Why is still there no pokemon as cool as shadow?
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Why is still there no pokemon as cool as shadow?
Why is still there no pokemon as cool as shadow?
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AAAAAAIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEE
ULTRAAAA COMBOOOO
SHADOW NOOOOOOOO
Typical Sonamy fan.
Shadow BTFO, kid's the real ultimate lifeform
he's the coolest
Better question: what line did Pokemon cross to be forced onto a separate board that all the disparate places you can post Sonic on doesn't result in the same?
I bet the mods on Ganker seethe when someone decides to make the occasional Sonic X thread there because they can't TECHNICALLY do anything about it.
a sonic board would probably be a corpse. /sthg/ is mostly just coomer spam and serious sonic discussion threads on Ganker only pop up around once a week. iirc, /vp/ was an attempt at solving the problem that eventually resulted in /vg/. sonic threads never overrun Ganker to the point of unusability, and even if they did, we're post-moot now so the mods wouldnt care to do anything about it.
>If /vg/ was made first, this absolute garbage board wouldn’t be created
Cursed timeline
Nah, you highly underestimate how things would change if people could make their own threads about subjects instead of being clumped together trying to shout and shitpost over each other. The diversity of the franchise would ensure topical proliferation.
At least for awhile I feel like you'd see near-peak /mlp/ traffic and even when it dies down I don't think it'll be too inactive.
perhaps. i would still like a sonic board, i just dont feel like itll ever happen, as both of the autist boards were created because others were b***hing about their boards being overrun, not because fans of the series asked.
Mewtwo is cooler
It's funny how so few people seem to realize that Shadow is a blatant Mewtwo rip-off. Shadow's backstory is basically First Movie Mewtwo's
Knuckles is cooler
Zavok is cooler
Shadowgays are a poison on the Sonic fanbase. They worship the character symbolic of the dark ages while shitting on actual good games like Colors and they don't give a single frick about the classics either. Shadow 05 and Sonic 06 were such departures from the Genesis games that it's hard to believe it was the same franchise.
Pokemon thankfully never went through that kind of embarrassing phase.
Anon we have been in this embarrassing phase for like 4 generations now.
Pokemon never did anything like having a character wiener a gun and ride a motorcycle because kids asked them to do that. Not to mention the way Shadow 2005 was revealed was tone-deaf. At an award show meant to honor video game icons, they figuratively shot down their own legacy in a trailer. What exactly has Pokemon done that's even remotely comparable to something as shark jumping as this?
Shadow is fun
Shadow the Hedgehog is genuinely one of the most boring games ever created. There's a reason why it's only remembered for it's absolutely hilarious attempts at being cool and not the alternate paths approach they were trying to take.
They wanted you to play through the same missions over and over with some of the most dull and uninspired level design in the franchise.
Shadow is fun.
>I was a kid when I first played this game
ftfy
Even Pokemon at its worst is miles better than that game
>good
>Colors
Pick one.
Yes it's still the 2nd best 3D Sonic after Generations. Those two are the only ones that are consistently good the whole way through
Colors is boring as frick dude
It's half autorun cancer and half Mario At Home
the themes presented in sonic games are generally similar throughout the whole series pre-colors. the "dark ages" games are just the environmental themes of the 90s games given an darker 2000s twist, the core is still there and the storytelling is actually good if you dont play the dub. the gameplay kind of tanked after adventure 2 but lets be real pokemon isnt a series known for outstanding gameplay either.
Colors' plot is basically the same as Sonic 1 except replace woodland critters with space aliens. Colors had that same nature vs. technology theme from the classic games. It also has the same 'poppy' music and surrealistic locations. Only Adventure 1 and Heroes could be considered anything like the classics pre-Colors.
Literally everyone at the time knew the 2000s games were a departure from what the franchise was originally and now you've got people who grew up with those games trying to revise history by making those games they are biased towards look better.
You are braindamaged if you think Sonic 2006 is more like the classics than Colors. Ask any fan who was there in the early 90s and they'll point to Colors being more faithful rather than the Adventuregays who seek validation.
>Literally everyone at the time knew the 2000s games were a departure from what the franchise was originally
yes, because your average sonicgay is a developmentally stunted moron who cant grasp a message unless the main character says it to them really slowly and enunciates all their vowels, complete with bright sensory stimulating colors and exaggerated facial expressions. ill concede that colors does share the same themes as the classic games, and aesthetics wise is similar, but the difference is that the 90s games present themselves sincerely, which colors doesnt do. and every game after colors completely abandons the traditional sonic theming for more typical western styled storytelling. sonic 06 unironically has a closer intended message to sonic 1 than anything that came after colors. gameplay wise, neither colors or gens are close to the classics at all, and im not sure where this idea comes from, other than the fact that there's no "shitty friends" and that its 2d. the 90s games are incredibly mechanically deep, whereas colors and gens mostly consist of boosting along rows of grindrails in between homing attack chains, and monotonous slow blocky platforming in colors. the classic sonic physics in gens are also trash and arent as fun or fluid as the original games on the mega drive, or even the Dreamcast games.
Even tonally, Colors is closer to the classics than what ever the hell was going on in the mid to late 2000s. This notion that they were making fun of themselves constantly in Colors is flat out wrong. The jokes are just standard kids jokes that, sure, may not always land but it's false to claim they were meta outside of the copyright law line. You are confusing the Sonic twitter and Boom cartoon (which is really good btw) with the games. Even Generations, Lost World, and Forces never make jokes about the series. Also, how is Shadow to Black Knight even remotely like the classic games? Even SA2 is tonally and thematically different. Quite a jump from saving woodland animals from capture to government conspiracies and plotting revenge against all of humanity and then changing your mind at the last moment because you remembered what your friend with Space AIDS said.
People who actually grew up with the Genesis games don't ever perpetuate the lie that those games were a natural evolution, only the Adventure and Dark era fans do. I doubt you started in the early 90s with the classic games.
You're dense if you don't see the jump between the Genesis games and the 2000s 3D games in most regards. Even gameplay is mostly different. Only Adventure 1 and 2's speed levels are similar and even then that's only about 1/3rd of the game. Colors was liked because it was just one, solid gameplay style the whole way through.
Last thing, are you one of those fans that downplays the western influence in Sonic's character? He was designed specifically to appeal to Americans. Felix the Cat and Mickey Mouse-like design, villain is a Teddy Roosevelt look-alike. Not to mention, they literally released Sonic 1 in America first for that very reason and to this day, Japan doesn't care nearly as much about Sonic as the west does.
>This notion that they were making fun of themselves constantly in Colors is flat out wrong. The jokes are just standard kids jokes that, sure, may not always land but it's false to claim they were meta outside of the copyright law line.
i did not mention the word "meta". the cutscenes in colors are the definition of pointless and only serve to tell an unfunny joke and occasionally exposition. quit putting words in my mouth and moving goalposts.
>Even SA2 is tonally and thematically different.
tonally, yes. thematically, no. SA2 is about humanity attempting to play god and paying for it, shadow is a 2000s take on metal sonic, an imperfect clone of sonic, the natural ultimate lifeform.
>Last thing, are you one of those fans that downplays the western influence in Sonic's character?
no. YOU are one of those fans who downplays the eastern influence on the sonic franchise, because you hate japan. the very nature of sonics naturalist themes is extremely japanese, and not something you'd find in a western story, ever. sonic stories typically involve humanity (eggman, the president, gerald, duke of soleanna, merlina, etc) attempting to disturb the natural order of things and play god, and in the end, paying for it. whether that be via sonic or the ancient gods (kami) that they've enraged with their endeavors, and dooming their fellow man. its a reflection of the shinto beliefs that permeate japanese culture, even if many of them arent devout religious people. a western story would paint humanity as the victims of some higher power. sonic does not do this.
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actually, now that i think about it, this messaging is also extremely prevalent in pokemon as well. and its even more on the nose, and they repeat it every single game.
>accuses me of putting words in your mouth
>then claims I hate Japan
I never said that Sonic has no Japanese influence, I'm saying that Sonic has a heavy amount of western influence and it's arguably bigger than its eastern inspiration. Also, character design is absolutely not superficial lmao.
Eggman in the classic games isn't at all disturbing a god, that's shit that was brought on by the Adventure games. He was trying to industrialize and pollute the world while capturing all the inhabitants which once again is much closer to what Colors was doing.
Black Doom and Mephiles were just superpowerful beings trying to destroy the world where-as Eggman wanted to conquer it.
Let me ask, did you even start with the classic games, you never addressed that and it feels like you're letting your bias show here.
i started with sonic 1.
>Eggman in the classic games isn't at all disturbing a god
he is disrespecting nature. that was my point when i said "attempting to disturb the natural order of things". sonic is the personification of nature, and is the one to deal justice.
>which once again is much closer to what Colors was doing
i am aware. my issue with colors is not the core theming at hand, that is fine and is rather in line with classic sonic. its the way the story presents itself.
>Black Doom
black doom is an allegory for satan. in gerald's desperation to save his granddaughter, he made a deal with the devil and doomed the entire planet. he didnt want to let nature run its course and allow her to pass away peacefully.
>Mephiles
solaris' (and thus mephiles') anger is directed at the humans for attempting to take advantage of him. he destroys the world as judgement upon humanity for causing the schism (the splitting of iblis and mephiles). the lyrics for solaris phase 1 are in latin and detail this.
>I never said that Sonic has no Japanese influence, I'm saying that Sonic has a heavy amount of western influence and it's arguably bigger than its eastern inspiration. Also, character design is absolutely not superficial lmao.
sonic has far more eastern influence than western influence, and besides, i had just mentioned 2 inspirations from western religion, but nobody ever mentions THAT as a western influence. or hell, nobody even mentions the fricking DEATH EGG. its always some moronic trivia tidbit revealed in an interview from 20 years ago. yes, sonics character design is inspired by golden age cartoons but that does not mean the franchise's storytelling was based on them (or american media in general) as a whole. its a footnote. he's a japanese take on american culture, thats why he's "as free as the wind". this is the same trap so many fall into, thinking that taking inspiration from one thing means that the series should be a carbon copy of it.
>I started with Sonic 1
I have serious doubts that you're telling the truth
and you're saying it yourself. A Japanese take on American culture, therefore he's heavily western influenced. Explain again, why Sonic 1 released in America before it did Japan and why Sonic 2 and 3K were developed in America (with Yuji Naka and a couple of others there too)
Also, if your issue is how it presents itself, then shouldn't that logic be used against every other 3D game?
Sonic 3K presentation wise is way different than the 3D games, instead of cutscenes and dialogue shoved in your face, it's a story told through the game itself. That's kind of another reason why Colors was so beloved when it came out, because the story was straightforward and simple, like the Genesis days and no, the Japanese manual does not mean the games themselves had this SUPER DEEP story. Using that logic, just about any game has super deep lore. I also think you're looking too far into this. Head writer of SA2 literally said he didn't like Sonic much in the Genesis era.
Mephiles is a waste of a villain, he could've just gone back in time to fuse with Iblis but instead he dicks around with Shadow and wastes our time because Sonic 06's story is a gigantic shitheap.
>I have serious doubts that you're telling the truth
ok.
>and you're saying it yourself. A Japanese take on American culture, therefore he's heavily western influenced
that does not mean sonic uses western storytelling techniques. mother takes place IN america, that does not make it an american franchise, nor does it mean that the localization of mother 2 takes precedent over the original artists intent.
>Explain again, why Sonic 1 released in America before it did Japan
because they wanted the game to succeed there. that does not make it a western franchise, see above. also, the american release is literally less finished than the japanese release.
>why Sonic 2 and 3K were developed in America (with Yuji Naka and a couple of others there too)
those japanese staff members had to tard wrangle the american team immensely, when westerners were given full reign over a sonic game we got (or didnt) turds like sonic spinball or sonic xtreme.
>Also, if your issue is how it presents itself, then shouldn't that logic be used against every other 3D game?
no, because apart from shadow they present themselves fine.
>That's kind of another reason why Colors was so beloved when it came out, because the story was straightforward and simple
then they shouldnt have had cutscenes at all. a 3k styled story wouldve been better than stopping gameplay for pointless unfunny jokes and exposition dumps.
>the Japanese manual does not mean the games themselves had this SUPER DEEP story.
i never said they were deep. they "take themselves seriously", but are not dark or overly serious. its presented to you in earnest.
>Head writer of SA2 literally said he didn't like Sonic much in the Genesis era.
ok? having a personal preference does not equate to having a hatred of the other thing.
>Mephiles is a waste of a villain, he could've just gone back in time to fuse with Iblis
hurr durr, why doesnt sonic just go back in time and kill eggman!? this story is TERRIBLE!
>western storytelling techniques
what the frick are you on about? There is no Japanese exclusive secret to telling stories.
Most Japanese franchises released in Japan FIRST, Sonic didn't because that was the market they were chasing.
06 is the furthest thing from presenting itself well, the fact that you're even defending that games story is a red flag.
Skip the cutscenes in Colors, it's that easy. Now, granted this could be applied to other 3D games (except SA1 on DC) but they had bad gameplay so it was easier to criticize the plots that they wasted resources into making rather than a better game.
We can't say for certain what kind of writing the Genesis games would've had. There was no dialogue so they could've been jokey like Colors or serious business like 06. I figure it would be in line with the DIC cartoons which whether or not you want to admit it, are a big part of the franchise for a lot of people and shaped their perception of the character.
Maekawa expressed outright disinterest in the Genesis era, that's more than just a preference. He even said that "it didn't fit his character" which explains why Sonic was turned into a goody two-shoes shonen protagonist from 06 to Black Knight.
Your final whataboutism is hilarious because in 06 they imply that using Chaos Control they can time-travel at will and Mephiles is shown going forward into the future. He could've just fused with Iblis but chose not to because uhhhh reasons. Only Sonic CD ever used time travel as a plot device (and it was handled far better there) so your false equivalence doesn't hold any water.
>what the frick are you on about? There is no Japanese exclusive secret to telling stories.
already explained, sonic is not written like a western story.
>Most Japanese franchises released in Japan FIRST, Sonic didn't because that was the market they were chasing.
ok, doesnt mean anything.
>06 is the furthest thing from presenting itself well, the fact that you're even defending that games story is a red flag.
i was talking about actual game presentation. 06 presents itself fine, shadow is the one with presentation issues.
>Skip the cutscenes in Colors, it's that easy.
not the point
>I figure it would be in line with the DIC cartoons
you mean the ones SoJ had next to 0 involvement in and barely approved of? just because you grew up with it does not mean thats what it was supposed to be. adventure 1 was pre maekawa, thats likely the tone the classic games were going for.
>Maekawa expressed outright disinterest in the Genesis era, that's more than just a preference. He even said that "it didn't fit his character" which explains why Sonic was turned into a goody two-shoes shonen protagonist from 06 to Black Knight.
ok, he's still in character. sonic was never a smartass or disrespectful to his friends, it was only the dub that added that.
>Your final whataboutism is hilarious because in 06 they imply that using Chaos Control they can time-travel at will and Mephiles is shown going forward into the future. He could've just fused with Iblis but chose not to because uhhhh reasons. Only Sonic CD ever used time travel as a plot device (and it was handled far better there) so your false equivalence doesn't hold any water.
i was specifically talking about that. by your logic, the entire series is resting on a massive writing flaw since sonic shouldve just gone to the past with chaos control/the time stones and killed eggman.
I like the passion in this thread
Sonicgays are beyond autism.
I wish /vp/ had more nerds like that but the schizos we get are fetishists or mariotehplumbers latest identity.
cant believe hes been successfully trolling morons for over a decade. shits hilarious.
>Felix the Cat and Mickey Mouse-like design, villain is a Teddy Roosevelt look-alike. Not to mention, they literally released Sonic 1 in America first for that very reason and to this day, Japan doesn't care nearly as much about Sonic as the west does.
this is all superficial shit that people keep bringing up but has no real bearing on the actual storytelling and theming of the sonic franchise. if i make a piece of art, and it becomes more popular in another country than my own after being significantly changed by the publisher, does that mean that the intents i had when making that art are invalid? sonic is not a western franchise regardless of the region it is the most popular in.
>Shadow 05
>implying there’s another game called “Shadow the Hedgehog”
bump
Can we make a Chris-Chan thread out of whenever a Sonicgay comes here?
>gets btfo
>pulls the muh chris chan card
hes a bigger pokegay than he is a sonicgay.
I would've agreed if Ceruledge didn't exist.
Black Sonichu was created after Bill the scientist accidentally poured a can of cherry Cola into his DNA. He is capable of over 30 rotations a minute
Is this the least moderated board on the site? I can't believe this thread is still up.
Sonicgays. Enlighten me on this schizo.
He was very cool in his game Sonic Adventure 2. All versions of Shadow after that are actually [/spoiler]shadow androids.[/spoiler].
hes talking about me