I don't understand how GF's worldbuilding is so bad that we must rely on headcanons just to attempt to make any sense of it. How has this still been unresolved to this day? All it takes is a simple throwaway line from a random book in a game.
Why has GF yet to reconcile this?
>mew
>canonically proven to be the ancestor of every pokemon
>llama stuck in a fence
>um….he birthed a dialga egg or something
>canonically proven to be the ancestor of every pokemon
This doesn't even make sense. How could this be proven if scientists have zero clue about extra dimensional pokemon? Again, GFs worldbuilding is terrible.
moron
Arceus came first, because Arceus the pokemon is not the thing that created the pokemon world, any instance of Arceus the pokemon is a fragment/aspect of the real deal which exists outside of space and time.
All headcanon. GF seems to be unwilling to answer this question fully. PLA wouldve been the time to do it.
fixed that for you
Arceus is God and Mew is his Adam
Not proven by the lore in the slightest.
Irrelevant, a poketuber said so so it must be true.
Trick question, GameFreak came first because Pokemon is a franchise that relies on a light degree of meta narrative regarding the nature of the protagonists and the existence of GO, which directly connects the world of Pokemon to the real world.
Thats such an easy answer to respond and you fricks keep questioning this.
Arceus existed as a concept, it created the world, and the concepts of the universe. Then came Mew as the first pokemon. Arceus then embodied a vessel which is the Alpaca he created for himself. that is but a small fragment of the concept's power embodied as a pokemon. The same is true for Palkia, Dialga and Giratina. Fricking Pokemon Platinum spells it out to you and Legends Arceus almost slaps you in the face with this by showing ARCEUS DIMENSION AT THE START OF THE GAME.
It is actually insane how stupid you are OP, have a nice day.
>Thats such an easy answer to respond and you fricks keep questioning this.
>provides schizo headcanon
This is what I was asking...
>schizo headcanon
>backed up by PLA and Platinum
OP have a nice day.
Dont remember when either of those games claimed Mew was the first Pokemon created.
Mew is the ancestor of all pokemon. But did they ever included [legendary] pokemon in that lineage? And, should eldritch gods that can create or destroy the world be considered as pokemon?
This is the kind of questions you should be asking. Please grow a brain cell or two. Fricking pokemon "fans" these days are so stupid holyshit nigge
Holy morono estupido headcanon!
>But did they ever included [legendary] pokemon in that lineage?
No, but at the time they did this, the only legendaries were Lugia, Ho-Oh and the og birds with the rest being created by someone else.
>should eldritch gods that can create or destroy the world be considered as pokemon?
Yes, that's the point with Masuda's tweet in the first reply and pokemon is a jrpg.
>Masuda said
Okay stop
The fact that you're more willing to believe poketubers than the actual people involved is the first issue that should be addressed here over GF's worldbuilding.
It's a very known fact that GF is absolutely terrible at worldbuilding. We can see the signs starting from Gen 3 already. Which interestingly, the Generation when Masuda took over. Coincidence?
>It's a very known fact that GF is absolutely terrible at worldbuilding
99% of the criticism is from people who can't read and/or care more about poketubers like you.
>Which interestingly, the Generation when Masuda took over. Coincidence?
That doesn't mean Masuda didn't work at gf anon. You can only claim GF is bad at worldbuilding if you first accept GF are the ones who built the world.
>bla bla bla poketubers
Why are you pretending that everything you don't agree with comes from poketubers? Meds
Mew, gen 1 came before gen 4
I really hope we get a Legends Mew game that expands more on its lore.
It's one of the most interesting Pokemon yet its story and origin is incredibly vague.
Do you think they love each other?
Arceus is a seed and Mew is its seed.
First there was the datavoid of pokemon red/green. The world in disorganized stages barely distinct from others worlds.
The Rhydon, the first Pokemon, was coded into the world and thus became part of it. And when eventually the world could hold no more but one addtional pkmn, Mew was created as the last of them
Later this world became the fragile reality of the Gen1+2 games
Cringe
Based
Let us all agree that "Professor" Samuel Oak is a fraud and a hack, shall we? His pokedex entries were written when he was drunk after drinking a barrel of Moomoo Milk
>what came first God or Adam and Eve?
>I don't understand how GF's worldbuilding is so bad that we must rely on headcanons just to attempt to make any sense of it
No, headcanons only lead to misinformation because the fanbase can't properly distinguish between them and the actual info.
If there's an issue with the worldbuilding then accept that there's an issue and move on.
>How has this still been unresolved to this day?
Because they don't give a shit? I mean you ask this already having an negative opinion on the worldbuilding.
>All it takes is a simple throwaway line from a random book in a game.
Even if such a line existed and perfectly explained everything, you and most people would ignore it.
Arceus created the universe
Mew is the ancestor of all life forms on earth
There's no contradiction
This.
Arceus=God
Mew=Adam
More like Adam Kadmon.
AWNBAG
Source?
the games
Provide me specifics.
mew is said to be the original of all pokémon life, but that was said back in gen 1 when we didn't know any gods. Arceus is stated to have shapes the universe and created Time and Space. Therefore, it is extremely reasonable and expected of non-autists to assume Arceus came first and Mew is a sort of Adam figure: the first biological, non-godly pokémon.
Okay but this doesn't help the issue: it's all headcanon. GF should just confirm what is actually true but they don't care because their worldbuilding is terrible.
>It's all headcanon!
No it's basic logic and common sense.
Was it said in any official canon? No? Then it's headcanon you fricking goon.
Except Mew was said to be the ancestor of ALL Pokemon. That is absolutely mutually exclusive with an Original One.
>my headcanon is correct
Meds
>headcanon
Mew's Pokedex Entry in Sword:
>It's very intelligent and can use an incredible variety of moves. Many believe that all other Pokémon are descendants of this one.
Arceus Podex Entry in Pearl:
>It is told in mythology that this Pokémon was born before the universe even existed.
These are ANTITHETICAL. Completely contradictory to each other, mutually exclusive. Keep taking the blue pill.
>many believe
Literally means "headcanon".
Both entries use vague language like that, moron.
You see the problem now? homosexual.
So basically what you're trying to convey here is that mew somehow existed BEFORE the universe was created? Let that process through your head for a moment.
>dex entry: "many believe" = [unproven fact]
>therefore, arceus comes first
/thread
>it's all headcanon
no it isn't. Mew is stated to be the originator of pokemon life in it's Pokedex entries. Arceus is stated to be the shaper of the universe in its Pokedex entries. These aren't mutually exclusive things. GF doesn't "confirm" anything because there's nothing to confirm.
Your claim that this is some objective fact is false. Try again.
Then it shouldn't take them any effort to confirm it.
Literally the only possible explanation to this. Why is this even a debate again? How can mew even exist when there isn't even a universe to live in the first place?
Next thing you know people are gonna start questioning if plastic or humans came first.
Started as darwinism, becomes creationism. Also, Mew is so fricking cute and simple and legendaries should be sparse and fewer.
; Mew's pics and base data are not grouped with the other Pokémon
; because it was a last-minute addition "as a kind of prank".
; Shigeki Morimoto explained in an Iwata Asks interview:
; "We put Mew in right at the very end. The cartridge was really full and
; there wasn't room for much more on there. Then the debug features which
; weren't going to be included in the final version of the game were removed,
; creating a miniscule 300 bytes of free space. So we thought that we could
; slot Mew in there. What we did would be unthinkable nowadays!"
; http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/ds/pokemon/0/0
https://github.com/pret/pokered/blob/master/data/pokemon/mew.asm
Arceus will never be a god
Mew will never be the first pokemon
Game programming=pokemon world logic 🙂
>Arceus will never be a god
it literally shaped the universe
>Mew will never be the first pokemon
it literally is the LUCA of pokemon
> it literally shaped the universe
GF made the versions of the pokemon universes
> it literally is the LUCA of pokemon
Rhydon has index number 1
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_by_index_number_(Generation_I)
I rather look at the observable data / actual evidence and for all I can see pokemon is mostly software
absolute autism
it doesnt need an answer. it's not relevant to the plot of any game
same way it works in real life, god guides evolution
It's simple, who came first god or Adam and Eve?
>Why has GF yet to reconcile this?
Because it's a pretty straightforward answer, you fricking moron.
Didn't PLA already made it clear that Arceus is NOT a Pokemon?
award for the world's most moronic /vp/ question goes to....
Arceus, then mew.
There. Next question.