Why is this game so negative? seriously, it’s just endless negative themes, it’s literally no fun allowed the game
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Why is this game so negative? seriously, its just endless negative themes, its literally no fun allowed the game
New to the cyberpunk genre?
Heh 🙂
Was there a happy ending in neuromancer?
Yeah, pretty much. Case got his nervous system fixed, then found some girl, married and had kids with her IIRC.
all the books in the trilogy have happy endings if i am not misremembering but it has been awhile since i read mona lisa overdrive.
Yeah and one could argue Case is actually dead and that is why he saw someone that looked just like him with a girl who look just liked Molly. Afterall, it's really weird Molly didn't end up with him.
"And that weird laugh he heard it again. He never did like that laugh."
This:
Go play Mario then you fricking manbaby.
Cyberpunk is meant to be dystopic you guber
Dystopia doesn't have to mean negative and hopeless from start to finish.
noooo it does, cyberpunk as a genre is defined as shitty people having shitty things happen to them and nothing else, and genres can never ever be subverted
Because humanity has lost its faith.
Fedora tip at me all you like, humanity needs religion. You can say "oh well Christianity is responsible for so much evil" but then look at the state of the world when everyone is left to their own devices. When you let everyone just live in their own little bubble of consumerism and materialism this is the end result. It doesn't even matter if God is real or not, if you even believe or not, you just need religion in your life and it only works if everyone else around you has that same religion and you always have that one thing to bond over and give you a reason to not be a selfish prick when you wake up in the morning.
Once you realize religion isnt real you cant just force yourself to start believing again. And it's not like society was better 1000 years ago when everyone believed.
>And it's not like society was better 1000 years ago when everyone believed
That's what people like you choose to believe because you're stuck in this era and you have to pretend it's the best time ever to be alive even though you're miserable.
You should see some of the torture methods from that time you blind fool
Millions of babies are murdered every year, they call it abortion because it sounds nicer than baby murder. Most common reason? "Oh it's not convenient for me right now to have a baby".
We can play this game all day. But it's pointless, you live in your box and refuse to acknowledge the existence of anything outside your box.
your box seems to be so tiny you dont even know what words mean and just make it up on the fly.
jesus fricking christ. its like reading a 14 year old try to reason morality. true horror is knowing moral midwits like yourself exist and share a speaking space with the rest of humanity
If you defend baby murder I have nothing else to say to you.
thank frick for that
what about the choice to not bring a baby into a hellhole. granted, idiots are going to do the deed without protection/proper safety nets. but we can't really do anything to police that people use protection and critical thinking. and culling those people, setting aside that monumental task, would only serve as a bandaid, because once we get comfortable, we settle back into the infrastructure.
i believe in killing cells that are fostered inside the individual, because these cells threaten the life of the vessel. you could argue that new generations build the new world, but what generation could build right from a world of chaos?
my answer: get your shit in order, organized, and set yourself up. find a partner, and if you feel like carrying your legacy, then do that. not everyone is ready, and a lot of the time, accidents, or improper moments happen. we should have the choice to preserve our own life, to an extent, no?
>what about the choice to not bring a baby into a hellhole
Oh you have that choice. Don't have sex. It's that simple. Killing a baby is not a valid solution to your poor choices in life.
I've indirectly addressed
>Don't have sex.
with
>idiots are going to do the deed without protection/proper safety nets.
fighting the battle against idiots is futile, so we should focus resource allocation on pushing people towards their own pursuits that can garner interest. this will generate a community that can keep people living a good life doing what they want.
i meant not to imply that the tiny margin of failure with protection is the cause of chaos.
only that people who forgo protection and/or development of safety nets, are the ones that should primarily consider not bringing a child into the world
lots of issues in society is due to broken families.
the hot topic of abortion is tangentially related to the fact that broken families produce broken people that want to break and hurt the society that they've come into. are they bad for not knowing any better? are they awful for committing crimes against a world with their origins fricked from the start?
>fighting the battle against idiots is futile, so we should focus resource allocation on pushing people towards their own pursuits that can garner interest. this will generate a community that can keep people living a good life doing what they want.
Except it doesn't. It breeds a generation of listless and hopeless do-nothings with no stake in the future.
>listless
no interests, let alone the ability to garner others' interests
>hopeless do-nothings
they don't have themselves sorted
>no stake in the future
again, meaning they are unorganized, and their pursuits do not garner interest
the world is about interest. such as your own things you like, and other things that you like. even when others like what you like, or choose to invest in your thing
the future is literally investment in interest
STEM is a supreme interest. these fields push technology, and humans are very interested in that, so we've built a part of society specifically about technology.
now THIS is reddit spacing
excuse me for wanting my walls of text readable.
anyways, i'd like to hear your input
here, il reformat it for you easily :
>listless
no interests, let alone the ability to garner others' interests
>hopeless do-nothings
they don't have themselves sorted
>no stake in the future
again, meaning they are unorganized, and their pursuits do not garner interest.
The world is about interest. such as your own things you like, and other things that you like. even when others like what you like, or choose to invest in your thing the future is literally investment in interest
STEM is a supreme interest. these fields push technology, and humans are very interested in that, so we've built a part of society specifically about technology.
i am flattered that you literally reposted my points without dumbing it down the usual Ganker way. i will take this as at least a small sign of respect that the original wording must be preserved. this validates my stream of conscious
i will say that format is up to preference, and being that i browse this board on a 16:9 display, i am not a fan of having to run my eyes the entire length of the screen just to read shit. i have considered either replacing my secondary monitor with a vertical one, for reading/writing, but it's on the backburner for now while i accrue more capital.
anyways, just wanted to thank you for trying to help my posts "fit in" but i will respectfully decline the convention of breaking my paragraphs up, and just do what i feel comfortable with.
Condoms fail and birth control fails too, but it works 99% of the time.
Acting as if that 1% is the norm is disingenuous and a lie.
if i had a choise i would force all christcucks to bang their heads against the church door for as long as they are awake
Ok.
Keep living as an atheist in an athetist society. I'm sure it'll turn out awesome. I mean, you can't pay your rent or get a job or feed yourself but hey! At least you don't believe in sky daddy right?
religion is cancer on society. all you christcucks do is invite Black folk to your home and let Black folk frick your daughters because they are 'true good christians'. frick you, nasty racemixer
Yes christcucks fricked their slaves cause they told them that the magic book said they owned them
>religion is cancer on society
Then atheism is a nuke.
atheism is believing in one less god than you do.
You're missing the woods for the trees.
Human beings are not purely rational logical beings. You cannot build a functioning civilisation on the premise that everyone in it isn't a fricking selfish moron dunce. Because most of them are and you need religion to keep them all on the same page.
Nta, but word of law does that a whole lot better.
>law needs religion
No, it doesn’t. Code of Hammurabi is one of the most influential codes of law without a single god or religion needed.
>but word of law does that a whole lot better.
Does it?
Take a look around you at the world today and tell me we're better off without religion in our lives.
>Does it?
Yes. Lmao, at what point did word of law do anything worse than the church?
>at what point did word of law do anything worse than the church?
Why are you dodging the question.
Do you really think we're better off without religion when you look at the absolute state of the world today?
I literally answered it. “Yes”, there’s nothing the word of law did any worse than the church.
>“Yes”, there’s nothing the word of law did any worse than the church.
That's not the conversation we're having.
You're arguing against an imaginary person in your head.
Is the world better without religion?
I already said “Yes”. I don’t know what the frick else do you need.
>BUT THINGS BAD!
Things are always bad, you moron. You’re just another “MUH WEST HAS FALLEN BILLIONS MUST DIE”.
>Things are always bad
That's the lie you force yourself to believe so you don't have a nice day for living in this God forsaken era of history.
LMAO, right because humanity never struggled or starved or died under pointless wars under “god” or the church.
>War sometimes happened so we have to become self obsessed hedonists and only live for consumerism and materialism
>wars good
>degenerates bad
The standard christian is more concerned about his own principles than people dying in droves for political reasons. What a shocker.
>The standard christian is more concerned about his own principles than people dying in droves for political reasons.
And yet war still exists despite every western country essentially being 100% athetist.
Wow.
You wanna have a count of wars between then and now?
>Do you wanna compare 8000 years with 80 years
Any more moronic comments you wanna post in my thread?
I’m just saying, things are soooooooo bad now, that obviously things were better back then (they were not).
Now, instead of fighting for something they believed in, all wars are fought via proxy. Nobody on either side believes in anything they’re fighting for, they are either forced to do so, or did so for benefits.
But in the real world, people were used as fodder for land owner/feudal lord wars and other political issues. But yeah, “the people fought for what they believed in” and other actual diarrhea you feed yourself to feel better, zoomer lmao.
>war was bad then but it’s good now that nobody even knows what they’re fighting for
>people dying for feudal lords and monarchy = good
lmaooooooo
Feudal lords and monarchy is “now”, as in the present, like 2024?
Ukraine lost lol and you got your boosters for nothing
But people fought for what they “believed in” back then, of course. They didn’t die for other people like they do now, right???
People actually do know what they are fighting for today, fricking nobody knew why the frick they were fighting 100 years ago even.
Yep, they’re fighting for benefits, “free” college, and to spread further destabilization via death, poverty, disease, and misery in poor countries for rhe interests of their masters
I forgot when the peasants fought lard wars, how many benefits they got fighting for their masters.
Will genuinely never understand what kind of personality it takes to promote invading and destabilizing dozens of countries, countries that would have been fine without these invasions, and then destroying these places and condemning everyone in them to poverty
I genuinely will never ever understand what kind of person not only understands this but also promote and defends it
> Will genuinely never understand what kind of personality it takes to promote invading and destabilizing dozens of countries
Easy, the church has done it before, why wouldn’t governments?
The military isn’t known for recruiting the brightest.
Numbers are down, because even dumbass zoomers and normies nowadays, even with not knowing shit, even they know how evil the military is, and on top of that, there isn’t even a reward for it anymore. Like, arguably a military more openly evil than ever before, and your reward for pushing more evil, is nothing? Being homeless? PTSD? No house to show for? No college education because you’ll be ostracized and treated like shit by all college staff and students who also hate you?
If even a moron can understand these things just ask what kind of person still tries to defend them
Also, what’s your opinion on israelites and Palestine since we’re outraged at international incidents.
Nice try
I guess we’re not really that outraged then lol
Nice try x2
No you fricking moron, they are fighting for freedom and american way of life against oppression and tyranny, ww2 taught everyone how to brainwash population into hating the frick out of the other side. We are as close to your religious wars as we never was since actual crusades right now. The only difference is that state itself is a religion.
No shit
>religious wars
Funny because religious wars never had much in the way of dissent. What happened with US’s war in Vietnam?
>People actually do know what they are fighting for today
Do they?
One groups of slavs is invading another group of slavs to force them to join their large group of slavs. Where's the nuance I'm missing?
>we have gone too far in one direction so it means we have to go back to believing in fairy tales and beliving the most stupid fricking shit possible
Black and white, all or nothing thinking with no nuance is just npc thinking. The solution to rampant consumerism and hedonistic selfish behaviour is not religion. Religion doesnt actually solve those problems, it sweeps them under the rug, pretends they dont exist and creates new ones. You have to tackle these problems head on with better parenting
>You have to tackle these problems head on with better parenting
That's circular logic.
How is someone who's all fricked up and crippled by logic and materialsm supposed to teach their child how to not have that happen to them?
>How is someone who's all fricked up and crippled by logic and materialsm supposed to teach their child how to not have that happen to them?
Because some people are capable of rising above these things? Are you literally moronic? Not everyone is just a mindless NPC.
>Because some people are capable of rising above these things?
Ok, lets pretend that's true.
Most people AREN'T capable of rising above those things. That's why mental illness is so common these days. That's why suicide in youth is the highest since records began. That's why the number 1 killer of men under 45 is suicide and over 45 it's heart disease (from eating like shit your whole life and never exercising). Giddy for you if you can deal with all this, but most people can't so we need a system to help all those people and it's called religion and it worked for 8000+ years of known history until very recently when atheism started being pushed for ~~*~~*~~*~~*(some reason*~~*~~*~~*~~.
>and it worked for 8000+ years of known history
You mean the history where most people were miserable and died and lived as peasants starving, poor, with fricked up teeth, at a very young age? Life has gotten better for most people anon, suicide rates have only gone up so much in recent years and most of that has to do with people like YOU. yes you, who distract from the real issues and try to drag us all back to the stone age.
People in the past were too busy trying to stay alive long enough to eat to think too much about how fricking shitty there lives were.
>You mean the history where most people were miserable and died and lived as peasants starving, poor, with fricked up teeth, at a very young age?
So now you're just making shit up?
Come on, try reading a history book instead of parroting myths and old wives tales.
anon we literally have an insane amount of records into the life expectancies of people for the last several thousand years.
No, what you have are a bunch of babies dying in childhood and the people who made it to adulthood lived to be 60-80 like they do now.
Meanwhile in the real world
https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy
>fricked up teeth
Well now that you mention it even poor people’s teeth were better back in the day before fluoride, sugar, and corn syrup became the staple of every poverty stricken family in the west
You ever wonder why these things you mentioned that corrode health and also teeth in particular, which is always a sign of wealth and status, are so universally and commonly found in food and ingredients that are prominently distributed in low income neighborhoods and areas?
course you do. Well, even normies do. I’m wondering why redditors don’t ever ask this question either
Because they make food taste good and are cheap. People want to eat tasty things and not boiled fricking carrots even if later would be ten times better overall.
Fast food and cheap processed food doesn’t even taste good. They’re designed to be addictive, take those chemicals away and you’d realize how the food tastes like shit
>Fast food and cheap processed food doesn’t even taste good
massive cope
No shit sherlock, but we aren't comparing it to Michelin 3 star restaurants. Average person will not cook better than fastfood can provide, especially if you consider the amount of time and effort required.
A lot…like a lot. What?
>reddit spacing
Explains much.
>pointless comment
Ah, christcuck.
>reddit spacing
>nonsense banter
Ah, Rick and Morty enthusiast.
>THINGS BAD, OK? THEY JUST ARE
>heh checkmate atheist
Meds.
How is believing in a man made religion going to help rent prices and bills become affordable..?
>How is believing in a man made religion going to help rent prices and bills become affordable..?
When everyone within a society shares the same values, people are a lot more incentivised to treat each other fairly and not bleed each other dry. Especially when your religion forbids money lending which would eliminate the concept of landlords.
Fun fact: religious Serfs and peasants still had more vacation and off days than you do working anywhere; be it a blue collar job, white collar, or minimum wage.
>Once you realize religion isnt real
Says who?
Intelligent people
I'm pretty sure there have been thousands of religions throughout history, bro.
Disney and nintendo is the new religion goy
Yes but it's an empty religion.
All it preaches is self destruction. Because all they want is your money, which is just your time abstracted, which is just your life abstracted. They want to suck the life out of you and add it onto their own, they're demons.
>all they want is your money
The same is true of every church in existence, the world will only be free when the last banker is strangled with the entrails of the last priest
>The same is true of every church in existence
Wrong.
This is a lie sold to you by ~~*~~*(people*~~*~~ who want you to be atheist so you're easier to control.
How can you complain about athiests being slaves to israelites when you actually worship one
Jews and Zionists are two different things, anon. I suggest you look into that difference.
>The israelite I worship is different from those other israelites
Ok golem
Me when I don’t know what Zionism is
Comparing bankers and priests? All bankers are evil by default, but the only priests who you could call bad are those in the mega churches which is a bank in its own.
Religion is a necessary evil, i dont believe in it but humans are so fricking moronic that we need religion to function
>humanity
Just the masses really. If your character is so weak that you can’t become a good person on your own will and require an outside belief, then it is a “necessary evil” due to a large part of humanity being unable to be their own moral compass.
If everyone defines their own moral compass then it becomes meaningless and valueless. Your judgement on what makes a "good person" has been shaped from top to bottom by Christianity.
The real solution to this is genetically engineering people to not be moronic pieces of shit but people are too moronic to do that.
True, religion is a core human need but it's quite unique in that it's so much more needed for 100 iqs that can't handle ideas and needs direction the most
I mean I agree however religion never really went away, it just the anti theism sentiment created by malicious parties has created an urge to reject the old religions and be "enlightened" by logic etc. The issue is that all people have the part of their brain that needs to believe in something so that void will be filled by something else. Nowadays that void is filled by politics more often than not. It would explain why people are so aggressively dogmatic about their political beliefs nowadays, to the point that if you don't follow all of the tenets of their beliefs you will be socially destroyed and exiled from those spaces. It's not just that but also consumerism, materialism, and just the modern extreme fixation with wealth (you know, worshipping the dollar basically) will also try to fill that void.
so no, I think people haven't lost their faith technically speaking but people and society as a whole has been led astray from good ideals and moral groundwork and have been led to something very shallow and serves only others and not themselves.
Also before someone calls me a christcuck or something I've never been strongly religious and my perspectives tend to be from a biological standpoint. This seems fairly obvious to me as religion and belief in general is a core part of the human experience and mentality and you can't just decide "oh I don't believe in anything" as it's going against your biology, everyone believes in something whether they're aware of it or not.
I agree. We lost our way.
The game is based on Gnosticism. The hotel Johnny takes you to after he takes over the first time and became the man he was is named after the holy Gnostic text.
Just because it's not typical Christianity doesn't make it non-spiritual
How can you even think that religion can be evil. Religion literally gives you simple rules of life and prohibitions like don't suck dicks, and don't be a bad person so don't kill, don't steal. What kind of sick frick do you have to be to say that religion is bad
>Religion literally gives you simple rules of life like kill all the infidels
You know people can look up the real world history of Christianity? It's not cute or pleasant
>Believe what I believe or you'll burn in Hell for all eternity like everyone else who disagrees with me
Because most people abuse religion and use it as an excuse for their actions, not the reason for them. "I like God, so I have a get out of jail free card forever!"
Nice bait.
Faith and certainty that you are in the right is just as capable of blinding and leading people to commit acts of sin as it is capable of leading and elevating people, I think it has it's positives but you shouldn't look at it as this objective good or base human need.
At least look at it for what it is.
Gnosticism actually plays in quite a bit to CP2077 if you pay attention, which I think is really cool
The religion itself stresses that knowledge of God is more important than blind faith.
I can't wait to get the game on GOG in the next big sale.
A fricking lie we tell ourselves to be able to cope with reality or justify heinous acts. That's all. If life extension magically drops tomorrow as cheap as a candle bar everyone and their mother will be taking it, with the exception of the terminally sick and mentally ill. All the religious homosexuals will appear as for what they are: a bunch of cowards not ready to accept the closing chapter. Suddenly "God would want them to take it and live a pure life". You know I'm right.
True believer here.
The LAST thing I want is for church pews to be filled by moronic "cultural christians." The israelites devolved into that and look at what they've become. Don't treat the sincere worship of the uncreated God of the universe like some fricking self-help regimen. If you can't actually be filled up with the Holy Spirit, your pantomime of worship will disintegrate at a touch like the rest of this world of dust.
eat my ass, turbohomosexual
go read the source material and you'll see why
they did a great job with the themes, and its not the marvel happy ending people pretend they dont want.
if the game is to much, then i'll warn you now to never peak at the world of politics and ethics.
>why yes, cyberpunk 2077 which is notoriously one of the biggest broken and false promise releases of all time, and 2 years after release and dozens of patches ultimately worked out to a mediocre looter shooter, is actually le profound philosophical piece
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... adult game made for adults has a negative outlook. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
>adulthood means being le cynical and negative by default
Reddit is that way. Go back
Is it opposite day? Reddit has always been the happy rainbow wholesome advice place. Ganker is where shit gets real.
Theres a difference between moron or child level cynicism that goes nowhere and says nothing, and negativity that leads towards better life conditions and positive outcomes.
Being put in an environment where I am the least negative person was fun for me.
>why is a dystopian shithole full of negativity?!
Who chose to make the city a shithole? The devs and writers.
How do you NOT end up with a shithole when you hand all power to corporations? It doesn't make them more money to make your life less shit, so why would they ever do that?
The point is that cyber punk devs chose to make their game shitty and depressing. They could have made it fun, but they chose not to.
>The point is that cyber punk devs chose to make their game shitty and depressing.
They had to.
It's a world where the people have no power and the corporations have all the power. How do you spin that into a happy and joyful world?
And who wrote this world?
Fricking moron.
Ok, let me phrase it another way:
The only way you get you cyberpunk sci fi future with neon lights and blade arms is if you live in a very fricked up and evil society. In a happy and joyful society people would never turn to drugs, people would never engage with the materialism and consumerism neccessary to birth corporations big enough to develop cybernetics in the first place. You can't have a "happy" cyberpunk setting, it's a contradiction.
And let me rephrase it another way:
The devs chose to make a shitty depressing game, which is only more ironic because it’s notoriously one of the shittiest buggiest most broken games ever released.
Also. Nice Reddit spacing. No wonder you’re a moron.
So tell me then, how would YOU write a cyberpunk setting where everyone was happy and it was all good times and carefree adventure? How would you make that make logical sense in your universe?
When you put it like that, I simply wouldn’t. Why would I want to make a shitty depressing game?
THEN WHY DID YOU EVEN PLAY CYBERPUNK 2077?!
Because it was not advertised as a shitty depressing game. That’s like asking why someone who got robbed got robbed.
Maybe go back? You’d probably get more upvotes where you came from.
Yeah, I don't get his point anymore either.
Did you watch the trailer where Reeves appear? I think it was the one on E3. You literally get betrayed and then killed with your body thrown in a big open dumpster. Also the cyberpunk genre like the other anon said was always like that. Anon, I'm sorry, but you are the one making the mistake here. Should've done your research by simply knowing that how the genre usually is.
You ever wonder about how all these games and movies and shows over the years that had problems during their development or came out shitty, broken, unfinished, they all have one thing in common: whatever world or setting they portrayed, it was shit?
Almost like studio passion evaporates when the product you’re making is peddling garbage.
Easy.
Some stories are sad and depressing and that's ok. Don't know why you are singling out Cyberpunk as if it invented tragedy.
I'm not saying this to mock you, but do you really have no guesses as tow hy people write tragic stories?
There’s a difference between a tragedy and mindless misery porn. One is tasteless trash.
One could argue CP's writing is poor and fails to be meaningful, but I don't think it was intended to just be misery porn.
Holy shit you're such a fricking homosexual it genuinely boggles the mind.
Go diddle a toddler, Nintendo fans like yourself are really into that
Go play some WoW if you need your pixar-tier fill. Phantom Liberty ending is lame, granted, but Cyberpunk overall is a dystopian shit, and the only good ending are either dying while punching way above your league and flee that shithole with your friends, if you have any.
Frick off you mopey gay.
Jesus Christ, the fact I can tell you're not trolling and legitimately hold this fricking stupid opinion makes me want to choke the life out of you with my bare god damn hands.
Frick you
>be able to modify yourself to become faster, stronger, durable and deadlier then any meat sack can ever be
>literally turn yourself into a walking terminator
>WAAAH why is the world such a big meanie 🙁
the real redpill is realizing night city would be one hell of a place to live. Certainly exiting compared to the boring and slow soft decline that is today
Imagine. Just imagine unironically defending the gameplay of cyber punk. Even at its “peak”, the gameplay just devolves to brain dead easy mode install on all enemies.
>the real redpill is realizing night city would be one hell of a place to live. Certainly exiting compared to the boring and slow soft decline that is today
Nope. Only Justin Bieber and Oprah could afford the cool shit, you'd be some dirt poor loser or at best a war veteran missing half your limbs with cheap shitty subscription-based prosthetics.
speak for yourself spineless normies. Its declared time and time again how enlistment in regular grunt contracts include combat implants from the get go. Which have been demonstrated to have flimsy firmware that you can override its in built company fail safes so they cant deactivate them. All of them encourage to take them as much as you can if you are proficient enough with the onset of cyberpsychosis pretty much the limiting factor.
On top of the regular corporation office drones and even gangs like maelstrom that openly demand borging out to even join them. While dishing out junk implants for free.
You redditors have really failed in your oh so horrible dystopia depiction when all I see is
>frick arasakas black and red color scheme looks so sleek on the faceplates
>maelstrom has style and moronic but violent enough to give a go bust or finish high ride
>militech is boring generic milindustry but they are the closest thing to a regular army
>hansen is based. If morons like Paco get in there everybody can join if they bring something to the table
etc. etc.
>accuses others of Reddit
>uses Reddit spacing
>unironically defends cyber punk in 2024
>heavily invested in the lore of a shit
Separating paragraphs with a single line is not reddit spacing you absolute election tourist. Reddit spacing is pic related.
>>>>>>>>>
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have a nice day.
>seething about your betters finding enjoyment from the setting and seeing the potential of a otherwise solid AAA game
it really makes you mad, does it? I take satisfaction from knowing how much it pisses you off
>Ganker is unironically defending cyber punk 2077
Great music, great city, great writing and moments, solid gameplay, solid characters, lots of clothes and cars, some good builds. Its far from the game it should have been and clearly suffered a lot during development but its still a good game.
>great music
Game is filled with literally who artists and fake game made songs by said literally who artists
>great city
LOL
>great writing and moments
The games main story is so dull that you can skip and spam past all major dialogue and you won’t really lose out on much
>solid characters
Jackie is killed off 3 seconds into the game as the only likable character and the rest are one dimensional buttholes
>lots of clothing and cars
The cars handle like shit and the clothes are designed like shit. Also lol at pretending quantity over quality is ever good
Piotr, it’s ok your game didn’t turn out that good.
You think your job at Walmart is bad now? In what planet would this change in a setting like cyberpunk, for anything but the worse? You’d still be poor except it’s ten times worse being poor now.
because that's the point of it, it's a story in a dystopian city where no one ever wins, and at the same time no one can afford to live a small and calm life either. if you don't enjoy the theme, then it's not for you, i guess
They shipped in a bunch of Californians to get the most bleak and deranged game possible. The tone of the anime is far better
when do we get real braindances?
>literally no fun allowed the game
What did he mean by this? As a player, you can have fun by creating OP builds. My netrunner+gunslinger combo is ridiculously fun
As a citizen, well there is enough crime, enough vr and drugs, and enough prostitutes and braindances to live a fun life
Ah yes, running around with 0 challenge and one shotting every single enemy you come across is peak gameplay
Its a powerfantasy game you moron. If you want a challenge set the difficulty to hard, or try a more engaging build.
If you have to set a game to the hardest difficulty to not one shot every enemy you come across it is not a good game
If you need ball crushing difficulty to enjoy a game I feel sorry for you. Some games are easy and that's ok.
>the only two possible variation of gameplay difficulty is either ball crushing or install one shot all enemies
And we told you, choose a build that doesn't let you oneshot people if you don't want to do that.
>just don’t progress or level up at all in your progress based shooter, bro.
Its relatively challenging up until midgame but after that, every build pretty much rapes every enemy. You want to play a hard game, go play elden ring or some shit.
>the only hard game I can think of is Reddit ring
Man…just go back
Okay then, play battletoads without savestates if you feel like it.
Why are you in this thread b***hing about the game's difficulty? Nobody wants to have a hard time with cyberpunk. I'd rather have easy enemies in cyberpunk that I can headshot them and be on my way, than bullet spongy and level scaled enemies. Go bait in another thread.
>why is dystopia so negative
i dunno chief
why is this accusation always leveled at cyberpunk, but never at anything 40k related?
Just read pondsmiths source material cyberpunk is meant to be like that
40k is moronic, everyone knows 40k is moronic, its literally a joke series thats purposefully as edgy as possible
Yeah. It's basically a big sci-fi fascist wanker dumbed down to teenager levels of edgy. There's some good in it otherwise I wouldn't hear praise from people I trust relating to some books about it, but still the majority of the derivative works seem to be quite trashy.
But a nomad playthrough with Star ending is a happy ending.
>game made by potato Black person esg funded socialists is wank
I dont know how christcucks manage to come across as bigger pretentious lolcows than fedora tipping atheists but holy frick you guys are just completely insufferable. Nobody cares about your fairy tale delusions. Literally nobody. You sit around convincing yourself that things are ok and that your fantasies are reality because you cannot cope with reality. Thats all religion is, one big cope.
>Cant handle the fear of dying?
Dont worry, your consciousness will still exist in heaven.
>Cant handle the heartbreak of loved ones dying
Dont worry they will be in heavan too
>Cant handle the fact that some people seemingly get away with wronging you or others
Dont worry they will be judged in the afterlife
>Cant seem to deal with how horrible life is for some people. Why are children being born with cancer?
Dont worry its all gods plan goyim dont think too much about it.
Coping instead of actually confronting your fears and overcoming them to make this world a better place is the path of the NPC, which is what all christcucks are by definition. The reddit atheists might end up being right for the wrong reasons a lot of the time (contration pseudo intellectuals), but at the end of the day they are still right.
>admits he shares the views of redditor pseuds
Like i said, they are often right for the wrong reasons. People can be wrong for the right reasons and right for the wrong reasons. It does not matter what the content of the character is for the people who believe something to be true, all that matters is whether or not it is. This is very very basic gradeschool logic that your 3rd world shitstain burger education seems to have failed you on.
Ever heard of guilt by association/either with me or against me
>confronting your fears and overcoming them to make this world a better place
All you do is consume.
This is not true at all. I plant trees, flowers, I write, I spend a lot of time helping others psychologically as well as practically. I plan on producing media and doing more to help others in the future as well. What does that have to do with what I said at all though?
Religion is quite literally by definition just consuming what you are told and not questioning it.
>This is not true at all. I plant trees, flowers, I write, I spend a lot of time helping others psychologically as well as practically. I plan on producing media and doing more to help others in the future as well.
And none of it means anything when you die.
Only children live on. It's the only reason you're here, to pass the torch to the next generation.
>And none of it means anything when you die.
Sure it does, it matters to the friends and family who remember me, it matters to all the people whos life I made a difference in. You are a fricking moronic goycattle who cant think past his extremely primitive urge to breed like a rodent.
>Sure it does, it matters to the friends and family who remember me
For all of a week or a month after you die, and then they die, and then there's no one left. See the problem?
>And none of it means anything when you die.
Is he dead?
What do you mean? Fricking off from the city with Panam is one of the most optimistic endings I've seen in the genre
I just bought this for $5 today at a garage sale. Plz set expectations.
It’s a mediocre looter shooter. Don’t waste a single second on any side content as it’s Ubisoft tier filler. Just run through the main story without thinking too much.
It's a pretty solid game now that they've patched it a few times. While the main story is just kind of a means to the end on getting you to new content, the side stories are pretty cool
It's demoralization, NAFO funded
nihilist propaganda. It also speaks volumes that they make the Russians into violent lowlife organ harvesters, which is Russophobic.
Why are the polish (potato Black folk) hating on Russians (snow Black folk)?
Because they're insecure about being a fake county.
I found the final messages to be fairly uplifting
Cyberpunk stories are usually about the fall of man through surrender to technology and avarice so they're not meant to be uplifting but more a warning about the fragility of society when you let technology control too much of it.
99% of cyber punk side content:
- filler
- suicide
- drug addiction
- corruption
- betrayal
It’s like the devs hate anyone who explores their own game. The more side content you do, the shittier the game tries to make you feel.
No wonder the game released in an unplayable state for 2 years. Even the devs and publishers couldn’t give enough of a shit about a turd so negative.
Also, porn. There is so much porn and prostitution in this game. To the extent you can’t walk 5 steps in game without it. It’s worlds worse than hot coffee in San Andreas
>It’s worlds worse than hot coffee in San Andreas
You mean an improvement.
>The more side content you do, the shittier the game tries to make you feel.
>Panam's quests
>Scuba Diving with Judy
>Playing Laser tag with Rivers niece and nephew
>Kerry's quests about ending up less of a homosexual in the metaphorical sense
>that traveling monk that teaches you zen
Don't get me wrong, it's a dark genre so there's more bad than good, but saying it's all despair porn 24/7 is pretty fricking silly as well. I'm sure I'm missing some things with that list too
It's California 50 years into the future, what do you expect
Kind of cool ngl
This game was a laughing stock for two years straight everywhere including this very board as well. Now it’s being defended to the death? What the frick?
It's called patching, anon. A lot of the bug-breaking or annoying stuff isn't there anymore and people can now play for what the developers and designers intended. Is that hard to understand?
>games that actually improve post launch can have people who are happy at its new found quality
Redditors. When you ask questions like this, the answer is always Reddit.
Yes, my hair is pink. How did you guess?
Russia Ukraine war made Polish shills psychotic and desperate for more aoft power in NAFO, but they will fall to Russia like Ukraine has. Z
Patches helped a ton. As someone that beat it day one and someone playing though again as of last patch, it's night and day on several matters. Sure you still have some glitches and scuff, but the overall feel of movement is way better. The atmosphere that carried it in initial release now has reasonably solid mechanics to help back things up, even if hacking still feels like dogshit to me
Have you played the expansion? Is it good? I've read some people saying that it even improves the base game by a lot.
Haven't got to the expansion yet as I heard from a buddy the best time to start it is after all of the voodoo boys quests and I took a break to work more on my backlog first. I'll say that the revamped skills alone make things more engaging since most of the selections are actual skills now like throwing knives and bum rushing people, so things are more dynamic. AI is still a bit moronic so it can be cheesed easily but still leagues better than initial patch combat
>um trying to improve things at all is fascism, chud
that's why
It's a gigapozzed, goyslopmaxxed troonycore meme game for Black folk, troons and degenerate zoophiliac homosexual sinners.
While you may be correct, it’s still ironic to accuse others of being degenerates while browsing the video game board of Ganker
I never understood why redditgays worship cyberpunk to the point where they'd want it irl. You'd be living in a deep slum and either be a slave, die of starvation, die of some horrible disease or mutation from all the chemical dumping, or die from gang violence. You would not be Officer KD6-3.7, you would not be Deckard, you would be nothing
Nothing ever changes, friendo. Redditors worship anything negative and shitty, and it’s always been this way. Beyond them it’s people paid to promote shitty and negative things. So either way, both sides promoting stuff nobody actually likes aren’t anyone to be liked or trusted.
>Redditors worship anything negative and shitty, and it’s always been this way.
fricking kek
can't believe I stayed in this place for so long to actually read that drivel
frick you, man
Redditors are so developmentally devoid that their tiny brains think that they would be on the high end of said society. It’s the same reason they tend to worship people like musk, their brains are too fried to comprehend that they’d be living in the slums and cleaning shoes in that world
I'd love for you to point out anyone genuinely wishing to live in a cyberpunk hell world you fricking strawmanning homosexual lmao
Piss off, you fricking queer.
Indie "2deep4u" muh-depression game with a budget
"Life was always as shit as it is now" has got to be the single most evil cope ever invented.
You are correct.
agreed and it astounds me when people that I know personally that are smart say it. Sure, we have better medical treatments, but we also live lives that require said treatment more often
Because we have the analytical tools to discover them, goddamn.
analytic these nuts you unironic golem
It's generally what PK Dick wrote about. Go watch Blade Runner and tell me if you think it's a happy movie.
Anons itt I just hope you realize the people trying to defend slop and hedonism itt are getting paid to do so. Yes, like that’s their job. I would recommend not wasting your time to argue with someone getting paid to purposefully waste your time and spread rot and filth.
There is a mission where you repair a rollercoaster and your payment is a fun ride.
You can get into a fistfight with a clown for a grenade for a nose.
As a gay that built blunt, that shit was a highlight for me
Do hands count as blunt? Cause I thought Gorilla arms was the strongest thing in the game outside of hacking people and telling them to explode themselves.
Yes
Also you can throw people now with maxed blunt
I swore I'd try a different build on my next playthrough. But I might have to go Donkey Kong again
>I WANT
>ROOM SERVICE!!
Some performances in that movie are so bad, it's a tragedy.
>When everyone within a society shares the same values, people are a lot more incentivised to treat each other fairly and not bleed each other dry.
>Especially when your religion forbids money lending which would eliminate the concept of landlords.
A cursory glance at the history of islam disproves those two statements. If only, just look at the arabo-muslim slave trade.
>Game set in the genre all about the horrors of late stage capitalism when it begins to intersect with transhumanism
>Wh-Why game talk openly about bad things?
Are you actually moronic?
OP is a gay of the highest order. If you actually read the thread, you'll realize that it's even worse than you think right now.
Genuinely one of the biggest morons on the entire board, which is saying something
That's life in night city. No one goes there to die old
I wouldn't say the game is negative. The negative themes aren't celebrated. And human connection is idealized above the aspects of greed and corporatism.
Yeah, if anything the game is optimistic in how it shows that human connection and the will to do better can persist despite all the cruel forces that put us down and keep us apart.
That said, I still think the Devil ending is the best written one.
It's the point of the original cyberpunk setting. In the pen and paper rpg every campaign ends in the party dying. The phylosophy there is that the world is so fricked up, your goal in life is to grind enough money to die a legendary death. It's something like sci-fi vikings trying to die heroes for valhalla.
The genre is good, the pen and paper rpg is good, the anime was surprisingly good but the game is just dogshit. It had potential but they wasted it at every direction they did - unplayable launch state, rewritten story to incorporate a hollywood actor no one asked about, mediocre gameplay, souless environment (the worst offender for me, the bugs can be fixed, the story is bad but playable but even GTA San andreas feels more alive than cyberpunk for some reason). Also they should've made it third person for sure.
Because they don't know any other way to tell "le mature" story, next question
It's based in future Sodom and Gomorrah. Why would it be positive? It's one of the more honest pieces of media I've ever seen. It is where society is going morally and maybe even technologically to an extent. People like to say it criticizes capitalism but I see it more as a socially conservative criticism of unfettered human nature.
I think cp is pretty cool
you get a free government issued apartment in a services rich megabuilding thats low maintenance
Food is produced by robots and is cheap.
You get all the drugs you want
You can play vr games in your luxurious spacious apartment
Theres a gun range nearby, and a boxing ring with robot practice partners, why not take up a hobby
Travel is easy with all the public transport options and AI driven cars.
Theres ample employment opportunities
If your body sucks you can replace any part of it with superior implants and extend your bodys abilities past its natural lifecycle
Sex is plentiful and you dont have to care about std's or age of consent laws
this sounds like youve just conveniently forgotten what the ample employment opportunities available in the setting are.
this isnt a 3hour work week post-capitalist paradise situation were talking about here. all of these things cost money, including your internal organs. Your state mandated synthetic organs required for your ill-researched profession
dude just work as a clerk or something
Does CB77's setting has any sort of life extension tech?
It's not, not really
The thing about the story and basically the entire setting of cyberpunk is that it's about people and not the high concept scifi stuff, most of the world is very grounded in reality so there's not much abstraction going on either
So while V can't change the world or save themselves, they can still have a positive impact on the lives of people they know and it's always reciprocated from them as well. It's a game of silver linings.
Cyberpunk is unironically one of the best modern RPGs. The only people who hate it are people who fell for the le bugz meme, contrarians, and election tourists. Or people who wanted it to be like GTA I guess
Its unironically ps4 owners who got upset by the hype crashing down
you can tell by them not saying anything that implies them having played the game past 3 years and rely on the data they acquired at launch and repeating same old memes
They were right, though. The game was literally utter dogshit and nigh unplayable. It's embarrassing that some higher up at CDPR was convinced that it should be release in the first place. I would be furious too.
it was fine on pc
I know, but anon was talking about the PS4. It was disgustingly bad. Look it up.
yeah well, theres only so many times you can announce a delay for a game
I played it for like 100 hours on release month on PC and the worst bug I ever saw was item pickup tooltips staying in screen after I stopped looking at the item. Quicksave and reload fixed it every time. It was nowhere near unplayable on PC
The game will sometimes freeze in densely populated areas. But only for a couple seconds. That's what the game is like now.
Release version of the game had bugs coming out of the ass. Mobility glitches, flying cars, super-armor, sequence breaks, you name it.
It had none of those issues on PC. The biggest issue on launch was really mediocre gameplay
The game was filled with glitches.
>exploits you have to do very specific things to achieve
>the same thing as bugs impeding progress
As usual pass user is fricking moronic. You're that swede aqua avatargay aren't you
You can do the dash glitch by accident, just playing the game and shooting some thugs, police officers or corpos can cause it to trigger. It's completely feasible that you'd dash into slow-mo, and dash out of it again, triggering the glitch.
>The game will sometimes freeze in densely populated areas.
Problem with your computer not the game. If you namegays weren't downloading e-girl malware all the time you wouldn't have this problem.
I hope so. :^)
>le bugz meme
that wasn't meme, the game was released undercooked
Yes it was but it was no more buggy than any Bethesda game on launch. It was easily playable from start to finish on PC
Cyberpunk is a dsytopian genre.
>try to get a job
Nah, you get shot for that.
>Try to go to school
Nah you get killed for that.
>Try and hustle drugs
Nah, you get conned for that.
>Try and find god
Nah you get chipped for that
This game is unbelievably pessimistic.
Go leave
It's a fricking setting where cynicism won hard. It has to be negative. Because the world is founded and built atop exploitation after exploitation. The world is dead. The soul of the city is dead. Hope is dead. All you have to fight for with your neighbors also struggling to live another day are the cinders of your collective dreams.
Cyberpunk conversely doesn't have to be overbearingly defeatist. But it does have to be oppressively bleak and celebrate small victories in an unstoppable classiest society. The idea that you can't have happy endings in the setting is absurd, but they should be hard fought and it might be the last happy day of your life. That's the feeling you should feel every time you pick up the controller or sit at the table.
cdpr could make a sequel to cp and have it set in japan and make it be about some futuristic welfare state where everyones well off
then release at same day ubisoft pushes out their ac japan game
I like the game a lot, it's very comforting. The world I "feel" like I live in is much worse than the ones depicted in cyberpunk stories. I understand that many people live very nice and enjoyable lives. But I do not. When I see these stories it reminds me that no matter how horrible a fictional reality is it's still better than anything I experience. It makes me feel safe and loved.