Why doesn't retail go back to the Classic "slower" leveling style of gameplay instead of the 2-3 attack ARPG speed leveling it's currently at?
More people over the last 2-3 years have been playing Classic WOW than Retail. How has no one on the Blizzard team raised an eyebrow over this?
>More people over the last 2-3 years have been playing Classic WOW than Retail
And its super weird.
>More people over the last 2-3 years have been playing Classic WOW than Retail. How has no one on the Blizzard team raised an eyebrow over this?
probably because it's not true
Raid log numbers prove it.
no they don't and the warcraftlogs owner himself said so
Classic WOW has like 7x more players than retail.
Because classic wow is the more casual MMO. It’ll always appeal to nostalgiagays and entire generations of younger people who have been incepted with “YOU HAD TO BE THERE” who think they missed out on something.
Retail Wow at endgame has much more difficult content by several orders of magnitude and infinite more skill expression in gameplay.
Classic Wow is really just a measure of time invested because it’s a really slow paced but easy ride. Retail is breakneck speed to endgame at which point you learn to actually get good as your spec.
>RAID RAID RAID RAID
>ENDGAME ENDGAME ENDGAME
Seriously, what the frick happened? When did it all devolve into endgame and raidhomosexualry?
what else are you going to do at max level if not max level content?
Make leveling actually meaningful and difficult?
Make zones that are worth exploring rather than just areas you visit for a few minutes before fricking off?
Make each item progression worthwhile and not just a rush for bigger number?
You know, all attributes that made MMOs worth giving a shit to begin with.
>Make leveling actually meaningful
it is meaningful, you get to the max level so you can start doing end game stuff
>difficult
leveling is already tedious enough. but i'm someone who never enjoyed leveling in mmos
>Make each item progression worthwhile and not just a rush for bigger number?
what does this even mean
So you don't actually like MMOs then. Why not play another genre that suits your ADHD zoomer brain then?
i don't like mmos because i don't enjoy one aspect of them? do you not like mmos because you don't like raids?
the goal of leveling is to get max level and do max level content
what the frick are you even trying to say
>the goal of leveling is to get max level and do max level content
and you said this unironically? why the frick aren't you playing D4? that games made for shit eaters almost as much as retail wow?
Leveling was always about the
<<<, the trials and social challenges you overcome, and the friends you meet along the way, SoD made focussing on this a priority, i like their direction and i hope they keep going with it.
>the goal of leveling is to get to max level and do endgame content
sorry zoomer, you got brainwashed by bad mmos
>RAID ENDGAME RAID RAID
You are the reason why retail is the way it is.
But raid raid raid is classic. Retail has so much more outside raids
like the other guy said there's actually much more to do outside of raids at max level on retail than on classic
They brought back Archaeology? Or professions outside of raid mats, for that matter?
You're not talking about dailies are you? That would be a cruel joke.
mythic+, arena, battlegrounds, mount farming, rep farming, transmog, etc
The goal of leveling is to have fun. If the only game is endgame then leveling serves no purpose and needs to be removed.
End game content has a way less userbase than the norm. If your leveling experience is meaningless then you will quit before you get to the end. How are you even supposed to know where the meaningful end you talk of is?
None of what you are saying makes sense
>Seriously, what the frick happened? When did it all devolve into endgame and raidhomosexualry?
Since the very beginning? That's is all WoW ever was since they never implemented a proper PVP system.
>When did it all devolve into endgame and raidhomosexualry?
From the moment they recruited EQ raiders to design their game, and those EQ raiders recruited WoW raiders (Ion) to design their game.
For those of use who liked leveling and 90% of the game and the world retail is ass. Retail's entire model right now is power level and skip everything to raidlog.
>Retail Wow at endgame has much more difficult content by several orders of magnitude and infinite more skill expression in gameplay.
but nobody cares, because unless you're a junkie who's ego is derived from your masochistic ability to eat shit and wipe in generic 5man dungeons 500x a month to clear the latest overtuned mythic boss with 50 addons and weakauras, your achievements are meaningless.
If i wanted to play a game that required dedication and skill, i'd play Elden Ring, not fricking WoW, Wow was built as a game that rewarded preparation and game knowledge, not tryhard, esport-reject tier "skill". If you can't defeat the boss without addons, you aren't good enough to defeat them at all.
Elden Ring doesnt require you to buy wow tokens to fund quick gear progression every tier, it doesnt require you to enter a highly toxic and cringy elitist environment filled with gatekeepers.
Retoilet is an abomination of an MMO, Dragussyflight fixed a few of the more egregious issues, but the entire game is cancer and they wont fix shit, junkies like you are what they're catering to with retoilet, they're capturing a new demographic and a horde of new players with Wow Classic and SoD. I've never seen soo many players who've never played WoW before than in the last 1 week since SoD's launch, its incredible. Annoying as shit as these guys are clueless, but incredible to see the new blood everywhere.
>Annoying as shit as these guys are clueless
no, it should be great that people don't know what's up. it's a teaching moment for you and others. a chance to rekindle the friendly spirit that online video game players used to have. being annoyed at lack of knowledge is the beginning of retailification.
and that's a good thing
They are two completely different games at this point. Getting to max level is just the tutorial for your class, that's when the real game begins.
Retail is both the ultra-casual (story, collect cosmetics, unthreatening open-world) and the ultra-hardcore (raids with 27 different mechanics, Mythic+) version of the game.
Classic is easy-ish, but nowhere near as easy as the easy parts of Retail.
>Classic is easy-ish, but nowhere near as easy as the easy parts of Retail
are you trolling
you can solo pull 5 mobs in retail and kill them all easily unless you're braindead and get flustered at a bunch of numbers
in classic if you solo pull 5 mobs, you better know what the frick you're doing or you just die
>in classic if you solo pull 5 mobs, you better know what the frick you're doing or you just die
but classic has no mechanical class skill involved. do you really think the "difficulty" of classic is anything more than tedium?
you almost certainly cannot pull ten mobs and aoe them down between level 40 and 60 unless youre twinking
>but classic has no mechanical class skill involved
For a minute I thought you were serious
>you almost certainly cannot pull ten mobs and aoe them down between level 40 and 60 unless youre twinking
In Retail? Of course you can. That's how I leveled-up my MW Monk two days ago. It's apparently even easier with a tank spec.
No? By "the easy parts of Retail" I mean the open-world content. You can pull ten mobs and AoE everything down, it's designed for giga-casual people who like to collect cosmetics.
The open-world in Classic isn't hard by any means (and it becomes easier the higher level you are, because it's clearly tuned for people with shitty gear), but you can easily die if you pull more than you can handle.
Basically, Classic goes to somewhat easy (open-world) to somewhat challenging (instanced content). Retail goes from braindead easy (open-world) to "only a handful of people in the entire world can beat this" (Mythic raids, high M+ keys).
Classic is braindead easy but tedious to braindead easy but 2 pieces of loot per 40 people
>Getting to max level is just the tutorial for your class, that's when the real game begins.
getting to max level in no way shape or form implements or requires the same rotation-optimization gameplay that is critical in endgame play
>Retail Wow at endgame has much more difficult content by several orders of magnitude and infinite more skill expression in gameplay.
>instal DBM and do whatever it tells you to do while you press buttons in the exact order icyveins told you to.
Wow, so hard. So skillful. You homosexuals are a fricking joke.
So why haven't you cleared the raid if it's so easy?
Are you inviting him to your guild run? Retail players are actually so nice, wow.
If he was able to just kill the boss easily every world first guild would be inviting him
So why hasn't he cleared yet?
Your an sweetie
My sweet, sweet summer child, don't you think that if that was true, Blizz would
pour tons of resources into classic?
Instead, you got som (some remixed gear and bosses) hardcore (a shitty addon but now it's heckin official) and sod (a bunch of unbalanced spells from other expansions+"raid" that's actually just a dungeon with some new bosses)
You got this trash but apparently it has x7 the players of retail. Lmao
Hundreds of thousands of players are paying $15 a month and all they could develop was some remixed content lmao. Blizzcucks are something else
SOD crashed the servers bro. Whats your next excuse?
because there were 4 servers lol
how many servers does retail have?
my oceanic server has up to 8 layers active all day long. Its been heavily upgraded from the servers we dealt with in 2019.
Its still a shitty system but its the best one we got, classic wow has inherent design problems that aren't solvable even with perfect tech.
The world itself was only designed for a few thousand active players max, split up into 2 factions, and only ~10% of them max in any single zone, thats how it was built from the ground up. But players dont want to only have 1-2 thousand other people to play with, they want 20,000. So we get endless layers now.
I give the servers handling the current load a 9/10 in comparison to past experiences dating back to OG TBC and Wrath.
They need someone to work on spawn rates. Some things still take way too long for the amount of people.
>Blizzdrones are trying out the shiny new thing included in the subscription
>that means that classic has x7 the players of retai
Meds. NOw
The average big Classic streamer on twitch has anywhere between 2.5k - 40k viewers. The average big Retail streamer on twitch has anywhere between 0.2k - 1k viewers. I think it’s clear which version of the game is more popular and more widely played.
https://www.esports.net/news/wow/world-of-warcraft-player-count/
Cool AI generated article. Great “estimates” and references it has there.
>Source: My estimates bro
as opposed to your inaccurate twitch views metric?
While using twitch for players numbers is fricking moronic, it's literally better than nothing.
Especially since Microsoft-Activision-Blizzard has been very vocal about working with streamers.
classic doesnt have a trial
you sure? classic and retail are the same subscription
you cant log into classic with trial. all of classic players are actual subscribers.
>2.4million players
that's about 40% bots though
frankly those numbers are ridiculously overinflated. If wow classic had 25 million unique players playing within a ~6 month time period, the company would be howling this record-shattering achievement to the high heavens as their stock prices climb. Those numbers are fantastical at best. Wow classic is doing good, not doing earth-shatteringly world record breaking good.
classic is filled with bots too
it's insane how many hunter bots i've ran into on season of discovery
here are some real numbers for you nerds
https://era.raider.io/character-rankings/season_of_discovery/world/all/all/all/17325
https://raider.io/mythic-plus-character-rankings/season-df-3/world/all/all/49081
Based moron, your article says that about 5x as many people play retail daily compared to classic, you just can't read good.
yes that's my stance
try reading the reply chain
Does Blizzard still offer a trial/level 20 run for WoW Classic? I've never played and just want to see what it's all about. I remember a similar offer for retail but never bothered and then moved house and didn't have access to my PC.
if not, is it worth paying for a month to check it out? Not worried about addiction because I have kids and 1-2 hours/night to game at most.
you can't trial WoW classic, only retail
woah thanks for all the info lads, won't waste my time or $
your problem with wow will be never accomplishing anything because you are expected to dedicate every waking moment just to make progress
1-2 hours a night in classic, you will hit lvl 60 in about 5 years of daily playing
uhh, season of mastery was just released last week, and has a current cap level of 25. You can hit that in 2 days of sweaty play no problem. Its what everyones playing.
Every MMO has serious problems, but i wouldnt pay too close attention to bitter junkies who quit years ago and their experiences, blizzard is wisely trying to move away from their experiences as the toxic environments they fostered.
I'm telling him the exact situation in this season I am currently playing. If you are interested in ameliorating this random's experience, invite him to your guild, rather than saying whatever that bullshit is.
As an aside, Blizzard is objectively catering to end-gamers that mistreat people, or they wouldn't have focused all of their development on a BFD raid.
Most of the work went into the rune system, the quests to obtain them and other mechanics like the priest prayer or ashenvale wpvp. Bfd is the same shit with a bunch of new abilities and items
No and no. The only time to play WoW patches or expansions are when they're brand new. Your encounters will all now be with miserable endgamers leveling alts and ignoring everyone.
> 2-3 attack ARPG speed leveling it's currently at
What do you mean?
You kill most mobs in 2 hits. If you hit them at range then again at close range they are dead. It’s nearly impossible to die in open world.
because most people who play it dont have the time to spend 3000000000 days leveling and then a further 30000 days to get geared
Why not? Do you need to rush to max level every time? Do you need gear to be distilled into a participation trophy?
Why is it so bad that others will be stronger than you? Can't you enjoy the ride?
NTA but most zoomers and ADHD millenials think this way, which is why retail is as unsatisfying as it is from a longterm gameplay perspective. Have this screenshot I saved for posterity.
>artificial time waster
>no you dont
Ebery tiem
Implying retail, which is magnitudes harder, is the participation trophy is a real joke
Literally all the boomers on classic are there because they can't cut it on retail and are mad that other people can play at a higher difficulty level than them, so they want the ceiling to be super low
the participation trophy is the idea that everyone deserves the best gear
If everyone has it, no one has it
Which is why "content" should involve the world and existing within it as another adventurer instead of everyone being the demigod champion hero running the same raid 6 million times
>the participation trophy is the idea that everyone deserves the best gear
Which happens in classic, because it's a joke
While in retail only the best players can actually clear content
That's better design for the game. If you want to "compete" at the highest level, your rating or cosmetics should matter, not gear.
This is all theoretical of course, because it was tried and no one wanted to participate. Because surprise, they don't actually care about skill, just gatekeeping.
>participation rewards are actually good!
No have a nice day moron
Nobody is gatekeepering you, you're free to git gud any time
I'm sorry you couldn't make it to the third sentence. We can use my key this time.
Real question; anyone else hate the level scaling?
why would they do that? the people who want that are already on classic so they would just be fricking over the people who still play the main game
Classictards are deluded junkies and don't even know why they hate retail. They literally have to make shit up.
>according to "the internet"
They are completely different games designed for different people/reasons
It's like wanting starcraft to be more like sim city. Blizzard realized people actually do still like classic which is exactly why they're capitalizing on it with SoD. Do you really expect them to roll back 20 years of changes on retail when the only people who play it are the ones who like the changes?
Modern WoW is what happens when you first try to expand and cater to as many people who aren't actually interested in MMOs as possible, then rapidly contract to desperately cling to the small % of hardcore players that are left after all the casuals who were never actually interested leave.
>Why doesn't retail go back to the Classic "slower" leveling style of gameplay
Because leveling in Retail is meticulously designed to be just enough of a chore to pressure players into buying Character Boosts.
You better believe there is a chart somewhere at Blizzard analyzing what duration, level of tediousness, degree of repetitiveness, and every other metric related to leveling maximizes the sale of boosts.
>Because leveling in Retail is meticulously designed to be just enough of a chore to pressure players into buying Character Boosts.
me when I lie on the internet
Do people really buy Character Boosts?
Do people spend $60 to avoid having to do an ~18 hour chore? Yes.
Yes. i know one of my friends who's a "live service gamer", I don't know how to call it else. He only plays rocket league, valorant and retail wow. He only plays M+ and raids in wow, he doesn't have the attention span for anything else, so he buys boosts when he wants to reroll and tokens when he needs money.
I think people like that are the core of retail's audience. They don't want an RPG, they just want high tension gameplay.
Classic isn't about the endgame, that's his point
Classic's leveling feels like a good old RPG, but with meeting random players, and that's something you don't find in today's gaming landscape, that's why so many people play classic.
I won't defend people who raidlog classic though. That shit is awful, the only good thing to do in classic when you reach max level is uninstalling.
Isn't leveling on retail actually too fast?
I was barely able to finish two zones on Kul Tiras before the troony dragon kicked me out last time I played it.
it is fast, they want you hooked on dopamine progress so the moment you run into a wall, you pay to overcome it, that wall being raiding/mythic dungeons/pvp. All of which are heavily monetised with losers making a living off guys like you paying for carries.
Again, it's simply meant to be a chore; the storylines being broken is just a casualty of some psychoanalyst at Blizzard calculating that leveling needs to be ~20 hours long, a certain level of braindead easy so that it's neither frustrating enough to make shitters quit, nor engaging enough for okay players to actually enjoy, and sending that data off to devs to figure out what furniture legs to snap off to make it fit.
People pushing world first Mythic are so good at the game that the content has to be tuned to be a challenge for the top 0.0001% of players, so combat has to be insanely hectic and require you to make a decision in under 2 seconds.
90% of players don't have the patience for that, and that's why Classic is more popular. Retail is niche bullshit
the biggest pro of retail is that the gear is cooler and more customizable
That looks moronic
I would customize it so that it looks nothing like that
so what? there's dozens of RPGs you can customise your shit with, nobody cares, if everyones a special snowflake, nobody is. Paid cosmetics are worthless, whether you buy them in a shop or pay with 20 wow tokens for a carry.
Once the novelty of playing vanilla again wore off I started missing faster leveling speed really quickly, leveling isn't fun no matter what so it might as well be faster.
>leveling isn't fun no matter what
loner loser endgame andy mentality
That doesn't really look like Tigole albeit
Endgame is the exact opposite of being a loner
Nobody is solo mythic raiding, but they are solo leveling, which is why it has no place in an MMO
Partially true; instancing is removed from the world, making it multiplayer and not MMO, which is why it has no place in an MMORPG.
A 20 man group is massive compared to standard parties, so actually it belongs in an MMO but dungeons dont
Raiding is the pinnacle of mmo content
It is not. That is not even massive for '90s FPSes.
>Living Flame EU STILL locked
honestly I lost all interest at this point.
I don’t play on empty ghost realms so LF is the only option
It isn't locked for me, my friend joined the server yesterday. Maybe Blizzard just hates you in particular.
larp. there’s threads about it on the official forums 24/7
Strange how my friend got in then if that's true. Maybe Blizzard loves us.
or maybe you are full of shit
Why would I lie about it? Living Flame EU was open for several days, I bet you just happened to check every time it was locked.
>More people over the last 2-3 years have been playing Classic WOW than Retail.
Are you sure about this?
>More people over the last 2-3 years have been playing Classic WOW than Retail
this statement is not correct
>preorder War Within
>decide to try current retail
>get to level 20 in an hour didnt feel right
>run dungeon finder
>cant do any classic, TBC, WOTLK, MOP, CATA, Legion etc dungeons
What the frick? So they basically made all the older dungeons useless and deleted them for what reason?
you can only do the dungeons of the campaign you're currently leveling in.
you could do TBC dungeons but you would have to roll a new character and level in TBC
>>run dungeon finder
>>cant do any classic, TBC, WOTLK, MOP, CATA, Legion etc dungeons
you can only do level appropriate dungeons through dungeon finder.
go to chromie in stormwind/org and change your timeline
you don't have to reroll don't listen to this guy
I recently tried retail leveling and it's absolutely atrocious
You're absurdly overpowered and can't die unless you really try to. You get flooded with spells you automatically learn but won't use properly because the enemies die just by looking at them. You also get flooded by gear. Dungeons are a speedrun aoe fest
It doesn't feel rewarding at all and it feels as if you aren't even playing the game
As started before in the thread, they are powerleveling you to endgame to raidlog.
Sweetie you need to understand that difficult gameplay can be distressing for players. Many of our fans are already dealing with trauma (emotional/physical) in their lives and play games to escape. Put yourself into the shoes of a young woman (male) dealing with the harsh realities of life, difficult gameplay could put them over the edge. It just doesn't make any business sense to scare away these people.
>More people over the last 2-3 years have been playing Classic WOW than Retail. How has no one on the Blizzard team raised an eyebrow over this?
>i know nothing about what goes on at blizzard and pay no attention to the podcasts, interviews and dev blogs that discuss exactly this
OP is a moron. Retail is a completely different game, a frankenstienian abomination of dopamine gameplay loops and predatory monetisation systems. It has no resemblance to classic wow, at all, its a degeneracy engine, sucking in and consuming dopamine junkies with its gear treadmill that never ends, and sexual perverts with its furry+pedo+scaly-bait characters and pozz-tier cringe storylines.
The only solution to "fix" retail is to delete it and make a new game. Or just build on WoW Classic, which is exactly what blizzard is doing this second.
>predatory monetisation systems
what exactly is predatory with retails monetization lol
the only games more predatory than retail wow are gacha games like Fate Grand Order. If you can't see how, you're soo fricking stuck in Koticks israelite-maze you're wasting everyones time even trying to bait with your frickwit responses.
>charging for expansions
>charging a sub fee
>charging for character boosts
>charging for server xfers
>charging for race-changes
>wow tokens
>poopsockers paypal-ing for carries to get fake qualifications just to be given the chance to actually raid mythic and catchup
>mount shops
>pet shops
>countless pointless cosmetic shops
Its predatory as frick and designed to make losers like you feel a false sense of satisfaction for paying for progression and paying for looks. Its disgusting, if you played other games you'd realise this.
I always hated the Warframe devs but their model is FAR less predatory than anything blizz puts out these days. The most incredible thing about WoW classic to me, is that they only require a basic sub for you to play it. I'm stunned they aren't charging for the Seasonal Access or throwing in mount shops or wow tokens or some shit.
Yes i know all about wrath classic, its dead now. Let it rest in piss.
>charging for expansions
>charging a sub fee
valid
>charging for character boosts
>charging for server xfers
>charging for race-changes
completely nonsense take
>poopsockers paypal-ing for carries to get fake qualifications just to be given the chance to actually raid mythic and catchup
actual skill issue if you think being such a casual you need to pay for carries to raid is 1) real 2) a blizzard problem
>mount shops
>pet shops
>countless pointless cosmetic shops
go look at how many cosmetics are in the shop because I think you're actually brain damaged
NB: The ``skill'' he is referring to in his example is building your WoW CV, and social engineering
>actual skill issue if you think being such a casual you need to pay for carries to raid is 1) real 2) a blizzard problem
the FACT that this is in the game, and is endemic, IS the problem, you being willfully ignorant of it in your tiny butt-buddy bubble means nothing.
Entire documentary series have been released documenting these predatory systems largely allowed by blizzard, stop being a disingenuous shit eating homosexual and face reality for once in your life. The fact you needed an entire hour to come up with this pathetic response says it all.
>go look at how many cosmetics are in the shop because I think you're actually brain damaged
if thats your response, clearly you are beyond part of the problem, you ARE the problem, go buy a shiny new mount/""collectors"" edition slop and soi-face over it to your hearts content, just do it alone, knowing nobody cares.
it's okay asmon
because after downing intergalatic demons it would be wierd
>retail-
>How has no one on the Blizzard team raised an eyebrow over this?
remember when classic had to merge servers because there were so many dead ones 6 months after release
You know it's pathetic when Gankerirgins who could never do raids are mad over them because sour grapes.
>You know it's pathetic when Gankerirgins who could never take the largest dragon dildo to the hilt are mad over them because sour grapes
nobodys mad at their reluctance to eat shit. Retail junkie shit-eaters came into this thread sperging about your worthless achievements in a toxic, predatory game nobody with any kind of self-respect wants to play. Acting like you're better than us because you eat-shit like an olympian.
Go work in a sewer then. Nobody cares about retail.
>Retail junkie shit-eaters came into this thread sperging
OP is literally a classicboomer talking shit about retail
so what? i already pointed out how OP was a clueless moron who did 0 research about his complaint. Everyone knows retail is shit.
as much as i hate to admit it, to be fair, retails lack of popularity is partly because its soo wildly overcomplicated, only experienced retail players have any idea wtf the streamers are actually doing. Anyone can sit back and watch a wow classic stream, same with a counter strike tournament team.
Retail doesn't need to go back to a classic style, because classic already exists. They're focusing on classic now mostly because it makes more money for the effort required to implement (classic content mostly already exists and captures the "seasonal" playerbase, "non-seasonal" retail players will continue to sub and play retail even if it gets no content for a whole year)
People don't want to play RPGs, they want to roll on loot
>several sources stating that classic has way less players than retail
>no source at all saying classic has more
>moron still parroting that classic has more
so it's a bait thread then
It's guesstimates on both sides, because Blizzard doesn't give out their player numbers
there's plenty of evidence to suggest that classic doesn't have a huge playerbase such as
Almost all the retail servers are dead, and most of them are merged into clusters. The amount only indicates that there were lots of people at one time, in the distant past.
if you go on Twitch right now and look, there's more people watching Classic than retail by a landslide. Retail is dead, nobody likes Dragonflight as much as classic
Retail was top of twitch during the most recent RWF
RWF is watched by a lot of people who won't even touch retail like me and my friends
and that isn't the same for SoD where people just default to watching asmongold or whoever and won't actually touch the game?
RWF is good gameplay, Asmongold's stream is not. RWF is a chance for people with a life to experience the content without being a sweaty raider. Asmongold's stream is a place for attentionprostitute nuthuggers to follow him around and trade him gold (but at least they're logged into the game)
sure but he still gets a large amount of viewers by default which inflates the SoD viewership metric without really indicating game interest
What I'm getting at is retail is a game to watch, not a game to play. Classic is a game to play, not a game to watch. And it's still bigger in terms of views right now.
>look at these viewership numbers, it means classic is better
>but rwf also got big numbers
>well that doesnt mean players
>but most of SoD viewers are just people who watch the same streamer no matter what
>well thats because viewership numbers dont matter (but they do)
you obsessive boomers are moronic
Delusional, classics gameplay is cookie clicker tier
stop sperging about your WORTHLESS achievements in retoilet, nobody cares.
im allowed to be annoyed, but i wont just sit there abusing them like a toxic homosexual of course, i at worst bluntly tell them "just install DBM/Pallypower/generic addon that solves this problem".
My biggest blowup, which wasnt a big deal, in SoD thus far was against an experienced player, not a noob.
>just install DBM/Pallypower/generic addon that solves this problem
if someones too stupid not to see the fire beneath their feet, or look for a spawning totem, i can only say "look out for X" soo many times, it becomes redundant, thats where handholding addons like DBM come in.
I don't need it, they do.
That's it. That's the problem. Retail has a frickhuge barrier of entry compared to classic. That's why nobody fricking plays retail.
SoD just came out and judging anything by twitch views is just moronic
the most watched streamer on all of twitch last month was a retail streamer
I'm tired of levelling.
I like the retail endgame
Frick everything. Is there anything more appalling than the fact that people STILL want to play WoW? In ANY form?
Can't you fricking people ever move on from this game? It's never going to go back to what it was or give you the same feeling.
actually i got the feeling back quite a bit, im more jaded myself, but huge proportions of the players on my server are entirely new to the game, COMPLETELY new. SoD is a success like i never expected.
sodapoppin is talking about how there's nothing to do on season of discovery
classicbros it's over....
Leveling has always been more fun then end game content in wow.
Blizzgays are addicted to shit
the retail experience is so shit especially if you’re a new player. I was enjoying myself on classic so I thought I would give retail a try. They just drop in you in the bfa expansion I have no idea what the frick is going on. Leveling doesn’t matter they just push you to endgame as fast as possible
Awful experience
Is the story and writing of retail good? Are we back to great writing of WC3 and SC1 yet?
absolutely not
>Are we back to great writing of WC3
the good writing largely fell off by the end of TBC frankly, i enjoy wrath gameplay a lot, but the writing went to shit rapidly, Arthas becoming a toothless saturday morning cartoon villain was cringe. His fight was okay, but made little sense, most of his abilities were non-sensical and purely designed to challenge the player, not give them a sense of the stakes of the battle or the emotions you're supposed to feel. The Illidan fight was better in that respect.
https://twitch.tv/champepro/clip/GorgeousWanderingEggTriHard-mttHGHaj1y2nnxPa
lol that new dragonflight expansion is legit the gayest shit I’ve ever seen in any mmo
plenty of people playing both. good time to be a wowchad
Compare how many servers classic has vs retail. Classic isn't as popular as you think.
im in orgrimmar on classic EU right now and it’s a ghost town
ghost towns are cozy and SOVLful
This boomer mindset is so hilarious to me
>I'm so shit at video games that I want my character power to be directly correlated to how much time I spent in the game
Go play classic if you want slow gameplay and flex your 3000+ hours played. Retail is for big boy gamers who actually have to be skilled at their characters.
retoilet has 20 years of leveling content with completely schizophrenic timeline and retcon galore. Not to mention blizzard were the ones who invented "only endgame matters bro" mmo design. They simply cant even if they wanted to