachother, then forcibly work together
>Eunie confronting her previous killer
>Every scene N is in
>Ethel and Cammuravi killing eachother
>Noah thinking to use lucky 7 on clock for the first time
>Mio’s existential dread scene followed up by the flute swap
>Mio punching O & P before screaming at them
>Lanz and Sena trying to kill N via annihilation
>The party learning how babies are made/how precious life is
>the entire ending sequence
>hero quests having voiced cutscenes that are just as good as main story (Triton is a highlight for me)
>Nia awakening after being shot by D
>Riku being the best nopon the series has ever had
>Noah and Mio, a jrpg couple, actually kissing and in a previous life canonically fricked and had a kid
>Scene where the angus and keves party members meet, try to kill eachother, then forcibly work together
Incredibly rushed. You cannot deny this.
>Eunie confronting her previous killer
Goes nowhere. D isn't like her rival character, and the notion of previous copies also goes nowhere.
>Every scene N is in
Not really. Just the breakdown scene.
>Ethel and Cammuravi killing eachother
Ruined retroactively when they're brought back due to stupid shit.
>Noah thinking to use lucky 7 on clock for the first time
Good moment, but fails to follow through.
>Mio’s existential dread scene followed up by the flute swap
I don't know what this is referring to...I think. You mean the one at the ruined building?
>Mio punching O & P before screaming at them
Ruined retroactively when Mio's super strength is literally never used again.
>Lanz and Sena trying to kill N via annihilation
I'll allow it, but it could be better.
>The party learning how babies are made/how precious life is
More cringekino than anything, also baby propaganda for otakus.
>the entire ending sequence
Lol
>hero quests having voiced cutscenes that are just as good as main story (Triton is a highlight for me)
LOL
>Nia awakening after being shot by D
Funny, but no.
>Riku being the best nopon the series has ever had
Deus ex.
>Noah and Mio, a jrpg couple, actually kissing and in a previous life canonically fricked and had a kid
Not really them though. The game hounds on this.
Silver hair b***h and fire head homosexual is one of the worst things I've ever had to witness in a story you dumb moron. Especially when the villains just stand there watching, and the mcs are just going huh? wuh? to those 2 morons fighting
>when the villains just stand there watching
They basically doing it the entire game. Just sitting in theatre and watching.
Who thought that it was a good idea?
>Why does nobody talk about sexual fetish blade 3 anymore?
homie just go play a hentie game.
Being Shulk is pure suffering
>Go through long journey for revenge then to kill the Bionis
>When becoming God only want is a world with no Gods
>New world has Gods
>Wife, son, friends are dead save for Reyn/Sharla's angry daughter and Kino's ultra masculine son
>Not even Dunban is there
>Alvis is back but has gone full schizo
>Some homs cosplaying as Egil has the monado equivalent
>Have to hold up world for 1000 years dealing with Rex and Alvis (A)'s shit while waiting for some dickhead homs with a cat fetish to kill Z
>Wife, son, friends are dead
are they?
How is that different from any other character who survived?
no other character made as much of a sacrifice of power as Shulk, he LITERALLY BECAME GOD and gave it up for the new world
It's a good game but Coomers hate it and Ganker is 90% cooomers and you can't make trash threads for it like Blue Archive/Genshin/Nikker/other gacha trash.
XC3's message goes against alot of Ganker users lifestyles, its practically begging the player to touch grass, improve yourself and move on from stagnation
I know right? who doesn't love hearing trite platitudes in vidya?
The whole XC3 is stagnation with story, locations, music and characters being a reuse from a previous games
Yeah, that’s the entire point of the premise itself. Illustrating how stagnation corrupts the progression of life itself by pulling elements from the previous games and turning them on their head, morphing them into something lifeless and sterile in comparison to the beauty they held before.
It’s a narrative choice that provided a unique method of wordlessly showing the themes to the player. It’s fantastic
It's good shit because it's supposed to be shit. Got ya
Glad you finally get it
Every Xenoblade game’s world is a direct reflection of its themes. I’m not sure why it’s “shit” now when this principle of environmental design has existed since the first game.
uhh sweatie it's SUPPOSED to be like that did you even play the game
>didnt even break 2 million copies sold
xenoblade 2 and 3 did so much damage to the brand it is unironically sad.
Xenoblade X didn't even break 1 million
Xenoblade was niche before 2 are you fricking stupid?
XB2 outsold all three versions of XB1 combined and will stay the highest selling, cope
I think it would've been cooler if they actually stuck to their guns and had Mio die for real at the end of chapter 5, and her spot in the party gets permanently replaced by a reformed M instead. This way, the emotional highs from her death would linger on and the stakes would become very personal all the way into the finale, as you no longer just fight to save the world from Moebius, but to take revenge on N, and maybe find a way to bring Mio back by wresting Origin from Z's control.
>replaced by a reformed M
This is impossible because of the thing i wrote earlier
This game absolutely fails to tie story and gameplay
They could simply make it so that you had to do all side content before infiltrating the prison. It's not like there's much story going on in chapter 6 anyway, you just find Origin parts for the boat.
>put a community lock in your main story
No thank you. While I agree that the story could have improved by integrating the other party member's side stories into the main story, being told you have to complete side content to progress would suck. It worked in X because the whole point of the side content was to chart Mira and expand your knowledge of the planet to find the Lifehold, but in this game it would go against the main story because by the time you reach the City Mio only has a few months left and she already b***hed out about Noah wasting everyone's time. They don't have much time to head back to Gamma to go walk around with Teach. Even worse is that it would all have to be before the prison section, so chapter 6 would still be a boring drag as well.
God FRICK YOU. Now you're just making me think of a final battle against N where he goes completely ballistic now that he has to fight M, we could've had MORE KINO DESPAIR
FRICK THIS GAY EARTH, FRICK TAKAHASHI FOR RUINING THIS GAME GOD FRICK SHIT
it reminds me a lot of 2's ending tbh
>"oh you like that heartfelt goodbye and sacrifice huh?"
>*5 minutes later*
>"sike they're totally ok lmao did you cry like a b***h?? gottem"
Honestly wouldn’t utilize M’s role in the story, she’s there as a victim of N’s sick love and just wants to die, so her using her pre established power from the boss fight to swap was the better choice than this theoretical story. M giving her life to Mio is the biggest frick you to N than any revenge story like that could possibly have, everything he worked for was instantly lost, his only reason for even being in Moebius gone by her own choice while he unknowingly tortured the love of his life, not to mention such a story would just make Noah Shulk 2.0 with the revenge boner
I think it could work, because it would also make Noah a better protagonist. He's not with his Mio anymore, he has to deal with it. It would actively show him as being a better driving force than N, to show him that it IS possible to cope and live without your loved one. And then you tie it all together with either M sacrificing herself, and you get some spiel about how "we'll meet again some day, I know it" and whatever. Then cue the stinger shot of Noah and Mio and whoever finally being reunited in a merged world, different timeline, whatever.
Noah displays that he is entirely capable of living without his Mio in the ending where he and the rest of the party allows for the worlds to split once more. He has no idea if he’ll ever see her again, much less even remember her.
Having a stinger of Noah and Mio reuniting in the merged world would kill the message of the game. It’s pure wish fulfillment.
>make Noah Shulk 2.0
Well, devs haven't been too shy on copypasting in XC3 anyway.
N - Jin 2.0 (who was already being copied from Grahf);
Z and his pocket world with nothing beyond it - Zanza 2.0;
Consuls - Face mechons 2.0 (Whom were already being copied from Testaments);
D - Mumkhar 2.0 (but without any motivation whatsoever)
and etc
I wouldn't call it copypasting because their journey(Jin/N) or motivations(Z/Zanza) are entirely different but it is really close to retelling.
Jin entire motivation is vengeance for loss of loved one while N did what he did so he could be with one he love for whole eternity and after failing at that he have one great guilt trip filled with sorrow. While their character function in the story is similar their characters are completely different. Same with Zanza and Z, Z was people feelings given form and subconsciously abiding to people hidden desire for being able to stand in one moment for eternity while Zanza made ecosystem to be a god for whole eternity, same case with JIn and N, their character have same function but have entirely different motivation and source.
Every villain character with redemption arc or "big bad godlike existence" will be similar to some extent
Mumkhar motivation is complete garbage and hardly can be called that
I will never understand how people get so tribalistic over Xenoblade of all games. They all play 90% the same as each other.
>Sword of the End. Noah had it in all of his previous reincarnation. Has the sheath with the infinity symbol on it. Most likely connected to moebius.
>Lucky 7. The sword which is made from origin metal with date of some dear people by Melia and Riku. She calls it the Sword of the End. Basically Monado III
>Sword of the Origin (Noah). The sword which Noah pulls out from chest of his ouroboros.
>Sword of the Origin (N). The sword which N got from Z. Has different sheath from Sword of the End.
Is that correct?
What are the swords of the Origin in that case?
idk it’s feelings
Because i already completed it and discussed about it and Zelda killed the discussion after.
Takahashi actually managed to make a blade game with a story worse than 2's. Amazing.
2 had a pretty good story
Japanese humor and fanservice doesn't make a story good.
That's also not what makes the story good. It's just flavor.
buzzwords aren't a counter point
how the frick did 2 have a good story
Malos and Jin are both morons, the torna squad are uninteresting garbage, and pyra is a personality vacuum
mythra's role is subsumed by pyra, and her personality boils down to "tsundere, lol"
rex is literally naruto
it's shit
>Malos and Jin are both morons,
doesnt make the story bad
>he torna squad are uninteresting garbage
admittedly they aren't that great
>pyra is a personality vacuum
mythra's role is subsumed by pyra, and her personality boils down to "tsundere, lol"
no
>rex is literally naruto
not really
>doesnt make the story bad
yes it does, they are the main villains
>no
yes
>not really
yes really
homosexual
its fine for villains to have flaws and it seems like you either didn't play xb2 or you didn't watch naruto
>2 had a pretty good story
Wrong. I gave it another play through and its worse than I remember. It doesn't get good until they get to the world tree, everything is filler. From the giant maid Nendoroid boss battle, heading back to Rex's home on that shitty map, Indoline Praetorium refugee story. The Ending was so cheesy I rolled my eyes though. Worst ending
>everything is filler
I hate people like you so much
Xenoblade 2 is the only blade game with an actual world which is filled with lots of kingdoms, politics etc. so on the contraraly it's good that there is some amount of fillers. They are there to make the world feels more alive.
>Everything outside the final dungeon and fighting the final boss is filler
...so does that apply for every RPG ever?
>nia figure arriving next week
Feels good.
After that my collection will be complete until the Mio figma next year.
>furshit
they don't have any fur though
Cats aren't sexy
I'm sorry that you caught the gay.
Generic as frick.
All furries in the series are badly design and ugly, including the bunny.
I know it’s bait but kemonomimi isn’t furry
>t.furgays
Ganker is a catgirl board
keep seething
>cats
>tomboys
Worst combination
>[inane babble]
Alright.
Apologise or name better
Sounds like you don't know shit about design
bad opinion
Literally all the xeno cats are sex goddesses, you are actually braindead
She's just human with cat ears. Thats actually a big misstep and XC3 goes even further in toning down all races.
Xenoblade X was too based. Imagine if she was a party member or even a mc love interest in some other game.
Not even a cat
True. This is how cat looks like
>showing the belly like that
Fricking trashy prostitute. Get that shit out of here.
>3 was probably the best jrpg of the last few years
She's related to the nia lineage
Because it’s a single player game that everyone beat already.
seggs
Future redeemed although short was absolute kino
3 was probably the best jrpg of the last few years
I mean, what else was there? SMT V was ok too I suppose, but not as good.
The game sucks. That's all you need to say.
Post your top-5 of characters.
Dunban
Melia
Jin
Eunie
Matthew
Turns out the dev trying to force his self-insert into the GIGACHAD meme doesn't help sell games.
Yeah, Noah was pretty shit after Shulk and Rex. Pretty crazy how Takahashi managed that.
Shulk was the only good protagonist and that's only because XB hadn't gone full anime yet.
>and that's only because XB hadn't gone full anime yet.
yeah nothing screams not anime like a mixed species party rising up and killing god
Anon, Xenoblade 1 was so generic outside of the whole "living on titans" aspect, if Akira Toriyama did the character design, it could have passed for a DragonQuest game.
Mio, Eunie, Jin, Dickson, Alvis
Favorite Cutest girl with cutest accent: Fifi
Meant for
Both 2 and 3 dragged on for far too long and and were somehow even more preachy than the first game.
I haven't played FR because for some reason they decided to release it a week before TotK released with no prior warning. I imagine a lot of people are in the same boat and want to avoid spoilers.
it sucked like the other 2 and we all moved on with our lives
Why is Ethel smiling here? Lanz lost his close friends here
Fightgay looking forward to more fighting.
the game would have been better if there was a fightgay in the party
she isnt a frightgay shes just a bit rough around the edges
How many lost sales did 3 suffer from due to piracy I wonder.
100k? 500k? A million?
Cope. XC3 couldn't even overtake XC2 and thats with something like over 10 times the switch consoles in the wild compared to when XC2 released. TOTK leaked like almost 2 weeks before release and became the fastest selling Nintendo game ever.
I think that's the big thing. That there were WAY more Switches in the wild so it would make sense that 3 would outsell 2 easily enough, but so far as I know, it hasn't.
I really think that last chapter and ending, even if people didn't dislike it, kinda lost people's interest, so word of mouth didn't move the game as much.
XC3 has too much of a vague send-off to characters that we may never see again. If we're not going to see XC1 or XC2 characters again at least give us some glimpses of their lives before you move to whatever next chapter you're doing.
Takahashi leaned too much on being vague about a lot of things that a lot of players want to see even in regards to XC3 main cast fates. Which we only really know about is Noah childhood friends since Agnus XC3 cast didn't get anything on how their lives were before or after Aionios.
What are Blades in 3? Are they just feelings too? At first I thought they were fancy Iris technology that had come about over time, but then it becomes a will-based thing with characters like Nikol. The whole "Only killing with a Blade extracts life for the Flame Clock" is also weird, along with the fact that these aren't all just pre-made weapons. Rex can manifest Blades that resemble the Aegis Swords, but are clearly not. They lack the Zohar and have more design differences. So it's not really their swords, it's the manifestation of Rex's feelings for them that resembles their original swords. And if they're manifested feelings, it's Origin that makes them possible.
Catbros...... this is our lineage?
hey man, 1000+ years can destroy any bloodline
56% anime mutt
>no auto attack canceling
3 is automatically worse than 2, nothing else it does matters
equip an auto attack gem
it doesnt work the same like 2 though, the feel is important to me
too busy furiously jerking off to miobutt
just look at Torna and compared it to XB3's dlc
in Torna they actually tried to expand the old characters and trying to make it fitting the new ones aside the combat was better than xenoblade 2
in the XB3 dlc is just pure fanservice, that is not even that good, the fact one of rex children's is missing means they're gonna milk him in the next game like a disney movie
nah 3s dlc was better it didnt force you to do side quests
XB3
>Not enough fanservice!
XB3 DLC
>Too much fanservice!
What's the middle ground? How does Monolith win?
>What's the middle ground? How does Monolith win?
Xeno Gears remaster
Doing both but keeping them strictly separate. Musou spin-off is a good start. Worked for X as well.
>Musou spin-off
No, that's such a stupid idea. Why would they go BACK to Aionios after FR?
Monolith has enough distinct characters to just do some all stars game with half of them at this point. Throw in kos-mos and there you go. If it sells well, then on the second round you try and do some game that ties into a past title main setting more. It's literally what they did with both the Zelda and FE musou games.
ehhh Zelda's canon is more flexible, I don't really think that idea would work for Xenoblade
I don't think these random spin-offs are considered canon anywhere really. Which is mostly my point, keep the past game fanservice away from mainline. Less confusing and allows for a better plot without moronic ret-con shit "oh guys yeah uh we actually always uh planned this plot twist right from the uh first game pls believe teehee".
none of the Zelda or Fire Emblem games are canon to each other except the ones that are direct sequels like OOT/MM, BOTW/TOTK, and the Tellius games. Xenoblade 1-3 is a continuous story. That's why I don't think a non-canon spin off would work
Honestly, should have reversed 'em. Have the base game be the fanservice, and the DLC be the new characters.
Obviously with a different story, but you get the idea.
>the fact one of rex children's is missing means they're gonna milk him in the next game like a disney movie
I really doubt it
You say that but Takahashi said the blade story is finished.
We're talking about it right now
Also, Zelda wiped off discussion of any non-Zelda game until FFXVI came out
Anyway, I liked it a lot. Pretty good JRPG
Need to replay the series from start to finish to figure out which one I like most
I like the game, shrimple as that.
it was trash
I liked the base game but then playing the DLC really brought parts of the story and gameplay I really disliked but initially glossed over to my attention. Seeing everyone praise that tepid shit as the second coming of christ just because Shulk was in it really didn't help.
Why.
poor Melia
Om nom nom... mmnf...mnngg.. *snort*... om nom nom... mmnf.
Why does nobody talk about Fire Emblem Engage anymore?
Much like XC3, Engage failed to satisfy the fans that the previous game attracted
speak for yourself. XB2 was shit and left a bad taste for the franchise for me since then. 3 fixed most of the issues I had with 1 and 2. Also, engage is a step in the right direction.
Engages disgusting protag color scheme made it unplayable to me. I'll actually take XC3s bland persona cast over that shit (both are trash tho).
>3 fixed most of the issues
such as?
X3 was boring as hell Narrative wise and tedious gameplay wise, absolutely hated having to switch classes every two seconds between every single party member. There should've been a randomizer to just auto do that for you. I played for like 10-15 hours before just dropping it.
Engage is the step in right direction only in reducing bussy work(somniel vs academy) and gameplay department. Story is bland as frick and I find most of character designs either forgettable or pants on head moronic. Overall it is better game than 3trannies but it is not very high bar when you recall that gameplay in 3h was so shit it can be hardly called a TRPG/strategy game, it is more of a visual novel with those games elements
I'm convinced everyone who hates 2 never played xeno games before blade and maybe not even blade itself.
blade's success and likeability was due being different. x2 shat on that.
Xenoblade 1 tricked alot of normies into thinking Xeno games weren't anime.
How? It's one of the most blatant shounen power fantasy like of xeno games
You have to understand that for a lot of "people", "anime" begins and ends with something's artstyle, regardless of story structure, themes and tone.
Xenoblade 1 had a "realistic" artstyle. I would blame the dub as well but even English Shulk is pretty much a shounen protag, though Dunban did get changed from a chuuni to more of a mentor type.
I feel the presentation on how Shulk is voiced in Japanese compared to how he is voiced in English makes them two different characters. Shulk in Japanese sounds much more wimpy ,hesitant, and overly polite compared to how more confident sounding Adam Howden makes him be. Even at Shulk lowest moments when he is breaking down Adam Howden never makes Shulk sounds pathetic as he does in those moments like his Japanese VA does .
If Shulk was more voiced to be more close to his Japanese VA performance of the character I doubt he would've been liked by a western audience. He would be seen too much as a wimpy boy that isn't good for self-inserting into.
call me crazy but I actually found engage to be a more satisfying experience than xb3
Engage is great from a purely gameplay perspective, easily the 3rd or 4th best game in series. Its just the writing and character designs are shit. Plus 3H attracted a ton of persona gays who only wanted another highschool dating sim with a bit of strategy game that they could just grind and auto battle through tacked on. Engage is literally the exact opposite of what those people wanted. Unfortunately I think they'll learn the wrong lessons from Engage's failure and we'll never get another FE with good gameplay again.
>gameplay perspective
The hub world has too many loading screens.
That's why you should emulate it. Loading screens take like half the time on pc compared to switch.
>Engage is great from a purely gameplay perspective
So is XC3. Everyone's complaints about it boil down to them not liking the story or characters, or thinking it's "censored." No one complains about the gameplay
>So is XC3.
but it doesnt have auto attack canceling
>but it doesn't have auto attack canceling
It literally does, you just need auto-attack gems first.
it doesnt work the same, weve been over this
except it literally does, you just need gems first. We've been over this.
It doesn't
No gacha + no field skills is a huge improvement
I don't like the gameplay as much as XC2 because swapping classes around the whole party makes every character feel even more generic and less distinct than they did in XC2 where you could already swap Blades with a great degree of freedom. The Chain Attack system in 3 also feels much more shallow since you no longer need to build up shit on the target like you did in 2, which made you consider party composition more in order to get a strong Chain Attack.
What's the worst thing however is how the game doesn't allow you to unlock classes if you end up overleveled. I started playing it on release, did a bunch of side quests which got me to like double the level I "should" have been. When I went to resume the main story, I quickly found out that it was impossible to unlock classes from new heroes I met and basically all my party progression was frozen. I got bored of this crap and stopped playing like halfway through the game.
Granted, if the world or the characters or the story were super interesting, maybe I would have pushed through anyway - but it was definitely the gameplay which got me bored out of my mind. Never happened in XC1 or XC2, but neither of those game were so poorly thought out as this one.
>character designs are shit.
cant agree with that
the update added the inherit skills into the colosseum so I have no issues with it now because theres really no need to go anywhere else
engage and xb3 both sucked, its over for nintendo weeb jrpgs, I'm going back to mario rpgs
It was kind of disappointing to me.
Xenoblade 3 was a good game so discord shitposters didn't have anything to latch onto.
Even the black party member was based and bbc spammers didn't get the replies they wanted.
just finished future redeemed yasterday and i love it. just wish it was longer or at least have a new game plus.
Based, I wish it was longer as well and that they had more time to develop Nikol and Glimmer. Matthew and A help carry it though.
>Game naturally feels out of relevance like every game after a few months
>Not loaded with coombait and otaku tropes like 2 so you can't fill up endless off-topic threads with porn
>This confuses 2 onlies, and makes them think Xenoblade 3 was a bomb
Probably asked in this thread but what the frick is the tribalism in these threads?
>I love 2's boobies, takahashi is a hack!!!111!
>Xenogears is the only good game to ever be made by humanity
>Xenoblade 1 was K I N O
>Xenoblade X is forgotten! Please remember!
>Xenoblade 3 is shakespearian art
>Positive comments about Xenosaga that isnt Xenosaga 3
I dont get it, why the shitflinging? its not proving anything to anyone
It's mainly one shitposter trying to stir up shit and falseflagging, he did this when 2 released as well.
What is the best custom difficulty settings for 2 if you want something that is extremely hard, but isn't so strict not to let you try various options?
Basically want the broken strategies to be disabled.
Reminder that they're on the last wave of xeno pfp icons
I got all of them.
are these limited time? Ive seen these posted around but didnt care to look
Yes, each wave has been available for a week only.
The first 5 waves came out with XC3 and had characters from the game, these new 5 waves have had other characters from XC3/FR plus characters from XC1 and 2.
The current wave going on right now is the last, and has N, M, Z, Triton plus the unmasked Queens and their Hero outfits.
I always forget this custom icon thing exists, and I always learn about icons I like months after they release. I don't want to buy nintendos shitty online anymore anyways, smash got too frustrating. please tell me they rerun these
They'll probably do re-runs when XB4 comes out in 2/3 years
Other games have had reruns (Fire Emblem Engage is getting one right now), but Xenoblade hasn't.
The "rerun" Xenoblade got was it getting a completely new set of icons, and that one is finishing this Thursday.
I literally don't have silver coins anymore. I have a lot of xenoblade icons at least.
Honestly my personal hang up with 3 the more I think about it is I just plain don't like the core story, themes, and world.
The whole Eternal Now, two armies unwittingly pit against each other for years by a shadow government, child soldiers who know not of life's pleasures, a world that can't grow beyond it's means and is slowly dying...
All things that sound interesting, and the previous games even did as well, yet for 3 it all felt like the worst version of these concepts. It's biggest crime was it was boring. I had to force myself to finish it. And while I might have enjoyed the DLC while I played it, I still don't really care about the Founders' plight. We learned all we really needed to know from the base game.
I think that's fine, it's okay to have preferences, anon.
Also, it wasn't the endless now though? The world slowly, but dissapearing, so what's the whole point? Did Z stupid or what?
When i only start XC3 i thought that they're using this eternal war to somehow keep the world alive, but no, it's irrelevant.
btw, the world should be frozen (floating rocks and etc) but why the grass moving then? I'm not even talking about time of day and weather
yeah what was the point of the war? if you wanted to keep people here forever with out them rebelling why not give peaceful lives or keep them on drugs or someshit
wouldn't work, look at XC1. Things would go south eventually
well that was an entirely different reason in 1
The only reason things went south in Xenoblade 1 is because Zanza couldn't cope with death. He got to be God of a world for hundreds, maybe even thousands of years, but once people got wanderlust and thus he wouldn't be able to reincorperate their life essence into himself and the Bionis, he decided to start pre-culling them.
I just finished Xenogears (very kino). what did takahashi mean by this?
muh perfect works
Japanese autists love doing that shit
Star Wars syndrome
Xenoblade X is the peak of the series. You can tell with how much effort went into it it is what takahashi wants to make. An MMOlite like Destiny 2 in Xenoblade X's world with the music of the most expensive japanese composer in all of gaming, Hiroyuki Sawano. Yeah, that already sounds 10x better than this slop called Xenoblade 1 2 and 3
>An MMOlite like Destiny 2
congratulations, your post made me throw up in my mouth, image WANTING live service dogshit
I don't just want it, I crave it
peak of the series in what sense? The world/exploration is the best but everything else falls flat. Even the side quests are trumped by XC3 and its DLC now.
You bought my figure, right anon?
Nope, but I did buy your mom. Should be here by the end of the month.
I hope it's not some Chinese bootleg, though. I wonder how many of those are floating around.
>Figure with no panties
No thank you
no
yes and nia's arriving soon too
now i'm debating whether to buy kosmos or not
No, but I want maximum despair N figure.
I'm honestly glad that there are people acknowledging now that the dust has unironically settled that 3 was a bit disappointing.
Not a bad game, not at all. Just...okay.
take any random 6 heroes and you'd end up with a more engaging party than we got
Nah, 3's party is great and the best in the series, and only gets mogged by the DLC party.
>Nah, 3's party is great
PFFFFFFFT
Generic boring soldiers who's only character arc is reeee my comrade died and i remembering him all game
Noah - Crys
Mio - Miyabi
Lanz - Joran
Taion - Nimue
Sena was just forgotten by the writters
The only one of them who had an original arc was Eunie with "rape" memories, but it goes basically to nowhere
>Sena was just forgotten by the writters
Sena had a deep plot progression with Shania which makes her the best female party member.
Unironically this.
I'd personally say they're my least favorite party out of the numbered series.
Even in 1, I loved Shulk, Reyn, Melia, Dunban, and Riki. Fiora and Sharla bounce well off the other members.
Meanwhile, in 3 I like Eunie, Taion, Riku and Manana. Lanz has his moments, But Mio, Noah, and Sena all put me to sleep. Despite trying so hard to be quirky and energetic, Sena is super forgettable.
I don't know how anyone shit on Sena while praising Sharla in the sentence. She's the most forgettable party member in the entire xeno series, barring Rico.
sharla wasn't annoying though
Yeah because everyone benched her immediately and forgot she existed
nah I used her quite a bit
Sharla was decent when bouncing off Reyn. And I liked the 3 man group interactions they had at the start of the game.
I also find it funny how she said she was on Team Melia and didn't do shit to help her cause.
Yeah, and that's pretty much all interactions she gets outside of a few heart to hearts. 3's party has much more active banter throughout the entire game, and throughout sidequests where they get to banter off the other heroes as well. I genuinely do not get how anyone could say 3's party isn't the best in terms of banter and party interactions.
because half the cast is boring
I'm sorry you have shit taste or skipped through all of the banter then
For me it's pretty much any time the party talks about Ashera and her goons
Same.
One convo I remember a lot is this one where the party is talking about Colony 11's Ferronis being shaped like a snake while Eunie is getting more and more upset since she doesn't like them, until eventually she just flips out at them.
testing
>The protagonist is a male teen with a red sword. His initial worldview is flawed and naive. Over the course of the game he learns to understand others better and to trust the future
Who am I describing?
cause we talk about the superior game
>It's another villain looks like an old man and is actually a stand-in for conservatives that want to ignore global warming.
Yawn.
>Origin
>Logos
>Ultima saying "Our ark. Your architect."
I know ideas and language aren't copyrightable, but HEH.
Actually isn't Origin surrounded by clouds too in this game?
Wrong board
reminder rex btfo everyone