I honestly still don't understand why they care so much for Linux. it's not like they're Red Hat or Canonical, their motivation is completely different. they're not an OS developer like the later they're an app and game developer, which is strange considering that almost all the money is in the server space, not desktop Linux.
They really just target generic "Linux" and don't try to make their own spin of it like Google's Android for example. yes they have SteamOS but it's just Arch with their own theming and a couple of wallpapers. and they're not comparable to all the other desktop app devs (Discord, Spotify etc), because Valve started way earlier than most of those. and they have a track record of telling parasitic companies to go frick themselves. one time was when Valve wanted to release free DLC to their games on Xbox but MS insisted that they charge for it. and recently when they told MS that they have no need for their reassurance promise of not monopolizing the game market.
Are Valve the good guys? or do they really dislike Microsoft that much?
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lol do the two online only games in picrel even work on linux?
In current year I'd be more surprised if they still worked on windows.
Are you fricking stupid
Ian would disagree with you.
Because it is irrelevant and resources spent towards developing and maintaining, where the real compounding costs are, Linux applications are better spent elsewhere.
I use Linux
in my router
Valve is a private company with like 400 employees
They have the highest average employee pay in the USA, and no clear work structure, you mostly do whatever you want and have to prove you're useful.
You basically have to be a genius computer programmer to work there and they all like Linux by default and have no israelite shareholders to tell them it doesn't make financial sense
Back in 2012 when they first released Steam for Linux it was a decision for the long term, not for profit next quarter, it's for decades in the future when Linux will eventually overtake Windows.
They've gotten almost every game working on Linux, and established a huge userbase of normalgays using Linux on Steam Deck, so it's off to a good start.
I think they just realize microsoft might try to lock down windows or frick it up even more
I looked it up it's google that has the highest average pay. Valve is pretty high at over 6 figures but a lot of other companies beat it out
Then again google has that number through dodgy use of contractors
>google has the highest average pay
I find that extremely hard to believe in any capacity.
It's probably the best thing about Valve in my opinion.
Instead of tardwrangling shareholders (that intend to sell next quarter) who do not understand the reasons why their video game corporations are popular in the first place (read: quality products that consumers enjoy that do not solely aim to milk them dry for cash + taking creative risks) and putting marketing people in charge, Valve is filled with programmers who pick work as they choose as you said.
That said, I'm glad Linux is getting the fantastic support that it's receiving as we post.
>Back in 2012 when they first released Steam for Linux it was a decision for the long term, not for profit next quarter, it's for decades in the future when Linux will eventually overtake Windows.
It wasn't that at all. It was because Microsoft tried killing all third party stores on Windows initiative. They didn't give a frick before that.
Yeah, they tried to make windows more like iOS back then.
Yup, Gaben went full bore on Linux about 10 years ago after they had a meeting with Microsoft
Anybody got a link to this?
MS offered to buy Valve because they said it had no future, hinting that they will eventually make their own PC storefront.
Did you save or archive any articles mentioning this?
I read it here. iirc they said that the meeting happened around or shortly before the time GFWL was a thing.
So circa 2006-07 before the year of endless summer? There should be some articles.
Windows 8 S mode
At some point, it was supposed to be the future of Windows, meaning Valve will have to put Steam in MS Store(and then pay like 30% for every 30% they make from sales)
Microsoft never did that
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/windows-10-s-restrictions-more-than-apps/
Yes they did you stupid street shitting dog-eating gaslighting pajeet
This is about windows 10 s which is from 2017 you dumbass and all you need to do to get around it is literally just enable outside applications in the windows store. It's the equivalent of claiming SteamOS is a closed ecosystem since it starts in steam mode.
10 S, a version of Windows without any of the legacy win32 support functionality, is still Microsoft's goal for the future. They were just forced to backtrack because they found out about Proton.
Quite a bit different from SteamOS which includes everything you need to run native Linux applications and win32 applications out of the box. You also don't have to actually unlock anything to install third-party software on the Deck, it is just switching the user session.
Microsoft might still push forward with their vision of Windows PCs as an Xbox that runs Office. They may not care even if it drops their user base from 29% to 19% if they can make more money on the users who remain.
Microsoft already has problems with TPM on windows 11 their users have been running into. It's going to be a long while before they can even get a glimpse of their vision of a closed garden. Browsing through the microsoft forums makes me glad I'm not tech support.
>This is about windows 10 s which is from 2017
The date is irrelevant. Mentioning windows 10s is to counter the argument "they never did that" when in fact, they did quite recently.
I'm only on Linux because of Gabe
Thanks Gabe for freeing me from Microshart claws, I will never go back
Same.
I wouldn't think of moving to Linux if the Steam Deck didn't exist as proof you can game on it.
>Proof
At any point in the previous 5 years or so you could have installed Ubuntu and tried for your self.
>Ubuntu
>snaps trouble, snaps backend is proprietary as per canonical, Amazon advertising trouble
No thanks.
Had no interest in Linux until I Microsoft started the big push to windows 10 as a minimum requirement. Linux still looks too annoying to install until I ran into the gaming distro I'm using now.
Nothing wrong with snaps and the Amazon thing was removed a very long time ago, more than 10 years now
>10 years ago
last time I remember that Ubuntu had that Amazon shortcut was in Ubuntu 18.04
>it's for decades in the future when Linux will eventually overtake Windows
Where the frick did this optimism come from
Everyone must have something to hope for anon. Otherwise life doesn't look so good.
statistics
I don't think you understand what that word means.
The fact that the true marketshare stats now are:
Linux 45%
Microsoft 29%
Apple 25%
Windows marketshare has already eroded significantly in every other market. PC gaming is just going to be the next one to fall.
You know how every Artist uses apple products and software, that's what valves wants to do with gaming using Linux, ofc they can't get boomer office workers to get into Linux cause there's 0 reason to do so their objective is to convert gamers to Linux.
None of this is actually enough. If you truly want a large install base for Linux, you have to compete with Microsoft in the prebuilt market directly. The PC market lives and dies by prebuilts. Only an extreme minority install their OS manually.
Valve is working with Google to get Steam easy to install on ChromeOS which is the #1 Linux distribution by a pretty large margin thanks to its being installed on mainstream prebuilt systems.
Steam Deck has also likely already made SteamOS 3 the #2 Linux distribution. It is already #1 on Steam by a pretty big margin.
Unfortunately other companies selling more traditional prebuilt hardware just aren't going to get on board with Linux because Microsoft has them by the balls. They make them sign contracts that has them paying the same amount of Microsoft regardless of what they install, so they just install Windows except on some high-end workstation hardware.
What's stopping Valve from grabbing cheap 8 core last gen Ryzens and GPUs and having the same hardware division making their Steam Decks sell pre-builts on an on-demand basis?
The fact that the Steam Deck is doing crazy sales volume, and they don't want to mess that up by having to juggle too many things.
The economics of a very tightly integrated system like the Deck which Valve is putting in massive bulk orders for, and the typical smaller batch OEM PC business are also very different. I don't think Valve want to try being Alienware without Dell.
I do think they're going to release more hardware. 2024 during the lead up to the Windows 10 End of Life is the right time for them to make a move. I can't see them expanding beyond 3 SKUs, but I could see them having 3 systems with more differentiating them.
they probably want to focus on a single sku for a while, fewer points of failure until things get more polished
Good point. The hardware business works best if you go slow and steady.
It's not just that. There's other big factors too. For starters, nearly every business uses either Windows or Mac. Windows completely dominates international business, and this is just not something that Valve has the infrastructure to go up against. It's not just that, there's also the issue of schools and libraries. Go to pretty much any public facility with a computer and most of it's gonna be Windows with the occasional Mac. Every single computer class teaches Windows. The reason Windows has achieved global dominance is because their software permeates throughout society. No matter how much money Valve has, it's practically impossible to go up against the literal decades' worth of conditioning Windows has put humanity through.
>there's also the issue of schools
Have you been in a School lately? A lot of them are using Chromebooks now. That is a big part of why it is the #1 desktop Linux distribution.
Business essentially uses systems as thin-clients for UNIX servers, Windows survives in that market mainly by inertia, but even that is changing now that all of Microsoft's relevant patents for that have expired.
I seriously doubt Windows is going to make it another decade. They are already under 30%, it is only a matter of time before they become irrelevant.
>under 30%
Yeah fricking right.
It's still crazy to me that people were gaslit into thinking a canadian frat society is some paramilitary faction.
When they're just a bunch a dudes that kick each other until they can name 3 cereals and go out to bars
The fricking Nazi party was just guys getting drunk until they decided to topple the government, murder their own people, and get their country wrecked by the West. Nobody is going to tolerate that kind of shit.
Deny reality all you want. Windows hasn't been on top in years. It will be under 25% in the not too distant future. Windows 12 and the Windows 10 end of life is going to be a disaster.
They weren't but whatever, I'd prefer if we didn't do weimar again.
Mostly because I actually don't care for nazism and don't have a strictly factional opposition to them.
>Windows 12
I'm going to be in a quilt with a mug of hot tea reading all the cries for tech support when this comes out.
12
Will it also require 12GB of RAM to boot, sir?
Minimum 16GB because the GUI is coded in electron and needs it's own separate container for each interface drawn and compiles a history of changes every time you attempt to tweak it and fail.
>GUI is coded in electron and needs it's own separate container for each interface drawn and compiles a history of changes every time you attempt to tweak it and fail
That's so genius! Truly bleeding edge technology. I'm so proud of how far technology has come.
Better sir, it will be fully cloud sir, you will own a terminal and be happy the way computers were intended to work.
i wanted to ask you why do you say such ignorant claims about history and then i realised that american education exists
>A lot of them are using Chromebooks now
this is a US phenomena, chromebooks are unheard of outside of NA and EU.
>all of Microsoft's relevant patents for that have expired.
Got a list of this stuff? This is more important news than anything else.
Patents only last 15 years, so anything OSes were doing back in the early 00s is now fair game. Windows has barely changed under the hood in that time other than their forced advertising malware crap. The 8.3 and MS long file name patents are long dead. So is anything related to win32. The Oracle vs Google decision also basically rendered all APIs able to be re-implemented for cross-compatibility since they can't be protected by copyright.
So now it is easier to list the patents that are still valid, which is basically just the media codec stuff. Which is why you'll play an 'unverified' or 'unsupported' status game on the Deck sometimes and get a test pattern.
Also why Proton GE makes those work, because it includes the patented codecs.
>Also why Proton GE makes those work, because it includes the patented codecs.
I'm surprised Microsoft still hasn't shut down or DMCAed glorious eggroll for including those codecs in proton.
I don't think he's in the US. Software patents and DMCA are basically just a US thing.
He's also a Redhat/IBM employee and they have a similar, potentially even stronger IP arsenal.
The last thing Microsoft wants to do is start a direct legal war with IBM. They're one of the only companies with the resources to really punch back.
>If you truly want a large install base for Linux, you have to compete with Microsoft in the prebuilt market directly.
This. The Steam Deck was a glimpse into this market. It's time to try Steam Machines again, they need to go around Microsoft's agreement with suppliers.
>They've gotten almost every game working on Linux
blatant lie
High IQ and foresight. 'Gamers' are going to be very upset to find out the next windows will be a cloud-only os. Linux is giving you a life-raft away from the turbo israelite cloud.
This, this why I think they made the steam deck, as a way to get people to use some linux. Its crazy how good playing on linux has got in the last five years. I used to spend hours tinkering with wine, now I can play most things. The only draw back are mods for bethdsa games, a lot of the the thrid party tools hardly work for it.
Which is weird, because the tools worked just fine 4 years ago, I remember modding skyrim and new vegas just fine on linux but now mo2 and vortex barely work unless you run them through lutris.
No there making cloud OS to complete with Google. Because right now chromebooks are taking over schools.
its simple, they don't have to pay royalties or licenses like you do on Windows. same reason why many enterprises use linux datacenters instead of windows datacenters. its more money saved in their pocket for same if not better performance. the only reason you stick with windows is if your software is vendor locked with them (CUDA for CAD for example).
Because they know Microsoft wants to lock windows down like Apple does Mac. It's preparation for when they try it.
This.
They even said so when they started the whole proton thing.
Linux users are too busy circlejerking and obsessing over windows to play games
plus someone that wants to play games wouldn’t use linux
Just played re2 remake today on my Linux machine. What have you played lately?
Im not moronic so I don’t play nucapcom trash or convince myself to use shitty operating systems
So you haven't played anything and just shitpost here all day
I don’t take pride in being a hamplanet shut in who obsesses over israeli entertainment like linuxtrannies, no
I’ll probably play some counter strike when I get home
We already established you are a shitposter. Don't have to say it again.
>I honestly still don't understand why they care so much for Linux.
Because choice is better for the consumers, as it generates competition, preventing monopolies.
Microwiener has been burning bridges and turning into Apple x Google more and more these past 15 years.
Linux provides more freedom, more customization options and also better security AND performance in many cases.
The fact that it's all free and also open-source not only provides much lower barrier of entry for casual users and developers alike, but also results transparency that people appreciate yet the competition seldom provides.
Creating their own ecosystem and supporting the FOS market also provides more control and more partners to Valve, freeing them from these mega corporation's reign.
>Are Valve the good guys?
Yes.
>or do they really dislike Microsoft that much?
Yes, part two.
And to be honest, unless you were born yesterday, you should loathe them as well.
>valve inventing gaymer NFTs and abandoning everything that tapers profits is ok because they did something that personally benefits me
lmao
Linux is only viable if all you do is consoom normalgay slop, old games and software that people with actual careers outside of IT need don’t work, and at best have a 20 year old open source alternative. you will seethe because nothing I’ve said is false
>old games and software that people with actual careers outside of IT need don’t work
False. Especially OLDER games have always worked way BETTER on Linux than on modern (post Vista) Windows operating systems. Long before Vulkan even became a thing, mind you.
Similarly you can indeed run majority of any and all regular software on modern Linux systems. That being said, if you are chained to a specific, potentially expensive, subscription based app suite for the living, you should reconsider your life's choices.
at the end of the day its all about money. think about how much money they saved using linux over bundling every Steam Deck with a windows key.
>or do they really dislike Microsoft that much?
Gabe is ex-Microsoft. You tell me.
Gabe doesnt trust microsoft which is extremely fair, and doesn’t like having to rely on an entity like windows. The problem with linux is that theres not a single linux version that works for most situations by itself the best solution currently is have windows ready to dual boot but you end up just using your dual boot os more anyways lol
>you end up just using your dual boot os more anyways lol
bullshit, I barely use it
Thats just you, but even needing a 2nd os at all when the first just doesn’t work with software is an issue
Valve supports linux to hedge their bets against M$ going full moron. If they can make it so that their own OS can emulate close to every Windows game then it doesn't matter if M$ try to turn Windows into a closed garden. Developers wouldn't need to do any optimising for Linux because Valve already handled it, so everything could be "ported" to Steam OS with no work required. It wouldn't surprise me if consistently getting burned by being the only system without exclusives causes M$ to over-correct and we start seeing stuff become Windows Store (timed) exclusive on PC. Probably the only reason they haven't gone that far (when they already have cross-purchasing between Xbawx and M$ store) is because everyone who tried (EA, Ubisoft, Epic etc) ate shit.
Fortunately the current mood at M$ seems to be that exclusives are dumb, so it's not likely to happen for now. When Phil retires we'll see if they try to fight $ony on exclusives or not, and if they do then they'll probably push the Windows Store more.
The mood at MS was dictated by developers hating UWP and having to backpeddle from their plans to close shit off like apple.
becuase trannies work there, like u!
valve doesn't need a distro, their only goal is having a free platform that can run windows software in case microsoft does something stupid. and they achieve that by extensively supporting the wine project
this. It is an additional layer of security for them, and they are willing to have it
Ever since microsoft flirted with the idea of an online game store Valve has been in Defcon 1 trying to wean themselves off of the PC market. Then they go running to Linux despite offer shit support before then. Really they should be partnering with graphic card companies to develop some competitor to DirectX, as that seems to be the choke point on PCs.
>what is vulkan
moron
>vulkan
and graphics cards or games flaunting their compatibility with it? Then it is no where near a threat to DirectX.
lmao troony is mad I destroyed their point. homosexual LMAO
considering vulkan was made after 2016 I assume all you play is troony games.
realistically, the only way you're going to move numbers to Linux is by focusing down the 3rd worlders. those motherfrickers only have GPUs that are stuck on directx or opengl. this isn't 2001 anymore, opengl won't cut it
English-only language on steam surveys shows a higher increase in linux adoption compared to worldwide, I think it was at 4% now. Although I have seen poles, russians, and spanish speakers using linux from desktops posted.
literally the only thing right now preventing some (under like 2% of all games, but massively over-represented in normalgay games) is shitty anti-cheat keeping out linux users. The driver shit is done with, as is everything else mostly. Go look at linux games that just have no way to make them work, you won't find many where the anti-cheat isn't the problem
games run better on vulkan
>just continue on a collision course on a dying, collapsing OS after Microsoft staff threatened you with UWP and tried to buy your company for peanuts, but ALSO try to force a new API on a hostile environment where others failed and get yourself mixed up with GPU israelites in the process
Brilliant. How do you not have a successful business?
they’re the only people who know or care that Microsoft and windows is basically a Black person cattle corral for tech illiterate goyim I.e they are the only dev team with old school nerds still in the company structure
Because literally every other company cannot possibly be bothered with actually trying at all, even though most of the ground work is both done FOR them, and free to use.
Other than a few niche interests like ML, there is absolutely no reason to use Linux.
Because the userbase is extremely small and would never justify the costs in investing into it in any way, especially since Windows is like what, 90% of the entire PC userbase with MacOS being something like 8% or 9% after that? Valve can take the hits in budget they want because they're effectively free to do what they want due to Steambux and Gabe, and Valve is also steeling their main source of money in case Microsoft ever goes full moron with Windows in some way so that they can easily pivot if they want to.
It's also an extremely tall order to even convince anyone not already technologically inclined to give Linux the time of day, and even with the Steam Deck they do everything in their power to avoid you having to go into desktop mode at all and actually interact with Linux itself. As it is Japan doesn't want to touch PC unless it's Sega or Capcom, so imagine trying to convince those on the fence to not only port it to Windows, but to Linux on top of that. Now imagine also telling this to those low end doujin game creators who live and die based on a few thousand sales to invest in the nichest of niche platforms.
Should be noted Valve are the ones who started the initiative to get modern games playing on MacOS.
They should have stuck with it, migrating as many games as possible to work for MacOS but chances are Apple told them to frick off. There were bonuses on Steam for running it on a Mac at one time like free games and free items that are worth a king's ransom now like earbuds.
>chances are Apple told them to frick off
Apple is insistent everyone use their proprietary version of Vulkan called Metal and nobody wants to, because it doesn't make financial sense. Apple also won't bundle the latest version of OpenGL to ensure devs use Metal instead. Valve refuses to play this stupid game, which is completely reasonable. Maybe one day Apple will get their heads out of their asses but unlikely
>replying to tripgays
I shiggy diggy
>even convince anyone not already technologically inclined to give Linux the time of day
not true. A ton of people who don't even know what an operating system is bought a steam deck, agreed that they don't want to go into desktop mode though kek I don't understand why they bought the thing at all
>A ton of people who don't even know what an operating system is bought a steam deck,
Sure, but in the Steam Deck's case you never need to touch the actual desktop. It's designed to essentially be avoided unless you're a power user. For all intents and purposes most people are buying a handheld rather than the PC.
oh yeah for sure, but sometimes they venture out and try to get a game not on steam to work on it. They usually get filtered but some are going to figure it out
Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, people are gonna wander over to EmuDeck, or maybe get free UI changes instead of paying Valve Steam Shekels, or grab the various plugins to make life infinitely better. It's definitely going to get people into Linux, but I don't think it's going to be a massive thing in terms of desktop use compared to just being on it in general because they're using it as a handheld.
>I honestly still don't understand why they care so much for Linux. it's not like they're Red Hat or Canonical, their motivation is completely different.
They're the only ones who have the biggest stake in telling Microsoft to frick off. Microsoft started this war when they wanted all apps to go through the Windows Store at the dawn of Windows 10. That's when the Steam Box initiative started, because of the prospect of Microsoft waking up and going full moron, banning steam from working on its own operating system.
>Windows 10
It was windows 8, and microsoft in specific and clear terms plainly stated "merge with us or we're going to make it impossible for you to do business"
That fell through with Windows 8 being a complete fricking failure, but that's never actually gone away. You've got things like Windows 10/11 S which are designed to make it inconvenient as all frick to use any software distributor that isn't microsoft.
Oh right, Windows 8 and the Games for Windows Live thing was the start, wasn't it
linux is good, valve is helping linux gaming, therefore valve is good. simple as
linux is shit. u are a troony. Simple as
Because they don't want to be reliant on microsoft
Steam 'eck was made to serve as a roundabout way to encourage linux adoption and proton use
because building a company centered around windows is stupid. at any moment microsoft can decide to cut you out through some scheme. that sort of thing can't happen on linux
GOG has linux native games
porting companies make linux and games
indie devs often make linux native games
so trannies make linux games? no shit moron
Based on how dodgy it is to run a game in Linux, let alone try to run one through Wine on Linux, I don't know why anyone would pay for a Linux game.
>Things people that don't use linux say
>Based on how dodgy it is to run a game in Linux
??? maybe if you have 80 iq. frankly, I'm not behind this push by some linux users to evangelize the OS and get more people using it. Everything is good now, gaming works great and you can do anything you can do on windows on it now, no problem. There is no need to try to bring in the average windows user (and by consequence, have to dumb down the operating system for people who want to click 1 button and have everything done for them)
Why would anyone use a botnet spyware ridden OS like Windows is beyond me. but you do you, dumbass.
forgive me that I lack the raw autistic power to spend more time on kernel version control, partition management, and what the frick is wrong with my sound driver than actually playing the game.
filtered, but really nobody cares, stay on windows, you are not needed as a linux user
dude shit works fine for like 80% of your games.
but hey if playing games is more important to you than not selling your soul to a corporation then no wonder that humanity is doomed.
it's more than 80%, the only real issues are the game just totally fricked by anti-cheat software, everything else is good. HOWEVER, you do need to do some tinkering sometimes, but the thing I don't understand is why, if that doesn't appeal to you as a general computer hobbyist, would you ever care about linux? I am going to extend an olive branch to windows users, the linux users going around trying to get everyone on linux with the promise that everything just works out of the box are full of shit. I would never recommend my mom or dad to use linux, I wouldn't even recommend my gamer friends to use it (a few I would say install on another partition and give it a try, at best). It's more of a case that if you're sick of windows, and you're confident in your computer skills, try out linux and you might end up being very happy with it. It's a lot more accessible now than it used to be 10 years ago, but even then, if a command line scares you, don't bother, why are you even wanting to get away from windows in the first place?
>t even then, if a command line scares you, don't bother, why are you even wanting to get away from windows in the first place?
maybe because even tech noobies care about their privacy and computing freedom? they just don't want their freedom in CLI form.
well, too bad then, that's just life. If you want your privacy and freedom, you are not going to be getting it from an OS with the masses as their target audience. If you're trying to say that linux should be just like windows minus the privacy invasion, then make your own distro or some shit, idk, but for linux users, it's a good thing that it's private and different than windows (which has gotten shittier with every new iteration)
Yes, ideally Linux should be just like Windows/Mac but fully open source and without telemetry, but this should be optional of course. I don't see why we can't have both the CLI and GUI. but to be fair KDE and gnome are both good enough now a days.
>but to be fair KDE and gnome are both good enough now a days.
Yes, I agree. I don't think you're fully off the mark but the biggest thing on my mind while reading your post is that people who care about computer privacy have already migrated, anyone that understands how bad windows is and cares is computer savy enough to be just fine on linux.
>people who care about computer privacy have already migrated
I sure did, but I still have a bitter taste in my mouth every time I have to inevitably use the CLI and forget that one command I used like 2 years ago.
maybe the GUI situation will get better someday...
>use the CLI and forget that one command I used like 2 years ago.
The stickynotes on KDE's taskbar saved me ass many times if I have to use terminal. Just copypaste from notes into terminal.
>What is PopOS
>What is Mint
>What is Arch with the "archinstall" helper library
Linux is stupidly easy to get running in 2023. Even Arch has been made baby mode.
Most distros even fixed the whole "AMD works but good luck getting your Nvidia GPU some drivers" issue.
>Most distros even fixed the whole "AMD works but good luck getting your Nvidia GPU some drivers" issue.
This is still an issue during nvidia updates. You just don't know if the update will break your shit and you have to figure out how to rollback to a previous driver from command-line.
Use the open source drivers instead of the proprietary ones you get directly from Nvidia/flatpak
Open source nvidia is still not ready for modern games. Most people playing on nvidia linux use proprietary drivers for a reason, it's just not on par with amd mesa.
Modern novidea GPUs lock core clock for non-signed drivers, so it's unplayably slow.
Nouveau can't do anything but display the desktop on any cards newer than Fermi, because nvidia are straight up Black folk
This happened recently though it will be a long time before we see any results for open source. Even with 10 million codemonkeys on a typewriter, it will take time.
>nvidia are straight up Black folk
>intellectual property bad
look who's talking, you commie piece of shit
>hardware
>intellectual property
this is your brain on nutrient bug paste
>commies mad when they're reminded they're not entitled to tamper with a company's intellectual property
like poetry
intellectual property has no scarcity, hence it is not property
Wtf is this appeal to morality, I am not selling my soul to anyone. I pirated their shitty OS and use it for my personal gain.
You are acting as an unpaid marketing arm by repeating corporate disinformation and pretending that Linux is really hard and it is difficult to get things to run on it.
yeah sure no backdoor was installed on the cpu by a deal made between amd and nvidia and the nsa
>Based on how dodgy it is to run a game in Linux
works on my machine, its either run native or run in proton on steam, or run the .sh from GOG or wherever
Quite literally the only issue I've had with gaming on linux recently has been the PCSX2 flatpak being moronic.
I tried Linux about 3-4 years ago and for some reason even after Proton did it's thing almost none of my games ran. Deep Rock Galactic got to the title screen, then crashed the second it got to anything with gameplay.
Only exception was Shadowrun Hong Kong. Ran perfectly, zero issues, even better than it did in Windows.
Might try again sometime, I was using Pop!OS not sure if that's what was causing problems. What OS does SteamDeck use, a custom one for that?
Steam Deck is using a customized APU from AMD. It runs an immutable version of Arch if that makes any sense.
Arch or Manjaro are the most stable.
Been using Linux for years and there is no reason to use anything else.
>Manjaro
STOP FRICKING UP THE AUR PLEASE
Endeavour > Manjaro in terms of babby's first Arch derivative.
>Based on how dodgy it is to run a game in Linux
It is?
because microsoft can effectively cripple their entire business by making stupid changes
and allows them to create their own dedicated steam machines/decks/deckards without paying license fees to microsoft and allows them to design it however they want
Works on my machine
>the reply to any forum request for help with a game crashing.
>"WAAAAH WHY WON'T MORE PEOPLE USE LINUX?"
at this point, in 2023, there is really no need for more user adoption of linux. If you want to use it, you use it and everything works, so there's no argument to be made that more people means more chances of things working: everything is good as it is. In other words, nobody gives a shit if you're too inept to use linux or not. If it's something that interests you, you'll pick it up, if not it's not like you're going to contribute to anything anyway, so you're irrelevant. Devs don't care about linux support? They never have, doesn't matter, linux users made it work regardless.
And this moronic attitude is why you'll be stuck in perpetuity just trying to "make it work" rather than improving and having the benefits of native hardware and software support. But hey I guess that's yhe price you have to pay in order to feel a false sense of superiority of people who don't have time to strap into their programmer socks and tardwrangle the system.
>you have to sell out to the botnet and change how everything works to cater to hordes or tech-illiterate morons!
Frick off winbabby. If people forced Windows to adopt Unix philosophy, make everything a file, etc. you'd also be throwing a tantrum.
This.
Freedom of choice > blandness of the majority being forced upon everyone
I'm just telling you how it is. Why are you seething? You're fine with just barely functioning and have an inflated ego, right? Why throw a tantrum as soon as anyone points it out?
>just telling you how it is
Your own personal vision is not how it is. You're just mad you can't just click 1 button to automagically install games off an ~~*appstore*~~. Do you also suck dick all day?
How am I wrong?
They are homosexual wincels with old nvidia cards, nvidia in linux don't support well 1600s series and below, Even de 2000s series has some problems, linux is for amd or new nvidia chips.
I'll switch to Loonix when Adobe stuff can finally be installed on it.
So never? Adobe are a bunch of c**ts anyways.
Adobe stuff can be used on Linux right now. Through things like https://github.com/LinSoftWin/Photoshop-CC2022-Linux and https://github.com/Fmstrat/winapps
Doesn't Adobe stuff work on Wine?
what a troonix users doing on Ganker? Shouldn't they go back to their Ganker containment board? Or is it just Valve shills in this thread?
M$ and Valve are both c**ts. Valve just had better marketing and more fricknuggets that fell for it.
They're both c**ts that inject themselves into things where they're not needed.
>M$, the company that goes around buying companies and ruining them at record speed like a mongol horde, is as bad as valve, a company that had one bad card game go breasts up
Why are fricknuggets so moronic?
It has nothing to do with caring about actual Linux autism.
They back Linux with Proton because it means that if MS suddenly locks down windows and only allows their own store on there (which was clearly the plan at least a version or two ago) then Steam has an out for their customers.
And now of course they also have the Steam Deck built out of that, but the original incentive was clearly to have an out.
>Windows installs IE by default
>Billions angry, gnashing of teeth so bad their company was nearly broke up
>Windows starts threatening to lock its operating system down, allow nobody to install third party apps
>Nobody cares
What changed?
in the latter they were attacking developers and not their customers directly, so no one was paying attention (cuz their main customers are sheep)
Because Valve realises that Windows is at a point where they could just decide only Microsoft "store" applications work and everyone would need to give them a 90% cut or just go bankrupt because there is no alternative.
Control. Promoting Linux as a first party make it so alternative devices are possible and customizable. The steamdeck works because it's Linux and they can control the OS. The alternatives are all pretty subpar primarily because the OS is Windows and they can't control it.
moron, it's because microsoft having a gaming monopoly on OSes would be awful for valve. valve wants linux to at least be somewhat feasible otherwise microsoft could eventually just wipe steam availability off the OS
obv im just baitin
>microsoft could eventually just wipe steam availability off the OS
laws should exist to prevent such things.
you have no idea what the law will be like in 10, 20 years.
just so I'm clear, I don't disagree with your assessment. I'm just saying that microsoft is the biggest monopoly in the world and they shouldn't be allowed to just say "you can't be on windows, go make your own computer :^)"
microsoft is losing its desktop monopoly to apple, but apple still cant compete on gaming, if they started developing a vulkan video driver maybe then microsoft would care
I'm shocked Apple's #1 priority isn't trying to make an in for all of the gaming software considering they already have the #2 priority of everyone: Adobe products
Apple is ran by idiots who think the only reason to use a computer is productivity software, but maybe they're optimists and just want all gamers to die
it's because they still have whatever it was that Steve Jobs drilled into their heads when he was around. Apple will eventually change in like a decade or two.
>Apple is ran by idiots
There's the answer.
Laws exist to MAKE that happen, grow up.
our government is bought and paid for by microsoft. this sony vs microsoft has also shown that Microsoft owns the United Kingdom, a simple fricking indirect threat of "ohh if you fine us, we won't be able to support your MS products over there anymore" was enough to get their shit prime minister to wrangle the tards at CMA to let the MS deal slide
We used to fear this as an inevitability around the time Windows 10 and Windows Store came out and they said they wanted to move literally all transactions onto it. No new microsoft software without the Store installed
But then the store was a colossal failure. It was worse than literally every one of its competitors, even EGS. There is no store on the market right now that would cause a hard drive crash due to it's extremely dodgy caching practices, except Microsoft Store. There is no store right now that would delete all of your programs and apps so badly that it would remove them from your account, other than the Microsoft Store.
If it weren't for the Game Pass, the store would have been phased out. that was the end of people worrying about Microsoft taking over the third party store space, because they were too dumbshit incompetent pajeets to make even the basic functionality of a store work.
You should migrate to Linux on principle of not wanting these street shitters making your operating system alone.
>You should migrate to Linux on principle of not wanting these street shitters making your operating system alone.
I don't disagree and I am a linux user, but the fact is the overwhelming majority of windows users do not give a shit. They want an OS that functions exactly as windows does.
>There is no store right now that would delete all of your programs and apps so badly that it would remove them from your account, other than the Microsoft Store.
On the linux side, that reminds me of the pajeet who runs Garuda Linux. He accidentally deleted everyone's home directory after pushing an update.
Pajeets need to be removed from Microsoft, they're ruining everything.
does desktop environment matter for gaming?
i want to use gnome
no,
I used to use i3 and never had any issues with sizing or workspaces or whatever. any 'normal' DE or WM should be fine.
gay, gnome is peak UX and productivity.
bad at reading, eh?
triggered at "normal DE"
gnome, kde, cinnamon, lxde, etc = normal DEs
i3, dwm = bare WMs = not normal DEs
sugar, eaglemode, any 3d DE = not normal DEs
normal DE = i expect video games would work without issue, save rare fluke incompatibilies
not normal DEs = I'd be more likely to expect weird issues with window management of video games, or other issues
whats your butthurt over, I don't even use i3 anymore like my first post clearly indicated.
relax I was just being moronic.
just use kde. a lot of hardcore linux users might grouse about DEs but the convenience of plasma with a solid GUI is absolutely fine.
ok, last time i tried kde i didnt have the best experience, the touchpad settings were bugged, i had to close and reopen the settings app to show the correct settings
this was on arch
>the touchpad settings
Laptop detected.
Use Gnome. Footgay was meant for mobile.
No, just use whatever you think looks coolest, it generally doesn't matter.
I recommend KDE over gnome simply because KDE doesn’t feel like it was designed for toddlers with fat fingers but for people who have used computers before. It’s a little buggier than gnome but it lets you customize things a lot more. Avoid KDE on wayland at all costs. It’s practically unusable on almost all machines I tried.
poorly made DE's can incur a latency or performance penalty.
I like LXDE because it uses 200MB on startup at idle. I challenge you to find a lighter DE than that, because you won't.
that said, I still use XFCE because it handles multiple monitors better
Depends, but ultimately doesn't matter.
You want your games to work and you don't have the brain cells to configure things, just copy what Valve did on the deck.
If you are using KDE on Xorg, make sure you disable compositing when playing games. The key combo is Alt Shift F12, or get the autocomposer kwin script so it automatically does it for fullscreen programs.
Not really, though some games anti-cheat won't work properly on Linux, so you might have to run a VM to play those games if you really want to.
I know Destiny 2 is one of the big ones IIRC.
I'm not saying that you can't choose what you want but most people hate gnome for a reason. It's basically made for tablets
Valve's dream is to destroy microsoft, probably
Because GayBen doesn't want to share profits with anyone and linux is free.
linux is so fukin gay bros goddamn computers were a mistake
I don't see how any of the three on the bottom have an illegitimate reason for using Linux.
>THE GOVERNMENT IS SPYING ON ME, THE CIA GLOWIES ARE IN MY WALLS
I look like this and say this
Proton is essential for game preservation which has always been an issue with Windows.
>Proton
>game preservation
>Steam
???
You do not need steam to use proton moron.
because gave like to play in his linux machine
shame he only plays a few
Because they are interested in securing a future for gaming that is not under the corporate control of microsoft.
The final straw was when microsoft tried to screw over steam with their windows store.
To prevent something like that from ever being possible again, freedom in linux is an absolute must to save the future of gaming.
It is not an investment into the now, it is an investment into the future, OUR FUTURE.
>if one shop replaces another... I lose
Why are gaymers this pathetic
Valve is the only thing standing between complete corporate dystopia for gaming, and it's still a losing war.
Valve knows M$ can pull the plug on steam at any day.
Because their business is centered on taking 30% of all PC game revenue and they're scared that MS might push them out of Windows with their MS shop or whatever that's called. So they're setting up plan B where they can leave Windows entirely if they end up having to fight Microsoft.
I'm sorry you thought this was about video games? It's just about money
Because Valve is the only ones trying to get away from microsofts monopoly, which is why they will release a new OS for PC gamers,.
At the announcement they will later reveal a partnership with sony, this will have sony releasing games on the steam OS, and Valve and sony will announce steam for the PS5.
All deck owners are alpha testers for valve, and its why they are putting so much effort in the DXVK suite to emulate dx and windows titels on linux, so the transition to Linux wil be seemless for gamers.
Hell the steam store is soon gonna be ran as a vm on windows anyways.
>Hell the steam store is soon gonna be ran as a vm on windows anyways.
what?
Valve and Sony getting together is impossible. Unless Gaben dies.
They basically run one of the only app stores on PCs. On Mobile app stores are run by the device manufacturer. In the context of PCs this would be Microsoft. By branching out and making their business immune to Microsoft anti competitive practices they are ensuring the future of their business.
I don't think Valve expected the Steam Deck to sell so well it raised the linux percentage on their own hardware surveys.
microsoft was threatening to go the apple route with iphone, so gaben finally stood up and allocated resources for linux, there are some employees at valve overseeing who to contract for linux work and what projects to prioritize etc. Over time, their efforts (and the community and other companies in general) has lead to a good chunk of games working, and usually within 10% the performance of windows and after you "catch up" with support it should be easier to keep up with new developments on windows side, though they are still working on getting support for things outside gaming, like HDR.
While I don't think it was in their original plans, after having a good enough compatibility for most games they made the move to work on the deck, which is killing 2 birds with 1 stone as you get some money and bigger linux usage out of it. And because other companies haven't bothered to properly support linux (if at all), that means anyone who decides to leave windows will almost always end up spending money on steam though, that's likely also the case on windows already, but it's more likely that someone will manage to compete against them on windows than on linux.
If they ever plan on release a steam deck 2 it only makes sense to go with linux again, you avoid the microsoft license fee that helps keep the prices low, you use the thing you've been spending money on anyway, and you grow a market you're likely to dominate due to goodwill from your contributions to it. All while being surprisingly not scummy in their approach, as the tools they worked on from the ground up were released as open source and can be used by others, including competitors.
Gabe worked an MS. He knows better. Nuff said.
*at
There's zero reason as a business you should use Windows unless you are forced to for vendor lock reasons.
Because they dont like Windows because is their competitor
How hard is to customize Linux to look like this?
ability to ctrl c ctrl v required
good to know
more time consuming than hard
ask them for the dot files and what you need to install
That's Fvwm, an old window manager.
You need to find the manual and read, I don't know about that one.
Pic related is done using KDE. As simple as going into system settings -> appearance and downloading themes and icons.
Link to the Qt theme? I can only find the GTK one.
You mean from the pic I posted? It's called Irixium. You can download the "window decoration" separately under said name if that's all you want.
are you on arch?
No, a fedora derivative called Nobara. Been more than a year into it so far and it had it's hiccups, but for games, it had no problems for my library.
Yo thanks my finely sliced bread irixium fricks
Post a screenshot.
I'd prefer not to share the contents of my folders, or the fact that the only thing on my desktop is a steam shortcut and I autohide the task bar.
Do you put your taskbar on the side, the top, or the bottom?
I'm still amazed that default windows 11 doesn't let you do this.
Left side
Depends on DE, some are more customizable than the others.
It's extremely easy.
install a platinum theme for XFCE
You start by getting some HRT
>the only game company that gives more than two shits for Linux
That was true maybe 5 years ago, when Volvo was pushing linux gaming. Today multiple companies are on board, with most game engines (beside Timmy's Unreal) offering easy linux builds, anticheat software devs adding linux support, and Wine in general being at the point where all AAA releases work on day 1.
valve/steam is just the only good thing left in video games these days
The dame pic of a Mac users and don't elaborate more, goyim homosexuals wincels cope more.
Because Value understands the importance in expanding their audience, as opposed to simply trying to pump money out of the single largest playerbase and ignore the rest.
They might also want to steer people away from Windows in general, so that they aren't so beholden to Microsoft in everything they do.
Windows Aero was peak UI design. Shame Linux has nothing like it.
There is a Windows 7 KDE theme. it's kinda shit tho.
If you want a proper Windows 7 Aero style, you need to rip and detail all the stats about it using vista style builder, the same software ricers used for custom styles on 7. Approximating it won't cut it if you want a close 1:1 copy. This is a lot of time-consuming work mind you.
https://www.vistastylebuilder.com/windows7.html
Wincels really belive ecelebs are behind linux fundation or the gnu free software fonudation? Stallman is a weird Chad who like e-girls and dislike troons, meanwhule your Microsoft, have a fonudation to queer boys in Canada.
they care about freedom
Did they care about freedom when they vendor locked Half-Life 2 into the Steam client?
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Anon this isn't healthy, you need to let go at some point
I'll let go when the Steam client let's go of trying to force me to signup to play Half-Life 2.
Just pirate it
I bet you could've bypassed the login screen by going into the file directory and clicking hl2.exe, since the desktop shortcut is usually an .exe for the launcher and not for the game itself.
Correct me if I'm wrong, ofc
that does not work for valve games without steam emulator, for many other games that works though
Because they are afraid of Microsoft banning Steam from Windows
they're just boomer developers you moron, holy shit
Since when do boomer coders care about anything other than Apple and Microsoft?
well they invented Linux and the whole internet you stupid c**t
can I install Linux and make it work EXACTLY like windows?
like having icons on my desktop that I can double click to open
like downloading something on the internet and it showing on my downloads folder
like pluging a new peripheral and it getting detected instantly
etc
>like having icons on my desktop that I can double click to open
yes
>like downloading something on the internet and it showing on my downloads folder
yes
>like pluging a new peripheral and it getting detected instantly
yes
linux mint works exacly like this out of the box.
>etc
depends on what that etc is
>linux mint works exacly like this out of the box.
You're never going to see gay flags on your taskbar
ok downloading it right now
goodbye windows
You'll come back, goy! You'll always come back. You'll never get VR working properly!
>You'll never get VR working properly!
I've been mocking VRtroons since day 1
if thats all windowns have left then I'm gone for good
there's also fortnight, the most popular game on Ganker according to windrones
the only thing stopping fortnite on linux is tim sweeney's hateboner for gaben
reminder
i don't know how he intends improve software he can't even own
He thinks corporations are democratic.
>Just vote to make it better!
And just like the land of the transfat, Windows is beyond salvation.
moron saying moronic things
timmy tencent is a moron
windows has no freedoms today to fight for
he has an agenda
windows vista was the first windows version to come with drm baked in
>Has a multi-month long meltdown over Windows 10 and the Microsoft Store
>Attempts to start a boycott against Windows 10 to stop them from locking it down and forcing people to use the store
>Valve launches Proton for literally the exact same reason
>"Windows 11 is good actually"
his contrarianism puts Ganker to shame
Someone needs to b***h slap some sense into that boomer. how does he expect to build a loyal user base if he keeps trying to frick everyone over?
Tencent won't let him go and do that.
Yes to all but your first question. Linux can never be made to work 100% exactly like windows. You're never going to see gay flags on your taskbar if you're on windows 10 home unless you put it there yourself.
i got weird pastel color flags instead, they look ugly as frick
Linux is a kernel
>like having icons on my desktop that I can double click to open
that's DE's responsibility
>like downloading something on the internet and it showing on my downloads folder
that's browser's responsibility
>like pluging a new peripheral and it getting detected instantly
that's... oh right, most drivers are kernel modules, so yes you can
>that's... oh right, most drivers are kernel modules, so yes you can
>plug in Switch controller
>gets detected
>plug in PS4/PS5 controllers
>gets detected
>plug in Xbone controller
>still gets detected
>plug in Wii U controller
>gets detected?!
>plug in PS1/PS2 controller via usb adapter
>gets detected, but as a generic controller
didn't expect that
however,
>plug in external touchpad
>doesn't get detected as per system settings so can't change any swipe settings, but works anyway
nani?!
Maybe it gets detected as a mouse? You can use dmesg and lsusb you get more info about it
>Maybe it gets detected as a mouse?
Nope, I can two-finger scroll up and down without moving the cursor like on a typical touchpad. I just don't have access to edit any settings.
Probably DE issue, open a bug for it
Touchpads are a bit fricky. 99% are made by wacom or pretend they're wacon, but in all these years wacom couldn't be assed to release documented co figuration interface. Every now and then they break their compatibility, which is the reason why you won't see good tablet support in major DEs: they usually aim to be highly reliable, but supporting 10 undocumented versions of wacoms api cannot be made reliable.
Linux Mint is the closest thing to a Windows-like experience right out of the box. Even runs Wine automatically when you double click .exe files in your file explorer. It's not perfect of course, Wine is not all powerful, but overall Linux Mint has the best defaults out of any Linux distro.
linux is for trannies
deck sold less than vita
only cuz its bulky, normies couldn't care less what OS it runs as long as it's actually portable.
deck was another of valves blunders yeah
It's really simple.
Pajeetsoft completely spooked Gaben.
You need to think of this from a purely financial perspective in the long term. Microsoft can very easily control the PC gaming market by making it a closed ecosystem and has made a lot of graphical features exclusive to their OS. By investing heavily on Linux, Valve can easily circumvent this and say "hey, if you hate how shitty Windows is nowadays, you can easily play all your games on Linux!". They hired a lot of programmers and continue to hire even more for Proton/WINE or Vulkan optimization, and Proton is really, REALLY important for Valve's continued 30% revenue on every game they sell. Imagine if 10 or 20 years from now, older games don't work on the newest Windows OS, and they need some kind of wrapper to work properly like with some games that are Windows XP only. Valve can easily say "just use Proton and it'll work" without going through PCGamingWiki and installing various patches that may have an expired download link. Valve wants to keep expanding their options since Steam is their biggest money maker and not go into any roadblocks, and investing in Linux makes the most sense in the long run.
>Microsoft can very easily control the PC gaming market by making it a closed ecosystem and has made a lot of graphical features exclusive to their OS
They already tried all that with the Microsoft Store. It didn't work. Doesn't mean they won't try again next time.
I think at some point Valve is going to ship proton with Windows games too.
how would that work? since it's for linux
There are projects to use wine on windows, so... Not that I'm saying they'll do that
there are certain components that work on windows such as the DirectX to Vulkan translation layer. idk how they perform but you can play DX12 games on Windows 7 with them or maybe squeeze more frames out of dx9 games if you're on a low end GPU
It was always a stepping stone to handhelds and vr-like devices.
Gabe got basically shittalked by Microsoft after they offered to buy valve a long time ago, and he's never let the grudge down since.
Money. They don't want to pay for windows licenses
>ubuntu 14.04
soul
I woke up today and played some counter-strike and various other nonpozzed DRM'd online vidya such as Elden Ring.
I took a sip from my beer (or coffee if that's you preferred drink) rest assured that my OS wasn't spying on me nor shoving WOKE shit and annoying updates, felt like how it used to be long ago, complete freedom. thank you Valve.
What percentage of your 195 games library works without more than toggling steamplay on?
Linux native? like maybe 20-30%.
With proton? 90% of my games work fine. 95% if you're willing to put in some work and manually troubleshoot.
pic not related.
Isn't it because China might potentially ban all usage of Windows? The chinks are a big market on Steam.
What's more likely to happen in the new cold wars is Microsoft doing it themselves. Look up Russia not getting their Microsoft licenses extended, they have until sept 30 and then poof, gone. Maybe we'll see more linux usage soon.
Hopefully, if one good thing could come out of this balkan war.
They'll just pirate, as usual
Because Gabe Newell used to work at Microsoft so he knows they're a bunch of moronic homosexuals.
Linux drives pretty much the entire backbone of the internet. It isn't some small deal (except for desktop machines). Maybe they've got some other business going on under the table/with the spooks etc.
Also it potentially gives them the option of telling Microsoft to go frick themselves if they try to pull some bullshit which Valve (& the majority of their customers) don't like.
If people were forced to run Linux in order to be able to play their games, I guarantee they'd wind up doing it (bitching & moaning the entire way), until it simply became the norm.
it s simply the correct choice
also futurproofing their business model
They only use linux because it's free so they don't have to pay royalties to microsoft on the steam deck
linux is a failure only the most autistic neets have for personal in hopes of "lightweight" software making their brazilian toasters run at all
so companies don't bother with an incredibly small market of people who can't even afford shit
Only true in the 90s. normies are on Linux now thanks to Steam Deck and previously Android.
Anon, brazilians on desktop PCs use pirated windows. They're the ones asking funny questions in your friendly windows threads. I surveyed a 200+ brazilian clan on Old School Runescape + RuneScape 3 for shits and giggles.
This. the meme that Linux users are cheapskates never made sense. cheap fricks pirate Windows, Linux users are mainly ideological.
brazilians are even more degenerate than that. they use "custom" windows from sketchy morons on youtube and forums that promise to be "debloated" and "gaming focused".
shit is obviously malware injected iso
ayyyyy, thank u baste daddy gayben 4 latching on to some fork of Wine and pretending it's yours XD
bassssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssed
that is literally how forking software works
They didn't fork SHIT, son. Proton existed before valve needed it for their steam consoles.
you should fork proton-classic if it bothers you so much.
You should stop gobbling corporate balls.
corporate is what made gaming possible on Linux in the first place.
Corporate is a necessary evil, an unfortunate requirement.
please use one of your software freedoms and clone that repo already.
The only thing holding me back from reinstalling Linux is the fact that the valve index doesn't work well with it. Half Life Alyx is rated silver on protondb...
This is just unacceptable from Valve. it's been 3 FRICKING YEARS ALREADY DAMN IT! their flagship not being available on Linux is just bad marketing and doesn't inspire confidence.
Valve ever since the Steam Machine have been trying to bring PC gaming to home consoles. Using Windows for this is a terrible idea. Windows is proprietary and Valve cannot modify or curate the user experience on Windows. Windows has a reputation for being riddled with shitty anti-consumer decisions like the entirety of Windows 8 (which GabeN labelled a "catastrophe), automatic updates or the heaps of bloat slowing down most Windows 10/11 PCs around the world. If you're making a console-like device and it's using Windows, the user is going to loathe it.
Even Microsoft's own consoles which use Windows are using heavily modified versions, and only Microsoft can do that.
Unfortunately the entire PC gaming space belongs to Windows, so Valve have been trying to escape that. It's purely a business decision motivated by their own desire to make their products work for their customers and reinforce their own long-term stability along the way, just in case Microsoft does something to harm the success of their business. Being reliant on competition is a bad business decision. They develop for generic Linux rather than just the Deck because of the latter. The Steam Deck is 100% a trojan horse designed to get away from Windows, but Valve also realize that they can't get away from Windows is the only people using Linux are Deck owners.
SteamDeck is good but yea its not enough.
Issue is no major laptop/desktop manufacturer out there preinstalls Linux on their machines unless requested by the customer.
Reminder that the last time they tried it, they had to legally declare that the PCs were consoles because of existing non-compete contracts microsoft has with Prebuilt suppliers.
How does google do it with their chromebooks then?
aren't they tablets with keyboards?
Technically they're tablets semantically.
Valve should partner up with System76 and release a generic AMD build for desktop.
This won't do any good. the Deck sells because it serves a niche purpose, gaming. Valve just gives you their SteamUI as a wrapper around Linux. it's a nice nonwalled garden. for Desktop you actually need a proper fully featured GUI. none of the available DE's can put up with this demand. even some "power users" prefer to use the GUI.
System76 is also niche, they build to order and slap Pop! OS on your hardware. Steam OS 3 is good enough for desktop gaming.
No pop isn't good enough for most people.
Everyone always recommends KDE. But when you ask for a distro, they point you to Mint and Pop!_OS. It doesn't make sense.
I skipped all that and just went with nobara because it sounds like it's for noobs that have no idea how to use linux.
you dont have to use the DE that comes with your distro, and you can have several installed at once
>you dont have to use the DE that comes with your distro
99% of users will stick with the default DE, though. I'm saying this as a Linux user.
No one argues that KDE Plasma is the only good desktop. Mint's version of Cinnamon is pretty good. I can't speak for Pop especially after the Linus debacle but otherwise you have plenty of options for Linux. Just stick to the most popular distros like Ubuntu, Mint, Debian, Fedora, OpenSUSE, Arch, and Gentoo (you're too new for this one, avoid) and you will be fine.
Another thing you might not know is that you can actually install new desktops any time. You absolutely can install Linux Mint and install KDE Plasma later on. Mint just doesn't really do much for KDE, you're better off going with OpenSUSE or Arch for KDE.
Technically the linus thing was because he intentionally used a really fricking out of date installation iso and brute forced around actually updating the metapackage so steam would eat the newer desktop environment.
Tl;dr he intentionally fricked it up.
Cinnamon is actually shit. And I mean Linux Mint's version of Cinnamon.
It's full of Python programs running in the background. Every other default application you run is also written in Python. It's like they never stopped to consider that their shitty programming language hogs down system resources, even on XFCE.
comfy
bocchi the stay
Valve hasn’t spent more than a couple days on designing a game since Half-Life 2. Everything they release is a bare-minimum, zero-content source mod with a price tag. Of course they have time to port stuff to ~~*Linux*~~
i dont know what to choose, arch or fedora?
Endeavour OS.
both are fine. arch if you want to tinker more, fedora if you want to tinker less.
both are good distros for gaems.
is gnome fine for gaming?
If you're asking, you're doing it wrong. Just do what the Steam Deck does, it uses KDE.
Steam Deck also uses separate sessions for gaming and desktop, with the choice of KDE being made to be most familiar to Windows users who just need to switch in for a little bit, since modern Windows is a KDE clone, but it isn't necessarily the best choice for regular desktop use if you want to get into Linux because Windows is so much like it.
KDE isn't familiar to anything. the default just copies Windows.
Other way around these days.
But yeah, if you really dig into it KDE is essentially a desktop interface creation kit. Which is super flexible, but the default is what Microsoft copied, and what most users are going to be using.
Its problem is it just doesn't have its own identity.
Which is what Gnome, and XFCE have going for them. Gnome as a modern take on classic UNIX interfaces like NeXT, and XFCE as a modern take on classic desktop interfaces more generally.
It is, and I use Gnome. But it is built for long time users of UNIX-like OSes like me, it isn't for everybody.
What desktop or lightweight WM you decide to use really depends on personal preference. Differences in game performance between them are often pretty small.
I usually suggest something like XFCE, its a good balance of being familiar enough for Windows users to not be really off-putting, but different enough to feel like its own thing.
>is gnome fine
no
AUR is pretty handy.
Because they can and Gabe wants it.
because gabe is an ex-microsoft employee, he has been in the belly of the beast and he didn't like what he saw
Because almost a decade ago they were extremely afraid that MS was going to eat Valve's margin through the Windows store, so Linux which was in the background suddenly became a priority.
>Are Valve the good guys? or do they really dislike Microsoft that much?
Both. Valve was almost always entirely pro customer/player and GabeN always hated Windows since he left MS. Windows becomes worse, you don't have to be smart to notice. Especially since UWP apps and Win8. Also they never wanted too much dominance. They bought dev teams and made them to work for them but with full freedom. I assume for FOSS it is not an option, but still they fund KDE and probably Arch which is nice. And by now even normalgays notice how shit Windows is and how overall well Linux works. Btw it's still funny how kino Linux gaming started with dxvk dev wanted 2B'a ass on Linux.
>Valve gives a shit about Linux
Hilarious. Gaben the fat israelite just funded Proton because Microsoft had him by the balls and he couldn't afford to put all their eggs in one basket.
Anyway, soon it won't matter what OS you're using because ~~*remote attestation*~~ aka "SafetyNet for PCs" is finally coming and your games will require it.
>your games
westslop is not my games, I can live without gay bear sex simulators
>he thinks nip publishers aren't fawning all over pluton
day of the rope soon pirategay
Careful anon, he might point to an old nip game that can be played just by specifying locale and installing a font.
Because Microsoft fricking sucks and Linux actually runs a lot of games (especially older) than Windows currently does. Imagine if the steam deck shipped with windows pro. That'd be another 100+ dollars alone for the shit OS
>valve cares about linux
>still can't play cs2 despite it being "open to everyone eligible"
Because linux users make up for only 0.13% of all PC users, but cause more than 50% of support issues.
You joke but this is the reason why many companies using Unreal/Unity don't release their games on Linux when it's literally 1 click away of making it possible.
50% of support issues, that affect all platforms because Linux users are far more likely to be software developers familiar with issue ticketing systems than users of other platforms.
>hunting down bugs in your software is bad
Okay.
Linux gays seething when they know it's clearly platform related issues that never happen on Windows.
there's something really wrong with your code if a lot of bugs are os specific
Expect the number of bugs reported per Lunix user to drop once all the tech-illiterate Winbabbies shit up Lunix.
unless all the linux users return to minix or some shit like that it will still be higher windows/mac. 300 bug reports is still 300 bugs squashed weather there are 500 or 1200 users.
Not going to happen within 10 years unless pre-builts come installed with some flavor of linux. Remember that these tech illiterates don't even know how to flash a USB and install an OS that isn't windows.
Basically 44% of the market are Linux prebuilts. You probably call them a phone. As their capabilities increase there is really very little that fundamentally separates them from PCs, and that means less reason for users to own a traditional PC.
Google is already moving ChromeOS to be a more typical Linux distribution. Android/Linux will be next. Its going to be GNU/Linux + a containerized Android/Linux environment for legacy compatibility.
That linux subset of pre-builts (phones) is curated by Android's developers. I don't see the quality of bug reports going down on their end. And I don't see Chrome OS being installed in an HP or Dell pre-built desktop PC any time soon in the next 10 years.
windows users will see that pic and claim that linux gamers wasted the devs time even if it's beneficial for both parties
>out of those 400 bugs reported, only 3 were platform specific
>the point the dev was making is that Linux users will report more frequently and tell you about bugs more often
anon did you not read your own fricking image
>if no one reports an issue it doesn't exist
Because valve has the game distribution game cornered, and the next logical thing is to disrupt microsoft's monopoly.
Honestly, Valve is so competent I would much rather have an operating system designed by Valve.
>I would much rather have an operating system designed by Valve.
You know you can download the recovery iso for the Steam Deck and play around with it? It's the real Steam OS 3.
https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/1B71-EDF2-EB6D-2BB3
The Valve designed stack is Arch BTW. There are a lot of ways to get all the SteamOS secret sauce, because there really isn't any other than being picky about the hardware you buy, and making use of Gamescope.
>Gamescope
The ultimate tool for any old games stuck at tiny resolutions. It's probably the most useful linux gaming exclusive software that works outside of Steam, you'll never see this on Windows.
Because Gabe worked at Microsoft early enough to learn how they can't be trusted
Because they hate Windows and they know being beholden to Microsoft in order to function would be a horrible idea.
A bunch of exM$ people work forand own the company.
Because valve really, really fricking hates windows.
it doesnt, it just want their own os with linux
Because Linux sucks
despite making up less than 1% of sales, Linux users make up over 20% of automated crash reports
>stats from an incompetent dev who wrote their own engine, barely made it functional on windows, and clearly put zero effort into making their linux building stable
linux runs every supercomputer and webserver in the world, it can run a fricking video game. developer error
can you used mod organizer on pirated games?
I don't see why not, I think the hard part is figuring out how to target your game directory and if it needs to be in the same wine prefix.
Gaben ordered it right before he got on his Yacht Collection and set sail for the undying lands. That was 12 years ago.
I'm excited to see what it'll take for me to amputate windows. Shopping around distros and seeing how it is for you guys was a fun afternoon, though a little over my head.
They're the only company still employing white people.
well, they absolutely do dislike microsoft
gabe and the other found members of valve were ex-microsoft devs who left to make games and generally weren't fans of what MS was doing
private companies also can potentially not be evil, but publicly traded companies must maximize profits
so valves as close as it gets to good
microsoft hates anyone who knows anything about computers
if you think microsoft and apple are any different from each other you're just a plebian
I download Armored Core 6 on steam, on Linux, it just works.
Windows is OVER.
Based. me too.
The death of the Microsoft monopoly isn't quite here yet but you can see it on the horizon.
Everyone should want an open source operating system that everyone can share in equally.
gayben used to work at Microsoft and knows bill gates personally
>I honestly still don't understand why they care so much for Linux.
Gabe worked for Microsoft and knows what's in store for windows. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but someday windows WILL go full cloud or force you to get steam through the microsoft store. This, obviously, is bad for both valve and end users. (Cloud shills go frick yourself and do not interact with this post because I don't wanna hear it.)
>they're not an OS developer
>yes they have SteamOS but it's just Arch with their own theming and a couple of wallpapers.
That's really the only thing video games need, a specialized, "just works" offshoot of arch.
>and they have a track record of telling parasitic companies to go frick themselves
that's the beauty of being a private company
>Are Valve the good guys?
No company is "the good guys", not even Valve. I like what they do, I appreciate their (mostly) consumer friendly actions, I heavily appreciate SteamVR and Proton, but I still remember Skyrim Paid Mods, the neglect of Team Fortress 2 (it's been getting community updates lately), and lootcrates in CS:GO and TF2. No company is "Your friend", or "The Good Guys", there's just companies that suck at what they do and companies that don't. Valve just doesn't suck right now, and other companies aren't trying. This can change tomorrow, in regards to both valve and their competitors.
My personal take on this is I sure do like what valve is doing for linux and that steam has an array of features that I actually use, especially in-home streaming and remote play together. Now they just need to fix up SteamVR on Linux and make it easier to mod games on linux by letting us pick different .exes to use in a wine prefix. SteamTinkerLaunch or something like it should, frankly, be a built in feature maintained by valve but isn't. I appreciate valve, but I won't defend them if they start acting like Epic, Ubisoft, EA, Activision, Nintendo, etc.
No one should mistake Valve as "the good guys." I wouldn't be making backups of my purchases otherwise in the event they go consumer hostile, of which finding working cracks for denuvo games is a major headache and possibly a write-off in terms of archiving. Also, remember google's "do no evil" PR garbage? That hasn't applied in a long time.
for a laptop with an old amd apu which is better windows or linux?
Exactly how old? What's the specs?
8gb of RAM, amd a8 7410 with radeon R5 graphics
That is too old to be taking advantage of any new kernel features on linux. Stick with windows.
could i get at leas the same performance on games?
Your GPU is too old, no idea if it'll be any good.
it supports vulkan
Which version of vulkan?
If you feel confident, try linux mint I guess.
in windows 1.2
i think on linux it supports 1.3, it is a GCN 2 card
Linux Mint.
Here's a real answer.
Valve is a privately owned company, so unlike every other company it cares about the future, not just short term exponential profits for shareholders. That's why.
Private companies are always the good guys, ~~*shareholders*~~ are literally pure evil.
i know what your point is, but private companies still have shareholders just fyi
Private companies are only as good as the people who own them, it just so happens that public companies always have extremely evil shareholders because those are the people who can afford to invest, pump out as much money as possible, then leave the company to die as soon as the exponential money grubbing causes it to crash and burn
This thread has made convincing arguments for Linux, but what if I'm moronic? Can I make the switch without killing myself? I have modded games in the past, as far as "move zip to specified folder" counts as modding.
If anything it's an occasion to learn and prove to yourself you're not as moronic as the average moron, if my dumbass roommate can do it then so can you
There are no problems you can't fix with google if you use a popular distro
I suggest endeavourOS, that way every fix that applies to arch including its wiki will apply to you along with easy access to the AUR
I'll keep Endeavour in mind as a starting point in the future, thanks.
>but what if I'm moronic? Can I make the switch without killing myself?
Your biggest issue is going to be finding the right distro that you gel with, not the act of using linux unto itself. Linux Mint is moron proof but has outdated packages and no KDE Plasma. Arch is moron proof because it has a lot of documentation and video tutorials for stuff and archinstall makes things really easy as long as you know how to pick the correct hard drive to wipe which is gonna be the hardest part. EndeavourOS is just arch with a GUI installer.
>I have modded games in the past, as far as "move zip to specified folder" counts as modding.
Use SteamTinkerLaunch to mod games and remember that WINE/Proton prefixes are just regular windows file structures but in their own self contained folders.
Few reasons. <1% of gaymers are on Linux.
They are also 50% of all troubleshooting tickets / requests.
Takes away dev time / costs money.
Bit of a chicken and the egg thing but the average gamer is never going to use Linux so who cares.
>They are also 50% of all troubleshooting tickets / requests.
citation needed
don't post the planetary annihilation shitters
Literally in this thread dumb Black person.
>out of those 400 bugs reported, only 3 were actually platform specific to linux
do you even read the fricking pictures you link to, you gargantuan mongoloid moron?
pls leave mongolia alone
Beyond All Reason is better.
So you're telling me linux users, despite being an extreme minority, fix entire games by themselves by making more and higher quality bug reports? Thanks for arguing in favor of linux support I guess
>linux
>gaming
Yes.
>enter Linux thread expecting endess shitposting
>actually a really good thread
You surprised me today Ganker
I'm still holding out for them to make hosting Source servers on arm64/aarch64 less of a pain in the ass. So far, trying to get them to run in a 32-bit userspace with box86 has been a harrowing experience, where the best progress I've made so far is getting a L4D2 server to start up--only to kill itself 19/20 times trying to initialize a game session on connection, and in the rare case it does, it dies trying to initialize the wandering infected.
I dunno, at least release some 64-bit Linux binaries so I only have to use box64 instead would at least make it less annoying to frick around with.
>box64
god damn man, I can't wait for that to mature more so I can start playing PC games on my phone with Winlator that aren't from 2010 or earlier.
why not use qemu-static-user? For server you don't need box86
I forget what it was, but there was something last time I checked that meant my server couldn't run virtualization software like Qemu, but if it's a different implementation, I could check it out.
WOW, that's an old photo. I'm gonna guess it's from 2012.
the only reason MS doesn't lock down windows and frick it up even more is precisely BECAUSE gabe has linux ready to go. It's an escape hatch that is stopping microsoft from fricking up the entire PC ecosystem. Every game developer should be thanking Valve for doing this. Without them PC gaming would be a LOT worse
BASED gabe saving the entire gaming industry
the day he dies is the day gaming falls into the abyss
Valve's senior management is all ex microsoft. They know what microsoft is thinking. They can read it like tea leaves.
They felt there was enough of a threat of microsoft going full cloud os / applestore that they needed to hedge their bets on linux. Or at least threaten to microsoft that they'll take their ball and go home if they try to muscle in on valve's steam cut by making them sell through microsoft's own monopolistic storefront.
They run an online storefront and they have personally seen that Apple does not give a shit about maintaining compatibility with anything (See also: TF2 mac update) and that Windows will at any point randomly decide that they want to be market kings and run an EEE campaign on their asses that locks them out of the customerbase unless they go through Windows (See also: their inability to updoot Xbox TF2 unless they bundled DLC with it and all of the bullshit that Microsoft regularly pulls).
Valve aren't really good guys but they're not a publicly traded company that just needs to leave someone else holding the bag, and they are very concerned with finding more ways to get more milk out of their cash cow without actually killing it.
If they were actually good guys, then they would have moved away from their chromium reliant webshit client.
>family & friends think I'm a wizard when it comes to using computers because can navigate through common computer problems frequently and use linux on occasion
>tfw I'm actually moronic and just google up shit whenever I get confused on a step and can usually figure it out from there
it's surprising that when someone encounters an issue when it comes to computer, a lot of people's first reaction isn't really to just google it real quick and get a rough idea what's going on, they just kinda get confused and keep fricking around with it while not making any real progress
I know this feel
I keep telling people the most important skill you can learn is learning how to learn, you don't even have to really retain knowledge, you just need to know how to follow along someone else doing something, practice it on your own time, and understand what parameters do what and that a file system is like a tax document filing cabinet but digital and for stuff that isn't depressing, you're good to go with PCs.
>thought the joke about Ikea furniture being hard to build was some weird internet joke
>tfw found out there's people that genuinely struggle with building it
I mean yeah, you might have trouble parsing a step if the instructions are vague, but I've done built a couple of those and they're easy as frick if you can follow basic instructions
a bookshelf isn't that fricking complex to build
To be fair I'm one of those people who thinks Ikea furniture is hard to build (depending on which ikea furniture we're talking here), but that's because I'm a visual learner. I even learned how to use linux via youtube tutorials rather than reading the Arch wiki. If I watch someone else do something like put ikea furniture together, I'll be like "Oh, okay, I see" as I view the cause and effect of putting things in a place, whether it be text into a terminal, or a nail/screw into a specific board, and instinctually be able to do it with my newfound understanding of what goes into what and the physics of drilling/hammering it together or the output of a filesystem and a terminal command; However, if someone hands me a sheet of paper with words on it telling me how to do something with no visual assistance, I'll get overwhelmed and not understand. Then I'll get the whole
>But you're so smart, how do you not understand this?
which feels like a kick to the balls because I feel like I let someone's expectations of me down through being a moron that can't understand how to read a manual but can understand how to monkey see monkey do.
You'd be the kind of guy who would apprentice to a master craftsman in the old days.
That's honestly the only genuine, well thought out compliment I've gotten from anyone in what feels like the past 5 years, thanks.
Insane that a lot of Ganker hates Steam/Valve when their existence is unquestionably a net positive for gaming
Investing into Linux and promoting it as a gaming platform is nothing but commendable, but that apparently doesn't matter to some people because reddit memes about Gabe exist
is it true that on linux the games use more VRAM than on windows?
sure.
i didnt know this, so this explains certain things
i was trying to game on an old amd APU with a limited amount of VRAM, so that explains why some games that run fine on windows ran worse on linux
Pinging the Artifact copy-paste autist
Best girl!
Valve looked at windows store becoming a thing and decided that they better have an option to make their business move to linux than to be cut off from the OS and earn nothing while litigation proceeds slowly(MS would probably insist that thanks to windows store the system is more secure because it doesn't use exes etc.).