https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6LbhhoOSIw
Just listen to his voice.
They also do a good job of making him both mysterious and powerful and maintain that for most of the game while still giving you ample reason to chase after him.
They also do a good job of making him both mysterious and powerful and maintain that for most of the game while still giving you ample reason to chase after him.
That's the worst way to deal with a villain.
If the only knowledge you have of him is people description then you failed at making the villain interesting or compelling. You just wrote a wikipedia page of him for players to read and had his model as a final boss.
It's literally not hard to have the villain actually interact with the protag through the story.
Because the story is written like shit and it's more of a romance simulator for creepy incels rather than a compelling tale about a villain high elf trying to take over the world and the protagonist having to stop him.
>a romance simulator for creepy incels
has the based department been informed about this?
2 years ago
Anonymous
They have, they are all mentally ill incel cuckolds so they loved the game, specially because Viconia constantly tells them about all the dicks she rode
2 years ago
Anonymous
I can fix her.
2 years ago
Anonymous
kek. well played, bro.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Considering Viconia can go chaotic good, he kinda can.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Chaotic good? My homie with all your effort she barely becomes true neutral
That's the worst way to deal with a villain.
If the only knowledge you have of him is people description then you failed at making the villain interesting or compelling. You just wrote a wikipedia page of him for players to read and had his model as a final boss.
It's literally not hard to have the villain actually interact with the protag through the story.
He is? But he shows up like 2 times in the whole game and is ridiculously boring.
I don't think he's a great villain but your points are moronic.
But Irenicus does not care about the player character beyond taking his soul for himself. The player is a tool for Irenicus in his quest to attain divine power. He is arrogant enough to believe he can make himself a god. Irenicus thinks too highly of himself to notice the player.
>never read
people who b***h about reading are unconfident subhumans that need to b***h about something to feel intellectually superior >lonely nerds
yes dnd is for nerds. Baldurs gate is for lonely nerds because you can play dnd without friends. Now go back to
Wrong board
Voice acting has nothing to do with it. He has several cutscenes where he dishes out unique to himself spell effects and basically engages in a huge power play to shake up the power balance in Athkatla, and does so in style.
It's a loaded interaction because most of it is crafted to influence the player, but a lot of the psychology ties into sexual subtext. He emasculates the player in the beginning, steals the girl (doesn't matter if it's the protagonist's sister, that's not how the player feels), and throughout the game no further interaction (or attention) is given to the player from him. This is awfully similar psychology to what arouses attraction in females to a stoic alpha male.
Considering David Gaider, a gay man, was the writer, it is not far-fetched that romance was a major inspiration behind the writing for the character, even if it's the nemesis to the, assumedly male, protagonist.
>But I don't see the emasculation
Well, I think it's pretty clear. You're intimately experimented on, and you lose your "essence" before being discarded as meat for the horrors of Spellhold's bowels. This could easily be symbolic for the protagonist's manhood. Nothing works better as a motivator than the impotent rage of things implied scratching at your cerebrum. And let's not forget Imoen was originally supposed to die in Spellhold, rendering your efforts pointless even further.
Spellhold isn't in the beginning. So I figured you meant the first dungeon. There you break out and immediately gear up for revengeance.
Spellhold ends with the party driving away Irenicus. At no point do you ever stop resisting or fighting back against Irenicus. If Irenicus taking your soul was truly meant to symbolize emasculation, your newfound slayer powers can then be seen as you being a far bigger man than Irenicus expected.
I think hoping for a definitive answer is not going to be possible because everything, like Imoen, had to be rewritten to accomodate a video game's plot and the player. But, this doesn't change that submission is a notable theme throughout. The dream sequences invite you to submit to the taint that manifests as the guy that emasculated the protag. And then you arrive in Spellhold only to be given proof that you are, afterall, powerless and cucked.
This seems logical because everything in the game revolves around heterosexual romance, so I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the subtext involved queer undertones and the male coming short of what's societally expected of the straight man archetype.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I believe you are overthinking it. Homos were really not a big deal back then in media.
>the essence of Bhaal manifests as Irenicus
Only the first few. Then it switches to Imoen. Bodhis reaction makes it pretty clear that Irenicus and his plans have nothing to do with the slayer form or this creeping corruption.
>everything in the game revolves around heterosexual romance
BG2 was the game that brought romances in cRPGs into the mainstream. In a way those romances were experiments, adding homosexual romance options (20 years ago) would have only complicated matters. >coming short of what's societally expected of the straight man archetype.
Becoming a killing machine, slaying dragons and taking the throne of the god of murder?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Becoming a killing machine, slaying dragons and taking the throne of the god of murder?
None of this is canon. You never kill any dragons. This is further evidenced by the novel.
The game is rife with gay subtext, you just can't see it despite playing as an emasculated protagonist.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Finish the game or bend over.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>none of this is canon
gay homosexual that believes that the protagonist of the bg games is canoniclly a moron that got hit in the head and dreamt the entire saga in his head. No you dumb moron, what i played is canon and nothing else matters. What some homosexual writes in his gay novel and "says" is canon is irrelevant. kys
2 years ago
Anonymous
The novels aren't canon, and you're a disgusting homo. Remain silent from now on, thanks.
>he has never seen a vegana
I'm not even homosexual, yet you troglodytes start seething at the mere suggestion of gay subtext from an openly gay writer.
Pathetic, isn't it? And then you began lashing out when the future BioWare games featured homosexual characters.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I told you to be quiet.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You lost the argument and threw a b***h fit. Because once the meanies call you names you don't have to face having been wrong.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The novels aren't canon, and you're a disgusting homo. Remain silent from now on, thanks.
Boomers
Who?
Because David Warner voices him
wait is this true? i will now play your boomer game
If nothing else, Irenicus does have a cool voice.
It's true, all of it.
He's the original muscle-wizard and had a good voice actor. Also, BG2 is a good game in general. That is all.
>He's the original muscle-wizard
EXCUSE ME?
Can he beat Melissan?
Good question, Melissan far outclasses him in sheer levels but doesn't actually use much magic in battle.
Just listen to his voice.
They also do a good job of making him both mysterious and powerful and maintain that for most of the game while still giving you ample reason to chase after him.
Because tons of people like to pretend they've played BG2.
He is? But he shows up like 2 times in the whole game and is ridiculously boring.
But you learn a lot about him throughout the game, so its not like you don't know or have forgotten about him once you finally fight him
That's the worst way to deal with a villain.
If the only knowledge you have of him is people description then you failed at making the villain interesting or compelling. You just wrote a wikipedia page of him for players to read and had his model as a final boss.
It's literally not hard to have the villain actually interact with the protag through the story.
Well it wouldn't make much sense if you were interacting with him all the time
Because the story is written like shit and it's more of a romance simulator for creepy incels rather than a compelling tale about a villain high elf trying to take over the world and the protagonist having to stop him.
>a romance simulator for creepy incels
has the based department been informed about this?
They have, they are all mentally ill incel cuckolds so they loved the game, specially because Viconia constantly tells them about all the dicks she rode
I can fix her.
kek. well played, bro.
Considering Viconia can go chaotic good, he kinda can.
Chaotic good? My homie with all your effort she barely becomes true neutral
iirc, his plan isnt to "take over the world" he wants to kill the elven pantheon and take their place
I don't think he's a great villain but your points are moronic.
But Irenicus does not care about the player character beyond taking his soul for himself. The player is a tool for Irenicus in his quest to attain divine power. He is arrogant enough to believe he can make himself a god. Irenicus thinks too highly of himself to notice the player.
Hence why he's not the greatest RPG villain. He's a literal who the character just kills despite only knowing he has a fetish for van goug.
>greatest RPG villain
what a grand and intoxicating innocence
>Why is he considered the greatest RPG villain?
The escaping Spellhold cutscene was kino
The only people who think that Incelicus is a good villian are autistic lonely nerds who never read any decent fantasy writing.
>never read
people who b***h about reading are unconfident subhumans that need to b***h about something to feel intellectually superior
>lonely nerds
yes dnd is for nerds. Baldurs gate is for lonely nerds because you can play dnd without friends. Now go back to
Wrong board
Purely because of the voice acting. Nothing special about him otherwise.
Voice acting has nothing to do with it. He has several cutscenes where he dishes out unique to himself spell effects and basically engages in a huge power play to shake up the power balance in Athkatla, and does so in style.
It's a loaded interaction because most of it is crafted to influence the player, but a lot of the psychology ties into sexual subtext. He emasculates the player in the beginning, steals the girl (doesn't matter if it's the protagonist's sister, that's not how the player feels), and throughout the game no further interaction (or attention) is given to the player from him. This is awfully similar psychology to what arouses attraction in females to a stoic alpha male.
Considering David Gaider, a gay man, was the writer, it is not far-fetched that romance was a major inspiration behind the writing for the character, even if it's the nemesis to the, assumedly male, protagonist.
I was going to argue against this, but then I remembered the nipples.
But I don't see the emasculation. Seems far fetched. You do break out and hit the road running.
>But I don't see the emasculation
Well, I think it's pretty clear. You're intimately experimented on, and you lose your "essence" before being discarded as meat for the horrors of Spellhold's bowels. This could easily be symbolic for the protagonist's manhood. Nothing works better as a motivator than the impotent rage of things implied scratching at your cerebrum. And let's not forget Imoen was originally supposed to die in Spellhold, rendering your efforts pointless even further.
Spellhold isn't in the beginning. So I figured you meant the first dungeon. There you break out and immediately gear up for revengeance.
Spellhold ends with the party driving away Irenicus. At no point do you ever stop resisting or fighting back against Irenicus. If Irenicus taking your soul was truly meant to symbolize emasculation, your newfound slayer powers can then be seen as you being a far bigger man than Irenicus expected.
I think hoping for a definitive answer is not going to be possible because everything, like Imoen, had to be rewritten to accomodate a video game's plot and the player. But, this doesn't change that submission is a notable theme throughout. The dream sequences invite you to submit to the taint that manifests as the guy that emasculated the protag. And then you arrive in Spellhold only to be given proof that you are, afterall, powerless and cucked.
This seems logical because everything in the game revolves around heterosexual romance, so I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the subtext involved queer undertones and the male coming short of what's societally expected of the straight man archetype.
I believe you are overthinking it. Homos were really not a big deal back then in media.
>the essence of Bhaal manifests as Irenicus
Only the first few. Then it switches to Imoen. Bodhis reaction makes it pretty clear that Irenicus and his plans have nothing to do with the slayer form or this creeping corruption.
>everything in the game revolves around heterosexual romance
BG2 was the game that brought romances in cRPGs into the mainstream. In a way those romances were experiments, adding homosexual romance options (20 years ago) would have only complicated matters.
>coming short of what's societally expected of the straight man archetype.
Becoming a killing machine, slaying dragons and taking the throne of the god of murder?
>Becoming a killing machine, slaying dragons and taking the throne of the god of murder?
None of this is canon. You never kill any dragons. This is further evidenced by the novel.
The game is rife with gay subtext, you just can't see it despite playing as an emasculated protagonist.
Finish the game or bend over.
>none of this is canon
gay homosexual that believes that the protagonist of the bg games is canoniclly a moron that got hit in the head and dreamt the entire saga in his head. No you dumb moron, what i played is canon and nothing else matters. What some homosexual writes in his gay novel and "says" is canon is irrelevant. kys
I'm not even homosexual, yet you troglodytes start seething at the mere suggestion of gay subtext from an openly gay writer.
Pathetic, isn't it? And then you began lashing out when the future BioWare games featured homosexual characters.
I told you to be quiet.
You lost the argument and threw a b***h fit. Because once the meanies call you names you don't have to face having been wrong.
The novels aren't canon, and you're a disgusting homo. Remain silent from now on, thanks.
>he has never seen a vegana
Sarevok and his conspiracy felt far more satisfying than trying to unravel Irenicus' weird deus ex machina magic.
He isn't. Cope harder.
For me, it's Kefka