yes
if you tried to play a shmup trying to no die you would realize how exhausting they are and you feel like you played for hours even if you only played 30 minuts
You would feel like you're playing for hours because you were playing for hours because you had to restart and do the whole thing over and over again whenever you died...
because people here can't regulate their emotions long enough to actually take on a real challenge and NOT punch a hole in a wall, b***h on Ganker, etc
Because Ganker is full of hypocrite casuals who don't ACTUALLY want deep, challenging games, they just want the other idiots on the mongolian basket-weaving forum to see them SAYING that's what they want so that those people will think "Wow, that guy's hardcore, he sure has good taste and knows a lot about vidya!"
This site has been shit for many years now. It's now solely about farming (You)s and seeing who can be the most contrarian moron.
Oh look it's this homosexual again. Here to claim moral superiority and make people try to post videos of themselves so you can feed your tiny dick energy ego again? Never posting videos of my clears, never recording, don't care, stay anally aggravated.
because they're all shitters who cope by saying muh "fun" and "it's just a video game xDDD" until reality hits them
Nobody here will be able to do anything worthwhile like 800M+ EoSD even if they tried their entire fricking lives. With the sole exception of me, of course.
People who are good at games have memorized the levels, enemy placement, boss patterns, projectile patterns, etc. But that is not my style. I react to every enemy as they appear in the moment, as if they appear for the first time. This is an imaginative roleplaying experience. It is cheating to memorize the level. It is like a movie character who is running on instinct in each scene. So it is a simulation, a test of reaction with no second chances. And my reactions aren't that good apparently. Also the rest of my brain is dedicated to imagining hypothetical scenarios such as worldbuilding, fanfiction, roleplaying campaigns, spinoffs, tie-in media, sequels remakes and other adapatations, as well as how the character feels if this scenario were to be one of those grounded and realistic moments where everything is being experienced firsthand by the character, who is not a character, but a fully conscious being, at least in another world. That's not relevant but, it does cut into my reaction time. Also I can't customize my moves according to my imagination, they're limited to the pre-programmed animations. You watch a cartoon or something and they improvise, they're always changing their movements, not limited to a set of attacks. Imagine the Zelda cartoon in VR. But even then there are programming limitations.
I got a metal slug 1cc a while back. Not nearly as hard as Dodonpachi, but a challenging game nonetheless. I've also gotten a Castlevania 1 deathless run. Being a gamer feels good
The people who liked challenging games stopped browsing Ganker in large numbers years ago. Now you have people how actually shill playing on easy here.
Fans:Haha our genre is too hard for you!
Everyone else: Ok I wont then >nobody plays it
RTS, AFPS, Fighting Games and Shootemups all have this issue. When will you morons learn?
These games are not hard because in the end videogames are not fundamentally hard. All you are doing is scaring people off who would otherwise have fun with you.
>videogames are not fundamentally hard
what does that even mean? Any game where you play against a human opponent is as hard as your opponent makes it, provided the skill ceiling is high enough. If you had ranked competitive tic tac toe nobody would ever get out of bronze league. The reason games with small dedicated playerbases are hard to get into is because everybody else has better game knowledge/execution than you do so you lose a lot and losing doesn't feel good. The main issue is the size of the playerbase. Kids get to try hockey/football/whatever against other 6 year olds. If you want to get into broodwar right now, you're a 6 year old playing against AAA bantam players
>SHMUPS >skillful
go play counter strike lol, singleplayer games aren't "skillful" or hard unless you're playing hardcore boomer RTSs like those text WW2 ship simulator games.
In my lurking, here's what I've seen makes Ganker seethe >games where you have to press buttons in real time >games where you have to read stats and compare numbers >games that need you to combo, even a little bit >games that require failing to learn >games that don't hold your hand
Long story short, literally everything
that require failing to learn
This is the only one, if there is no indicator of a trap or way to give the player a chance to react to it then that is dogshit game design,
It's deep because you gotta dodge the bullets to not get one-shot (sometimes) but some games push it up a notch and force you to manipulate the bullet patterns so you don't trap yourself and can take out enough hazards/do more damage to the boss, however you also have the titular "bomb" or "special move" type of attack which is a powerful consumable with varying levels of rarity that lets you clear out a bunch of enemies, do a lot of damage to the boss, and/or even clear enemy bullets off your screen. These are just as valuable as your lives, more valuable if you're playing for score, and you'll want to find out the best places to use them. In Touhou, a lot of players don't learn the boss patterns and will spam their "spells" (special attack). If you wanna make fun of this genre in later threads, just mention that because it works really well in almost all of the Touhou games and lessens the memorization load dramatically. Of course, people beat these games without the bombs, but that's a challenge run.
Shitloads of words to try and portray basic braindead shit as deep. This is like mutts airdropping 1 day worth of meals for 2000 people into Gaza and trying to sell it off as a massive humanitarian campaign. Just raw cringe to anyone who actually bothers reading your stupid shit.
Using excessive amounts of words to say absolutely frickall is the cornerstone of politics. No shit I'm going to use a political analogy, you shit-for-brains.
i didn't know ikaruga was a super hard game, i just bought it because i'd heard people talk about it before and it was like 10 bucks. i really thought i was in the clear because i did the extra stage in eosd but i guess touhou actually isn't as hard as i thought.
I don't think its as hard of a game as people claim it to be, getting accustomed to changing your color might be the most difficult part about it but try and fricking play Crimzon Clover World Explosion, it makes early 2hu boss patterns into hard mob patterns and goes even crazier with some of the mid bosses and bosses but they are all logical patterns unlike 2hu patterns which are zany and fricked.
Its basically usually explained as a bit of a mix between rhythm and puzzle game, rhythm games came later on to the arcades and swept the audience with them mainly because they weren't as intimidating.
You make this thread every day and you will get the same answers every day.
You should never take what someone here says at face value. For the longest time, Ganker has shown disdain towards people showing high levels of proficiency at videogames and this betrayed their behavior. Terms like tourneygay, compgay, troony speedrunner or tryhards wouldn't be popular without incompetent people popularizing them. Granted some devs are wrong trying to pander to these good players especially but posters almost always blame those players and not the devs themselves
>do survival challenges >only care about PBs when it comes to score
All you need. Don't even involve yourself in the scoring metagaming shit if you don't want to.
>coin-op shmup
>deep
>not deep
These games typically have mechanics beyond moving and shooting.
As does Doom
thats how i know you never actually tried to play shmups
they are deep games
>gameplay density
lol
yes
if you tried to play a shmup trying to no die you would realize how exhausting they are and you feel like you played for hours even if you only played 30 minuts
You know there are other types of games? Maybe try one?
No I'm saying gameplay density is a dumb term and anyone who uses it to explain why a game is good was not bullied enough.
cope and seethe
you are bad at games and a casual
You would feel like you're playing for hours because you were playing for hours because you had to restart and do the whole thing over and over again whenever you died...
you should try them if you want to understand
im not a touhou player
I like Mork but he's utterly moronic when it comes to genres other than shmups
>moving your fingers
>skill
>hotel
>trivago
because people here can't regulate their emotions long enough to actually take on a real challenge and NOT punch a hole in a wall, b***h on Ganker, etc
this is the same board that complains about difficulty in action rpgs where you can simply outscale the challenge with brute force grinding
>2hu
>skill
lol
lmao
it is to laugh
What the frick is 2hu?
Disingenuous little fricking homosexual, frick you.
Because Ganker is full of hypocrite casuals who don't ACTUALLY want deep, challenging games, they just want the other idiots on the mongolian basket-weaving forum to see them SAYING that's what they want so that those people will think "Wow, that guy's hardcore, he sure has good taste and knows a lot about vidya!"
This site has been shit for many years now. It's now solely about farming (You)s and seeing who can be the most contrarian moron.
This is all just cope about the butthole mathematician who bought 924 apples at 0.43c an apple just to throw at you. It's vindictive crybaby bullshit.
Oh look it's this homosexual again. Here to claim moral superiority and make people try to post videos of themselves so you can feed your tiny dick energy ego again? Never posting videos of my clears, never recording, don't care, stay anally aggravated.
I finally 1CC'd Mushihimesama the other night. I know it's considered easy, but I'm a shitter and it felt good.
It's a shit genre, that's why.
because they're all shitters who cope by saying muh "fun" and "it's just a video game xDDD" until reality hits them
Nobody here will be able to do anything worthwhile like 800M+ EoSD even if they tried their entire fricking lives. With the sole exception of me, of course.
pure mental illness, not surprised people like you end up trooning out.
What is worthwhile about an EoSD WR
Why is Ganker so scared of actual skillful and challenging genres?
The success in that one is entirely determined by random stats at the beginning of each playthrough, you can't respec either.
>he doesn't know
you can respec but it's expensive
>Board that claims to hate casual gaming
>Gankerintendo
really?
People who are good at games have memorized the levels, enemy placement, boss patterns, projectile patterns, etc. But that is not my style. I react to every enemy as they appear in the moment, as if they appear for the first time. This is an imaginative roleplaying experience. It is cheating to memorize the level. It is like a movie character who is running on instinct in each scene. So it is a simulation, a test of reaction with no second chances. And my reactions aren't that good apparently. Also the rest of my brain is dedicated to imagining hypothetical scenarios such as worldbuilding, fanfiction, roleplaying campaigns, spinoffs, tie-in media, sequels remakes and other adapatations, as well as how the character feels if this scenario were to be one of those grounded and realistic moments where everything is being experienced firsthand by the character, who is not a character, but a fully conscious being, at least in another world. That's not relevant but, it does cut into my reaction time. Also I can't customize my moves according to my imagination, they're limited to the pre-programmed animations. You watch a cartoon or something and they improvise, they're always changing their movements, not limited to a set of attacks. Imagine the Zelda cartoon in VR. But even then there are programming limitations.
Feminine post. Right brain thinking is gay
I got a metal slug 1cc a while back. Not nearly as hard as Dodonpachi, but a challenging game nonetheless. I've also gotten a Castlevania 1 deathless run. Being a gamer feels good
Oh, and I finally beat a run on Nuclear Throne yesterday. The credit song was kino. Gonna try to loop now
The people who liked challenging games stopped browsing Ganker in large numbers years ago. Now you have people how actually shill playing on easy here.
Fans:Haha our genre is too hard for you!
Everyone else: Ok I wont then
>nobody plays it
RTS, AFPS, Fighting Games and Shootemups all have this issue. When will you morons learn?
These games are not hard because in the end videogames are not fundamentally hard. All you are doing is scaring people off who would otherwise have fun with you.
everyone plays fighting games even normalgays
Ganker shits itself at z motions
>videogames are not fundamentally hard
what does that even mean? Any game where you play against a human opponent is as hard as your opponent makes it, provided the skill ceiling is high enough. If you had ranked competitive tic tac toe nobody would ever get out of bronze league. The reason games with small dedicated playerbases are hard to get into is because everybody else has better game knowledge/execution than you do so you lose a lot and losing doesn't feel good. The main issue is the size of the playerbase. Kids get to try hockey/football/whatever against other 6 year olds. If you want to get into broodwar right now, you're a 6 year old playing against AAA bantam players
>SHMUPS
>skillful
go play counter strike lol, singleplayer games aren't "skillful" or hard unless you're playing hardcore boomer RTSs like those text WW2 ship simulator games.
>teamshit
In my lurking, here's what I've seen makes Ganker seethe
>games where you have to press buttons in real time
>games where you have to read stats and compare numbers
>games that need you to combo, even a little bit
>games that require failing to learn
>games that don't hold your hand
Long story short, literally everything
that require failing to learn
This is the only one, if there is no indicator of a trap or way to give the player a chance to react to it then that is dogshit game design,
>doom eternal literally explicitly tells you how to defeat every enemy
>Ganker STILL seethes
Ganker is 99% casual homosexuals
The only good games
youre supposed to put a touhou game in the OP
>thinly veiled eceleb worship thread
>hold shoot button
>dodge boolits
>pick up powerups
This is what you call "deep"?
It's deep because you gotta dodge the bullets to not get one-shot (sometimes) but some games push it up a notch and force you to manipulate the bullet patterns so you don't trap yourself and can take out enough hazards/do more damage to the boss, however you also have the titular "bomb" or "special move" type of attack which is a powerful consumable with varying levels of rarity that lets you clear out a bunch of enemies, do a lot of damage to the boss, and/or even clear enemy bullets off your screen. These are just as valuable as your lives, more valuable if you're playing for score, and you'll want to find out the best places to use them. In Touhou, a lot of players don't learn the boss patterns and will spam their "spells" (special attack). If you wanna make fun of this genre in later threads, just mention that because it works really well in almost all of the Touhou games and lessens the memorization load dramatically. Of course, people beat these games without the bombs, but that's a challenge run.
Shitloads of words to try and portray basic braindead shit as deep. This is like mutts airdropping 1 day worth of meals for 2000 people into Gaza and trying to sell it off as a massive humanitarian campaign. Just raw cringe to anyone who actually bothers reading your stupid shit.
>thread about videogames
>polhomosexual immediately goes off about random non-videogame topic
Using excessive amounts of words to say absolutely frickall is the cornerstone of politics. No shit I'm going to use a political analogy, you shit-for-brains.
We were talking about shmups
>food analogy
>can't read
Shmups are only deep if you care about scoring, and playing for score is fricking moronic. Cool genre though.
>playing for score is moronic
Why?
i bought ikaruga and it's fricking destroying me
bro just switch polarities
ikaruga is not a good begginer shmup
i didn't know ikaruga was a super hard game, i just bought it because i'd heard people talk about it before and it was like 10 bucks. i really thought i was in the clear because i did the extra stage in eosd but i guess touhou actually isn't as hard as i thought.
I don't think its as hard of a game as people claim it to be, getting accustomed to changing your color might be the most difficult part about it but try and fricking play Crimzon Clover World Explosion, it makes early 2hu boss patterns into hard mob patterns and goes even crazier with some of the mid bosses and bosses but they are all logical patterns unlike 2hu patterns which are zany and fricked.
>our frothing demand for this game increases
What did they mean by this
>Remembering the exact same route and do it every time
>Challenging
It's one step above a rhythm game.
Its basically usually explained as a bit of a mix between rhythm and puzzle game, rhythm games came later on to the arcades and swept the audience with them mainly because they weren't as intimidating.
You make this thread every day and you will get the same answers every day.
You should never take what someone here says at face value. For the longest time, Ganker has shown disdain towards people showing high levels of proficiency at videogames and this betrayed their behavior. Terms like tourneygay, compgay, troony speedrunner or tryhards wouldn't be popular without incompetent people popularizing them. Granted some devs are wrong trying to pander to these good players especially but posters almost always blame those players and not the devs themselves
Don't forget sweat/sweaty
>play shmup
>enjoy power ups and bosses
>get deeper into the genre
>it's all score autism
>abandon genre
>depth is autism
Just go for 1cc and no death runs and see if you can outdo yourself.
>do survival challenges
>only care about PBs when it comes to score
All you need. Don't even involve yourself in the scoring metagaming shit if you don't want to.