Why don't other studios with millions to throw around just hire actually talented professional writers like picrel?
Why does video game writing necessarily have to be bad?
Why don't other studios with millions to throw around just hire actually talented professional writers like picrel?
Lmao
maybe because vidya costs a lot of money to make, so you wanna make sure your product doesn't take any risks
>this is good writing in the videogame "community"
grim
Show me better. (You can't)
Unironically yes, I always laugh at people who say that video game writing is bad. Like, dude, have you read at least one book written in the last twenty years?
They don't know shit about what real bad writing is.
The people writing modern books are the same people writing modern vidya. Including op.
Disco Elysium thrashes 99% of "modern books" and modern vidya
Game of thrones is better if only because it's author somehow manages to huff his own farts less than the guys that wrote No truce with the furries.
How does its author manage to huff his own farts less?
By saying something when he uses his words.
The authors here have done the same thing.
That’s the reason why DE has good writing, anon. I can relate to Harry and his violent, self-destructive drunken behavior. That’s good writing because it is like the author can see into my heart and has managed to bring to light something that not many other people seem to understand as intimately as I understand it.
His writing has depth and meaning, anon. That’s good writing.
You can relate to Harry because you're a violent, self-destructive drunk playing with a visual toy. You'd get the same result visiting twitter #relatable.
Lol what makes you so certain of that? Do you really think I’d be more likely to be moved by a twitter post than a detailed narrative, especially when it comes to something that I’m deeply ashamed of?
Do you just assume everyone is as shallow as you, anon?
this would almost not be bait if you didn't refer to the book series incorrectly and if Game of Thrones didn't come out before you were born.
>this would almost not be bait
Voila. Here's an example of bad writing. A man trying to fit as many words as he knows into a single paragraph.
>A man trying to fit as many words as he knows into a single paragraph.
That post is literally a single sentence.
I could take a trip to uncle Google and share the first result. I will do so. In Disco Elysium style.
>Length and appearance do not determine whether a section in a paper is a paragraph. For instance, in some styles of writing, particularly journalistic styles, a paragraph can be just one sentence long. Ultimately, a paragraph is a sentence or group of sentences that support one main idea.
I could also point out that you're a homosexual. I will do this now. homosexual.
A single post consisting entirely of one (1) sentence is not a paragraph. Sorry not everyone is as moronic as you.
A single(1) paragraphs that could be separated by a period if he planned ahead and knew how to construct sentences. Unfortunately his school failed in educating him.
It's a proper sentence you moron.
>uhhh but it could be separated by a period!
You're an illiterate homosexual.
paragraph*
See? You didn't even try to correct me. Because you don't really read what people say.
You're terminally moronic.
Ah. You moved from insulting me to insulting me. Very convincing rhetoric.
Alright moron.
bro this is some extremely cringe ESP behavior, cool it.
All Miyazaki kino in FromSoft games
Delusional sub-100 IQ haver.
The games are fun, but the writing is mentally stunted teenager-tier.
Wrong, its peak kino writing
Way better than pseud Disco Elysium marxist wank
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Don't even try to shit on Kingdom of Conscience. It's brilliant.
if that quote came from a book they would not be able to find a good counter to it
How?
Because it is a beautiful expression of a truth. That's what art is.
Beautiful how? What truth?
How about you post your favorite line from any piece of media and explain why it's good
How about we go back to you explaining the things you said.
Why?
You don't appreciate good writing. Prove me wrong.
How about this one, speaks for itself I think
"Until this day, Maria had never doubted the magic-related concept that she was the child of the Holy Ghost. However, no one had ever proven to her that occult phenomena actually existed. Maria could create a universe all by herself. However, she wanted to share it with a second person, so that she could believe in it even more strongly.
However, Maria had said that even a single person could give birth to a universe. And yet, Maria had desired a second person. A second person to nurture the world she had given birth to alone. Because if it was born and not nurtured, it would die and disappear?"
How is this good writing?
>How is this?
>How is that?
am I going fricking insane? Why are 50% of the posts in this thread just wanting people to rephrase what they already posted? Frick off
That centrists are fricking moronic. Case in point
lmao.
Shitting on centrists is always based.
except he's not shitting on centrists. he's shitting on moralists with some convoluted word salad.
Moralists are Disco Elysiums variant of communists FYI.
highly doubtful
>t. moron who has never played the game
reread the op
YOU reread the OP.
It is obvious you have the reading comprehension of a third grader.
>no u
You have the mental capacity of a third grader with down syndrome.
you're just embarrassing yourself when you lose your marbles over nothing like that.
I am not mad at all.
I am simply exposing your inferior mental capacity.
keep saying it and you'll eventually stop describing yourself.
No the moralists are Disco Elysium’s version of Globo-homosexual bureaucracy.
The biggest moralist stand-in in the game is literally the most israeli looking gay (literally) EU bureaucrat MF I’ve ever seen portrayed in a piece of media.
>No the moralists are Disco Elysium’s version of Globo-homosexual bureaucracy.
Yeah they're communists, I already said that.
>Centrism isn't change, it is control. Over yourself and the world. Exercise it. God is in his heaven. Everything is normal on earth.
Centrechads how we doing?
Closed on a house last year. Engaged and planning our wedding for May.
God, it is great to live in a democratic capitalist society of slow change and strong institutions.
I love being afforded the opportunities to make life better for myself while also enjoying that the government will grant me a reasonable existence if I fail catastrophically
Based post
Sadly, my romances have not panned out so well. But in spite of this, being able to control my life at whatever pace suits me at any given time is an absolute blessing.
Frickin preach my guy. Took a bit of patience but i now got a cozy job thanks to my country's gov going out of its way to put spergs comfortably in the job market. Beats dying in a revolution and subsequent civil war because "they didnt start hiring spergs fast enough"
>democratic capitalist society
>strong institutions
Thanks for the laugh anon.
>slow change
lmao if only centrism actually meant that and not demography-destroying ultra-neoliberalist immigration intake at the fastest speed possible so you won't even recognize your own nation in the span of 10 years.
I sure am glad to lose half my income and not get a pension when I'm old.
Beats not growing old in the first place
>Centrists who don't understand the lampooning
>Exerting control over yourself and the world around you is bad, actually.
Opinion detected. Prepare to be turned into a parking lot
Exerting power over others and the world around you is good, actually.
Go snort some coke you silly traditionalist
You commie israelites are the ones who snort drugs though lol? Traditionalist chads don't need drugs, the glory of ones own race is intoxicating enough, well at least when you are from the Aryan race.
It becomes more evident you misinterpreted the meaning of Disco Elysium's satire. No, they did not mean that moralists have superpowers.
I love the part where the government tries to import foreign labour using low birthrates as an excuse to lower wages even further in order to benefit big industrial complexes
shut the frick up, you racist anti-semitic incel
That's not centrism you buffoon. Centrism means that your political beliefs are so different from the standard political opinion that you can't you can't be categorized in any traditional political belief and every other moron will lump you as something you aren't. A good example is Napoleon who both held-up the revolutionary ideas created in the French Revolution whilst also being a monarchist, pissing off both sides effectively. You can be a centrist and still have incredibly strong opinions that the world is fricked and needs fixing, the only difference is your idea of what can be fixed and how doesn't conform to any traditional mainstream political alignment.
What OP and this post is describing is just braindead conformism and fence-shitting.
The label of 'Centrism' is stupid because the labels of Left and Right are stupid and so any position that you try to define along that scale makes no sense. Even if you take the most classical definitions of Left as being Progressive and Right as Conservative this is still unworkable, as you're defining the Left as proponents of change without defining what they actually want to change or how, allowing for 2 people with radically different political views to both be called 'Left'. It doesn't work and the attempts to force it as an alignment even with an additional axis are bullshit.
DE doesn't try to fit anything onto such a scale because the writers have more than 2 braincels. The term used is Moralist and not Centrist, because Centrist implies the existence of a valid political line that you can be in the centre of.
You're correct honestly. Politics is more complicated than people make it sound, but unfortunately in our current age this is how people identify it as such, so I explained it as such.
I wasn't sure about Disco Elysium as I haven't played the game, but still since that anon was using it as bait, I might as well have chipped in with my two cents regarding the topic of centrism since most associate it with fence-shitting conformism and I heavily disagree with that. I just view centrism as being anyone whose opinions don't stick with what the mainstream considers "left" or "right", both of which which as you said, are inherently self-contradicting and difficult to define in a very strict sense.
all criticism of the left right dichotomy, no matter how seemingly radical, inevitably ends up re entrenching it in novel forms. Even your most logical rejection of the two-party system end up endorsing the left or the right's goals as a wedge to undermine their means.
There is no "outside" when the terms of discourse remain grounded in politics. You can either be a Republican or a Democrat, or you can swear off politics entirely. Those are the options.
You're so throughly brainwashed by the way things currently worked that you can't imagine things working differently. Did you know that in the past political parties uses to try to STEAL talking points off each other if they thought it would help them gain popularity? Nowadays if party X says X party Y must automatically says not-X, because normal people don't exist anymore and what matters is not how much a proposal makes sense, the only thing that matters is OTHER TEAM BAD.
>You're so thoroughly brainwashed
Again the irony.
You aren't able to put forth how things should work differently that doesn't end up entrenchment the left-right dichotomy. You're so brainwashed you can't even see your own bias.
>Did you know that in the past political parties uses to try to STEAL talking points off each other if they thought it would help them gain popularity?
This doesn't refute the left-right dichotomy. Political parties stealing rhetoric from each other is not the same as their actual goals and aims.
>Nowadays if party X says X party Y must automatically says not-X,
Says who?
>because normal people don't exist anymore and what matters is not how much a proposal makes sense, the only thing that matters is OTHER TEAM BAD.
You're making up strawmen.
I'm not making up strawmem, I'm describing how things currently work and I'm talking about how this is a historical first since there's never been such widespread polarization amongst the common men.
You're making stuff up.
>You can either be a Republican or a Democrat
I'm not even American moron
You live under a political culture influenced and dominated by America. You're not living in a special snowlake country where lefties and righties don't exist.
Anywhere you go, Red vs. Blue.
Unironically yes.
Deluding yourself that you're above it all while also participating in the discourse over politics isn't going to change that.
>Deluding yourself that you're above it all while also participating in the discourse over politics isn't going to change that.
Unless its all alien and unimportant to you as it can't affect you.
The fact that you can only allude to "things working differently" without actually explaining how or putting forth a better system than "red vs blue" just proves my point. Every system that you can conceive of results in the same thing every time.
The fact that america's political parties are more polarized now than before doesn't make the left v right dichotomy nonsensical. You're not describing how things currently work, you're getting mad over political strawmen.
>You're not describing how things currently work
Yes I am. If you can't see how manipulative and moronic the current political discourse is you're beyond help.
No you're not. You're getting mad at strawmen
>If you can't see how manipulative and moronic the current political discourse is
That's not what we're arguing. The reason it's this way is not because partisanship exists.
>If you can't see how manipulative and moronic the current political discourse
This has more to do with you people being politically illiterate than the left right paradigm existing.
>Unless its all alien and unimportant to you as it can't affect you.
In other words, not taking part in the political discourse.
You only believe in this false paradigm because you live within a controlled bubble where the only political topics ever discussed are considered acceptable and non-threatening to the establishment which maintains the bubble. You argue about whether gay marriage should or shouldn't be allowed, or whether you should send 4 billion or 5 billion dollars to Israel this year. You do not argue about whether or not the state should sieze silicon valley companies to nationalise them as natural monopolies for the public good, or whether or not the private healthcare sector should be dismantled for gross malpractice and abuse of the American people.
If the entire realm of political thought were presented as a football field then your Red and Blue would not be on opposite ends, they would be 3 centimeters apart in a fenced off safe-space off to the side somewhere next to the pansexual toilets.
Your anti-establishment view points end up in resulting in the same "false paradigm" you're bemoaning. Give me a break.
Calling state regulation of runaway private sectors "anti-establishment" is you letting slip who your real Establishment are.
I am the first anon you responded to. And no you absolute imbecile. I will not conform to two foreign political parties that do not have my interests in mind. I am from a literal ethnic minority that has had it's language genocided and only really exists in the mountain regions and as far as I know I have not seen any political party whether it's the "diverse left" or the "traditional right" ever necessarily speak for me. On top of that, I want to ask you. How can I give a shit about two political parties that will happily throw their own as soon as the situation becomes inconvenient? Need I remind you how quickly Stalinists/Tankies quickly became "red fascists" in the eyes of the left when they were eagerly universally defended before? Need I remind you how much hypocrisy the right has engaged in and will continue to engage in?
The left-right discourse is illogical and schizophrenic. Even if it "endorses the goals" of the left or right, not having the same 1:1 opinions as them will mean that it will undermine their other goals, and that's not a sustainable nor long-term way to handle politics, this will just quickly create a hivemind of utter lunatics and if you think this is normal or rational, you are deluded.
>I will not conform to two foreign political parties that do not have my interests in mind.
Too bad. You don't get a choice if you want to remain grounded in politics. You can swear off politics entirely. Those are the options.
Deal with it.
The fact that you can only allude to things working differently without actually explaining how or putting forth a better system just proves my point. Every system that you can conceive of results in the same thing every time. Ultimately you are deluded.
Stalanists and Tankies were never eagerly universally defended what the frick are you talking about
>good writing is when it's about politics
>good writing can't be about politics
On the contrary. The writer of Disco Elysium has no fricking idea what political affiliations mean or how they actually work. Which is arguably what makes it good.
Writing in videogames is expected to be there, but it's not that important.
I guess this is true. Still, having an interesting narrative really makes vidya 1000x better.
Because
a) consumers will buy it anyway
b) good writers usually want to write a book, sometimes they want to write for tv and never for videogames
This is true, most untalented writers just switch to games. Plus we live in a meritocracy, so even if you write for a shit game you well get rehired regardless of talent.
>Plus we live in a meritocracy, so even if you write for a shit game you well get rehired regardless of talent.
That's not what a meritocracy is
What do you think a meritocracy is? I see out current system like a meritocracy but one closer to Harrison Bergeron.
Half-mad authors who come out the other side with some genuine insight and vision intact are rare these days. That isn't to say that they were ever common; But most of them get caught up in something else these days.
You cannot *make* Disco Elysium happen, it is the product of the unique circumstances that caused a person to develop their specific and unique ideas. Things like this are like lightning, in that regard. The factors are too many and too varied to control.
Unique ideas like getting a liberal arts degree and whining about capitalism. Don't speak about shit that's out of your depth.
You conservatives stop at the part where the game requires reading
Did you miss everything about Harry's personal life, the conversation with the Working class woman, the Whurl, the Advanced Race Theory, the complex inner lives and relationships that almost everyone you can talk to in the game has, the pale, etc
He didn't play the game.
What is there to miss. Share it.
Self deprecating commie? Never could imagine.
At least they're capable of self reflection unlike some people.
Lol, this is just a flavor of narcissism.
Don't throw stones from that glass house of yours.
Or what?
I would have to write something longer than what Ganker would allow, but one of the more interesting things that come to mind (that I didn't already mention) is meeting Cuno's dad, and finding him asleep and drunk. The part that hit me the most is the speed bottle next to Cuno's homework
That's grim. I don't understand why you cite it in the conversation about unique ideas though.
What you don't understand could fill a library.
You'd do yourself a favor if you actually visited a library one of these days. I advise Dickens, since this sort of thing tickles your fancy apparently.
Its really not that hard to understand.
Well, I thought you were asking "what is there to miss", rather than unique ideas. I don't think there's many unique ideas left in the world, every theme or idea was probably written about some time in the 1800s in some capacity. It's a game about an individuals descent into being a complete frick up, and managing to find some way to eventually pick himself up. On the surface, bland as you can get.
If you're saying it's not good as a book, sure. There's far better things out there if you just want a story. But for video games, it's probably the best written one I've played ever, and it isn't just a walking simulator, there's actual gameplay and mystery.
There's literally a thought skill making fun of people with art degrees
>Don't speak about shit that's out of your depth.
Every accusation is a confession from these dopes.
>Unique ideas like getting a liberal arts degree and whining about capitalism
99% of american media, movies, shows, late night tv, etc. are all made by people like that and they all fall short of Disco Elysium so clearly there's more going on there
Most of gaming is so behind when it comes to story telling as gameplay that you could straight rip disco's dialogue mechanic and slap it in a game like Cyberpunk and get something revelatory.
That's really all it would take.
Good writers are some of the most fricked up people on the planet. You look at most people who released a great book in the past few hundred years and they're all alcoholics gamblers and schizos
the devs of disco elysium were alcoholics
Writers are an understandable kind of fricked up to me, whereas artists are essentially demons.
I don't really understand the online right's relationship with capitalism. You guys seem to recognize how capital and profit-seeking frick up our society in all kinds of ways ("wagie" culture, dating apps & social media, processed foods, as examples). israelite stereotypes are capitalist stereotypes. And it's fine to say let's destroy the israelites. But say let's change capital, and suddenly you'll defend the israelites because it means defending capitalism. I don't get it. I don't think capitalism is compatible with a bright future for the white race.
It's because most of them are capitalists first and foremost. They just see class along race lines instead of material ones.
Everyone has a part of themselves that resonates with the future promised to humanity, whether via religion or the Star Trek future or whatever it looks like to you.
Even reactionaries, Nazis etc. feel this pull.
Some people are just unwilling to put *a single thing* at risk for those ideas.
They will seal up the borders, cling to the last of their dwindling resources, and eventually consume everything they love into their cannibalistic death-drive.
You don't seem to understand what the word reactionary means, since Nazism is not reactionary.
I don't like capitalism. I don't like communism. I will shit on you because you are a communist. I don't need to shit on a capitalist because he is your master.
The online right is constantly getting a perpetual influx of young high schoolers whose understanding of class, capital, and capitalism is entirely learned from boomer and libertarian schools of thought, in the same vein of high schooler communists not knowing shit about the nitty-gritty issues with socialism or communism
Right-wing is either split between libertarians who have concluded race is the prevailing issue as to why they can't be left alone, and fascists/nat-socs, who themselves are mostly full of edgy teenagers who dont understand how corporatism works.
Personally, I believe that in order to solve the issues of race, we must first solve the issues of class, because all races are being undermined by the upper echelon of cosmopolitan elites of all races, though a lot of them are israelites
The online right is a made up strawman, that consist of former undecided and slightly left leaning people, back when if you didn't feel strongly about politics you would just vote for whatever candidate was on the Left. They couldn't be called Left, because they don't like the new extremely political Left and they didn't identify as being Right either, so the media dubbed them Alternative Right. Then some grifter made political movement known as Alt-Right and named himself the leader, and from then onward people that are neither Left or Right get pushed into the alt-right box.
>the online right is actually center left and the extreme far right doesn't exist only the extreme left does
Nice try homosexual
Redditors cannot resist to argue this. The fool that you're, you identify yourself as part of it.
Most of you rightoid fools are from reddit.
True
Ganker has always been a left-wing website. Only incels will argue against this.
Ganker was a politically agnostic site that hated both libtards and contards in equal measure with a handful of libertarian cranks. Then election tourists from reddit came and now Ganker is just a GOP agitprop board for right wing proganadist morons like this fool
>politically agnostic
>agnostic
MY FRICKING SIDES
Anon, PLEASE learn the meanings of words before using them lmao.
You don't have an actual counter argument to anything I posted so now you're trying to play semantics like a weasel. Pathetic.
What you posted was braindead moron slop.
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Top fricking kek. There’s free dictionaries online you super moron.
Oh, you try to agree with me, but then start shouting that the Red is here. And you know that they're Red, because they don't agree with Blue.
>RED
>BLUE
>RED
>BLUE
>RED
>BLUE
schizo
Is reading giving you a seizure?
>Don't even try to pretend for a second you aren't a partisan homosexual.
Couldn't ask for better example if I wanted to. Tribal Black folk seeing everything in red and blue.
> Tribal Black folk seeing everything in red and blue.
That is exactly what you are. You're just pretending otherwise.
To whom am I pretending, myself? Or am I one of those vile spies from the other side?
You're not fooling anyone, partisian shithead.
>Frick you, [select party] shithead!
This is exactly what you do with left parties and then pretend the opposition party is also left. You're a right wing partisn hack, don't kid yourself.
You are so pathetic lmfaooooooo
I'm not the one pretending to be le enlightened centrist here.
Now you're not vague anymore. So, you think you're Blue and anyone opposing you is Red. Pick up a rock and go cave in some Reds' heads. Only way out of this cold civil war of yours is massacre.
You think you're true Red and anyone opposing you must be Blue. And then when Red does anything to destroy your narrative you call them Blue.
Pick up a rock and go cave in some israelites or Black folk' heads. Only way out of this cold civil war of yours is massacre of everyone on the planet who isn't "white", including the murder of actual whites.
And now it broke. Pick up a stick stab it into the other's eye socket before they get the chance to do the same to you.
Your brain is broken.
Don't even try to pretend for a second you aren't a partisan homosexual.
even though those that came from there instantly got bullied to 8kun with qgay and the only ones left were the dregs that followed them to troll the chuds out of reddit2.0
>that came from there instantly got bullied to 8kun with qgay
they got replaced by thedonald boomers and ESL rightoids from hispachan
>you
>rightoids
WE have always been Left
Doesn't matter where you go in this world, you are Blue and the other that doesn't agree with you is Red.
/v/edditors like you love to argue that left right dichotomy doesn't exist while accusing people of being leftist and that the right doesn't exist. Just because you don't identify as such doesn't make you not a part of is.
>Just because you don't identify as such doesn't make you not a part of is.
Yes, I believe I've already discussed how you see yourself to be the judge of that.
I believe I've already discussed how you're a insincere homosexual.
Again, by accusing me to be of the other side, you make my point for me.
Oh the irony. Your point fell flat on its face.
And you say this as of what team this time?
Again, the irony.
You're really fond to that word. Care to explain to the class how you define irony?
>How is this?
>How is that?
am I going fricking insane? Why are 50% of the posts in this thread just wanting people to rephrase what they already posted? Frick off
Very ironic.
Not really.
Ok, then why do you reply to it?
>why do you
>why is it
Again frick off.
Very ironic.
You are so pathetic lmfaooooooo
Amazing that every reply to this is awful.
The answer is simple anon - every single instance of a movement to "change capital" in history has been complete shit. Socialism and communism are failed theories. Class is not an appropriate metric by which to judge the world. Criticizing the horrible leadership of the modern bureaucratic elite is not equivalent with insisting that the concept of leadership or elites is oppressive and must be destroyed.
No the first reply to that post is correct.
If changed never accomplished anything worthwhile then you'd still be living in a cave bashing rocks together umbongo
Not what I said at all. But the issue is that the concept of the dialectic is simply wrong, and the advent of a synthesis can actually create more problems than it purports to solve, which is the reality of the socialist synthesis.
You are too unintelligent and ignorant to understand that before israelites seized power, capitalism existed and was fine. It was good for the people.
Wow, almost like the issue is what capitalism has warped into under the control of israelites. It was never meant to be free and uncontrolled, like some monster eternally gorging itself. israeli capitalism allows the sale of products harmful to the population, allows scam products of low quality that don't last, allows moving production abroad to save costs.
In Aryan capitalism production happened in the homeland with native workers, products were made to last half a humans lifetime, and harmful products were outlawed (such as porn, by indecency laws).
You Marxists are just so fricking dumb, because you are all radical extremists, that you only see everything in extremes. To you, only totally unreigned capitalism and total communism exists, nothing inbetween. That is why you can not comprehend how and why a Nazi hates exploitative capitalism but also defends some fundamental design of capitalism.
Yes, an Aryan man should be allowed to own property, to create and sell products and make profit. No, he should not be allowed to scam people for money or to line his pockets from others work so much he becomes a billionaire capable of the influencing the fate of nations.
>Aryan capitalism production happened in the homeland with native workers, products were made to last half a humans lifetime, and harmful products were outlawed (such as porn, by indecency laws)
You just described USSR lmao
There are some similarities yes, but USSR's system was very oppressive to its people and did not understand the value of race which is inherent to nature, not something invented like marxist israelites falsely claim.
National Socialism is socialism after all. Functional socialism, unlike communism. Perhaps some day you will mature and realize Nazism was the correct way to do socialism all this time.
>You Marxists are just so fricking dumb, because you are all radical extremists,
>capitalism always existed and was fine until the israelites corrupted it we need aryan captialism
Wignats pick up a book challenge: impossible
Cannot believe you made this post on Ganker expecting an intelligent reply
He rose the tide of the people of Martinaise is what he did. He was a brave Insulindian leader. And in this house, Evrart Claire is a hero. End of story.
What was even the point of him actually being his twin brother? Is the implication that he killed his brother and took his name or something?
Is it possible to get Evrart to open up to you more than the part he talks about watching people starve as a kid or something? In my playthrough he basically didn't say a single substance thing, just blasted Harry and said he enjoyed his stupidity. In contrast to Joyce opening up a ton about her personal feelings.
Joyce plays you by seemingly oversharing but actually keeping all her important info guarded
Evrat plays you by not telling you anything of substance
there never was a brother, he's just saying he's 2 people to allow himself to be leader with no term limits, to pretend he's letting someone else run things but he's running everything all the time
have you Black folk actually played the game? holy shit
evart have a twin brother, everyone know it one have lazy eyes you can't fake that
even that b***h joyce confirm it
they did a putin switcheroo
>5 year ervart is the leader
>next year is edgar turn
>repeat ad infinitum
The logistics of how this guy avoids assassination is the funniest shit.
lower-case l liberals mad their entire worldview easily fits into videogame converastion trees written by estonians
People that think books have good writing dont understand that they dont notice because they are brainlets AND because reading the book is the only thing you do
On a movie you have everything else to point to the fact that the story is trash, same with a game
Most books are fricking garbage
an andrew tate subscriber in the wild, amazing
70 posts later nobody can still explain what's so good about OP pic.
good writing
It's just good, ok? My college professor said so.
It's really not that hard to understand. Sounds like a you problem.
If it's not hard, surely at least one person would have said it clearly by now.
Why haven't you explained why a single line of writing you like is good?
I'm trying to get into literature so I thought I'd ask people who knew already. But all of you are struggling for some reason.
Good why?
Sure you are.
It's odd how instead of answering a simple, in your own words, question you try to attack my character. This
guy at least coped out with a different strokes for different folks approach.
You mean like you have?
Why can't you provide even just one line of writing from anything that you think is interesting and explain why it is good and interesting? Why is this so hard for you?
>It's odd how instead of answering a simple, in your own words, question you try to attack my character.
Because they already answered you. You decided their answer wasn't good enough and resorted to bad faith questioning.
I'll spoil you. One reason it's good is because he uses an uncommon simile. Aristotle wrote that proper mastery of metaphor is the true genius of art, it is the real spark behind all creativity, to understand the properties of disparate things and effortlessly relay them to one another. It cannot be taught - some people can invent their own similes and metaphors, but most people cannot. That's literary talent.
>It's odd how
lol no it isn't. you're playing the textbook role of the fedora wearing, self absorbed pseudointellectual: being obtuse, repeating your questions, ignoring answers.
>ignoring answers
Which? I reply to everything because I want to get to the bottom of this.
The only one here struggling is you. You're being deliberately obtuse.
Yes people like Disco Elysium's writing because their college professor said it's good. That's definitely the reason.
Why do they like it?
Because it's good writing that makes sniveling weasels like you mad about it.
Because it is a genuinely interesting (if not cynical) take on what it means to be a staunch fence-sitter.
What's interesting about it?
I find it interesting, it's fine if you don't
Explain something you find interesting and why it is interesting.
The rest of the sentence you omitted. This seems to be YOU issue, so it would be better if you did the explaining why OP is wrong, how the writing is not interesting etc.
Just repeating why is childish.
It's boring. I read
and it just really shallow stuff said in more words than necessary, maybe if you're underage and really into politics this may seem deep.
I explained why, you missed it.
How is it shallow?
You're gonna pretend saying centrists are conformists is deep? It's very shallow, so shallow in fact I've heard this a million times on this shallow website.
>he uses an uncommon simile
Where?
No, you missed it.
I didn't miss anything. You still haven't provided a single piece of writing from any media and explained why it's good and interesting. Prove me wrong.
No, you repeatedly missed it here
But this is the only takeaway anybody in the thread provided so far. You have a different one?
I didn't act like was supposed to be.
>I didn't act like was supposed to be.
Yet you're counting words in a blog text and trying to find depth? Depth of what?
>No, you repeatedly missed it here
That post doesn't have what I asked you. you just claim you're "getting into literature" to cover for your moronic argument and accused us of struggling even after we already answered you.
You *still* haven't provided a single piece of writing from any media and explained why it's good and interesting anywhere in this thread. Really just confirms you're struggling to come up with any real criticism over DE's writing, because it makes you mad and you have no experience or knowledge of literature and good writing.
>we already answered you.
People gave different answers and I, in turn, answered all of them and explain why I find them unsatisfactory, and then they stop replying.
Don't know, trying to find out.
You never answered anything.
You *still* haven't provided a single piece of writing from any media and explained why it's good and interesting anywhere in this thread.
Not one line.
I did. If you ignored it because it put your beliefs at risk, it's not my fault.
No you didn't. There isn't a single piece of writing from any media or any explanation for why it's good or interesting in any of your posts. Just excuses after excuses.
Prove me wrong. You can't, all you can do is ignore because it put your beliefs at risk.
But I explained why it isn't there and you just refuse yo accept it insistently.
Because you don't know anything about good writing. Thanks for conceding
That's why I started this conversation in the first place by asking a question. Duh. So what makes the writing good?
Anons already answered your question. You refused to accept them, even though you admit you aren't into good writing. You also couldn't answer a single question that was asked from you.
>You refused to accept them,
And explained why, but they stopped replying in earnest.
Wrong again.
See? Like you did just now. But feel free to elaborate on what's wrong here.
How about we go back to you explaining the things you said.
You're not making sense. What things? Go for a walk maybe and return with a cool head.
Saying I didn't do something I obviously did doesn't make it disappear, link a post maybe?
Stop pretending to be me.
You seem deeply confused and upset.
>link to a post without doing something to prove I didn't do something
Burden of proof is on you. Saying you explained why obviously didn't doesn't make it appear, link a post maybe?
It's wrong because it isn't true. You never explained why, and they didn't stop replying in earnest.
samegay
nah, it's someone baitposting by rearranging the same meaningless post multiple times with a couple of autismos taking him seriously, it's very likely there is at least a chatGPT bot mixed in.
>But this is the only takeaway anybody in the thread provided so far
How?
How why?
>You're gonna pretend saying centrists are conformists
If that's your only real takewaway from the OP then this game might actually be too deep for you.
And I've heard your very shallow and inept critique about this game a million times before too. This website is shallow precisely because of dullards like you.
I didn't critique the game, just that one anon's explanation of the supposedly good writing. Someone can still come out show me how the writing is good and I'll accept it.
>I didn't critique the game, I just said it's not good writing.
Multiple people already explained why the writing is good. You will never accept any explanation because you don't like the writing.
How is it shallow?
>Where?
>Moralists don't really have beliefs. Sometimes they stumble onto one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet.
Good writers do not have to try to write that stuff. Their brain just naturally thinks in sweeping analogies, when asked to explain anything, some sort of analogy is the first thing they go for. Take note of how most people talk or write, and realize just how uncommon metaphors or similes are in speech. If they are used at all, 99% of the time they're gonna be completely trite ones, like "beating a dead horse". If anyone ever makes their own weird or creative analogies, you can bet money they're also talented at writing.
I see, this was so trite as a metaphor, I didn't pick up on it.
You never explained anything. You still haven't provided a single piece of writing from any media and explained why it's good and interesting.
>maybe if you're underage and really into politics
Turn down the projection, thanks.
>it just really shallow stuff said in more words than necessary, maybe if you're underage and really into politics this may seem deep
Explain how any of this applies to the writing in disco elysium
>i don’t understand it
>therefore it’s stupid
Based moron
But I understood it from the start. Just thought there was more to it than that, and someone could explain.
More to it than what, exactly? You’re not fooling anyone, anon. You have no goddamn idea what Kingdom of Conscience means and even with people describing it to you, you still don’t get it.
It’s ok if you’re an idiot, anon. Plenty of people are idiots. But you shouldn’t fool yourself into thinking you’re operating on some sort of higher intellectual plane here, because you definitely aren’t.
What does it mean?
>greentext strawman
We reached this point huh.
You don't know what a strawman is.
>I didn't say the writing isn't good. I just said it's boring and shallow and says more words than necessary because it just does ok
Yes it is a strawman. I didn't claim the writing isn't good, still don't. Just that that particular anon's interpretation, if it were true, would make it not good. But I don't think it's true, because so many people called the writing good, one of them has to have a good reason for it.
> I didn't claim the writing isn't good, i just said it's shallow and boring.
Don't use terms you don't know the meaning of. You don't know what a strawman is. You're calling the writing bad, yet you don't have a good reason for it.
And don't understand why, when given a detailed explanation of my thought process in order to eliminate your confusion, you still decide to stick to the strawman you have of me.
You're confused. You don't know what a strawman is.
Maybe you don't. Use a dictionary.
It's above in the reply chain.
>When given good reasons
Like what?
>it’s above in the reply chain
I’m moronic and I can’t find it. Link it, please.
You're too dumb for this conversation moron. Frick off.
Here
That post doesn't explain what you think it means. You just called it boring and shallow, which you then lied about and claimed you didn't call it bad writing.
>You're gonna pretend saying centrists are conformists is deep?
It's strange how I have to greentext the posts I already linked.
see:
>If that's your only real takewaway from the OP then this game might actually be too deep for you.
>centrists are conformists
Indeed, that’s a very shallow way of describing it. Let’s try to expand upon this a bit. What exactly do you mean by conformists,” anon? And why did you get the impression that what Kingdom of Conscience is describing is that to be a centrist is to be a conformist?
What it says in the dictionary. The impression I got from that one anon's interpretation.
Ok and what's your takeaway? Share it.
>link to a post without doing something to prove I didn't do something
Is this English?
I didn't claim the writing is good, still don't. Just that your particular interpretation, if it were true, would make it not boring and shallow. But I don't think it's true, because so many people called the writing bad, one of them has to have a good reason for it.
This is some no u, but I fail to understand what is it you want to say.
Maybe, share yours.
See:
>Maybe, share yours.
Sure, as soon as you explain yours first.
>appeal to the dictionary
Somehow I'm not surprised you can't grasp with DE's writing and only came away with the most shallow interpretation of it.
How is that not English?
Reads like an ESL doing a literal translation from his own language.
How?
Lke an ESL doing a literal translation from his own language.
But you said I couldn't grasp it. What is there to share then?
How?
Lke an ESL doing a literal translation from his own language. Will you keep asking the same thing like a child?
You hit your limits then.
How is it like an ESL doing a literal translation from his own language?
>Will you keep asking the same thing like a child?
>What is there to share then?
Nothing. Communication is not possible.
>But you said I couldn't grasp it.
That's right. It's pointless to share anything with you.
You said I couldn't grasp the writing, your explanation is can be grasped easily though.
The structure of the sentence is unlike what we'd write in proper english.
How?
>how do you people write the way you write
We just do my ESL friend. History and stuff.
Nice greentext strawman but that is not what I asked.
What did you ask?
see:
You asked how and I answered. What's the problem?
No it isn't. And my sentence was rewritten without erasing all the parts. So you fail twice.
You didn't answer my actual question.
What did the actual question sound like? Saying "how?" repeatedly leaves things vague.
It doesn't. But a type is a one time thing and you're ESL for life.
>It doesn't. But a type is a one time thing
This isn't proper English either, ESL. You failed three times now.
A typo is a two time thing, I guess. Still less than a lifetime.
>>your explanation is can be grasped easily
this isn't just a typo
Why?
It's not proper English.
Yes it is.
No it isn't.
>your explanation is can be grasped easily
>It doesn't. But a type is a one time thing
Two small typos, yeah. Still proper English.
Those posts are not in proper English.
>uh it's just a small typo when I do it
If you ignore the small typos, which everybody who's not ESL can tell are typos, they are in proper English, what are you talking about?
You tried to accuse anon of being an ESL while failing to use proper English multiple times. Oh sorry they're """""""""""""typos""""""""""""". You're a b***h homosexual.
I didn't accuse. It's evident and I merely pointed it out. Making a typo is a fail, but I'm not afraid of admitting it. You will remain ESL forever though.
You're a hypocritical homosexual and a total b***h who can't use proper english. This is evident and I'm merely pointing it out.
>if you ignore when i use improper english which everyone who's not ESL can tell are just typos they are in proper english
In other words you're an ESL. That clears things up.
Why am I ESL?
No, you're upset your ESL got pointed out so you cling to some gotcha.
You failed to use proper english more than once and tried to pass it off as a typo. You're a b***h.
I didn't. And I didn't pass it off as anything, you just refuse to believe the logical thing because you're upset.
No? A typo is a typo whenever. Your ESL wasn't a result of a typo though.
No, you did.
>your explanation is can be grasped easily
>It doesn't. But a type is a one time thing
These aren't written in proper English. Trying to pass them off as a "typo" after you hypocritically accuse another anon of using improper English won't change the fact you're an ESL.
You fail again
>These aren't written in proper English
They are, normal reasonable people who aren't hunting for a gotcha would understand that and ignore the typo. But then we have you.
Wasn't a result of anything since it isn't there.
Your ESL wasn't a result of a typo though.
What ESL?
You.
Prove it.
>everybody is the same poster
You're too upset for rational though right now.
Prove it
You're too upset for rational though right now.
>he started using my posts one for one
I own you.
>one for one
kek you owned yourself here
You know who's your master.
>*who is
Shortened to who's in common speech. But an ESL wouldn't know.
The losing competition, the crown of which goes to you.
You wouldn't know because you're an ESL. Go ahead, make another "typo" lol
Lay down
You lose again.
>The losing competition, the crown of which goes to you.
You lost.
>normal reasonable people who aren't hunting for a gotcha
You mean like you were doing earlier? Before you got caught using improper english and decided those that it was just a "typo"
Which is the result of you being ESL. You're not a reasonable person. You are a homosexual hypocrite.
>you got caught using improper english
does nobody see the irony? who cares? how can you keep going in this track? guys?
You clearly do because you were the one to bring it up in the first place *and* you are still trying to defend your improper english after you got caught.
The irony is you did exactly what you accused anon of. You are ESL.
You lose again.
bro cool it with the persecution complex, i'm not out to get you. i just think you guys are being monumentally stupid is all. but by all means, carry on, if that's what you want.
If someone starts calling you ESL without pointing out the mistake you made they are just trying to detail the thread because they know they lost.
You know they are mad about losing when the insults start flying.
Just go on the offense and be condescending. Really rub it in they are afraid to debate.
aren't you just lowering yourself to their moronic level though? what if you called him a homosexual and moved on?
It has been my experience the anons that call you ESL are exceedingly fun to frick with. They tend to be thin skinned and self winding.
Always attack and never play defense. You are in charge and never let anon forget it.
I think it is pissing into a sea of piss. but you do you, boss. mildly entertaining read for the rest of us.
I showed up late into this. I wish I got here earlier. I could have made the ESL accuser dance.
Sadly he derailed the thread.
I wasn't hunting for anything I noticed your unreadable incorrect ESL and pointed it out, it wasn't even an insult, I just wanted clarifications.
>I just wanted clarifications.
Is this another one of your "typos"?
No it isn't, it's completely correct English so your ESL got exposed once again.
>I just wanted clarifications
>clarifications
>it's completely correct English
lol
Your ESL got exposed once again.
Doubling down will only make your embarrassment more obvious.
But the only one doubling down here is you. Stop embarrassing yourself.
Your ESL wasn't a result of a typo.
>you just refuse to believe the logical thing because you're upset.
Projection + low standard English. You only decided your own bad english is just a typo.
You might not know what a typo is.
Maybe you don't. Use a dictionary.
>I noticed your unreadable incorrect ESL
You mean a typo?
You don't know what a typo is and pretend otherwise.
Maybe you don't. Use a dictionary.
>No, you're upset your ESL got pointed out so you cling to some gotcha.
No that's you.
>If you ignore the small typos, which everybody who's not ESL can tell are typos, they are in proper English, what are you talking about?
Literally, "it's only a typo when I do it". Cry more.
I noticed your unreadable incorrect ESL and pointed it out
Yes it is.
>And my sentence was rewritten
That doesn't change the fact that it isn't proper English.
You've failed twice.
>The structure of the sentence is unlike what we'd write in proper english.
>your explanation is can be grasped easily
It's in proper English though.
>your explanation is can be grasped easily though.
This isn't proper English.
>It's above in the reply chain.
Where?
>Just that that particular anon's interpretation, if it were true, would make it not good. But I don't think it's true, because so many people called the writing good, one of them has to have a good reason for it.
When given good reasons for why the writing is good in order to eliminate your confusion, you still decide to stick to the strawman you have of them.
It means people like me will always try to make sure people like you don’t cause too much trouble for the rest of the people like me, because people like me are superior to people like you and so we know what’s best for people like you.
I don't see anything about superiority in the original passage, but ok. Superior how?
How about you explain to me what you think it means and then we’ll go from there.
>it just really shallow stuff said in more words than necessary, maybe if you're underage and really into politics this may seem deep.
Its the characters personal take on centrism with flavor text. Its not supposed to be scientific text on politics.
It sheds light on the personality of a person who rejects the idea of taking a side, anon. That’s why it’s interesting.
>midwit can't comprehend good writing
Many such cases
There is so much good shit packed into this short paragraph.
>The Kingdom of Concsience will be exactly as it is now
An allusion to how centrists/fence-sitters (mainly?) contribute to the status quo (deliberately or otherwise)
>Moralists don't really *have* beliefs.
Can you really say that a belief is yours if you adopted it from someone, or somewhere, else? Can a belief really be *yours*, unless it came about from internal processes and not external influences?
>Sometimes they stumble on one, like a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.
Cynical flavourtext, but interesting nonetheless, Suggests that sometimes the centrist will stumble upon an idea that doesn't fit the current narrative, or the status quo, or isn't an acceptable belief (for whatever reason), and the centrist must be made to realize this, and influenced to drop said belief and CONFORM.
>Centrism isn't change - not even incremental change. It is *control*.
Again, keep the status quo, conform
>Look up at the sky, at the dark shapes of Coalition airships hanging there. Ask yourself: is there something sinister in moralism? And then the answer: no. God is in his heaven. Everything is normal on Earth.
Don't question *your* beliefs, don't ever think that *you* are the authority of your own beliefs, leave that to someone else, or some *higher* being
So Moralists are centrists now...
>Centrism isn't change -- not even incremental change.
Yes? Or at least it is suggested that they are in this sentence
Isn't all of that just Conformism?
Any left/right/centeroid can be considered a conformist depending on what thought is accepted as by the majority.
I don't see how this is a critique of centrism
>I don't see how this is a critique of centrism
Because of how centrism is, sort of, the very definiton of *keep the status quo* (since they fall in the middle of the current politcal landscape)
Whereas right wingers or leftists, per definiton, want's the current political landscape to shift either right or left (change)
Taste isn't taught over night.
It concisely and evocatively rejects the standard image of centrism as believed by layman centrists. DE's "moralism" presents as a compassionate middleground of dangerous extremes that moves steadily in the correct direction to improve things, but in reality centrism is not an interest in improvement but in recalibration. The only policy position of centrists is adjustments that bring the world back to status quo. That's why Sunday Friend is smitten with "Le Price Stabilité" of all things: though he presents it as a service to the people, price stability doesn't raise the tide for people's boats, it just maintains order.
The passage for Kingdom of Conscience is provocative and haunting on its own, and in the wider context of DE it is a brilliant summation of the game's view on western governments of today.
it gives me chills
unironically
It's good writing if you have context
Centrism in Disco Elysium is different from EU in our world: they will nuke a country if they think it maintains order for the rest of the world
And that paragraph encapsulates how haunting they can be with the
>"Look up at the airships"
line
It is a video GAME, not art. I agree that DE is amazing and well written but the game development pipeline does not fit with proper writing. Game development is about brain chemistry, psychology and patterns of addition.
Those that don't look at game development with the usual predatory analysis are destined to fail. There is no art in this medium, just artists occupying the space. The most you will ever get is moronic souls backtracking lore, where you fake intent.
Games are about design, not art.
>It is a video GAME, not art. I agree that DE is amazing and well written but the game development pipeline does not fit with proper writing.
Anon there's no process or ritual for "proper writing". Some of the greatest literary writers published in short installments through the newspaper.
The book industry is FILLED with cynical targeting of psychology and brain chemistry and addiction. There is an endless wave of crap published, genre fiction, exploitative romance, products to be consumed. And there is also profound art made.
The same is true for games, it's just more difficult to put together something that goes beyond 'product' because of how multi disciplinary and multifaceted games are.
No sorry I disagree. The industry may change as the tools get simpler to use or again it may make it worse. There are games I see as closer to art and they are definitely outsider but as I said, games are about design.
Sure something like rainworld or even those 90s-esque anti-consumer games like cruelty squad could be pitched as art but I just see them as work by an artist not games. Ville Kallio just occupied the game space and created a product. This art was blurrier than the game, it was an act of production design.
What the frick's even the point in writing a compelling story for a game when most of it will just completely go over the player's head?
The most you'll get out of it is that you'll be cashcow for random pseudo-intellectuals on YouTube who'll do a 12 hour breakdown/review of your shit that others would flock to and watch instead of actually playing your game and experience the story themselves since they're morons who want the experience to be received for free without putting the effort in going through the journey themselves.
Anon, what you have written in that post is the absolute epitome of meme-tier doomposting. Literally nothing you wrote is true.
homie there are more people right now considering themselves "fans" of a series without even having played the damn games but instead just watching the cutscenes on youtube or someone else play them. it's really not that far fetched.
Yes it is, what the frick you even talking about lmao. Disco Elysium threads (not this one) usually involve people discussing that very story that you seem ready to believe no one would ever understand since you’re operating under the assumption that all gamers are fricking morons kek.
You are one seriously ignorant motherfricker. I would suggest reading more books and expanding your horizons a bit before acting like you have any goddamn clue about how things actually work.
>reading books
oh you're one of THOSE morons lmao frick off
Yeah, I’m a guy who reads books to gain knowledge since I’m not insanely arrogant enough to believe that I’d somehow know how things work otherwise.
What’re you even doing in a DE thread if you’re the kind of cretin who turns his nose up at the idea of “reading books” kek? Is this thread your grand cope for discovering a game that reminded you of how dumb you are?
>gaining knowledge from books
LMFAO holy shit. literally everything single thing you'd be reading right now is dumbed down garbage purely made for "entertainment" purposes. reading books currently is the equivalent of consuming marvel movies.
>again with the assumptions
What kind of books do you think I’m reading when I said I “read books to gain knowledge,” anon? Do people read young adult fiction where you’re from and expect to learn how to construct combustion engine?
yes
>What the frick's even the point in writing a compelling story for a game when most of it will just completely go over the player's head?
You make art because your soul can't bear to contain it inside yourself anymore, because your passion is burning a whole in your brain. Maybe only one other person will really get what you're expressing. To an artist, that's enough. To be seen.
Art isn't about an ideal communication vector
>gonna waste the next 10 years putting out some shit that's never going to get attention from anyone
>but yeah, it's like totally okay if just one single persons sees it lol, it's not like i worked 10 years off my life on this thing only for it to just never get recognized
>surely this is totally fine, i absolutely did it for myself after that, haha....
Actually yes, many people have done this and felt fulfilled, lil bro. The worth of your art is not determined by if it got picked up by the youtube algorithm.
But hey, if you can't imagine making something that will be popular, and don't want to make something that won't be popular, then don't make something.
I'm glad that didn't stop Van Gogh there. His works weren't appreciated during his lifetime. Today we recognize him as one of the greatest artists of all time.
Tolkien's work is worth what it's worth right now BECAUSE it got big as frick, even if it was after his death. If the LotR movies weren't made, his shit would just fade into obscurity. Same as with Game of Thrones. Same as with The Witcher books getting the video game series and then becoming popular based off of that to the point it's worth a shit ton more than than it ever did before.
>Tolkien's work is worth what it's worth right now BECAUSE it got big as frick, even if it was after his death. If the LotR movies weren't made, his shit would just fade into obscurity.
Okay? In however many billion years, the stars will all have gone out and all intelligent life will be extinct. Is that putting you off art? What's about the length of time of being 'relevant' that will make it worth it? Hundred, thousand, million years?
Tolkien's works were popular during his lifetime.
good writing are stories that keep people engaged from beginning to end, maybe surprising them a couple of times along the way
most examples of what people consider "good writing" in games are just pretentions shlock text walls written by movie and literature rejects educated on mental gymnastic guilt based buzzword salads that justify societal wide self destructive altruism in the name of humanitarian martyrdom
genuine good writing can be found on the Legacy of KJain series, Ghost Trick, the first 3 Uncharteds, the OG God of War, the PS2 Prince of Persia series, i can recite the script for those game by memory, but there's no fricking way i'd ever remember half a dialogue line from any MGS game
>good writing is adhd goyslop
Thanks for your input, anon.
>adhd goyslop
that's the very definition of videogame
if you wanna write a textwall there's this format called Book that's all about text wall
Art must accommodate to it's medium, i love renaissance painting style but i would not use it draw Dragon Ball in the same way i wouldn't use shakespirian lexicon for the evil monologue of a Naruto villain
you may be the greatest drummer in the world, but when you are part of a band you need to play in harmony with the other musicians, you can't go blasting spectacular drum solos all the time just to show off
games are the same
good writers know their medium and understand that more is not always better
>why are we still here
>just to suffer
did eternal darkness have good writing ?
I liked it a lot at the time
>fence sitting is bad and no good comes out of it
I'm a brainlet and I guess this is what this paragraph means?
>it's good
>why is it good
>what does good mean
A 130 post thread summarized for your pleasure. Advanced pseudcore.
I'm not the anon arguing with you all, and I've never played Disco Elysium but what is exactly so interesting about it?
You can make a story about
>classmate A wants everyone to study more to improve the class average and the teacher will treat everyone to some expensive dinner
>classmate B thinks that endeavor is useless and everyone should focus on sports and they can get merits from excelling in sports
>classmated C wants everyone to calm down and not making factions. Classmate C thinks everyone should ask the teacher and wait next semester to do it
Okay so what? Ultimately its about how centrism is le bad and poisoning the land and its people no? Sure its "decent" but its interesting to you all? Maybe I need more context with its characters or their struggles and why they took on a stance in centrism in the first place.
>Okay so what? Ultimately its about how centrism is le bad and poisoning the land and its people no
No, not at all.
Disco Eylsium is about a broken man trying to piece his life back together.
One major theme of the game is how ideology is an ugly stuffing that people can use to fill the hole in their heart.
>Disco Eylsium is about a broken man trying to piece his life back together.
I see, but how does the character relate and reach this ideology in the OP?
You can choose to commit to 1 of 4 ideologies (or none): fascism, communism, ultraliberalism, or moralism. Access to them is based on choosing dialogue options they govern repeatedly.
What happens to the people(or the NPC) associated with the Kingdom of Conscience and the player character if you choose moralism like in the OP? I like hearing why the person chose to be that way and the consequence to them rather than the morality of it
KOC grants you morale recovery when using centrist ideas (aka. avoiding dialogue options that depict some of the other ideologies, like talking about doing things for the good for the market, an ultra liberal option or doing thenm according to the desire of the working class, the communist one), it's a healthbar in the game, and sticking to moralist options often times gets you the thumbs up from your partner, as he too is one and because he's interested in finishing the case above all else, not debating politics as detective work is hard enough as it is, no need to get yourself so distracted if it's for something not involved with the case, that's how he thinks. The one negative about this ideology is that you miss out on certain reactions or perceiving how certain characters think about others or their ideologies.
the old lady by the lake was riding me like a child riding a toy car
books
>oh you're one of THOSE morons
I'd just like to point out that literature has completely failed as a genre given that it had majority of human history to be developed and refined. The goal of literary works, outside of documentaries and biographies or educational works, is to entertain and vast majority of books utterly fail in that purpose, whereas majority of videogames are still serviceable and playable. In less than a century videogames have mogged thousands of years of bookhomosexualry, of course they are seething.
The purpose of literature was always primarily educational. Thoughtless entertainment was never the goal.
Holy shit anon, you don't need to read a book, you need to read the Wikipedia article of literature, because your post is the biggest lie spouted in this utterly moronic thread.
Just a tip, check out how novels started, and what the thinkers of the time said about them.
What was said of them isn't what they were dumbass 😀
Are you ESL, underage, or genuinely an idiot?
Name 3 books you willingly read of your own free will.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DiscoElysium/comments/dv9pgh/found_in_the_digital_madmaxesque_wasteland_that/
This is what you're arguing with btw.
They'll continue to say nothing of value then take it back to their lair to mock.
>Why don't other studios with millions to throw around just hire actually talented professional writers like picrel?
Because you can't just turn money into good writing. Good writing, really good writing, the Disco one, the Nabokov, Dostoevsky, Borges one - it doesn't just come from a writer sitting down with a contract for "100 hours fantasy open world game". You literally can't force it. You can buy competent with money, at best, not good. Good writing happens when a suffering person has the ability to translate that suffering into a form of storytelling medium, and it's the complete opposite of contractual writing made by economical middle-class scenarists with portfolios and degrees and shit and frick.
That's why games like Disco happen once in a decade at best. There won't be a spiritual successor for it, and there wouldn't be even if ZA/UM didn't get fricked by the publisher business. It was a lighting in a bottle, and you might not see another for a long, long time.
>Good writing happens when a suffering person has the ability to translate that suffering into a form of storytelling medium
pretentious moron
I accept your concession.
chatgpt botposter
You concession is accepted.
>You concession is accepted.
>I concede
Yes, anon, I understand. I've accepted your concession.
This clown compared vidya to Nabokov, Dostoevsky and Borges.
You’re literally just writing it off because it’s vidya. I’m 99% sure you haven’t read any Dostoevsky and I’m 99% sure you didn’t play enough of Disco Elysium to have any idea why people would compare the two.
I read dostoevsky and didn't like it much, but that was also the P&V translation. It was just so stilted and awkward, it flowed like shit
You're a clown pseud. I guarantee I read ten times what did in your entire life in the past 2 months. May be why shitty vidya writing doesn't awe me like it does you.
What did you read in the last two months, anon?
How is it shitty vidya writing?
Due to elitism.
How is the writing elitist?
Who said writing is elitism?
And what do you think is being said?
It's above in the reply chain.
Clowns, got it.
I don't think you did.
So you are even further up?
>elitism
Ah, so we get to the heart of the matter. Anon is insecure because the game with big words he doesn’t understand is praised by people with a higher vocabulary than him. And so, like all wretched plebs, he claims that it’s just fricking elitism KEK.
You’re the same guy who thought Dostoevsky was boring because the translation “didn’t flow,” right? Anon, you don’t get to pretend like you’re an intellectual if you can’t even finish a book because you didn’t like the way it “flowed.” That’s like if I decided one day that I’m a Nephrologist because I have kidneys.
If you think DE has big words or requires a higher vocabulary... Oof.
>Oof
I don’t, but obviously you do or we wouldn’t even have this shitty thread.
It’s ok, anon. You too can be an “elitist” someday if you just quit pretending like you’re the chosen one, accept your inferiority, and start studying hard. Good luck.
Nobody does, but you'd like to pretend it does. Hence your insecure teenager elitism.
How?
How did your life come to this? Prenatal alcohol poisoning. Keep pretending your pseud shit isn't low brow tho.
Low brow how? What psued shit?
Low brow because a pleb like you enjoys it. The pseud shit you think is deep.
Psued shit how? Why is it pleb?
Due to elitism.
How?
Not how. Why?
No. How is it due to elitism?
No. By answering why is it due to elitism is how we understand the schism.
samegay
The only insecure person here is (You), hence the existence of this thread. Like I’ve already said, it’s ok that you’re a moron— lots of people start out that way. But with hard work and dedication, you won’t have to be the butt of jokes at your expense anymore, anon. Good luck.
>I'm such a smart kid you're insecure not me please believe me
Uh huh. Not helping your case.
I enjoyed Disco Elysium and recognize its brilliant writing because I’m not moronic and because I have good taste.
What’s your excuse?
You enjoyed trash and recognized garbage because you're a pleb without a frame of reference.
Very weak response, 1/10– would not bang.
>Praising a Commie slop game while comparing it to Borges
Borges was a gigachad and he hated communist like a israelite hates watching money burn
by definition: any writing that talks about communism as anything else than the spawn of all things evil in the universe and that isn't openly hostile towards the entirety of the ideology, it's founding members and everything that spawned from them cannot logically ever be considered good
it's like writing a poem about eating shit
all the flowery language in your lexicon will not erase the fact that you are talking about eating shit... maybe a pajet may find beauty in it, but not a normal human
>X is good/bad solely because of my politics
Why do brown people see the world like this?
thanks for the laughs, lads. this thread is peak dunning-kruger.
thank you kind strangers
Because videogames are gameplay centric, not story-centric.
Nevermind that the standards for videogame writing is abysmally-low since it's essentially on par with comicbooks in that realm.
>Why can't it be better?
It doesn't need to be. Story is just not as important as people wish. Go read a book or watch a movie.
I know Ganker arguments are always shit but damn this is even worse than the standard lol
What is being argued?
Good writing can't exist in vidya because nobody reads poetry. If you can't understand poetry, you can't understand writing.
>poetry
i once found a couple of amusing rimes, "oh, this poetry thing is funny" i thought out loud
to my dismay some literature highschool teacher heard me, read the rime i thought funny enough to call poetry and made that dismissive laughter that nobles used to throw at plebs, then handed me a couple of paragraphs of what he called "real poetry"
it was complicated, convoluted, obtuse, abstract, nonsensical and boring, even after looking up half the words in the dictionary i still wasn't able to make sense of what i just read
i ended up asking 4 different classmates and they all had different interpretations, the only common ground was that is was boring, needlessly complicated and with less artistic worth than Miku Hatsume song lyrics
whatever happened to the art world where garbage like Picasso's work is hailed as the second coming of Christ while renaissance realism is stored in the museum attics certainly passed in the realm of poetry long before, but with the caveat that recognizing good art in an image is much easy than doing so in text format
ideally you're supposed to start with the funny rhymes in elementary school, read some more serious stuff like the romantics in middle school and read some of the more complicated poetry in high school. I say ideally because the school system is completely fricked nowadays and doesn't really teach people an appreciation of the art form.
>whatever happened to the art world where garbage like Picasso's work is hailed as the second coming of Christ while renaissance realism is stored in the museum attics certainly passed in the realm of poetry long before, but with the caveat that recognizing good art in an image is much easy than doing so in text format
no, actually usually these things go hand in hand - when there's modern art, there's modern - because they're always part of a larger art movement which is just the expression of a larger sentiment in a society at a certain period of time.
By the way, renaissance-like art is still being made today but nobody cares about it, or art in general (and I mean art as art, not art as a means to money launder)
*when there's modern art, there's also modern poetry
i've read this 3 times and i still don't get what the frick is it talking about
something about god or morals buts it's ambiguos at best and needlessly complicated at worst
if this what OP passes as good writing i dread to see what he considers bad writing
I want another Legacy of Kain..
For me? My political belief is based on who I'm trolling
Seriously just pick bits and pieces from every political spectrum without being a centrist and wallah, you're set.
As an example; I am a money hungry israelite that hates corporations and governments
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normal writers dont understand how to write games, cause games are about player agency and gameplay, not about fluff
I read it twice and I don't know what the frick she's talking about
You take the moralist as yourself, a mature and virtuous man. You take the child as someone else. You take the child's toy as the beliefs of this someone else.
So moralists supposedly don't have their own beliefs. They just temporarily pretend to take on the beliefs of others, remove this illusion when they get tired of them, turn around on those from whom they stole the belief and hound them.
That is if you try really hard to take their word for it and believe this swill without trying to dig too deep. Like the fact that being a turncoat is a belief in and of itself. Or if you take the child to mean that you're his better and add in a sprinkle of narcissism to this nonsense. Or if you don't look too deep and you just take it as looking at someone's toy(belief) and attacking someone because they have something you don't. It's all just your usual asiatic mysticism where you're the one convincing yourself that there's something to be found in a sentence rather than the sentence itself spelling itself out to you in a clear-cut fashion.
>It's all just your usual asiatic mysticism where you're the one convincing yourself that there's something to be found in a sentence rather than the sentence itself spelling itself out to you in a clear-cut fashion
this is the best definition of "poetry" i've ever seen
at least the slop "poetry" my marxist teachers tried to push into me back in high school, they kept failing my grades in literature class because i absolutely refused to give them any interpretation that wasn't figurative and literal about the stuff they made me read
the eventually gave up when they realize any artistic text they threw my way i would interpret it as Faustian bargain or devil contract, then i would defend my stance like a lawyer stating that they are the ones who teach subjectivism and relativism are valid answers, since almost all the content in poetry is subjective and relative
>good writing is *expressing* yourself like a *redditor*. using short, disjointed *sentences*. i am *very* *intelligent*.
>anon is *butthurt* and has *shit* taste
sry anon, it was nice knowing you but you need to go back to r***** now
>implying I haven’t been posting these hilarious responses of yours on reddit
lmao post link or go back to your imaginary bbc gangbang daydreams mr redditor
>talented writer in 1980 + 40
centrists absolutely do have beliefs, but their motivations are beyond the understanding of losers who need radical politics and dogmatic purity. disaffected losers will always find themselves living in a "centrist" compromise world.
You're all moronic for arguing with a disingenuous underaged idiot suffering from a severe case of Dunning-Kruger. DE has the best writing of any videogame and it's not even close. This is self-evident, but only if you have an IQ above 115.
Discotroons derailed their whole thread because they are so insecure kek.
I wouldn't say indulging a moron for too long equates to insecurity. Now, why did you enter the thread if you don't like the game (having sub-115 IQ)?
You're insecure in part because you think everybody is the same dude trying to get you. I just saw the dismal state of the thread and decided to laugh at you troons.
I don’t think you understand what the word insecure means, anon. You definitely type like an ESL.
Don't give a frick what some loser thinks. Keep me posted though.
>keep me posted though
LOL nice English there, buddy.
>I dont care!!
>But keep me posted
Yup, 95 IQ
>low IQ doesn't understand simple jokes
Kek.
>simple joke
>uses the phrase in an awkward way that barely makes sense
You immediately outed yourself as someone who has a weak grasp of the English language.
>durr it barely makes sense for my illiterate low iq brown ass
Not my problem.
Aren’t these Poojeet posting hours? Long day at the telemarketing office, chaiwala?
I wouldn't know the time in Pajeetland Rajeesh, but thanks for telling me.
>Simple joke
Take it easy on the disassociative hallucinogens, anon. You'll turn your mushy brain even mushier.
Uninspired strawman. Point out right now what makes you think i believe everyone is the same dude trying to get me, or kill you are self. The only one showing insecurity between us is you, as you show the compulsive need to call everyone a troony. Perhaps you have a troony inside of you?
Assumptions upon assumptions and a bunch of strawmen. Keep seething.
I accept your concession then, rhetoriclet
>ESL fails attempt at another insult
Lol man, keep them coming. Your writing style is hilarious.
newbie.
My English is better than yours will ever be, which is sad!
KEK oh God, what a stupid bastard you are, anon. I’m glad idiots like you post on Ganker; it really makes things livelier around here.
Hello saaar
I know, it’s awful. I can’t believe how easily I get sucked into arguments with morons that are probably 15 years younger than me.
I'm 31 y/o and i do it all the time too. moronation just triggers me and resulting discussion sends me down an angry doom spiral. Could've been me engaging with the idiot, but i sat this one out.
bros it's fine. it's an anonymous imageboard and getting mad at internet strangers is the only way i still feel anything. don't let your otherwise good sense rob you of a nice letting go of steam.
DE writing is generic pretentious leftist pseudo-intellectualism
please explain your position. what is "pseudo" about it?
It's self evident. Sorry if your low IQ is in the way of it.
no it isn't. you will need to explain yourself.
>no it isn't.
For the mentally disabled.
>you will need to explain yourself.
Look in the mirror.
i'm sorry i don't understand what my reflection has to do with the writing in the cult classic video game Disco Elysium
>cult classic
I have literally never heard anyone mention this game outside Ganker
Its not even a game, its a visual novel
Stop the larp, the world didnt notice the existence of your little commie story
you must not read a whole lot then. other than Ganker.
>no u
Pathetic.
How is it self evident?
God made it so.
And you never will.
not if you don't explain it, i won't. no time anyway, bump limit.
See you next thread.
Prove it.
How?
Because good writers are incredibly rare, and good writing doesn't help sell your game so there is no (monetary) reason to
I love how mad this game makes people who actually don't believe in anything
You mean the devs?
Yeah it's the devs who are getting mad at their own game. moron.
>Investor bought out the entire IP from underneath them
>Lead writer seethed so hard he got institutionalized
I think they're pretty mad.
>they're pretending there was a discussion when the entire thread is just
>nuh uh
>you first
>yuh uh
>lol
>no u
>no u lol
grim,sad but expected from pseud central
you guys are being really stupid, I wonder if it's on purpose
Writing is pretty decent these days imo. I think what you are looking for is something more challenging, which is fair.
It would be nice if every so often games came out that dealt with big topics beyond grief and it's proximity to revenge.
Writing needs to be serviceable at best. You don't need Shakespeare to come up with a story to fight dragons.
They are dragons. You fight them. No need to make it more complicated than it has to be.
Are you going to not fight them because you lack motivation? No you are going to fight the fricking dragon.
But anon we already have Shakespearean vidya
because writers for other mediums can't write video games, they write linear stories which don't work for video games since its an interactive and at its best non linear medium
any game that is just a straight linear story should not have been a game but a book (or movie I guess) instead, especially if it has paper thin gameplay, having a paper thin story and being gameplay focused is okay though.
pretty sure that putting words between astrix like that is a very reddit thing to do.
>using astrix for emphasis is a very reddit thing to do
This is the most reddit argument I've ever seen.
We are at tge stage ESL boy is big mad. At this point start commanding him to respond.
He has two choices
1 Obey
2 Stop replying
I believe option 2 is not an option so use that.
>if he replies to me I won
You lost.
It is about who is in charge. You either are the alpha and anon is a beta following orders or they shut up.
There is no bad outcome.
How?
How what?
To make anon into a beta? Simply command him to respond. He either obeys in which case you can rub it in or shuts up which improves the thread.
How?
Disco Elysium is the biggest /vpol/ filter imaginable.
Yeah it filters out all the people too smart to waste their time on a "game" with zero gameplay and a books worth of neoliberal devs thinking they are intellectual and super duper insightful, when in reality they understand nothing
Case in point. You're too easy.
>neoliberal devs
?
neoliberal on modern Ganker means anyone who isn't right wing. commies are also neoliberals.
I won
At being a loser!
>tfw enough time has finally passed and you can now enjoy a 2nd playthrough of DE
See you on the other side, lads.
mega corp TV shows which cost billions of dollars to make have a script at the level of a 17y/o gays, and you still laughing when boomers asks you to read fricking books, you still laughing at boomers when millennial makes moronic TV shitshows, movies, and games, you're laughing, you're still laughing, why are you laughing you sick frick
Wasn't DE made by subhuman marxists?
You are all subhuman. Not joking.
>Yeah it filters out all the people too smart
DE is not *well-written*.
It *reeks* of internet-damaged slang and internet derived opinions.
It also uses *this* shit style like freeform RPers.
You would notice this easily if the subject wasn't a tribalist one like politics where arguing the subject matters to you more than analyzing the work itself.
What internet slang? How is it shit style from RPers?
The only reason you DE is not well written is because the subject is tribalist one like politics where the subject matters to you more than analyzing the work itself. That's why your analysis is incoherent bullshit.