It's only really relevant in the states. The fact that it did so well with 360 is impressive. The sad reality is its gotten shittier every generation. OG Xbox was unironically better than ps2.
>unironically better than ps2
only if you dick ride sega and really niche games or just want party games without it being mario
otherwise og xbox had worse game selection and shitty ports when it came to jap shit
FPBP
Unless they start marketing heavily in Europe, which is already entrenched pretty deep into Sony, they'll never win any gen. I can say though that in my opinion they won Gen 7. Yeah the PS3 edged them out in the end but back in those days all you heard about on the internet was 360.
t.Euro
Microsoft mostly ignored mainland Europe with the OG Xbox, they failed spectacularly to break into Japan despite shitloads of marketing, had surprise success in Latin America(this is why so many Halo and Gears fans are spics) and were able to successfully establish a foothold in the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Hell the reason Microsoft brought Halo MCC to PC was because of their failed attempt testing the waters with the Russian market.
They tried very hard during the 360 era. Got a bunch of JRPGs on it, specificlaly brought on the studio founded by the guy who created Final Fantasy to make games for the 360, advertised in Japan specifically to tout the "try the Americna console!" stuff, with pictures of Bill Gates holding both a hamburger and a 360 controller.
They tried very hard during the 360 era. Got a bunch of JRPGs on it, specificlaly brought on the studio founded by the guy who created Final Fantasy to make games for the 360, advertised in Japan specifically to tout the "try the Americna console!" stuff, with pictures of Bill Gates holding both a hamburger and a 360 controller.
Japan didn't give a shit.
They tried REALLY fricking hard to do it.
>Blue Dragon
was their big RPG push. They got SOME traction with Vesperia, but not much. They also got star ocean as an exclusive. They got FF13 to go cross platform . They had the Idolmaster for a few years. None of it really stuck.
Also the Kinect was completely unusuable in tiny japanese houses.
Sony was hellbent on fixing PS3. PlayStation makes loads for Sony, so they have to give a shit.
Microsoft would survive if they dropped xbox completely. I can't say the same for Sony.
It's still quite possible to sell shit to Japan. French designers and artists do it. Disney does it. American cartoons do it. Hollywood does it. Even fricking Snoop dog does it.
True. Where I'm at (a shithole called asia), gaming has become so synonymous with playstation that we call any form of gaming as playing the ps. Play on the phone? Play on the computer? Play on the nintendo switch? It's all playing the ps. Xbox has no chance here
You delusional c**t.
The wii is literally there, it was the clear winner of that gen.
360 had a strong start, but paying for online ultimately gave ps3 a chance to catch up.
Wii is the winner in terms consoles of sold but I don't think that overcomes the crappy attach rate where even core gamers probably only bother with smash and a few other nintendo games.
>Wii is the winner in terms consoles of sold
Stopped reading there.
Which is the only metric that matters, everything else is personal opinion, and you do not matter.
I accept your concession.
Consumers in this industry don't care about quality, just how afflicted they are with stockholm syndrome. Everyone sentient knows the og xbox and the 360 were the two best consoles ever made.
>Pay to play online >The best
Anon, you may be too young to remember but paying to go online was a massively divisive issue and many people didn't go Xbox because they didn't want to pay a subscription.
It really took me a while to realize that was the letter S. I always have trouble with extremely stylized letters, or symbols used in place of words. Is that really such a blatant sign of autism?
The 360 definitely won culturally, Halo and xbox live would not be household names otherwise, I can't even recall any PS3 exclusives besides little big planet,
ohh so you're just a seething Sonygro? Like I said I'm on PC and never owned an xbox, it's simply fact that people remember the Xbox experience even if it sold less over it's lifetime.
while it's true that Soulsborne is definitely bigger than Halo and that it fell off. Demon's Souls was not the cultural icon that halo was, it was everywhere back in 2007+, and nothing came close besides MW2
>The 360 definitely won culturally,
This is a homosexualy xboner cope. 360 only sold so well due to it being out 1 year earlier and about 100 shekels cheaper than the PS3, gaining a lot of steam from that. PS3 took over and beat it out even still, and you becoming ridden with dementia and forgetting the entire PS3 era of games doesnt mean it didnt happen, speaking of household names, remember games like uncharted and last of us launched on PS3, Black person.
360 in terms of sales was 3rd place, and those numbers were highly inflated by RRoD.
Don't try and pull some excuse, the 360 was a terrible console and came.in last place because of it.
>and those numbers were highly inflated by RRoD.
Exactly, I myself owned one (1) silver named PS3 and it lives to this day just fine over a decade later. We owned four (4) shitboxes as they all RRoDd and this was JUST in the 7 year timeline of xboxes. Dont know why my brother kept getting more
As far as I know, everyone bought at least 2-3 of these things, massively inflating numbers.
lol I was 10 back in 08 and the Xbox was considered the cool console to have while the Wii was baby stuff and the PS3 was not even thought of besides one kid who's 40 something parents bought it as a blue ray player.
It wasn't until The Last of Us came out that normies started taking the PS3 seriously in day to day talk.
And yet that's why it won culturally and you can;t fight against that.
Everywhere from me and my friends to my older cousins college dorm, to the console showed in TV shows when they bothered to try and get it right was the 360.
Sure Playstation actually won I won't fight that but the 360 was the people choice for most of its life.
PS2 and Wii were runaway successes that would be impossible to overtake. They shot themselves in the foot repeatedly with the xbox one which tanked their reputation and poisoned the series x/s. And theres not enough console selling games to boot.
>they won the XBox360/PS3 era.
Wii won. PS3 surpassed them right before the generation ended and took 2nd place. Xbox's best position (sales wise, at least) was in the 6th generation with OG Xbox at 2nd.
360 was the "platonic ideal of the Gen 7 console" but tripped over its dick at the finish line due to going full in on Knenct and then failed to have a consistent flow of system seller exclusives games for the entirety of gen 8 and is now just barely trying to course correct.
For a brief period the 360 was the console to own. It had superior exclusives and often better multiplats like Bayonetta, GTAIV, and Dark Souls.
The downfall was the fact that it just didn't sell in Japan despite having strong exclusives. Once devs figured out the PS3, all the good shit got ported and abandoned the 360. From there Xbox went back to what it was always known for: The Halo Box.
They had their chance with the Xbox 360, they blew it.
It's hard to say who fricked up more: Sony, that was somehow able to destroy their brand after an entire decade of complete domination of the console market.
Or Microsoft, that was miraculously able to BTFO Sony with a faster, cheaper, earlier console with more and better games... until in 2009 they said "you know what, we should stop supporting this thing from now on!"
Much of the success of the PS4 was thanks to how Sony supported the PS3 from 2009 to 2013.
It was a combination of Sony trying really hard, and Microsoft stopping giving a shit completely for whatever reason.
Even here in Italy – Sacred Land of the Snoys since the first PlayStation – everyone I knew owned a 360 and not a PS3. It wasn't until 2010 or so that people started switching sides. The PS3 was THAT shit at launch.
I was still a kid when the wii came out and I found it very disappointing. I found most of the first party games to be less fun than their Gamecube predecessors. It eventually just turned into a Brawl and Smooth Moves machine for when friends were over.
It's pretty strange how some people still insist that 360 was better than PS3. Even without factoring in the Ford Pinto levels of failure, idorts since before 2010 were pointing out that the difference between some PS3/360 versions was negligible compared to the PC versions. Most 360 collections I see are full of "why didn't you just get that on PC?" games
because they keep bringing hype, but they stopped bringing games around 5 years ago
the only people who would buy an xbox when PCs exist are idorts who want to physically collect every console exclusive >let's release EVERY game on pc day 1! we own windows after all
LOL
halo infinite on steam day 1 did more damage to the xbox brand than the ps4 ever did
the "PCs aren't REALLY competing with consoles" is a huge cope, and jim ryan is falling for it too
Xbox 360 sank towards the end of that gen with Kinect and then even more so when the Xbox One was unveiled. There is no way it sold any significant number of units during that timeframe, the 360 was also discontinued/ taken out of production much sooner than the PS3.
they stopped counting because they stopped selling them
microsoft has been ashamed of its consoles sales data and has kept it private ever since, bundling it with its pc earnings to make the whole thing look better
360 absolutely smashed it in both markets that matter - usa and europe
Snoy had to start producing the ultracheap ps3s for huehues and other subhumans to be even able to reach 360s numbers - that doesn't affect the outcome at all.
MS fricked up badly with rrod, but they've recovered gracefully. Unlike snoy with ylod.
Every single multiplat game ran better on 360, ps3 struggled to have any memorable titles of its own
conclusions:
-360 beat ps3 in seventh generation in all valuable markets but japan
-snoys have been seething due to this until this very day,
-OP, once again, has been proven to be a massive homosexual
-same goes with other snoy children itt
the PS3 still needed FOUR extra years with a big price cut to slightly beat out the 360
And yet that's why it won culturally and you can;t fight against that.
Everywhere from me and my friends to my older cousins college dorm, to the console showed in TV shows when they bothered to try and get it right was the 360.
Sure Playstation actually won I won't fight that but the 360 was the people choice for most of its life.
The average 360 user had to buy four 360s because they kept getting the red ring.
The install base of the xbox was far tinier than it appears.
Nobody liked the xbox, that's exactly why the Xbone went right back down to the same market penetration as the original xbox.
The 360 was a manipulative fluke of product failures and a small sycophantic base causing a financial success.
>The average 360 user had to buy four 360s because they kept getting the red ring
this was only an issue in the first year, the 360 elite didn't have these issues
>the 360 elite didn't have these issues
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Also it took almost 2 years for MS to acknowledge a problem and people were often out of the extended warranty period by the time their consoles got around to malfunctioning.
>The average 360 user had to buy four 360s because they kept getting the red ring.
My homie actually owned 4 copies of Halo 3 (well 3 depending on how you see ODST). I feel like the disc shredding is not as talked about as RROD
I only had a 360 slim and never ran into this issue, I guess it was fixed by then. My fondest memory with that console was feeling relaxed playing the first Forza Horizon. Comfiest racing game ever.
anon, why is your friend a hardware-juggling moron? You're not supposed to shake the running equipment, wtf
You know who else is moronic? Microshitters, for buying a console that destroys discs on its own. Not even the original Xbox had this issue. That's how incompetent M$ were.
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
No one's 360 was destroying discs 'on its own'.
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You can move any other console with a disc inside with no problem whatsoever. >self destroying discs >no wifi >rrod >20gb hard drive
This console was close to winning the console wars of the 7th gen. Americans are mentally insane.
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Anonymous
>You can move any other console with a disc inside with no problem whatsoever.
as already established - it's only an issue for morons >no wifi
means no mcdonald's wifi stealing poorgays in multiplayer, what's your point? >rrod
gracefully dealt with >20gb hard drive
another non-issue
unlike piss3, 360 didn't need hdd to run games
hdd was just a solution to store saves and arcade games, which had hard limit of 50mb at that time >This console was close to winning the console wars of the 7th gen
it won the 7th among adults and good vidya connoisseurs - nobody remembers your favourite "halo killers", Diego.
ms stole sonys gf and publicly fricked her in front of them
Over the course of that one generation sony lost so many of their previously exclusive games that it shifted them towards shitty movie games, something every single snoy is still seething about every day of their miserable lives
Not even the xbone failure could make that for you
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Meds
11 months ago
Anonymous
>as already established - it's only an issue for morons
so is keeping explosives under your bed, yet you wouldnt want that huh >360 didn't need hdd to run games
yeah, except for like 90% of them that came with two discs >it won the 7th among adults and good vidya
the only games which xgays played on their shitty toys were madden, gaylo 4: anus explosion and countless cowadoodies, nothing that an adult would actually play
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Anonymous
i remember the fear that having the 360 standing up could frick up the discs, no idea if it had any validity
>The average 360 user had to buy four 360s because they kept getting the red ring.
absolutely and demonstrably false
No one was buying the new 360s, MS was exchanging them in mere days. Like other anon said, later models didn't rrod
Stop making shit up >The install base of the xbox was far tinier than it appears. >Nobody liked the xbox, that's exactly why the Xbone went right back down to the same market penetration as the original xbox.
see kids, this is what being hooked up to military grade snoy copium does to you. This anon lives in his own make-believe world, unable to grasp the actual reality >The 360 was a manipulative fluke of product failures and a small sycophantic base causing a financial success. >seething nonstop since 2005, amazing
Because it was part of a brutal campaign of extermination with an end goal of attaining a stranglehold on the market. The 360 itself was cheap, overmarketed junk and used that market pressure to proliferate bad design practices that gimped every other competitor while also twisting many genres into misshapen abominations.
Even if Xbox is now considered one of the staple competitors in the console business, you may as well ask why no one fondly remembers internment camps even though America won WW2.
Microsoft strategy is split into 3 parts: embrace, extend, extinguish, and these are split up between the original Xbox and the 360. It is only logical for your subconscious to recognize it as distasteful and abhorrent.
I remember as a kid I didn't know a single other kid with a PS2. Everybody I knew either had an Xbox or a Gamecube. I had a couple friends with PS1s though. The only people I met who had PS2s were people I met after the PS3 came out and even then, not very many of them. I remember learning that the PS2 was the most popular console that gen seemed ridiculous. Maybe there was just some strange anomaly in my neighborhood.
360 was unironically better than the PS3 and the wii
To disagree with that you must either be a zoomer who didn't have the money to get xbox live or a snoy who was enjoying his wii controller up his ass
It was a console with significant technical issues that made up a significant portion of its supposedly lower price with a subscription plan. It ruined porting for the duration of its life cycle by introducing bullshit like GFWL and Xinput. It popularized moving away from dedicated servers maintained by the playerbase and towards shit like P2P matchmaking. It pretty much started the moviegame bandwagon by popularizing game genres on a console that could not effectively play them without holding the player's hand at all times or significantly cutting them down, which ended up necessitating an approach of smoke and mirrors to make the player think they're actually in control etc etc.
It was one big attempted sweep to corner the market and it failed catastrophically when the Xbone imploded but still did almost irreparable damage by fricking everything up and leaving the false impression that they did a good job up until that point because of all the marketing and normalgays.
Let me tell you why Xbox 360 was so superior
Free games. All of them. Days if not weeks before release. I remember playing Halo Reach a fricking month before it was out.
> B-but wii could also do that
No one cared about your 5 good wii games
It doesn't sell well in Japan. Xbox will never be best selling console because it simply doesn't exist in one of the most "important" markets. X360 was the console to have during most of the 7th generation, not the PS3 or the Wii (lol).
Having the highest sales is moot anyway. A PlayStation is very unlikely to ever reach PS2-level sales again because PlayStation and Xbox, unlike Nintendo's toys, compete directly against each other and cannibalize each other's marketshare.
The PS360wii gen was so weird as the Wii may have technically had the most sales but its hard to say it won. Like that gen flip flopped. At the start the Wii was winning, then the 360 was winning but by the end the PS3 was winning.
Xbox was ahead of its time, and not in a good way. Consoles did things in a particular way that is weird and alien to a PC developer, but that weirdness is why they held up against PCs costing many times more. The xbox on the other hand was not only a PC, but a hugely GIMPED pc. Not enough RAM, the bad kind of unified memory, lacklustre CPU despite the high clock speed, PC GPU and most importantly: DirectX. Which sucked really really hard back then. Words can't describe how awful DirectX programming was. You *had* to do it because under windows OpenGL performance was awful, but nobody enjoyed DX. Especially the non-graphics stuff.
But sadly, the Xbox was the future. Shitty architecture, online, subscriptions, DLC, it was all coming and nothing could stop it, the Xbox was just there too early while people could still hate it and choose to buy something else.
The 360 was never good. Take the shambles of DirectX10, mix in a CPU design from ten years ago running at high clock speeds (see the pattern) and a GPU that sounds like it was designed by the shareholders and put it all in a box poorly designed by people with no industrial design experience and you have the 360. Just because the PS3 was worse doesn't somehow make the 360 good. It was the worst gen ever. That Microsoft would manage to fail so hard thanks to their business practices is just even more hilarious.
And they haven't had anything but failure since then because Microsoft have never EVER understood what makes a console good, they just had 1 gen where they lucked into it and failed regardless.
the 360 basically won that generation despite trying to install motion tracker cameras connected to the internet in everyone's homes. Didn't the other xboxes have cameras built in?
Only entered the race in 6, 360 did well in gen 7, but Wii beat everything. When wiiu shit the bed again by being confusing to all the grandmas who bought wiis the Bloodborne machine took over. Switch is probably taking gen 10.
I had a 360 but never bought another one of their systems again. I have no idea what the current xbox is even called. Why are they so fricking moronic? Just trying to get that fricking moronic iphone plus tier market?
Tying it back into that identity probably wouldn't have done anything productive.
It needed to be something that could be distinctly talked about and the Wii 2 idea would have fallen into the same memory hole that the Wii U did.
It wasn't really an entirely new product. It was always going to be called a wii. But wii u sounds like some dumb R.O.B. type addon. Meanwhile everyone understands that 2 means it's a straight up upgrade. The other problem is probably that most people bought wiis and only ever played wii sports the first week they bought it, so I see your point.
2 doesn't quite fall into the "straight upgrade" category of perception. To start off, since the Wii pretty much firmly established the name pun (Wii = We), most people would think that it is just another gimmick add-on called the Wii Too if anyone mentioned it.
Secondly it's just a matter of number perception, people don't really assign value in linear progression of numbers, nobody thought the Xbox 360 was going to be the Xbox 361, it was all about using multiples of that number for their bullshots (even if it did end up being the Xbone and completely fricked it up). Even the latest Nvidia GPUs stopped properly incrementing when they breached the 1000 series.
Even if people did recognize that the Wii 2 was a successor, they wouldn't buy it because your stupid brain that can be fooled by the 1 cent difference in a 59.99 price tag would not rate it as worth it.
>Generation 8 >PS4
Switch is Gen 8, and Switch is currently something like 40% over what PS4 ever sold. Gen 9 doesn't have a Nintendo console yet. People like to forget that, for some reason.
Xbox never had good games, which Sony had plenty of when they entered the industry with the Playstation 1, and then the Xbox brand got destroyed when the Xbox One's key selling feature was.... always active spyware via Kinect. What the frick were they thinking?
It's only really relevant in the states. The fact that it did so well with 360 is impressive. The sad reality is its gotten shittier every generation. OG Xbox was unironically better than ps2.
>unironically better than ps2
only if you dick ride sega and really niche games or just want party games without it being mario
otherwise og xbox had worse game selection and shitty ports when it came to jap shit
FPBP
Unless they start marketing heavily in Europe, which is already entrenched pretty deep into Sony, they'll never win any gen. I can say though that in my opinion they won Gen 7. Yeah the PS3 edged them out in the end but back in those days all you heard about on the internet was 360.
t.Euro
It did better in the UK than the PS3
>The sad reality is its gotten shittier every generation.
So literally everything but nintendo?
Microsoft mostly ignored mainland Europe with the OG Xbox, they failed spectacularly to break into Japan despite shitloads of marketing, had surprise success in Latin America(this is why so many Halo and Gears fans are spics) and were able to successfully establish a foothold in the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Hell the reason Microsoft brought Halo MCC to PC was because of their failed attempt testing the waters with the Russian market.
How did Microsoft not push hard into Japan when PS3 flopped early on? That was their chance
They tried very hard during the 360 era. Got a bunch of JRPGs on it, specificlaly brought on the studio founded by the guy who created Final Fantasy to make games for the 360, advertised in Japan specifically to tout the "try the Americna console!" stuff, with pictures of Bill Gates holding both a hamburger and a 360 controller.
Japan didn't give a shit.
>Japan didn't give a shit.
Nobody wants a NoBox Series No full of shitty western games.
Anon has it.
They tried REALLY fricking hard to do it.
>Blue Dragon
was their big RPG push. They got SOME traction with Vesperia, but not much. They also got star ocean as an exclusive. They got FF13 to go cross platform . They had the Idolmaster for a few years. None of it really stuck.
Also the Kinect was completely unusuable in tiny japanese houses.
Microsoft would survive if they dropped xbox completely. I can't say the same for Sony.
>Japan despite shitloads of marketing
asian people are very nationalistic
americans arent when it comes to buying products.
It's still quite possible to sell shit to Japan. French designers and artists do it. Disney does it. American cartoons do it. Hollywood does it. Even fricking Snoop dog does it.
helps when the gaijin aren't peddling shit
True. Where I'm at (a shithole called asia), gaming has become so synonymous with playstation that we call any form of gaming as playing the ps. Play on the phone? Play on the computer? Play on the nintendo switch? It's all playing the ps. Xbox has no chance here
wii was the last console with sovl
Xbox handily won the 360 gen. I knew one kid that had a ps3 and he was weird.
You delusional c**t.
The wii is literally there, it was the clear winner of that gen.
360 had a strong start, but paying for online ultimately gave ps3 a chance to catch up.
Wii is the winner in terms consoles of sold but I don't think that overcomes the crappy attach rate where even core gamers probably only bother with smash and a few other nintendo games.
>Wii is the winner in terms consoles of sold
Stopped reading there.
Which is the only metric that matters, everything else is personal opinion, and you do not matter.
I accept your concession.
I knew a guy who had an Xbox 360 and he was a Black person.
Consumers in this industry don't care about quality, just how afflicted they are with stockholm syndrome. Everyone sentient knows the og xbox and the 360 were the two best consoles ever made.
>Pay to play online
>The best
Anon, you may be too young to remember but paying to go online was a massively divisive issue and many people didn't go Xbox because they didn't want to pay a subscription.
The 360 would have won but Wii Sports was just that good for casual family games.
PS3 slightly outsold 360.
only way after the 360 stopped even counting sales
They came close during the 360 gen but the RRoD, Kinect bullshit, and paywalling access to Netflix hurt their momentum.
>THE BE/T /ELLING VIDEO GAME CON/OLE OF EVERY GENERATION
???????????????????????
based autismo
It really took me a while to realize that was the letter S. I always have trouble with extremely stylized letters, or symbols used in place of words. Is that really such a blatant sign of autism?
Best post in the thread
White b***hes n shit duh Black person fricker
Isn't Switch Gen 8?
WiiU was.
I consider it 9th gen since it succeeded the 8th gen Nintendo console, Wii U.
8.5, I guess. It came out in 2017, so it's closer to 9th gen (PS5 = 2020) than to 8th gen (PS4 = 2013).
switch beat ps4/ps5
I doubt xbox will even be a brand anymore in a decade. Always on bottom its whole life. If it does exist it likely won't be owned by MS.
360 would have took 2nd place if it didn't abandon gaming once 2009 hit and they started pushing sports, TV, and stopped getting exclusives.
>would have
dont care about dream scenarios you cooked up
Microsoft had the potential to not ruin everything, but somehow MS ruins everything they touch that isn't windows or work programs like Word/Excel.
yeah no shit. none of their stuff has been a success for the past 2 decades but the tired old windows and office for businesses.
I'm in Canada, and I shit you not I have never seen an Xbox in person.
The 360 definitely won culturally, Halo and xbox live would not be household names otherwise, I can't even recall any PS3 exclusives besides little big planet,
PC btw
360 in terms of sales was 3rd place, and those numbers were highly inflated by RRoD.
Don't try and pull some excuse, the 360 was a terrible console and came.in last place because of it.
cope more, everybody remembers the era of uncensored xbox live and Halo, and I didn't even own them
Muh culture isn't a sustainable business model, especially when your system had a fucning 56% RRoD rate for the first few years.
ohh so you're just a seething Sonygro? Like I said I'm on PC and never owned an xbox, it's simply fact that people remember the Xbox experience even if it sold less over it's lifetime.
Don't believe me? Go see for yourself
Lets be honest: most PS3 sales were because it was a cheap bluray player.
Also because it didn't have a 56% failure rate and had wifi/HDMI built in at launch.
Stop coping. Face reality.
In the short term no but in the long term the majority of those PS3 fat models have died or will die with further use.
>electronics wont last forever
wow...
>shitty electronics wont last forever
Fixed, Sony fricked up, but the PS3 slims are alright.
Came in second place when the gen finished.
demons souls was the foundation for the soulsbornering series, which is far bigger than halo at this point.
while it's true that Soulsborne is definitely bigger than Halo and that it fell off. Demon's Souls was not the cultural icon that halo was, it was everywhere back in 2007+, and nothing came close besides MW2
Uncharted, TLOU, demon's souls, infamous, MSG 4, yakuza 3 and 4. It was worth getting a Ps3 for.
>The 360 definitely won culturally,
This is a homosexualy xboner cope. 360 only sold so well due to it being out 1 year earlier and about 100 shekels cheaper than the PS3, gaining a lot of steam from that. PS3 took over and beat it out even still, and you becoming ridden with dementia and forgetting the entire PS3 era of games doesnt mean it didnt happen, speaking of household names, remember games like uncharted and last of us launched on PS3, Black person.
>and those numbers were highly inflated by RRoD.
Exactly, I myself owned one (1) silver named PS3 and it lives to this day just fine over a decade later. We owned four (4) shitboxes as they all RRoDd and this was JUST in the 7 year timeline of xboxes. Dont know why my brother kept getting more
As far as I know, everyone bought at least 2-3 of these things, massively inflating numbers.
lol I was 10 back in 08 and the Xbox was considered the cool console to have while the Wii was baby stuff and the PS3 was not even thought of besides one kid who's 40 something parents bought it as a blue ray player.
It wasn't until The Last of Us came out that normies started taking the PS3 seriously in day to day talk.
>I was a fricking kid and other fricking kids believed this shit
Frick off, moronic zoomer
And yet that's why it won culturally and you can;t fight against that.
Everywhere from me and my friends to my older cousins college dorm, to the console showed in TV shows when they bothered to try and get it right was the 360.
Sure Playstation actually won I won't fight that but the 360 was the people choice for most of its life.
>it won culturally
Again, just in whatever moron zoomer circles you hung out in.
>PS3 exclusives
killzone
uncharted
spyro
crash bandicoot
jak and daxter
thats just the top of my head
and i never had a playstation.
Killzone and Uncharted I'll give you.
Spyro and Crash aren't exclusive.
Jak and Daxter didn't come out on the PS3.
worst selling Playstation console outsold the best selling Xbox. really embarrassing for MS when you think about it
>The 360 definitely won culturally
In the Divided States.
So Nintendo could win it all
PS2 and Wii were runaway successes that would be impossible to overtake. They shot themselves in the foot repeatedly with the xbox one which tanked their reputation and poisoned the series x/s. And theres not enough console selling games to boot.
I'm pretty sure they won the XBox360/PS3 era.
But yeah, other than that, they've lagged in every other one.
Actually, strike that! I forgot Wii was that era. Wii sold more than both.
>I'm pretty sure they won the XBox360/PS3 era.
not even close, wii and ps3 outsold the 360. wii won handily
360 and PS3 were pretty even, I see that now.
>The PS3 has sold 87.4 million units and the Xbox 360 has sold 84 million unit
https://hypebeast.com/2021/8/nintendo-switch-outsells-ps3-and-xbox-360
360 has sold 85.73 million units
https://www.vgchartz.com/article/455788/xbox-series-xs-vs-xbox-360-sales-comparison-november-2022/
>they won the XBox360/PS3 era.
Wii won. PS3 surpassed them right before the generation ended and took 2nd place. Xbox's best position (sales wise, at least) was in the 6th generation with OG Xbox at 2nd.
PC has outsold all of these combined.
Cool meme, Anon! Mind if I screenshot it!
Vegan doesn't mention he's a vegan challenge (impossible)
360 was the "platonic ideal of the Gen 7 console" but tripped over its dick at the finish line due to going full in on Knenct and then failed to have a consistent flow of system seller exclusives games for the entirety of gen 8 and is now just barely trying to course correct.
For a brief period the 360 was the console to own. It had superior exclusives and often better multiplats like Bayonetta, GTAIV, and Dark Souls.
The downfall was the fact that it just didn't sell in Japan despite having strong exclusives. Once devs figured out the PS3, all the good shit got ported and abandoned the 360. From there Xbox went back to what it was always known for: The Halo Box.
They had their chance with the Xbox 360, they blew it.
It's hard to say who fricked up more: Sony, that was somehow able to destroy their brand after an entire decade of complete domination of the console market.
Or Microsoft, that was miraculously able to BTFO Sony with a faster, cheaper, earlier console with more and better games... until in 2009 they said "you know what, we should stop supporting this thing from now on!"
Much of the success of the PS4 was thanks to how Sony supported the PS3 from 2009 to 2013.
Sony was hellbent on fixing PS3. PlayStation makes loads for Sony, so they have to give a shit.
It was a combination of Sony trying really hard, and Microsoft stopping giving a shit completely for whatever reason.
Even here in Italy – Sacred Land of the Snoys since the first PlayStation – everyone I knew owned a 360 and not a PS3. It wasn't until 2010 or so that people started switching sides. The PS3 was THAT shit at launch.
>Wii
That meme console won shit. 99% of its games were shit or boring and the controls were terrible.
You only needed Wii Sports to sell the console.
no one bought the wii for wii sports
What did households buy the Wii for?
Blame the normies. They also ate up Kinect slop.
Sorry gramps but as a kid this shit rocked.
I was still a kid when the wii came out and I found it very disappointing. I found most of the first party games to be less fun than their Gamecube predecessors. It eventually just turned into a Brawl and Smooth Moves machine for when friends were over.
It's pretty strange how some people still insist that 360 was better than PS3. Even without factoring in the Ford Pinto levels of failure, idorts since before 2010 were pointing out that the difference between some PS3/360 versions was negligible compared to the PC versions. Most 360 collections I see are full of "why didn't you just get that on PC?" games
Who won Generation 1?
Philips. They made the Magnavox Odyssey.
If Xbox offers FIFA access for free they will win the gen, that's all it takes
because they will do literally anything but make good games
because they keep bringing hype, but they stopped bringing games around 5 years ago
the only people who would buy an xbox when PCs exist are idorts who want to physically collect every console exclusive
>let's release EVERY game on pc day 1! we own windows after all
LOL
halo infinite on steam day 1 did more damage to the xbox brand than the ps4 ever did
the "PCs aren't REALLY competing with consoles" is a huge cope, and jim ryan is falling for it too
>jim ryan is falling for it too
We need that gay out. Sony is just letting this dude ruin PlayStation
this image was made by an indian
the font choices are particularly awful
>play station
>people still pretending the PS3 beat the 360 while ignoring the excessive price drop and how MS stopped counting 360 sales 4 years before the PS3
Xbox 360 sank towards the end of that gen with Kinect and then even more so when the Xbox One was unveiled. There is no way it sold any significant number of units during that timeframe, the 360 was also discontinued/ taken out of production much sooner than the PS3.
the PS3 still needed FOUR extra years with a big price cut to slightly beat out the 360
they stopped counting because they stopped selling them
microsoft has been ashamed of its consoles sales data and has kept it private ever since, bundling it with its pc earnings to make the whole thing look better
360 absolutely smashed it in both markets that matter - usa and europe
Snoy had to start producing the ultracheap ps3s for huehues and other subhumans to be even able to reach 360s numbers - that doesn't affect the outcome at all.
MS fricked up badly with rrod, but they've recovered gracefully. Unlike snoy with ylod.
Every single multiplat game ran better on 360, ps3 struggled to have any memorable titles of its own
conclusions:
-360 beat ps3 in seventh generation in all valuable markets but japan
-snoys have been seething due to this until this very day,
-OP, once again, has been proven to be a massive homosexual
-same goes with other snoy children itt
>ylod meme
>"every multiplat"
>saying "snoy" four times
How do I know you have a blue checkmark on Twitter?
The average 360 user had to buy four 360s because they kept getting the red ring.
The install base of the xbox was far tinier than it appears.
Nobody liked the xbox, that's exactly why the Xbone went right back down to the same market penetration as the original xbox.
The 360 was a manipulative fluke of product failures and a small sycophantic base causing a financial success.
>The average 360 user had to buy four 360s because they kept getting the red ring
this was only an issue in the first year, the 360 elite didn't have these issues
>the 360 elite didn't have these issues
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Also it took almost 2 years for MS to acknowledge a problem and people were often out of the extended warranty period by the time their consoles got around to malfunctioning.
my elite never had any issues and i haven't heard about any major issues coming up
no need to pretend it's the same as the OG 360
>The average 360 user had to buy four 360s because they kept getting the red ring.
My homie actually owned 4 copies of Halo 3 (well 3 depending on how you see ODST). I feel like the disc shredding is not as talked about as RROD
I only had a 360 slim and never ran into this issue, I guess it was fixed by then. My fondest memory with that console was feeling relaxed playing the first Forza Horizon. Comfiest racing game ever.
your homie is retarted
You know who else is moronic? Microshitters, for buying a console that destroys discs on its own. Not even the original Xbox had this issue. That's how incompetent M$ were.
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
No one's 360 was destroying discs 'on its own'.
You can move any other console with a disc inside with no problem whatsoever.
>self destroying discs
>no wifi
>rrod
>20gb hard drive
This console was close to winning the console wars of the 7th gen. Americans are mentally insane.
>You can move any other console with a disc inside with no problem whatsoever.
as already established - it's only an issue for morons
>no wifi
means no mcdonald's wifi stealing poorgays in multiplayer, what's your point?
>rrod
gracefully dealt with
>20gb hard drive
another non-issue
unlike piss3, 360 didn't need hdd to run games
hdd was just a solution to store saves and arcade games, which had hard limit of 50mb at that time
>This console was close to winning the console wars of the 7th gen
it won the 7th among adults and good vidya connoisseurs - nobody remembers your favourite "halo killers", Diego.
ms stole sonys gf and publicly fricked her in front of them
Over the course of that one generation sony lost so many of their previously exclusive games that it shifted them towards shitty movie games, something every single snoy is still seething about every day of their miserable lives
Not even the xbone failure could make that for you
Meds
>as already established - it's only an issue for morons
so is keeping explosives under your bed, yet you wouldnt want that huh
>360 didn't need hdd to run games
yeah, except for like 90% of them that came with two discs
>it won the 7th among adults and good vidya
the only games which xgays played on their shitty toys were madden, gaylo 4: anus explosion and countless cowadoodies, nothing that an adult would actually play
i remember the fear that having the 360 standing up could frick up the discs, no idea if it had any validity
anon, why is your friend a hardware-juggling moron? You're not supposed to shake the running equipment, wtf
>The average 360 user had to buy four 360s because they kept getting the red ring.
absolutely and demonstrably false
No one was buying the new 360s, MS was exchanging them in mere days. Like other anon said, later models didn't rrod
Stop making shit up
>The install base of the xbox was far tinier than it appears.
>Nobody liked the xbox, that's exactly why the Xbone went right back down to the same market penetration as the original xbox.
see kids, this is what being hooked up to military grade snoy copium does to you. This anon lives in his own make-believe world, unable to grasp the actual reality
>The 360 was a manipulative fluke of product failures and a small sycophantic base causing a financial success.
>seething nonstop since 2005, amazing
Because it was part of a brutal campaign of extermination with an end goal of attaining a stranglehold on the market. The 360 itself was cheap, overmarketed junk and used that market pressure to proliferate bad design practices that gimped every other competitor while also twisting many genres into misshapen abominations.
Even if Xbox is now considered one of the staple competitors in the console business, you may as well ask why no one fondly remembers internment camps even though America won WW2.
Microsoft strategy is split into 3 parts: embrace, extend, extinguish, and these are split up between the original Xbox and the 360. It is only logical for your subconscious to recognize it as distasteful and abhorrent.
I remember as a kid I didn't know a single other kid with a PS2. Everybody I knew either had an Xbox or a Gamecube. I had a couple friends with PS1s though. The only people I met who had PS2s were people I met after the PS3 came out and even then, not very many of them. I remember learning that the PS2 was the most popular console that gen seemed ridiculous. Maybe there was just some strange anomaly in my neighborhood.
this thread makes me feel nostalgic, it's like the good old days
it is like saying why cuckolds are not the current norm or why israelites never invested in fixing world wide hunger
They had the momentum from the 360 to win the 8th but the xbone reveal was so awful that it killed the brand.
tfw I still dont own PS5 or anything from this gen
there are just no system seller anymore
>PS4
Kek. Sony fanboys will literally never recover from the anal reaming of the switch
>PS4
>Switch
What?
The Wiiu was the competition for the PS4 you moronic dumbass.
The wiiu was such a massive failure they discontinued it and released new hardware in the same console generation
Interesting. Apparently the good guys always lose.
Xbox 360 couldn’t compete
Resistance was never relevant.
Killzone mogged it
Xbox consoles are multiplat machines, they never had great exclusives
console wars!!
oh my god bros we WON this generation!
You're just mad that my corporation is better than yours chud
360 was unironically better than the PS3 and the wii
To disagree with that you must either be a zoomer who didn't have the money to get xbox live or a snoy who was enjoying his wii controller up his ass
It was a console with significant technical issues that made up a significant portion of its supposedly lower price with a subscription plan. It ruined porting for the duration of its life cycle by introducing bullshit like GFWL and Xinput. It popularized moving away from dedicated servers maintained by the playerbase and towards shit like P2P matchmaking. It pretty much started the moviegame bandwagon by popularizing game genres on a console that could not effectively play them without holding the player's hand at all times or significantly cutting them down, which ended up necessitating an approach of smoke and mirrors to make the player think they're actually in control etc etc.
It was one big attempted sweep to corner the market and it failed catastrophically when the Xbone imploded but still did almost irreparable damage by fricking everything up and leaving the false impression that they did a good job up until that point because of all the marketing and normalgays.
>[my opinion] (no facts or stats to back up) if you disagree you must be a [derogatory remark]
Let me tell you why Xbox 360 was so superior
Free games. All of them. Days if not weeks before release. I remember playing Halo Reach a fricking month before it was out.
> B-but wii could also do that
No one cared about your 5 good wii games
The PS3 will forever be the winner in my heart for free online
frick the PS4 for making online paid, main reason I switched to PC and not looked back
It doesn't sell well in Japan. Xbox will never be best selling console because it simply doesn't exist in one of the most "important" markets. X360 was the console to have during most of the 7th generation, not the PS3 or the Wii (lol).
Having the highest sales is moot anyway. A PlayStation is very unlikely to ever reach PS2-level sales again because PlayStation and Xbox, unlike Nintendo's toys, compete directly against each other and cannibalize each other's marketshare.
The PS360wii gen was so weird as the Wii may have technically had the most sales but its hard to say it won. Like that gen flip flopped. At the start the Wii was winning, then the 360 was winning but by the end the PS3 was winning.
Xbox was ahead of its time, and not in a good way. Consoles did things in a particular way that is weird and alien to a PC developer, but that weirdness is why they held up against PCs costing many times more. The xbox on the other hand was not only a PC, but a hugely GIMPED pc. Not enough RAM, the bad kind of unified memory, lacklustre CPU despite the high clock speed, PC GPU and most importantly: DirectX. Which sucked really really hard back then. Words can't describe how awful DirectX programming was. You *had* to do it because under windows OpenGL performance was awful, but nobody enjoyed DX. Especially the non-graphics stuff.
But sadly, the Xbox was the future. Shitty architecture, online, subscriptions, DLC, it was all coming and nothing could stop it, the Xbox was just there too early while people could still hate it and choose to buy something else.
The 360 was never good. Take the shambles of DirectX10, mix in a CPU design from ten years ago running at high clock speeds (see the pattern) and a GPU that sounds like it was designed by the shareholders and put it all in a box poorly designed by people with no industrial design experience and you have the 360. Just because the PS3 was worse doesn't somehow make the 360 good. It was the worst gen ever. That Microsoft would manage to fail so hard thanks to their business practices is just even more hilarious.
And they haven't had anything but failure since then because Microsoft have never EVER understood what makes a console good, they just had 1 gen where they lucked into it and failed regardless.
>Xbox was ahead of its time
Stopped reading there
It wasn't
The PS3 won in Europe outside of UK where 360 was bigger.
Switch won with half the time though
the 360 basically won that generation despite trying to install motion tracker cameras connected to the internet in everyone's homes. Didn't the other xboxes have cameras built in?
Only entered the race in 6, 360 did well in gen 7, but Wii beat everything. When wiiu shit the bed again by being confusing to all the grandmas who bought wiis the Bloodborne machine took over. Switch is probably taking gen 10.
If they had just called it the wii 2 it would've done fricking amazing.
Yeah and in another case of other companies scrambling to catch up with Nintendos mistakes, we have the Xbox series s x or whatever
I had a 360 but never bought another one of their systems again. I have no idea what the current xbox is even called. Why are they so fricking moronic? Just trying to get that fricking moronic iphone plus tier market?
Tying it back into that identity probably wouldn't have done anything productive.
It needed to be something that could be distinctly talked about and the Wii 2 idea would have fallen into the same memory hole that the Wii U did.
It wasn't really an entirely new product. It was always going to be called a wii. But wii u sounds like some dumb R.O.B. type addon. Meanwhile everyone understands that 2 means it's a straight up upgrade. The other problem is probably that most people bought wiis and only ever played wii sports the first week they bought it, so I see your point.
2 doesn't quite fall into the "straight upgrade" category of perception. To start off, since the Wii pretty much firmly established the name pun (Wii = We), most people would think that it is just another gimmick add-on called the Wii Too if anyone mentioned it.
Secondly it's just a matter of number perception, people don't really assign value in linear progression of numbers, nobody thought the Xbox 360 was going to be the Xbox 361, it was all about using multiples of that number for their bullshots (even if it did end up being the Xbone and completely fricked it up). Even the latest Nvidia GPUs stopped properly incrementing when they breached the 1000 series.
Even if people did recognize that the Wii 2 was a successor, they wouldn't buy it because your stupid brain that can be fooled by the 1 cent difference in a 59.99 price tag would not rate it as worth it.
>Generation 8
>PS4
Switch is Gen 8, and Switch is currently something like 40% over what PS4 ever sold. Gen 9 doesn't have a Nintendo console yet. People like to forget that, for some reason.
Wii u existed, you can't erase that.
Wii U is Gen 8. Switch is Gen 9 along with the PS5 and Xbox Series.
>caring about consoles instead of good games
Couldn't be me!
Xbox never had good games, which Sony had plenty of when they entered the industry with the Playstation 1, and then the Xbox brand got destroyed when the Xbox One's key selling feature was.... always active spyware via Kinect. What the frick were they thinking?
xbox won 7th gen