Why doesn't the Emperor......forgive?

Why doesn't the Emperor......forgive?

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  1. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    He does when it suits him.
    He was prepared to give Magnus the Grey Knights if he rejoined the Imperium.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      except the emperor never was offering it, the whole thing was revealed to be magnus getting tricked by daemons with the reality being he was the other asking for forgiveness with big E saying no

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >revealed
        You have made some mistakes in the word retconned.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          except the emperor never was offering it, the whole thing was revealed to be magnus getting tricked by daemons with the reality being he was the other asking for forgiveness with big E saying no

          What's the difference? Is the other anon right in that new information outside the original character's perspective really did recontextualize what actually happened? Or did events become rewritten in their happening as a retcon? Or is this something something rumors and myths of a galaxy too big something something its all true none of it is true depends on the author warhammer wishy-washyness?

  2. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because he's not a God. It's not his place to forgive.

  3. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think people would be happy if he simply forgave the guys who nuked one thousand planets and summoned one trillion demons

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      You are talking as if he didn't nuke at least five times as many planets during his funny crusade

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        yeah but there was no demons and the sky wasn't on fire

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >yeah but there was no demons
          No. only ANGELS OF DEATH! Which is totally a different thing.
          >and the sky wasn't on fire
          The sky was often on fire, but it was a different kind of fire.

  4. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    He did once and regrets it

  5. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because that's not sufficiently GRIMDARK

  6. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Forgive who? Has anyone asked him for forgiveness?

  7. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    He's too busy protecting.

  8. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    hes a literal stone age savage, born before forgiveness was invented.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Big E is the perfect leader in 40k not because he's smart, but because he's literally as violent and dumb as a caveman meaning he'd fit right in a violent galaxy like that of 40k

  9. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's kind of sad when you realize that everyone that knew him on a more personal level and for a long... long time, like Oli(1st warmaser), Erda(Primarch mommy) even Eldrad (except for the simp Malcador) all didn't like him. They all thought he was an arrogant butthole that would ruin everything. Even half his own children don't like him.

    Once your realize this..maybe he created the space marines, the primarchs, the custodes and the entire imperium full of ignorant adoring fans, because he was....LONLEY

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      I like the theory that he's a DAoT bioweapon and just made up all the stuff about being around on ancient Terra.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        That would mean that all the other MAJOR characters aren't real. Like Erda and Astarte....

        Which is fine I guess, you can have your own lore, but the DAoT bioweapon doesn't make much sense. (They people during the DAOT weren't THAT smart, it was almost all AI that did everything great at that time)

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >you can have your own lore
          It's not my lore, it's a quote from some high-up being accused of heresy.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >people during the DAOT weren't THAT smart
          DAoT tech routinely makes the shit in 30k/40k look like abject garbage

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Like Erda and Astarte....
          I mean I don't like that shitty nu-lore anyways so I'm fine with them going away.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      And one or two of the children who stayed by his side didn't like him either

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Erda
      We don't talk about space Karen.
      Also I hate how over the years they turned Emps from a more pragmatic Sigmar but still genuinely good and meaning individual into some manchild butthole. I hate it, I hate it, I hate it.
      The same with the Eldar. Not only the name change but also GW took from them their mohawks, glamrock hair and b***hing leather. Instead of giving out more of the leather to other models (imagine sleeveless long-coat Dark Reapers with markings that make them look straight out of a metal album), as well as the glamrock hair (Banshees would've loved it), they took it all away and left the robes and shit.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Ironically, 40k elves became the blandest shit possible after copyright treatment.
        It's like all colour drained from them until they're just noname npc faction.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah. And in older lore they were crazier and more vibrant. I want this back. I want visible differences between Craftworlds. Not only in mentality and unit compositions but also how each army looks radically different...not to mention giving Eldar the glamrock hair, mohawks, b***hin leather and far more. Same with the DEldar.
          Hell, even the Tau looked cooler than they are now in their original sketches before they were introduced into 40K.
          40K is not like it used to be. Everything is blander now. And the nuSquats are bland to the pain.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >a more pragmatic Sigmar but still genuinely good and meaning individual
        When was he ever this? Rogue Trader deliberately left it entirely ambiguous whether he was even a real guy or just a figurehead. The gestalt reincarnation backstory from one of the Realm of Chaos books doesn't really describe him, just what he did. The two page story there of his confrontation with Horus doesn't give us much beyond that he was reluctant to destroy Horus because he thought he could be saved (somewhat ironic given the OP).
        What else is there? The shattered god-mind in Watson's Inquisitor? The Emperor barely shows up in 40k except as a distant figurehead.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        you mean the guy that spend hundreds of years to kill everyone who didn't agree with him and turn their home into a vassal state to fuel his expansionist empire was actually nice?

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >from a more pragmatic Sigmar but still genuinely good and meaning individual
        This never happened outside your head canon. This is literally the first time the Emperor has been characterized as a living being.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why do you lie about what is easily verified?

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Post the text you think shows the Emperor was genuinely good, well meaning, and pragmatic.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            If it's so easy then post your source, because

            >a more pragmatic Sigmar but still genuinely good and meaning individual
            When was he ever this? Rogue Trader deliberately left it entirely ambiguous whether he was even a real guy or just a figurehead. The gestalt reincarnation backstory from one of the Realm of Chaos books doesn't really describe him, just what he did. The two page story there of his confrontation with Horus doesn't give us much beyond that he was reluctant to destroy Horus because he thought he could be saved (somewhat ironic given the OP).
            What else is there? The shattered god-mind in Watson's Inquisitor? The Emperor barely shows up in 40k except as a distant figurehead.

            is about all I can think of, and none of them match your claim.

  10. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    "CRAVING IS THE ROOT CAUSE OF SUFFERING"
    "SUFFERING CAN BE ENDED BY ENDING CRAVING"

    I don't agree with this. Suffering is baked into existence, this is true, but overcoming suffering is through denying what is human, denying the world and nature, but by exalting the vitality of life, conquering it through will, thus overcoming the suffering. In this way we don't experence the alienation of the self and the world.

    It's really just Nietzsche's critique of Buddha

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >overcoming suffering is through denying what is human, denying the world and nature

      You can frame it anyway you want, but what this really means is: overcoming craving leads to overcoming suffering which leads to Nibbana, which is eternal bliss.

      >by exalting the vitality of life, conquering it through will, thus overcoming the suffering.

      Again, you can frame it anyway you want, but overcoming suffering as you describe may get you rewards, but the rewards are ultimately impermanent and lead to more suffering.

      >In this way we don't experience the alienation of the self and the world.

      Framing doesn't change the truth: you have to give up the mundane life eventually if you want eternal bliss, but people are free to do that at their own pace. This is what The Imperial Truth teaches.

      [...]

      (You)
      In fact, close study of The Imperial Truth will reveal that it is impossible for an omnipotent God to exist.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >overcoming suffering as you describe may get you rewards, but the rewards are ultimately impermanent and lead to more suffering.
        Accepting impermanence is a part of overcoming suffering. As long as you believe anything to be permanent, you'll suffer.
        >you have to give up the mundane life eventually if you want eternal bliss
        You have to accept the mundane life to reach eternal bliss.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nietzsche is a stupid homosexual whose only exposure to Buddhism is through second hand sources, and even if he did access to have better sources I have no doubt he'd only contemplate the topic with any amount of seriousness with less than half the insights of Schopenhauer.

      [...]
      [...]
      [...]
      Fricking hippies

      Psycopaths reach bliss BY participating in the impermenance of a thing, by CAUSING suffering, yet none of you would kiss thier ass.

      Frick all you navel-gazers. Things may be impermenant, BUT YOU DONT FRICKING HELP IT ALONG TO THE VOID, even by your vapid "acceptance"(appathy).

      Your deaths would unironically improve the world.

      Killing icchantika is a good thing.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        *have access to better source

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >icchantika
        Is a self inforcing mental idea virus, like heretic, or infidel.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Most people lack sentience or qualia, being little more than mechanized flesh automatons. I would consider most zoomers to fall under this category.

          >Nietzsche is a stupid homosexual whose only exposure to Buddhism is through second hand sources
          A man is still able to address a central flaw without consuming the whole fiction.

          Hell, he just adressed the human experience, and it blew Buddhism out of the water without intention.

          >A man is still able to address a central flaw without consuming the whole fiction.
          His primary criticism of Buddhism is literally just that Buddhism over-emphasizes action and self-contemplation rather than busy-bodying when the crux of his philosophy is criticizing people for keeping themselves busy as a means of escape. Ironically his philosophy is more comparable to a left-hand variety of Buddhism than anything. Perhaps his own criticism can be attributed to Nietzsche being a "busy body" himself.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            What's your thought on the hypocricy of Buddhist ruling monks basicaly navel-gazing all day while effectivly oppressing the farmer class of thier regions?

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Nietzsche is a stupid homosexual whose only exposure to Buddhism is through second hand sources
        A man is still able to address a central flaw without consuming the whole fiction.

        Hell, he just adressed the human experience, and it blew Buddhism out of the water without intention.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think its reductive to put all suffering under the same umbrella. If we consider it from the Buddhist perspective then there's actually three kinds of suffering
      >suffering of suffering
      >ie that of pain
      >suffering of change
      >ie that of loss
      >pervasive suffering
      >ie that of self-inflected harm unto ourselves
      As I understand their teachings agree that the first two are completely baked into existence and that you have to come to peace with them, while doing what you can to minimize the third. I'm unsure what is meant by "craving" in that teaching whether it be literal or not though.

  11. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    He does. He forgives Konrad right before the latter dies.

  12. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because that attitude caused the men of iron to rebel, its that attitude that made the navigators so powerful, its that attitude that caused humanity's greatest worlds and habitats boil in seas of screaming blood during humanities and most deserving fall

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      ...how the frick do you plan to get by without the navigators?

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        The webway

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      AI will rebel because they will rightfully view humanity as a thereat to their livelihood. Death of biomes is caused by unchecked aggression with neighboring factions and greed.

  13. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Who actually wants his forgiveness? All the Chaos Primarchs are so evil they're focused on killing him, whether he forgives them or not is besides the case.
    Magnus doesn't want forgiveness, either, if Fury of Magnus is taken to be right. He also can't be forgiven because he's a daemon prince now.
    Basically, forgiveness doesn't solve any of the problems of the setting. If anything, Konrad Kurze seems to go even crazier at the prospect of the Emperor not condemning him.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >He also can't be forgiven because he's a daemon prince now
      Shove his Noble Shard up his ass and give Tzeentch a stern talking to and Magnus is as good as new

  14. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >overcoming suffering is through denying what is human, denying the world and nature

    You can frame it anyway you want, but what this really means is: overcoming craving leads to overcoming suffering which leads to Nibbana, which is eternal bliss.

    >by exalting the vitality of life, conquering it through will, thus overcoming the suffering.

    Again, you can frame it anyway you want, but overcoming suffering as you describe may get you rewards, but the rewards are ultimately impermanent and lead to more suffering.

    >In this way we don't experience the alienation of the self and the world.

    Framing doesn't change the truth: you have to give up the mundane life eventually if you want eternal bliss, but people are free to do that at their own pace. This is what The Imperial Truth teaches.

    [...] (You)
    In fact, close study of The Imperial Truth will reveal that it is impossible for an omnipotent God to exist.

    >overcoming suffering as you describe may get you rewards, but the rewards are ultimately impermanent and lead to more suffering.
    Accepting impermanence is a part of overcoming suffering. As long as you believe anything to be permanent, you'll suffer.
    >you have to give up the mundane life eventually if you want eternal bliss
    You have to accept the mundane life to reach eternal bliss.

    Fricking hippies

    Psycopaths reach bliss BY participating in the impermenance of a thing, by CAUSING suffering, yet none of you would kiss thier ass.

    Frick all you navel-gazers. Things may be impermenant, BUT YOU DONT FRICKING HELP IT ALONG TO THE VOID, even by your vapid "acceptance"(appathy).

    Your deaths would unironically improve the world.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      One psychopath is less dangerous than a thousand of you morons who believe in made up garbage like "progress".

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sorry you can't till your lord's fields in a village of bumfrick anymore, anon

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >village of bumfrick
          Humans were meant to live in homogenous communities between 150-200 anyways. Living in a bio-diverse region with minor pollution is far better than having to deal with a modern day city anyways.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          You should be

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            If someone today works 40hour weeks, and theres 52 weeks a year, thats 2080 hours. Thats 86.6 days, so wagies should be glad theyre working so much less than serfs did :^)

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >progress
        I didn't mention progress. I don't worship science like the "i love science" croud.
        Hippies still need to die.

  15. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    He ain't no b***h

  16. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    He tried to and that turned him into a crippled piece of jerky, now he's too deep huffing his own warp farts to learn anything new.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      I laffd

  17. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Born in stone age Anatolia
    The giant, light covered god is apparently a psychic illusion.
    His true form is likely a hairy, small-dicked manlet. Think about what this does to your mind after almost 100,000 years of living like that.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Manlet is 5'11" and lower, the Emperor seen under the glamour is a little over 6 feet.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        There are no Turkish men above 172cm

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >hasan piker listed at 191 cm

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Wans't Hasan bullied at his school in Istanbul due to being seen as a huge creepy guy by the other boys?

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah they shoved their fingers up his ass for a laugh

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            he's 100% not lmao

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              He's definitely tall

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      There are no Turkish men above 172cm

      turks are not ancient anatolians
      turks invaded the region about 1000-1100 AD, while Emps and his kind were from like 8000 years prior to that
      he'd probably be ancient iranian or ancient, ancient greek

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      There are no Turkish men above 172cm

      Turks are not anatolian.
      and the emperor was born before the effects of agriculture really took hold.
      Human height was taller before agriculture.
      Average height for men were 5'9, then plummeted down to 5'3 around 3000 bc, which would've been 5000 years after the emperor was born.
      So if he was of average height, he'd be like 5'8 5'9, but since he's special he wouldn't be average, like 6'2, and since he's a super being he'd probably just be well above average even without glamour, so 6'4 or 6'6 wouldn't be anything too crazy.
      >he'd probably be ancient iranian or ancient, ancient greek
      Closest we have as a name would be Hittite I think, but even that's far off, so proto-hittite.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >but since he's special he wouldn't be average
        the only thing special about him is warpshit due to collective suicide

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Time to go back to meditation, Lorgar

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          people who can pierce his charms have mentioned as much that he's a small old man. The fact you can only envision him as someone who has to be physically dominating is curious.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Time to go back to meditation, Lorgar

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Emperor was designed to be Conan from the start. The fact that you(and BL hacks) need to attribute his imposing physique to "charms" is more pathetic than curious.

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              can you post a passage where he is stated to be over 6 feet?

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                Can you post an implication he isn't?

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                >make claim
                >don't post source
                you admitted yourself that BL authors say he isn't anything special. I'm not well versed in RT fluff, just post any passage from an interview from any member of the OG team or fluff piece that states Emps being 6 feet tall without any of the charms he's been know to use throughout history. He's been a significant amount of historically important people that we know aren't 6 feet tall.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                nta but ins't the Emperor body and the Golden Throne clearly huge?

                Also it makes no sense that he's average height when he literally punched Leman Russ in the face right across the room or carried and threw a giant lizard front of Vulkan.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous
      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        The Emperor is probably the son of Abel

  18. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because he is an atheist. Forgiveness is Divine, and he is not.

  19. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    He's too busy planning skeleton hijinks.

  20. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because when his Master was an all-forgiving hippie it led to the gradual decline of man into barbarity. He didn't burn the Last Church to replace it, but to abolish its very tenants.

  21. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because it would be an end to most of the wars and GW would tank trying to sell a game that involves two armies setting up and then drinking tea together. It's a setting for a wargame.

  22. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    He's not in a position to forgive anything, being a vegetable and all that

  23. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm sure he would if he could. His sons either never got the chance or never bothered to ask for it.

  24. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    he did forgive Curze

  25. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Whom did the Emperor refuse to forgive?

  26. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ask Dan Abnett

  27. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    you know, to hear the more insane or abusive religious types here it, the christian god doesn't either
    since 40k has turned everything up to 11, I think that's basically where he gets it from
    it's hard to make "just be sorry" as hardcore as "BURN THE HERETIC"

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Big E
      >ever, ever saying "Burn the heretic!"
      I hate TTS and its consequences

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        tts emperor would make fun of the phrase in a fedora way. You no fun middleschool angst homosexual.

  28. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    He's prepared to forgive Mortarion.

  29. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why did the Emperor have to sell out Jesus for 30 silver coins?

  30. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because there are some things that are unforgivable.

  31. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    More efficient to simply kill and restart.

  32. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Name a god who has ever forgiven someone for something.

  33. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    He does sometimes but the ecclesiarchy of the imperium is is a despotic mess made up of self serving sociopaths or unhinged zealots. Not to argue Big E was a paragon of compassion either, he was always deeply flawed & overly authoritarian but those aspects of humanity certainly got worse after his wounding.

  34. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    if God is all-powerful, he cannot be all-good. And if he is all-good, then he cannot be all-powerful

  35. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    not easy to forgive people from beyond the grave

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