Arguably just as bad if not worse than last time, despite seemingly having not made any big mistakes?
We all know what went wrong with the One, but Don is long gone, the Kinect push is over, they switched back to appealing to Gamers, and
they have Gamepass. Why are they still struggling so badly? Is it ALL on the exclusives and weird naming scheme?
Sony recovered from the bad first half of the PS3’s lifespan. Nintendo recovered from the failed first third of the 3DSs. Even complete failures of systems like the Wii U didn’t hurt the Switch. What’s going on here?
>Why are they still struggling so badly?
They aren't, Game Pass is making more money than the entirety of Playstation is doing.
It's actually funny how Microsoft gaslit people into believing they're the "third place" but at the same time Xbox is the most straight up profitable console ecosystem currently.
Yeah, if those numbers hold up, or continue to rise, XBox will have made a very successful move.
You're projecting right now by gaslighting yourself. Xbox is doing horrible and will continue to do so if they don't get some exclusives.
>inb4 PC games
I said exclusives.
I think the problem is you're living in the 90s where things like exclusives mattered. All that matters is subscriptions now. That's why they can proudly say their console has failed while they buy up more and more devs to put on their rental platform. They know there won't be anymore discs or ownership of games soon, and there won't be anything consumers can do to stop it besides quit gaming.
Hello Phil
Physical sales make up 60% of Sony's sales on Playstaton from the Imnsoniac leak https://imgur.com/Tr2p6Sv. But I think you already knew that because being anti game ownership is why the Xbox brand is where it is today.
Distant third place and getting behind the Ouya and Steam Deck. Every retailer in America has the Xbox Series consoles discounted at fire sales numbers because the Xbox brand is rejected commercially and internationally. Well done Phil Spencer.
>the xbox didnt fail, only the console, but it still exists in the cloud
ah i see
you're moronic
Not exactly the cloud if I can download the full games to my console and play them on my hardware, not streaming. Also, Xbox games come in disc format too you other idiot.
>exclusives
Nintendo is the only one making good exclusives. Xbox is trying hard to compete with Sony but they're still losing because they have no legacy fans and they are directly competing with their own product, PC. Sony has trash exclusives but a massive following, and literally the only difference between sony and xbox is legacy fans. PS4 and 5 have survived on a mediocre machine with no good exclusives only because people liked the PS2 and 3. Xbox just needs to keep pushing and doubling down on game pass and they'll do fine. PS6 will be the true measure of how good Sony is at gaming, and unfortunately they are bankrupting themselves by spending all their money on shitty exclusives that cost 50x what nintendo spends on actual good exclusives.
Is that why the projections for game pass are consistently not met and they
And they what?
Xbox has never met their internal sales projections for GamePass. There is a ceiling for the number of people who want to be part of a rent cult of slop.
>There is a ceiling for the number of people who want to be part of a rent cult of slop.
that limit is extremely high. Steam has 120 million monthly active users. 62.6 million people use Steam on a daily basis. and thats just on pc
>They aren't, Game Pass is making more money than the entirety of Playstation is doing
The thing is that Xbox consoles don't sell only the gamepass and soon enough Xbox stop being console manufacture and only a online gamepass Rantala service
*rental service
This. Xbox + PC gamepass dwarfs Sony in terms of revenue. They don't care how many consoles they sell because they have access to a much larger playerbase thanks to PC.
Nice try but PC gamers aren't buying KoolAid rent from Spencer. Xbox GamePass is all in on the console owners buying it. No consoles, no gamepass slop rents.
Lmao seeing people cope this hard because they hate Sony is funny.
Nah. I just pirate my video games on PC. I'm not paying for any media subscription services,
What the frick? Why would you need to update a car?
YOU WOULDN'T UPDATE A CAR
>revenue
>not profit
Gamepass is much less popular on PC than on Xbox.
They are acting like Rings of Power is somehow responsible for the income Amazon makes from its store and servers. Xbox is an embarrassing burden for Microsoft that’s why they stopped reporting consoles sales last gen.
Shut the frick up schizo, you’ve been pushing this dead rrat for weeks. No one cares or believes you goypass shill.
Would be surprised the say whole lot of nothing like this site is fricking reddit.
It has finally happened. I finally found someone outside of the vtuber board that is using “rrat”
This is the samegay OP, they posted this thread just for an excuse to claim this bullshit for the 1000th time this week.
I dont know how anyone can look at the amount of money MS is making and saying it's schizo shit when Xbox is doing WAY better now that they own activision and is gonna buy up more publishers.
now post operating profit
Xbox is for gays, thanks for providing my point.
Your image doesn’t help your argument at all. Xbox is a dead brand, most people view it’s as the HD-DVD of consoles. Anyone with an Xbox is automatically a cringe homosexual.
If owning 4/10 of the best selling games of the year is a dead brand, Im scared to see what an alive brand would look like.
>available on PC
If they were exclusive to Xbox they wouldn’t be the best selling of anything to begin with since no uses that trash.
All of them on other devices. Even Starfield is a third party game on Steam. That is kind of a dead brand.
That $70 people paid for starfield on steam. I don't think Microsoft cares if you didn't sub to gamepass.
And Valve takes 30% of it because somehow Microsoft is now a third party on their own OS. They are leading users to a competing platform.
Gabe Newell is a microsoft employee. Steam doing well is in the best interests of Microsoft in order to stave off monopoly claims.
He left the company decades ago for a reason. He pushes Linux for a reason. Look at Epic if you want to see who Microsoft's right hand man actually is.
Gabe Newell said that he trusts MS and they are his closest friends if that isnt an endorsement, what is?
He doesn't care what they do and didn't want to get involved because he's busy on his yacht. Steam did just fine without CoD for years, Gaben doesn't give a FRICK.
And yet he said he offered to help them out in whatever way he could.
Not true, he didn't even go sign the agreement to help bolster Microsoft's case. He couldn't even be assed to sign something they could email or fax over. He truly does not care about Microsoft and does not want to deal with them. He's over there trying to make Linux viable instead.
Valve has to suck dick just to get their platform on Windows. That's why they're shilling Linux now
if microsoft tried anything to push valve off windows, i'm pretty sure every pc gamer would revolt and microsoft would become even more irrelevant.
Winjeets will never switch. Bill Gates gives them a prostrate exam every time they're forced to update and they just bend over and take it.
taking away 20 years of games would in fact cause them to switch, i think.
There's still threads about winjeets shidding and farding over steam abandoning win7. They come up with these preposterous schemes instead of switching to Linux
that's valve abandoning them in their eyes, it's a different story. it's not microsoft themselves betraying them.
Linux itself just dropped support for older systems.
People still using Windows 7 make up less than a single percent of Steam users. There are more people using Steam on Mac OS than W7
Every laptop I’ve ever been asked to help fix after Windows became too much of a burden for it with the forced upgrades and upgrade nags, runs perfectly with Linux Mint and they barely noticed the UI difference. Anyone that preferred Windows 7 over the Windows Phone interface of 10 and 11 has been happy with Mint.
Windows sucks who the frick uses that spyware shit? They openly admit to wanting to keep all of your data on their servers then rent it back to you as a subscription. While also mining it for data. If you still use Windows your either a moron or a Facebook boomer.
That's still a lot of money. Starfield has been a top steam seller since launch.
Starfield isn't even in the top 20 anymore lol
https://store.steampowered.com/search/?filter=topsellers
Starfield is the only one that's not part of some long existing intellectual property/franchise
You think people bought Call of Duty and Diablo because of Xbox?
>#blacklivesmatter
>#wearamaskandgetvaxxed
>troony pic
>ukraine flag
I can't tell if this is parody account or a real post.
>4/22/22
Yesterday’s reality is today’s parody. What a difference a few years makes.
Now you're just being s homosexual. I want Xbox to succeed and the Black person you're talking to is why xbox is doing so shit these days I miss the good days of OG Xbox and 360 with fun exclusives now it's just a glorified third party cloud machine.
Don’t hold your breath.
It's nice of them to be transparent about the games they work on. It makes it much easier to know which games to avoid.
I dunno man, PS just seems like the braindead default for people who really aren't paying attention. Like how anyone could purchase a PS5 after the Act-Blizz acquisition is a fricking moron.
Every normie non-gamer I know has a PS5. And they ONLY play COD, which is hilarious.
yeah everything is fricked up. only thing that matters to most people is cod
Corporate acquisitions aren't games. People buy consoles to play games, not to jerk off to megacorporations buying other megacorporations and obsess over a dumb console war.
The army of mongs that are making up the vast majority of the Playstation userbase only plays shit like COD, which is now owned by MS and will be exclsusive when the agreement is done. Only a COD moron would doubledown into the Sony ecosystem and A) pay $70 per installment for the last few CODs that release on their console as opposed to paying nothing by joining gamepass, and B) just have to switch to Xbox anyways down the line when the agreement is up.
>as opposed to paying nothing by joining gamepass
You shot yourself in the foot here. Only Xbox fanboys were delusional enough to believe ABK merger in of itself would turn the tide and boost xbox console sales
phil swore under oath in court that he'll never make cod xbox exclusive
why the frick would anyone stop buying a PS5 after the activision acquisition? phil already said hes never gonna stop releasing on playstation. ps5 has a better controller and better UI and exclusive games.
It's less that and more that most people got a PS4 last gen since it was both cheaper, ran most games better and didn't require a fricking Kinect.
And since most people have bought a fair number of games on Playstation or have accounts tied there that aren't cross-progression with other platforms, they're basically just going to treat new console generations as upgrades to their existing machines. It's more like upgrading the GPU in your PC than choosing a new platform with each generation. Or, and I used this example before, like upgrading to the next version of your phone, even if the competitor looks cooler. You don't want to reset all the settings and purchases you have on your current device ecosystem
>I dunno man, PS just seems like the braindead default for people who really aren't paying attention.
Ironic considering the Xbox 360 was in the exact same position for most of 7th gen. That was the last time they were truly competitive too.
The 8th Generation was a make it or break it generation as the move to digital and massive push for backwards compatibility mean now you can’t easily flip flop consoles like you could in the old days, it’s more like a phone provider or computer OS than a standalone machine.
Sony won big, now everyone’s digital library’s are over there and their trophy scores and account investments. No one is moving over to Xbox. The bad name and exclusives just further cement that they aren’t going to get many new or casual gamers either.
Nintendo saved their asses by abandoning the Wii U early, they may well have ended up in the same boat otherwise. Plus they’ve got a huge casual edge.
Essentially Xbox is screwed short to medium term and can only really pull ahead long term if Microsoft commits to making everything they bought exclusive like COD and strangles Sony out
Good post, more online means there's probably more of an accretion effect for the winning system. People want to play with their friends and will get the same console as them.
Because people aren't buying a console in a vacuum, just looking at the hardware and the new games available. People are upgrading from their previous machine and thinking about all the games that they bought on their last piece of hardware
So if you're a PS4 owner with 50 digital PS4 games (and even physical PS4 games), you're going to be looking at the PS5 because it's the platform that lets you keep all your existing games (even if you don't play them that much). The Sunk Cost mentality is huge when it comes to choosing a hardware ecosystem. It's how Apple keeps people buying the new iPhone every year, even if it's not much better or price-efficient over an Android phone. Have you noticed how many ads there are for Samsung trying to show the data migration process for Apple to Samsung phones? That's because they're trying to raise awareness of how easy it is to migrate out of that ecosystem while keeping all your shit.
That shit doesn't exist in consoles. There is no option to transfer your game purchases from Playstation to Xbox because it would kill playstation's installbase benefit
Very good post. Yeah, the big edge here is that everyone is just upgrading from PS4 to PS5. There would have to be a HUGE price discrepancy, somewhere in the ballpark of $300-500 to get people to abandon their current console for the other
>Essentially Xbox is screwed short to medium term and can only really pull ahead long term if Microsoft commits to making everything they bought exclusive like COD and strangles Sony out
I don't think this is the only way out. I think it certainly is one and it's the easiest but also it would potentially scare away the manpower they've accumulated. One of the big fears Spencer clearly has is about dev attrition when they think Microsoft will come and meddle with their projects.
I think the real trick isn't even to make CoD exclusive, just let the devs make other games entirely
since you brought up apple, something both iphones and playstation have in common is that they're "cool". it's cool to own an iphone, it's cool to own a playstation, it's not as cool to own an android phone in comparison and it's very uncool to own an xbox.
sony has done wonders with their branding and microsoft was ruined theirs, the og xbox? cool to own. the 360? incredibly cool to own. the magic was lost with the xbox one, it was no longer a cool device. you weren't cool if you own one. the series s is even worse. if you own one you're poor, it's the console for divorced men in their 30's or 40's that have to have pay child support. that's the brand image that microsoft has cultivated with the series s and gamepass and the second thing they probably need to do after releasing games is to fix that. the series x gets roped in because it's the same ecosystem.
that's why black culture reveres the playstation though. it's cool, it's a status symbol like a good ass pair of shoes. xbox feels like that offbrand shit.
>that's why black culture reveres the playstation though. it's cool,
This is stupid as pack of mules on skids
Game console are to play VIDEO GAMES and not be a center pice in your living rooms art gallery Xbox is "losing" because it doesn't have any "exlusive" games when you're in a video game business you sell games and you build a console that plays those games god normi scum has ruined games with they're bat shit stupidy
the reason the genesis did well in america is because it was "cooler" than the super nintendo because of the marketing. this isn't really new, it's a retread of things we already saw before. but in the past nerds didn't give a frick what was cool, it was just kids that didn't want a "kiddy console". now the market is full of people with that childlike mentality, they want the cool one. the PS5 even looks like it has a giant ass racing stripe running up the middle.
>The Series S is kind of neat but it lacks the image in anyone's mind of being desirable to have
yeah, that's the fatal flaw. it's funny to think back because when you look at nintendo's most popular consoles they actually sell enough out that they're so hard to find that the news reports on them. the ds, wii, and switch were like that at launch just like the ps5 was. consumers are dumb, that creates an image that everyone is buying one because they're highly desirable so now everyone wants one. if you're an oldgay, that shit happened with furbies or in recent times, fricking toilet paper. the pandemic shortages almost assuredly helped playstation's image this gen.
>I really like the xbox controller lab
the controller lab is sick as frick, awesome idea. agree with everything else you said too.
>consumers are dumb, that creates an image that everyone is buying one because they're highly desirable so now everyone wants one
I think a lot of it is marketing.
The Wii Would Like To Play ads for the Wii were fricking lightning in a bottle. The DS barely even had ads but the gimmick was so self-evident and obviously appealing that everyone got in on that too. The Switch's announcement ad is still incredibly clear with its messaging about what the thing fricking does.
The PS5, as mentioned, has done really well for itself in its marketing. The focus on cinematic 3rd person action games/action-RPGs makes it feel like the prestige "adult" console. The issue for Xbox is that they basically gave away the american normie audience to Playstation, so it's not even clear which sub-audience they're targeting. Like, what does a non-Playstation gamer even look like? The only thing I can think of are PC gamers (which Xbox is trying to attract) and Nintendo gamers (which they have no chance at pulling over).
They're looking for blue oceans without a clue of whether they even exist
No, it was Phil Spencer who killed the Xbox brand image of dudebro console gamer to Human Resources approved safe space with a rent box. Do you know why we say Pepsi/Coke as default for soda? Because they keep spending money on branding internationally. Xbox under Phil Spencer has no brand.
Don Mattrick was the one who killed that image because under him, Xbox started off that generation with completely fricked marketing and messaging (TV TV TV), a starting price $100 over the competition, a mandatory Kinect in every console and chasing away both Bungie and Epic Games from Xbox's two biggest franchises, effectively dooming them to mediocrity (at least compared to their past entries). It's hard to be the console for dudebro gamers when they all buy a Playstation because it plays 90% of the same games but is $100 cheaper and doesn't require a stupid camera toy to be plugged in.
It's also worth remembering that the Playstation 4 and Xbox One were, at launch, completely lacking in backwards compatibility. So having a big 360 library literally meant nothing, you couldn't play the old CoD or Madden games on your Xbox One at launch
the don mattrick era produced some of the best xbox games ever. phil spencer has made nothin but garbage
>the don mattrick era produced some of the best xbox games ever
He joined in 2007, most of the games that came out from 2007-2010 were the result of Peter Moore's leadership and deals. You only really start to see Mattrick's influence with shit like the Kinect and the sheer amount of focus on it
He was a fricking moron who tried to turn Xbox into the Wii+Cable Box combo. He thought he could chase the runaway success the Wii had with casuals and tried to out-casual Nintendo.
Spencer hasn't fixed Xbox but the fact that there was anything in need of fixing is Mattrick's fault for breaking it. Mattrick broke Xbox harder than the PS3 broke Sony or the Wii U broke Nintendo
damn it's sad both consoles now have a worse lineup of exclusives than the 360 did
It wasn't even a lack of games that hurt the xbox. It was Don treating us gamers like shit with the always online for no reason and no benefits. The xbox one being more money than the ps4 hurt also. I myself was mad and bought a used ps3. Then a year later under a heavy sale which included the master chief collection (and some other game) I bought it.
Funniest part of watching that unfold in 2013 was after being asked about troops overseas or on ships/submarines with limited to no internet how they could use it, he basically said “get fricked, play your 360 instead idk”. Xbox only ever did well in the US market and their head said “frick the troops”, like he didn’t know what a social taboo that is in the US. Way to know your audience!
Then Major Nelson lying and saying we can't flip the switch and turn off the drm to angry Joe. Then they did just that like a week later. Lost all respect for Major Nelson. He was just a lying shill and fighting the gamers that gave him a job.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh
Agreed
Don Mattrick was a very typical executive. His basic thing was figuring out how to maximize profit, diversify revenue streams and eke out every cent from every paying consumer
That's not the core take-away. Look at the distribution of games between console vs peripheral.
Mattrick was trying to divert resources and attention away from console and towards Kinect. Why? Two reasons.
First, Kinect is his baby and has his face and fingerprints all over it. If it did well, he could claim near complete ownership and credit for it. So he was using all of Xbox's resources to try to make it the focus, going as far as requiring it in all launch Xbox Ones
Second, because his entire philosophy was going wider and wider with audience appeal, even at the expense of core users. He was chasing that uber-casual audience the Wii had tapped into.
I never want to hear people say Mattrick was better than Spencer ever again. Spencer has the right priorities at least, even if he's kind of a coward for not pushing Xbox into a 1st party business model.
Mattrick just fundamentally did not care about gaming. He saw Xbox as his opportunity to make a big name for himself within Microsoft by turning it into a general media division instead of a gaming division. He wanted to turn Xbox into a prototype of the Apple TV
Even though most of it is god awful shovelware on the left, it still has better exclusives than Xbox and PS5.
> The DS barely even had ads but the gimmick was so self-evident and obviously appealing that everyone got in on that too.
around whenever the lite came out, there was a frenzy around getting one. it became a highly desirable device and i'm not sure why but ds lites were very hard to find then. it did look very sleek to be fair, the design was much more aesthetic than the original ds.
>They're looking for blue oceans without a clue of whether they even exist
yeah that's a good point. more than trying to cater towards a market, they're trying to bend the market to cater to what they want to do in the future(sub services, cloud streaming) but when microsoft tries this, it typically does not work out for them. outside of windows and the 360, i can't remember the last product they had that truly took off. the zune, surface, the features that windows was trying to push like augmented reality in 10. most of it has been a bust. even the 360 was a dud by the end of the generation when they pushed the kinect too hard.
>they're trying to bend the market to cater to what they want to do in the future(sub services, cloud streaming)
I don't know if that's the intent, actually.
Here's how I see it:
1. Xbox has a problem: everyone has a big library with Playstation already and so are unwilling to buy a platform on which they have few, if any, games. Xbox could just give everyone tons of games but that would be too expensive on a per-title basis. So Game Pass becomes a sort of faux-library, a rental that comes with a sort of substitute for actually buying 50-100 games on Xbox on your own.
2. Game Pass can only be used if you're playing on Xbox consoles. It's hard to get people to drop $300-500 on a piece of hardware, even harder to get them to use as their primary device over the identical piece of hardware from your competitor. Solution: expand Game Pass beyond the Xbox console, even beyond PC, with Cloud.
3. But who even plays games aside from console and PC users? This is the biggest jump because here's the question of where that blue ocean is. There are 3 basic groups that they're betting exist and that they can reach.
>a.) kids
the majority of zoomers nowadays play games on their phones. It's at about 69-73% percent usage as their primary game platform. Xbox wants to get to these kids before they even think about getting a Playstation. Think about the following: why was Xbox SO FAST to get Fortnite working on xCloud after they were kicked permanently from the apple store? Because that means they were getting kids who previous played the most popular game on the most popular platform onto their platform instead. It means that by signing up for game pass to get to fortnite on xCloud (complete with custom touch controls to mimic the iOS version), they were also dipping their toes into Xbox and Game Pass
The real difference is Microsoft has Apple levels of revenue. Sony is like Target and Chipotle combined. Totally different classes.
>Apple 2.1 T
>Microsoft 1.9 T
>Amazon 1.7 T
Xbox isn’t even worth the $200 billion difference between them. No one cares about Xbox, there are zero people clamoring for the latest Xbox like they do for iPhones. Xbox is a dead brand.
The series x was sold out for like 3 years. The iPhone wasn't. That said the series x is old now and available. Come 2025 when they release something new not sure people are going to care as much. VR I think will take over.
Xbox doesnt give a shit about cloud gaming compared to the others, there's even leaked emails about how they think it'll never catch on and why they sold off the cloud gaming rights in europt to ubisoft.
>no actual exclusives
>their console exclusives are actual trash like Redfall and Starfield
>bought dozens of studios years ago, so far not a single big name xbox studios game outside Forza and Halo
>notable lack of indie and eastern games
>goypass negatively affects sales
>also what this anon said
I don't want them to go under because Snoys need a competitor, but god damn this brand is completely unappealing, even Sony movie games and Nintendo overpriced garbage have a actual audience, at best the SeS has the poorgays but that's being generous.
>if Microsoft commits to making everything they bought exclusive like COD and strangles Sony out
They can't make COD exclusive for 10 years. That was a condition of the regulators that Sony had access to COD
However the biggest and most frightening data point for Sony the regulators globally pointed out, Especially with the EU and Brazil regulators is that the way Sony defined the market was "High-Performance gaming consoles" where Sony was 70/30 globally and up to 90/10 in Europe (Which is a monopoly). Sony was operating a monopoly and happily using foreclosure as a strategy by using third party exclusives like Final Fantasy and Street Fighter to push Microsoft out of the market. Regulators were pissed and told Sony that their concerns didn't have merit. Even the UK regulator told Sony straight up that they aren't concerned about the console space because Sony actively pursues foreclosure. All concerns went to the nascent market of cloud gaming instead.
Microsoft likely took that and said "We can hang back in this gen and really build out our operation with acquisitions without much regulator blowback so we can get a real run at 2027". Never mind from 2024 onwards they have the Call of Duty marketing.
Expect more acquisitions in the future once the FTC stops flailing about in court. The day they buy a Japanese publisher is probably going to be the funniest day on Ganker in the sites history
It was the FTC who made the "high-performance console market" definition. And by that same definition Nintendo has an actual monopoly in the handheld console market.
>It was the FTC who made the "high-performance console market" definition
The FTC adopted Sony's argument, It was Sony who came up with it because Sony didn't want Nintendo or PC to be included (As those two would have made Sony's arguments moot). They used the same definition in Europe to the European Union regulators because Sony's whole argument was "By taking away COD from the far and away market leader you are hurting consumers". So much so that Microsoft presented the same chart to the European Union regulators and said "Why would you protect the company with an admitted monopoly?".
It's why they all went with cloud gaming concessions. They all told Sony to go frick themselves. And their rulings opened the door for MS to buy another publisher as well because they felt Sony had far too much control of the market that was defined and thought MS had the right to invest to catch up. Even Japan's regulator believed this and pushed through the Activision deal with no concessions needed,
It's why I believe Microsoft's calling this gen a wash and they will be aiming for Xbone lifetime sales. They know they can invest without much pushback and be ready for the gen switch in 2027.
>The FTC adopted Sony's argument, It was Sony who came up with it
This is completely false, along with the rest of your post.
>No games
>Xbox is a damaged brand after the Xbox One reveal
>Xbox becoming more of a multi-platform service than just a console with exclusives thanks to Gamepass and day 1 Steam PC releases
The honest question is why the frick would you own an Xbox? It has no games, and the very few Xbox """"exclusives"""" (also on PC*) it has are pretty divisive (Starfield, Halo Infinite). Microsoft placed all their bets on Gamepass as a service, it really seems like they knew the next gen Xbox would underperform and they really just don't care and are letting it rot. Xbox is a service now.
Sony recovered from the horrific PS3 launch within 3 years, while the One reveal was a decade ago. That ain’t it
it's their dogshit software quality
every time they buy a studio they lose money because all of the talent from these studios dissipates back into the indie scene, and those devs are selling their games primarily on Steam
Sony recovered by putting out games.
>games
snoys will fall for literally anything, even low effort third person movies with magnetic gameplay
I don't play western games.
>PS3
>games
lel
>Sony recovered
From what?
>by putting out games
Kek
PS3: expensive, tricky to dev for.
Xbone: always online, frick you to everyone with a less than excellent connection, frick you to everyone who trades used games.
Not the same thing.
PS3 also had the high price point, the tech bloat, and those terrible ads early on
Nintendo Wii U and Playstation 3 were huge disasters. PS3 had games dumped on it in 2009 with the PS3 Slim, the Wii U on the other hand kinda had its lifesupport machine pulled when Nintendo Switch launched. Both took less than 10 years for Sony and Nintendo to rebrand and fix themselves.
Phil Spencer, head of Xbox for 10 years with 40+ studios and Microsoft trillion funding, has been hard at work at sinking the Xbox brand further into the ground than Don Mattrick.
Xbox is the console that single dads buy for their kids
And then their kids freak out and cuss out their dad cause it's not a PS5
Lmao
>omg dad all my friends have a PS5, not a fricking Xbox. God man…
there's literally ZERO reason to buy one
>couldn’t even port soulcalibur 4
>didn’t port the old ass halos untainted by mcc
Shame. Good project just gone for more GMA peas steam games
If you try to insert Halo 1 or Halo 2 disc into Xbone or Series X, it won't work. Microsoft really wants people to buy the MCC.
Didn't they say the currently backwards compatible titles would stay backwards compatible forever, and they just aren't working to get new titles added because of the licensing issues involved?
They did. They did all the backward compatible games they could work on.
Burnout 3 was backwards compatible on the 360 but they never did it for the One/SX. Same with JSRF. Closing down their BC program without remembering to bring those game back is criminal negligence.
It's because of how the backwards compatibility on the Xbox One/SX works compared to the 360. On the Xbox One/SX, it requires you to actually download the game along with a special emulator to run it, with the game disc just basically being a key. They can't do that without the proper permissions.
it didn’t. i just played the 360 disc of halo wars on series X
It's just a cheap pc. Microsoft is releasing every game on PC. The console is quite literally only for poor people or those who want a "standard" feel to games.
Ps5 and xbox both have no games. People are buying ps5s from name brand recognition.
The failure of the xbone to the PS4 allowed sony to completely recover from their near-death status around the PS3 era. PS5 came out with almost full PS4 BC, and the series X, meanwhile, after spending years talking about 360 and original xbox bc, scrapped the entire program.
Just a weird fricking turn of events.
also, ps5 is more powerful than series x, or at least, easier to develop for.
>after spending years talking about 360 and original xbox bc, scrapped the entire program.
Wait so Xbox no longer has any BC? What the frick? I thought you could play anything from Xbox and 360 on an Xbone?
Series x and s are compatible with xbone and the same 360 and Xbox games as previously. They stopped adding games because they claim there are now right issues
It's completely RC with Xone and most of the important 360 games can be played as well, I bought Sonic Unleashed and Generations, they can be finally be played as intended more than 10 years later lol
It does, it plays almost every xbox original game with just inserting the disc and it then downloads the edited game. They discontinued the project to port games because there was really nothing major they could do anymore because
It plays 20 of the 500+ Xbox games. have a nice day you fricking lying shill. Post a webm of you right now putting in rainbow six raven shield into an Xbox series and see if it plays
muh raven shield
What do you mean by "scrapped the entire program"? Once a game is backwards compatible, it's not like it can lose that backwards compatibility. There is an official list of all 360 and OG xbox games that are BC so anyone can look it up. That list is massive and a bigger effort than any other console manufacturer has ever put into backwards compatibility. As a reference, you can't even play PS3 games natively on PS5, they all are streamed over the cloud. That's why Rockstar sold an overpriced "remake" of RDR1 earlier this year on Playstation whereis Xbox users can play the OG RDR1 from the 360 in 4k on the Series S.
New to this convo, the backwards compatability is brilliant, games that are on it are superb, but the limit yo its contents is pretty atrocious. A bunch of shovelware is on it boosting the numbers, but forget anything licensed, ie Riddick, PGR, or anything that would genuinely benefit from it, ie Comdemned 2, JSRF which can't be played elsewhere
Sure it sucks that not all games are BC, but it's kind of pointless to complain about it when nobody else on the console market has backwards compatibility that is anywhere close to that of current gen xbox. It's only natural that MS focused on the biggest and most popular OG Xbox and 360 titles and worked their way down the list in favor of the most popular titles over some of the more niche titles.
That's a strong disagree for me. It's good, but they shouldn't get a free ride. It isn't great when it could be. They want us to buy their consoles, so it's on us to demand better.
>That's a strong disagree for me
Also it definitely isn't the case of it just being more popular titles, the 360 list is like 50% XBLA shovelware and another 10% regular trash you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who played, and mu h harder anyone that wants to play it 15 years later
Who cares if it also has all the games anyone actually wants to play though? It's quite difficult to find any popular AAA release from the 360 era that doesn't run BC on current gen xbox.
so MS offers 8/10 backwards compatibility whereis Sony offers 2/10 backwards compatibility and Nintendo offers 1/10 backwards compatibility and you believe MS are the ones who should get the heat for lacking 10/10 backwards compatibility?
Yes, I think people who buy a system are within their rights to voice their opinion when something isn't actually up to scratch.
It isn't about being better than Sony or Nintendo, there are a multitude of reasons I don't own their consoles while I do an Xbox, it's about judging what the Xbox is offering on its own merits.
I'm never going to buy a system because it's the best of 3, I'm always going to ask "is this worth buying" entirely independent to the competition. I'm tired of the constant "this does have to be better, because something else is worse".
I like my xbox, but I want it to be better, it has full screen, obtrusive ads, it has paid online, it has a lacking backwards compatability. Do the others have all of those? Probably, but it doesn't mean you shouldn't want better from your product.
I want free online.
I want the half dozen games I actually can't play to be BC.
I want to boot up my console and not have to close ads immediately.
You can have all those things if you really want but it won't be on a console.
>PS5 came out with almost full PS4 BC, and the series X, meanwhile, after spending years talking about 360 and original xbox bc, scrapped the entire program.
Other than being a Snoy, why did you word it like this? Xbox has full xbone backwards compatibility plus some 360 and OG xbox, whereas PS5 doesn't.
Cayse he's a a Snoy as you say thet don't run on logic.
>xbox one was carried by the success of the 360
>xbox series consoles don't have that benefit
happens all the time, especially in gaming. a bad game can still sell well. the game after a bad game? that's where the impact of the bad game is felt. the sony leaks show most gamers still want to buy physical anyway, so the series s might as well not exist for those gamers. at that point why the frick do you buy an xbox if you care about physical?
Its just a console, PS is an established brand with legacy and legendary exclusives while Xbox is working on it self to be that way i think. Ms announced somw vidya like Fable, Perfect Dark, Gears VI but its still waiting. Maybe if they release some quality titles should they get riding. Idk. Maybe. Plus they own bunch of studios, for what?
>they have Gamepass. Why are they still struggling so badly?
GamePass is a rent service. People want to own their games. Xbox is pushing hard for no game ownership. The market answers by not buying Xbox. The cult of Phil Spencer don't realize they are a minority and 3rd party publishers have no incentive to port games on Xbox. Phil Spencer is an idiot. End of thread.
>GamePass is a rent service. People want to own their games. Xbox is pushing hard for no game ownership. The market answers by not buying Xbox.
It's going to be so funny when something large enough happens to make them realize all those digital games tied to "their" libraries are just rentals anyway and they own nothing.
>People want to own their games.
>The market answers by not buying Xbox.
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/93340/xbox-game-pass-made-230-million-revenue-in-one-month-most-users-pay-for-full-subscriptions/index.html
>Xbox Game Pass made $230 million revenue in one month, most users pay for full subscriptions
One month. Say it with me. One month.
>b-b-b-but that's not real
It's a publicly traded company they are required to disclose this information and not lie about it to investors.
Viral marketer the Xbox brand is collapsing under the weight of Phil Spencer's rent obsession. Sega Saturn tier levels of sales for the Xbox brand today.
cope more
>Microsoft Admits Xbox Has 'Lost the Console Wars' as It Battles for $69 Billion Activision Blizzard Buyout
Xbox "in third place" behind PlayStation and Nintendo, with a sales market share of 16%.
It's over. Rent Plan failed for Spencer.
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Seems like he has numbers and articles to back it up, where's yours?
You realize PS+ has more subs than GamePass does, right? By over 10 million. Sony is getting all that plus game sales.
>another thinly disguised snoy thread
what a surprise
Exclusives are literally everything in this industry, doesn't matter if your modern day Blockbuster. Phil must be slow in the head or something.
I think it's because phil is a PC gamer. He thinks and acts like a PC gamer running a console company would.
If that were the case he would be pumping out a frickton more games on PC that were pushing the edge in terms of tech instead of whatever the frick Starfield was supposed to be.
In due fairness people b***h the series s is holding pc gaming back. Then they b***h that starfield and cyberpunk on pc need expensive gpus.
Series S is a $150 "1440p" (upscaled from 640p) console.
GPUs being expensive has little to do with Microsoft.
>the series s is holding pc gaming back
might be the most tech and business illiterate post in this thread
Not a single exclusive game.
>‘Xbox has lost the console wars, and its rivals are positioned to continue to dominate,’ Microsoft said in its court filing, per The Verge. ‘Xbox has consistently ranked third in consoles behind PlayStation and Nintendo.’
I still think OG Xbox is better than Ps2 even though Sony won that round. Cycle of life LMFAO.
Salesgays are the worst. I mean, who the frick cares about any of this shit? They're making billions off of this crap.
It's pretty amusing how they've been really slashing the price on the Series X. It's like $350 now. I think at Target you can get one for like $330.
Thank god too. Finally got one for my homosexual friend
It's pretty easy to understand
1)Xbox userbase is not console exclusive like Playstation (although they started to port games already) and Nintendo, everyone with a PC can enjoy gamepass
2)Phil already mentioned it, they lost the most important generation in videogame history, the generation were people jumped from physical format to digital, it's really difficult for a Playstation user to change to Xbox since all their game library is on Playstation.
3)Playstation marketing is just better since Sony is really dependent on their consoles selling well, Microsoft doesn't give a frick about Xbox for the most part, if Xbox disappears Microsoft doesn't suffer at all. Normies already associated gaming with Playstation.
4)Hardcore gamers have no necessity in buying a Xbox, PC +Nintendo + PS is the ultimate hardware set up
5)The media is a shill of Sony like the critics were shills for Disney not long ago, this creates the online discourse to be generally really positive for Sony and really negative for Microsoft.
All points to Xbox consoles disappearing the next generation and Microsoft pushing gamepass as a service in every platform they can, they already said they want to bring gamepass to PlayStation and Nintendo
Never ever PC Laards!
rare replay is the one that hurts the most
say what you want about ms but that shit is an insane collection of games
They even gave away Rare Replay a few years ago for free.
Felt good to be a Mixer chad.
Blue Dragon is coo and not listed therel. Phil Spencer would rather pay millions for gutter trash for SlopPassRental(tm) than go back to Xbox 360 era of making games. Phillip Spencer's pansion for not making games is unparalleled, the guy is proud of Redfall and Starfield.
Funny how Xbox One/Series X is just a PS3 in 2007 forever. Phil really is a clueless idiot.
The Playstation 5 has sold 50 million, the Xbox Series combined sold 22 million something. And this is with Sony not making games and Nintendo Switch in its 6/7th year without a price drop. So what happens to Microsoft's now collapsed Xbox brand when Nintendo Switch 2 and Sony starts whipping their studios into releasing games? I guess Phil Spencer will blame difficulty times, challenging 10 years of fixing Don Mattrick's mistakes, and how he''s listening to the passionate community of 3rd worldies who bought his Rentbox Series S to play slops of the month.
aftershocks from xbone
who the frick is going to switch from a ps4 to a series X unless they're extemely poor and in dire need of gamepass? Most normies have all their libraries and friends on playstation so why the frick would you even switch? There's not a selection of great xbox only games (for now) that can tempt anyone either and we're midway into the gen already with nothing like that even announced while sony drops horizons, god of wars and spidermans every year, regardless of what you think of those games
>Even complete failures of systems like the Wii U didn’t hurt the Switch.
The Wii-U was mostly hurt by the 3DS and Nintendo's shitty advertising. The Wii-U would have sold way better if it got its own mainline Pokemon game.
>What’s going on here?
It would help Microsoft if Starfield was actually a really good, must own video game, and if a game like Redfall was actually good. I pirated Starfield and uninstalled it after a few hours, and I still felt "buyer's remorse".
I literally got a series s last week on sale with 3 months game pass for $200
This quick resume thing is really top tier next gen sci fi shit they should bring that to PC and Playstation.
I wish more marketers like you attached more Asian b***hes with your posts. I want soemthing nice to look out
>Bioshock Infinite Artbook
That seems to be a random choice to have on display
I know it will have a great December!
$221 series x with series s trade in.
if you haven't done it yet, check walmart, you can get a diablo 4 or forza 5 bundle for the same price without the trade in
I don't think you understand. I got a $200 xbox series x with my trade in at bestbuy. Walmart is $350.
The idea was get people to play in their ecosystem. Windows, Xbox, Mobile. Gamepass for all 3. Series S being a dirt cheap gamepass box. Then go extra israeli with proprietary ssd expansion.
Because all first party games have been mediocre
>Sony recovered from the bad first half of the PS3’s lifespan
Sony had Japan as their lifeboat back then. Xbox hadn't penetrated that market so they basically had a free win, even when they were fricking around with $600 MSRP.
I think it's important not to look at Xbox's failure as being like past console frick-ups. The timing matters. In the past, each new console generation was a fresh start. You could get ahead on release or on price or on library and be starting at about the same spot as your competition in terms of customer sentiment coming in. People looked at the Xbox 360 a lot more favorably over the PS3, even though the PS2 sold fricking 8X as well as the Xbox Original. Why? Because the PS3 was fricking overpriced and all the new hot games could be played on both systems.
Nintendo recovered from the 3DS era because the Vita was a piece of shit nobody wanted to support due to the cost of development. And the Wii U didn't hurt the Switch because Nintendo is a 1st party driven company, you don't buy a Nintendo system for CoD and FIFA and GTA and Fortnite. By contrast, Xbox and Sony are both fighting for the same exact dollars spent on the same exact games, which means that one of them is going to win or lose. Nintendo exists in parallel with them but not in as direct competition
I think it's mostly brand loyalty nothing to do with what product is better.
Think of all the dumb Snoys who actually bought a ps portal and now watch this 1 minute video comparing it to Xcloud.
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IT's more about just upgrading to the next unit within your existing ecosystem
>buy 1000 songs on itunes
>all playable only on iphone (don't know if this is true, just go with it)
>new samsung phone looks cool, but doesn't play itunes songs
>stay on iphone so you dont lose your songs (even if you don't listen to most of them most of the time)
This is kind of one of the tenants of content platform expansion: you need to get as many people invested so they're entrenched and less likely to leave. It's the same principle of why people are often not very ready to leave their homes for a new job, even if it's a new job that is better. Because they've set down roots and have a lot established in their current neighborhood. Basic sunk-cost mentality.
There is a bit of brand prestige, it's a big reason why Playstation focuses so much on the 3rd person cinematic prestige games from their own studios. Because those have the greatest amount of prestige, at least from a marketing stand point
Microsoft's issue is the same as always, since Steve Jobs said it best: they have no taste. Individual people may have taste (please some back Peter Moore) but as a corporate culture, they're way too enterprise Business-2-Business to have the cool factor that a game company needs.
>the magic was lost with the xbox one
It's so funny that they obsessed about TV when they were the first console to have Netflix with the 360. So fricking funny, genuinely.
The Series S is kind of neat but it lacks the image in anyone's mind of being desirable to have
> it's the console for divorced men in their 30's or 40's that have to have pay child support
lmao
But yeah. playstation have made themselves THE console to own if you have money or taste, at least in the minds of people
That being said, I really like the xbox controller lab
lol i completely forgot about the ps portal's existance
Checked online stores today to see what the landscape was, thought about getting my brother a ps5. Xbox series x was $300 still in stock while all the full priced ps5s were out of stock.
PS5 coasting to 50 million units worldwide with Sony on auto pilot with only movie games.
Nintendo Switch fighting out there with its launch sticker price for 7 years and just throwing game after game.
Xbox Series just there like a Magikarp proposing engagement metrics and other ponzi scheme names to get you to rent it.
I'm much more in the market for a Steam Deck than Microsoft's shitty anti consumer products. Only thing I regret is my buying PS5 but one day it'll have games that aren't California movie shit I don't care about. That's OK, it's a dedicated PS4 slave machine for Bloodborne.
Does Xbox series have the smallest controller ever?
I just got one and it's very light and comfy in my hands.
They have just had so many revisions to the same design that it is pretty much perfected.
shit tier momentum from last gen and their two big tentpole games (halo infinite/starfield) underperformed.
>Most powerful console out there.
>Knees capped by Series S existing.
What the frick is wrong with Phillip Spencer. Baldurs Gate 3 was a PS5 console exclusive by default for months because of Spencer insisting on Shitbox S existing.
More like Baldurs Gate 3 investors losing money because developers are too stupid to lower their quality settings to 800p and rush it out.
That won't work, it'd need to be more like 600p to not drop to the fps to 20 in many cases.
Series X and PS5 versions of games are already dropping their internal resolution to 800p and just using FSR2 to compensate. The Series S has nothing to do with that, it's devs being absolutely moronic about wanting to use every new tool out of the box without considering if it's actually useful or beneficial. Raytracing is a good example, with most examples looking only marginally better but you're giving up maybe half of your framerate. Or fricking moronic particle tech that makes a frick-all difference to aesthetic appeal
I wouldn't be so hard on Series S if it was 1080p60FPs machine but it isn't even that. All adorably digital too, fricking Microsoft run by dipshits. They had a recipe for success with Series X and they said let's go full moron with the 3rd worldies Series S rent machine.
Some games are 1080p 60fps though it's completely up to the devs to focus on either performance or graphics or whatever.
Also some devs are just lazy.
>They had a recipe for success with Series X
again, it wouldn't have helped if they went all in on the Series X. They'd be running, at best, 10 million units and having to pay hand over fist for games just to not ignore them in favor of all-Playstation.
The SEries S, by doubling their installbase, was the more sensible move. Without it and Game PAss, Xbox would be losing the fight against Playstation a lot faster and more definitively (as there would be no PC or cloud aspect to the business).
>Series S if it was 1080p60FPs machine
Anon, the Series X and PS5 are barely 1080p60FPS machines. The basic issue is that devs are just abhorrently shit at optimizing their games. We're still not away from the 1080p standard on the most premium machines. 1080p60FPS wasn't standard on the last gen machines, or the half-step upgrade, and it's only *just* barely the standard on AAA games on the SEries X and PS5 (if it's even offered as an option over 4K30FPS).
Like if the Series X and PS5 can't swing 4K60FPS consistently, how could you ever expect the Series S to do 1080P60FPS consistently?
Missing the point Xbox marketer. The Xbox Series X is stronger than the PS5 and it wasn't allowed to have BG3 because Rentalbox Series X exists. I honesty don't get it, Xbox One X is stronger than Series S too.
>The Xbox Series X is stronger than the PS5 and it wasn't allowed to have BG3 because Rentalbox Series X exists
And then when they did get it onto Series S, it turns out the optimizations make the game run better on systems with lower memory amounts.
The idea of just making dizzingly more powerful consoles to satisfy increasingly incompetent and lazy engineers is a race to the bottom that I don't think should be entertained
The one x has a stronger gpu but not cpu than the series s. The series s and series x has the same cpu.
I just pulled 800p from my butt. 600p or whatever. Just get it to work. People always say consoles are holding back pc gaming. Then you look at how many people still have a GTX 1060 and it becomes a laughable argument.
It's the other way around, without the Series S, xbox sales would be half of what they are now and PLaystation would have an even easier time cutting them out of major games.
75% of all Xboxes are Series S units. Likely because they're cheap but also because they're easier to make than Series X, they take 2/5 as many RDNA2 Compute Units than as Series X. Early in the PAndemic, they were able to sell well because they were able to fill in the demand while the PS5 was hard to acquire.
If you were to cut out the Series S and focus that effort on the Series X, Xbox would have only sold 10-12 million Series X units atm and they'd be running a 1:4 ratio against PLaystation, not a 1:2 ratio.
Also
>Knees capped
If devs cannot into Mesh shaders and Sampler feeedback streaming, they should be fired. The PS5 is, under the hood, more akin to a PS4 Pro 2. It has the same number of CUs and the PS5 API is very useful for running mega shaders against the overclocked cores. Without the Series S, devs would be getting even lazier than they are now
Bottlenecks encourage creative solutions which scale up to more powerful systems
Xbox does not see winning the console wars as the only way of winning anymore. With a floor of 30-50 million consoles sold a generation, they are sitting comfy right now as they have a massive library of games, new games coming out and expanding into mobile gaming too. Not to mention steam doing incredibly well helps with their dominance on PC.
Consoles will always be made as an easy cheap entry point into gaming but Xbox does not see consoles as something worth putting massive amounts of money into any longer.
You want the uncomfortable truth? The truth Ganker refuses to accept? Alright, I'll give it to you:
Gamers are weeb homosexuals. MS is an American company. They want any and all American companies out of the gaming industry. Google, Apple, Microsoft, Epic, Valve. They want them all removed. These idiots would rather have Sega or Panasonic release consoles than Valve or Microsoft. It's 100% because Microsoft is an American company, if they were English, or German, or French, or Russian, or Chinese, or Indian, or Indonesian, or Greek, then it would be perfectly fine. America? Forget it, get them out of here.
It was an uphill battle from the beginning. MS could put out a console with RTX 4090-like performance that plays literally every game ever made for $199 and it would still bomb. Because it's American.
I mean Sony is currently killing the Japanese part of its brand for no reason so they won't be much different soon, andif I was forced to pick from 2 game consoles that only play western goyslop games I would pick the Xbox over the Playstation.
Xbox just scooped up many ex-playstation japan people and are using them to get more japanese games made for it.
Realistically, it's too little and too late when everything is multiplat now. Sony had the benefit of being dominant in the last gen before everything went fully multiplat. Microsoft isn't fighting for exclusives, they're fighting to not have their console completely ignored so it can actually get the games arriving on PC, Switch, and PS.
Freq is always better than more cores given same peak perf.
>the biggest video game company on the planet is a collapsed brand according to Ganker
What the hell are you Black folk smoking? Ever since they were allowed to buy activision blizzard, they are no longer struggling but in the top 3 biggest video game companies.
It is going to be insane once COD becomes a XB exclusive. Even for the next few years when it is still on the PS ecosystem, MS is basically going to be fricking Sony's wife in their own bed.
every game runs terribly on it compared to playstation. it doesnt have exclusives like the ps3 had to save it for weebs
>the ps3 had to save it for weebs
More like the PS3 had an existing presence in Japan that Xbox couldn't hope to accomplish.
it's the Sbox. the 360 had an Arcade SKU which shipped without a HDD. it was $100 cheaper which made it very appealing as a gift and helped immensely with establishing the 360 install base before the launch of PS3. you could say that it was in fact the not-so-secret weapon that allowed xbox to dominate the early half of the generation. like the Sbox, third parties were required to support xboxes with no storage - even if it just meant disabling all save features. you could not make installation a requirement and your game had to meet load time limits even from disc.
ms was probably trying to accomplish the same thing with the Sbox, only in the current marketplace you cannot ship a console without storage or other critical features. so instead of leaving something out, they used cheaper, lower-performing hardware to create the price gap. however, disabling saves or spacing out loading screens is not the same as having to downport a game engine. it's too big of an ask from third parties when you are not providing the additional funds for it to happen, and your platform has been a distant second in the last generation.
but here's the greatest failure of all. we see that ms isn't afraid to sink tons of money just to bank on some kind of advantage. and we know the purpose of the Sbox is to lower the cost of entry. putting 2 and 2 together, we could conclude, very obviously, that if microsoft was willing to burn money just to get people onto xbox, the most effective thing they could have done was *simply subsidize the Xbox at Sbox pricing without creating as second SKU*. this is, after all, how the industry originally worked. the cash is obviously not a problem for ms since their other solutions are also just throwing money at xbox to create value. they've clearly spent far more than $100 per user by now. but this move would seriously impact sony's budget even if they were able to match price. they'd have no money left for first party.
DOA with the name Xbox series x. You have to be incredibly out of touch to approve that.
The ps5 is a symphony of console technology while the Xbox is built like a regular pc and treated as such
The frick? They're both fricking fugly gimped locked down PCs.
>always have been
Idk ask Phil “making good games won’t bring people to the platform” Spencer
Playstation is a japanese console made by japanese people with japanese games. Americans will never understand gaming unlike the Japanese.
>Playstation is a japanese console
Wrong
>made by japanese people
wrong
>with japanese games
also wrong
I bought a PS5 mainly for Spider-Man, God of War, Horizon and Final Fantasy. What the hell should I buy an Xbox for? Starfield was apparently a dumpster fire and I haven’t given a shit about Gaylo or Queers in over a decade. They need games.
>God of War, Horizon and Final Fantasy
holy buyer's remorse, batman
I got a ps5 for ff16, it was fine but jesus i wish i just waited for the pc version. i was afraid id get spoiled on a half decent story but i could have just skipped it outright.
Those three are all excellent games.
>Those three are all excellent games.
yes anon, we get it, you'll be here all week, you don't need to fire off your punchlines like that
The only console with less games than PS5 and its moronic little brother the Series S keeps everyone from going on the fun rides.
They don't really try. Their advertising budget seems small. It's a side project for Microsoft. Xbox is now designed to be a gateway to PC gaming and Gamepass. They even want to put Gamepass on Playstation and Ninetendo someday. They don't obsess about hardware units sold that much. The console is nearly non-existent in Japan and Europe, but it won the US by a slim margin. They seem happy with that for some reason.
They did go on a big apology tour after Redfall failed and Starfield was so divisive though. It’s clear that they aren’t untouchable
Phil has addressed this. 8th gen was the worst generation to lose because everyone has large digital libraries that lock them into one ecosystem. The 110 million people who bought PS4s are going to stick with Playstation for the backwards compatibility. There's really not much Microsoft can do but keep buying studios and doubling down on gamepass.
>Phil has addressed this. 8th gen was the worst generation to lose because everyone has large digital libraries that lock them into one ecosystem.
It's just a meme. The Xbone was way better than the Wii U. But the Switch sold way more than the Series
Nintendo is not directly competing with Xbox and Playstation.
Xbox is not directly competing. They are the only ones that launch their games on other consoles.
I will care when they buy Sega and make Shin Megami Tensei/Persona and Etrian Odyssey exclusive
they arent stop listening to black playstation fans on twitter
Now I understand where all this recent shilling and coping is coming from.
https://www.techspot.com/news/101280-ps5-outsells-xbox-series-3-1-20203-surpassing.html
>were not going to talk about console sales anymore, because we’re just not, ok.
>look how many goypass users are on PC instead
kek
Nothing's changed and nothing will unless they start buying studios left and right and getting the rights of CoD/FIFA exclusively on xbox. It's the only way to make people who've been playing on playstations for the past 10 years to even think about switching
The plan to buy FIFA so they can frick over sony in Europe ain't gonna work cuz EA and FIFA split up and there will now be 2 games going forward.
Nuying "FIFA" means nothing. It's about buying EA
EA doesn't even have the FIFA license anymore, they just release EA football and that's enough to keep normies in place. MS would have to buy EA AND maybe figure things out with FIFA too if they want the full package. It's a frickton of money and quite the gamble but they could do it
That's the only way for MS to win; playing dirty and buying out the competition, much like the simpsons predicted. I'm all for it if it means sony stepping up their game and maybe coming back to its japanese roots
Because virtually everything you could buy an Xbox for can be played on a PC or elsewhere for better quality and roughly the same price and ease of use. Gamepass is a joke. Xbox went from being a cool game console to budget computer brand.
>cool game console
Cringe
>roughly the same price
Good luck once your CPU and GPU get outdated.
I thought xbox was popular with normies and PS5 sucked wiener, how is it doing poorly? Is it just losing to PC/switch or something?
>I thought xbox was popular with normies and PS5 sucked wiener
Other way around
It only exists in North America (and in US/Mexico it's actually winning)
>(and in US/Mexico it's actually winning)
This hasn't been true since the Xbone days. Series X lags behind Sony and Nintendo in every major territory.
Sex beat ps5 in NA. Probably lost to switch though
Nope.
There's no way the Series X is beating it. Series S and X combined might be close though.
Black person
*tongues your anus*
Nope
Not even close.
The Xbox 360 was leading and trading blows with PS3 only in USA. The Xbox Series is outsold by PS5 exactly 2:1 in USA. And Europe the Xbox brand is outsold 18:1 in every European country except maybe UK (2:1). The Xbox days of beung competitive are over under Phil Spencer, even the Xbox One sold better than Series S and X. By every metric in every country the Xbox brand is behind Sony and extremely distant behind Nintendo, whose 2017 underpowered console has outsold the Xbox One, Series S, and Series X for 7 consecutive years.
Phil Spencer let it all happen.
I'm still astonished how Phil still has a fricking job. Dude spent a billion dollars on starfield
Literally all he needs to do is order them to make New Vegas 2. Then he becomes a genius visionary.
Todd and Booty will never let it happen.
Todd is leaving soon and has millions of Microsoft stock after the buyout.
Todd isn't leaving anytime soon. He is basically the Fallout and Elder Scrolls guy at this point, and every game before Fallout 4 might as well be non canon at this point.
Regardless they know people want New Vegas 2. Not giving it to them is just saying we don't want your money. If I was Microsoft I would order them to do it right now. No elder scrolls until it is done.
They're working on a Fallout 3 remake and a Oblivion remake. Im sure they'll work on New vegas remake in the future once those are out.
People want a sequel not a remake.
>They're working on a Fallout 3 remake
>remake
So they're going to make the game worse, graphics aside.
I think they might be waiting to see if they can engender some interest in the Fallout IP again after 76 kind of torched
Well, as the other anon mentioned, that would be something he delegates. Typically, publishers will send a producer or executive producer to oversee the direction and progress of a studio that's making a game on their dime. There are some really good Iwata Asks about this.
The basic issue is that even if Xbox does seem to have a guy doing that on these studios, they aren't reacting to any of the info they get. Normally, if a studio is having issues, the higher ups try to remove whatever is causing those issues (presuming it's not an issue they're causing in the first place). So let's say maybe it's a technical issue due to a lack of familiarity with new technology. The higher ups could bring in a specialist in that tech or maybe set aside time for someone to train in that technology. OR even decide they need to drop that from their tech stack and adjust course, whilst adjusting their timetables for how long it would take to deprecate it from their current development pipeline and expectations
They don't want your money. As long as Fallout is in Bethesda's hands New Vegas will never, ever get a sequel or remake. Any remake will just be "Fallout 3 but what if it was in Fallout 4". The franchise might as well just be called Fallout 4 now, just look at how they're handling the TV show.
Todd doesn't get to decide that anymore but the really problem is that the obsidian that made new vegas is long gone.
He spent $7 billion on Zenimax. There's some good stuff there but he really needs to stop doing this hands-off shit and get some people into these studios to report directly back to him. People who have no stake in the success of the studio and whose only job is to be honest.
Like, if Xbox forced Todd and BGS to fire Emil and put someone else in charge, there's a good chance that ES6 might actually be good
But he would need to step in and demand that someone come to task for Starfield underperforming like crazy
>he really needs to stop doing this hands-off shit and get some people into these studios to report directly back to him.
I honestly don't even know what phil does beyond scheme over what studio he's going to blow microsoft money money on. That's really all he's done besides overseeing first party disasters since he took mattricks place.
He manages the overall division. So when you look at Xbox's hardware side, their manufacturing relationships, their relationships with other studios, listening to the reports from the heads of different studios and adjusting where and when to release games, green-lighting projects, planning and negotiating with third parties for exclusivity deals or big Game Pass deals. That's all Phil. Even if he's not getting into the nitty gritty of individual studios, the Xbox division's day-to-day tasks and decision making still require someone at the driver's wheel
The acquisition stuff is just the most public shit but there's a metric ass load of logistical and managerial shit he takes care of with the platform and brand itself
He just delegates those tasks to his subordinates and other Xbox leads
Sure but even the task of delegating is a job in of itself. You ever play Dwarf Fortress or the like?
Not to say he's the best executive or manager or the most competent. Just that his role does have responsibilities and ultimately there are decisions he has to make on things. How much to spend on certain divisions, what the head count for the next quarter on R&D should be, how many more hardware units to order for retail vs cloud, where should they be focusing more of their advertising push, etc, etc
Middle management is bloated in most corporations but usually there is at least one guy who does make decisions for a division and they do serve that purpose of steering the ship, for good or ill
>he does all this shit
Sounds like he's busy with that & doesn't have the time to focus on making sure the studios they own aren't destroying their reputation.
Microsoft micromanaging their studios is precisely why they killed all their studios during the xbox generation and why developers do not want to work with them.
MS letting them do what they want and giving them money and time to release is a better strategy in the long run.
they won't win anything cause they dont even check in or manage the games during development lol. god of war 2018 was a literal piece of shit until the head of playstation went to santa monica studios and said 'this is a piece of unplayable shit' and then the studio fixed the game after the feedback. microsoft just lets the morons run the asylum, and they'll keep running it. they could care less.
Well and the crux is actually building trust and relationships with studios so that they can work together. It starts with a leap of faith and giving some of the studios the chance to spread their wings.
The real issue is responding to failures appropriately and not fricking up a good thing when it's going well
They do check in but they get most of their check-in from the heads of the studios. So a good example is the shit with Redfall. According to foot-soldier engineers and QA types, they were all hoping Microsoft would scrap or reboot the project as a single player game, but the heads of the studios basically muted all that feedback and just told Microsoft that everything was going fine.
The basic issue is that Microsoft needs to put their own people in as listeners, keep a finger on the pulse from bottom to top. It's clear they can't trust the heads of the studios themselves to relay concerns from the ground level
>they were all hoping Microsoft would scrap or reboot the project as a single player game, but the heads of the studios basically muted all that feedback and just told Microsoft that everything was going fine.
So they didn't play the game? kek
Who, Microsoft? They do but what often happens is that when a game is in a rough state, the studio head will give an assurance that it'll be better at launch. They give a make-good essentially.
Remember how Sony knew that cyberpunk was coming in hot and CDPR basically said "don't worry, all those performance issues and bugs will be handled on release" to get past certification?
The difference is Sony doesn't control or have any real authority over CDPR, and it was on their competitors console too. Cert is really only for bugs and glitches not gameplay or presentation. Microsoft has actual access and say over Arkane Studios no matter how much they want to pretend otherwise.
>MS asked arkane if they needed any help
>they said they were fine
>have full trust of them since redfall was supposed to be one of the major releases of the year
>Arkane tricked them hard
Who's to blame now? Certainly not microsoft.
How is Microsoft not to blame? It's literally their fricking studio!
>since redfall was supposed to be one of the major releases of the year
That just makes it even worse. MS would have known it was in a dire state had they actually looked at it before release
Oh they absolutely do. My only point is that studios will often try to appease publishers or platform-holders that they'll have everything ready at launch, even if the 2-weeks-to-launch version is flaming dogshit.
Microsoft should definitely have had their own game in the studio to report on how things were going, there's no debate about that
It's hard to blame the victim of a lie for believing someone who has not lied to them before.
But Microsoft is a corporation, only the paranoid survive and they need to at least keep trustworthy eyes inside their own studios, if only to understand who is telling the truth in leadership and who's a bullshit artist
>Microsoft
>the victim of a lie
Just listen to yourself.
Not Microsoft but Phil and the higher ups at Xbox.
It's clear they're okay with delaying a game if they think it needs some work. And if they thought the devs wanted to reboot it or cancel it, I wager they would have done so before announcing it literally right after the acquisition closed up a few E3s ago.
The idea that Xbox knew how fricked this game was the entire time and then just released would suggest they're trying to suicide the division. the more likely explanation is that the devs were trying to obfuscate just how rough it was and what state it would release in. And when it came out, the shit hit the fan and it became clear that the hands-off, zero-meddling policy might not be working out
The obvious explanation is that Phil and the Xbox division as a whole are just incompetent when it comes to assessing games. Redfall wasn't just some one off either, it's been this way ever since Phil took over. These are the same people who wrote off this year's GOTY as a "second rate Stadia RPG"
Oh I agree there's incompetence in Xbox but in this situation, we know that even internally in Xbox, they were guessing that Redfall would be a 7/10 critically.
I do think that Phil and the current leadership of Xbox has no taste. I think I could do their job better.
But the specific situation with Arkane is clearly also a case of the leadership lying about the actual enthusiasm and interest internally for the game. As with a lot of studios, they tried to wing it with some '[Studio Name here] Magic' and hope to god it comes together in the final product.
The things I pin on Xbox and Phil are shit Starfield being boring as sin or 343i butchering Halo for years or the Crackdown 3 shit.
But there's not much you can do if your subordinates lie to you about whether everything is okay or not other than fire them when the shit hits the fan
>they were guessing
They didn't play the game
Im guessing they did. And they were told that at least on the technical front, the game would be more polished.
The bigger issue here isn't whether they're playing the games they're making (I assume they are, it's standard practice, even at EA or ubisoft).
The bigger issue is that they refuse to be willing to get involved with the studios to do things that will push the games to be better or at least more popular.
I think Phil's laissez faire policy is fundamentally the wrong one, it's too far in the other direction and it wouldn't be such a big deal if they weren't also burning money on huge acquisitions
I'm convinced Xbox fans live in an alternate reality where whenever anything bad happens to Xbox they have zero agency and it's not their fault. Xbox sells less consoles than Playstation and Nintendo? Not their fault, digital libraries forced people to not buy Xbox. Xbox games come out bad or mediocre at best? Not their fault, they were just bamboozled by their own dev studios. The Xbox tax, etc. An entire brand revolving around a victim complex.
>in the long run.
lemme know when letting 343 rape halo's corpse, a corpse that was created by 343 themselves, whatever dev is putting female leads in a series about roided out men killing monsters & bethesda continuing to strip away the things that made their games popular starts paying off for them, we're ten years out from the xbone with nothing to show for it.
PS4 had a super strong lead, and since the PS5 carries over your existing PS4 library 1:1 (correct me if I’m wrong) and the XSX having no exclusives worth a damn to normies, it’s an easy decision
Xbox is only really doing well in America. As for the rest of the world it's the PS5.
Microsoft should've killed 343 after the MCC debacle if not earlier, they should've expanded their backwards compatibility into a straight up emulator that can play any xbox disc & they shouldve did more to get decent games on their system. Their exclusives either suck, because the legacy devs are gone, or they're not system sellers so they're basically just a copy of playstation with nothing to differentiate them. Worse they're following sony's lead in promoting homosexual shit & censorship instead of leaning into their old edgy 360 era image.
Now they're just buying out the slop to gatekeep sony except the one IP that will actually make money is on sony's system for ten fricking years & with few exceptions the others are complete trash with dying fanbases.
I guess the plan is to just hang on for a decade until they can make COD totally exclusive to xbox because bethesda & blizzard/activision isn't doing shit for the brand. All they have is gamepass with a small install base which I guess is working for them if they're to be believed but even if that's true I don't know if that justifies R&D of a new console. Ten more years of being a gamepass machine & banking on COD seems like a risky strategy but if it works then it works, from a consumer perspective it's pretty fricking grim.
Xbox is just playstation except without your existing ps4 library and less japanese games. There is absolutely no incentive to switch over. Maybe microsoft should try a bit harder if they want to win people over.
Xbox is convinced making good games doesn't matter, just buying and rent seeking as many IPs as they can.
I STILL don't know off the top of my head which model is which. Whoever came up with the names deserves to be fired.
>s = shit
>x = x-tremely cool
Glad I could solve that for you.
Screenshot this post & send it to phil, tell him this is your resume for head of xbox marketing since you just conveyed in simple terms what they have been unable to do since the xbox one x came out.
>Xbox One
>Xbox One S
>Xbox One X
>Xbox Series X
>Xbox Series S
Lmao its actually a worse frickup than the 3ds vs new 3ds. How is an uninformed person supposed to know that the series consoles are a completely different system and that the series X is significantly more powerful?
You forgot the Xbox One SAD edition
Well it isn't that bad given only the last 2 are in stores. That said I bet the next one is Xbox Pro after the Xbox Series X 2 TB digital
no one wants xbox
I just bought the Series X 😉
I just bought a dragon dildo 😉
>There's no universe where releasing good exclusives makes us win
You're a fricking c**t phil
To be fair both Microsoft AND Sony are doing terribly. The PS5/SeriesX offer literally nothing your older PS4/Bone can't do. They cost half a thousand dollars and offer no appreciable difference in graphics or performance. The technological diminishing returns that began with the PS3/360 have finally reached the breaking point.
Everyone, regardless of whether they were a Microsoft or Sony fanboy, just stayed with their old system instead of upgrading.
Nintendo was actually smart for once when the failure of the Gamcube made them realize that chasing graphics and tech specs was far less important than offering a feature that could sell systems that their competitors could not replicate with software. Sometimes that backfires like with the WiiU and it's iPad controller, but more often than not it's worked like with the DS's two screens+touch, the Wii's motion controls, and the Switch's hybrid handheld/console.
this is completely false.
Wrong
You're wrong.
>the Switch's hybrid handheld/console.
I don't get why they don't make a console only version that shaves the cost of the screen off, nobody I know who has a switch ever undocks it except to swap cartridges. I guess they don't need to but there's definitely a market for it.
Not really. There are more people who play switch undocked than docked. The cost of the screen itself is marginal and people will except a power increase from a console only version over the hybrid and lite versions. There's no real market for it.
>There are more people who play switch undocked than docked.
I don't doubt this given their consoles were flopping outside the lightning in bottle wii but this
>The cost of the screen itself is marginal
no way, nvidia themselves sell shields for $100 less for the pro & $150 less for one gig less ram, the oled model has an even more stark price difference. They could make a tiny black box with the same inputs & cartridge slot for basically half the price if they wanted to.
You underestimate the insane margins Nintendo makes on the Switch. Even the oled model does not cost significantly more to produce than the OG one. The dock itself has less than $5 worth of parts surrounded by a plastic mold. There's no universe where Nintendo sells a non-portable Switch at a lower price than the Switch lite let alone the dockable models.
>it'd cost them more to make a screenless black box with the same chip inside
I doubt it but I understand why they did what they did
It wouldn't cost them more, but it wouldn't cost them significantly less either. And like others anon have said, there's no market for a console-only Switch without a real performance boost.
I play it undocked, and never used my dock.
>I don't get why they don't make a console only version that shaves the cost of the screen off
It wouldn't sell nearly as well and it also wouldn't be more powerful since it still has to use the same chipset.
There are people who will use an ARM device in handheld all the time (see: Switch Lite) but I doubt there are any people who would use an ARM device that needs to be hooked up to an external monitor to work
The only market for a Console-Only Switch is if it's more powerful and it really can't be with the current chipset. Maybe the Switch 2 will be designed in a way where a home-console version could have beefier hardware without requiring extra dev resources (maybe overclock it??). But currently, a home-only, overclocked Switch would not be noticeably more powerful than a normal hybrid Switch
>made them realize that chasing graphics and tech specs was far less important than offering a feature that could sell systems that their competitors could not replicate with software.
As I said, Nintendo's entire business model at this point is banking on having some feature that Playstation and Xbox can't replicate no matter how powerful they are. Microsoft and Sony have tried to release things like their own Wiimote clone or that "Playstation Q" Switch clone that they're trying. But by doing those they've already fallen into Nintendo's trap. Because those are peripherals, not the base system. And they did and will fail for the same reason the 32X did, people will not spend $100-$200 dollars for an "enhancement" when the base system was supposed to be last till the next console generation.
Call them "Gimmicks" if you must but they're what keeps Nintendo in business.
>but they're what keeps Nintendo in business.
Handhelds & games is what keeps them in business, the gimmicks paid off for the ds & wii one time & then cost them dearly with the wii u. Aside from the switch plugging into the tv it's a very safe & traditional handheld, they didn’t go full moron forcing a gimmick down people's throats this time around & not surprisingly it paid off. Hopefully they understand that & don't frick up the next one with some pointless forced gimmick.
>it's a very safe & traditional handheld
It costs $300 with $60 games and doesn't fit into your pocket.
>it cost $200 less than the other consoles & is the size of a 7 inch tablet which is very radical & gimmicky
right
For 2017 it was radical and gimmicky yeah. The other consoles aren't portables.
>For 2017 it was radical and gimmicky yeah
If the 3ds & the wii u wasn't being replaced I might agree but it was, both those systems had pointless gimmicks that were a hindrance to what they were designed to do & were both considered overpriced for what they were. Meanwhile the switch combined both those markets into one for a very palatable price with no forced gimmicks beyond a handful of people who only wanted it to be a home console. For the first time since gamecube you could buy a nintendo console pick up a regular controller & play games & since the 3ds you weren't paying extra for something that existed solely as a throwaway gimmick that added nothing to regular gaming experience. It's about as traditional as nintendo has gotten in a decade & was a very deliberately safe design choice to avoid pissing off or confusing anybody.
3DS and Wii U had much worse gimmicks but "$300 tablet hybrid with $60 games" was not safe and traditional.
>$300 home console that doubles as a gaming tablet with no forced gimmicks wasn't safe
What a hill to die on.
It's not a home console.
>it's only a gaming table-ACK!
rest in spaghetti never forghetti
Epic argument there
I'm neither of you but the question around Gimmicks is sort of ambiguous. It's clear that Nintendo's first party output is a big driver of their success, 80% of their software sold is first party. But the question about hardware gimmicks is up in the air because it's not clear if they could release an outright underpowered handheld with no gimmick and still achieve the kind of attention they get off of their library alone.
The proof I give of this is the performance of the handful of nintendo games on the app stores for ios and android. they aren't particularly high earners or highly played on Mario Run or Animal Crossing. So it's not clear if there's really that much interest in Nintendo on a more typical handheld device
>I'm going to to ignore that you said games after handhelds & then imply a handheld plugging into a tv is a gimmick that sells consoles
Maybe in a vacuum plugging into a tv is a gimmick but this is nintendo we're talking about & their handhelds have always been successful, they've dominated the market since gameboy. Also if we're gonna pretend that people who play candy crush are the same audience as those playing mario wonder then the nintendo first party game sales are abject failures. Finally I said games in addition to handhelds, unlike sony & microsoft they actually release games instead of movies masquerading as games which is ironically very traditional which is no doubt a big selling point for them now & going forward. As long as they don't force something stupid on a future console they're poised to print money indefinitely releasing ever more powerful switches.
>They cost half a thousand dollars and offer no appreciable difference in graphics or performance
no fricking game runs at 60fps on ps4 and much less the bone lmao
also DeS remake looks better than the best ps4 has to offer and that was day 1. Exclusives made solely for ps5 at the end of its life cycle will look and run ten times better
That said you're right regardless. Sony is barely releasing one exclusive per year; there's literally nothing out and we're half way into the gen
>DeS remake looks better than the best ps4 has to offer
Really? It looks like devs had taken a "everything is dark" pill and called it a day. And sure, it looks nice in static but what really got worse since the original is animation. The way different animations transition looks off compared to the original. It was clear in early gameplay vids and they still didn't fix it in the final release. And at the end of the day, the original still plays nice and the remake doesn't improve anything the original had. I hope seething homosexuals thinking that old is bad will get their bleach shot soon
why the frick are you talking about how it "plays"? I'm strictly talking about how it looks. Have you seen that shit live? slap on HDR on a nice TV and it is an orgasmic experience, even 3 years later
I've switched to Xbox this gen after being a Sony pony since PS1 (portables included). Don't regret it in a slightest. I have no idea why Sony wins, their high-budget AAA exclusive schlock is a massive waste of time, the console design is shit and their subscription offerings and attempts to include backward compatibility titles are laughable. Guess people love their le gameplay looppeses and babbi-tier challenges.
PC gamers like Playstation because many of their games aren't on pc. Where most of xbox ones are.
At the moment the only really interesting game like that I can think of is Final Fantasy XVI. And that one will get a PC release within next year or so. I mean, who'd get a console for shit like Basedderman 2 which is basically another open world grindfest comprised of everything you've already seen somewhere else?
I'd say that Ratchet was a nioce reason but it's got a PC port now and having played it I can say it's literally the same as A Crack in Time, no really fresh ideas. Well, at least it's better than bland remake on PS4. It was terrible.
From a bystander's viewpoint, Xbox has positioned themselves well and made all the right moves in order to gain dominance in the video games market. The fact that anons here think they're a failure works to their advantage and they are gonna be extremely surprised in 5-10 years when Xbox becomes the top gaming company in this space.
I don't think they'll be top but the real issue is that I still think that nobody at Microsoft has any taste. Phil and Sarah seem nice but they need a PEter Moore, someone with a critical eye for quality to actually head the place.
Phil is like Geoff, a little too nice and fellating for his own good
>From a bystander's viewpoint
you fooling no one homie lmao
>microsoft bought call of duty & when their 10 year agreement ends they're going to rape sony with exclusivity & everyone will be surprised
True.
They haven't made a good game in years and their only real "moves" they've made is to buy up IPs and push GaaS as hard as possible.
who the frick wants an xbox when it costs the same as a ps5
IDK man, I'm never gonna buy a PlayStation again and I've owned them all until this generation. It is what it is. I've played enough Spider-Man movie games, already. I'm good.
It's not the main reason, but splitting the console into two options with the S and X was fricking idiotic. The naming convention needs to make sense to grandmothers and absent fathers, who drop into GameStop yo buy something for little Timmy.
They were on sale for $350 a ton of people will be getting an Xbox for Christmas.
Unironically is the naming convention killing them?
>Playstation is just 1/2/3/4/5
>Nintendo is wacky but that's their charm
>xbox has moronic names, hard to tell which console is the new one (series s/x especially stupid because it makes one seem new and the other old)
>snoy studios flopping
>tlou 2 multiplayer cancelled
>live service future grim
>singleplayer moviegames are all marvel slop
no wonder the snoys are spamming xbox hate threads lmao
xbox cope
insomniac leak shows how all their stuff is garbage
$300 million for spiderman vs $70 BILLION for Call of Duty
70 billion for a non-exclusive game thats mostly on playstation lmfao
Because its a boring and soulless console with no interesting and colorful games. Most games don't even get a physical release for the Xbox since the advent of gamepass and the series S being all digital. At least the original xbox and xbox 360 is worth getting and collecting games for those systems. Modern Microsoft is just pozzed and soo obsessed with quantity of quality. They rather spend 50+ billion to have call of duty than spend money making simple triple AAA or double AA games like in the og xbox and early 360 games.
>They rather spend 50+ billion to have call of duty than spend money making simple triple AAA or double AA games like in the og xbox and early 360 games.
They're doing both though. They have the money for it and that's what they're doing.
It's too late.
They lost the most important generation. Everybody already invested in their ps4 library.
No one gives a frick about their PS4 library. People buy consoles to play call of duty and 2k/madden. All those games run significantly better on ps5 even though Xbox fricking owns COD now. the system is just complete shit. People love to record game clips and the Xbox can't even record past a minute. The ps5 can record the last 24 hours.
Xbox is going to dominate next gen if Sony can't get their shit together. They've destroyed ALL of their 1st party dev studios and, man, Square isn't doing great right now. So, Sony will have to compete directly with Xbox on streaming and will have to shell $$$$$ out to get more exclusives. (Which is honestly what caused Xbox to get this vindictive in the first place) This cuts HEAVILY into their profits, which is why Microsoft is doing this. As revenge. Sony was taking a loss on PS4s and I don't know anybody that's talking about the new Slim. Xbox takes losses on their consoles too, but the goal for the last 2 gens was to get to this point.. Next gen is gonna either save gaming, or kill it for 15 years.
The only important generation is the one where you innovate. I don't care for non-physical media, but even I am okay with gamepass... It's kinda nice, actually. I played though a bunch of shit I had never gotten around to just because it was right in front of me. It made me game *more.* Which is, honestly, kinda terrifying.
>They've destroyed ALL of their 1st party dev studios
Not really.
>Turn 10
>Playground Games
>Coalition
>343
>Rare
>BETHESDA
any more i missed?
Yeah, Arkane
playground and turn 10 are doing fine. And the coalition, while not as solid as epic, is doing about as well as they were since the took over the Gears franchise
343i also can't be destroyed because it was never good in the first place, not a single one of their halo games is even a 7/10
Also, Bethesda destroyed themselves. I'm not going to sit here and say that Starfield would have been soooooo much better if they were still being published by Zenimax.
If anything, it would have come out earlier and buggier
The only studios they objectively destroyed were Rare and Lionshead.
>turn 10 are doing fine
stopped reading right there
I usually wait for 2 frick ups before declaring a studio dead. Forza 7 was pretty decent, so I'll wait to see if the next game is a dud.
Gears isn't dead. It's not where it used to be but it's not dead. And the Coalition isn't dead either, they're still about 200 employees and Gears 5 tracked decently in terms of player counts at launch (likely due to game pass). Hivebusters was pretty good too.
Halo is genuinely dead. 3 frick ups back to back with the only favorable Halo product being the Master Chief Collection out of them and their inability to keep a single key lead creative basically points to the Halo series being shuttered for the next 10 years at least
But like I said, Microsoft couldn't destroy 343i as a developer because how do you destroy something that was never good in the first place?
Gears and Halo are dead man.
No, dude. I'm talking about studios that Sony permanently shut down. Not just ones that had shitty new hires that have all been fired.
Okay, but what in-house developers and studios do they still have? 1st party.
Bruh. Yes, they did. I'm not going to sit here and list them because there are more than 5.
Not really.
Redfall was a rotten game to its core, polish and bug fixes would not have been enough to save it.
they're doing better than ever, "winning" the console war doesn't mean anything anymore, moron
they're getting outsold 3:1 by a console with no games. Xbox is even worse than last gen.
Literally no games the only relevant thing was starfield and it was a massive flop
Because it's trash as always, you don't take the Phil Spencer shitposts seriously do you?
But goypass makes money
>Bethesda destroyed themselves.
You would not be here saying that if Starfield was legit GOTY
>You would not be here saying that if Starfield was legit GOTY
I'm completely confused by your statement
If your implication is that people would be attributing STarfield's success to Microsoft and not Bethesda alone were it GOTY, then you'd be wrong.
Most people attribute Hi Fi Rush being good down to Tango, not Xbox. The game was well into production and well past pre-production when the acquisition went through, so we know that Xbox had minimal effect on how it came out. That game is my GOTY and I don't give Xbox any credit for how it turned out, though I'm happy tons of people played it all the same.
Same with Starfield: it was always going to live and die on its own merit. If there's any effect Xbox had on it, it was giving them an extra year to iron out most of the bugs. But the reality is that the game's design was always going to be sitting on Todd and EMil's heads, for good or ill
Most people attribute Hi Fi Rush being good down to Xbox. If Starfield was a genuine GOTY quality game, people would be attributing the game's success to Xbox and not just Bethesda. If you think otherwise, you're moronic.
"winning" the console war doesn't mean anything anymore is what I would say if I were losing.
>Hi Fi Rush
Great Xbox game from Microsoft
>Battletoads
Nobody could make it good not Microsoft's fault
>Sea of Thieves, Viva Pinata
Great Xbox games by Microsoft one of the best developers in the industry
>everything else made by Rare since Microsoft bought them
Rare was never good, has nothing to do with Microsoft
>Fable 1/2
Great series thanks to Microsoft
>Fable Legends
>Any Fable sequel
Lionhead was always garbage not Microsoft's fault
>Scalebound
Kamiya was always a hack not Microsoft's fault
>Crackdown
Great Xbox game brought to you by Microsoft
>Crackdown 3
No one could make this good it's literally impossible not Microsoft's fault
>Forza 7
Based Microsoft does it again
>Forza Motorsport
Turn 10 are hacks not Microsoft's fault please understand
>Halo 1/2/3
Greatest Xbox IP of all time created by Microsoft
>Halo 4/5/Infinite
Nobody could make Halo good they were never good in the first place
>Redfall
Arkane was never good not Microsoft's fault
>Starfield
Greatest RPG ever made KinoHoward's magnum opus all thanks to based Phil
>Starfield
Bethesda destroyed themselves Zenimax would have blown it too
Xbox always wins.
Cope: the post
I mean, you're being sarcastic, but Starfield was literally in production long before the aquisition and Sony even tried to make it a timed Playstation exclusive like they did with Deathloop. That was actually one of the main reasons why MS bought Bethesda. I guarantee you if Starfield was a Playstation exclusive and in the exact same state as it is right now, it would sit at a 90%+ critic rating and would have very positive, maybe even overwhelmingly positive reviews on Steam.
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I was never a fan of Bethesda games. I never even finished Skyrim, I thought FO4 was garbage and FO3 was overrated as frick. But it's very clear to me that the backlash against Starfield is not about the quality of the game. It is 100% in line with other Bethesda titles and even more polished with less bugs than any of their previous games had on release. The xbox penalty is a real thing. Any game that comes out as an xbox console exclusive suffers at least a -10 in the review scores and aggregated player scores. Starfield being by far the biggest, most hyped up xbox console exclusive means the entirety of the Playstation fanatics deemed it paramount to destroy this game's reputation by any means necessary.
>I'm not a Bethesda fan...But it's very clear to me that the backlash against Starfield is not about the quality of the game
>It is 100% in line with other Bethesda titles
It isn't
The core aspect of the Bethesda games that made them appealing (the bespoke, hand-crafted spaces to explore) is nearly completely gone from Starfield
As a result, all the flaws of Bethesda games are left bare without anything to counter-balance the experience
that is simply a lie though. Starfield has handcrafted environments, bigger ones than any of their previous games actually. It also has randomly generated planets to explore that aren't part of the story progression. It has both, it didn't get rid of the handcrafted spaces in favor of the randomly generated ones, it just added the randomly generated ones on top of handcrafted ones. Oh and by the way, the Bethesda game with the least amount of handcrafted content is still Daggerfall, that is almost entirely randomly generated. How is it that those same hipsters and contrarians that shit on Starfield for having randomly generated content would cite Daggerfall as a cult classic and as one of Bethesda's best games?
Starfield has handcrafted environments interspersed through a proc-gen galaxy and, as a result, the bespoke elements of the game are not actually visible by the naked eye from one part of a map to another.
The basic issue is that the ability for my wanderlust to carry me from one point of interest to another is made nearly impossible if the only way for me to become aware of those points of interest is via a quest-marker popping up over the planet I have to fast-travel to.
>Most people attribute Hi Fi Rush being good down to Xbox.
Citation needed because I have not seen a single person claim that Hi Fi Rush is good because of Xbox.
I've seen people say it was able to reach a lot more people because is shadow-launched on Game Pass.
I've seen people say that it's a big win for Xbox because it's a good exclusive.
But I've seen maybe 1 person claim that Xbox had a positive effect on Hi Fi Rush's development/outcome. AT best, it's nice that Xbox is expanding Tango in response to Hi Fi Rush's success. But aside from that, I do not see people here on Ganker or on other forums like reddit claiming that Hi Fi Rush's quality is a function of Xbox's involvement
Then you need to lurk more.
I think you need to provide evidence more
>I think you need to provide evidence more
>evidence more
What he said makes complete sense
>I think you need to provide [more] evidence
You should provide more articles of evidence to back this claim
>I think you need to provide evidence [more]
I think you need to provide evidence more [often]
Funnily enough, exactly the same context in which you used it.
MS has a completely hands-off approach to managing their first party studios. If you can blame them for failures like Redfall, you also have to praise them for successes like Hi-Fi Rush. Both results are born from the same management style.
The thing is they don't blame them for failures like Redfall, that was all Arkanes fault. But with games like Starfield it was Xbox that made them a success, until it wasn't. If a game does well it's because of Microsoft's good management of the studio, even if it was already in post-production by the time microsoft bought the studio. But if it gets panned then it has nothing to do with Xbox AND it has nothing to do with the quality of the game. It's the Xbox penalty that comes with it.
if Redfall was a Playstation exclusive and in the exact same state as it is right now, it would sit at a 90%+ critic rating and would have very positive, maybe even overwhelmingly positive reviews on Steam.
muh redfall
well, which one is it for you? Do you believe MS should do more corporate meddling during the development process and give their first party studios less creative freedom or do you think their current approach is a good one? I mean, flops and bad games occur all the time even when there is a lot of upper management meddling. Just look at this years biggest Playstation exclusives like FF16, Spider-man 2 and Forspoken. The first 2 are maybe not quite as bad as Redfall, but defenitely not what anyone would call good, successful games and forspoken was probably THE worst AAA game of the year.
It happens more often with Microsoft's first party games than the other two.
Xbox's job is to release good games to attract players to their platform.
Redfall and Starfield are on Xbox's face because they're bad. If they were good, I would give the props to their developers because they do the majority of the work.
If a game is conceptually bad, I don't even want it to be greenlit, let alone released and purchased for $70.
Microsoft's influence on their own output should be invisible. It should be downright hard for people to see to what degree Phil and his team are either ironing out development hell issues or just killing projects before they see the light of day
That wasn't your argument. You were sitting here and claiming people would be praising Xbox if STarfield as GOTY instead of blaming Bethesda. You then claimed they (presumably xbox fans) were doing the same (giving xbox credit for a game's success) with Hi Fi Rush right now. And when asked to provide evidence, you had none
You've still yet to provide evidence or a compelling counter-argument for anyone should believe that Xbox would be praised for Starfield's theoretical success in this hypothetical
You're in denial
>You're in denial
Not an argument
Also a claim without any proof since, in order to be in denial, you'd have to prove the point that I'm in denial of, which you still haven't done
>which you still haven't done
>which you still haven't done
I've yet to see a single real shred of proof that the idea of Hi Fi Rush's quality being a result of Xbox's involvement is a widespread or common belief amongst its fans or Xbox fanboys
You're in denial.
Thank you for admitting you made it up
Your entire "argument" is made up and you have no proof for any of it. Thanks for conceding.
>Thanks for conceding
i never did...
>...
I accept your concession.
do you win some Ganker points, elite Gankerner (and former professional redditor) for accepting a concession from me that I never gave? enjoy them
Concession accepted.
>no response
I accept your concession! later
What argument? My argument is that Starfield's frick ups would have been present regardless of whether the game was published by Microsoft or by Zenimax.
And all the evidence supports my claim: the game was well into development prior to the acquisition, it's core design was settled in 2015 after Fallout 4 released and it was well into active development and playable by mid 2018. The Microsoft Acquisition only started in 2020 and finished in 2021. So out of what is ultimately, at minimum a 5 year dev cycle, the core issues that stem from the core design of the game were almost definitely in the game already by the time Xbox acquired Zenimax.
My sources:
https://web.archive.org/web/20210615150516/https://www.theguardian.com/games/2018/jul/18/bethesda-games-interview-todd-howard-pete-hines-elder-scrolls-starfield
Funny how this logic only applies to games like Starfield and Redfall, but not games like Hi-Fi rush and everything other game that was in development before Xbox bought the studios.
>Funny how this logic only applies to games like Starfield and Redfall, but not games like Hi-Fi rush and everything other game that was in development before Xbox bought the studios.
Again, Xbox is responsible for the stinkers because their job is explicitly to prevent them. They get praise for the logistics of preventing bad games from releasing and ensuring a steady stream of good games. How they accomplish that is irrelevant, the goal is that they manager their studios properly.
This takes different forms depending on the studios and any potential issues they have. If Tango can manage itself, then Xbox should just let them go do their thing but keep an eye on them nonetheless.
If Bethesda is being moronic and making a bad design decision, I expect Xbox to go in and re-focus them (TRY A FRICKING GAME DESIGN DOCUMENT, EMIL, IT WONT KILL YOU).
If Redfall is a giant piece of shit from start to finish, I want Xbox to strangle it in the cradle.
Xbox's measure of success is on the macro level, in terms of both consistency of releases and quality.
They get blame for their failures because their job is to have no failures
>muh argument
I wasn't responding to one.
muh shitfield
Honestly if Starfield was just a single planet and about the early days of space colonization and your ship could go into orbit but you were mainly just flying around the planet and to nearby moons/asteroids, it could have been genuinely fantastic. Go big but not ProcGen empty
very well said
>You've still yet to provide evidence or a compelling counter-argument for anyone should believe that Xbox would be praised for Starfield's theoretical success in this hypothetical
>if Starfield was a Playstation exclusive and in the exact same state as it is right now, it would sit at a 90%+ critic rating and would have very positive, maybe even overwhelmingly positive reviews on Steam.
Actually I don't have to. Their objective, regarding their first party output, is to ensure the games they offer their players are good.
Hi Fi Rush is good because of Tango, but Microsoft is culpable for Redfall's frick-ups because they're the publisher and it's their job to try to release the best game possible. Tango is clearly capable of handling themselves, so they get to ride on their own merits.
But It's Microsoft's job to weed out the frick-ups and bullshit-artists from their studios and ensure that any game they release will at least be good by its own intended design and goals. Redfall wasn't.
If Microsoft's job is to only release good games, then I can say they failed to weed out and fix Redfall's issues. And since they clearly had no part in Hi Fi Rush's development, that game's success is given to Tango. Do you see how that works?
You only get praise for your management style when it accomplishes its goals. You're responsible for your frick ups and your lack of frick-ups.
>not understanding the basic format of a sentence
The verb is "provide evidence", I am asking you to do it more frequently than you have been doing (which is none at all)
Also, thank you for failing to provide any counter argument
Xbox has failed in their objective then. There's your counter argument.
>I guarantee you if Starfield was a Playstation exclusive and in the exact same state as it is right now, it would sit at a 90%+ critic rating and would have very positive, maybe even overwhelmingly positive reviews on Steam.
didn't it recently come out through the Insomniac leaks that practically every big, hyped up Sony movie game was a flop with a 400 million USD production budget and that Playstations has way less concurrent active players online at any given time than Xbox does? I would honestly be surprised if Sony will continue to exist as a console manufacturer 20 years from now. Clearly they are more profitable as a 3rd party game developer like Sega, considering they make far more money with their PC ports than with selling those games on Playstation.
leaks basically said Sony only has movie games left and the costs of those games are becoming more and more insane and they dont know how they can keep going when Xbox owns all their best selling games now that cost way less to make and return them way more money in comparison.
yeah the cost of those games seems ridiculous. Journos were talking about Starfield's huge production costs all the time, but why did nobody in the gaming press ever report the outrageously high budget of Spider-man 2? Did they simply not know or was it not reported on purpose?
journalists cried when the leaks happened and told people not to find it because it hurt sony. What did you think?
Greg Miller is not a real journalist.
yeah that was another really weird one. Those same outlets that had zero problems reporting on the Xbox leaks and posting Phil Spencer's emails a couple of months earlier.
>leaks basically said Sony [Xbox fanboy head canon]
>practically every big, hyped up Sony movie game was a flop with a 400 million USD production budget
>400 million USD
Funny how this number goes up every time you post about the leaks.
Just gonna leave this here:
>"According to Famitsu's weekly charts, 2,903 Xbox Series X and 398 Series S consoles were sold in Japan last week, a total of 3,301. By comparison, 2,717 PS5 consoles and 216 PS5 Digital Edition consoles were sold, a total of 2,933."
>posting Japanese sales
>from over a month ago
you're getting desperate now.
The fact that Xbox outsold the PS in Japan, is astounding to me. Idk if I've ever seen this happen. And wow, a whole month, almost not like that isn't recent as frick, you pig shit shill.
>a single weeks worth of Japanese sales that's a month old now
>almost not like that isn't recent as frick, you pig shit shill.
Try harder.
Troon more and cut your throat.
>Honestly, take a walk. You add nothing to this conversation.
That's not how this works, you pathetic child. You checked out first by being a console war homosexual. Just shut the frick up. The men are talking.
>That's not how this works, you pathetic child.
>You checked out first by being a console war homosexual.
>Just shut the frick up. The men are talking.
>Troon more and cut your throat.
"The men are talking"
ywnbaw
Oh yeah the xbox is having it's best performance in japan now isnt it? I saw a chart where the series S outsold the xbox one and the original xbox in japan already.
360 is still king in japan i think. by a good amount. the japanese 360 had actual killer exclusives over there(that the series x can't play, rip).
Nope.
Xbox – 472,992
Xbox One – 114,831
Xbox Series X/S – 204.877
Xbox 360 – 1,616,128
PlayStation 5 – 1.620.838
PlayStation 4 – 9.395.127
Switch – 24.765.130
And I'll leave this here: PS5 has sold over 50 million consoles. How many has Xbox series X sold? Hell I'll be nice and let you combine series x and s even though the s is half the price
how is it possible that despite outselling xbox like 2 to 1, there are less active daily players on Playstation than on Xbox? It can't just be gamepass because Playstation has its own equivalent of that with PS+.
It's not possible cause you just pulled that out of your ass like everything else you're spewing you fricking Xbox pajeet shill
I'm not here to level with your fricking autism. I'm here to discuss hardware, studios, implications, and happenings. Not your homosexual Snoy cuck fantasies. Honestly, take a walk. You add nothing to this conversation.
And yet here you are sperging out like an autist.
Shut the frick up, Black person.
Case in point.
>Wah
The men are talking you pathetic child.
Stop schizo posting, moron.
Sorry meant for
damnit, meant for
People are completely misunderstanding why it's performing so badly, because it isn't only the xbox underperforming. The PS5 is also underperforming. It had a brief spike earlier in the year with supply easing up and a ton of backed up demand being sated, but sales of the PS5 have started to drop pretty hard the last few months as things stabilize.
So what's causing it.
it's the switch. The switch came out too late in the last generation to effect those consoles, but this time they're competing with it from day 1. And the switch is much stronger competition than the Wii U was. While plenty of people are willing to buy both a switch and a PS5 or Xbox, not all switch owners will buy both. And the ones who wont are lost sales compared to last gen. These people, probably 30-40 million customers are not buying a PS5 or Xbox, they're waiting for a switch 2.
As a result the overall sales of Xbox+Playstation will be 30-40million lower than last gen.
All sony fans are trannies I'll prove it, who wants sushi?
>Consoles
>Online
why did you capitalize these words...
PS is dying so hard lmao.
gaming in general is because nobody knows what to play and where to play it anymore. it's all fricked up.
>gaming in general is because nobody knows what to play and where to play it anymore. it's all fricked up.
Nintendo isn't because they realized people will still buy video games that don't look photo realistic if they're run. Considering TotK was heavily based off BotW it probably cost 50 million to make, 20 million to market and will make them a billion dollars. Meanwhile Sony needs to sell 10m copies of Spiderman at full price to break even.
Lmao, 244 million budget and only sold 4 million copies. Grim. People were memeing on Starfield for having "only" 300k concurrent players on Steam, but there has yet to exist a Sony game that reaches 300k concurrent players on any platform.
>xbox this microsoft that
you're all morons. the games suck. notice how all of nintendo's games are good and the switch sells like crazy despite *worse hardware*? games are more important than hardware.
And that's why PS is dying more than ever.
Both Sony and Microsoft have given up on the single player audience because their single player games don't profit anymore. They now focus on online subscriptions to make profit. But if you want to play games online you want to be on the platform with more players, because online games really need a lot of players to function well. So one is destined to win, they can't both survive.
Microsoft is so dead next year.
Their main seller is the series S, but the switch 2 will be a similar price and power level with switch backwards compatibility and new Nintendo exclusives as well as portability. No one is buying the series S after the switch 2 comes out.
They're doing better than ever, selling more consoles doesn't mean anything anymore, moron *posts a one (1) single week of console sales in Japan from over a month ago*
You have no idea what's happening and it's fricking hilarious. Do you really think that was some kind of brag? You're not half as smart as you think you are. You need to STOP, take a breath, and realize you're actually a fricking midwit that has no idea what is happening in this conversation that you inserted yourself into.
>Do you really think that was some kind of brag?
Are you implying it wasn't? Lmao what a moron
Bruh. Your brain is SO FRICKING STUPID that you can't extrapolate from data. You literally have no idea WHAT I'M EVEN TALKING ABOUT. I'm not mad. I just feel like I NEED TO SAY IT LOUDER BECAUSE YOU'RE FRICKING DUMB.
Yeah... Coming from the guy who is literally freaking out over Xbox selling a few hundred consoles more for a week...
I'm not...the moron... trying to... humble brag... about it...
>I'll just leave this here.........
meds.
You should take yours
>no you
lol
Your mum's already taken it.
lol
So what was that meant to be?
>Wah
Your mom spit roasted on your both your granddad's wieners.
Stop schizo posting, moron.
It's literally just "why would I switch over from PlayStation?" and as much as I think the xbox is better, why should they? Xbox doesn't actually do anything important better. I don't like the PS exclusives anymore, but wouldn't have switched to xbox mid gen if I hadn't already sold my PS4 a couple years prior.
If you ask me, a big believer in xbox > PS now, "why should I swap?", I have no answer. You still pay for online, you no longer get games with gold, the console exclusive games are still low quality GaaS shit.
Microsoft literally won the console war.
Sony is living paycheck to paycheck
>~~*Microsoft*~~
good for you, you're happy the israelites won. how brave of you to admit your admiration of them
The fact that Xbox outsold the PS in Japan, is astounding to me. And wow, a whole month, almost not like that isn't recent as frick, you pig shit shill.
Do you really think that was some kind of brag? You're not half as smart as you think you are.
By the way console sales don't matter. Bruh. Your brain is SO FRICKING STUPID that you can't extrapolate from data. You literally have no idea WHAT I'M EVEN TALKING ABOUT. I'm not mad. I just feel like I NEED TO SAY IT LOUDER BECAUSE YOU'RE FRICKING DUMB.
ywnbaw but it would be pretty poetic to have a nice day on Christmas, tbh.
Just SHUT the FRICK up you PATHETIC child... The men are talking....
I have never seen anyone melt down like this in my ~15 years on this website.
You forgot to post ywnbw
Nah, it seems like you're finally coming to terms with that since you reminded yourself.
Damn bro, you were just mashing refresh to hit me with that one. I can see why, what a zinger
>bro
leave the website zoomer
glad you've settled for this little bit as your win
one more "troon" for the road? Jump through the hoop, monkey
>Bruh.
There are 3-5 people shit talking you rn dumbass.
lick my cornhole
And yet you didn't call "him" out for zoomer speak. Curious!
Probably the hardest you'll ever get fricked in your life you self-important little b***h. I'm not refreshing the thread to talk to you, get that through your head. You're like that annoying NPC escort quest, only I'm just stringing you along until you feel moronic enough to stop. Shouldn't be responding to you, but honestly I feel fricking bad for you, on Christmas, acting like this.
>I'm not refreshing the thread to talk to you
>not having threads on auto update
how new are you, Black person. just be honest
Old enough to have F5 wired into my brain and remember when the fricking thing wasn't there so I forget about it. I also have 23 tabs open, and I'm playing an online game..
You can put on this minstrel dance all you want, but you're not fooling a single person here.
lel anon go back to touching yourself incel
Uh oh, the whole fricking troon army's here! HAHAHAHA.
im thinking you lost this thread. go back to the discord to regroup
>We'll get em next time sisters!!
phil's entire philosophy can be summed with his interview, "great games don't sell consoles".
nothing good can ever come from a company led by somebody like him.
while snoy has also gone to shit and have failed repeatedly to create a great game, they have certainly TRIED. multiple times.
xbox has moved on from that, and is fully invested in "offering content, turning games into services, making the BEST DEAL in gaming, undercutting the competition" etc
i can live without that
We aren't, frick off
the ps4 success and xbox one failure was a complete and total fluke. Unexplainable how stupid the Xbox people were. Microsoft over corrected and literally bought out the console war top spot forever. You simply can't compete with Microsoft in any software field
Microsoft has made pretty average to shit games so far but Sony's obsession with bloated movie games and marvel slop doesn't help their case either.
It's impossible for Xbox to catch-up at this point. If I was still an Xbox gamer, I would have switched to PlayStation by now. It's not worth the risk of losing another gen worth of digital games when Xbox shuts down.
>catch-up
weird Black person hyphenating that, return to reddit you virtue signalling attention seeker
I have never seen anyone melt down like this in my ~15 years on this website.
its over. Xbox bought the console war already. Cope and denial threads like this wouldn't exist if we weren't in the immediate fallout of that
Xbox cope
>It's impossible for Xbox to catch-up at this point
Xbox isn't trying to catch up in the traditional sense. They're trying to find blue ocean audiences that aren't already invested in Playstation.
>If I was still an Xbox gamer, I would have switched to PlayStation by now
Most did last gen.
I got an Xbox this gen after having a PS4 Pro I barely used last gen because Game Pass is nice and I like their controller more than the dual sense.
>Xbox isn't trying to catch up
Because they can't.
Fixed that for you.
Sony is not a games company. They make consoles. They have to pay to get games on their consoles. MS just made the down payment for the next fricking 20 years, and they make consoles. Idk, maybe do some math?
Sony is a games company with first party games.
>MS just made the down payment to not make good games
Fixed.
>first party games
lol, at least M$ will have games.
M$ can't into first party, which is why they spend over hundreds of times the budget of a single bloated AAA Sony exclusive to not make games.
>Sony is not a games company
then how come they keep beating Xbox
Idk, maybe the 15 year head start?
>xbox shills in charge of basic math
SIE was founded in 1993. I just rounded. I don't remember when Microsoft's gaming division was founded.
see:
Dude, what's scary is that you're almost indistinguishable from an AI bot.
What's funny is you're worse at basic comprehension than an AI bot
Says the homosexual that bled out in this thread all night over a simple sales number post.
That homosexual is you lmao
>no u
>no u
Hey remember when you tried to brag that Xbox was still king in Japan? Good times.
Pfft, and you say my comprehension is shit.
Your comprehension is indeed shit.
You literally self-inserted yourself (like you narcissists do) at a made up point somewhere you invented (like you narcissists do) in what was supposed to be basically a joke. You deserve to be ridiculed by your peers.
That's a lot of wordslop and projection to say you are functionally illiterate.
Calm down, kid toucher.
You seem to be taking the described events incredibly personally, because this is a lot of projection.
At least I don't project my sexuality everywhere but my own body.
You are completely calm about this.
Seethe. See you in the next one.
Maybe I'll believe you if you say you're not mad for the tenth time.
I'm certainly not anywhere as mad as you are.
>no u
Keep responding.
Dial 8.
You are completely calm about this.
Are you trying reverse psychology on me? I'm not the one that needs to see a therapist lol.
There's that projection again. Seek help.
Oh look. >000
More holes than you'll ever see in your life.
Epic reply. Totally not mad at all.
>You are completely calm about this.
Disengage. You don't have to use male aggression to assert yourself into places you think you belong. This was an M$ thread. Not a Snoy thread. Get a grip.
Sixth time you've said you're not mad. You're over half-way there.
At least I'm not keeping count of made up things I invented in my own head. Holy frick, what is actually wrong with you? The hormones? Maybe turn off the PC for a bit. It's unhealthy to regurgitate this shit all day.
Seventh.
I can guarantee you have come unhinged way more times than that, but I'd have to round up because I'm not autistically keeping track like a massive lunatic.
Man you're a sore loser.
You spent how long shilling and defending Snoy? You're calling ME the loser?
Speaking of things you made up in your head. Why are you so upset?
>inb4 another no u
Name a playstation game that makes it worth switching
Knack
I will never buy a Sony product again.
It sells just as bad as xbone. No idea why are you are singling out this generation.
>Be 2000s Microsoft
>Despite having a half hearted commitment to gaming, put out absolute banger first parties, like Halo, AoE, Flight Simulator, Freelancer, Fable
>Be todays Microsoft
>Zero new successful IP
>Ruin your existing franchises
>Best you can do is buy up studious already past their prime for exorbitant sums of money
>The Insomniac hack really was 9/11 for snoys
it was worse than 911, like a nuclear exchange showing how the future of snoy singleplayer "experiences" is utter garbage
lol part of that leak was Sony internals going 'yeah putting a game on a subscription service instantly kills all it's sales forever'
but hey good luck with gamepass
The key difference between Game Pass and PS+ is what role the game divisions play in their larger parent company.
For Microsoft, Xbox is an interesting excursion into content-creation and video games, significantly different from their B2B monopolies in Office and Windows.
For Sony, Playstation is their life-line, they can't afford to lose a single cent of potential revenue.
GAme Pass can be grown over the long term because Microsoft is comfortable trying to do some weird long-play, even if it's not the most profitable thing it could be immediately. Xbox isn't expected to buoy other divisions out of bankruptcy.
Playstation is the only thing in Sony that is consistently producing profit so they're leaning hard on it and focusing a lot on short-term gain
You misspelled content acquisition. They couldn't develop games. But surely gamepass is different... right?
Microsoft is definitely not just fricking over everyone in the long run with an unsustainable business model, right?
>No one wants to pay for Boreizon Forbidden Awards
Telling
You might have had a point if the first game didn't end up outselling it despite being just as boring.
social media noise only care about sony. that is the issue. Both consoles have the same games. but social media only care about sony.
No, the issue is that the handful of games that sony has that xbox doesn't are the ones that get talked about.
Because, go figure, when you have an exclusive, that is, a reason to buy the system, people will opt for that system.
>they're on PC!
sure, usually after a year or two. People are talking about slop-man 2 because it just came out, people are talking about the nu-gow expansion cause it just came out. That shit ain't on xbox my guy, what did xbox release this quarter? This year?
Starfield?
Redfall?
Honestly besides forza MS5, I can't think of any remotely decent title put out by XGS this year.
>posts social media collage from xbox fanboy of third party multiplats you can play on other consoles and PC
Gee I wonder why nobody cares about xbox
>repeats the same games multiple times
garbage pic for a garbage console
Terrible thread on Christmas. Xbox sucks, glad some people realized that and moved to pc
>Another L for the Sony cult at Christmas
>they have Gamepass
and the strategy is working, it just needs time to get from 20 million to 50 million then to 100 million, but by the 2030 they will hit 100 million for sure. at that point they might even consider abandoning xbox brand and put gamepass on playstation and nintendo as well. xbox brand is just a dead weight for them.
Xbox cult status: mindbroken on Christmas