Why is Xbox preforming so poorly this generation?

Arguably just as bad if not worse than last time, despite seemingly having not made any big mistakes?
We all know what went wrong with the One, but Don is long gone, the Kinect push is over, they switched back to appealing to Gamers, and
they have Gamepass. Why are they still struggling so badly? Is it ALL on the exclusives and weird naming scheme?

Sony recovered from the bad first half of the PS3’s lifespan. Nintendo recovered from the failed first third of the 3DSs. Even complete failures of systems like the Wii U didn’t hurt the Switch. What’s going on here?

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why are they still struggling so badly?
    They aren't, Game Pass is making more money than the entirety of Playstation is doing.
    It's actually funny how Microsoft gaslit people into believing they're the "third place" but at the same time Xbox is the most straight up profitable console ecosystem currently.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, if those numbers hold up, or continue to rise, XBox will have made a very successful move.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're projecting right now by gaslighting yourself. Xbox is doing horrible and will continue to do so if they don't get some exclusives.
      >inb4 PC games
      I said exclusives.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I think the problem is you're living in the 90s where things like exclusives mattered. All that matters is subscriptions now. That's why they can proudly say their console has failed while they buy up more and more devs to put on their rental platform. They know there won't be anymore discs or ownership of games soon, and there won't be anything consumers can do to stop it besides quit gaming.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Hello Phil

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Physical sales make up 60% of Sony's sales on Playstaton from the Imnsoniac leak https://imgur.com/Tr2p6Sv. But I think you already knew that because being anti game ownership is why the Xbox brand is where it is today.

          Distant third place and getting behind the Ouya and Steam Deck. Every retailer in America has the Xbox Series consoles discounted at fire sales numbers because the Xbox brand is rejected commercially and internationally. Well done Phil Spencer.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >the xbox didnt fail, only the console, but it still exists in the cloud
          ah i see
          you're moronic

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not exactly the cloud if I can download the full games to my console and play them on my hardware, not streaming. Also, Xbox games come in disc format too you other idiot.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >exclusives
        Nintendo is the only one making good exclusives. Xbox is trying hard to compete with Sony but they're still losing because they have no legacy fans and they are directly competing with their own product, PC. Sony has trash exclusives but a massive following, and literally the only difference between sony and xbox is legacy fans. PS4 and 5 have survived on a mediocre machine with no good exclusives only because people liked the PS2 and 3. Xbox just needs to keep pushing and doubling down on game pass and they'll do fine. PS6 will be the true measure of how good Sony is at gaming, and unfortunately they are bankrupting themselves by spending all their money on shitty exclusives that cost 50x what nintendo spends on actual good exclusives.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Is that why the projections for game pass are consistently not met and they

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        And they what?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Xbox has never met their internal sales projections for GamePass. There is a ceiling for the number of people who want to be part of a rent cult of slop.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >There is a ceiling for the number of people who want to be part of a rent cult of slop.
            that limit is extremely high. Steam has 120 million monthly active users. 62.6 million people use Steam on a daily basis. and thats just on pc

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >They aren't, Game Pass is making more money than the entirety of Playstation is doing
      The thing is that Xbox consoles don't sell only the gamepass and soon enough Xbox stop being console manufacture and only a online gamepass Rantala service

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        *rental service

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. Xbox + PC gamepass dwarfs Sony in terms of revenue. They don't care how many consoles they sell because they have access to a much larger playerbase thanks to PC.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nice try but PC gamers aren't buying KoolAid rent from Spencer. Xbox GamePass is all in on the console owners buying it. No consoles, no gamepass slop rents.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Lmao seeing people cope this hard because they hate Sony is funny.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nah. I just pirate my video games on PC. I'm not paying for any media subscription services,

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          What the frick? Why would you need to update a car?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            YOU WOULDN'T UPDATE A CAR

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >revenue
        >not profit
        Gamepass is much less popular on PC than on Xbox.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          They are acting like Rings of Power is somehow responsible for the income Amazon makes from its store and servers. Xbox is an embarrassing burden for Microsoft that’s why they stopped reporting consoles sales last gen.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Shut the frick up schizo, you’ve been pushing this dead rrat for weeks. No one cares or believes you goypass shill.

      [...]

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Would be surprised the say whole lot of nothing like this site is fricking reddit.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        It has finally happened. I finally found someone outside of the vtuber board that is using “rrat”

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is the samegay OP, they posted this thread just for an excuse to claim this bullshit for the 1000th time this week.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Shut the frick up schizo, you’ve been pushing this dead rrat for weeks. No one cares or believes you goypass shill.
        [...]

        I dont know how anyone can look at the amount of money MS is making and saying it's schizo shit when Xbox is doing WAY better now that they own activision and is gonna buy up more publishers.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          now post operating profit

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous
        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Xbox is for gays, thanks for providing my point.
          Your image doesn’t help your argument at all. Xbox is a dead brand, most people view it’s as the HD-DVD of consoles. Anyone with an Xbox is automatically a cringe homosexual.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            If owning 4/10 of the best selling games of the year is a dead brand, Im scared to see what an alive brand would look like.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >available on PC
              If they were exclusive to Xbox they wouldn’t be the best selling of anything to begin with since no uses that trash.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              All of them on other devices. Even Starfield is a third party game on Steam. That is kind of a dead brand.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                That $70 people paid for starfield on steam. I don't think Microsoft cares if you didn't sub to gamepass.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                And Valve takes 30% of it because somehow Microsoft is now a third party on their own OS. They are leading users to a competing platform.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Gabe Newell is a microsoft employee. Steam doing well is in the best interests of Microsoft in order to stave off monopoly claims.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                He left the company decades ago for a reason. He pushes Linux for a reason. Look at Epic if you want to see who Microsoft's right hand man actually is.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Gabe Newell said that he trusts MS and they are his closest friends if that isnt an endorsement, what is?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                He doesn't care what they do and didn't want to get involved because he's busy on his yacht. Steam did just fine without CoD for years, Gaben doesn't give a FRICK.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                And yet he said he offered to help them out in whatever way he could.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not true, he didn't even go sign the agreement to help bolster Microsoft's case. He couldn't even be assed to sign something they could email or fax over. He truly does not care about Microsoft and does not want to deal with them. He's over there trying to make Linux viable instead.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Valve has to suck dick just to get their platform on Windows. That's why they're shilling Linux now

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                if microsoft tried anything to push valve off windows, i'm pretty sure every pc gamer would revolt and microsoft would become even more irrelevant.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Winjeets will never switch. Bill Gates gives them a prostrate exam every time they're forced to update and they just bend over and take it.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                taking away 20 years of games would in fact cause them to switch, i think.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                There's still threads about winjeets shidding and farding over steam abandoning win7. They come up with these preposterous schemes instead of switching to Linux

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                that's valve abandoning them in their eyes, it's a different story. it's not microsoft themselves betraying them.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Linux itself just dropped support for older systems.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                People still using Windows 7 make up less than a single percent of Steam users. There are more people using Steam on Mac OS than W7

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Every laptop I’ve ever been asked to help fix after Windows became too much of a burden for it with the forced upgrades and upgrade nags, runs perfectly with Linux Mint and they barely noticed the UI difference. Anyone that preferred Windows 7 over the Windows Phone interface of 10 and 11 has been happy with Mint.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Windows sucks who the frick uses that spyware shit? They openly admit to wanting to keep all of your data on their servers then rent it back to you as a subscription. While also mining it for data. If you still use Windows your either a moron or a Facebook boomer.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's still a lot of money. Starfield has been a top steam seller since launch.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Starfield isn't even in the top 20 anymore lol
                https://store.steampowered.com/search/?filter=topsellers

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Starfield is the only one that's not part of some long existing intellectual property/franchise

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              You think people bought Call of Duty and Diablo because of Xbox?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >#blacklivesmatter
            >#wearamaskandgetvaxxed
            >troony pic
            >ukraine flag
            I can't tell if this is parody account or a real post.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >4/22/22
              Yesterday’s reality is today’s parody. What a difference a few years makes.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Now you're just being s homosexual. I want Xbox to succeed and the Black person you're talking to is why xbox is doing so shit these days I miss the good days of OG Xbox and 360 with fun exclusives now it's just a glorified third party cloud machine.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Don’t hold your breath.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's nice of them to be transparent about the games they work on. It makes it much easier to know which games to avoid.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I dunno man, PS just seems like the braindead default for people who really aren't paying attention. Like how anyone could purchase a PS5 after the Act-Blizz acquisition is a fricking moron.

            Every normie non-gamer I know has a PS5. And they ONLY play COD, which is hilarious.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              yeah everything is fricked up. only thing that matters to most people is cod

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Corporate acquisitions aren't games. People buy consoles to play games, not to jerk off to megacorporations buying other megacorporations and obsess over a dumb console war.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                why the frick would anyone stop buying a PS5 after the activision acquisition? phil already said hes never gonna stop releasing on playstation. ps5 has a better controller and better UI and exclusive games.

                It's less that and more that most people got a PS4 last gen since it was both cheaper, ran most games better and didn't require a fricking Kinect.
                And since most people have bought a fair number of games on Playstation or have accounts tied there that aren't cross-progression with other platforms, they're basically just going to treat new console generations as upgrades to their existing machines. It's more like upgrading the GPU in your PC than choosing a new platform with each generation. Or, and I used this example before, like upgrading to the next version of your phone, even if the competitor looks cooler. You don't want to reset all the settings and purchases you have on your current device ecosystem

                The army of mongs that are making up the vast majority of the Playstation userbase only plays shit like COD, which is now owned by MS and will be exclsusive when the agreement is done. Only a COD moron would doubledown into the Sony ecosystem and A) pay $70 per installment for the last few CODs that release on their console as opposed to paying nothing by joining gamepass, and B) just have to switch to Xbox anyways down the line when the agreement is up.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >as opposed to paying nothing by joining gamepass
                You shot yourself in the foot here. Only Xbox fanboys were delusional enough to believe ABK merger in of itself would turn the tide and boost xbox console sales

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                phil swore under oath in court that he'll never make cod xbox exclusive

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              why the frick would anyone stop buying a PS5 after the activision acquisition? phil already said hes never gonna stop releasing on playstation. ps5 has a better controller and better UI and exclusive games.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              It's less that and more that most people got a PS4 last gen since it was both cheaper, ran most games better and didn't require a fricking Kinect.
              And since most people have bought a fair number of games on Playstation or have accounts tied there that aren't cross-progression with other platforms, they're basically just going to treat new console generations as upgrades to their existing machines. It's more like upgrading the GPU in your PC than choosing a new platform with each generation. Or, and I used this example before, like upgrading to the next version of your phone, even if the competitor looks cooler. You don't want to reset all the settings and purchases you have on your current device ecosystem

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >I dunno man, PS just seems like the braindead default for people who really aren't paying attention.

              Ironic considering the Xbox 360 was in the exact same position for most of 7th gen. That was the last time they were truly competitive too.

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The 8th Generation was a make it or break it generation as the move to digital and massive push for backwards compatibility mean now you can’t easily flip flop consoles like you could in the old days, it’s more like a phone provider or computer OS than a standalone machine.

    Sony won big, now everyone’s digital library’s are over there and their trophy scores and account investments. No one is moving over to Xbox. The bad name and exclusives just further cement that they aren’t going to get many new or casual gamers either.

    Nintendo saved their asses by abandoning the Wii U early, they may well have ended up in the same boat otherwise. Plus they’ve got a huge casual edge.

    Essentially Xbox is screwed short to medium term and can only really pull ahead long term if Microsoft commits to making everything they bought exclusive like COD and strangles Sony out

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Good post, more online means there's probably more of an accretion effect for the winning system. People want to play with their friends and will get the same console as them.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because people aren't buying a console in a vacuum, just looking at the hardware and the new games available. People are upgrading from their previous machine and thinking about all the games that they bought on their last piece of hardware
      So if you're a PS4 owner with 50 digital PS4 games (and even physical PS4 games), you're going to be looking at the PS5 because it's the platform that lets you keep all your existing games (even if you don't play them that much). The Sunk Cost mentality is huge when it comes to choosing a hardware ecosystem. It's how Apple keeps people buying the new iPhone every year, even if it's not much better or price-efficient over an Android phone. Have you noticed how many ads there are for Samsung trying to show the data migration process for Apple to Samsung phones? That's because they're trying to raise awareness of how easy it is to migrate out of that ecosystem while keeping all your shit.
      That shit doesn't exist in consoles. There is no option to transfer your game purchases from Playstation to Xbox because it would kill playstation's installbase benefit

      Very good post. Yeah, the big edge here is that everyone is just upgrading from PS4 to PS5. There would have to be a HUGE price discrepancy, somewhere in the ballpark of $300-500 to get people to abandon their current console for the other
      >Essentially Xbox is screwed short to medium term and can only really pull ahead long term if Microsoft commits to making everything they bought exclusive like COD and strangles Sony out
      I don't think this is the only way out. I think it certainly is one and it's the easiest but also it would potentially scare away the manpower they've accumulated. One of the big fears Spencer clearly has is about dev attrition when they think Microsoft will come and meddle with their projects.
      I think the real trick isn't even to make CoD exclusive, just let the devs make other games entirely

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        since you brought up apple, something both iphones and playstation have in common is that they're "cool". it's cool to own an iphone, it's cool to own a playstation, it's not as cool to own an android phone in comparison and it's very uncool to own an xbox.

        sony has done wonders with their branding and microsoft was ruined theirs, the og xbox? cool to own. the 360? incredibly cool to own. the magic was lost with the xbox one, it was no longer a cool device. you weren't cool if you own one. the series s is even worse. if you own one you're poor, it's the console for divorced men in their 30's or 40's that have to have pay child support. that's the brand image that microsoft has cultivated with the series s and gamepass and the second thing they probably need to do after releasing games is to fix that. the series x gets roped in because it's the same ecosystem.

        that's why black culture reveres the playstation though. it's cool, it's a status symbol like a good ass pair of shoes. xbox feels like that offbrand shit.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >that's why black culture reveres the playstation though. it's cool,
          This is stupid as pack of mules on skids
          Game console are to play VIDEO GAMES and not be a center pice in your living rooms art gallery Xbox is "losing" because it doesn't have any "exlusive" games when you're in a video game business you sell games and you build a console that plays those games god normi scum has ruined games with they're bat shit stupidy

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            the reason the genesis did well in america is because it was "cooler" than the super nintendo because of the marketing. this isn't really new, it's a retread of things we already saw before. but in the past nerds didn't give a frick what was cool, it was just kids that didn't want a "kiddy console". now the market is full of people with that childlike mentality, they want the cool one. the PS5 even looks like it has a giant ass racing stripe running up the middle.

            IT's more about just upgrading to the next unit within your existing ecosystem
            >buy 1000 songs on itunes
            >all playable only on iphone (don't know if this is true, just go with it)
            >new samsung phone looks cool, but doesn't play itunes songs
            >stay on iphone so you dont lose your songs (even if you don't listen to most of them most of the time)
            This is kind of one of the tenants of content platform expansion: you need to get as many people invested so they're entrenched and less likely to leave. It's the same principle of why people are often not very ready to leave their homes for a new job, even if it's a new job that is better. Because they've set down roots and have a lot established in their current neighborhood. Basic sunk-cost mentality.
            [...]
            There is a bit of brand prestige, it's a big reason why Playstation focuses so much on the 3rd person cinematic prestige games from their own studios. Because those have the greatest amount of prestige, at least from a marketing stand point
            Microsoft's issue is the same as always, since Steve Jobs said it best: they have no taste. Individual people may have taste (please some back Peter Moore) but as a corporate culture, they're way too enterprise Business-2-Business to have the cool factor that a game company needs.
            >the magic was lost with the xbox one
            It's so funny that they obsessed about TV when they were the first console to have Netflix with the 360. So fricking funny, genuinely.
            The Series S is kind of neat but it lacks the image in anyone's mind of being desirable to have
            > it's the console for divorced men in their 30's or 40's that have to have pay child support
            lmao
            But yeah. playstation have made themselves THE console to own if you have money or taste, at least in the minds of people
            That being said, I really like the xbox controller lab

            >The Series S is kind of neat but it lacks the image in anyone's mind of being desirable to have
            yeah, that's the fatal flaw. it's funny to think back because when you look at nintendo's most popular consoles they actually sell enough out that they're so hard to find that the news reports on them. the ds, wii, and switch were like that at launch just like the ps5 was. consumers are dumb, that creates an image that everyone is buying one because they're highly desirable so now everyone wants one. if you're an oldgay, that shit happened with furbies or in recent times, fricking toilet paper. the pandemic shortages almost assuredly helped playstation's image this gen.

            >I really like the xbox controller lab
            the controller lab is sick as frick, awesome idea. agree with everything else you said too.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >consumers are dumb, that creates an image that everyone is buying one because they're highly desirable so now everyone wants one
              I think a lot of it is marketing.
              The Wii Would Like To Play ads for the Wii were fricking lightning in a bottle. The DS barely even had ads but the gimmick was so self-evident and obviously appealing that everyone got in on that too. The Switch's announcement ad is still incredibly clear with its messaging about what the thing fricking does.
              The PS5, as mentioned, has done really well for itself in its marketing. The focus on cinematic 3rd person action games/action-RPGs makes it feel like the prestige "adult" console. The issue for Xbox is that they basically gave away the american normie audience to Playstation, so it's not even clear which sub-audience they're targeting. Like, what does a non-Playstation gamer even look like? The only thing I can think of are PC gamers (which Xbox is trying to attract) and Nintendo gamers (which they have no chance at pulling over).
              They're looking for blue oceans without a clue of whether they even exist

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                No, it was Phil Spencer who killed the Xbox brand image of dudebro console gamer to Human Resources approved safe space with a rent box. Do you know why we say Pepsi/Coke as default for soda? Because they keep spending money on branding internationally. Xbox under Phil Spencer has no brand.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Don Mattrick was the one who killed that image because under him, Xbox started off that generation with completely fricked marketing and messaging (TV TV TV), a starting price $100 over the competition, a mandatory Kinect in every console and chasing away both Bungie and Epic Games from Xbox's two biggest franchises, effectively dooming them to mediocrity (at least compared to their past entries). It's hard to be the console for dudebro gamers when they all buy a Playstation because it plays 90% of the same games but is $100 cheaper and doesn't require a stupid camera toy to be plugged in.
                It's also worth remembering that the Playstation 4 and Xbox One were, at launch, completely lacking in backwards compatibility. So having a big 360 library literally meant nothing, you couldn't play the old CoD or Madden games on your Xbox One at launch

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                the don mattrick era produced some of the best xbox games ever. phil spencer has made nothin but garbage

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the don mattrick era produced some of the best xbox games ever
                He joined in 2007, most of the games that came out from 2007-2010 were the result of Peter Moore's leadership and deals. You only really start to see Mattrick's influence with shit like the Kinect and the sheer amount of focus on it
                He was a fricking moron who tried to turn Xbox into the Wii+Cable Box combo. He thought he could chase the runaway success the Wii had with casuals and tried to out-casual Nintendo.
                Spencer hasn't fixed Xbox but the fact that there was anything in need of fixing is Mattrick's fault for breaking it. Mattrick broke Xbox harder than the PS3 broke Sony or the Wii U broke Nintendo

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                damn it's sad both consoles now have a worse lineup of exclusives than the 360 did

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                It wasn't even a lack of games that hurt the xbox. It was Don treating us gamers like shit with the always online for no reason and no benefits. The xbox one being more money than the ps4 hurt also. I myself was mad and bought a used ps3. Then a year later under a heavy sale which included the master chief collection (and some other game) I bought it.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Funniest part of watching that unfold in 2013 was after being asked about troops overseas or on ships/submarines with limited to no internet how they could use it, he basically said “get fricked, play your 360 instead idk”. Xbox only ever did well in the US market and their head said “frick the troops”, like he didn’t know what a social taboo that is in the US. Way to know your audience!

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Then Major Nelson lying and saying we can't flip the switch and turn off the drm to angry Joe. Then they did just that like a week later. Lost all respect for Major Nelson. He was just a lying shill and fighting the gamers that gave him a job.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ahhhhhhhhhhhh

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Agreed
                Don Mattrick was a very typical executive. His basic thing was figuring out how to maximize profit, diversify revenue streams and eke out every cent from every paying consumer

                Even though most of it is god awful shovelware on the left, it still has better exclusives than Xbox and PS5.

                That's not the core take-away. Look at the distribution of games between console vs peripheral.
                Mattrick was trying to divert resources and attention away from console and towards Kinect. Why? Two reasons.
                First, Kinect is his baby and has his face and fingerprints all over it. If it did well, he could claim near complete ownership and credit for it. So he was using all of Xbox's resources to try to make it the focus, going as far as requiring it in all launch Xbox Ones
                Second, because his entire philosophy was going wider and wider with audience appeal, even at the expense of core users. He was chasing that uber-casual audience the Wii had tapped into.
                I never want to hear people say Mattrick was better than Spencer ever again. Spencer has the right priorities at least, even if he's kind of a coward for not pushing Xbox into a 1st party business model.
                Mattrick just fundamentally did not care about gaming. He saw Xbox as his opportunity to make a big name for himself within Microsoft by turning it into a general media division instead of a gaming division. He wanted to turn Xbox into a prototype of the Apple TV

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Even though most of it is god awful shovelware on the left, it still has better exclusives than Xbox and PS5.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                > The DS barely even had ads but the gimmick was so self-evident and obviously appealing that everyone got in on that too.
                around whenever the lite came out, there was a frenzy around getting one. it became a highly desirable device and i'm not sure why but ds lites were very hard to find then. it did look very sleek to be fair, the design was much more aesthetic than the original ds.

                >They're looking for blue oceans without a clue of whether they even exist
                yeah that's a good point. more than trying to cater towards a market, they're trying to bend the market to cater to what they want to do in the future(sub services, cloud streaming) but when microsoft tries this, it typically does not work out for them. outside of windows and the 360, i can't remember the last product they had that truly took off. the zune, surface, the features that windows was trying to push like augmented reality in 10. most of it has been a bust. even the 360 was a dud by the end of the generation when they pushed the kinect too hard.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >they're trying to bend the market to cater to what they want to do in the future(sub services, cloud streaming)
                I don't know if that's the intent, actually.
                Here's how I see it:
                1. Xbox has a problem: everyone has a big library with Playstation already and so are unwilling to buy a platform on which they have few, if any, games. Xbox could just give everyone tons of games but that would be too expensive on a per-title basis. So Game Pass becomes a sort of faux-library, a rental that comes with a sort of substitute for actually buying 50-100 games on Xbox on your own.
                2. Game Pass can only be used if you're playing on Xbox consoles. It's hard to get people to drop $300-500 on a piece of hardware, even harder to get them to use as their primary device over the identical piece of hardware from your competitor. Solution: expand Game Pass beyond the Xbox console, even beyond PC, with Cloud.
                3. But who even plays games aside from console and PC users? This is the biggest jump because here's the question of where that blue ocean is. There are 3 basic groups that they're betting exist and that they can reach.
                >a.) kids
                the majority of zoomers nowadays play games on their phones. It's at about 69-73% percent usage as their primary game platform. Xbox wants to get to these kids before they even think about getting a Playstation. Think about the following: why was Xbox SO FAST to get Fortnite working on xCloud after they were kicked permanently from the apple store? Because that means they were getting kids who previous played the most popular game on the most popular platform onto their platform instead. It means that by signing up for game pass to get to fortnite on xCloud (complete with custom touch controls to mimic the iOS version), they were also dipping their toes into Xbox and Game Pass

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                The real difference is Microsoft has Apple levels of revenue. Sony is like Target and Chipotle combined. Totally different classes.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Apple 2.1 T
                >Microsoft 1.9 T
                >Amazon 1.7 T
                Xbox isn’t even worth the $200 billion difference between them. No one cares about Xbox, there are zero people clamoring for the latest Xbox like they do for iPhones. Xbox is a dead brand.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                The series x was sold out for like 3 years. The iPhone wasn't. That said the series x is old now and available. Come 2025 when they release something new not sure people are going to care as much. VR I think will take over.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Xbox doesnt give a shit about cloud gaming compared to the others, there's even leaked emails about how they think it'll never catch on and why they sold off the cloud gaming rights in europt to ubisoft.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >no actual exclusives
      >their console exclusives are actual trash like Redfall and Starfield
      >bought dozens of studios years ago, so far not a single big name xbox studios game outside Forza and Halo
      >notable lack of indie and eastern games
      >goypass negatively affects sales
      >also what this anon said
      I don't want them to go under because Snoys need a competitor, but god damn this brand is completely unappealing, even Sony movie games and Nintendo overpriced garbage have a actual audience, at best the SeS has the poorgays but that's being generous.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >if Microsoft commits to making everything they bought exclusive like COD and strangles Sony out
      They can't make COD exclusive for 10 years. That was a condition of the regulators that Sony had access to COD

      However the biggest and most frightening data point for Sony the regulators globally pointed out, Especially with the EU and Brazil regulators is that the way Sony defined the market was "High-Performance gaming consoles" where Sony was 70/30 globally and up to 90/10 in Europe (Which is a monopoly). Sony was operating a monopoly and happily using foreclosure as a strategy by using third party exclusives like Final Fantasy and Street Fighter to push Microsoft out of the market. Regulators were pissed and told Sony that their concerns didn't have merit. Even the UK regulator told Sony straight up that they aren't concerned about the console space because Sony actively pursues foreclosure. All concerns went to the nascent market of cloud gaming instead.

      Microsoft likely took that and said "We can hang back in this gen and really build out our operation with acquisitions without much regulator blowback so we can get a real run at 2027". Never mind from 2024 onwards they have the Call of Duty marketing.

      Expect more acquisitions in the future once the FTC stops flailing about in court. The day they buy a Japanese publisher is probably going to be the funniest day on Ganker in the sites history

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        It was the FTC who made the "high-performance console market" definition. And by that same definition Nintendo has an actual monopoly in the handheld console market.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >It was the FTC who made the "high-performance console market" definition
          The FTC adopted Sony's argument, It was Sony who came up with it because Sony didn't want Nintendo or PC to be included (As those two would have made Sony's arguments moot). They used the same definition in Europe to the European Union regulators because Sony's whole argument was "By taking away COD from the far and away market leader you are hurting consumers". So much so that Microsoft presented the same chart to the European Union regulators and said "Why would you protect the company with an admitted monopoly?".

          It's why they all went with cloud gaming concessions. They all told Sony to go frick themselves. And their rulings opened the door for MS to buy another publisher as well because they felt Sony had far too much control of the market that was defined and thought MS had the right to invest to catch up. Even Japan's regulator believed this and pushed through the Activision deal with no concessions needed,

          It's why I believe Microsoft's calling this gen a wash and they will be aiming for Xbone lifetime sales. They know they can invest without much pushback and be ready for the gen switch in 2027.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The FTC adopted Sony's argument, It was Sony who came up with it
            This is completely false, along with the rest of your post.

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >No games
    >Xbox is a damaged brand after the Xbox One reveal
    >Xbox becoming more of a multi-platform service than just a console with exclusives thanks to Gamepass and day 1 Steam PC releases

    The honest question is why the frick would you own an Xbox? It has no games, and the very few Xbox """"exclusives"""" (also on PC*) it has are pretty divisive (Starfield, Halo Infinite). Microsoft placed all their bets on Gamepass as a service, it really seems like they knew the next gen Xbox would underperform and they really just don't care and are letting it rot. Xbox is a service now.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sony recovered from the horrific PS3 launch within 3 years, while the One reveal was a decade ago. That ain’t it

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        it's their dogshit software quality

        every time they buy a studio they lose money because all of the talent from these studios dissipates back into the indie scene, and those devs are selling their games primarily on Steam

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sony recovered by putting out games.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >games
          snoys will fall for literally anything, even low effort third person movies with magnetic gameplay

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't play western games.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >PS3
          >games
          lel

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Sony recovered
          From what?
          >by putting out games
          Kek

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        PS3: expensive, tricky to dev for.
        Xbone: always online, frick you to everyone with a less than excellent connection, frick you to everyone who trades used games.

        Not the same thing.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          PS3 also had the high price point, the tech bloat, and those terrible ads early on

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sony recovered by putting out games.

        Nintendo Wii U and Playstation 3 were huge disasters. PS3 had games dumped on it in 2009 with the PS3 Slim, the Wii U on the other hand kinda had its lifesupport machine pulled when Nintendo Switch launched. Both took less than 10 years for Sony and Nintendo to rebrand and fix themselves.

        Phil Spencer, head of Xbox for 10 years with 40+ studios and Microsoft trillion funding, has been hard at work at sinking the Xbox brand further into the ground than Don Mattrick.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Xbox is the console that single dads buy for their kids

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        And then their kids freak out and cuss out their dad cause it's not a PS5

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Lmao
          >omg dad all my friends have a PS5, not a fricking Xbox. God man…

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    there's literally ZERO reason to buy one

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >couldn’t even port soulcalibur 4
      >didn’t port the old ass halos untainted by mcc
      Shame. Good project just gone for more GMA peas steam games

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        If you try to insert Halo 1 or Halo 2 disc into Xbone or Series X, it won't work. Microsoft really wants people to buy the MCC.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Didn't they say the currently backwards compatible titles would stay backwards compatible forever, and they just aren't working to get new titles added because of the licensing issues involved?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        They did. They did all the backward compatible games they could work on.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Burnout 3 was backwards compatible on the 360 but they never did it for the One/SX. Same with JSRF. Closing down their BC program without remembering to bring those game back is criminal negligence.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's because of how the backwards compatibility on the Xbox One/SX works compared to the 360. On the Xbox One/SX, it requires you to actually download the game along with a special emulator to run it, with the game disc just basically being a key. They can't do that without the proper permissions.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      it didn’t. i just played the 360 disc of halo wars on series X

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's just a cheap pc. Microsoft is releasing every game on PC. The console is quite literally only for poor people or those who want a "standard" feel to games.

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ps5 and xbox both have no games. People are buying ps5s from name brand recognition.

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The failure of the xbone to the PS4 allowed sony to completely recover from their near-death status around the PS3 era. PS5 came out with almost full PS4 BC, and the series X, meanwhile, after spending years talking about 360 and original xbox bc, scrapped the entire program.
    Just a weird fricking turn of events.
    also, ps5 is more powerful than series x, or at least, easier to develop for.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >after spending years talking about 360 and original xbox bc, scrapped the entire program.

      Wait so Xbox no longer has any BC? What the frick? I thought you could play anything from Xbox and 360 on an Xbone?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Series x and s are compatible with xbone and the same 360 and Xbox games as previously. They stopped adding games because they claim there are now right issues

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's completely RC with Xone and most of the important 360 games can be played as well, I bought Sonic Unleashed and Generations, they can be finally be played as intended more than 10 years later lol

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        It does, it plays almost every xbox original game with just inserting the disc and it then downloads the edited game. They discontinued the project to port games because there was really nothing major they could do anymore because

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          It plays 20 of the 500+ Xbox games. have a nice day you fricking lying shill. Post a webm of you right now putting in rainbow six raven shield into an Xbox series and see if it plays

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            muh raven shield

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        What do you mean by "scrapped the entire program"? Once a game is backwards compatible, it's not like it can lose that backwards compatibility. There is an official list of all 360 and OG xbox games that are BC so anyone can look it up. That list is massive and a bigger effort than any other console manufacturer has ever put into backwards compatibility. As a reference, you can't even play PS3 games natively on PS5, they all are streamed over the cloud. That's why Rockstar sold an overpriced "remake" of RDR1 earlier this year on Playstation whereis Xbox users can play the OG RDR1 from the 360 in 4k on the Series S.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          New to this convo, the backwards compatability is brilliant, games that are on it are superb, but the limit yo its contents is pretty atrocious. A bunch of shovelware is on it boosting the numbers, but forget anything licensed, ie Riddick, PGR, or anything that would genuinely benefit from it, ie Comdemned 2, JSRF which can't be played elsewhere

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Sure it sucks that not all games are BC, but it's kind of pointless to complain about it when nobody else on the console market has backwards compatibility that is anywhere close to that of current gen xbox. It's only natural that MS focused on the biggest and most popular OG Xbox and 360 titles and worked their way down the list in favor of the most popular titles over some of the more niche titles.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              That's a strong disagree for me. It's good, but they shouldn't get a free ride. It isn't great when it could be. They want us to buy their consoles, so it's on us to demand better.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >That's a strong disagree for me

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Also it definitely isn't the case of it just being more popular titles, the 360 list is like 50% XBLA shovelware and another 10% regular trash you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who played, and mu h harder anyone that wants to play it 15 years later

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Who cares if it also has all the games anyone actually wants to play though? It's quite difficult to find any popular AAA release from the 360 era that doesn't run BC on current gen xbox.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                so MS offers 8/10 backwards compatibility whereis Sony offers 2/10 backwards compatibility and Nintendo offers 1/10 backwards compatibility and you believe MS are the ones who should get the heat for lacking 10/10 backwards compatibility?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, I think people who buy a system are within their rights to voice their opinion when something isn't actually up to scratch.

                It isn't about being better than Sony or Nintendo, there are a multitude of reasons I don't own their consoles while I do an Xbox, it's about judging what the Xbox is offering on its own merits.

                I'm never going to buy a system because it's the best of 3, I'm always going to ask "is this worth buying" entirely independent to the competition. I'm tired of the constant "this does have to be better, because something else is worse".

                I like my xbox, but I want it to be better, it has full screen, obtrusive ads, it has paid online, it has a lacking backwards compatability. Do the others have all of those? Probably, but it doesn't mean you shouldn't want better from your product.

                I want free online.
                I want the half dozen games I actually can't play to be BC.
                I want to boot up my console and not have to close ads immediately.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                You can have all those things if you really want but it won't be on a console.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >PS5 came out with almost full PS4 BC, and the series X, meanwhile, after spending years talking about 360 and original xbox bc, scrapped the entire program.
      Other than being a Snoy, why did you word it like this? Xbox has full xbone backwards compatibility plus some 360 and OG xbox, whereas PS5 doesn't.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Cayse he's a a Snoy as you say thet don't run on logic.

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >xbox one was carried by the success of the 360
    >xbox series consoles don't have that benefit
    happens all the time, especially in gaming. a bad game can still sell well. the game after a bad game? that's where the impact of the bad game is felt. the sony leaks show most gamers still want to buy physical anyway, so the series s might as well not exist for those gamers. at that point why the frick do you buy an xbox if you care about physical?

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Its just a console, PS is an established brand with legacy and legendary exclusives while Xbox is working on it self to be that way i think. Ms announced somw vidya like Fable, Perfect Dark, Gears VI but its still waiting. Maybe if they release some quality titles should they get riding. Idk. Maybe. Plus they own bunch of studios, for what?

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >they have Gamepass. Why are they still struggling so badly?
    GamePass is a rent service. People want to own their games. Xbox is pushing hard for no game ownership. The market answers by not buying Xbox. The cult of Phil Spencer don't realize they are a minority and 3rd party publishers have no incentive to port games on Xbox. Phil Spencer is an idiot. End of thread.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >GamePass is a rent service. People want to own their games. Xbox is pushing hard for no game ownership. The market answers by not buying Xbox.
      It's going to be so funny when something large enough happens to make them realize all those digital games tied to "their" libraries are just rentals anyway and they own nothing.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >People want to own their games.
      >The market answers by not buying Xbox.
      https://www.tweaktown.com/news/93340/xbox-game-pass-made-230-million-revenue-in-one-month-most-users-pay-for-full-subscriptions/index.html
      >Xbox Game Pass made $230 million revenue in one month, most users pay for full subscriptions
      One month. Say it with me. One month.
      >b-b-b-but that's not real
      It's a publicly traded company they are required to disclose this information and not lie about it to investors.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Viral marketer the Xbox brand is collapsing under the weight of Phil Spencer's rent obsession. Sega Saturn tier levels of sales for the Xbox brand today.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          cope more

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Microsoft Admits Xbox Has 'Lost the Console Wars' as It Battles for $69 Billion Activision Blizzard Buyout
            Xbox "in third place" behind PlayStation and Nintendo, with a sales market share of 16%.
            It's over. Rent Plan failed for Spencer.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

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        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Seems like he has numbers and articles to back it up, where's yours?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        You realize PS+ has more subs than GamePass does, right? By over 10 million. Sony is getting all that plus game sales.

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >another thinly disguised snoy thread
    what a surprise

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Exclusives are literally everything in this industry, doesn't matter if your modern day Blockbuster. Phil must be slow in the head or something.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think it's because phil is a PC gamer. He thinks and acts like a PC gamer running a console company would.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        If that were the case he would be pumping out a frickton more games on PC that were pushing the edge in terms of tech instead of whatever the frick Starfield was supposed to be.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          In due fairness people b***h the series s is holding pc gaming back. Then they b***h that starfield and cyberpunk on pc need expensive gpus.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Series S is a $150 "1440p" (upscaled from 640p) console.
            GPUs being expensive has little to do with Microsoft.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >the series s is holding pc gaming back
            might be the most tech and business illiterate post in this thread

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not a single exclusive game.

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >‘Xbox has lost the console wars, and its rivals are positioned to continue to dominate,’ Microsoft said in its court filing, per The Verge. ‘Xbox has consistently ranked third in consoles behind PlayStation and Nintendo.’

  15. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I still think OG Xbox is better than Ps2 even though Sony won that round. Cycle of life LMFAO.

  16. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Salesgays are the worst. I mean, who the frick cares about any of this shit? They're making billions off of this crap.

  17. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's pretty amusing how they've been really slashing the price on the Series X. It's like $350 now. I think at Target you can get one for like $330.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Thank god too. Finally got one for my homosexual friend

  18. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's pretty easy to understand

    1)Xbox userbase is not console exclusive like Playstation (although they started to port games already) and Nintendo, everyone with a PC can enjoy gamepass

    2)Phil already mentioned it, they lost the most important generation in videogame history, the generation were people jumped from physical format to digital, it's really difficult for a Playstation user to change to Xbox since all their game library is on Playstation.

    3)Playstation marketing is just better since Sony is really dependent on their consoles selling well, Microsoft doesn't give a frick about Xbox for the most part, if Xbox disappears Microsoft doesn't suffer at all. Normies already associated gaming with Playstation.

    4)Hardcore gamers have no necessity in buying a Xbox, PC +Nintendo + PS is the ultimate hardware set up

    5)The media is a shill of Sony like the critics were shills for Disney not long ago, this creates the online discourse to be generally really positive for Sony and really negative for Microsoft.

    All points to Xbox consoles disappearing the next generation and Microsoft pushing gamepass as a service in every platform they can, they already said they want to bring gamepass to PlayStation and Nintendo

  19. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Never ever PC Laards!

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      rare replay is the one that hurts the most
      say what you want about ms but that shit is an insane collection of games

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        They even gave away Rare Replay a few years ago for free.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Felt good to be a Mixer chad.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Blue Dragon is coo and not listed therel. Phil Spencer would rather pay millions for gutter trash for SlopPassRental(tm) than go back to Xbox 360 era of making games. Phillip Spencer's pansion for not making games is unparalleled, the guy is proud of Redfall and Starfield.

  20. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Funny how Xbox One/Series X is just a PS3 in 2007 forever. Phil really is a clueless idiot.

  21. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Playstation 5 has sold 50 million, the Xbox Series combined sold 22 million something. And this is with Sony not making games and Nintendo Switch in its 6/7th year without a price drop. So what happens to Microsoft's now collapsed Xbox brand when Nintendo Switch 2 and Sony starts whipping their studios into releasing games? I guess Phil Spencer will blame difficulty times, challenging 10 years of fixing Don Mattrick's mistakes, and how he''s listening to the passionate community of 3rd worldies who bought his Rentbox Series S to play slops of the month.

  22. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    aftershocks from xbone
    who the frick is going to switch from a ps4 to a series X unless they're extemely poor and in dire need of gamepass? Most normies have all their libraries and friends on playstation so why the frick would you even switch? There's not a selection of great xbox only games (for now) that can tempt anyone either and we're midway into the gen already with nothing like that even announced while sony drops horizons, god of wars and spidermans every year, regardless of what you think of those games

  23. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Even complete failures of systems like the Wii U didn’t hurt the Switch.
    The Wii-U was mostly hurt by the 3DS and Nintendo's shitty advertising. The Wii-U would have sold way better if it got its own mainline Pokemon game.

  24. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What’s going on here?
    It would help Microsoft if Starfield was actually a really good, must own video game, and if a game like Redfall was actually good. I pirated Starfield and uninstalled it after a few hours, and I still felt "buyer's remorse".

  25. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I literally got a series s last week on sale with 3 months game pass for $200

    This quick resume thing is really top tier next gen sci fi shit they should bring that to PC and Playstation.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I wish more marketers like you attached more Asian b***hes with your posts. I want soemthing nice to look out

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Bioshock Infinite Artbook

      That seems to be a random choice to have on display

  26. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I know it will have a great December!
    $221 series x with series s trade in.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      if you haven't done it yet, check walmart, you can get a diablo 4 or forza 5 bundle for the same price without the trade in

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think you understand. I got a $200 xbox series x with my trade in at bestbuy. Walmart is $350.

  27. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The idea was get people to play in their ecosystem. Windows, Xbox, Mobile. Gamepass for all 3. Series S being a dirt cheap gamepass box. Then go extra israeli with proprietary ssd expansion.

  28. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because all first party games have been mediocre

  29. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Sony recovered from the bad first half of the PS3’s lifespan
    Sony had Japan as their lifeboat back then. Xbox hadn't penetrated that market so they basically had a free win, even when they were fricking around with $600 MSRP.
    I think it's important not to look at Xbox's failure as being like past console frick-ups. The timing matters. In the past, each new console generation was a fresh start. You could get ahead on release or on price or on library and be starting at about the same spot as your competition in terms of customer sentiment coming in. People looked at the Xbox 360 a lot more favorably over the PS3, even though the PS2 sold fricking 8X as well as the Xbox Original. Why? Because the PS3 was fricking overpriced and all the new hot games could be played on both systems.
    Nintendo recovered from the 3DS era because the Vita was a piece of shit nobody wanted to support due to the cost of development. And the Wii U didn't hurt the Switch because Nintendo is a 1st party driven company, you don't buy a Nintendo system for CoD and FIFA and GTA and Fortnite. By contrast, Xbox and Sony are both fighting for the same exact dollars spent on the same exact games, which means that one of them is going to win or lose. Nintendo exists in parallel with them but not in as direct competition

  30. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think it's mostly brand loyalty nothing to do with what product is better.

    Think of all the dumb Snoys who actually bought a ps portal and now watch this 1 minute video comparing it to Xcloud.

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    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      IT's more about just upgrading to the next unit within your existing ecosystem
      >buy 1000 songs on itunes
      >all playable only on iphone (don't know if this is true, just go with it)
      >new samsung phone looks cool, but doesn't play itunes songs
      >stay on iphone so you dont lose your songs (even if you don't listen to most of them most of the time)
      This is kind of one of the tenants of content platform expansion: you need to get as many people invested so they're entrenched and less likely to leave. It's the same principle of why people are often not very ready to leave their homes for a new job, even if it's a new job that is better. Because they've set down roots and have a lot established in their current neighborhood. Basic sunk-cost mentality.

      since you brought up apple, something both iphones and playstation have in common is that they're "cool". it's cool to own an iphone, it's cool to own a playstation, it's not as cool to own an android phone in comparison and it's very uncool to own an xbox.

      sony has done wonders with their branding and microsoft was ruined theirs, the og xbox? cool to own. the 360? incredibly cool to own. the magic was lost with the xbox one, it was no longer a cool device. you weren't cool if you own one. the series s is even worse. if you own one you're poor, it's the console for divorced men in their 30's or 40's that have to have pay child support. that's the brand image that microsoft has cultivated with the series s and gamepass and the second thing they probably need to do after releasing games is to fix that. the series x gets roped in because it's the same ecosystem.

      that's why black culture reveres the playstation though. it's cool, it's a status symbol like a good ass pair of shoes. xbox feels like that offbrand shit.

      There is a bit of brand prestige, it's a big reason why Playstation focuses so much on the 3rd person cinematic prestige games from their own studios. Because those have the greatest amount of prestige, at least from a marketing stand point
      Microsoft's issue is the same as always, since Steve Jobs said it best: they have no taste. Individual people may have taste (please some back Peter Moore) but as a corporate culture, they're way too enterprise Business-2-Business to have the cool factor that a game company needs.
      >the magic was lost with the xbox one
      It's so funny that they obsessed about TV when they were the first console to have Netflix with the 360. So fricking funny, genuinely.
      The Series S is kind of neat but it lacks the image in anyone's mind of being desirable to have
      > it's the console for divorced men in their 30's or 40's that have to have pay child support
      lmao
      But yeah. playstation have made themselves THE console to own if you have money or taste, at least in the minds of people
      That being said, I really like the xbox controller lab

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      lol i completely forgot about the ps portal's existance

  31. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Checked online stores today to see what the landscape was, thought about getting my brother a ps5. Xbox series x was $300 still in stock while all the full priced ps5s were out of stock.

  32. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    PS5 coasting to 50 million units worldwide with Sony on auto pilot with only movie games.
    Nintendo Switch fighting out there with its launch sticker price for 7 years and just throwing game after game.
    Xbox Series just there like a Magikarp proposing engagement metrics and other ponzi scheme names to get you to rent it.

    I'm much more in the market for a Steam Deck than Microsoft's shitty anti consumer products. Only thing I regret is my buying PS5 but one day it'll have games that aren't California movie shit I don't care about. That's OK, it's a dedicated PS4 slave machine for Bloodborne.

  33. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Does Xbox series have the smallest controller ever?

    I just got one and it's very light and comfy in my hands.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      They have just had so many revisions to the same design that it is pretty much perfected.

  34. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    shit tier momentum from last gen and their two big tentpole games (halo infinite/starfield) underperformed.

  35. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Most powerful console out there.
    >Knees capped by Series S existing.
    What the frick is wrong with Phillip Spencer. Baldurs Gate 3 was a PS5 console exclusive by default for months because of Spencer insisting on Shitbox S existing.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      More like Baldurs Gate 3 investors losing money because developers are too stupid to lower their quality settings to 800p and rush it out.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        That won't work, it'd need to be more like 600p to not drop to the fps to 20 in many cases.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Series X and PS5 versions of games are already dropping their internal resolution to 800p and just using FSR2 to compensate. The Series S has nothing to do with that, it's devs being absolutely moronic about wanting to use every new tool out of the box without considering if it's actually useful or beneficial. Raytracing is a good example, with most examples looking only marginally better but you're giving up maybe half of your framerate. Or fricking moronic particle tech that makes a frick-all difference to aesthetic appeal

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's the other way around, without the Series S, xbox sales would be half of what they are now and PLaystation would have an even easier time cutting them out of major games.
            75% of all Xboxes are Series S units. Likely because they're cheap but also because they're easier to make than Series X, they take 2/5 as many RDNA2 Compute Units than as Series X. Early in the PAndemic, they were able to sell well because they were able to fill in the demand while the PS5 was hard to acquire.
            If you were to cut out the Series S and focus that effort on the Series X, Xbox would have only sold 10-12 million Series X units atm and they'd be running a 1:4 ratio against PLaystation, not a 1:2 ratio.
            Also
            >Knees capped
            If devs cannot into Mesh shaders and Sampler feeedback streaming, they should be fired. The PS5 is, under the hood, more akin to a PS4 Pro 2. It has the same number of CUs and the PS5 API is very useful for running mega shaders against the overclocked cores. Without the Series S, devs would be getting even lazier than they are now
            Bottlenecks encourage creative solutions which scale up to more powerful systems

            I wouldn't be so hard on Series S if it was 1080p60FPs machine but it isn't even that. All adorably digital too, fricking Microsoft run by dipshits. They had a recipe for success with Series X and they said let's go full moron with the 3rd worldies Series S rent machine.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Some games are 1080p 60fps though it's completely up to the devs to focus on either performance or graphics or whatever.

              Also some devs are just lazy.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >They had a recipe for success with Series X
              again, it wouldn't have helped if they went all in on the Series X. They'd be running, at best, 10 million units and having to pay hand over fist for games just to not ignore them in favor of all-Playstation.
              The SEries S, by doubling their installbase, was the more sensible move. Without it and Game PAss, Xbox would be losing the fight against Playstation a lot faster and more definitively (as there would be no PC or cloud aspect to the business).
              >Series S if it was 1080p60FPs machine
              Anon, the Series X and PS5 are barely 1080p60FPS machines. The basic issue is that devs are just abhorrently shit at optimizing their games. We're still not away from the 1080p standard on the most premium machines. 1080p60FPS wasn't standard on the last gen machines, or the half-step upgrade, and it's only *just* barely the standard on AAA games on the SEries X and PS5 (if it's even offered as an option over 4K30FPS).
              Like if the Series X and PS5 can't swing 4K60FPS consistently, how could you ever expect the Series S to do 1080P60FPS consistently?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Missing the point Xbox marketer. The Xbox Series X is stronger than the PS5 and it wasn't allowed to have BG3 because Rentalbox Series X exists. I honesty don't get it, Xbox One X is stronger than Series S too.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >The Xbox Series X is stronger than the PS5 and it wasn't allowed to have BG3 because Rentalbox Series X exists
          And then when they did get it onto Series S, it turns out the optimizations make the game run better on systems with lower memory amounts.
          The idea of just making dizzingly more powerful consoles to satisfy increasingly incompetent and lazy engineers is a race to the bottom that I don't think should be entertained

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          The one x has a stronger gpu but not cpu than the series s. The series s and series x has the same cpu.

          That won't work, it'd need to be more like 600p to not drop to the fps to 20 in many cases.

          I just pulled 800p from my butt. 600p or whatever. Just get it to work. People always say consoles are holding back pc gaming. Then you look at how many people still have a GTX 1060 and it becomes a laughable argument.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's the other way around, without the Series S, xbox sales would be half of what they are now and PLaystation would have an even easier time cutting them out of major games.
      75% of all Xboxes are Series S units. Likely because they're cheap but also because they're easier to make than Series X, they take 2/5 as many RDNA2 Compute Units than as Series X. Early in the PAndemic, they were able to sell well because they were able to fill in the demand while the PS5 was hard to acquire.
      If you were to cut out the Series S and focus that effort on the Series X, Xbox would have only sold 10-12 million Series X units atm and they'd be running a 1:4 ratio against PLaystation, not a 1:2 ratio.
      Also
      >Knees capped
      If devs cannot into Mesh shaders and Sampler feeedback streaming, they should be fired. The PS5 is, under the hood, more akin to a PS4 Pro 2. It has the same number of CUs and the PS5 API is very useful for running mega shaders against the overclocked cores. Without the Series S, devs would be getting even lazier than they are now
      Bottlenecks encourage creative solutions which scale up to more powerful systems

  36. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Xbox does not see winning the console wars as the only way of winning anymore. With a floor of 30-50 million consoles sold a generation, they are sitting comfy right now as they have a massive library of games, new games coming out and expanding into mobile gaming too. Not to mention steam doing incredibly well helps with their dominance on PC.

    Consoles will always be made as an easy cheap entry point into gaming but Xbox does not see consoles as something worth putting massive amounts of money into any longer.

  37. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    You want the uncomfortable truth? The truth Ganker refuses to accept? Alright, I'll give it to you:

    Gamers are weeb homosexuals. MS is an American company. They want any and all American companies out of the gaming industry. Google, Apple, Microsoft, Epic, Valve. They want them all removed. These idiots would rather have Sega or Panasonic release consoles than Valve or Microsoft. It's 100% because Microsoft is an American company, if they were English, or German, or French, or Russian, or Chinese, or Indian, or Indonesian, or Greek, then it would be perfectly fine. America? Forget it, get them out of here.
    It was an uphill battle from the beginning. MS could put out a console with RTX 4090-like performance that plays literally every game ever made for $199 and it would still bomb. Because it's American.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I mean Sony is currently killing the Japanese part of its brand for no reason so they won't be much different soon, andif I was forced to pick from 2 game consoles that only play western goyslop games I would pick the Xbox over the Playstation.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Xbox just scooped up many ex-playstation japan people and are using them to get more japanese games made for it.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Realistically, it's too little and too late when everything is multiplat now. Sony had the benefit of being dominant in the last gen before everything went fully multiplat. Microsoft isn't fighting for exclusives, they're fighting to not have their console completely ignored so it can actually get the games arriving on PC, Switch, and PS.

  38. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Freq is always better than more cores given same peak perf.

  39. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >the biggest video game company on the planet is a collapsed brand according to Ganker

    What the hell are you Black folk smoking? Ever since they were allowed to buy activision blizzard, they are no longer struggling but in the top 3 biggest video game companies.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      It is going to be insane once COD becomes a XB exclusive. Even for the next few years when it is still on the PS ecosystem, MS is basically going to be fricking Sony's wife in their own bed.

  40. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    every game runs terribly on it compared to playstation. it doesnt have exclusives like the ps3 had to save it for weebs

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the ps3 had to save it for weebs
      More like the PS3 had an existing presence in Japan that Xbox couldn't hope to accomplish.

  41. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    it's the Sbox. the 360 had an Arcade SKU which shipped without a HDD. it was $100 cheaper which made it very appealing as a gift and helped immensely with establishing the 360 install base before the launch of PS3. you could say that it was in fact the not-so-secret weapon that allowed xbox to dominate the early half of the generation. like the Sbox, third parties were required to support xboxes with no storage - even if it just meant disabling all save features. you could not make installation a requirement and your game had to meet load time limits even from disc.

    ms was probably trying to accomplish the same thing with the Sbox, only in the current marketplace you cannot ship a console without storage or other critical features. so instead of leaving something out, they used cheaper, lower-performing hardware to create the price gap. however, disabling saves or spacing out loading screens is not the same as having to downport a game engine. it's too big of an ask from third parties when you are not providing the additional funds for it to happen, and your platform has been a distant second in the last generation.

    but here's the greatest failure of all. we see that ms isn't afraid to sink tons of money just to bank on some kind of advantage. and we know the purpose of the Sbox is to lower the cost of entry. putting 2 and 2 together, we could conclude, very obviously, that if microsoft was willing to burn money just to get people onto xbox, the most effective thing they could have done was *simply subsidize the Xbox at Sbox pricing without creating as second SKU*. this is, after all, how the industry originally worked. the cash is obviously not a problem for ms since their other solutions are also just throwing money at xbox to create value. they've clearly spent far more than $100 per user by now. but this move would seriously impact sony's budget even if they were able to match price. they'd have no money left for first party.

  42. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    DOA with the name Xbox series x. You have to be incredibly out of touch to approve that.

  43. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The ps5 is a symphony of console technology while the Xbox is built like a regular pc and treated as such

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      The frick? They're both fricking fugly gimped locked down PCs.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >always have been

  44. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Idk ask Phil “making good games won’t bring people to the platform” Spencer

  45. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Playstation is a japanese console made by japanese people with japanese games. Americans will never understand gaming unlike the Japanese.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Playstation is a japanese console
      Wrong
      >made by japanese people
      wrong
      >with japanese games
      also wrong

  46. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I bought a PS5 mainly for Spider-Man, God of War, Horizon and Final Fantasy. What the hell should I buy an Xbox for? Starfield was apparently a dumpster fire and I haven’t given a shit about Gaylo or Queers in over a decade. They need games.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >God of War, Horizon and Final Fantasy
      holy buyer's remorse, batman
      I got a ps5 for ff16, it was fine but jesus i wish i just waited for the pc version. i was afraid id get spoiled on a half decent story but i could have just skipped it outright.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Those three are all excellent games.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Those three are all excellent games.
          yes anon, we get it, you'll be here all week, you don't need to fire off your punchlines like that

  47. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The only console with less games than PS5 and its moronic little brother the Series S keeps everyone from going on the fun rides.

  48. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    They don't really try. Their advertising budget seems small. It's a side project for Microsoft. Xbox is now designed to be a gateway to PC gaming and Gamepass. They even want to put Gamepass on Playstation and Ninetendo someday. They don't obsess about hardware units sold that much. The console is nearly non-existent in Japan and Europe, but it won the US by a slim margin. They seem happy with that for some reason.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      They did go on a big apology tour after Redfall failed and Starfield was so divisive though. It’s clear that they aren’t untouchable

  49. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Phil has addressed this. 8th gen was the worst generation to lose because everyone has large digital libraries that lock them into one ecosystem. The 110 million people who bought PS4s are going to stick with Playstation for the backwards compatibility. There's really not much Microsoft can do but keep buying studios and doubling down on gamepass.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Phil has addressed this. 8th gen was the worst generation to lose because everyone has large digital libraries that lock them into one ecosystem.
      It's just a meme. The Xbone was way better than the Wii U. But the Switch sold way more than the Series

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nintendo is not directly competing with Xbox and Playstation.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Xbox is not directly competing. They are the only ones that launch their games on other consoles.

  50. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I will care when they buy Sega and make Shin Megami Tensei/Persona and Etrian Odyssey exclusive

  51. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    they arent stop listening to black playstation fans on twitter

  52. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Now I understand where all this recent shilling and coping is coming from.
    https://www.techspot.com/news/101280-ps5-outsells-xbox-series-3-1-20203-surpassing.html

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >were not going to talk about console sales anymore, because we’re just not, ok.
      >look how many goypass users are on PC instead
      kek

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nothing's changed and nothing will unless they start buying studios left and right and getting the rights of CoD/FIFA exclusively on xbox. It's the only way to make people who've been playing on playstations for the past 10 years to even think about switching

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        The plan to buy FIFA so they can frick over sony in Europe ain't gonna work cuz EA and FIFA split up and there will now be 2 games going forward.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Nuying "FIFA" means nothing. It's about buying EA
          EA doesn't even have the FIFA license anymore, they just release EA football and that's enough to keep normies in place. MS would have to buy EA AND maybe figure things out with FIFA too if they want the full package. It's a frickton of money and quite the gamble but they could do it
          That's the only way for MS to win; playing dirty and buying out the competition, much like the simpsons predicted. I'm all for it if it means sony stepping up their game and maybe coming back to its japanese roots

  53. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because virtually everything you could buy an Xbox for can be played on a PC or elsewhere for better quality and roughly the same price and ease of use. Gamepass is a joke. Xbox went from being a cool game console to budget computer brand.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >cool game console
      Cringe

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >roughly the same price
      Good luck once your CPU and GPU get outdated.

  54. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I thought xbox was popular with normies and PS5 sucked wiener, how is it doing poorly? Is it just losing to PC/switch or something?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I thought xbox was popular with normies and PS5 sucked wiener
      Other way around

      Now I understand where all this recent shilling and coping is coming from.
      https://www.techspot.com/news/101280-ps5-outsells-xbox-series-3-1-20203-surpassing.html

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      It only exists in North America (and in US/Mexico it's actually winning)

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >(and in US/Mexico it's actually winning)
        This hasn't been true since the Xbone days. Series X lags behind Sony and Nintendo in every major territory.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Sex beat ps5 in NA. Probably lost to switch though

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nope.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            There's no way the Series X is beating it. Series S and X combined might be close though.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Black person

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                *tongues your anus*

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nope

            Now I understand where all this recent shilling and coping is coming from.
            https://www.techspot.com/news/101280-ps5-outsells-xbox-series-3-1-20203-surpassing.html

            Not even close.

            >were not going to talk about console sales anymore, because we’re just not, ok.
            >look how many goypass users are on PC instead
            kek

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Xbox is only really doing well in America. As for the rest of the world it's the PS5.

            It only exists in North America (and in US/Mexico it's actually winning)

            I thought xbox was popular with normies and PS5 sucked wiener, how is it doing poorly? Is it just losing to PC/switch or something?

            The Xbox 360 was leading and trading blows with PS3 only in USA. The Xbox Series is outsold by PS5 exactly 2:1 in USA. And Europe the Xbox brand is outsold 18:1 in every European country except maybe UK (2:1). The Xbox days of beung competitive are over under Phil Spencer, even the Xbox One sold better than Series S and X. By every metric in every country the Xbox brand is behind Sony and extremely distant behind Nintendo, whose 2017 underpowered console has outsold the Xbox One, Series S, and Series X for 7 consecutive years.

            Phil Spencer let it all happen.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              I'm still astonished how Phil still has a fricking job. Dude spent a billion dollars on starfield

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Literally all he needs to do is order them to make New Vegas 2. Then he becomes a genius visionary.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Todd and Booty will never let it happen.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Todd is leaving soon and has millions of Microsoft stock after the buyout.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Todd isn't leaving anytime soon. He is basically the Fallout and Elder Scrolls guy at this point, and every game before Fallout 4 might as well be non canon at this point.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Regardless they know people want New Vegas 2. Not giving it to them is just saying we don't want your money. If I was Microsoft I would order them to do it right now. No elder scrolls until it is done.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                They're working on a Fallout 3 remake and a Oblivion remake. Im sure they'll work on New vegas remake in the future once those are out.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                People want a sequel not a remake.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >They're working on a Fallout 3 remake
                >remake
                So they're going to make the game worse, graphics aside.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                I think they might be waiting to see if they can engender some interest in the Fallout IP again after 76 kind of torched

                >he does all this shit
                Sounds like he's busy with that & doesn't have the time to focus on making sure the studios they own aren't destroying their reputation.

                Well, as the other anon mentioned, that would be something he delegates. Typically, publishers will send a producer or executive producer to oversee the direction and progress of a studio that's making a game on their dime. There are some really good Iwata Asks about this.
                The basic issue is that even if Xbox does seem to have a guy doing that on these studios, they aren't reacting to any of the info they get. Normally, if a studio is having issues, the higher ups try to remove whatever is causing those issues (presuming it's not an issue they're causing in the first place). So let's say maybe it's a technical issue due to a lack of familiarity with new technology. The higher ups could bring in a specialist in that tech or maybe set aside time for someone to train in that technology. OR even decide they need to drop that from their tech stack and adjust course, whilst adjusting their timetables for how long it would take to deprecate it from their current development pipeline and expectations

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                They don't want your money. As long as Fallout is in Bethesda's hands New Vegas will never, ever get a sequel or remake. Any remake will just be "Fallout 3 but what if it was in Fallout 4". The franchise might as well just be called Fallout 4 now, just look at how they're handling the TV show.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Todd doesn't get to decide that anymore but the really problem is that the obsidian that made new vegas is long gone.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                He spent $7 billion on Zenimax. There's some good stuff there but he really needs to stop doing this hands-off shit and get some people into these studios to report directly back to him. People who have no stake in the success of the studio and whose only job is to be honest.
                Like, if Xbox forced Todd and BGS to fire Emil and put someone else in charge, there's a good chance that ES6 might actually be good
                But he would need to step in and demand that someone come to task for Starfield underperforming like crazy

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >he really needs to stop doing this hands-off shit and get some people into these studios to report directly back to him.
                I honestly don't even know what phil does beyond scheme over what studio he's going to blow microsoft money money on. That's really all he's done besides overseeing first party disasters since he took mattricks place.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                He manages the overall division. So when you look at Xbox's hardware side, their manufacturing relationships, their relationships with other studios, listening to the reports from the heads of different studios and adjusting where and when to release games, green-lighting projects, planning and negotiating with third parties for exclusivity deals or big Game Pass deals. That's all Phil. Even if he's not getting into the nitty gritty of individual studios, the Xbox division's day-to-day tasks and decision making still require someone at the driver's wheel
                The acquisition stuff is just the most public shit but there's a metric ass load of logistical and managerial shit he takes care of with the platform and brand itself

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                He just delegates those tasks to his subordinates and other Xbox leads

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Sure but even the task of delegating is a job in of itself. You ever play Dwarf Fortress or the like?
                Not to say he's the best executive or manager or the most competent. Just that his role does have responsibilities and ultimately there are decisions he has to make on things. How much to spend on certain divisions, what the head count for the next quarter on R&D should be, how many more hardware units to order for retail vs cloud, where should they be focusing more of their advertising push, etc, etc
                Middle management is bloated in most corporations but usually there is at least one guy who does make decisions for a division and they do serve that purpose of steering the ship, for good or ill

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >he does all this shit
                Sounds like he's busy with that & doesn't have the time to focus on making sure the studios they own aren't destroying their reputation.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Microsoft micromanaging their studios is precisely why they killed all their studios during the xbox generation and why developers do not want to work with them.
                MS letting them do what they want and giving them money and time to release is a better strategy in the long run.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                they won't win anything cause they dont even check in or manage the games during development lol. god of war 2018 was a literal piece of shit until the head of playstation went to santa monica studios and said 'this is a piece of unplayable shit' and then the studio fixed the game after the feedback. microsoft just lets the morons run the asylum, and they'll keep running it. they could care less.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Well and the crux is actually building trust and relationships with studios so that they can work together. It starts with a leap of faith and giving some of the studios the chance to spread their wings.
                The real issue is responding to failures appropriately and not fricking up a good thing when it's going well

                they won't win anything cause they dont even check in or manage the games during development lol. god of war 2018 was a literal piece of shit until the head of playstation went to santa monica studios and said 'this is a piece of unplayable shit' and then the studio fixed the game after the feedback. microsoft just lets the morons run the asylum, and they'll keep running it. they could care less.

                They do check in but they get most of their check-in from the heads of the studios. So a good example is the shit with Redfall. According to foot-soldier engineers and QA types, they were all hoping Microsoft would scrap or reboot the project as a single player game, but the heads of the studios basically muted all that feedback and just told Microsoft that everything was going fine.
                The basic issue is that Microsoft needs to put their own people in as listeners, keep a finger on the pulse from bottom to top. It's clear they can't trust the heads of the studios themselves to relay concerns from the ground level

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >they were all hoping Microsoft would scrap or reboot the project as a single player game, but the heads of the studios basically muted all that feedback and just told Microsoft that everything was going fine.
                So they didn't play the game? kek

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Who, Microsoft? They do but what often happens is that when a game is in a rough state, the studio head will give an assurance that it'll be better at launch. They give a make-good essentially.
                Remember how Sony knew that cyberpunk was coming in hot and CDPR basically said "don't worry, all those performance issues and bugs will be handled on release" to get past certification?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                The difference is Sony doesn't control or have any real authority over CDPR, and it was on their competitors console too. Cert is really only for bugs and glitches not gameplay or presentation. Microsoft has actual access and say over Arkane Studios no matter how much they want to pretend otherwise.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >MS asked arkane if they needed any help
                >they said they were fine
                >have full trust of them since redfall was supposed to be one of the major releases of the year
                >Arkane tricked them hard

                Who's to blame now? Certainly not microsoft.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                How is Microsoft not to blame? It's literally their fricking studio!
                >since redfall was supposed to be one of the major releases of the year
                That just makes it even worse. MS would have known it was in a dire state had they actually looked at it before release

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Oh they absolutely do. My only point is that studios will often try to appease publishers or platform-holders that they'll have everything ready at launch, even if the 2-weeks-to-launch version is flaming dogshit.
                Microsoft should definitely have had their own game in the studio to report on how things were going, there's no debate about that

                How is Microsoft not to blame? It's literally their fricking studio!
                >since redfall was supposed to be one of the major releases of the year
                That just makes it even worse. MS would have known it was in a dire state had they actually looked at it before release

                It's hard to blame the victim of a lie for believing someone who has not lied to them before.
                But Microsoft is a corporation, only the paranoid survive and they need to at least keep trustworthy eyes inside their own studios, if only to understand who is telling the truth in leadership and who's a bullshit artist

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Microsoft
                >the victim of a lie
                Just listen to yourself.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not Microsoft but Phil and the higher ups at Xbox.
                It's clear they're okay with delaying a game if they think it needs some work. And if they thought the devs wanted to reboot it or cancel it, I wager they would have done so before announcing it literally right after the acquisition closed up a few E3s ago.
                The idea that Xbox knew how fricked this game was the entire time and then just released would suggest they're trying to suicide the division. the more likely explanation is that the devs were trying to obfuscate just how rough it was and what state it would release in. And when it came out, the shit hit the fan and it became clear that the hands-off, zero-meddling policy might not be working out

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                The obvious explanation is that Phil and the Xbox division as a whole are just incompetent when it comes to assessing games. Redfall wasn't just some one off either, it's been this way ever since Phil took over. These are the same people who wrote off this year's GOTY as a "second rate Stadia RPG"

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Oh I agree there's incompetence in Xbox but in this situation, we know that even internally in Xbox, they were guessing that Redfall would be a 7/10 critically.
                I do think that Phil and the current leadership of Xbox has no taste. I think I could do their job better.
                But the specific situation with Arkane is clearly also a case of the leadership lying about the actual enthusiasm and interest internally for the game. As with a lot of studios, they tried to wing it with some '[Studio Name here] Magic' and hope to god it comes together in the final product.
                The things I pin on Xbox and Phil are shit Starfield being boring as sin or 343i butchering Halo for years or the Crackdown 3 shit.
                But there's not much you can do if your subordinates lie to you about whether everything is okay or not other than fire them when the shit hits the fan

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >they were guessing
                They didn't play the game

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Im guessing they did. And they were told that at least on the technical front, the game would be more polished.
                The bigger issue here isn't whether they're playing the games they're making (I assume they are, it's standard practice, even at EA or ubisoft).
                The bigger issue is that they refuse to be willing to get involved with the studios to do things that will push the games to be better or at least more popular.
                I think Phil's laissez faire policy is fundamentally the wrong one, it's too far in the other direction and it wouldn't be such a big deal if they weren't also burning money on huge acquisitions

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm convinced Xbox fans live in an alternate reality where whenever anything bad happens to Xbox they have zero agency and it's not their fault. Xbox sells less consoles than Playstation and Nintendo? Not their fault, digital libraries forced people to not buy Xbox. Xbox games come out bad or mediocre at best? Not their fault, they were just bamboozled by their own dev studios. The Xbox tax, etc. An entire brand revolving around a victim complex.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >in the long run.
                lemme know when letting 343 rape halo's corpse, a corpse that was created by 343 themselves, whatever dev is putting female leads in a series about roided out men killing monsters & bethesda continuing to strip away the things that made their games popular starts paying off for them, we're ten years out from the xbone with nothing to show for it.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      PS4 had a super strong lead, and since the PS5 carries over your existing PS4 library 1:1 (correct me if I’m wrong) and the XSX having no exclusives worth a damn to normies, it’s an easy decision

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Xbox is only really doing well in America. As for the rest of the world it's the PS5.

  55. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Microsoft should've killed 343 after the MCC debacle if not earlier, they should've expanded their backwards compatibility into a straight up emulator that can play any xbox disc & they shouldve did more to get decent games on their system. Their exclusives either suck, because the legacy devs are gone, or they're not system sellers so they're basically just a copy of playstation with nothing to differentiate them. Worse they're following sony's lead in promoting homosexual shit & censorship instead of leaning into their old edgy 360 era image.
    Now they're just buying out the slop to gatekeep sony except the one IP that will actually make money is on sony's system for ten fricking years & with few exceptions the others are complete trash with dying fanbases.
    I guess the plan is to just hang on for a decade until they can make COD totally exclusive to xbox because bethesda & blizzard/activision isn't doing shit for the brand. All they have is gamepass with a small install base which I guess is working for them if they're to be believed but even if that's true I don't know if that justifies R&D of a new console. Ten more years of being a gamepass machine & banking on COD seems like a risky strategy but if it works then it works, from a consumer perspective it's pretty fricking grim.

  56. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Xbox is just playstation except without your existing ps4 library and less japanese games. There is absolutely no incentive to switch over. Maybe microsoft should try a bit harder if they want to win people over.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Xbox is convinced making good games doesn't matter, just buying and rent seeking as many IPs as they can.

  57. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I STILL don't know off the top of my head which model is which. Whoever came up with the names deserves to be fired.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >s = shit
      >x = x-tremely cool

      Glad I could solve that for you.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Screenshot this post & send it to phil, tell him this is your resume for head of xbox marketing since you just conveyed in simple terms what they have been unable to do since the xbox one x came out.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Xbox One
      >Xbox One S
      >Xbox One X
      >Xbox Series X
      >Xbox Series S
      Lmao its actually a worse frickup than the 3ds vs new 3ds. How is an uninformed person supposed to know that the series consoles are a completely different system and that the series X is significantly more powerful?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        You forgot the Xbox One SAD edition

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Well it isn't that bad given only the last 2 are in stores. That said I bet the next one is Xbox Pro after the Xbox Series X 2 TB digital

  58. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    no one wants xbox

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I just bought the Series X 😉

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I just bought a dragon dildo 😉

  59. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >There's no universe where releasing good exclusives makes us win
    You're a fricking c**t phil

  60. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    To be fair both Microsoft AND Sony are doing terribly. The PS5/SeriesX offer literally nothing your older PS4/Bone can't do. They cost half a thousand dollars and offer no appreciable difference in graphics or performance. The technological diminishing returns that began with the PS3/360 have finally reached the breaking point.
    Everyone, regardless of whether they were a Microsoft or Sony fanboy, just stayed with their old system instead of upgrading.
    Nintendo was actually smart for once when the failure of the Gamcube made them realize that chasing graphics and tech specs was far less important than offering a feature that could sell systems that their competitors could not replicate with software. Sometimes that backfires like with the WiiU and it's iPad controller, but more often than not it's worked like with the DS's two screens+touch, the Wii's motion controls, and the Switch's hybrid handheld/console.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      this is completely false.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wrong

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          You're wrong.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the Switch's hybrid handheld/console.
      I don't get why they don't make a console only version that shaves the cost of the screen off, nobody I know who has a switch ever undocks it except to swap cartridges. I guess they don't need to but there's definitely a market for it.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not really. There are more people who play switch undocked than docked. The cost of the screen itself is marginal and people will except a power increase from a console only version over the hybrid and lite versions. There's no real market for it.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >There are more people who play switch undocked than docked.
          I don't doubt this given their consoles were flopping outside the lightning in bottle wii but this
          >The cost of the screen itself is marginal
          no way, nvidia themselves sell shields for $100 less for the pro & $150 less for one gig less ram, the oled model has an even more stark price difference. They could make a tiny black box with the same inputs & cartridge slot for basically half the price if they wanted to.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You underestimate the insane margins Nintendo makes on the Switch. Even the oled model does not cost significantly more to produce than the OG one. The dock itself has less than $5 worth of parts surrounded by a plastic mold. There's no universe where Nintendo sells a non-portable Switch at a lower price than the Switch lite let alone the dockable models.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >it'd cost them more to make a screenless black box with the same chip inside
              I doubt it but I understand why they did what they did

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                It wouldn't cost them more, but it wouldn't cost them significantly less either. And like others anon have said, there's no market for a console-only Switch without a real performance boost.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I play it undocked, and never used my dock.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I don't get why they don't make a console only version that shaves the cost of the screen off
        It wouldn't sell nearly as well and it also wouldn't be more powerful since it still has to use the same chipset.
        There are people who will use an ARM device in handheld all the time (see: Switch Lite) but I doubt there are any people who would use an ARM device that needs to be hooked up to an external monitor to work
        The only market for a Console-Only Switch is if it's more powerful and it really can't be with the current chipset. Maybe the Switch 2 will be designed in a way where a home-console version could have beefier hardware without requiring extra dev resources (maybe overclock it??). But currently, a home-only, overclocked Switch would not be noticeably more powerful than a normal hybrid Switch

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >made them realize that chasing graphics and tech specs was far less important than offering a feature that could sell systems that their competitors could not replicate with software.
        As I said, Nintendo's entire business model at this point is banking on having some feature that Playstation and Xbox can't replicate no matter how powerful they are. Microsoft and Sony have tried to release things like their own Wiimote clone or that "Playstation Q" Switch clone that they're trying. But by doing those they've already fallen into Nintendo's trap. Because those are peripherals, not the base system. And they did and will fail for the same reason the 32X did, people will not spend $100-$200 dollars for an "enhancement" when the base system was supposed to be last till the next console generation.
        Call them "Gimmicks" if you must but they're what keeps Nintendo in business.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >but they're what keeps Nintendo in business.
          Handhelds & games is what keeps them in business, the gimmicks paid off for the ds & wii one time & then cost them dearly with the wii u. Aside from the switch plugging into the tv it's a very safe & traditional handheld, they didn’t go full moron forcing a gimmick down people's throats this time around & not surprisingly it paid off. Hopefully they understand that & don't frick up the next one with some pointless forced gimmick.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >it's a very safe & traditional handheld
            It costs $300 with $60 games and doesn't fit into your pocket.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >it cost $200 less than the other consoles & is the size of a 7 inch tablet which is very radical & gimmicky
              right

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                For 2017 it was radical and gimmicky yeah. The other consoles aren't portables.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >For 2017 it was radical and gimmicky yeah
                If the 3ds & the wii u wasn't being replaced I might agree but it was, both those systems had pointless gimmicks that were a hindrance to what they were designed to do & were both considered overpriced for what they were. Meanwhile the switch combined both those markets into one for a very palatable price with no forced gimmicks beyond a handful of people who only wanted it to be a home console. For the first time since gamecube you could buy a nintendo console pick up a regular controller & play games & since the 3ds you weren't paying extra for something that existed solely as a throwaway gimmick that added nothing to regular gaming experience. It's about as traditional as nintendo has gotten in a decade & was a very deliberately safe design choice to avoid pissing off or confusing anybody.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                3DS and Wii U had much worse gimmicks but "$300 tablet hybrid with $60 games" was not safe and traditional.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >$300 home console that doubles as a gaming tablet with no forced gimmicks wasn't safe
                What a hill to die on.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's not a home console.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >it's only a gaming table-ACK!
                rest in spaghetti never forghetti

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Epic argument there

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >but they're what keeps Nintendo in business.
          Handhelds & games is what keeps them in business, the gimmicks paid off for the ds & wii one time & then cost them dearly with the wii u. Aside from the switch plugging into the tv it's a very safe & traditional handheld, they didn’t go full moron forcing a gimmick down people's throats this time around & not surprisingly it paid off. Hopefully they understand that & don't frick up the next one with some pointless forced gimmick.

          I'm neither of you but the question around Gimmicks is sort of ambiguous. It's clear that Nintendo's first party output is a big driver of their success, 80% of their software sold is first party. But the question about hardware gimmicks is up in the air because it's not clear if they could release an outright underpowered handheld with no gimmick and still achieve the kind of attention they get off of their library alone.
          The proof I give of this is the performance of the handful of nintendo games on the app stores for ios and android. they aren't particularly high earners or highly played on Mario Run or Animal Crossing. So it's not clear if there's really that much interest in Nintendo on a more typical handheld device

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I'm going to to ignore that you said games after handhelds & then imply a handheld plugging into a tv is a gimmick that sells consoles
            Maybe in a vacuum plugging into a tv is a gimmick but this is nintendo we're talking about & their handhelds have always been successful, they've dominated the market since gameboy. Also if we're gonna pretend that people who play candy crush are the same audience as those playing mario wonder then the nintendo first party game sales are abject failures. Finally I said games in addition to handhelds, unlike sony & microsoft they actually release games instead of movies masquerading as games which is ironically very traditional which is no doubt a big selling point for them now & going forward. As long as they don't force something stupid on a future console they're poised to print money indefinitely releasing ever more powerful switches.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >They cost half a thousand dollars and offer no appreciable difference in graphics or performance
      no fricking game runs at 60fps on ps4 and much less the bone lmao
      also DeS remake looks better than the best ps4 has to offer and that was day 1. Exclusives made solely for ps5 at the end of its life cycle will look and run ten times better
      That said you're right regardless. Sony is barely releasing one exclusive per year; there's literally nothing out and we're half way into the gen

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >DeS remake looks better than the best ps4 has to offer
        Really? It looks like devs had taken a "everything is dark" pill and called it a day. And sure, it looks nice in static but what really got worse since the original is animation. The way different animations transition looks off compared to the original. It was clear in early gameplay vids and they still didn't fix it in the final release. And at the end of the day, the original still plays nice and the remake doesn't improve anything the original had. I hope seething homosexuals thinking that old is bad will get their bleach shot soon

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          why the frick are you talking about how it "plays"? I'm strictly talking about how it looks. Have you seen that shit live? slap on HDR on a nice TV and it is an orgasmic experience, even 3 years later

  61. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I've switched to Xbox this gen after being a Sony pony since PS1 (portables included). Don't regret it in a slightest. I have no idea why Sony wins, their high-budget AAA exclusive schlock is a massive waste of time, the console design is shit and their subscription offerings and attempts to include backward compatibility titles are laughable. Guess people love their le gameplay looppeses and babbi-tier challenges.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      PC gamers like Playstation because many of their games aren't on pc. Where most of xbox ones are.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        At the moment the only really interesting game like that I can think of is Final Fantasy XVI. And that one will get a PC release within next year or so. I mean, who'd get a console for shit like Basedderman 2 which is basically another open world grindfest comprised of everything you've already seen somewhere else?
        I'd say that Ratchet was a nioce reason but it's got a PC port now and having played it I can say it's literally the same as A Crack in Time, no really fresh ideas. Well, at least it's better than bland remake on PS4. It was terrible.

  62. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    From a bystander's viewpoint, Xbox has positioned themselves well and made all the right moves in order to gain dominance in the video games market. The fact that anons here think they're a failure works to their advantage and they are gonna be extremely surprised in 5-10 years when Xbox becomes the top gaming company in this space.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think they'll be top but the real issue is that I still think that nobody at Microsoft has any taste. Phil and Sarah seem nice but they need a PEter Moore, someone with a critical eye for quality to actually head the place.
      Phil is like Geoff, a little too nice and fellating for his own good

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >From a bystander's viewpoint
      you fooling no one homie lmao

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >microsoft bought call of duty & when their 10 year agreement ends they're going to rape sony with exclusivity & everyone will be surprised
      True.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      They haven't made a good game in years and their only real "moves" they've made is to buy up IPs and push GaaS as hard as possible.

  63. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    who the frick wants an xbox when it costs the same as a ps5

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      IDK man, I'm never gonna buy a PlayStation again and I've owned them all until this generation. It is what it is. I've played enough Spider-Man movie games, already. I'm good.

  64. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's not the main reason, but splitting the console into two options with the S and X was fricking idiotic. The naming convention needs to make sense to grandmothers and absent fathers, who drop into GameStop yo buy something for little Timmy.

  65. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    They were on sale for $350 a ton of people will be getting an Xbox for Christmas.

  66. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically is the naming convention killing them?
    >Playstation is just 1/2/3/4/5
    >Nintendo is wacky but that's their charm
    >xbox has moronic names, hard to tell which console is the new one (series s/x especially stupid because it makes one seem new and the other old)

  67. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >snoy studios flopping
    >tlou 2 multiplayer cancelled
    >live service future grim
    >singleplayer moviegames are all marvel slop
    no wonder the snoys are spamming xbox hate threads lmao

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      xbox cope

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        insomniac leak shows how all their stuff is garbage

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          $300 million for spiderman vs $70 BILLION for Call of Duty

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            70 billion for a non-exclusive game thats mostly on playstation lmfao

  68. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because its a boring and soulless console with no interesting and colorful games. Most games don't even get a physical release for the Xbox since the advent of gamepass and the series S being all digital. At least the original xbox and xbox 360 is worth getting and collecting games for those systems. Modern Microsoft is just pozzed and soo obsessed with quantity of quality. They rather spend 50+ billion to have call of duty than spend money making simple triple AAA or double AA games like in the og xbox and early 360 games.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >They rather spend 50+ billion to have call of duty than spend money making simple triple AAA or double AA games like in the og xbox and early 360 games.

      They're doing both though. They have the money for it and that's what they're doing.

  69. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's too late.
    They lost the most important generation. Everybody already invested in their ps4 library.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      No one gives a frick about their PS4 library. People buy consoles to play call of duty and 2k/madden. All those games run significantly better on ps5 even though Xbox fricking owns COD now. the system is just complete shit. People love to record game clips and the Xbox can't even record past a minute. The ps5 can record the last 24 hours.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Xbox is going to dominate next gen if Sony can't get their shit together. They've destroyed ALL of their 1st party dev studios and, man, Square isn't doing great right now. So, Sony will have to compete directly with Xbox on streaming and will have to shell $$$$$ out to get more exclusives. (Which is honestly what caused Xbox to get this vindictive in the first place) This cuts HEAVILY into their profits, which is why Microsoft is doing this. As revenge. Sony was taking a loss on PS4s and I don't know anybody that's talking about the new Slim. Xbox takes losses on their consoles too, but the goal for the last 2 gens was to get to this point.. Next gen is gonna either save gaming, or kill it for 15 years.

      The only important generation is the one where you innovate. I don't care for non-physical media, but even I am okay with gamepass... It's kinda nice, actually. I played though a bunch of shit I had never gotten around to just because it was right in front of me. It made me game *more.* Which is, honestly, kinda terrifying.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >They've destroyed ALL of their 1st party dev studios
        Not really.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Turn 10
          >Playground Games
          >Coalition
          >343
          >Rare
          >BETHESDA
          any more i missed?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, Arkane

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            playground and turn 10 are doing fine. And the coalition, while not as solid as epic, is doing about as well as they were since the took over the Gears franchise
            343i also can't be destroyed because it was never good in the first place, not a single one of their halo games is even a 7/10
            Also, Bethesda destroyed themselves. I'm not going to sit here and say that Starfield would have been soooooo much better if they were still being published by Zenimax.
            If anything, it would have come out earlier and buggier
            The only studios they objectively destroyed were Rare and Lionshead.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >turn 10 are doing fine
              stopped reading right there

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                I usually wait for 2 frick ups before declaring a studio dead. Forza 7 was pretty decent, so I'll wait to see if the next game is a dud.

                Gears and Halo are dead man.

                Gears isn't dead. It's not where it used to be but it's not dead. And the Coalition isn't dead either, they're still about 200 employees and Gears 5 tracked decently in terms of player counts at launch (likely due to game pass). Hivebusters was pretty good too.
                Halo is genuinely dead. 3 frick ups back to back with the only favorable Halo product being the Master Chief Collection out of them and their inability to keep a single key lead creative basically points to the Halo series being shuttered for the next 10 years at least
                But like I said, Microsoft couldn't destroy 343i as a developer because how do you destroy something that was never good in the first place?

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Gears and Halo are dead man.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, dude. I'm talking about studios that Sony permanently shut down. Not just ones that had shitty new hires that have all been fired.

            Not really.

            Okay, but what in-house developers and studios do they still have? 1st party.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Bruh. Yes, they did. I'm not going to sit here and list them because there are more than 5.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not really.

  70. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Redfall was a rotten game to its core, polish and bug fixes would not have been enough to save it.

  71. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    they're doing better than ever, "winning" the console war doesn't mean anything anymore, moron

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      they're getting outsold 3:1 by a console with no games. Xbox is even worse than last gen.

  72. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Literally no games the only relevant thing was starfield and it was a massive flop

  73. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's trash as always, you don't take the Phil Spencer shitposts seriously do you?

  74. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    But goypass makes money

  75. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Bethesda destroyed themselves.
    You would not be here saying that if Starfield was legit GOTY

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >You would not be here saying that if Starfield was legit GOTY
      I'm completely confused by your statement
      If your implication is that people would be attributing STarfield's success to Microsoft and not Bethesda alone were it GOTY, then you'd be wrong.
      Most people attribute Hi Fi Rush being good down to Tango, not Xbox. The game was well into production and well past pre-production when the acquisition went through, so we know that Xbox had minimal effect on how it came out. That game is my GOTY and I don't give Xbox any credit for how it turned out, though I'm happy tons of people played it all the same.
      Same with Starfield: it was always going to live and die on its own merit. If there's any effect Xbox had on it, it was giving them an extra year to iron out most of the bugs. But the reality is that the game's design was always going to be sitting on Todd and EMil's heads, for good or ill

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Most people attribute Hi Fi Rush being good down to Xbox. If Starfield was a genuine GOTY quality game, people would be attributing the game's success to Xbox and not just Bethesda. If you think otherwise, you're moronic.

  76. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    "winning" the console war doesn't mean anything anymore is what I would say if I were losing.

  77. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Hi Fi Rush
    Great Xbox game from Microsoft

    >Battletoads
    Nobody could make it good not Microsoft's fault

    >Sea of Thieves, Viva Pinata
    Great Xbox games by Microsoft one of the best developers in the industry

    >everything else made by Rare since Microsoft bought them
    Rare was never good, has nothing to do with Microsoft

    >Fable 1/2
    Great series thanks to Microsoft

    >Fable Legends
    >Any Fable sequel
    Lionhead was always garbage not Microsoft's fault

    >Scalebound
    Kamiya was always a hack not Microsoft's fault

    >Crackdown
    Great Xbox game brought to you by Microsoft

    >Crackdown 3
    No one could make this good it's literally impossible not Microsoft's fault

    >Forza 7
    Based Microsoft does it again

    >Forza Motorsport
    Turn 10 are hacks not Microsoft's fault please understand

    >Halo 1/2/3
    Greatest Xbox IP of all time created by Microsoft

    >Halo 4/5/Infinite
    Nobody could make Halo good they were never good in the first place
    >Redfall
    Arkane was never good not Microsoft's fault

    >Starfield
    Greatest RPG ever made KinoHoward's magnum opus all thanks to based Phil

    >Starfield
    Bethesda destroyed themselves Zenimax would have blown it too

    Xbox always wins.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cope: the post

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, you're being sarcastic, but Starfield was literally in production long before the aquisition and Sony even tried to make it a timed Playstation exclusive like they did with Deathloop. That was actually one of the main reasons why MS bought Bethesda. I guarantee you if Starfield was a Playstation exclusive and in the exact same state as it is right now, it would sit at a 90%+ critic rating and would have very positive, maybe even overwhelmingly positive reviews on Steam.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        see

        >Bethesda destroyed themselves.
        You would not be here saying that if Starfield was legit GOTY

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          I was never a fan of Bethesda games. I never even finished Skyrim, I thought FO4 was garbage and FO3 was overrated as frick. But it's very clear to me that the backlash against Starfield is not about the quality of the game. It is 100% in line with other Bethesda titles and even more polished with less bugs than any of their previous games had on release. The xbox penalty is a real thing. Any game that comes out as an xbox console exclusive suffers at least a -10 in the review scores and aggregated player scores. Starfield being by far the biggest, most hyped up xbox console exclusive means the entirety of the Playstation fanatics deemed it paramount to destroy this game's reputation by any means necessary.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I'm not a Bethesda fan...But it's very clear to me that the backlash against Starfield is not about the quality of the game

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It is 100% in line with other Bethesda titles
            It isn't
            The core aspect of the Bethesda games that made them appealing (the bespoke, hand-crafted spaces to explore) is nearly completely gone from Starfield
            As a result, all the flaws of Bethesda games are left bare without anything to counter-balance the experience

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              that is simply a lie though. Starfield has handcrafted environments, bigger ones than any of their previous games actually. It also has randomly generated planets to explore that aren't part of the story progression. It has both, it didn't get rid of the handcrafted spaces in favor of the randomly generated ones, it just added the randomly generated ones on top of handcrafted ones. Oh and by the way, the Bethesda game with the least amount of handcrafted content is still Daggerfall, that is almost entirely randomly generated. How is it that those same hipsters and contrarians that shit on Starfield for having randomly generated content would cite Daggerfall as a cult classic and as one of Bethesda's best games?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Starfield has handcrafted environments interspersed through a proc-gen galaxy and, as a result, the bespoke elements of the game are not actually visible by the naked eye from one part of a map to another.
                The basic issue is that the ability for my wanderlust to carry me from one point of interest to another is made nearly impossible if the only way for me to become aware of those points of interest is via a quest-marker popping up over the planet I have to fast-travel to.

                Most people attribute Hi Fi Rush being good down to Xbox. If Starfield was a genuine GOTY quality game, people would be attributing the game's success to Xbox and not just Bethesda. If you think otherwise, you're moronic.

                >Most people attribute Hi Fi Rush being good down to Xbox.
                Citation needed because I have not seen a single person claim that Hi Fi Rush is good because of Xbox.
                I've seen people say it was able to reach a lot more people because is shadow-launched on Game Pass.
                I've seen people say that it's a big win for Xbox because it's a good exclusive.
                But I've seen maybe 1 person claim that Xbox had a positive effect on Hi Fi Rush's development/outcome. AT best, it's nice that Xbox is expanding Tango in response to Hi Fi Rush's success. But aside from that, I do not see people here on Ganker or on other forums like reddit claiming that Hi Fi Rush's quality is a function of Xbox's involvement

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Then you need to lurk more.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                I think you need to provide evidence more

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I think you need to provide evidence more
                >evidence more

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                What he said makes complete sense
                >I think you need to provide [more] evidence
                You should provide more articles of evidence to back this claim
                >I think you need to provide evidence [more]
                I think you need to provide evidence more [often]

                Funnily enough, exactly the same context in which you used it.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                MS has a completely hands-off approach to managing their first party studios. If you can blame them for failures like Redfall, you also have to praise them for successes like Hi-Fi Rush. Both results are born from the same management style.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                The thing is they don't blame them for failures like Redfall, that was all Arkanes fault. But with games like Starfield it was Xbox that made them a success, until it wasn't. If a game does well it's because of Microsoft's good management of the studio, even if it was already in post-production by the time microsoft bought the studio. But if it gets panned then it has nothing to do with Xbox AND it has nothing to do with the quality of the game. It's the Xbox penalty that comes with it.

                if Redfall was a Playstation exclusive and in the exact same state as it is right now, it would sit at a 90%+ critic rating and would have very positive, maybe even overwhelmingly positive reviews on Steam.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                muh redfall

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                well, which one is it for you? Do you believe MS should do more corporate meddling during the development process and give their first party studios less creative freedom or do you think their current approach is a good one? I mean, flops and bad games occur all the time even when there is a lot of upper management meddling. Just look at this years biggest Playstation exclusives like FF16, Spider-man 2 and Forspoken. The first 2 are maybe not quite as bad as Redfall, but defenitely not what anyone would call good, successful games and forspoken was probably THE worst AAA game of the year.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                It happens more often with Microsoft's first party games than the other two.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Xbox's job is to release good games to attract players to their platform.
                Redfall and Starfield are on Xbox's face because they're bad. If they were good, I would give the props to their developers because they do the majority of the work.
                If a game is conceptually bad, I don't even want it to be greenlit, let alone released and purchased for $70.
                Microsoft's influence on their own output should be invisible. It should be downright hard for people to see to what degree Phil and his team are either ironing out development hell issues or just killing projects before they see the light of day

                Xbox has failed in their objective then. There's your counter argument.

                That wasn't your argument. You were sitting here and claiming people would be praising Xbox if STarfield as GOTY instead of blaming Bethesda. You then claimed they (presumably xbox fans) were doing the same (giving xbox credit for a game's success) with Hi Fi Rush right now. And when asked to provide evidence, you had none
                You've still yet to provide evidence or a compelling counter-argument for anyone should believe that Xbox would be praised for Starfield's theoretical success in this hypothetical

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're in denial

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >You're in denial
                Not an argument
                Also a claim without any proof since, in order to be in denial, you'd have to prove the point that I'm in denial of, which you still haven't done

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >which you still haven't done

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >which you still haven't done
                I've yet to see a single real shred of proof that the idea of Hi Fi Rush's quality being a result of Xbox's involvement is a widespread or common belief amongst its fans or Xbox fanboys

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're in denial.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Thank you for admitting you made it up

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Your entire "argument" is made up and you have no proof for any of it. Thanks for conceding.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Thanks for conceding
                i never did...

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >...
                I accept your concession.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                do you win some Ganker points, elite Gankerner (and former professional redditor) for accepting a concession from me that I never gave? enjoy them

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Concession accepted.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >no response
                I accept your concession! later

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                What argument? My argument is that Starfield's frick ups would have been present regardless of whether the game was published by Microsoft or by Zenimax.
                And all the evidence supports my claim: the game was well into development prior to the acquisition, it's core design was settled in 2015 after Fallout 4 released and it was well into active development and playable by mid 2018. The Microsoft Acquisition only started in 2020 and finished in 2021. So out of what is ultimately, at minimum a 5 year dev cycle, the core issues that stem from the core design of the game were almost definitely in the game already by the time Xbox acquired Zenimax.
                My sources:
                https://web.archive.org/web/20210615150516/https://www.theguardian.com/games/2018/jul/18/bethesda-games-interview-todd-howard-pete-hines-elder-scrolls-starfield

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Funny how this logic only applies to games like Starfield and Redfall, but not games like Hi-Fi rush and everything other game that was in development before Xbox bought the studios.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Funny how this logic only applies to games like Starfield and Redfall, but not games like Hi-Fi rush and everything other game that was in development before Xbox bought the studios.
                Again, Xbox is responsible for the stinkers because their job is explicitly to prevent them. They get praise for the logistics of preventing bad games from releasing and ensuring a steady stream of good games. How they accomplish that is irrelevant, the goal is that they manager their studios properly.
                This takes different forms depending on the studios and any potential issues they have. If Tango can manage itself, then Xbox should just let them go do their thing but keep an eye on them nonetheless.
                If Bethesda is being moronic and making a bad design decision, I expect Xbox to go in and re-focus them (TRY A FRICKING GAME DESIGN DOCUMENT, EMIL, IT WONT KILL YOU).
                If Redfall is a giant piece of shit from start to finish, I want Xbox to strangle it in the cradle.
                Xbox's measure of success is on the macro level, in terms of both consistency of releases and quality.
                They get blame for their failures because their job is to have no failures

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >muh argument
                I wasn't responding to one.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                muh shitfield

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Honestly if Starfield was just a single planet and about the early days of space colonization and your ship could go into orbit but you were mainly just flying around the planet and to nearby moons/asteroids, it could have been genuinely fantastic. Go big but not ProcGen empty

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                very well said

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >You've still yet to provide evidence or a compelling counter-argument for anyone should believe that Xbox would be praised for Starfield's theoretical success in this hypothetical
                >if Starfield was a Playstation exclusive and in the exact same state as it is right now, it would sit at a 90%+ critic rating and would have very positive, maybe even overwhelmingly positive reviews on Steam.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Actually I don't have to. Their objective, regarding their first party output, is to ensure the games they offer their players are good.
                Hi Fi Rush is good because of Tango, but Microsoft is culpable for Redfall's frick-ups because they're the publisher and it's their job to try to release the best game possible. Tango is clearly capable of handling themselves, so they get to ride on their own merits.
                But It's Microsoft's job to weed out the frick-ups and bullshit-artists from their studios and ensure that any game they release will at least be good by its own intended design and goals. Redfall wasn't.
                If Microsoft's job is to only release good games, then I can say they failed to weed out and fix Redfall's issues. And since they clearly had no part in Hi Fi Rush's development, that game's success is given to Tango. Do you see how that works?
                You only get praise for your management style when it accomplishes its goals. You're responsible for your frick ups and your lack of frick-ups.

                >I think you need to provide evidence more
                >evidence more

                >not understanding the basic format of a sentence
                The verb is "provide evidence", I am asking you to do it more frequently than you have been doing (which is none at all)
                Also, thank you for failing to provide any counter argument

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Xbox has failed in their objective then. There's your counter argument.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Cope: the post

        >I guarantee you if Starfield was a Playstation exclusive and in the exact same state as it is right now, it would sit at a 90%+ critic rating and would have very positive, maybe even overwhelmingly positive reviews on Steam.

  78. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    didn't it recently come out through the Insomniac leaks that practically every big, hyped up Sony movie game was a flop with a 400 million USD production budget and that Playstations has way less concurrent active players online at any given time than Xbox does? I would honestly be surprised if Sony will continue to exist as a console manufacturer 20 years from now. Clearly they are more profitable as a 3rd party game developer like Sega, considering they make far more money with their PC ports than with selling those games on Playstation.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      leaks basically said Sony only has movie games left and the costs of those games are becoming more and more insane and they dont know how they can keep going when Xbox owns all their best selling games now that cost way less to make and return them way more money in comparison.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        yeah the cost of those games seems ridiculous. Journos were talking about Starfield's huge production costs all the time, but why did nobody in the gaming press ever report the outrageously high budget of Spider-man 2? Did they simply not know or was it not reported on purpose?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          journalists cried when the leaks happened and told people not to find it because it hurt sony. What did you think?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Greg Miller is not a real journalist.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            yeah that was another really weird one. Those same outlets that had zero problems reporting on the Xbox leaks and posting Phil Spencer's emails a couple of months earlier.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >leaks basically said Sony [Xbox fanboy head canon]

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >practically every big, hyped up Sony movie game was a flop with a 400 million USD production budget
      >400 million USD
      Funny how this number goes up every time you post about the leaks.

  79. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just gonna leave this here:
    >"According to Famitsu's weekly charts, 2,903 Xbox Series X and 398 Series S consoles were sold in Japan last week, a total of 3,301. By comparison, 2,717 PS5 consoles and 216 PS5 Digital Edition consoles were sold, a total of 2,933."

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >posting Japanese sales
      >from over a month ago
      you're getting desperate now.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Oh yeah the xbox is having it's best performance in japan now isnt it? I saw a chart where the series S outsold the xbox one and the original xbox in japan already.

        The fact that Xbox outsold the PS in Japan, is astounding to me. Idk if I've ever seen this happen. And wow, a whole month, almost not like that isn't recent as frick, you pig shit shill.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >a single weeks worth of Japanese sales that's a month old now
          >almost not like that isn't recent as frick, you pig shit shill.
          Try harder.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Troon more and cut your throat.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Honestly, take a walk. You add nothing to this conversation.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's not how this works, you pathetic child. You checked out first by being a console war homosexual. Just shut the frick up. The men are talking.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >That's not how this works, you pathetic child.
                >You checked out first by being a console war homosexual.
                >Just shut the frick up. The men are talking.
                >Troon more and cut your throat.

                "The men are talking"

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                ywnbaw

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Oh yeah the xbox is having it's best performance in japan now isnt it? I saw a chart where the series S outsold the xbox one and the original xbox in japan already.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        360 is still king in japan i think. by a good amount. the japanese 360 had actual killer exclusives over there(that the series x can't play, rip).

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Nope.

          Xbox – 472,992
          Xbox One – 114,831
          Xbox Series X/S – 204.877
          Xbox 360 – 1,616,128
          PlayStation 5 – 1.620.838
          PlayStation 4 – 9.395.127
          Switch – 24.765.130

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      And I'll leave this here: PS5 has sold over 50 million consoles. How many has Xbox series X sold? Hell I'll be nice and let you combine series x and s even though the s is half the price

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        how is it possible that despite outselling xbox like 2 to 1, there are less active daily players on Playstation than on Xbox? It can't just be gamepass because Playstation has its own equivalent of that with PS+.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's not possible cause you just pulled that out of your ass like everything else you're spewing you fricking Xbox pajeet shill

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not here to level with your fricking autism. I'm here to discuss hardware, studios, implications, and happenings. Not your homosexual Snoy cuck fantasies. Honestly, take a walk. You add nothing to this conversation.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          And yet here you are sperging out like an autist.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Shut the frick up, Black person.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Case in point.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Wah

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                The men are talking you pathetic child.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Stop schizo posting, moron.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Sorry meant for

          Just gonna leave this here:
          >"According to Famitsu's weekly charts, 2,903 Xbox Series X and 398 Series S consoles were sold in Japan last week, a total of 3,301. By comparison, 2,717 PS5 consoles and 216 PS5 Digital Edition consoles were sold, a total of 2,933."

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            damnit, meant for

            >posting Japanese sales
            >from over a month ago
            you're getting desperate now.

  80. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    People are completely misunderstanding why it's performing so badly, because it isn't only the xbox underperforming. The PS5 is also underperforming. It had a brief spike earlier in the year with supply easing up and a ton of backed up demand being sated, but sales of the PS5 have started to drop pretty hard the last few months as things stabilize.

    So what's causing it.
    it's the switch. The switch came out too late in the last generation to effect those consoles, but this time they're competing with it from day 1. And the switch is much stronger competition than the Wii U was. While plenty of people are willing to buy both a switch and a PS5 or Xbox, not all switch owners will buy both. And the ones who wont are lost sales compared to last gen. These people, probably 30-40 million customers are not buying a PS5 or Xbox, they're waiting for a switch 2.

    As a result the overall sales of Xbox+Playstation will be 30-40million lower than last gen.

  81. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    All sony fans are trannies I'll prove it, who wants sushi?

  82. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Consoles
    >Online
    why did you capitalize these words...

  83. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    PS is dying so hard lmao.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      gaming in general is because nobody knows what to play and where to play it anymore. it's all fricked up.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >gaming in general is because nobody knows what to play and where to play it anymore. it's all fricked up.
        Nintendo isn't because they realized people will still buy video games that don't look photo realistic if they're run. Considering TotK was heavily based off BotW it probably cost 50 million to make, 20 million to market and will make them a billion dollars. Meanwhile Sony needs to sell 10m copies of Spiderman at full price to break even.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Lmao, 244 million budget and only sold 4 million copies. Grim. People were memeing on Starfield for having "only" 300k concurrent players on Steam, but there has yet to exist a Sony game that reaches 300k concurrent players on any platform.

  84. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >xbox this microsoft that

    you're all morons. the games suck. notice how all of nintendo's games are good and the switch sells like crazy despite *worse hardware*? games are more important than hardware.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      And that's why PS is dying more than ever.

  85. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Both Sony and Microsoft have given up on the single player audience because their single player games don't profit anymore. They now focus on online subscriptions to make profit. But if you want to play games online you want to be on the platform with more players, because online games really need a lot of players to function well. So one is destined to win, they can't both survive.

  86. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Microsoft is so dead next year.
    Their main seller is the series S, but the switch 2 will be a similar price and power level with switch backwards compatibility and new Nintendo exclusives as well as portability. No one is buying the series S after the switch 2 comes out.

  87. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    They're doing better than ever, selling more consoles doesn't mean anything anymore, moron *posts a one (1) single week of console sales in Japan from over a month ago*

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      You have no idea what's happening and it's fricking hilarious. Do you really think that was some kind of brag? You're not half as smart as you think you are. You need to STOP, take a breath, and realize you're actually a fricking midwit that has no idea what is happening in this conversation that you inserted yourself into.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Do you really think that was some kind of brag?
        Are you implying it wasn't? Lmao what a moron

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Bruh. Your brain is SO FRICKING STUPID that you can't extrapolate from data. You literally have no idea WHAT I'M EVEN TALKING ABOUT. I'm not mad. I just feel like I NEED TO SAY IT LOUDER BECAUSE YOU'RE FRICKING DUMB.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous
            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah... Coming from the guy who is literally freaking out over Xbox selling a few hundred consoles more for a week...

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not...the moron... trying to... humble brag... about it...
                >I'll just leave this here.........

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                meds.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                You should take yours

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >no you

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Your mum's already taken it.

                lol

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Your mum's already taken it.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's not how this works, you pathetic child. You checked out first by being a console war homosexual. Just shut the frick up. The men are talking.

        I'm not here to level with your fricking autism. I'm here to discuss hardware, studios, implications, and happenings. Not your homosexual Snoy cuck fantasies. Honestly, take a walk. You add nothing to this conversation.

        [...]
        The fact that Xbox outsold the PS in Japan, is astounding to me. Idk if I've ever seen this happen. And wow, a whole month, almost not like that isn't recent as frick, you pig shit shill.

        lol

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        So what was that meant to be?

        Stop schizo posting, moron.

        >Wah

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Your mom spit roasted on your both your granddad's wieners.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Stop schizo posting, moron.

  88. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's literally just "why would I switch over from PlayStation?" and as much as I think the xbox is better, why should they? Xbox doesn't actually do anything important better. I don't like the PS exclusives anymore, but wouldn't have switched to xbox mid gen if I hadn't already sold my PS4 a couple years prior.

    If you ask me, a big believer in xbox > PS now, "why should I swap?", I have no answer. You still pay for online, you no longer get games with gold, the console exclusive games are still low quality GaaS shit.

  89. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Microsoft literally won the console war.

    Sony is living paycheck to paycheck

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >~~*Microsoft*~~
      good for you, you're happy the israelites won. how brave of you to admit your admiration of them

  90. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The fact that Xbox outsold the PS in Japan, is astounding to me. And wow, a whole month, almost not like that isn't recent as frick, you pig shit shill.

    Do you really think that was some kind of brag? You're not half as smart as you think you are.

    By the way console sales don't matter. Bruh. Your brain is SO FRICKING STUPID that you can't extrapolate from data. You literally have no idea WHAT I'M EVEN TALKING ABOUT. I'm not mad. I just feel like I NEED TO SAY IT LOUDER BECAUSE YOU'RE FRICKING DUMB.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      ywnbaw but it would be pretty poetic to have a nice day on Christmas, tbh.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Just SHUT the FRICK up you PATHETIC child... The men are talking....

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          I have never seen anyone melt down like this in my ~15 years on this website.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You forgot to post ywnbw

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Nah, it seems like you're finally coming to terms with that since you reminded yourself.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Damn bro, you were just mashing refresh to hit me with that one. I can see why, what a zinger

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >bro
                leave the website zoomer

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                glad you've settled for this little bit as your win

                one more "troon" for the road? Jump through the hoop, monkey

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Bruh. Yes, they did. I'm not going to sit here and list them because there are more than 5.

                >Bruh.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                There are 3-5 people shit talking you rn dumbass.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                lick my cornhole

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                And yet you didn't call "him" out for zoomer speak. Curious!

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Probably the hardest you'll ever get fricked in your life you self-important little b***h. I'm not refreshing the thread to talk to you, get that through your head. You're like that annoying NPC escort quest, only I'm just stringing you along until you feel moronic enough to stop. Shouldn't be responding to you, but honestly I feel fricking bad for you, on Christmas, acting like this.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm not refreshing the thread to talk to you
                >not having threads on auto update
                how new are you, Black person. just be honest

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Old enough to have F5 wired into my brain and remember when the fricking thing wasn't there so I forget about it. I also have 23 tabs open, and I'm playing an online game..

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                You can put on this minstrel dance all you want, but you're not fooling a single person here.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                lel anon go back to touching yourself incel

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                And yet you didn't call "him" out for zoomer speak. Curious!

                You can put on this minstrel dance all you want, but you're not fooling a single person here.

                lick my cornhole

                Uh oh, the whole fricking troon army's here! HAHAHAHA.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                im thinking you lost this thread. go back to the discord to regroup

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >We'll get em next time sisters!!

  91. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    phil's entire philosophy can be summed with his interview, "great games don't sell consoles".
    nothing good can ever come from a company led by somebody like him.

    while snoy has also gone to shit and have failed repeatedly to create a great game, they have certainly TRIED. multiple times.
    xbox has moved on from that, and is fully invested in "offering content, turning games into services, making the BEST DEAL in gaming, undercutting the competition" etc
    i can live without that

  92. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    We aren't, frick off

  93. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    the ps4 success and xbox one failure was a complete and total fluke. Unexplainable how stupid the Xbox people were. Microsoft over corrected and literally bought out the console war top spot forever. You simply can't compete with Microsoft in any software field

    Microsoft has made pretty average to shit games so far but Sony's obsession with bloated movie games and marvel slop doesn't help their case either.

  94. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's impossible for Xbox to catch-up at this point. If I was still an Xbox gamer, I would have switched to PlayStation by now. It's not worth the risk of losing another gen worth of digital games when Xbox shuts down.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >catch-up
      weird Black person hyphenating that, return to reddit you virtue signalling attention seeker

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I have never seen anyone melt down like this in my ~15 years on this website.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I dunno man, PS just seems like the braindead default for people who really aren't paying attention.

      Ironic considering the Xbox 360 was in the exact same position for most of 7th gen. That was the last time they were truly competitive too.

      its over. Xbox bought the console war already. Cope and denial threads like this wouldn't exist if we weren't in the immediate fallout of that

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Xbox cope

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >It's impossible for Xbox to catch-up at this point
      Xbox isn't trying to catch up in the traditional sense. They're trying to find blue ocean audiences that aren't already invested in Playstation.
      >If I was still an Xbox gamer, I would have switched to PlayStation by now
      Most did last gen.
      I got an Xbox this gen after having a PS4 Pro I barely used last gen because Game Pass is nice and I like their controller more than the dual sense.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Xbox isn't trying to catch up
        Because they can't.
        Fixed that for you.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Sony is not a games company. They make consoles. They have to pay to get games on their consoles. MS just made the down payment for the next fricking 20 years, and they make consoles. Idk, maybe do some math?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Sony is a games company with first party games.
            >MS just made the down payment to not make good games
            Fixed.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >first party games
              lol, at least M$ will have games.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                M$ can't into first party, which is why they spend over hundreds of times the budget of a single bloated AAA Sony exclusive to not make games.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Sony is not a games company
            then how come they keep beating Xbox

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Idk, maybe the 15 year head start?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >xbox shills in charge of basic math

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                SIE was founded in 1993. I just rounded. I don't remember when Microsoft's gaming division was founded.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                see:

                >xbox shills in charge of basic math

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Dude, what's scary is that you're almost indistinguishable from an AI bot.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                What's funny is you're worse at basic comprehension than an AI bot

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Says the homosexual that bled out in this thread all night over a simple sales number post.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                That homosexual is you lmao

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >no u
                >no u

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Hey remember when you tried to brag that Xbox was still king in Japan? Good times.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Pfft, and you say my comprehension is shit.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Your comprehension is indeed shit.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                You literally self-inserted yourself (like you narcissists do) at a made up point somewhere you invented (like you narcissists do) in what was supposed to be basically a joke. You deserve to be ridiculed by your peers.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's a lot of wordslop and projection to say you are functionally illiterate.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Calm down, kid toucher.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                You seem to be taking the described events incredibly personally, because this is a lot of projection.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                At least I don't project my sexuality everywhere but my own body.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                You are completely calm about this.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Seethe. See you in the next one.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Maybe I'll believe you if you say you're not mad for the tenth time.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm certainly not anywhere as mad as you are.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >no u
                Keep responding.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Dial 8.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                You are completely calm about this.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Are you trying reverse psychology on me? I'm not the one that needs to see a therapist lol.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                There's that projection again. Seek help.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Oh look. >000

                More holes than you'll ever see in your life.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Epic reply. Totally not mad at all.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >You are completely calm about this.
                Disengage. You don't have to use male aggression to assert yourself into places you think you belong. This was an M$ thread. Not a Snoy thread. Get a grip.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Sixth time you've said you're not mad. You're over half-way there.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                At least I'm not keeping count of made up things I invented in my own head. Holy frick, what is actually wrong with you? The hormones? Maybe turn off the PC for a bit. It's unhealthy to regurgitate this shit all day.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Seventh.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                I can guarantee you have come unhinged way more times than that, but I'd have to round up because I'm not autistically keeping track like a massive lunatic.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Man you're a sore loser.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                You spent how long shilling and defending Snoy? You're calling ME the loser?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Speaking of things you made up in your head. Why are you so upset?
                >inb4 another no u

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Name a playstation game that makes it worth switching

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Knack

  95. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I will never buy a Sony product again.

  96. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It sells just as bad as xbone. No idea why are you are singling out this generation.

  97. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Be 2000s Microsoft
    >Despite having a half hearted commitment to gaming, put out absolute banger first parties, like Halo, AoE, Flight Simulator, Freelancer, Fable

    >Be todays Microsoft
    >Zero new successful IP
    >Ruin your existing franchises
    >Best you can do is buy up studious already past their prime for exorbitant sums of money

  98. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >The Insomniac hack really was 9/11 for snoys

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      it was worse than 911, like a nuclear exchange showing how the future of snoy singleplayer "experiences" is utter garbage

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The Insomniac hack really was 9/11 for snoys

        lol part of that leak was Sony internals going 'yeah putting a game on a subscription service instantly kills all it's sales forever'

        but hey good luck with gamepass

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          The key difference between Game Pass and PS+ is what role the game divisions play in their larger parent company.
          For Microsoft, Xbox is an interesting excursion into content-creation and video games, significantly different from their B2B monopolies in Office and Windows.
          For Sony, Playstation is their life-line, they can't afford to lose a single cent of potential revenue.
          GAme Pass can be grown over the long term because Microsoft is comfortable trying to do some weird long-play, even if it's not the most profitable thing it could be immediately. Xbox isn't expected to buoy other divisions out of bankruptcy.
          Playstation is the only thing in Sony that is consistently producing profit so they're leaning hard on it and focusing a lot on short-term gain

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You misspelled content acquisition. They couldn't develop games. But surely gamepass is different... right?
            Microsoft is definitely not just fricking over everyone in the long run with an unsustainable business model, right?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >No one wants to pay for Boreizon Forbidden Awards
          Telling

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You might have had a point if the first game didn't end up outselling it despite being just as boring.

  99. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    social media noise only care about sony. that is the issue. Both consoles have the same games. but social media only care about sony.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      No, the issue is that the handful of games that sony has that xbox doesn't are the ones that get talked about.
      Because, go figure, when you have an exclusive, that is, a reason to buy the system, people will opt for that system.
      >they're on PC!
      sure, usually after a year or two. People are talking about slop-man 2 because it just came out, people are talking about the nu-gow expansion cause it just came out. That shit ain't on xbox my guy, what did xbox release this quarter? This year?
      Starfield?
      Redfall?
      Honestly besides forza MS5, I can't think of any remotely decent title put out by XGS this year.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >posts social media collage from xbox fanboy of third party multiplats you can play on other consoles and PC
      Gee I wonder why nobody cares about xbox

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >repeats the same games multiple times
      garbage pic for a garbage console

  100. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Terrible thread on Christmas. Xbox sucks, glad some people realized that and moved to pc

  101. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Another L for the Sony cult at Christmas

  102. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >they have Gamepass
    and the strategy is working, it just needs time to get from 20 million to 50 million then to 100 million, but by the 2030 they will hit 100 million for sure. at that point they might even consider abandoning xbox brand and put gamepass on playstation and nintendo as well. xbox brand is just a dead weight for them.

  103. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Xbox cult status: mindbroken on Christmas

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