It makes no sense.
Demon girls>moronic high school girls
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Why is SMT never as popular as Persona?
It makes no sense.
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nu-persona is popular because of like 3% of the game
Because Nintendo doesn’t include more exclusively deal.
Shin Megami Tensei is hard as frick, while persona is hard but not that hard
t. Haven't played neither
It shows. SMT is hard but not that hard, and Persona is brain dead easy.
Can confirm. I got throught persona 4 and 5 by unga bunga-ing everything, Shin Megami Tensei filtered my ass.
It has nothing to do with difficulty it has to do with Persona being part dating sim. homosexuals want to self insert and date all the cute anime girls. If SMT let you socialize with and marry the demons it would instantly gain popularity.
>If SMT let you socialize with and marry the demons it would instantly gain popularity.
anon, how dare you bring this up
cuz now I do want to marry the demons
Nocturne not letting me marry the Pixie was a massive disappointment.
This tbh I've played Nocturne once but have over 200 hours in eraMegaten because it lets me lick Pixies butthole in between dungeons.
Well no shit. Why the hell else would you play Persona?
The only difficult SMT is Strange Journey
people never unga on the old smt games? hitting "auto" and just turning on an anime on the other monitor is like the meta for classic smt
Persona 3 is harder than any SMT game I’ve played but that’s mainly because of the bullshit mechanics
It's not character driven, it's not even story driven that much, if they gave a story or development to those demons then there would be a higher opinion. It also doesnt help that the a demon with a story is just another copy that you have seen 8 times in other smt or Persona game.
Imagine if Nadja in smt 2 had been given an actual character arc instead like literally 5 minutes of screen time.
SMT is slightly harder and less story focused. It's also less of an escapist fantasy and more of just a fantasy.
Before Pokémon but adult.
Persona has the relatable modern high-school setting and the dating mechanics
Persona lets you date the waifus and it's a high school simulator. You can't date demon girls in SMT and you don't live out a high school fantasy.
The games target different audiences. SMT is targeted at people who focus more on the gameplay/demon customization elements for the most part. Depending on the SMT title like raidou/devil survivor/strange journey, theres a relatively smaller story focus compared to Persona and longer playtime attributed to combat. Persona builds on story and fleshing out characters for the audience. It lets you self insert (somewhat) with the silent protag and has a slice of life theme when not fighting. Persona hits ticks the boxes for a much larger audience than SMT games do. For example look at the following Fire Emblem had before awakening came out and let you date/have kids with characters. It was in that title/subsequent titles when fire emblem exploded in popularity by toning down tactical elements and amping up story/characters.
Demonio sexo
the ONLY reason i played persona (4) as a kid was because it looked like a high school anime
there is no way 12 year old me would ever have played something like nocturne
i assume the same is true for most persona fans
Modern Persona is a mix of baby's first VN and baby's first JRPG.
That's not even me shitting on the games, just being honest. I like the games but they're entry level gateway games.
The demon girls get fused away and are usually weak shitters.
You were playing it wrong. I carried my anahita all the game.
>The demon girls get fused away and are usually weak shitters.
Best demon in the game, coming through.
i never understood
I like how OP says it as if Persona doesn't have the same fricking exact demon girls. Of course the footgay has to be the moron to start the thread off.
To his point, demons are non-characters in 3 and 4 since there's no negotiations and you fight shadows.
Persona doesn't let you have 3 sexy demon girls fighting by your side at all times. It's shit.
Sadly, normies can't comprehend something better than their plantation.
I want to feed her my delicious fish
Is there a non-censored version?
Who's the artist?
She must've been eating a lot of fish, cause they aren't that thicc in game. Also I was Senri made it in.
this is an incredibly ironic thing to say while praising ANY atlas game
>look up pic on gelbooru
>no version with uncensored ass
Because SMT is a simple dungeon crawler. Persona is a dungeon crawler among many other things. Persona is popular because 90% of people find just dungeon crawling exceedingly boring. I like SMT, but it's not hard to see why people prefer Persona.
Honestly the reason I don't like Persona is because of all the school and social link crap. The dungeons get better each game, but I can't be assed to go through the in between.
Because it isn't an anime high school simulator where everyone sucks your dick.
persona is a dating sim for people too insecure to play dating sims.
Persona is a proper video game with the option to select a love interest at the end. It is not and has never been a dating dim, and the dating aspect is a the most minor part of the appeal.
Are dating sims and visual novels the same thing? Because if not then I have no idea how to differentiate them or heard a recommendation for a dating sim in my whole life, I just know that when I was a kid my mom bought a cd with hundreds of gba roms and inside there was a Love Hina game, I wonder if all dating sims are like that.
Dating sims focus ongetting the lover's affection
Visual novels focus on being a story telling device
>Are dating sims and visual novels the same thing?
Eh...I'm not an expert on the subject, but from what I know dating sims are a subset of visual novels.
For example, you could consider the Ace Attorney games to be visual novels but not dating sims.
>you could consider the Ace Attorney games to be visual novels but not dating sims.
I dont consider Ace Attorney games to be visual novels and im tired of people saying they are.
They have visual novel segments and point & click adventure segments, but the courtroom is usually the focus and that's purely visual novel.
Does a game having dialogue and portraits make them visual novels or make those parts a visual novel?
If it does that JUST to communicate dialog and maybe has one or two choices then it's just a choice of how to communicate dialog (e.g. Fire Emblem).
If there are a few supplementary bits of gameplay beyond simple dialog choices, or the entire game is like that, then it is a VN, or has VN segments.
Is movement a "supplementary bit of gameplay"? Is Edgeworth Investigations a visual novel?
Maybe it's an ignorant statement on my part, but I don't see why they wouldn't be. Granted, I've never actually played a "visual novel" so there's most likely a level of nuance that's a lost on me.
>Are WW2 games and FPS the same thing?
Dating sims have mechanics where you have to properly interact with a girl to get their affection. You're in an SMT thread so I know you're old enough to remember the flash game dating sims on newgrounds. Visual novels are just choose your own adventure novels but with pictures, not any actual game mechanics.
I wish the "dating sim" part of Persona actually was a dating sim, and not "do X number of cutscenes until number go up enough to get the dokidoki cutscene."
You should know anon that everyone calling persona a 'dating sim' has never actually played a dating sim.
But dating sims are still a subset of visual novels, right? Genuinely asking, not trying to be a smartass.
I wouldn't say so but I'm not really an expert. The only VNs I've played are Saya no Uta and SubaHibi.
no
you can have a non visual novel dating sim (they do exist)
its like if all games that involve shooting are fps's, which is obviously not the case, its just very common for dating sims to be visual novels.
Now that you mention it I do remember playing a flash Naruto dating sim, it sounds weird now but you played as Sakura and had to choose between Naruto, Sasuke or Lee. I think it was the second time in my life I saw hentai because it was all "have conversation and choose the proper answer" and suddenly they were fricking.
That’s because most dating sims are complete garbage.
It’s boring and uninteresting. Truly Persona without the heart or soul.
Sexo with pés
Lack of any interesting story or characters to care about, which is pretty important in long ass rpgs. Chaos vs order is not an interesting theme anymore honestly.
People like Persona because it lets them roleplay as a high school japanese student like in their animes.
For me, it's Peri
No one wants to play a creature collection game that pretty much demands you throw away your creatures every 30 minutes
Your brain on gatcha
???
Because most people are not 13 year old edgelords.
Also because the real world already has a bunch of dark depressing shit and people want to get away from that instead of wallowing in fake darkness catered to overpampered tweens.
>Because most people are not 13 year old edgelords
>persona is literally "power of friendship: the game"
No, it's actually "frick adults, we kids know better" the game.
Except it isn't lol. Most of your confidants outside school are adults.
>Persona is power of friendship the game
That's why it's popular duh. Did
your brain shut off while you were typing?
why the frick did you (you) me in on this moronic argument about why [oversimplification of persona] or [oversimplification of smt] is more childish and broad-appeal
smtv was good. Frick you
SMT V was my second favorite game in the series. Best game to just chill out and take in all the demons and demonology.
yeah it was a good game, frick the endgame tho.
>games require lots of grinding
>battles are often decided by rng
>demon talking is gimmicky at best and obnoxious at worst
>some bosses require you to completely remake your nahobiho's skills, requiring even more grinding to collect the necessary demon essences
>most of the game is spent running around in dungeons which leads to battles getting repetitive
the games just are not fun to a lot of people. doesn't help that SMTV was boring af too
Smt5 was the most fun Atlus RPG made in the last 10 years.
not it's not. it's extremely easy to over-level and completely ruin any sense of difficulty in the game. most of the boss fights are all gimmicky too that can be countered just by using attack shields.
T. played on normal.
>played on the intended difficulty
So....he is right?
>Play on pussy b***h mode
>Complain game is too easy
its was fun but yeah it gets abit stale thanks to the animations
>lots of grinding
Not for me, in fact almost no grinding for smt v
>changing mc skills
Have kept basically the same skills the whole time (except for adding when I got more skill spots), affinities are the things I’ve changed more, and even then only once
I’ll concede that the story isn’t any good, but I think in terms of gameplay/boss fights it’s great
>games require lots of grinding
>battles are often decided by rng
Anon ...
he's not talking about SMT 3, 4, 5, SJ, he's talking about the metric ton of other games in the series where, yeah, RNG is a huge factor. That's why most people, like I said earlier, just hit auto and wait because its better to save your MP and items for the boss, and just use healing magic at the most during dungeons.
require lots of grinding
RPGs haven't required a player to grind in 30+ years. Name one non-NES/SNES RPG where you honest to God had to grind to beat it.
Dragon Quest XI on Draconian.
SMT games are made to make you rage. They have huge ass old school dungeons with many levels, teleporters, trapped tiles and so on. Save points are rare and few on between, and the demons you try to talk to will just try to frick you over. If you've ever played a Persona 3-5 before playing SMT, you will probably give up after you lose your first fight. It's best you never even touch the series because it will make you cry and rage like a b***h. On the hindsight, if you manage to beat SMT1, which is hardest game in the franchise, you will be able to beat any subsequent game.
I played P4 and P5 before touching any SMT. I still got through 4A fine, even came to like its systems better than Persona. Don't like 5 as much though, smirking was more fun than its replacement and instant death being totally neutered in the service of the smirk replacement mechanic wasn't very fun.
Because the name "Shin Megami Tensei" makes it not very appealing to non-weebs that would actually find the game entertaining, while weebs would gravitate more towards the style of Persona.
This. I totally ignored this series because of the name. Thank you anons for shitting on SMT V, that made me to get the game and fall in love with the series. Xenoblade on Wii was the first JRPG that I liked. Then I slowly started to tolerate animeshit in vidya. Now it’s turning to my favourite genre.
>Thank you anons for shitting on SMT V, that made me to get the game
I'm very confused here. Is this an "Always do the opposite of what Ganker says" situation?
Yes. I spent years ago a lot of time in Ganker also and that tactic made me money pretty well.
Nice.
Ganker is full of morons with dogshit opinions so doing the opposite of what they say is generally a good idea.
If you liked SMT you should give Etrian Odyssey a try.
It's another JRPG series by Atlus, but this one is entirely focused on first person dungeon crawling, that's the whole appeal of the series and it's great.
I enjoy both smt and persona and I'd say overall persona is more fun if you only play it once and most people will play these games only once. Mainline SMT has better replay value since it's mostly just combat, now persona is a better experience since it's two games in one essentially but the story can only be experienced once and replaying it is a huge drag of skipping text and story bits and it sucks.
It didn't get a SoL anime with an English dub, fighting game spinoff, autistic gorillion hour LP by a then-popular gaming group, or Smash representation.
Persona is a lot more animey. That's it.
based
no social life simulator
frendless homosexuals who play purseowner are always hung up on redoing high school
I love feet so much
>Moirae Sisters
Best trio.
SMT has an autism check required to play it. Persona was the same way but for some reason Persona 5 is flashy enough that it doesn't matter now because they see flashy visuals and hear good music and stick with it. SMT simply doesn't have that same level of presentation to make people want to delve deeper.
I think Persona 5 just hit at the right time. 3 and 4 always got praise for its music but JRPGs were still niche at the time and both were released in the west when the PS2 was dying or dead. By the time P5 came out, JRPGs had grown in popularity, Atlus was releasing it on current consoles, and social media was no longer as fragmented as it once was.
That makes sense.
I think that the Persona 3 movie and the anime for 4 and Golden probably played into a bit too, people that didn't play the games could have watched those and then been on board to play Persona 5 when that came out. Which led to the increased word of mouth and then the presentation of the game does the rest.
Very good point. I haven't ventured outside of the games much, so I forgot about those.
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Demon girls will literally kill you and destroy your soul.
Good.
This will look so good once it gets ported to real systems.
lmao look at this gay, cannot bind a demon to his will, form a contract and forever mantain it with his own magnetite.
>Literally just wrecks everyone with nothing but his bare fricking hands
To be fair, it's hard to be as much of a chad as Demi-fiend
chunky monkey.
Worst alignment rep in the series from a game that only has bad alignment reps.
That's pretty impressive honestly.
>Worst alignment rep
Not when Walter exists.
Remember in Strange Journey where the Neutral Rep had an unshakable faith in humanity and wasn't a wilting wallflower?
I played this for the first time recently and went law. I immediately regretted my choice when he came back to the ship after the alignment lock. I wanted to join him.
Everyone was such a moron, Isabeau was indecisive from beginning to end, only takes a stand when she sees (you) coming up with a solution that she doesnt like, both Walter and Jonathan are shown and experience the logical ends of what their alignments are, but apparently they didnt learn a single thing from the dimensional travel, they were some weird adventures they had moments before they decided to die for a cause, and in the case of Walter, literally becoming a left hand.
Johnathon at least has internal consistency and he saw that the nuclear wasteland Tokyo seems to be on the path to redemption by the time they leave. Walter is a fricking idiot who, because he's so triggered by the red pills, decides he wants a hellscape world where demons just suck magnetite straight out of conscious peoples' brains with fricking straws.
>NO WE NEED A WORLD WHERE THE STRONG DECIDE WHAT'S RIGHT
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT BROUGHT TAYAMA TO POWER SHUT UP
Best Demon.
It's the name. Who in the westoid world wants to play Shingen Ningen Mitsubishi Dayo when you have jrpgs with more catchy names like Persona and Final Fantasy?
>Yaso Magatsuhi hits Isabeau with that mist
>It has a sever aphrodisiac effect on her.
Fujos are typically extremely thirsty.
it's thanks to ironic weebs
Kill your friends boyo.
I dunno, I CRIED playing Strange Journey in the Neutral Route. Must be shit taste of Americans in general.
because they are focused on gameplay rather than story, they are much harder than personas, mood of smt are also pretty depressing, lonely and nihilistic, while personas are completely 180 they may still have sad and fricked up stuff but most it's all about power of friendship and going on fun adventures with them also dating
god i love toes
Persona is easier and about highschool
asahi > isabeau
Why are girls in the post-apocalypse so cute
>Bland
>Is the reason why everything bad in the story happens, completely useless, pushes through moronic decisions in hopes that Nanashi fixes the problem("I know that our mentor and friend just died like 2 days ago, but we TOTALLY can defeat the skyscraper sized fire serpent with teleportation powers")
I have yet to play SMT 5, please tell me that the main girl is better than this.
She's a weird Stacy who honestly barely shows up, gets killed, gets brought back to life and joins your party as Amaterasu and gets the best healing/buff in the game then gives you a hug and leaves before the last boss fight. V haters hate her but I find her strangely on point considering the main character is Susano-O
It felt like they were building her up to turn on you if you choose neutral and you'd have to fight her at the end, but instead you just get literally fricking nothing as a final boss.
highschool setting is boring.
call me when they make an isekai smt.
SMT doesn't have a high school setting. Nocturne and SMTV are isekais.
You could argue SMTV being an isekai, but Demifiend doesn't go anywhere, it's just Tokyo itself that changes drastically.
Literally that's the exact same thing as what happened in V. Both games take place inside the Vortex World.
Yeah but in V you jump in-between timelines. In Nocturne you're in inverted Tokyo for the whole game.
Dude you don't jump in-between timelines in V and there's nothing to even make you think that. The entire game takes place 18 years after Armageddon in the Vortex World with the fake Tokyo being a hidden space where the last surviving humans are kept alive.
The fake Tokyo is in the real world where the rest of the world still lives.
That's not implied anywhere. Tokyo is protected by a barrier and it's likely humans can't escape it. Every human recreated by the miracle isn't real. Fake Tokyo is inside the Vortex World, in the real world Tokyo is likely just a crater.
>That's not implied anywhere.
It's implied by the other Bethel branches still operating in other regions of the world. It's only Tokyo that underwent the Conception according to Tsukuyomi.
>Fake Tokyo is inside the Vortex World, in the real world Tokyo is likely just a crater
No, the Vortex World is in the Expanse, aka Da'at. The fake Tokyo was recreated into the physical world where the old one used to be.
Yes the rest of the world is fine. The conception only removed Tokyo, which means in the real world it's gone. Fake Tokyo is presented like a mirage or an illusion masking over what it really looks like. As Tokyo fades, it's just returning to what it really is. No God can recreate a human heart and that's why all the humans he remain are essentially not real without him. It's like living a lie. When the barrier fails, the illusion fails.
how many real humans are in the fake tokyo anyway
They said 10 million were killed and remade. I don't think they said how many were born since then.
Enough so that demons are willing to strike in mass numbers constantly to pursue their other half and gain the power and potential to reshape the world as they choose fit.
There's the future Tokyo and past Tokyo that's still okay.
I was going to say SMT 1 but I don't know if going 30 years into the future counts for isekai purposes.
Does SMT If... count?
SMT 4 in the last third of the game
SMT 2 in the 50% mark
SMT 1 after coming out of the Diamond Dimension
SMT 3 after the prologue?
>no waifus/best waifu looks like a 9 year old
>actual difficulty
>esoteric themes (even if they're completely misused 90% of the time)
>no waifus
>best waifu looks like a 9 year old
SMT games bring literally nothing new to the table except shitty outdated combat
>No flashy colours to distract you from the fact that you're still playing a turn-based game somehow makes it more outdated than Persona
SMT's niche because it's more gameplay oriented with a more loose narrative that follows you around.
Persona's popular because it's more story oriented, has the Social Link aspect for that "choose your waifu" element, and 4 especially struck gold by easing up from 3's Melancholy into something far more Slice of Life and easygoing when (You) and your group weren't handling the dungeons.
Lack of waifus and difficult combat for average anon.
But Persona has both.
the protagonist in SMT V is a troony, people don't want to play as a he/she/they, they want to play as a chad dating tens of different hot chicks that's why they love Persona
Trannies hate him because he's explicitly male.
>YOUNG MAN
Post em
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Slimy.
Because it's focused on dungeon crawling, a niche game genre.
is sticking your tongue between a womans toes as good as it is in my mind?
Not really. I finally got to try it and it broke the entire fetish for me.
Reminds me of that one anon who tried his fart fetish with his girlfriend.
Hope she sharted in his face for having such an awful fetish.
And spacezin.
Holy shit, is that why he stopped drawing CBT? That's actually hilarious.
I can't for the live of mine fathom why someone would legitimately enjoy CBT. Testicle pain is absolutely terrible.
never act out your fetishes in reality if you want them to stay as good as they seem
SMT is largely boring, formulaic, and has excuse plots.
Persona scratches the lynchian itch of interacting with bizarro grotesques in a unity of place.
because they think great gameplay is enough to call it a finished game. this isn't true with a JRPG
Anyone here give a frick about Soul Hackers 2? I was mildly interested until they revealed that the complete edition would be 90 fricking bucks. Now I couldn't care less.
SH on the DS...or whatever 3DS/DS one it was on, was the first SMT game I beat, so yes.
I was interested until I saw the trailers.
It looks like a rejected Bamco anime vtuber jrpg.
Persona is for people that don't want to play rpgs
Because they do dumb shit like making their MC look like a girl instead of a badass and the games are too dumb and easy for babbies to feel accomplished.
Smt games are harder than 90% of jrpgs. You never played one.
I've played them. It's braindead and uses the same affinity shit hundreds of jrpgs use.
It functions entirely differently due to press turn. You never played them.
I played Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment and the story is fricking insane and fricked up. Are the other Personas like this as well?
Oh yeah, you should check them out.
because the anime community is full of moronic pedos who would rather fantasize about underage girls instead of hot legal demons