why don't people want to have fun anymore?

>You're quoting him out of context
What he said is pretty fricking cut and dry and incredibly difficult to take out of context, and I certainly haven't.

>>>>The failure of modern skill-based matchmaking, imho, is that it's designed to maximize these perfect match scenarios and minimize the others

He is literally saying the failure of SBMM is it creates frustrating (toxic) games by chasing the perpetual ideal of hyper competitive games. Please learn English.

Anon, what do you think creates toxicity in an matchmaking setting? Oh yeah, it's when people are competitive and frustrated, which causes them to lash out at other people. But hey, you'd know this if you weren't a skinwalker.

>The failure of modern skill-based matchmaking
>is that it's designed to maximize these perfect match scenarios and minimize the others
>When it's working, a majority of games become super tight, super stressful. That's not fun for most players.

SBMM is a failure
It's designed to chase "perfect" matches, as in what it believes to be even
These games are super stressful and not fun
Learn English

>SBMM is a failure
The tweets your citing do not support your claim.

nah homie you can't read

It's ironic to whine and complain about skill based matchmaking while using Halo 2, a game that helped pioneer skill based matchmaking as evidence against skill based matchmaking.

It's almost as if you are profoundly moronic

But it's not you moron. "My old SBMM is better than modern SBMM" != SBMM is bad and inherently toxic. Truskill is still SBMM, holy shit you are beyond stupid.

you don't belong in your tier simple as

in most games you have to grind your way up to a tier though

nah homie you can't read

Stop samegayging, ESL.

>>My SBMM
Exactly, you dumb homosexual. It's still fricking SBMM at the end of the day and doesn't address OPs complaints

halo combat evolved pc had a server list.

you just said halo, and its not custom its the first game.

Read the fricking linked tweets. Max Hoberman's system did not match on just skill alone outside of ranked. Halo Reach even had player-attuned custom SBMM systems for competitive and casual play, as in you the player chose these yourself.

>Neither does modern SBMM
It does, it's all it focuses on. Your post does not corroborate a counter-claim to the very well known fact that SBMM is a system that focuses on skill and balancing around that.

I can be a weaselly homosexual as well.

>Modern SBMM includes factors like ping
No it doesn't.

>abandoned games
Rage quitting because you're losing? Skill issue.

>whether you're a cheater
Can't compete and resort to cheats? Skill issue.

Got any other examples blatantly categorized under skill?

>You're wrong.
No, you're wrong. Prime proof, Mint Blitz in Halo Infinite. Lives in Australia, has a permanent ping of 200+, 343i had to specifically and drastically lower the strictness of SBMM so he could actually get matches because he was that high in the ELO rankings.

Mint Blitz could always play on servers outside Aus, the point being made is ping was never a factor into his ELO.

>Nobody complained about the SBMM in games like Halo and CoD
>During the height of the MLGPro/highlight reel era

Tryhards are eternal and you trying to pretend otherwise is shameless revisionism.

Find me a single forum post from <2015 complaining about SBMM and I'll shit in my hand and clap.

you just said halo, and its not custom its the first game.

Go be moronic elsewhere.

>He said Halo
>Clearly he just meant the first game which didn't even have SBMM and not the fricking franchise as a whole
Here's your last (you)

And even in elden ring, nobody wants to play online because of RNG invasions of homosexualry.

>do you assume i mean skyrim when i say elder scrolls?
i'd assume its either morrowind oblivion or skyrim unless you're 60/a nerd
>obviously they meant halo 2 when they said halo
yeah alright whatever im the one at fault as usual for not being fricking psychic. piss off.

>Nobody complained about the SBMM in games like Halo and CoD
Yes they fricking did you revisionist homosexual. People have been complaining about matchmaking rigging their games since the fricking implementation of it. You're conflating "SBMM bad" with "my SBMM > your SBMM" like a typical motte and bailey weasel.

nah homie you can't read

Did you mean to be the example?

That's a lot of wordslop to say you're bad at video games

No it's just you again.

It's the same shit for me. I don't care.
Bring back community servers. Frick matchmaking and SBMM. Enough with that console shit.
It killed community servers. It killed mods. It killed custom maps. It killed everything, hang all console pigs.

It has the same effect. Killing community servers. So it's the same for me, like comparing piss and shit. Don't care if it's different it's just something I DON'T want therefore I won't bother acknowledging the differences.

>It killed community servers. It killed mods. It killed custom maps. It killed everything
I too played unreal tournament
every fps since has been garbage by comparison (due to custom maps, etc)

I mean, I think its about time someone made the new one with UE5, no?

I didnt even know there was a 4, 3 was pretty bad, they screwed up all the movement stuff (I played "Trials" A LOT, I feel like we invented the "mirrors edge" genre before it existed.)

Skill based matchmaking exists to make games fair and increase engagement. If it didn't, people would play for less and be less likely to buy cosmetics.

That's not how it works. With EOMM people who buy microtransactions are more likely to match with other whales who can show off their skins and other mtx bullshit, encouraging them to buy more mtx bullshit in order to peawiener with the rest of the whales. If you don't buy Mtx bullshit this matchmaking doesn't affect you.

I'm going off of Activision and EA's own patents. Maybe that's how it works in mobile shit or riot's games, but most mainstream online competitive games don't feed wins to whales. They are heavily incentivized to give every player.a better experience because it means they're more likely to keep playing and even spend money. If the experience sucks players leave, which means less whales too.

>patents and white papers mean nothing
But your own anecdotes and conjecture do? Where's your evidence?

>you're the one conjecturing lol
>proceeds to post nothing but conjecture

lol

You misspelled conjecture.

You didn't post any code. All you have is baseless supposition and mindless insults.

Playerbases across the board for the biggest MP titles of the past decade are dwindling at a slow but steady pace outliers like Counter Strike 2<<. Dota 2 went from a million, to 800K to now barely 600K. Fortnite has been bleeding players for years which is why it's desperately chasing this metaverse with multiple games. Overwatch is bleeding players especially after the Chink ban on all Blizzard games. In fact, the Steam charts are dominated by co-op focused, sandbox and SP games.

Dota 2 was averaging 1 million players not even two years ago.

Overwatch 2 isn't even averaging 40K on Steam.

>Valorant
Doesn't exist, it's a psy-op. Notice how not a single human being you know has ever mentioned it, doesn't play it, and the only exposure you have about it involves cat boys and e-thots? Exacty.

literally no one said that you replied to a guy saying casuals are coping and started frothing at the mouth, nerve struck

Is that what it is I'm doing?
Thought I was just shitposting a memeboard
Believe me I couldn't care less
Or don't and make up your own fantasy scenario where I'm frothing and seething
Whatever you need to help you through it

Already answered your question, go obsess over someone else, dipshit tryhard.

Already answered your question, go obsess over someone else, dipshit tryhard.

I guess I do.
Why are the other team not allowed to have fun?

>Pre-SBMM you would have a mix of games where you would either stomp, get stomped, or have a competitive game where you really need to focus

This is still the case except the stomp scenarios are less common than the last scenario. People who hate sbmm don't like having to play well in order to win and want free games (but only for them, they don't want to get stomped themselves)

>Lmao dude the fastest way to get good is to play against the best players
This only works when you're good at the game, which you prove by beating people worse than you are. But of course that's overcompetitive and shouldn't be allowed to happen. You should be matched with the best players straight away but also not get stomped somehow.

>When you start a game you should get stomped on by better players

Allegedly this is what sbmm does and is bad because of it. Games should be fair and also coddle new players which sbmm doesn't do because it doesn't.

>SBMM is so that you get matched with players in your skill range. It’s not so that you get matched with the very best when you start out.

Tell that to

We had this in a previous thread, and the simple fact is the average SBMM defender suffers from an extreme case of cognitive dissonance.

If you tell them you want fair and square games, no matter if you win or lose, just facing people actually on your level, instead of the wild stomps that swing back and forth, they resort to one of the following--

>You just don't like being bad, cope
Contradicting what they're defending from the very offset. The described purpose of SBMM is to make sure you're facing people on your level. Meaning it shouldn't matter how good or bad you are, you should be having fair games. But we know that's not the case, otherwise stomps wouldn't frequently be happening at any level. You're in Copper? Three games you stomp, two games you get stomped, one game is shockingly semi-even. Push up to Platinum? Same experience, over and over and over. Your placement within the system is irrelevant.

>You don't actually want to have fair games, you want to stomp
Pure idiocy to state this when what we're already getting stomps/being stomped in droves. Saying "I want fair games" is not code for something we're already getting. I don't ask to get my dick sucked while my dick is being sucked. When people say they want actually fair games, that's what they mean, because they're not fricking getting them. It's not a fair or fun experience to play TDM, and your back to back matches look like 19-50, 50-11, 17-50 and 50-21. Does that scream a fun time for anybody involved? No, it's fricking boring to stomp and it's frustrating to be stomped.

>You don't actually want to have fair games, you want to stomp
Pure idiocy to state this when what we're already getting stomps/being stomped in droves. Saying "I want fair games" is not code for something we're already getting. I don't ask to get my dick sucked while my dick is being sucked. When people say they want actually fair games, that's what they mean, because they're not fricking getting them. It's not a fair or fun experience to play TDM, and your back to back matches look like 19-50, 50-11, 17-50 and 50-21. Does that scream a fun time for anybody involved? No, it's fricking boring to stomp and it's frustrating to be stomped.

>You only ever describe the latter.
>You don't actually want to have fair games, you want to stomp
Cognitive dissonance in droves. I am telling you, to your face, that I get frequent games where I stomp, and it's boring, and you are mentally blocking it out because it buttfricks your narrative.

Anon, the SBMM defender is copy/pasting random comments. He just did it to this one

>That post does not complain only about being able to steamroll too often and not the other way around.
What a ridiculous fricking metric. You can't complain about being steamrolled at all even though that is as equally as much of a failure as steamrolling the enemy team?

>You've spent this entire thread being dishonest and manipulative
One, I'm NTA, and two, you've literally been caught samegayging across two threads. Swallow a bullet.

Not only are they usually considered a "foul" but you make yourself look like a huge dickhead too.

>if you got banned you deserved it lol
just like if you got kicked from the server you deserved it

Cry more.

Normal people agree with me. You leftists fricks are digging your own grave with Colorado and Maine by the way. Hope you know what a columbian necktie is, because you fricks are going to get one.

>The SBMM defender from last thread is a troony-obsessed samegayger who spam-dupes posts
Fricking embarrassing lmao.

Ironic how you leftist fricks are crying when you're the ones who want to censor people and ban them from ever playing online games if they DARE say something unapproved

>That's not what the argument against SB MM was in the last thread.
Yes it was. You covering your eyes and blocking your ears doesn't make the sun magenta and the sky green.

>It wasn't because I said it wasn't
Uh huh, sure if you ignored the dozen posts I gave you, never mind the rest of the thread. I gave you the benefit of the doubt in that thread, but it's blatant you're just a moron. No willing human being goes to this extent for (you)s.

No it wasn't. Every example given for why SBmm ruins games involved losing and getting stomped, not the other way around.

Case in point:

You're completely fricking braindead. SBMM has done nothing but making multiplayer gaming more of a miserable experience than it ever was before.
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You can still play for fun while not enjoying being completely steamrolled. You're probably the type of people to spawncamp as a Demo/Medic combo on 2fort and then be genuinely confused when the enemy team is upset. moron.

>You can still play for fun while not enjoying being completely steamrolled

It's almost never the one who hates sbmm doing the streamrolling.

What sort of posts? Show me these posts where people complaining about summ are only complaining about being able to steamroll too often and not the other way around like we saw in this thread and the last one.

That post does not complain only about being able to steamroll too often and not the other way around. You went out of your way to appeal to moderation when everyone else has complained about SBMM causing them to get stomped first and foremost. You've spent this entire thread being dishonest and manipulative citing things that don't support your arguments and acting as if they do.

>What a ridiculous fricking metric
And yet it's one you tried to post and example of and failed miserably. When the vast majority of examples are of games where you got stomped, it's fair to conclude you hate SBMM because you blame it on your losses.
>One, I'm NTA, and two, you've literally been caught samegayging across two threads. Swallow a bullet.
You're not fooling anyone here. The only one being ridiculous here is you

>Based on what? Who said this
Read the thread. I literally just posted an example back when I said "Case in point:" Try to keep up

>This is pure imaginary strawmanning that you're putting onto two people now, pathetic.
Every accusation from you is a confession.

I'm installing it just for lolz
Why are download speeds so low, wtf

Start spamming illegal shit or you're a fraud to your morals.
>I'm polite
Hilarious supreme gentleman.

>He thought I meant swear words and slurs.

>It's throwing a ball into a hoop, the only advice to give is literally get good.
So you never played basketball, got it.
>And nobody is gonna "offer" to help you, at best you can ask for pointers after the match and maybe they'll give you some.
WOWZA! People actually wanting to help a newbie and offer advice? Huh! Imagine that!
Also
>Ganker loser trying to lecture me about how human interaction works

Is that what it is I'm doing?
Thought I was just shitposting a memeboard
Believe me I couldn't care less
Or don't and make up your own fantasy scenario where I'm frothing and seething
Whatever you need to help you through it

>It curbs down on scrub stomping
I'm a scrub and I experience getting stomped daily.

SBMM is just a term for matchmaking frickery. it doesn't actually mean fair and balanced matchmaking based off a seed. it usually means forced wins and forced losses

Assblasted lol