Why is it so hard for people to say a console didn't sell well because it didn't have games that people wanted to play? There's always coping about marketing or self-sabotage. Sometimes a console just has a software issue.
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yay another console war thread
It's the Sega fanboy janny making them so they don't get deleted, seething about the Cube is literally his entire life
1. It had a lot more memorable games than the N64 and even got genres like JRPGs covered, Both consoles are beloved with a huge fanbase
2. Nintendo consoles are quality > quantity. A lot of Cube games with high review scores
3. Melee alone is played by more people than all PS2 games combined
Only morons and samegays below this line:
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Old /vr/ warned about this when kids we're begging for 6th gen to be included..
What game was the GameCube missing?
GTA, FF, halo
It had an exclusive FF game.
This game is more like an insult to GC owners. "You can't have a real FF game, but here you go, have this meme co-op spinoff"
Why do you toddlers always act so clueless? You know exactly what he meant, this is absolutely nothing like any other FF games.
>GTA
Has aiming so you are dumb if not playing the PC version
>halo
Dito
>FF
So you have shittaste
>Has aiming so you are dumb if not playing the PC version
What a moronic take. I feel bad for people that trade fluid analog driving(99% of the game) for the ability to aim while standing.
get a pc mate
Trash, and you are a subhuman for liking that trash
Fortnite, Minecraft, Garry's Mod
zoomers don't know how to enjoy a console if it doesn't have at least one of these games
and yet the switch still has sold 150 million units without any of those. curious!
It has Fortnite and Minecraft. Pretty sure they’re both top sellers too.
>Z-zoomers!
>>Z-zoomers!
This but unironically. Godless zoomers love their brand wars.
Gamecube is such trash.
The good kind.
A good Mario game
A good F Zero game
A good Wario game
A good 2D game that wasn't a compilation of games from better consoles
>A good F Zero game
Simply ebin
>A good 2D game that wasn't a compilation of games from better consoles
Viewtiful Joe
You got me I forgot about Joe
What’s wrong with Wario World?
generic poor repetitive level design
boss fights are the best part
>A good F Zero game
I agree that X is better than GX though most people actually prefer GX and GX is still amazing
Every time someone "criticizes" Nintendo on this trash board it's literally just saying hyperopinionated and hypersubjective random shit
>A good Mario game
well it had the best mario kart
personally i still don't get the crapcom 5 bullshit
i mean you don't have all the capcom package on gamecube
shit like onimusha or that other one with dante bullshit
anyway
no gta no silent hill (yeah muh resident evil) no metal gear solid no konami pes games
yet there was a bunch of games multiplatforms anyone shared
like teenage mutant ninja turtles games or need for speed blackbox games or splinter cell or enter the matrix or even the lotr games whatever
I would say it was mostly a software issue for the GC. It was selling the same kinds of games to the same people as the N64, which wasn't very successful to begin with. So of course it didn't sell well.
GC flopped because all the GC followups to N64 games were downgrades. Sunshine is a poor follow up to SM64, WW likewise to OoT/MM, etc.
This is very much true although I think it flopped because PS2 had a head start, backwards compatibility, DVDs and some great Jap exclusives.
Nintendo fricked up hard with their own franchises whether they developed themselves or were made by 3rd parties.
>Sunshine (and Luigi as a surrogate Mario launch title)
>Wind Walker
>SF Assault
>Double Dash
>F-Zero GX (it is good but pales in comparison to X)
>No 2D Mario or Yoshi
>No proper Donkey Kong game
>Finally a new Metroid game but it was outshined by old Super Metroid
>Worse Pokemon games
And lack of Rare to carry the weight.
>Nintendo fricked up with those million sellers that have 95% on Metacritic!
Yep, schizo thread
I'm outta here
fricked up with those million sellers that have 95% on Metacritic!
And games like Zelda WW even sell like hay to this day. Nintendo could release a Switch port any time and it'd instantly turn to gold. /vr/ is literally a containment board for low-IQ social outcasts
The games weren't what the people wanted.
Those games sold well in the bubble of the GameCube because there was frick all else for people who bought one to play. No shit you're going to buy Wind Waker if the alternative is Billy Hatcher and the Giant Egg. The fact remains that they were still unappealling to the general public and failed to move consoles. The GameCube was a complete flop and sold less units than a machine from a completely new player to the market. No amount of tendie revisionism and feet stomping about MUH REVIEW SCORES (as if anyone gives a frick) will change that.
>people only bought those 95% Metacritic games that are easily among the best in their genre because there was nothing else
2002 console warring destroyed your brain and you are stuck in that period for the rest of your life
>No shit you're going to buy Wind Waker if the alternative is Billy Hatcher and the Giant Egg
Yeah we got to play good games made by Nintendo instead of Segaslop that Xbox trannies cope over
>GC flopped because all the GC followups to N64 games were downgrade
You could say the same about the Wii to GC except Sunshine/Galaxy and it still raped GC sales. It's ridiculous to suggest that there are no other factors besides games' quality.
It's a fickle market with a young customer base and you need the right gimmick and be in the right place at the right time to generate hype. A bit like how your peepeepoopoo post on Twitter gets 1k likes but your effortpost explaining how we get world peace gets 10 and you have to try again in a week with slightly different wording. Happens.
Best example is obviously the Wii which sold twice as much as the GC. Literally all the Wii games in its first 1.5 year:
>Excite Truck, Red steel, Twilight Princess (the mirrored waggle version), WarioWare Smooth Moves, Wii Sports
Meanwhile GC in its first 1.5 year:
>Luigi's Mansion, Super Monkey Ball 1 and 2, Wave Race: Blue Storm, Pikmin, Crazy Taxi, Rogue Squadron 2, THPS3 and 4, SSBM, SSX Tricky, Animal Crossing, Sonic Adventure 2 Battle, Primal Fury, REmake and Zero, Lost Kingdoms, Bomberman Generation, Eternal Darkness, Beach Spikers, Mario Sunshine, Phantasy Star Online, Star Fox Adventures, TimeSplitters 2, Metroid Prime, Baldur's Gate GA, Muscle Champion, OoT MQ
Even the Switch has a shittier exclusive lineup than the GC but sells like hot cakes. Good games make up maybe 50% of a console's success. The other 50% is gaining a marketing advantages and luck.
Also console war thread and the janny being in here and deleting posts instead of this weekly GC bad thread tells me I shouldn't waste my time here.
Tbf, Pikmin 1 feels like a draft compared to 2 (2004) which is the real masterpiece in the series
GC having a bunch of games people got PS2's and Xbox for wasn't what people wanted. Nobody else had Wii Sports at the time. TP also helped.
Aside from Wii managing to catch the attention of normies with its gimmick, there's also the fact that PS3 and Xbox 360 started aplying anti consumer practices like DLCs, that I hated and keep hating with raging passion.
I'm not a tendie and I loved ps1 and ps2. But I still bough a Wii instead of a PS3 and the absence of DLCs was one of my main reasons. The console being compatible with Game Cube games and having a decent third party support also helped a lot, as I knew I would have a decent variety of games. And I didn't need to buy a new TV either.
Gimmicks aside, other people might have considered buying a Wii because of these factors.
>Best example is obviously the Wii which sold twice as much as the GC.
Then you agree, the Wii had the games people wanted at the time, unlike the GC. Maybe that doesn't make the GC games worse, but maybe that doesn't save them either.
I mean it's a fun console. Having GBA support from the start would've helped it though
It did though. That's why it's still talked about and remembered more than the flavor of the month PS2.
It's only hard if those "people" are fans of a certain company. Anyone shilling the GameCube, N64, or SNES, is too far gone to be able to rationalise the actual quality of console libraries.
What's the matter with the fricking snes?
>What's the matter with the fricking snes?
It's a piece of shit. The hardware was much slower and way more bottlenecked in every conceivable way compared with it's competitors, and the direct consequence of this was that it was unable to perform action games of any variety anywhere close to the same level as the more powerful Mega Drive or PC Engine. Despite having 1700 games, only about a dozen of those titles are worth a damn, and they are continually touted as "best games of all time" in an effort to make it look like the horrifically shallow library has more to offer than it really does. Just like the N64 and GameCube, the only people defending the SNES are the extremist fanboys who hold no interest in any retro gaming outside of their safe space of Mario, Zelda, Metroid. The Mega Drive had better hardware, a better games library with both higher quality titles and more depth in general, and was the more popular console by far. Sounds an awful lot like the PlayStation versus N64, or the PS2 versus GameCube, doesn't it?
THREETIMES-kun! How is your weekend going? Lonely?
for what it’s worth I think the PS2 would be discussed more if it’s emulation quality was anywhere near what dolphin has been for years now. Say what you want but emulation is the strongest force for keeping these consoles preserved and discussed throughout the years. Dolphin has mogged PCSX2 for a while now.
*its
Which also explains people being more familiar with the PSX than the N64.
are you posting from 2013? PCSX2 is awesome and has been for several years now. way more features than dolphin too. i haven't encountered one game that doesn't work perfectly with the new nightly builds.
>Why is it so hard for people to say a console didn't sell well because it didn't have games that people wanted to play?
Really hard to say why people walk on egg shells like this. Saturn didn't have those big 3d games that would have really caught peoples attention, but sega should have pushed what they *did* have instead of hoping for something they couldn't get. GC had a game quality problem and the Nintendo games were really rehashy and didn't deliver on expectations but the fans will freak out if they hear this and start begrudging "wigger" games even tho GC had plenty of those.
GameCube disappointed & was lacking hype, excitement or the teen/young adult demographic that PS2 or Xbox had. One amazing game (RE4) isn't enough to convince the 100+ million people who bought a PS2, lmfao. Plus they got RE4 anyway, even though it was a slightly weaker port. PS2 had GTA 3, Vice City, San Andreas, GoW 1&2, DMC, FFX, Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec, the list goes on. Xbox had even sexier graphics like Doa Ultimate, Hali 1&2, Fable, Jade Empire, Kotor, Half life 2. Fricking BEAST compared to another Mario or Zelda kid-friendly mascot game. Was the GameCube a good system? Sure. Was it better than PS2 or Sexbox? Frick no.
Metroid Prime mogs all of that goyslop
Metroid Prime was horrible. Only game I ever sold back in the day. Hate when reviewers trick you by hyping up bad games.
You have bad taste.
Says the man defending the worst 6th generation console by far.
GCN had the best two best games of the generation.
jesus christ anon, have you no shame?
You didn't think MetPrime was kinda boring? Not a terrible game overall (it was very faithful to the OG 2d games) but the actual 'fun' aspect was sort of lacking.
>You didn't think MetPrime was kinda boring?
No most people don't think that
Gamecube flopped because all the new gaming demographic wanted to play was open world crime games. It got to the point where even Konami and Capcom were publishing absolute dogshit to try and compete with GTA by the end of the generation. I don't think people acknowledge how much damage Rockstar did to gaming.
Not Rockstar's fault people started shitting out unironic gangster crap for actual idiots. GTAs 1 through San Andreas are fun, goofy arcadey action. Rockstar started drinking the "serious games for mature gamers" koolaid eventually sure, but that's 7th gen.
>I don't think people acknowledge how much damage Rockstar did to gaming.
Openworld and its consequences have been a disaster for gaming.
Nonsense. They should have gone further with open-world games. The only problem with them is that they never evolved.
Expect the Gamecube had a great library, better than the Wii and Wii U that's for sure. But I don't really care if Nintendo made a lot of money or not.
>it didn't have games that people wanted to play?
What's your point, though? People consume a lot of objectively bad trash and a lot of great things are underappreciated
And no, there are many other factors to it, like the kiddy image because people wanted to be edgy homos around that time and PS2 coming first and having a DVD player
The point is to stop pretending that there's some other magical reason a console flopped. Just say that "it didn't have the game people wanted" instead of coping with this other nonsense.
>Just say that "it didn't have the game people wanted"
I'll continue saying that people were moronic and the Cube ahead of its time, though, the whole "kiddy image" and how everyone was an edgegay back then being the best example. Pikmin 1 and 2 outsold the GC versions on the Switch Eshop alone
I also don't really care about sales because I'm not an autistic manchild fanboy. If a console has the games that I want? Good. I don't care about Nintendo's finances. They make more than enough money, don't worry lol
>it didn't have games that people wanted to play?
>posts picture with a dozen million sellers in it
This. What OP says applies to Dreamcast which has like 3 exclusive games that sold 1 M
Dreamcast had games that people wanted to play yet it sold even less than Gamecube.
gamecube was on the market for 6 years and got 650 games, dreamcast was on the market for 2 years and got 620 games
the difference os that the gamecube had games like RE4 and melee and the dreamcast had arcade ports
>gamecube had games like RE4
For like 2 weeks before it was ported to everything under the sun, gc versions were also usually released later cuz nintendo politics
what is that pic trying to prove? that has nothing to do with RE4. it never came to the Xbox and it didn't show up on PS2 until almost a year later you revisionist homosexual.
>show up on PS2 until almost a year later
And it outsold the GC version despite being on the market for a year fewer
people who bought gc hated games like re4, they loved games like mario party which is why they made 4 of them
>GC had RE4 and dreamcast didn't
>OH YEAH WELL IT CAME TO PS2 2 WEEKS LATER
>no it didn't
>YEAH WELL IT OUTSOLD THE GCN VERSION LOL
uh alright. i think you might have down syndrome bro
You don't even realize something different is being discussed, nintendo brained people are fricking moronic.
Exactly, people who bought PS2's wanted games like RE4. People who bought GC wanted...Nintendo man.
>You don't even realize something different is being discussed,
... because you randomly started talking about RE4 on PS2 in a completely unrelated discussion about GC vs DC games. please have a nice day you ESL sodomite
Ps2 had a larger install base
Dreamcast had Code Veronica and SoulCalibur, homosexual.
>the worst RE and the Soul Calibur 2 beta
w-whoa
>the worst RE
>the worst RE
correct
>all these pseuds theorizing about the shitcube's demise
The GC sold like shit because it was a fricking purple square with a handle and tiny discs, a hasbro controller and a complete dogshit marquee launch title. It looked like a joke. Then they doubled down with an endless stream of divisive sequels like Wind Waker and Sunshine. All of this, while facing competition from the most hyped console of all time (PS2) which looked like an adult electronic, had adult games, could play DVDs and was backwards compatible with all of the PS1 games little timmy already owned, not to mention a newcomer in the Xbox which secured the college jabroni demographic Nintendo once had with the N64, backed up and marketed by the largest corporation in the world. How the frick was a gay little lunchbox going to win in this scenario? It couldn't have. Now, this is what should have actually happened:
>force the nips to work doubletime so Melee is ready as a launch title
>ditch the gay handle and purple color, market the console in silver or black
>make the same controller but add a second Z trigger, and two regular analog sticks
>give people the realistic Zelda and SM64 2.0 they wanted instead of experimental cartoon trash
If they had done this, they could've maybe hit N64 sales numbers and outpaced the original Xbox. Instead they thought that making a gay clown console would make them "stand out" or something. We see how that went. The GC is still one of my favorite consoles of all time, if not for RE4 alone, but it's not hard to see why it failed.
Why it's so hard for people to make quality threads?
Garbage thread
Degenerate console warriors like OP should be nailed to a cross.
One of the most moronic threads at this moment. Have you no shame OP?
Were any of you kids actually around back then??
The REAL answer was that it didn't have a DVD player like the PS2 and XBox because like with the N64, Nintendo had to be contrarian and use stupid baby disks.
It seems silly now, but having a gaming system AND DVD player back in 2000/2001 was a HUGE selling point back then.
At the time VHS was still going strong because DVD players weren't common or very affordable. Neither were gaming PCs.
The PS2 alone was an enormous influence in the acceleration of the DVD market.
The XBox was a giant paperweight until dudebros fell in love in Halo since console shooters were so rare.
Then once Halo established Xbox a base, the Xbox was kept alive because it was superior hardware to the PS2 so it got better ports of the common gamer bread-and-butter like EA Sports and Rockstar games (although the GTA ports for XBox were very delayed, it didn't matter in the long run).
>GCubbies fighting against Dreamboys
Eats the popcorn
It's all sonyboys falseflagging
It looks like a fricking toy and there were no adult games, no one older than 8 wanted to be seen playing it
So do the Wii and the Switch but times changed since the Xtreme early 00's, the infantilization of society and of men in particular helped Nintendo turn things around
No your autistic ramblings about critical acclaim don't count, normal people want popcorn games, don't quote me because Wave Race, F Zero and Metroid always sell like crap and Melee sold ad many copies as there are people who care about it anyway. RE4 was too little too late.
Honestly the DC looks more like a toy, and the Xbox looks more like some burger King shit.
Black GC looks nice, as does the PS2.
>DC looks more like a toy
It doesn't. To me it always looked like a time PC because it was beige just like them. Built-in modem and mouse and keyboard accessories only reinforced that.
*tiny, not time
ITT:
>it wasn't goyslop for wiggers so it's bad
Grow up frickface
That NARC reboot is everything that sucked about 6th gen. The perfect game for this iconic meme image. Michael Madsen calling you a moron when you fail a mission was the best part of it.
nintendo fans set themselves up hard for nmh and madworld overcompensation the following generation
Nice boogeyman, but isn't it that the "nintendo fans" only care about 1st party stuff?
Madworld is liked by clover/platinum/cuhrazey fans and NMH is liked by suda fans.
>but isn't it that the "nintendo fans" only care about 1st party stuff?
That's mostly their cope and it's used to dismiss countless games but when the advantage comes up they'll dangle some mediocre third party shovelware as if it's the hottest shit. Madworld and NMH are stylish but the gameplay is some of the weakest in a game probably ever.
>That's mostly their cope and it's used to dismiss countless games but when the advantage comes up they'll dangle some mediocre third party shovelware as if it's the hottest shit.
SNES library in a nutshell.
Sound like you are the one toggling around the narrative depending on how you want to paint your boogeymen. If it suits the narrative better, the nintendo fans only talk about 1st party, but if not, they will tall about third party. Whatever.
Also nah, Madworld and NMH still have better gameplay than any western openworld walk simulator movie shit.
I think it really came down to the culture at the time, people were scared to death to seem childish, even children. so only a small subset of the normal game players were willing to buy a gamecub. stuff like windwaker and animal crossing, while popular games did more to lend to this "kiddy console" stigma. combine that with the design of the console and controller and lack of a dvd player and you've pretty much summed up why the gamecube failed while the wii succeeded. There was a huge shift in cultural perspectives in the west about childishness right around the end of the gamecube era that helped a lot and that we are still in.
I wanted a console that I could take from my house to my fathers house at the weekends and when my bag was full I could carry it by the handle.
It had games I wanted to play and did.
My PS2 sat at home, had games I wanted to play but collected dust.
I'm not gonna console war some shit or get all riled up because third parties didn't want to fit a game onto a smaller disc.
True. Gamecube had the best games and will have that legacy, but it wasn't what the market wanted at the moment. The dudebros just wanted GTA.