Because creating a plot in a multiversal world that has consequences, consistent internal rules and a lack of gaping plot holes is extremely difficult. You typically end up with a story that breaks as soon as your begin digging into it.
It's doesn't really touch multiverse in the traditional sense, but the amber series set it up in a way that makes multiverses enjoyable. As if existence was just variables that the characters could express and reduce while traveling. At most you would have a character bring a dead version of themselves.
It absolutely fricking does. Besides falling ass first through all of Heinlein's body of work, it becomes meta at the end where all of his former protagonists are members of a reality hopping league of super heroes fighting against an evil organization before realizing they're all fictional.
Multiverse doesn't exclusively mean EWG multi-worlds hypothesis.
>it becomes meta at the end where all of his former protagonists are members of a reality hopping league of super heroes fighting against an evil organization before realizing they're all fictional.
Wait, really? I have the great book of amber, and have only read far as the first four pages of merlin's story. I intend to reread corwin's story before continuing.
No I'm talking about Heinlein's cat who Walks through Walls.
It late in heinleins career so its a lot of horny grandpa fricking, but its interesting because of how it intersects his collected works (which mostly exist on the same timeline).
>NO YOU SEE [marketable character] ISN'T DEAD BECAUSE... LE MULTIVERSE!!! THAT'S WHY [marketable character] IS BACK!!!
You aren't smart. In-fact you are the dumbest motherfricker around to pull a garbage multiverse asspull. It is second-only to time travel. If I'm well aware that there are no consequences in your setting then I do not care about any of your characters.
Time travel is fine with adequate restrictions, framing, and restraint from the author (HAHA JUST KIDDING no authors that touch time travel have this anymore). Multiverse is fricked by definition. It's the absolute worst kind of determinism.
>Change a pre-existing character from a piece of fiction from white to black >Fans call this out >"IT'S MULTIVERSE STORY YOU BIGOTS!!! THERE ARE INFINITE UNIVERSES, SO OF COURSE ONE OF THEM WILL BE ANOTHER RACE!
that and most modern day writers are complete hacks who follow every major gimmick that is presented. Capeshit specifically has always been infested with multiverse shit. It the modern day time travel. But now every writer feel the need to explain the concept of multiverse theory as if it hasn't been done to death due to the success of Marvel(Fiona and Cake specifically).
tldr: NPC theory is real. Writers think copying something else = profit. Lot of people on this earth are moronic.
Is there any media that actually go deep into the multiverse stuff? What I mean is stuff like actual worldbuilding, interactions between universes that go deeper than usual "your doppelganger in universe X is evil/dead/alive/rich" kinda plot.
There is a game I play where the setting used to be a multiverse, but then the current almighty god crushed them all into a single universe. Does that count?
because
1) most games don't have a continuity large enough to warrant it, and
2) the audience has been sufficiently poisoned on the idea by Disney not having a clue on how to effectively execute one
It's okay maybe if you use multiverse shit as an excuse to do a spinoff or something that has new interpretations of characters, settings, etc. But most of the time the idea of infinite universes just removes all stakes because God Superman from universe 2135413876 can fix everything
Don't be moronic, in comics DC was the first one to acknowledge a multiverse, and were the first ones to have events across all their titles, which quickly escalated into CHRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS!
Planar travel is not the same when people talk about multiverse stories.
It's a shame the Fhjull chapter got cut, it was supposed to be the evil section to complete the Good (Trias), Neutral (Ravel) and Evil alignments
Imagine loving a coherent series only to witness it degenerate into multiverse nonsense because a higher up or two has a phobia of properly connected stories with lasting consequences
Trying to be creative with multiverse shenanigans is pretty fricking tricky, and even harder to be original. I mean, I was daydreaming of writting a book where a bunch of cosmic beings tank an infinite multiverse, into a couple of douzen universe...And that leads to a bunch of shenanigansBut then I realized that Disgaea kinda did that
They wouldn't be arranged in a three dimensional space like that, and then it all depends what model of multiple universe you're talking about.
Many worlds quantum tomfoolery would just be probabilities existing in a superimposed cloud.
Personally I've always liked cosmic darwinism. An idea that any universe that creates singularities creates basement or daughter universes from those singularities. Its an answer to the fine tuning problem because universes where the laws of physics and values of constants lead to more singularities produce more daughter universes, which can still jigger those values to create universes that give birth to more universes.
There would be no way to go from one to the other, since they're disconnected by definition, but would still be "related."
String theory would have them just off set from us in a higher dimension, and those are contained in giant membranes that bump into other membranes and the points of intersection are where new universes are formed.
The best answer is: pic related.
Because everything multiverse is lazy and suck
Because it's shit with no consequences. Only the most narratively bankrupt idiots make everything a multiple world.
It's gay
Because creating a plot in a multiversal world that has consequences, consistent internal rules and a lack of gaping plot holes is extremely difficult. You typically end up with a story that breaks as soon as your begin digging into it.
Exploring alternate possibilities is too hard for lazy writers so they just make "what if uninteresting brown woman"
Creatively bankrupt
Name 1 good multiverse story.
Shin Megami Tensei and Final Fantasy
not a game but the one starring jet li
Which one?
The one.
He hunts himself throughout the multiverse so that he can become a god like being.
Which one? You keep being vague.
the one where the underlying theme is circle vs straight line
THE MOVIE CALLED "THE ONE" YOU GOD DAMN CONCRETE APE. YOU THINK YOU'RE FUNNY?
What do you mean? This anon
makes me think it's the first one, right?
So who is on second?
yes that one , whats it called?
Hot Coldman
That DC animated movie with James Woods as the nihilist alt universe batman
the Xeelee Sequence 🙂
Sanderson's Cosmere in its early stages before it was doomed to never be completed
Spider Man Shattered Dimensions
It's doesn't really touch multiverse in the traditional sense, but the amber series set it up in a way that makes multiverses enjoyable. As if existence was just variables that the characters could express and reduce while traveling. At most you would have a character bring a dead version of themselves.
It absolutely fricking does. Besides falling ass first through all of Heinlein's body of work, it becomes meta at the end where all of his former protagonists are members of a reality hopping league of super heroes fighting against an evil organization before realizing they're all fictional.
Multiverse doesn't exclusively mean EWG multi-worlds hypothesis.
>it becomes meta at the end where all of his former protagonists are members of a reality hopping league of super heroes fighting against an evil organization before realizing they're all fictional.
Wait, really? I have the great book of amber, and have only read far as the first four pages of merlin's story. I intend to reread corwin's story before continuing.
No I'm talking about Heinlein's cat who Walks through Walls.
It late in heinleins career so its a lot of horny grandpa fricking, but its interesting because of how it intersects his collected works (which mostly exist on the same timeline).
oh okay, i just mention them because it was also a book. From the Wikipedia artical alone it seems to suck
I wonder if people know about the Myst series these days for answering it to start an argument
Monster Girl Quest
>NO YOU SEE [marketable character] ISN'T DEAD BECAUSE... LE MULTIVERSE!!! THAT'S WHY [marketable character] IS BACK!!!
You aren't smart. In-fact you are the dumbest motherfricker around to pull a garbage multiverse asspull. It is second-only to time travel. If I'm well aware that there are no consequences in your setting then I do not care about any of your characters.
>THAT'S WHY [marketable character] IS BLACK!!!
Time-skip abilities are dumber than typical time travel.
Time travel is fine with adequate restrictions, framing, and restraint from the author (HAHA JUST KIDDING no authors that touch time travel have this anymore). Multiverse is fricked by definition. It's the absolute worst kind of determinism.
Multiverse is gay and boring.
>Change a pre-existing character from a piece of fiction from white to black
>Fans call this out
>"IT'S MULTIVERSE STORY YOU BIGOTS!!! THERE ARE INFINITE UNIVERSES, SO OF COURSE ONE OF THEM WILL BE ANOTHER RACE!
that and most modern day writers are complete hacks who follow every major gimmick that is presented. Capeshit specifically has always been infested with multiverse shit. It the modern day time travel. But now every writer feel the need to explain the concept of multiverse theory as if it hasn't been done to death due to the success of Marvel(Fiona and Cake specifically).
tldr: NPC theory is real. Writers think copying something else = profit. Lot of people on this earth are moronic.
Is there any media that actually go deep into the multiverse stuff? What I mean is stuff like actual worldbuilding, interactions between universes that go deeper than usual "your doppelganger in universe X is evil/dead/alive/rich" kinda plot.
Steins Gate
There is a game I play where the setting used to be a multiverse, but then the current almighty god crushed them all into a single universe. Does that count?
xenoblade 3 sucks
Different game that's worse than XBC3
My condolences mate. Stop before you get too invested to leave it unfinished
It's too late, I'm already far too invested in this shitty game.
bitches don't know about my bramfaturas
https://files.catbox.moe/fgz775.jpg
Multiverses are fricking gay
because
1) most games don't have a continuity large enough to warrant it, and
2) the audience has been sufficiently poisoned on the idea by Disney not having a clue on how to effectively execute one
>all these posts calling multiverse themes lame
Im glad the overwhelming consensus is correct here.
isnt the entire rogue-like genre along with souls-likes just games about a person experiencing quantum suicide
It's the only thing more cringe than time travel
It's okay maybe if you use multiverse shit as an excuse to do a spinoff or something that has new interpretations of characters, settings, etc. But most of the time the idea of infinite universes just removes all stakes because God Superman from universe 2135413876 can fix everything
>Multiverse is powered by tentacle rape
>multiverses
I hate marvel for spreading this cancer, as well as whedonism.
There is zero (0) good stories using this garbage.
Don't be moronic, in comics DC was the first one to acknowledge a multiverse, and were the first ones to have events across all their titles, which quickly escalated into CHRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS!
>implying
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because its a crutch for shit writing
??? am I on the right board???
Planar travel is not the same when people talk about multiverse stories.
It's a shame the Fhjull chapter got cut, it was supposed to be the evil section to complete the Good (Trias), Neutral (Ravel) and Evil alignments
Imagine loving a coherent series only to witness it degenerate into multiverse nonsense because a higher up or two has a phobia of properly connected stories with lasting consequences
It is very, very hard to pull off a good multiverse story
And sadly the whole concept is so tainted right now that no one would want to try
Trying to be creative with multiverse shenanigans is pretty fricking tricky, and even harder to be original. I mean, I was daydreaming of writting a book where a bunch of cosmic beings tank an infinite multiverse, into a couple of douzen universe...And that leads to a bunch of shenanigansBut then I realized that Disgaea kinda did that
So whats between all the universes?
the blind eternities
Monsters
Densely packed YHVHs
They wouldn't be arranged in a three dimensional space like that, and then it all depends what model of multiple universe you're talking about.
Many worlds quantum tomfoolery would just be probabilities existing in a superimposed cloud.
Personally I've always liked cosmic darwinism. An idea that any universe that creates singularities creates basement or daughter universes from those singularities. Its an answer to the fine tuning problem because universes where the laws of physics and values of constants lead to more singularities produce more daughter universes, which can still jigger those values to create universes that give birth to more universes.
There would be no way to go from one to the other, since they're disconnected by definition, but would still be "related."
String theory would have them just off set from us in a higher dimension, and those are contained in giant membranes that bump into other membranes and the points of intersection are where new universes are formed.
The best answer is: pic related.
monads
Multiverse shit is overdone contrived and gay as frick
Because the mere existence of a multiverse means nothing matters.
Because
>infinite multiverse
Nothing matters, zero stakes
>limited multiverse
Functionally the same as having a single universe, just stupider