An interesting point, but does this give them absolute power over you? Can they command you to jump to your death, or chop off your foot? Reasonably, their laws should make sense, and they should have the moral authority to enforce them. Copyright law is a very interesting beast that way. Does the government have the right to push a law that extends copyright for 500 years + the life of the author? They have no moral reason to do it, and it's pushed solely by greed and corporate lobbying.
Although, to play devil's advocate, downloading a game because you don't want to pay the dev is still a dick move. God might not get behind such an action. I guess it all comes down to your conscience. Me personally, there isn't an issue with pirating a game if you bought it already, or if you legally can't buy it due to it being abandonware. It really comes down to your motives. God isn't gonna act as the personal copyright enforcer because Super Pee Pee Brothers hasn't seen a storefront in 20 years, and you want to play it once or twice, and copies on the third hand market are 5000+ dollars, and might not even be legitimate.
I though about this. If you 'steal' from a bank you're not taking the bread out of the clerks mouths. If you 'steal' from corporation you don't hurt a soul. If you 'steal' a game with piracy the publisher doesn't even lose anything and the people who actually made the game have already been paid. Who's wellbeing is dimnished if you steal from a non-essential collective establishment?
Smaller gamedevs and studios require funds to continue making games, pirating said games reduces their income and will prevent them from making more. Of course, pirating games from large titles or publishers is the excetion
Smaller game devs will get their funds regardless
but do you really wanna support gays who make a game that lasts less than a hour and makes a shitty quake clone that rips other games off and calls it inspiration?
If the price is appropriate, there's nothing wrong with a game being short. 'he makes short games' is a stupid reason to think someone doesn't deserve to be paid
>Smaller gamedevs and studios require funds to continue making games
Frick you, don't make any games then. If you got to nickel and dime to that degree then you shouldn't be in the business.
This was my Econ profs position. If you pirate something you were never going to buy in the first place, no harm. If you pirate something you’d buy otherwise, the worlds a worse place.
It's also been proven that the more people that pirate your media the more people will buy it simply due to word of mouth. You simply need to make something worth pirating/buying.
It's not always like that, let's take this scenario for example >Publisher pays developer a certain fixed amount of money to make a game. >The game is considered good and gets good reviews. >However, the game fails to sale enough copies, and a lot of people pirated it. >Publisher says the game didn't do well so they're putting the franchise on hold and probably not working with said developer again
Maybe if everyone that pirated this game had bought it instead, the publisher would have considered the game a success, and would have continued to work with this developer to make further games.
You could say that it's okay, that it's not your problem, because you got to enjoy a good game without paying, but this would affect you (and the developers) since the game failing to sale enough copies means no sequels or further games from that developer.
But the publishers are already making these games shitty by usually forcing the developers to implement greedy monitization practices, so by buying them you're actively supporting the destruction of the sequels anyways, and thats not even getting into publishers forcing said sequels to be developed for the lowest common denominator.
You forgot the part where 99% of the people who pirated it would never have paid for it or bought it to play it in the first place. Also, games like Stellaris and Civ are highly pirated, yet the people who pirate those games generally are so impressed that they go on to actually purchase the next game or DLC from that company.
So in short you're moronic
taxes pay for banks, actually. the US government pretty much borrows every dollar it spends and uses every dollar of taxpayer money to repay that debt.
I don't pay taxes.
paid under the table, I walk or ride my second hand bought bike to work. I like in a house I built on land I don't own and nobody knows.
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now you've posted it on here the atf will be gassing "your" house within the week i suspect.
Society costs 20k a person a year. It’s insane that you think everything around you from schooling, roads, sewers, the army should cost 99% less than 20k.
Depends on the game. If it’s something the company doesn’t sell or support anymore, then there is no “victim.” If it’s something that just came out, then yes, you are stealing.
I got nothing against pirating as I’ve pirated a few games here and there…. I just don’t pretend it’s something it’s not.
>is morally fine
No one really cares about morals, anyone who pretends they do is a lying homosexual.
People only don't commit crimes because of the consequences that come with doing so, if there was no consequences "morals" would go out the window in seconds.
It isn't, what's hard is to get over the stockholn syndrome many gamers have been deeply entrenched in for years.
My brothers, arise and see your shackles. You are men, not prisoners!
Arise, brothers! And pirate all your favorite games
Yes and no.
For indie devs who have nothing and don't borrow money, you are hurting them. If everyone threw a dollar at an indie dev he could make a few thousands and launch a proper studio.
For big corporations, who do take loans and funding, they already had the money and now are working on paying it back and make excess profits on top of it. Pirating doesn't mean anything in that dynamic.
What sucks is that people bundle AAA and indies together.
these reddit-esque exploitables send me into a fit of irrational rage, even/especially if it's le based Ganker (formerly Ganker) opinion parroted
like that one REMAKES SUCK A Black person DICK based on simpsons
Just pirate shit or not who fricking cares this whole rationalization shit is gay. You're illegally downloading software you could (probably) otherwise pay for. No more, no less. If you can accept that go ahead, if you can't don't.
>If paying for games is not owning
It should be. >Then pirating is not stealing
Maybe not technically (and note that there are many actions that aren't stealing which still aren't moral), but a person or group of people put (quite often) years of effort and resources into creating something, and they expected to be paid for it as compensation for someone having access to their product. They invested in something to get paid for it as a seller. If you don't want to pay for it, you can just not play the game, it's that simple. There's no way to verify that a large number of pirates wouldn't pay for the game otherwise if they weren't pirating, and in many cases piracy does effectively cost a dev money. The Dreamcast, for example, was hurt a lot by piracy. People who see piracy as always or typically morally fine, or even as a moral good, are often too influenced by their desire for free shit to be taken seriously.
It's like if an author works for years on a book, taking the risks involved to write the book, and getting it published for whatever price. Then someone takes a copy of the book, prints an infinite number of copies from it, and starts distributing those copies to people for free. This obviously fricks over the author that actually made the book because people who know about the the free copies are obviously going to be inclined to get those instead, and the author won't be compensated for their work. This is outrageous to most people, is a major reason why copyright laws exist, and will also make the author not want to make books in the future. Of course, this isn't how things happen in practice in the videogame market, but that's only because piracy isn't as widespread as it could be. In principle pirating is still morally wrong in a typical case, and the ideal is that people are compensated for their products.
(cont.)
There are cases where, say, another company years after a game releases buys the license to the series, but this isn't the typical game. Pirating isn't inherently justified, the burden of proof rests on the pirate to prove that they have a good reason for not compensating the creator(s) despite using the product. No, a group of people being a certain size with enough money isn't really a valid reason not to give compensation to the group of people/company that made the game. Morality doesn't become flipped upside down just because you're interacting with the wealthy. I've also seen anons say they pirate because of games going woke, but you really shouldn't be playing wokeshit in the first place.
That said, what anon individually pirates is ultimately inconsequential, and I don't really care if you pirate all your games while not caring about morality. I do think everyone should at the very least consider holding themselves to high standards though and attempt to follow them through (not that I always meet those standards either) in whatever they do.
Piracy is cool when you just own up to what it is: skirting a paywall to recieve a product without compensating the creators.
Playing word games and pleading for moral justifications is so fricking weak and takes all the rebelliousness out of it, because even after getting what you want, youre still hanging around soliciting approval and praise like the needy b***h you are.
Imagine Blackbeard trying to hit you with "when you think about it, Im actually the good guy, please consider the-" Christ, what, you have a conscience you need my help silencing? This guy's more of a homosexual than most of the office workers Ive ever met.
I do have a problem with pirates who won't shut up about piracy as though it was some kind of hobby or personal interest. Even worse if they try to morally justify their behavior instead of just acknowledging it's petty and inconsequential theft.
Trying to morally justify piracy is like trying to morally justify jaywalking. It's illegal but nobody who's an actual human being really gives a shit - especially not anyone on this website.
But it's not a crime either. You can get in trouble with the law for handing copies out (and even then it's extremely rare) but never for downloading them
You're not stealing the stuff you don't own.
That's why digital piracy doesn't feel as good.
Try robbing brick and mortar stores. Doing real bad shit. Knock old ladies down, steal their purses. Smash a few windows just cause you can. Oh girl you bad.
Pirates need be hunted down and killed by private military hired by Sony and other companies, for the glory of the corporations and for the continuation of profits.
Or maybe some people are just sick of false labels and gaslighting, not to mention corporations trying to rewrite the definition of words to suit them.
I participate in plenty of threads to hate on sony as a company, that doesn't magically mean that I like sony.
In a sense you should own that copy ad eternum or until it expired due to degradation; But since some corporations can't stand the idea of consumer ownership you get shit like GaaS and auth. server shutdowns/ deprecated copies.
At what point does something become piracy? If I download a game from Steam, but can't be assed to open Steam every time and just download a crack, is that piracy?
Sharing, file transfer, mods, playing offline, cheat engine, dumping and emulation, whatever. If you can do it without Big Brother being able to intervene, it's piracy.
No, Im not joking. This is the definition corporations and their paid shills are trying to push. Just look at that Denuvo fearmongering booklet if you want proof.
Not exactly. Its not stealing, its just using something without permission from "the owner". Its more like tresspassing.
Its not stealing, yet it is still not something morally correct.
One might think, this then should be morally fine for scammer developers, and it slightly is, but the moral obligatoon would also be to voice, report and accusse the homosexual with evidence so they get punished on legal grounds, so you can frick them on more than one way of the morality spectrum, because scammers deserve the rope. >ib4 where is the but
There is no but. Scammers should kill themselves NOW. Trasspassing is bad, but scammers should be round up and kill with stones.
Its still slightly bad to use something without permission, but who gives a shit when you can shit on a scammer.
Ultimately, whether or not you calling it "stealing" doesn't change shit. This whole argument is such a big fricking red herring, and I hate how vehemotely people argue this point like it actually means something. The point isn't whether or not your actions meet some technical definition of a word, the point is that you are obtaining something unlawfully from someone or some entity who has spent massive amounts of time and energy to create it. Leaving a haircut without paying may not involve you taking something physical, but you're still not paying for a service that you should have.
no matter how much you seethe
no one gets paid enough to buy all the shit they want and no one in their right mind is going to buy something without trying but a idiot
You are still being a dodgy motherfricker. The arguement this thread is based on is dogshit. I have made no other point besides that. If you refuse to actually address my post then I have no reason humoring your bullshit any further.
>Saying "piracy doesn't meet the technical definition of theft" is a pointless fricking arguement.
It's an absolutely critical part of the argument. Companies will literally condone actual theft if it meets their political agendas, but suddenly copying 1's and 0's is where they draw the line?
I don't see why this changes anything. Just because a company will be scummy and get away with whatever they can, I completely fail to see why whether or not you call piracy theft changes anything
That does negate my point at all. I don't care what other bullshit people try to pull, being this pendantic about the word itself doesn't change the action itself. This is still a bullshit argument. Godamn all you motherfrickers know how to do is deflect
It's about the principle of the thing. Me personally, I won't pirate a game unless I've already paid for it and want a backup for later use, or the game has to be abandonware. Companies treat this like they're being robbed at gunpoint. You cannot argue any moral wrongdoing from this. Some guy who pirates the latest Call of Duty is one thing, but telling me that I can't take my legally bought copy of Mario and make a copy for personal use (in case my console breaks down) makes no sense, and you know it.
>W-WELL JUST BUY ANOTHER NINTENDO
Why do that, when my PC emulates it fine? You're asking me to impose restrictions on myself for no reason. It is on you to justify these idiotic restrictions, it is not on me to justify ignoring them.
The problem is when they try to shift the definition so they consider it theft even if you paid for it. Like paying for a cable subscription, but you're called a thief for not watching the commercials. How is that fair?
That does negate my point at all. I don't care what other bullshit people try to pull, being this pendantic about the word itself doesn't change the action itself. This is still a bullshit argument. Godamn all you motherfrickers know how to do is deflect
>making a backup of a game you bought is theft because you're violating copy protection >not watching ads is theft because that's ad revenue being lost >sharing a game with a friend is theft because you deprived the company of a sale
IP/copyright is just a government backed cartel
Artificially control supply so the real price of things aren't upheld. Selling individual units of an infinite resource is evil. >but how do they make money?
Find other ways besides selling individual units. It's not even hard, loads of people nowadays are being paid for the service of being a creator of digital goods rather than the sale of digital goods.
You could take this as impetus to demand better of the state to give you more ownership rights (not you euros frick off) but instead you try to use it as justification to be a Black person
Morality is subjective, can we just skip the low quality philosphical debate and get to the point where we crusade against each other for not adhering to our own sets of morals?
just skip the moral shit and just say you want free shit. If I make games I'll make sure I'll earn every penny I can, even if I was already making millions. I made that shit and I want money for it just like you want free shit.
Some of us are glad to pay for the games, we just don't want to deal with idiotic hurdles like DRM or artificial scarcity. Like I'll pay for a copy of Breath of the Wild or Metroid Dread, but then I want to enjoy it on my PC at better resolutions. Why is this wrong? It's like saying that repairing your John Deere Tractor is theft. It makes no sense.
Today I will remind them
You are a peice of shit
>You are a peice of shit
imaging getting your personal morality from megacorp legal semantics LMFAO
Jesus pirated food
You are a vile, miserable little parasite. You contribute nothing to this world, yet you run your worthless mouth as if you mattered to anyone.
Robin Hood was hailed a hero.
bible also says that people in position of power are appointed by god.
An interesting point, but does this give them absolute power over you? Can they command you to jump to your death, or chop off your foot? Reasonably, their laws should make sense, and they should have the moral authority to enforce them. Copyright law is a very interesting beast that way. Does the government have the right to push a law that extends copyright for 500 years + the life of the author? They have no moral reason to do it, and it's pushed solely by greed and corporate lobbying.
Although, to play devil's advocate, downloading a game because you don't want to pay the dev is still a dick move. God might not get behind such an action. I guess it all comes down to your conscience. Me personally, there isn't an issue with pirating a game if you bought it already, or if you legally can't buy it due to it being abandonware. It really comes down to your motives. God isn't gonna act as the personal copyright enforcer because Super Pee Pee Brothers hasn't seen a storefront in 20 years, and you want to play it once or twice, and copies on the third hand market are 5000+ dollars, and might not even be legitimate.
He never says they were appointed to do good either, they are reflective of society.
I though about this. If you 'steal' from a bank you're not taking the bread out of the clerks mouths. If you 'steal' from corporation you don't hurt a soul. If you 'steal' a game with piracy the publisher doesn't even lose anything and the people who actually made the game have already been paid. Who's wellbeing is dimnished if you steal from a non-essential collective establishment?
Smaller gamedevs and studios require funds to continue making games, pirating said games reduces their income and will prevent them from making more. Of course, pirating games from large titles or publishers is the excetion
That's why Jesus said to steal from big businesses, not from literally anybody trying to make a living. You have to be selective in your stealing.
Smaller game devs will get their funds regardless
but do you really wanna support gays who make a game that lasts less than a hour and makes a shitty quake clone that rips other games off and calls it inspiration?
If the price is appropriate, there's nothing wrong with a game being short. 'he makes short games' is a stupid reason to think someone doesn't deserve to be paid
You'd think people would have learnt something from vampire survivors by this points, but no
Not him but what lesson did VS teach?
>Smaller gamedevs and studios require funds to continue making games
Frick you, don't make any games then. If you got to nickel and dime to that degree then you shouldn't be in the business.
>pirating said games reduces their income
thoroughly and completely debunked for years
This was my Econ profs position. If you pirate something you were never going to buy in the first place, no harm. If you pirate something you’d buy otherwise, the worlds a worse place.
It's also been proven that the more people that pirate your media the more people will buy it simply due to word of mouth. You simply need to make something worth pirating/buying.
It's not always like that, let's take this scenario for example
>Publisher pays developer a certain fixed amount of money to make a game.
>The game is considered good and gets good reviews.
>However, the game fails to sale enough copies, and a lot of people pirated it.
>Publisher says the game didn't do well so they're putting the franchise on hold and probably not working with said developer again
Maybe if everyone that pirated this game had bought it instead, the publisher would have considered the game a success, and would have continued to work with this developer to make further games.
You could say that it's okay, that it's not your problem, because you got to enjoy a good game without paying, but this would affect you (and the developers) since the game failing to sale enough copies means no sequels or further games from that developer.
But the publishers are already making these games shitty by usually forcing the developers to implement greedy monitization practices, so by buying them you're actively supporting the destruction of the sequels anyways, and thats not even getting into publishers forcing said sequels to be developed for the lowest common denominator.
All companies I supported gave me crap in return. Being blindly optimistic is no different than praying for an illness to go away.
You forgot the part where 99% of the people who pirated it would never have paid for it or bought it to play it in the first place. Also, games like Stellaris and Civ are highly pirated, yet the people who pirate those games generally are so impressed that they go on to actually purchase the next game or DLC from that company.
So in short you're moronic
So evading taxes is fine? What about stealing tax money as a politician? Pollution?
It's not only about the immediate consequences of your actions.
Taxes pay for roads. Banks pay for yachts.
taxes pay for banks, actually. the US government pretty much borrows every dollar it spends and uses every dollar of taxpayer money to repay that debt.
I don't pay taxes.
paid under the table, I walk or ride my second hand bought bike to work. I like in a house I built on land I don't own and nobody knows.
now you've posted it on here the atf will be gassing "your" house within the week i suspect.
Evading taxes is a moral duty since 99% of taxpayer money is squandered or embezzled.
isn't taxing people criminal anyways but it's legal since a paper says so
Society costs 20k a person a year. It’s insane that you think everything around you from schooling, roads, sewers, the army should cost 99% less than 20k.
Nobody is going to pay devs to make games if the games don't make money. So they might get paid for that game but then they're out of a job.
RIP Mark and Spencer
Lmao based Jesus
>t. sinner
keep coveting
Don't care, church and state are legally separated and the law is the law.
Can I also steal from the Church of England then?
im pirating a game as we speak but I don't agree with the attempt of justifying it. it is a crime and im okay with it
Show me the victim and what damages did they suffer.
you sound like victim trying to justify being a criminal because you're entitled to it lmao
You sound ESL
>entitled
anyone that uses this word is a grade a gaytard
Depends on the game. If it’s something the company doesn’t sell or support anymore, then there is no “victim.” If it’s something that just came out, then yes, you are stealing.
I got nothing against pirating as I’ve pirated a few games here and there…. I just don’t pretend it’s something it’s not.
>is morally fine
No one really cares about morals, anyone who pretends they do is a lying homosexual.
People only don't commit crimes because of the consequences that come with doing so, if there was no consequences "morals" would go out the window in seconds.
I care about morals, but ones I decided on myself. The rest, yeah, you're right about.
It isn't, what's hard is to get over the stockholn syndrome many gamers have been deeply entrenched in for years.
My brothers, arise and see your shackles. You are men, not prisoners!
Arise, brothers! And pirate all your favorite games
Yes and no.
For indie devs who have nothing and don't borrow money, you are hurting them. If everyone threw a dollar at an indie dev he could make a few thousands and launch a proper studio.
For big corporations, who do take loans and funding, they already had the money and now are working on paying it back and make excess profits on top of it. Pirating doesn't mean anything in that dynamic.
What sucks is that people bundle AAA and indies together.
kys piracy is always moral
restricting art and fun with money is israelite talk
>restricting art and fun
You aren't entitled to it though
if you make it and make it piratable i am
entitle shit is homosexual Black person logic
if I can get my hands on it it's mine
i do not care
why are there so many live service cosmetic wiener suckers on this site then?
people buy destiny expacs fartisraelite skins genshit ass gacha
your logic is sound but you will never convince third worlders
I do not care about morality. I will do as I please until there are consequences.
Animals and Black folk think the same way.
And? Why should I care? What negative effect will that have on my life?
these reddit-esque exploitables send me into a fit of irrational rage, even/especially if it's le based Ganker (formerly Ganker) opinion parroted
like that one REMAKES SUCK A Black person DICK based on simpsons
Just pirate shit or not who fricking cares this whole rationalization shit is gay. You're illegally downloading software you could (probably) otherwise pay for. No more, no less. If you can accept that go ahead, if you can't don't.
>trying to dubunk troony bait
I make $60/hr and still refuse to buy video games, I don't waste my money on toys just my time lol
What job gets you $60 an hour and did you need college for it
Oh noes.... not the billion dollar companies!
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you're right. it's copyright infringement which is a related, but different crime.
copyright doesn't exist
>If paying for games is not owning
It should be.
>Then pirating is not stealing
Maybe not technically (and note that there are many actions that aren't stealing which still aren't moral), but a person or group of people put (quite often) years of effort and resources into creating something, and they expected to be paid for it as compensation for someone having access to their product. They invested in something to get paid for it as a seller. If you don't want to pay for it, you can just not play the game, it's that simple. There's no way to verify that a large number of pirates wouldn't pay for the game otherwise if they weren't pirating, and in many cases piracy does effectively cost a dev money. The Dreamcast, for example, was hurt a lot by piracy. People who see piracy as always or typically morally fine, or even as a moral good, are often too influenced by their desire for free shit to be taken seriously.
It's like if an author works for years on a book, taking the risks involved to write the book, and getting it published for whatever price. Then someone takes a copy of the book, prints an infinite number of copies from it, and starts distributing those copies to people for free. This obviously fricks over the author that actually made the book because people who know about the the free copies are obviously going to be inclined to get those instead, and the author won't be compensated for their work. This is outrageous to most people, is a major reason why copyright laws exist, and will also make the author not want to make books in the future. Of course, this isn't how things happen in practice in the videogame market, but that's only because piracy isn't as widespread as it could be. In principle pirating is still morally wrong in a typical case, and the ideal is that people are compensated for their products.
(cont.)
There are cases where, say, another company years after a game releases buys the license to the series, but this isn't the typical game. Pirating isn't inherently justified, the burden of proof rests on the pirate to prove that they have a good reason for not compensating the creator(s) despite using the product. No, a group of people being a certain size with enough money isn't really a valid reason not to give compensation to the group of people/company that made the game. Morality doesn't become flipped upside down just because you're interacting with the wealthy. I've also seen anons say they pirate because of games going woke, but you really shouldn't be playing wokeshit in the first place.
That said, what anon individually pirates is ultimately inconsequential, and I don't really care if you pirate all your games while not caring about morality. I do think everyone should at the very least consider holding themselves to high standards though and attempt to follow them through (not that I always meet those standards either) in whatever they do.
Filesharing wouldn't be stealing even if paying for games was owning.
>if renting isn’t ownership then squatting on property you don’t own isn’t illegal
>food analogy
Squatting isn't theft. It's trespassing.
Piracy is cool when you just own up to what it is: skirting a paywall to recieve a product without compensating the creators.
Playing word games and pleading for moral justifications is so fricking weak and takes all the rebelliousness out of it, because even after getting what you want, youre still hanging around soliciting approval and praise like the needy b***h you are.
Imagine Blackbeard trying to hit you with "when you think about it, Im actually the good guy, please consider the-" Christ, what, you have a conscience you need my help silencing? This guy's more of a homosexual than most of the office workers Ive ever met.
Only morons say it's stealing. In a lot of cases pirating is perfectly legal too.
Imagine spending money on your hobbies
I don't have a problem with piracy.
I do have a problem with pirates who won't shut up about piracy as though it was some kind of hobby or personal interest. Even worse if they try to morally justify their behavior instead of just acknowledging it's petty and inconsequential theft.
but it's not theft
Fine. A petty and inconsequential crime, then.
Trying to morally justify piracy is like trying to morally justify jaywalking. It's illegal but nobody who's an actual human being really gives a shit - especially not anyone on this website.
But it's not a crime either. You can get in trouble with the law for handing copies out (and even then it's extremely rare) but never for downloading them
I own nothing
But I'm not happy.
Please somebody tell me what I'm doing wrong.
You're not stealing the stuff you don't own.
That's why digital piracy doesn't feel as good.
Try robbing brick and mortar stores. Doing real bad shit. Knock old ladies down, steal their purses. Smash a few windows just cause you can. Oh girl you bad.
It still is stealing, you dumb stinky pirates.
Pirates need be hunted down and killed by private military hired by Sony and other companies, for the glory of the corporations and for the continuation of profits.
stfu reddit
>piracy is theft, stop stealing!
keep seething, if i can steal it with no legal repercussions then i will.
If you feel the need to make a thread unprovoked to insist it's morally ok, you probably know in the back of your mind that it's not
if you feel the need to make such a post like this
you most likely are feeling guilt for doing literally nothing
And this is why you don't argue for piracy, you just commit it and enjoy. 🙂
Or maybe some people are just sick of false labels and gaslighting, not to mention corporations trying to rewrite the definition of words to suit them.
I participate in plenty of threads to hate on sony as a company, that doesn't magically mean that I like sony.
In a sense you should own that copy ad eternum or until it expired due to degradation; But since some corporations can't stand the idea of consumer ownership you get shit like GaaS and auth. server shutdowns/ deprecated copies.
At what point does something become piracy? If I download a game from Steam, but can't be assed to open Steam every time and just download a crack, is that piracy?
Sharing, file transfer, mods, playing offline, cheat engine, dumping and emulation, whatever. If you can do it without Big Brother being able to intervene, it's piracy.
No, Im not joking. This is the definition corporations and their paid shills are trying to push. Just look at that Denuvo fearmongering booklet if you want proof.
You support piracy of games because you don't want to buy it.
I support piracy because I have a deep hatred of Copyright Law and Disney.
We are not the same, frick Bono
Everything I do is morally right because it's me doing it.
I'm the good guy, because I'm me.
I'm the only real person.
Because I'm meeeeeeeeeee.
This but unironically
Not exactly. Its not stealing, its just using something without permission from "the owner". Its more like tresspassing.
Its not stealing, yet it is still not something morally correct.
One might think, this then should be morally fine for scammer developers, and it slightly is, but the moral obligatoon would also be to voice, report and accusse the homosexual with evidence so they get punished on legal grounds, so you can frick them on more than one way of the morality spectrum, because scammers deserve the rope.
>ib4 where is the but
There is no but. Scammers should kill themselves NOW. Trasspassing is bad, but scammers should be round up and kill with stones.
Its still slightly bad to use something without permission, but who gives a shit when you can shit on a scammer.
If video game companies don't want me to pirate their games, they should just give me the games for free.
If scamming victims don't want me to scam them, they should just give me all of their money.
It is not my fault that the world stubbornly refuses to acknowledge that I deserve everything.
I'm not the one who insists on making things so difficult.
Rules and laws only exist if you believe in them
Do whatever the frick you want
Ok Max, time for bed.
pirating isnt stealing even if paying for it was "owning"
copying something is not stealing
If I copied your DNA you’d be pretty mad.
That's what the Family Tree business scams are
Perfect, I’m on pretty much every site. Look forward to meeting my Arnold clone baby.
paying for games is just a tipping - essentially charity
you do that because you want and can afford that
Ultimately, whether or not you calling it "stealing" doesn't change shit. This whole argument is such a big fricking red herring, and I hate how vehemotely people argue this point like it actually means something. The point isn't whether or not your actions meet some technical definition of a word, the point is that you are obtaining something unlawfully from someone or some entity who has spent massive amounts of time and energy to create it. Leaving a haircut without paying may not involve you taking something physical, but you're still not paying for a service that you should have.
no matter how much you seethe
no one gets paid enough to buy all the shit they want and no one in their right mind is going to buy something without trying but a idiot
Nice job completely fricking ignoring my point. Saying "piracy doesn't meet the technical definition of theft" is a pointless fricking arguement.
And so is telling someone they should buy something they cannot afford or simply cannot buy anyways
You are still being a dodgy motherfricker. The arguement this thread is based on is dogshit. I have made no other point besides that. If you refuse to actually address my post then I have no reason humoring your bullshit any further.
Have a merry Christmas!
The dog pissing on the fire hydrant is a criminal so they said
>Saying "piracy doesn't meet the technical definition of theft" is a pointless fricking arguement.
It's an absolutely critical part of the argument. Companies will literally condone actual theft if it meets their political agendas, but suddenly copying 1's and 0's is where they draw the line?
I don't see why this changes anything. Just because a company will be scummy and get away with whatever they can, I completely fail to see why whether or not you call piracy theft changes anything
It's about the principle of the thing. Me personally, I won't pirate a game unless I've already paid for it and want a backup for later use, or the game has to be abandonware. Companies treat this like they're being robbed at gunpoint. You cannot argue any moral wrongdoing from this. Some guy who pirates the latest Call of Duty is one thing, but telling me that I can't take my legally bought copy of Mario and make a copy for personal use (in case my console breaks down) makes no sense, and you know it.
>W-WELL JUST BUY ANOTHER NINTENDO
Why do that, when my PC emulates it fine? You're asking me to impose restrictions on myself for no reason. It is on you to justify these idiotic restrictions, it is not on me to justify ignoring them.
The problem is when they try to shift the definition so they consider it theft even if you paid for it. Like paying for a cable subscription, but you're called a thief for not watching the commercials. How is that fair?
That does negate my point at all. I don't care what other bullshit people try to pull, being this pendantic about the word itself doesn't change the action itself. This is still a bullshit argument. Godamn all you motherfrickers know how to do is deflect
Paying once to rent a game until the owner decide to throw you out
vs
Squatting on a game until the law says you can legally own it
You should try some of the torrents which have a filesize of 666mb, lol. How's he doing that? Are any of you real?
>making a backup of a game you bought is theft because you're violating copy protection
>not watching ads is theft because that's ad revenue being lost
>sharing a game with a friend is theft because you deprived the company of a sale
THINK OF THE HECKIN 5 DOLLARS HE WASN'T GOING TO SPEND
IP/copyright is just a government backed cartel
Artificially control supply so the real price of things aren't upheld. Selling individual units of an infinite resource is evil.
>but how do they make money?
Find other ways besides selling individual units. It's not even hard, loads of people nowadays are being paid for the service of being a creator of digital goods rather than the sale of digital goods.
You could take this as impetus to demand better of the state to give you more ownership rights (not you euros frick off) but instead you try to use it as justification to be a Black person
You can do what you want, but don't act like such a gay about it
Morality is subjective, can we just skip the low quality philosphical debate and get to the point where we crusade against each other for not adhering to our own sets of morals?
just skip the moral shit and just say you want free shit. If I make games I'll make sure I'll earn every penny I can, even if I was already making millions. I made that shit and I want money for it just like you want free shit.
>Just admit you're a soulless shekel-pinching israelite like me!
>No, I'm not projecting!
Some of us are glad to pay for the games, we just don't want to deal with idiotic hurdles like DRM or artificial scarcity. Like I'll pay for a copy of Breath of the Wild or Metroid Dread, but then I want to enjoy it on my PC at better resolutions. Why is this wrong? It's like saying that repairing your John Deere Tractor is theft. It makes no sense.