>muh righties bad lefties good
then why do leftist and socialist policies result in the nations and societies where they are implemented becoming complete shitholes? the left is literally an evil death cult.
>why does socialism and leftism continually resulting in repeated shitholes upset you so much?
Name 5 concrete socialist policies that result in repeated shitholes, please.
10 months ago
Anonymous
hmm lets see >muh healthcare >muh urban housing developments >no Black person left behind >police state tactics >war on drugs/crime/terror/climate aka ethnic cleansing and pogroms
name 5 socialist countries that arent shitholes
>then why do leftist and socialist policies result in the nations and societies where they are implemented
Yes, I am sure making healthcare, housing and education widely available is a bad thing and makes everything worse.
>healthcare
plz wait on line for 8-18 months unless you are a fugee minority >housing
heres a shithole in the middle of a gang infested neighborhood where even the cops dont go >education
heres a school full of illiterate Black folk who prey upon each other
10 months ago
Anonymous
Name 5 conservative havens that aren't shitholes
10 months ago
Anonymous
Japan, United States (surprisingly), Singapore (surprisingly), Botswana, Any German Enclave not in Germany, Molasia, Hong Kong before China took over
10 months ago
Anonymous
>US >Not a shithole
Japan has not ONE city like LA, Detroit or NY, all of those are dirty, smelly and full of crime.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Japan
Qatar
Singapore
UAE
Kuwait
10 months ago
Anonymous
Japan and Singapore, sure, gulf states? Dystopian desert shit holes with insane consumerism mixed with slavery and islam. Try again
10 months ago
Anonymous
Cope westoid. Do you even know how many westcuck homosexuals like you move to gulf states for work because its 10x more money than your pozzed socialist dumpster shithole?
10 months ago
Anonymous
Damn someone got mad, did I hit a nerve? Some consumeristic idiots moving to a shithole to suckle on the tit of arab loosers is not an argument
10 months ago
Anonymous
>losers
Keep projecting socialoid subanimal. You will always be poor.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Oh I see I made a spelling mistake, you got me good there. And your head canon is very cute, I always enjoy reading about my life written by a bitter loser (this fine?)
10 months ago
Anonymous
>homosexuals like you move to gulf states for work
no you moron, hes talking about the millions of indians/pakistanis etc that endure crushing work conditions/living situation for pennies, aka slaves.
the gulf is not and will never be a haven when theres an abused second class being exploited for profit.
t. born and raised in the gulf
10 months ago
Anonymous
Damn someone got mad, did I hit a nerve? Some consumeristic idiots moving to a shithole to suckle on the tit of arab loosers is not an argument
You sound like a commie and I hate commies. I hope you get dead soon.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>you need to worship corporations to not be a commie!
Why even live if you choose to be so dishonest all the time? You have nothing to live for.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I am norwegian and us scandinavians live pretty comfy. I know we are not socialists but I also think socialism is dumb. We do have all those policies you listed however, (that technically has nothing to do with socialism). But let me guess, no true scotsman?
10 months ago
Anonymous
Norway is almost cheating given you guys have a small population got very lucky with oil but then didnt go full moron like most nations that happens to and actually used the money right. >That one Norwegian I know that hates Denmark and Sweden >He jumps the border constantly to buy food and shit from Sweden because its cheaper
10 months ago
Anonymous
Common misconception, Norway was already doing quite well and had all the mentioned social programs before we found oil (I will of course not deny that it helps and we are far better off with it than without but its effects are overrated), this still doesn’t explain why denmark and sweden can do it. And no real scandi actually hates each other, it’s more like siblings bantering
10 months ago
Anonymous
The story as I know it is norway was a slightly bigger version of iceland with a fish based economy till you guys found oil and went to moon. Also ya all 3 of you guys do fine. Norway and denmark have a population of what 5mil? 99% one race? >My states population is more than 4x your entire nation
Ide like to see the mountains of Norway.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Sure, we did have an advantage of low population and resources. I do however, believe our disagreement is whether or not some version of our government can be scaled up. I believe it can and that it will greatly improve your society. It comes at the cost of a, probably very painful, reform.
You are more than welcome, Lofoten is your best choice.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I think what America needs the most is voting reform. Some form of ranked voting and breakup of the megablocks of the 2 parties would be great. Some more social reform would also be great. I think you really can feel a shift in how the government is operating and something big will probably happen soon. I dont think it will be like how Norway will be run but its own thing. Should be interesting. Im also glad im not a doomer like so many morons here.
10 months ago
Anonymous
The two party system seems pretty dumb. When you say ranked voting, do you mean something like landowners and educated people etc?
10 months ago
Anonymous
No more like single transferable vote.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Huh, that’s a new concept I haven’t heard about. What do you think the benefits of being able to transfer your vote would be?
10 months ago
Anonymous
It would stop the game theory going on with the current system. Say you claim to be a libertarian for instance. You want the libertarian party to win but you know its a minor party and they probably wont win with your vote. So instead you vote for the republican party who is the major party more likely to win. Your in effect voting against who you want to win by hedging on the more likely next best thing. With the STV system you can put libertarian as 1st and republican 2nd. Even if your primary selection isnt chosen your vote isnt wasted as it will in effect go to your 2nd best vote. There would be more going on since this would almost certainly require an increase in seats in places people are elected to but again the big thing is there would almost certainly be an increase in third party representation. It wouldnt break the democrats or republicans, at least not at first, but it would be a huge step towards more party diversity in government.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Ah that’s what you mean by transferable, I have heard of this before. I haven’t thought deeply about it so I don’t have a strong opinion on it, but it sounds nice at least
10 months ago
Anonymous
Ranked choice voting removed the "wasted vote on a nobody" scenario >Government is dominated by two political parties (US lol) >Voting for a 3rd party is always a wasted vote, they always lose >Reason why they always lose is because voters are afraid of wasting their vote on them >Ranked choice means that you can vote for party #3, with party #1 or #2 as a secondary. >If party #3 drops out, your vote is transferred to your secondary, allowing you to vote who you believe, without having your vote wasted. >Voting for more varied parties is much more viable and accessable
Still some issues, but it's much much better than what we have currently.
10 months ago
Anonymous
All nordic countries got wealthy first, then implemented massive socialist free gibs reforms. You are lying about the cause and effect. Ask how much your grandparents got free money from state. Ask your parents.
Ultimately it doesn't even matter what the details of the system are, because of our genetic stock. You may be a gullible low iq gay prone to homosexuality and transvestitism, but so what, there's always failures in human populations. I'm still here and I can simply carry the slack of few yous. And because the system doesn't ultimately matter (I can make any system work), the most correct system is least complex, least reforms, least manipulated, least esoteric. Just let people keep their produce, the end.
Nordic countries are successful because the people are competent, simple as.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Didn’t you read my other post? Norway had all the aforementioned social policies way before we found oil and became rich, same with Sweden and Denmark, so you are just wrong. Second, this is the second time itt I have had the pleasure of reading about my life from the perspective of some bitter losers head canon. Third you are just wrong again, free markets only work under certain circumstances. There needs to be competition, the consumers have to be able to choose between those competitors and they need information about them. This is really nice in aome sections of society, I am a capitalist after all. However, there are many areas where this is not the case, health care schooling, and in some sense housing. The more well functioning members there are in society, the better it is in total. Everybody wins if they pool togheter some of their money to make the most people around them productive, happy and civilised. Nordic countries are competent because we did the above mentioned.
>then why do leftist and socialist policies result in the nations and societies where they are implemented
Yes, I am sure making healthcare, housing and education widely available is a bad thing and makes everything worse.
Shitting in a river isn't pollution like how shitting in a forest isn't littering. It's part of the ecosystem. Pollution requires an ecologically harmful material, such as a poisonous substance.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Actually shitting in a river is polluting. It's why predators help keep rivers clean when they chase away animals.
No we didn't, we cut down forests and hunted megafauna to extinction. The UK only pursued coal because they had run out of wood to burn. Preindustrial humanity was chewing through all available resources just as we are today, the decline was slower than now as there were new lands to expand into and far fewer hands grabbing for them but without industrialising our self destruction was inevitable. At least now we have a chance.
moron, preindustrial human society worked on boom-bust cycles like any biological system
Industrial society works the same way, only there will be just one bust and no coming back from it. It's exactly what doomed us to self destruction.
Dumb homosexual
Right, that's what faith and culture is for. Maybe turning away from God and rejecting your role as steward of the Earth wasn't for the best after all.
Capitalism is the best system in existence to lift people out of poverty that has ever existed. Yet, when divorced from the faith and culture the free world was founded on, and secularism takes hold, look how rapidly even our greatest economic system mankind has ever achieved can devolve into something restrictive and oppressive. Amazing, isn't it?
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Capitalism is the best system in existence to lift people out of poverty that has ever existed
Tell that to the 40 million people living under poverty line in the US. Also, what has greatly improved the quality of life and human development are government measures such as free education, health care, etc.
10 months ago
Anonymous
t. never read an economics book in his life, knows nothing older than 20 years ago
10 months ago
Anonymous
nta but recommend me an economics book for someone that hasn't read a single thing on economics.
10 months ago
Anonymous
10 months ago
Anonymous
Thank you.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I get what you're trying to say but you need growth to build a public system out of. Capitalism has worked well for that. Decentralized socialism might work better but has never really been tried because no socialist has ever stuck to it. And if a country's industry and political leaders were trustworthy enough to pull off decen socialism, they wouldn't need to in the first place because they would run the capitalist society with taxed public services just fine without corrupting it.
10 months ago
Anonymous
There's still a lot of poverty but nowadays you can go from homeless to millionaire with a single lottery ticket : back then you were set since birth, you'd grow as a serf and stay one until the end.
10 months ago
Anonymous
The system fell apart because the men at the top of the faith-based order no longer cared about it. It was always going to fail, any top-down system always does. How can you trust a president or banker or pope just because they claim to be faithful?
The rejection of religious supremacy is just realizing these people do not care for the system. Leftists realize this and seek to destroy it entirely, right-wingers just delusionally seek to re-establish it again and hope it works better "this time"
10 months ago
Anonymous
>The system fell apart because the men at the top of the faith-based order no longer cared about it.
Right. They lost faith in the guiding principles of the country and became selfish and greedy.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, precisely. Wanting to re-establish a national order like that is naive and based on the idea that if the common citizen "believed" hard enough, their leaders would lead justly and not ruin the society once more. But it doesn't work that way.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I think that's unreasonably pessimistic conclusion, given that those principles built all of Western civilization out of the mud.
10 months ago
Anonymous
It's not that simple. Western civilization was built on values that preceded Christianity. The success of Christianity was in some sense the result of a similar thing happening to those values in the past. The idea of our politicians and priests leading us by faith in disparate gods seem so silly now and relegated to backwards countries like India but it worked once.
If something will improve Western civilization now, it will be a revolution that establishes a new values system all over again. I'm not saying it has to be the anarchism-socialism-Marxism spectrum, but it won't be like the Christian-led world order up until now, just like when the Roman world fell, they never went back to a pantheon-led society
10 months ago
Anonymous
Yet, that's not what lead to the atrocities of the 20th centuries. That was secularism. Faith leads to the liberation and flourishing of mankind. It seems the solution is to hold our leaders to a higher standard and ensure men of faith are in positions of leadership.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>It seems the solution is to hold our leaders to a higher standard and ensure men of faith are in positions of leadership.
How? This is the part where it always fails. You can try your hardest to build a society based on pretty much the best values ever established by man, and the moment someone at the top stops believing in them even if they claim otherwise, it just rots all the way down.
You can't really criticize Marxists for their absurd belief that their revolution will work "this time" if your solution is also to trust leaders to stay true to a values set "this time". Seems to me that it's more of a solution where the sound of it makes you feel good, than one with any guarantee of working.
Simply put, even if there is a perfect religion to centre a civilization around, you can't prove that its leaders believe in it, and that makes it fundamentally identical to a secular society eventually.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>How?
By their deeds.
kek are you the "pre-enlightenment reactionary" from the BG3 thread?
No.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Can you point to an example of a country that right now is succeeding because they have a faith-based society whose leaders are held to account by their deeds and all of that actually works?
10 months ago
Anonymous
Poland
10 months ago
Anonymous
Doesn't it have an ongoing cost of living crisis just like everywhere else in the Western world? What about their leadership is any different?
Yet it's not a secular society, dipshit. Western society developed a separation of church and state, not a separation of faith and state.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>clamp on social freedoms to re-establish Christian societal order >zero rise in living standards
Not exactly the poster child I would have picked for conservatism
10 months ago
Anonymous
>>zero rise in living standards
Still doing better than the rest of Western society in this globalist hellscape of a climate.
10 months ago
Anonymous
delusional kurwaBlack person
10 months ago
Anonymous
You're the one that can't see the forest for the trees here my friend.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Kurwas are Black folk and survive purely on selling out to the current best offer. Always was, always were, always will be
10 months ago
Anonymous
How? Are you just saying because you are not bothered by LGBT there, that their faith-based leadership is better, despite no difference in living standards? You can't just use your own personal desires to measure the success I mentioned, we could just go all day finding people that "like" a liberal or conservative society more and it would just affirm our respective points.
on social freedoms to re-establish Christian societal order
We did that here when the US was founded too, freedom was never supposed to be a license to do harm. Your rights have limitations.
Can you elaborate more? How is journalistic independence and freedom to have homosexual intercourse harmful to society?
10 months ago
Anonymous
>How is journalistic independence and freedom to have homosexual intercourse harmful to society?
If you knew anything about history you would know how.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Explain, then. A short version at least. Nothing in the history I've read indicates either thing is a drawback for society in the modern day. The former allows free flow of information and news and varying opinions to bounce off each other, the latter just lets people engage recreationally and sexually and just improves general happiness.
10 months ago
Anonymous
on social freedoms to re-establish Christian societal order
We did that here when the US was founded too, freedom was never supposed to be a license to do harm. Your rights have limitations.
10 months ago
Anonymous
kek are you the "pre-enlightenment reactionary" from the BG3 thread?
10 months ago
Anonymous
But anon, God is dead.
The new faith must be a unifying philosophy of Man. It can't be bullshit, because it has to accurately guide Man in order to be widely accepted.
>Is the full game any good?
It's a slight expansion on the demo, it's fun but it's extremely short. I expected the demo to be a taste but instead it's near replication of the final game but the final game only has three maps/biomes. I was hoping for a ton of biomes, not three. Worth it if it's sale, otherwise meh.
Solar is a dogshit alrenative energy source for most countries. Germany FRICKED their power up for decades by moving so much it when, surprise surprise it's too fricking cloudy in Germany to make it viable.
Wind is good though.
Germans are truly moronic when it comes to energy. They're so obsessed with shitty Solar, but avoid Nuclear like the plague to the point where they went back to using coal since they had no nuclear plants anymore.
Germans are truly moronic when it comes to energy. They're so obsessed with shitty Solar, but avoid Nuclear like the plague to the point where they went back to using coal since they had no nuclear plants anymore.
What is wrong with germans? The green party celebrating closing all nuclear plants in the country is like a frickin comedy sketch. What rotten veggies did they eat to think thats a green idea?
Because the media and coal conglomerates have convinced the population that any nuclear power plant is a Chernobyl/Fukushima just waiting to happen, and Germans are moronic.
I don’t think a lot of people realize how many environmental problems could be fixed just from a pivot to nuclear.
Insofar as most people even think about it at all, all that comes to mind for them are the leaky drums full of spent fuel rods getting dumped into a massive pile at the bottom of salt mines or the deep ocean what will kill anything that gets near them for ten thousand years.
>Because the media and coal conglomerates have convinced the population that any nuclear power plant is a Chernobyl/Fukushima just waiting to happen, and Germans are moronic.
No, the germans were against it before Chernobyl/Fukushima. German's anti-nuclear activists were literally funded by the soviets, we have the receipts. The stupid germans were psyoped so badly they'll never recover.
>The green party celebrating closing all nuclear plants in the country is like a frickin comedy sketch
This is every green party in the world. I think green parties have been infiltrated by big oil. Since that's who they benefit the most by constantly sabotaging nuclear power.
Russian infiltration. Unironically. It is (or was) in Russia's best interests to keep Europe hooked to it's natural gas exports, and nuclear would have completely undercut that. They were just especially effective in Germany because half the country is ex-stasi.
>Wind is a fricking eyesore
Most wind farms are build in fields in the middle of nowhere, its a lot better than what Germany does for their coal plants. The wind farm in this picture is going to be dismantled so they can expand the coal farm.
Oh because nuclear is not an eyesore and having an accident is super safe, right? It's high risk, high reward and the risk is making a zone unlivable for at least a hundres years.
name 5 places that are uninhabitable because of a nuclear power pllanet accident
10 months ago
Anonymous
A few years ago old people literally went to die in japan to clear a radioactive accident.
Anyhow, here's what my 5 second google came up with:
Chernobyl Nuclear Disaster.
Fukushima Nuclear Disaster. Japan 2011 (INES Level 7) ...
Kyshtym Nuclear Disaster. Russia 1957 (INES Level 6) ...
Windscale Fire Nuclear Disaster. Sellafield, UK 1957 (INES Level 5) ...
Three Mile Island Nuclear Accident. Pennsylvania, USA 1979 (INES Level 5) ...
Now, i don't know which places you can't go specifically, but you're stupid if you think nuclear waste isn't a thing.
10 months ago
Anonymous
based on various bomb test sites we've seen that we over-estimated how permanent the damage done by radiation really is, as in it dissipates quicke than we thought. Only places with a full on meltdown like Chernobyl are truely unsafe to inhabit. Nuclear plants produce very little actual nuclear waste, and while it is very dangerous it's also mostly produced by old plants. Modern plants are significantly more efficient and can re-use the waste to a greater degree.
The unfortunate reality is that producing power of any kind creates pollution and costs lives. Nuclear means not having to depend on oil nations, it means concentrating the waste in a dense, physical format and limiting the loss of life. It's highly efficient and the amount of fission material we have available should last us several more centuries.
I think the risks are worth it.
10 months ago
Anonymous
People are still gaslit by the 70's and 80's commie propaganda of the "no nuclear" (in the west of course) and still believe modern nuclear plants work the same way as the ones from the 60's and 70's.
Unless someone does an incredibly stupid thing like building a nuclear plant right on top of a seismic flaw, modern nuclear power plants are as safe as anything else.
there's currently a bunch of talk about how wind turbines are killing whales in the north sea. Also keep in mind that most components of solar panels and wind turbines cant actually be recycled so you're still just burying a bunch of waste while the returns are really not very significant. Nuclear and hydro-electric power are the best options
>Wind is a fricking eyesore
There are few human created things more aesthetically pleasing than windmills, including wind farms, you autistic piece of shit
I dont understand how Germans can simultaneously be some of the most brilliant doctors and machinists/weapons manufacturers in the history of the world and yet still do moron shit like this with their political policies.
Two separate German races of builders/farmers and politicians/artists, the builders/farmers are the ones that can make wonders while the politicians and artists are the ones that frick up everything
>Wind is good
You mean those giant wind turbines that can break under even the slightest breeze, kill thousands of birds yearly, and can never be recycled because the materials are exceedingly hazardous?
>You mean those giant wind turbines that can break under even the slightest breeze
There are hundreds of wind farms around the world that have been operating for years if not decades. How do you reconcile this reality with your idea of turbines shattering in the wind like graham crackers?
>How do you reconcile this reality with your idea of turbines shattering in the wind like graham crackers?
I reconcile it by pointing out that we have massive grave sites for wind turbines that are made of such toxic materials that they'll never break down back into the earth, and can't even be recycled, so we have to ruin acres of land just to bury them.
Is there a rule that says you have to make them out of non-recyclable shit? Does the illuminiati come by and anal rape you to death if you build one out of steel or aluminium some shit?
While Germany sacrificing it's nuclear power grid for renewables is moronic beyond belief solar isn't actually useless, it's great for single buildings and as a supplemental power source it just isn't suitable for being the primary energy source of a country.
Solar will never be viable for the mere fact that there isn't enough silver in this world to make it happen.
>Wind is good
You mean those giant wind turbines that can break under even the slightest breeze, kill thousands of birds yearly, and can never be recycled because the materials are exceedingly hazardous?
>You mean those giant wind turbines that can break under even the slightest breeze
Doesn't happen, stop pretending to be a contrarian, simply the materials they are made and efforts that they are exposed were tested by beforehand >kill thousands of birds yearly
Good. Bird who get killed by wind turbines are usually predatory foreign species >and can never be recycled because the materials are exceedingly hazardous?
True to a degree, but I think even car batteries can be recycled these days by giving them proper treatment
huh? germany is not obsessed with solar, that's china. germany is investing in wind energy like nobody else, and it has driven the countries energy prices to astronomical levels, while still having to rely mostly on coal, oil and gas. Wind energy is total and utter trash.
The best "clean" energy sources to this very day are nuclear by far, followed by hydro. Problem with nuclear is that you need a lot of competent and smart people to work the power plants, while you need a lot of rivers for hydropower. Both are cheaper than a comparable wind/solar power source.
You know these games were created and produced by Kojima? I always thought the cartridges having a built in solar sensor was a bizarre insane gimmick until I learned that. It's just typical Kojima shit. That's why the Gun del Sol is in MGS4.
I feel like you only heard about this game from some youtube video.
It's also not typical Kojima shit. The plots moronic but not metal gear moronic nor does it ride up the dick of military related shit.
Also after the first game, the series completely removes the stealth component and it just becomes a fairly generic top down action game.
The first games stealth elements are perfect for the series though.
The fact that the later games removed it just made the games worse.
You can't rely on the sun, and when you don't have access to the sun, your ammo is heavily limited and every encounter requires you to spend solar power on your gun to shoot them. So as the real world becomes darker you have to play the game as a stealth game.
The only real issue was with the pile driver mechanic forcing you to use the sun to progress the game after you defeat any boss. Requiring you to just straight up stop playing until you can get any kind of sunlight.
Solarpunk isn't a real genre or even aesthetic. There's like what, less than 10 pictures that get endlessly reposted? I'd be down for it even, it's aesthetically pleasing. But let's not kid ourselves. Anyway, to save this waste of a thread, how would (you) design a solarpunk game?
Wipeout is the only solarpunk game.
People who think solarpunk is some ghibli shit but with solar panels make me sick, this is what it's supposed to look like
Hmm. >No stupid trees on buildings >Vast network of train tracks (or I hope it's train tracks and not roads for cars) >Lots of greenery for small parks >Massive buildings to house many people (high-density cities are usually more energy efficient)
I'll say it's pretty good, but it could be a bit more dense, I takeback my claim on saying that you were trolling.
How can a readily available energy source in a post scarcity world have "punk" attached to its genre?
Unless it's literally some kind of barren desert hellscape and only one powerful guy controls the panels that generate enough power for the water pumps or some shit, I don't see how you can "punk" up that aesthetic.
Advocates of solarpunk are very pro-anarchy, hence the -punk.
I went to a solarpunk r*ddit and look at their view on nuclear, they don't like it. Biggest reason why they hate it because it requires a centralized power (as well as the usual misinformation regarding nuclear energy, like nuclear waste and 'muh Chernobyl/Fukushima').
I thought they'll be on board with nuclear power, guess not. They want the entire world to be a massive rural commune.
>hate centralised power >want efficient, affordable solar panels for all
Wonder how they justify solar being easier to power a farm than diesel or biogas when solar only got so cheap thanks to the largest centralised power on Earth.
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Anonymous
I dont think thats a contradiction though. The theme generally seems to be a scaling back down of society so you could utilize the advanced made by generations before you.
Yeah, basically it's supposed to be a fantastical vision of a futuristic utopia filled with green and parks everywhere while all the buildings and roads/transport networks efficiently generate power and concentrate populations where they're needed most to fit into the green aesthetic, not this gay >buildings.. but overgrown! reddit tumblr shit
In reality it would of course be an absolute nightmare just like steampunk because humans aren't designed to live like efficient little ants in a worker colony which is where the punk comes in, only robots or hive mind aliens could live like that
if only EA would make me3...
learning from the open world extra activities and decent combat system of 2 with the unique and varied level design of 1.... 3 could be pretty good
also bring back the cast of 1, and the animated story style too
reminder that producing solar panels involves mining limited rare earth minerals and the creation of toxic byproducts which usually aren't disposed of properly, and the panels only last about 25 years
Nuclear is by far the most efficient, greenest form of energy ever devised, the only reason you'd think otherwise is you've been swindled by the big coal israelite. Really take two seconds to think about it, boiling water vs burning fossil fuel, wow I wonder which one is worse for the environment.
I work in the nuclear industry, please don't type out stuff like this again as it makes us look bad. Coal plants also generate electricity by boiling water.
>Coal plants also generate electricity by boiling water.
And how do they boil the water?
10 months ago
Anonymous
If you want to form a more educated argument be my guest, I had no qualms with anything else you said besides the antisemitic remark.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>I had no qualms with anything else you said besides the antisemitic remark.
And there it is, big coal israelite reveals himself. Sorry coal shill but burning fossil fuels to is obviously way worse than using fission.
10 months ago
Anonymous
No shit I didn't argue with that. Just educate yourself on what is and is not a boiler.
10 months ago
Anonymous
They're both boilers. All human history is using fricking water to turn wheels. How you get there is the part that matters and burning anything to do it is a shit way to generate energy.
10 months ago
Anonymous
If you are the person I originally quoted, then you are moving goalposts in serious bad faith and strike me as controlled opposition with your wanton misrepresentation of facts for a standard pro nuclear argument and blatant antisemitism.
10 months ago
Anonymous
nuclear is what shall propel humanity to the stars redditor
10 months ago
Anonymous
Explain Solarpunk to me.
Imagine this but it's sunny daytime, all the cars hover and the buildings look like a post-modern architects wet dream
Looks nice and clean on the surface but it's grimy and dystopian underneath the facade of future optimism
Art Nouveau (usually) with a sci-fi twist and an emphasis on environmentalism and sustainable living.
It's an aesthetic. Society is downscaled to a sustainable level, but they are technologically advanced. Lots of focus on nature and humanity taking up less space with dense vertical structures.
Some tumblrites saw these pictures and mantled it for their ecological model of a utopian society, but there's been a context with these bright and sunshiney overgrown towers people live in on little island platforms - probably a catastrophe wiping out much of society and the remnants letting the world heal a bit. Without this context, the only real way you could tone down the global population enough to make the water you live next to actually blue is a very strict governing body that is very effective in enforcing its agenda.
Golden age of sci fi: Technology is invented, it does something bad and unexpected, MAN SHALL NOT TRESPASS ON GOD's DOMAIN!
pessimistic in tone
Silver Age of Sci fi: Technology is invented and serves as a means to create a story for the characters to deal with, characters are all manly competent men with nerves of steel, most likely author stand ins. very optimistic in tone
Cyberpunk: Technology is advanced but societal problems have only gotten worse, the main characters are the dregs of society usually criminals. pessimistic in tone
Post Cyberpunk: Technology is advanced but some societal problems have gotten worse, some however have improved or even been eliminated, the characters are usually working class but functional members of society just trying to make do. realistic in tone
Solar Punk: The world is on the mend due to advancing technology, but not everything is perfect but still things are good and getting better, cautiiously optimistic in tone.
Ok, now can anyone actually name a single so-called "solar-punk" work of fiction where the setting is actually an eco-friendly dystopia?
What solar punk actually is is hippy morons who didn't realize that the "punk" suffix only applies to dystopias and thinking that it was just some cool label to slap onto their vapid eco-utopia artworks. Then when they got called out for being morons, they had to pretend that said artworks had some element of dystopia to them to save face (they don't).
10 months ago
Anonymous
>punk anything
Fricking kys yourself
its a meme
people just slap "punk" onto anything now to give it more cred
its just a marketing strategy, nothing more
>138 Dystopian novels published
Because Utopia doesn't make for interesting stories. Stories have problems. Utopia, by definition, has no problems.
>We need Solarpunk because carbon go up
This is fricking stupid.
Standing around thinking about how better the world could be isn't going to make it how it should be.
The whole point of the '-punk' genres is that there's some form of underground movement to it. Like the fricking root of these, cyberpunk. Which focuses on how technology divorces the common man from living free. And thus, most cyberpunk fiction focuses on these struggles
What themes does putting solar panels on everything provide? Environmentalism? But if the environmentalists are the dominance in this situation, does this mean the 'punk' in the setting refers to fricking coal Barons?
Would the issue about the 'punk' in solarpunk be fixed if it was called solarcore instead, like cottagecore?
10 months ago
Anonymous
That would help a lot, especially to indicate that it's an aesthetic, not an actual fiction genre or anything substantial.
10 months ago
Anonymous
cottagecore, also known as my own culture.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>it was just some cool label to slap onto their vapid eco-utopia artworks
yep. same goes for steampunk
10 months ago
Anonymous
Steampunk has all the same themes as cyberpunk and fundamentally works as a dystopian "punk" genre, it's maligned as a clown genre because it got extensively molested by cosplayers and feminists who didn't understand either the core dystopian element of the genre and/or didn't understand or appreciate cultural, social or political aspects of the dickensian take on the industrial revolution that informs proper steampunk and just used it for their shitty power fantasies or cog fop/bawd trash.
On the other hand, solarpunk has absolutely no dystopian elements to misinterpret or ignore, it's fundamentally utopian.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Solarpunk only looks utopian at surface level, nobody can actually live like that and be happy
10 months ago
Anonymous
>posts gay hippie shit in an unlivable Detroit shithole
Nah
It's supposed to be untenable and unworkable fiction like steampunk that looks cool on paper, it's massively underused
10 months ago
Anonymous
Demolition Man.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Several episodes of the show Charlie Jade are set in a solarpunk authoritarian alternate universe
Mirror's Edge (Specifically the first one)
10 months ago
Anonymous
Funniest to me is calling The Flintstones "stonepunk"
10 months ago
Anonymous
this is a very funny post and im going to think about "stonepunk" anytime this kind of discussion comes up
10 months ago
Anonymous
Stonepunk games:
Tail of the Sun
Prehistorik Man
Joe and Mac
Congo's Caper
Chrono Trigger (partial)
Live A Live (partial)
Flintstones games (obviously)
10 months ago
Anonymous
For me it's "biopunk"
10 months ago
Anonymous
punk as in anti-establishment
10 months ago
Anonymous
Keep screeching like an autist about a word while I enjoy the art and aesthetic.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>antisemitic
Masterful bait
If however this isnt bait, why the frick are anti nuclear israelites shitting up a vidya board
Living off israelite coal in America all my life so nuclear energy always sounded so cool to me but fear the day when America goes full nuclear(heh). Things like where they could place them would worry me the most. Can they withstand our hazardous weather? Actually forget that, can they withstand the average American? They just seem like a new location for mass shooters to shoot up.
>US gets one of its nuclear reactors up >some Black person tries to rob it for free energy
You know we could just use renewable coal/oil instead of using cancer fluoride water which was the same technology used by the israelites to obliterate two cities and kill millions, right?
Coal and oil are not renewable lol and they are super polluting.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Nice WEF masonic propaganda, CO2 is plant food, and coal and oil are renewed by dead organic matter being pressurized by the crust which is obviously active since we have earthquakes. They burned down Maui and killed thousands to falseflag about climate change and create your 15 minute cities, you'll get the rope once we inevitably win the emergent revolution against CIA shills like you. Solarpunk, or homosexual commiepunk as I like to call it, is just the next propaganda wave for the 15 minute city ideal.
10 months ago
Anonymous
American moment.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Shut the frick up, Europe has already been completely compromised by the Davos agenda and communism, before Europeans actively chose more decentralized pioneer homestead lifestyles once they gained adequate wealth.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Wow, because your souless highways, thousands of parking lots, school shootings and gang violence are so desirable. Detroit says hi.
Do you even know what nuclear waste is? It's just burnt rods that can't maintain heat very long anymore. Those barrels you see all the time are no more than giant bins of used matchsticks. And all the nuclear waste created up to this point fits in an area the size of a warehouse.
Just reminded me of this encounter I had in a game called Cloudpunk. There were these sentient robot "criminals" that instead of robbing and destroying would plant gardens and build playgrounds around the city (this was illegal). At first I was kind of warming up to the concept, but by the end of the conversation I realized the writer was just trying to gaslight me into calling pussy ass b***hes, based. Which they are not. And this is not punk. This is just hippies being hippies.
Language evolves in weird ways. You just learn to live with it at some point.
You know, a survival horror taking place in a Solarpunk setting going apocalyptic like Finch would be interesting.
Sun went from electricity provider to deadly laser after an unknown anomaly make it start to expand at an abnormal rate, all the machines and even AI being powered are now malfunctioning and even going insane due to the power output and something weird keeping them all from instantly exploding and instead causing as much damage as possible. All of this while the planet was already an overpopulated shithole, but with gargantuan megacity infrastructure.
Your objective is getting the frick out of the planet, and get lucky by getting to where a scientific expedition went through a wormhole after scanners revealed a fertile planet with conditions apparently similar to earth.
But who knows, nobody has heard from them in months.
I really like this idea, thanks for bringing it up OP.
I've always wanted a horror game where every scene is blindingly bright, but I don't know how anyone could pull it off without darkness, one of our most primal fears.
There's always the innate fear of predators hiding in plain sight, in tall grass or underwater, or in the skies far up there where we can't see. You would think twice about cutting a path through a meadow if you knew a 10 meter tall eagle could snatch you up at any moment, or approaching a body of water knowing that a giant crocodile may laying in wait.
Hey, that gives me an idea. What about camaleon like monsters that just adjust and change color and contort their bodies to adjust at their surroundings until something gets to close enough to kill it and feast on their guts?
It could be bright as day, with some places with shadows, yet these frickers can be everywhere. Add a feature that randomizes where these frickers could be hiding without any specific spawn points.
I've seen some games do this, thou usually with a very subtle indication that they are around IF you are paying attention. The issue would be how to make them hide in plain sight, especially using anons idea of a solarpunk setting where the sun just instantly cooks whoever gets exposed. How would we make that the monsters can survive in the sun, I don't know.
Solar punk fiction is not inherently utopian, it just builds on the premise of ecotopian ideas.
Lord knows the hippies didn't even live in peace among themselves.
It's a moronic idea if you had any idea the level of work that goes into growing stuff on rooftops. It's a concept exclusively available for the most wealthy.
>It's a concept exclusively available for the most wealthy.
Only because you can't buy houses anymore if you arent rich.
Besides, it's an investment because you can live off the veggies on your roof, just kill all the fricking squirrels
>138 Dystopian novels published
Because Utopia doesn't make for interesting stories. Stories have problems. Utopia, by definition, has no problems.
>We need Solarpunk because carbon go up
This is fricking stupid.
Standing around thinking about how better the world could be isn't going to make it how it should be.
The whole point of the '-punk' genres is that there's some form of underground movement to it. Like the fricking root of these, cyberpunk. Which focuses on how technology divorces the common man from living free. And thus, most cyberpunk fiction focuses on these struggles
What themes does putting solar panels on everything provide? Environmentalism? But if the environmentalists are the dominance in this situation, does this mean the 'punk' in the setting refers to fricking coal Barons?
Generally the conflict of solarpunk is 'enforced utopia' or 'someone else's utopia is not your utopia' or 'everything seems amazing on the surface.. however!' or it can just be a classic class divide thing like the rich in Elysium escaping ruined Earth and living in a perfect ring world instead, lots of ways to approach it and make it interesting
>Standing around thinking about how better the world could be isn't going to make it how it should be.
It's ironic, isn't it?
They call themselves woke but they do little more than dream.
You could make it a -punk setting by having it be a conflict between conventional and these "renewable" energy sources personified by factions.
But there's a lot of problems with this entire theme. its always depict as low population density infrastructure and never bothers showing farmland. No modern society would be sustainable with this shit just because of the sheer population size.
Hell, you could make it -punk by making the pretty appearance a facade for an authoritarian regime that has to dictate every aspect of life as not to exceed their ability to produce and provide power. But that would make it dystopian and they dont want that either.
It'd probably work fine for a final fantasy kind of fantasy world though, purely as an aesthetic style
this is problematic as frick for any dev that tries to portray such a world, outcomes would range from the studio liquidating to leadership getting suicided
ah yes nothing more utopian than afropunk
so what is the utopian solution to Black folk again? >give them whatever they want
uh no, we tried that already
But why Solar?
Solar energy is one of the worst alternatives out there, even in term of pollution emited for their construction and maintenance.
You use that much solar power, now you got 0 electricity at least half of the time, and you're shitting out tons of pollution just to keep your lacking grid running.
Because I imagine it only works with certain genres like platformers or JRPGs and no one’s bothered to make on yet and the industry is filled with people like Nomura and Kojima chasing their fantasies
>see solarpunk thread >don't know what it is so google it >half the thread arguing about european energy sources and left/right american politics
What the frick is wrong with you people
yeah solarpunk is just high tech high life, compare to cyberpunk which is high tech low life
it has nothing to do with left or right or solar energy
Ganker is moronic as always what do you expect
Solatorobo exists, and that pic is extremely evocative of it. Shame it's just a DS game and there's only so much it could do. This could definitely benefit from a remake
Because solarpunk isn't an aesthetic it's a utopian fantasy where cities are covered in trees with nowhere for the roots to grow, where canals and waterworks are placed haphazardly without any care for waste removal, where everything is powered by renewables but without ever showing the massive fields of solar panels, where wind turbines are placed laughably close to living spaces without any concern for the noise, where everyone lives in harmony with nature while no one questions how the materials for all these solar panels will be mined, where power is provided for free 24/7 yet no mention is made for battery storage, where overpopulation is never confronted.
Solarpunk is a hippy joke, a "what if everyone was nice" showerthought without anyone challenging why that isn't the case. Reality is solarpunk has many barriers to reality but even acknowledging them would require the proponents to research what they're talking about which they're not prepared to do, only call anyone challenge this fantasy an evil conservative and return to their hugbox.
>fantasy setting isn't realistic
yeah no fricking shit, do you also autistically breakdown why steampunk 'wouldn't work' when somebody posts a victorian era city with blimps and brass pipes everywhere?
Why yes I do anon. I will happily remind Redditors that steampunk already existed, it was the Victorian era. Because steam isn't a source of energy, the source was burning coal. Pretentious homosexuals don't want to admit they're fantasizing about coalpunk because the reality of that era was thick coal smog covering cities and anyone not rich enough to be a tophat wearing homosexual living outside city limits was dying of bronchitis.
Solarpunk is about clean futurist lines with greenery mixed in dumbo, realismgays trying to dictate what's allowed in fiction are cancer, every last one of your protests can be handwaved with some bullshit about self replicating magic nanomachines or whatever
I don't like overgrown cities so I don't like solarpunk. I think the forests in solarpunk cities make them look like an incoherent mess and it's a little gay too. Not an interesting to explore future either.
I don't mind clean 'sustainable' future cities. The arcology in IW is cool, for instance. But solarpunk takes it too far
>Solarpunk is about clean futurist lines with greenery mixed in dumbo
I don't care if it's realistic or not but you are conflating two different things. Wipeout is not solarpunk, or at the very least some of it's maps are only minimally solarpunk.
>I don't like overgrown cities so I don't like solarpunk
Interestingly the current state of things makes it seem like we're heading towards a decentralized future where smaller communities will again be popular. Things like satellite internet constellations, delivery drones, solar panels, energy storage advancements and remote work all suggest that a lot of the main benefits of mega cities are being lost.
That coupled with a lot of economists predicting that even globalism might be on the decline and that a return to national independence is on the horizon, we might actually see a total reversal on previous future predictions.
The future may just be a whole bunch of small specialized and independent towns.
There is no way for tech to lead to decentralization when the things enabling the decentralization are themselves centralized ultra-high-tech products
You'd get a superficially "decentralized" mess of weak governments all buying their necessary infrastructure from the oligo/monopoly that makes the drones / satellites / whatever
That seems really obvious tbh
>when the things enabling the decentralization are themselves centralized ultra-high-tech products
such as?
It's becoming easier than ever before for individual home owners to generate and store power to power their homes, produce goods themselves, and make nearly everything they need. The main draw in the past for big cities was to keep industries close and because cities had most of the jobs but with remote work that is increasingly no longer the case. >You'd get a superficially "decentralized" mess of weak governments all buying their necessary infrastructure from the oligo/monopoly that makes the drones / satellites / whatever
Nah, you'll have a few megacorps/ government controlled corps producing a few goods that are still unfeasible for the average person to make but most essentials will be made locally or by individuals, the grasp governments and global corporations have on the lives of individuals is slipping away.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>but most essentials will be made locally or by individuals, the grasp governments and global corporations have on the lives of individuals is slipping away
Delusional, utterly delusional.
I wish there's a different phrase to differentiate between actual solarpunk, and the more futuristic pathway to a eco-friendly future. The hippies can have their solarpunk word, there just needs to be another word for a sci-fi aesthetic with emphasis on clean energy and eco-friendly culture.
Actual, real Solarpunk: >More rural focus, basically cottagecore with more tech >Leftist-anarchy utopia >Disdain for nuclear energy >Either a choice or mix of Asian aesthetics and afropunk >Everything in https://youtu.be/UqJJktxCY9U
Eco-friendly sci-fi: >High density cities with high emphasis on public transport (trains and buses) and public parks >Lots and lots of pro-environmental laws and culture, as well as massive resources put into other public services >Either Art Nouveau style or sleek futuristic style, depending on how technologically advanced >No anarchist ideology, but a progressive central government with a mixed economy >Solar, wind, and other renewable energy are used, but nuclear provides a large share of the produced energy. Rural areas consume mostly renewables, while the dense urban dominate in consuming nuclear >No stupid shit like vertical farms, skyscrapers covered in trees, and car-centric cityplanning >Example is Overwatch Numbani
I don't know what the political system in Wipeout is, but I'll use that as an example for the latter. I like the pic at
Wipeout is the only solarpunk game.
People who think solarpunk is some ghibli shit but with solar panels make me sick, this is what it's supposed to look like
I classify what you just posted and termed 'eco-friendly sci-fi' as solarpunk, because leftist utopia that looks nice on the surface would be hell to live in and is a kino aesthetic
I'm not convinced. you need to present an argument for it.
We probably have different definitions, see
>posts gay hippie shit in an unlivable Detroit shithole
Nah
It's supposed to be untenable and unworkable fiction like steampunk that looks cool on paper, it's massively underused
Yeah, basically it's supposed to be a fantastical vision of a futuristic utopia filled with green and parks everywhere while all the buildings and roads/transport networks efficiently generate power and concentrate populations where they're needed most to fit into the green aesthetic, not this gay >buildings.. but overgrown! reddit tumblr shit
In reality it would of course be an absolute nightmare just like steampunk because humans aren't designed to live like efficient little ants in a worker colony which is where the punk comes in, only robots or hive mind aliens could live like that
10 months ago
Anonymous
what separates wipeout from any other futuristic earth setting that makes it solarpunk to you? just the fact that trees still exist? that they didn't turn the planet into Coruscant yet?
10 months ago
Anonymous
The architectures curves mixing with the harmony of nature, basically wipeout looks like a postmodern architects wet dream aka utopia
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Other futuristic earth settings look like blanket Hollywood sci-fi they don't have this specific focus on merging architecture with landscape with track that wipeout does and there are no games off the top of my head that have a similar aesthetic
>Wipeout is broadly solarpunk
I've played them and no they aren't. In all the games, especially 2097 and Fusion, you are racing in predominantly urban environments, more often than not in industrial and somewhat cyberpunk tracks, though sometimes in tropical or natural environments.
If you squint then maybe Pure and 2048 have more solarpunkish tracks? They are a lot cleaner and brighter than the previous games, and a couple of them do have some tracks that reflect 'sustainable' urban living. I didn't like the artistic direction they went in. But they shouldn't count as solarpunk either since simply having a clean future isn't enough to count as solarpunk. They're more, idk, neo-futurist or something idk.
I'm not that anon who linked older wipeouts, I'm talking about hd/omega collection that basically remastered pulse and pure with a lot more detail and focus on art direction
Neo-futuristic doesn't fit because that includes a frick tonne of shit that looks nothing even cloae to wipeout, solarpunk is closer
10 months ago
Anonymous
The thing is if even those newer Wipeout games are 'solarpunk' then I don't understand what the point of the term is. Solarpunk is a very green future, it's one where a society is deeply interconnected with nature. That's why we have the term to distinguish it from just a nice or clean future. I just don't see how the newest Wipeout titles broadly reflect that.
Neo-futurism doesn't fit but I do think people here must be confusing having a clean future and certain architectural styles with automatically qualifying as solarpunk.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I basically don't differentiate because a nice clean future is utopian and rides on the idea of green energy while blanket futurism covers basically everything
You only really see it here or in 4x games like endless space
everybody out there is just aping syd mead.
The only Syd Mead-core game I can think of is mass effect 1 and then they threw the aesthetic in the garbage for everything afterwards for absolutely no reason, Noveria was kino.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>I basically don't differentiate because a nice clean future is utopian and rides on the idea of green energy while blanket futurism covers basically everything
Okay well no offense but it seems like most people do differentiate them. I'm not sure if Wipeout is broadly based on renewable energy, but assuming it is and just taking Wipeout Omega, I just don't think it automatically counts as solarpunk since most people use the term to mean soemthing specific
>where everyone lives in harmony with nature
I always thought this concept was moronic.
"Live in harmony with nature" so what ar eyou going to toss your infants at some bears so they can eat?
We even like to larp like native american were "in tune with nature" when the people the migrated to the americas and became them fricking slaughtered everything. They weren't living in tune with nature they crippled nature was well as they could with their level of advancement and nature had to find a way to live in harmony with THEM.
Nature is a fricking meatgrinder and the only "peaceful" areas are those where humans have killed off the majority of the predators and megafauna.
Imagine this but it's sunny daytime, all the cars hover and the buildings look like a post-modern architects wet dream
Looks nice and clean on the surface but it's grimy and dystopian underneath the facade of future optimism
Keyword is "usually". alternatives of the style can be varied, other options lean towards in the fantasy side (like Valley of the Wind) or something more grounded and real (like Earthships).
I came here to educate you zoomers
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Also all the redditors in this thread going BAW BAWWWW about solar panels in a fictional setting should have a nice day NOW
nausicaa's setting is way more interesting than this solar shit
99% of tech is lost so they ride animals and build windmills, but they also "mine" components from ruins of civilization to make some advanced shit
It's an aesthetic. Society is downscaled to a sustainable level, but they are technologically advanced. Lots of focus on nature and humanity taking up less space with dense vertical structures.
Some tumblrites saw these pictures and mantled it for their ecological model of a utopian society, but there's been a context with these bright and sunshiney overgrown towers people live in on little island platforms - probably a catastrophe wiping out much of society and the remnants letting the world heal a bit. Without this context, the only real way you could tone down the global population enough to make the water you live next to actually blue is a very strict governing body that is very effective in enforcing its agenda.
Golden age of sci fi: Technology is invented, it does something bad and unexpected, MAN SHALL NOT TRESPASS ON GOD's DOMAIN!
pessimistic in tone
Silver Age of Sci fi: Technology is invented and serves as a means to create a story for the characters to deal with, characters are all manly competent men with nerves of steel, most likely author stand ins. very optimistic in tone
Cyberpunk: Technology is advanced but societal problems have only gotten worse, the main characters are the dregs of society usually criminals. pessimistic in tone
Post Cyberpunk: Technology is advanced but some societal problems have gotten worse, some however have improved or even been eliminated, the characters are usually working class but functional members of society just trying to make do. realistic in tone
Solar Punk: The world is on the mend due to advancing technology, but not everything is perfect but still things are good and getting better, cautiiously optimistic in tone.
Basically any work of cyberpunk fiction that depicts a world that isn't totally pessimistic and doomed where the characters are normal law abiding citizens would be post cyberpunk.
You know, a survival horror taking place in a Solarpunk setting going apocalyptic like Finch would be interesting.
Sun went from electricity provider to deadly laser after an unknown anomaly make it start to expand at an abnormal rate, all the machines and even AI being powered are now malfunctioning and even going insane due to the power output and something weird keeping them all from instantly exploding and instead causing as much damage as possible. All of this while the planet was already an overpopulated shithole, but with gargantuan megacity infrastructure.
Your objective is getting the frick out of the planet, and get lucky by getting to where a scientific expedition went through a wormhole after scanners revealed a fertile planet with conditions apparently similar to earth.
But who knows, nobody has heard from them in months.
I really like this idea, thanks for bringing it up OP.
More of a state of kind than a genre. Think happiness and bright sunshine and flowers everywhere and happy face emojis pop up everywhere you go and missions tell you how positive you’re being
Probably because "solarpunk" isn't a thing and just adding the word "punk" onto the end of another word doesn't magically create new genres, you gibbering fricking clown of a person.
How can a readily available energy source in a post scarcity world have "punk" attached to its genre?
Unless it's literally some kind of barren desert hellscape and only one powerful guy controls the panels that generate enough power for the water pumps or some shit, I don't see how you can "punk" up that aesthetic.
Generally the conflict of solarpunk is 'enforced utopia' or 'someone else's utopia is not your utopia' or 'everything seems amazing on the surface.. however!' or it can just be a classic class divide thing like the rich in Elysium escaping ruined Earth and living in a perfect ring world instead, lots of ways to approach it and make it interesting
Because you can't just throw the "punk" suffix into every setting you find different. The cyberpunk genre has it because it mainly revolves around techno anarchists hacking the shit out of people in power, not just because it sounds cool.
I had one one time where everyone had perfect vibrant lawns, and the streams for replaced with deep crystal blue rivers. It...was beautiful. Same to what you said.
the catgirls are an important part that most people forget
I don't know what the hell Solarpunk is or if these pics are it but frick I'd love to be in that world or at least a game in it. The aesthetic is pleasing.
No, that's something else entirely, both yours and OP's pic. No one including OP has a good description of what solarpunk really is because there's very few media that has it. This
Terra Nill qualifies as solarpunk I think.
would probably be the closes one in this thread. Only one I can think of is one of Miozaki's films. Its literally just like steampunk except people relying on solar energy instead of steam because they have their own advanced technology to capture sunlight.
Anyone read the Asimov novel about a murder investigation on a planet where everyone lives on gigantic sprawling estates with no neighbours for kilometers? In my mind this is what defines solarpunk
This is fully embracing the "unrealisticness" of solarpunk of course. I picture it with Moebius-esque aesthetics crossed with Lanfeust, sun shining over sprawling fields dominated by manors carved out of white rock
Really quite pleased with what my brain came up with on this one
Its the technology that's used to be able to get that energy is what matters and for it to be good enough to power any and everything with ease just adds to the fantasy.
>solarpunk
I've been endlessly bum-bothered by all the fricking trees and plants growing everywhere in pics of this. I don't think peoples understand how much damage roots can do to concrete and asphalt, vines to tiles once they start growing underneath them or just the amount of dirt and mud generated by falling leaves/branches.
>Did quick research on solarpunk after this thread >Someone need to mine all of the lithium and cobalt to build and maintain all of the solar panels >Someone need to mine all of the aluminum and iron to build and maintain all of the wind turbines >Someone need to mine all of the pottasium for all of the rural farms >You need to be very rich or be a corporate slave to be able to afford the solar panels and robot servants >The world need to have <1% of the current world population for mechanized labor to be a viable substitute >The world need to be in a post climate apocalypse for everyone to agree not to use any of the coal, gas, oil, and uranium >Ignores the existence of dry arid unarable lands and also 70% of africa >Out of topic talk about giving back native american land while expecting them to also happen to agree with their unsustainable eco-fascist ideology >Every single mf talking about it looks like they are unemployed and have useless college degree
Solar panels are a shit way to achieve solarpunk. For one: It's not very punk. And 2, it's not cool. Shit breaks and you can't wrench it. GAY. NOT PUNK.
A stirling engine using the sun focused in a fresnel lens for heat is a much better vision of solar power. Wrenchable, easily reproducible, and PUNK AS FRICK.
Yeah its almost like its fantasy of something
single mf talking about it looks like they are unemployed and have useless college degree
That comes with the "punk" territory. Every "punk" genre has those types. People used to shit on steampunk gays for the longest time.
I don't know why solar panels trigger people this hard. That's like hating batteries. Just the sight of a solar panel on a calculator puts oil boomers into extreme rage.
My assumption is that within the next century most metals used in production and manufacturing will 1: be heavily recycled as recycling tech gets more efficient and 2: be primarily mined from the moon and near earth asteroids.
Also potassium isn't generally mined potassium used for fertilizers is extracted from burned plants
And anyone claiming the future won't heavily rely on nuclear power is moronic.
Solar panels are a shit way to achieve solarpunk. For one: It's not very punk. And 2, it's not cool. Shit breaks and you can't wrench it. GAY. NOT PUNK.
A stirling engine using the sun focused in a fresnel lens for heat is a much better vision of solar power. Wrenchable, easily reproducible, and PUNK AS FRICK.
I wish there's a different phrase to differentiate between actual solarpunk, and the more futuristic pathway to a eco-friendly future. The hippies can have their solarpunk word, there just needs to be another word for a sci-fi aesthetic with emphasis on clean energy and eco-friendly culture.
Actual, real Solarpunk: >More rural focus, basically cottagecore with more tech >Leftist-anarchy utopia >Disdain for nuclear energy >Either a choice or mix of Asian aesthetics and afropunk >Everything in https://youtu.be/UqJJktxCY9U
Eco-friendly sci-fi: >High density cities with high emphasis on public transport (trains and buses) and public parks >Lots and lots of pro-environmental laws and culture, as well as massive resources put into other public services >Either Art Nouveau style or sleek futuristic style, depending on how technologically advanced >No anarchist ideology, but a progressive central government with a mixed economy >Solar, wind, and other renewable energy are used, but nuclear provides a large share of the produced energy. Rural areas consume mostly renewables, while the dense urban dominate in consuming nuclear >No stupid shit like vertical farms, skyscrapers covered in trees, and car-centric cityplanning >Example is Overwatch Numbani
I don't know what the political system in Wipeout is, but I'll use that as an example for the latter. I like the pic at [...], assuming that pic is from Wipeout.
In the Dystopian Matriarchal far-future of CATastrophe non-consensual cuddling and violent nose booping are considered offences of the highest order, and for that there is only one punishment worthy of your crime being forcefully turned into a senior, spending the rest of your prolonged life as a husk of a man you used to be
>when the tech becomes like magic we can live in harmony with nature again and this is why I support Raytheon
Never gonna happen. The population has reached critical mass and we are all miserable. The elites are hoping that by making every country brown that we’ll be distracted to fix how awful everything is
The only people I notice with a smile on their faces are fat foreigners living on welfare and those who are too intoxicated to think. Go where the workers are all week and observe them before lying to me that they are happy
There is no mystery to who is the elite. They are in the most powerful positions in the country with the most influence so they are controlling what happens. There is no need to write that out every post when it is so obvious and they can be identified extremely easily by name
Okay, so lets say you are right, what do you suppose we do about it?
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Varying degrees of replacement. Some by death, others a simple case of restoring a merit based system which will see those in power fall out of power extremely quickly.
solarpunk would be cool if people actually leaned into the punk angle
make it about rabid individualism and huge swaths of the population going off grid and self sufficient, supported by advancements in energy technology like solid state batteries and easier to make solar panels, the wealthy living in independent Arcologies that have their own artificial weather systems creating a man made tropical paradise and the poor reverting to almost tribal existences in their shadow
that would be cool, but it just goes to show how these "genres" are meaningless, or have a meaning forced on them just to pretend they're more than an aesthetic.
solarpunk is boring by definition, so your idea being even remotely interesting already sets itself away from the term.
while it like effectively every other genre is mired in tropes and clichés you can have bleak shit with your solarpunk and noone is 'officially' putting a gun to your head to make every piece of solar punk media be plastered with some smug mulatto standing in front of an Utopia she had no hand in making.
Make it set on a planet where only one half of it receives sunlight while the other doesn't, and the population of the dark side of the planet has been deprived of sunlight for so long that they're bug eyed crazy people that keep trying to break in to the other side of the planet that receives sunlight
i used to like JBP but he's really become an unstable human.
When I see people call a guy crazy it makes me think they're probably onto something. Most people we regard as geniuses today were considered insane in their times.
I didn't say he was crazy i said he was unstable, emotionally.
But if that's really what your opinion is there's asylums of people you'd probably think are very well informed.
Personally I have very little patience for actual crazy people, they can be entirely friendly one moment then immediately think you're some conspirator enemy because of their intense paranoia.
No, most people that are called crazy are just crazy. Go talk to some homeless people sometime, there's a reason they can't hold a job or even stay stable enough to collect welfare consistently.
The brilliant but crazy people are a tiny minority in a sea of morons believing random nonsense because the wires in their brain are crossed. And even the brilliant ones are usually only brilliant in one field and just normal crazy I'm everything else.
I mean people who can do things like be self-sufficient and write coherent books.
No, most people that are called crazy are just crazy. Go talk to some homeless people sometime, there's a reason they can't hold a job or even stay stable enough to collect welfare consistently.
The brilliant but crazy people are a tiny minority in a sea of morons believing random nonsense because the wires in their brain are crossed. And even the brilliant ones are usually only brilliant in one field and just normal crazy I'm everything else.
the guy likely let the place burn because he wanted or is friends wanted to buy up that premium real-estate on the cheap. the environmentalism shit was just a facade.
>Nuclear energy = Fire, Hydro energy = Water, Wind power = Wind, Sun energy = Light.
I'm trying to imagine a modern JRPG element system, do you think I can add Zero Point as stand in for Void and Dark Energy for Dark?
I'm so sad that that room temperature superconductor thing is a hoax. I heard it would accelerate the production of nuclear fusion among other useful things.
They aren't solarpunk, they shoot straight into generic utopian sci-fi. Same with Aven Colony, Surviving Mars, etc. Having solar panels as a primary power source alone does not make it solarpunk, just as cybernetic arms does not make a setting cyberpunk
Because it's boring and stupid.
Why even call it punk? There is a reason why we don't call Art-Nouveau steampunk and Art-Deco dieselpunk. The -punk part implies something else.
Companies haven't pushed for it.
Far as I remember solar is still very inefficient since we can only use one small part of the spectrum to create energy, without discovering a way to be able to use the entire spectrum then solar will always be viewed as too inefficient for any decent world building.
Could probably do something with solar sails that would make an interesting world but to have. Society that suddenly has solar technology and choose it over the stena and coal energy that they used to make the panels is too far a stretch and wouldn't make sense.
Solar is a scam at the moment. No company is close to the necessary breakthrough so no one wants to seriously invest it yet since only company will have that breakthrough that makes solar profitable, whatever their words are they won't actually lift a finger unless there's a profit to be made.
Wed all have nuclear powered cars by now if nuclear wasn't so expensive and as risky an investment as it is.
Reminder that if leftists and greens would have wanted the actual cheap energy utopia, they would have pushed nuclear instead of the solar and wind cringe.
what the shit is "solarpunk"? is it the moronic belief that useless shit like sun or wind power is enough spread by israelites to prevent the panic?
btw if you want some eco friendly energy just throw israelites and trannies into bio reactors
it's hard to have a compelling video game story in a utopian setting where nothing can go wrong ever.
while it's pretty, the socialist utopia idea where everybody always gets along and things all work great just isn't good for story. The only type of conflict you could do is "le they are destroying out habitat" which isn't very compelling and has gotten boring over the years
Shall I also go on Ganker and post threads about random shit? >WHY ARE THERE NO Black personPUNK GAMES? >WHY AREN'T THERE ANY SQUIGGLEFINKS? >THERE AREN'T ANY TRUE FUTTBUGGS >NAME ONE SINGLE "REAL" YIFFTIGGER
END YOURSELF GO BECOME DECEASED SOMEWHERE AWAY FROM HERE
Hard pass
Because it's a homosexual leftist fantasy like socialism.
>the world not being a complete shithole is "leftist"
the right is an evil death cult
>muh righties bad lefties good
then why do leftist and socialist policies result in the nations and societies where they are implemented becoming complete shitholes? the left is literally an evil death cult.
>righties bad lefties good
yes
absolute brainlet detected, go back to shooting heroin and fricking 14 year olds
What has that to do with solar punk being leftist you absolute dishonest shizo?
why does socialism and leftism continually resulting in repeated shitholes upset you so much?
>why does socialism and leftism continually resulting in repeated shitholes upset you so much?
Name 5 concrete socialist policies that result in repeated shitholes, please.
hmm lets see
>muh healthcare
>muh urban housing developments
>no Black person left behind
>police state tactics
>war on drugs/crime/terror/climate aka ethnic cleansing and pogroms
name 5 socialist countries that arent shitholes
>healthcare
plz wait on line for 8-18 months unless you are a fugee minority
>housing
heres a shithole in the middle of a gang infested neighborhood where even the cops dont go
>education
heres a school full of illiterate Black folk who prey upon each other
Name 5 conservative havens that aren't shitholes
Japan, United States (surprisingly), Singapore (surprisingly), Botswana, Any German Enclave not in Germany, Molasia, Hong Kong before China took over
>US
>Not a shithole
Japan has not ONE city like LA, Detroit or NY, all of those are dirty, smelly and full of crime.
Japan
Qatar
Singapore
UAE
Kuwait
Japan and Singapore, sure, gulf states? Dystopian desert shit holes with insane consumerism mixed with slavery and islam. Try again
Cope westoid. Do you even know how many westcuck homosexuals like you move to gulf states for work because its 10x more money than your pozzed socialist dumpster shithole?
Damn someone got mad, did I hit a nerve? Some consumeristic idiots moving to a shithole to suckle on the tit of arab loosers is not an argument
>losers
Keep projecting socialoid subanimal. You will always be poor.
Oh I see I made a spelling mistake, you got me good there. And your head canon is very cute, I always enjoy reading about my life written by a bitter loser (this fine?)
>homosexuals like you move to gulf states for work
no you moron, hes talking about the millions of indians/pakistanis etc that endure crushing work conditions/living situation for pennies, aka slaves.
the gulf is not and will never be a haven when theres an abused second class being exploited for profit.
t. born and raised in the gulf
You sound like a commie and I hate commies. I hope you get dead soon.
>you need to worship corporations to not be a commie!
Why even live if you choose to be so dishonest all the time? You have nothing to live for.
I am norwegian and us scandinavians live pretty comfy. I know we are not socialists but I also think socialism is dumb. We do have all those policies you listed however, (that technically has nothing to do with socialism). But let me guess, no true scotsman?
Norway is almost cheating given you guys have a small population got very lucky with oil but then didnt go full moron like most nations that happens to and actually used the money right.
>That one Norwegian I know that hates Denmark and Sweden
>He jumps the border constantly to buy food and shit from Sweden because its cheaper
Common misconception, Norway was already doing quite well and had all the mentioned social programs before we found oil (I will of course not deny that it helps and we are far better off with it than without but its effects are overrated), this still doesn’t explain why denmark and sweden can do it. And no real scandi actually hates each other, it’s more like siblings bantering
The story as I know it is norway was a slightly bigger version of iceland with a fish based economy till you guys found oil and went to moon. Also ya all 3 of you guys do fine. Norway and denmark have a population of what 5mil? 99% one race?
>My states population is more than 4x your entire nation
Ide like to see the mountains of Norway.
Sure, we did have an advantage of low population and resources. I do however, believe our disagreement is whether or not some version of our government can be scaled up. I believe it can and that it will greatly improve your society. It comes at the cost of a, probably very painful, reform.
You are more than welcome, Lofoten is your best choice.
I think what America needs the most is voting reform. Some form of ranked voting and breakup of the megablocks of the 2 parties would be great. Some more social reform would also be great. I think you really can feel a shift in how the government is operating and something big will probably happen soon. I dont think it will be like how Norway will be run but its own thing. Should be interesting. Im also glad im not a doomer like so many morons here.
The two party system seems pretty dumb. When you say ranked voting, do you mean something like landowners and educated people etc?
No more like single transferable vote.
Huh, that’s a new concept I haven’t heard about. What do you think the benefits of being able to transfer your vote would be?
It would stop the game theory going on with the current system. Say you claim to be a libertarian for instance. You want the libertarian party to win but you know its a minor party and they probably wont win with your vote. So instead you vote for the republican party who is the major party more likely to win. Your in effect voting against who you want to win by hedging on the more likely next best thing. With the STV system you can put libertarian as 1st and republican 2nd. Even if your primary selection isnt chosen your vote isnt wasted as it will in effect go to your 2nd best vote. There would be more going on since this would almost certainly require an increase in seats in places people are elected to but again the big thing is there would almost certainly be an increase in third party representation. It wouldnt break the democrats or republicans, at least not at first, but it would be a huge step towards more party diversity in government.
Ah that’s what you mean by transferable, I have heard of this before. I haven’t thought deeply about it so I don’t have a strong opinion on it, but it sounds nice at least
Ranked choice voting removed the "wasted vote on a nobody" scenario
>Government is dominated by two political parties (US lol)
>Voting for a 3rd party is always a wasted vote, they always lose
>Reason why they always lose is because voters are afraid of wasting their vote on them
>Ranked choice means that you can vote for party #3, with party #1 or #2 as a secondary.
>If party #3 drops out, your vote is transferred to your secondary, allowing you to vote who you believe, without having your vote wasted.
>Voting for more varied parties is much more viable and accessable
Still some issues, but it's much much better than what we have currently.
All nordic countries got wealthy first, then implemented massive socialist free gibs reforms. You are lying about the cause and effect. Ask how much your grandparents got free money from state. Ask your parents.
Ultimately it doesn't even matter what the details of the system are, because of our genetic stock. You may be a gullible low iq gay prone to homosexuality and transvestitism, but so what, there's always failures in human populations. I'm still here and I can simply carry the slack of few yous. And because the system doesn't ultimately matter (I can make any system work), the most correct system is least complex, least reforms, least manipulated, least esoteric. Just let people keep their produce, the end.
Nordic countries are successful because the people are competent, simple as.
Didn’t you read my other post? Norway had all the aforementioned social policies way before we found oil and became rich, same with Sweden and Denmark, so you are just wrong. Second, this is the second time itt I have had the pleasure of reading about my life from the perspective of some bitter losers head canon. Third you are just wrong again, free markets only work under certain circumstances. There needs to be competition, the consumers have to be able to choose between those competitors and they need information about them. This is really nice in aome sections of society, I am a capitalist after all. However, there are many areas where this is not the case, health care schooling, and in some sense housing. The more well functioning members there are in society, the better it is in total. Everybody wins if they pool togheter some of their money to make the most people around them productive, happy and civilised. Nordic countries are competent because we did the above mentioned.
Any alternative to capitalism is grouped in as being leftist
>then why do leftist and socialist policies result in the nations and societies where they are implemented
Yes, I am sure making healthcare, housing and education widely available is a bad thing and makes everything worse.
The left has never done any of that even once.
you don't fricking do that you just displace native populations and enact corporate governance and security states fricking everywhere
point to one rightist nation that is not a shithole
japan
Taiwan
Realizing that it's not possible to live in a big field with no pollution doesn't make anyone a death cult. They just dont live in childish fantasies
It's entirely possible to do that, we did it for ten thousand years
Shitting in the river is pollution.
Shitting in a river isn't pollution like how shitting in a forest isn't littering. It's part of the ecosystem. Pollution requires an ecologically harmful material, such as a poisonous substance.
Actually shitting in a river is polluting. It's why predators help keep rivers clean when they chase away animals.
No we didn't, we cut down forests and hunted megafauna to extinction. The UK only pursued coal because they had run out of wood to burn. Preindustrial humanity was chewing through all available resources just as we are today, the decline was slower than now as there were new lands to expand into and far fewer hands grabbing for them but without industrialising our self destruction was inevitable. At least now we have a chance.
moron, preindustrial human society worked on boom-bust cycles like any biological system
Industrial society works the same way, only there will be just one bust and no coming back from it. It's exactly what doomed us to self destruction.
Dumb homosexual
>the right is an evil death cult
I didn't release the right support abortion and killing babies in honor of Moloch Balls
>dude we have to import thousands of fighting age males and cut our kids dicks off so we can live in a heccin solarpunkarino future!
and stay in your containment board you fricking mindbroken demoralized reddit tourist.
calm down troony
breathe
>filename
come on now
Kys tourist.
All shills. The right values beauty, the left destroys beauty.
the way capitalism is doing things I don't think the beauty of the planet will last long
You mean globalists.
capitalism doesn't care about the planet, or values, or morality or anything, just about profit
Right, that's what faith and culture is for. Maybe turning away from God and rejecting your role as steward of the Earth wasn't for the best after all.
Capitalism is the best system in existence to lift people out of poverty that has ever existed. Yet, when divorced from the faith and culture the free world was founded on, and secularism takes hold, look how rapidly even our greatest economic system mankind has ever achieved can devolve into something restrictive and oppressive. Amazing, isn't it?
>Capitalism is the best system in existence to lift people out of poverty that has ever existed
Tell that to the 40 million people living under poverty line in the US. Also, what has greatly improved the quality of life and human development are government measures such as free education, health care, etc.
t. never read an economics book in his life, knows nothing older than 20 years ago
nta but recommend me an economics book for someone that hasn't read a single thing on economics.
Thank you.
I get what you're trying to say but you need growth to build a public system out of. Capitalism has worked well for that. Decentralized socialism might work better but has never really been tried because no socialist has ever stuck to it. And if a country's industry and political leaders were trustworthy enough to pull off decen socialism, they wouldn't need to in the first place because they would run the capitalist society with taxed public services just fine without corrupting it.
There's still a lot of poverty but nowadays you can go from homeless to millionaire with a single lottery ticket : back then you were set since birth, you'd grow as a serf and stay one until the end.
The system fell apart because the men at the top of the faith-based order no longer cared about it. It was always going to fail, any top-down system always does. How can you trust a president or banker or pope just because they claim to be faithful?
The rejection of religious supremacy is just realizing these people do not care for the system. Leftists realize this and seek to destroy it entirely, right-wingers just delusionally seek to re-establish it again and hope it works better "this time"
>The system fell apart because the men at the top of the faith-based order no longer cared about it.
Right. They lost faith in the guiding principles of the country and became selfish and greedy.
Yes, precisely. Wanting to re-establish a national order like that is naive and based on the idea that if the common citizen "believed" hard enough, their leaders would lead justly and not ruin the society once more. But it doesn't work that way.
I think that's unreasonably pessimistic conclusion, given that those principles built all of Western civilization out of the mud.
It's not that simple. Western civilization was built on values that preceded Christianity. The success of Christianity was in some sense the result of a similar thing happening to those values in the past. The idea of our politicians and priests leading us by faith in disparate gods seem so silly now and relegated to backwards countries like India but it worked once.
If something will improve Western civilization now, it will be a revolution that establishes a new values system all over again. I'm not saying it has to be the anarchism-socialism-Marxism spectrum, but it won't be like the Christian-led world order up until now, just like when the Roman world fell, they never went back to a pantheon-led society
Yet, that's not what lead to the atrocities of the 20th centuries. That was secularism. Faith leads to the liberation and flourishing of mankind. It seems the solution is to hold our leaders to a higher standard and ensure men of faith are in positions of leadership.
>It seems the solution is to hold our leaders to a higher standard and ensure men of faith are in positions of leadership.
How? This is the part where it always fails. You can try your hardest to build a society based on pretty much the best values ever established by man, and the moment someone at the top stops believing in them even if they claim otherwise, it just rots all the way down.
You can't really criticize Marxists for their absurd belief that their revolution will work "this time" if your solution is also to trust leaders to stay true to a values set "this time". Seems to me that it's more of a solution where the sound of it makes you feel good, than one with any guarantee of working.
Simply put, even if there is a perfect religion to centre a civilization around, you can't prove that its leaders believe in it, and that makes it fundamentally identical to a secular society eventually.
>How?
By their deeds.
No.
Can you point to an example of a country that right now is succeeding because they have a faith-based society whose leaders are held to account by their deeds and all of that actually works?
Poland
Doesn't it have an ongoing cost of living crisis just like everywhere else in the Western world? What about their leadership is any different?
Look it up.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/economy/poles-anxious-as-cost-of-living-crisis-creeps-nearer-to-home/2721881
https://www.euronews.com/2023/05/17/polish-citizens-struggle-to-buy-or-rent-property-with-rising-cost-of-living
?
Poland is a secular state you moron
Yet it's not a secular society, dipshit. Western society developed a separation of church and state, not a separation of faith and state.
>clamp on social freedoms to re-establish Christian societal order
>zero rise in living standards
Not exactly the poster child I would have picked for conservatism
>>zero rise in living standards
Still doing better than the rest of Western society in this globalist hellscape of a climate.
delusional kurwaBlack person
You're the one that can't see the forest for the trees here my friend.
Kurwas are Black folk and survive purely on selling out to the current best offer. Always was, always were, always will be
How? Are you just saying because you are not bothered by LGBT there, that their faith-based leadership is better, despite no difference in living standards? You can't just use your own personal desires to measure the success I mentioned, we could just go all day finding people that "like" a liberal or conservative society more and it would just affirm our respective points.
Can you elaborate more? How is journalistic independence and freedom to have homosexual intercourse harmful to society?
>How is journalistic independence and freedom to have homosexual intercourse harmful to society?
If you knew anything about history you would know how.
Explain, then. A short version at least. Nothing in the history I've read indicates either thing is a drawback for society in the modern day. The former allows free flow of information and news and varying opinions to bounce off each other, the latter just lets people engage recreationally and sexually and just improves general happiness.
on social freedoms to re-establish Christian societal order
We did that here when the US was founded too, freedom was never supposed to be a license to do harm. Your rights have limitations.
kek are you the "pre-enlightenment reactionary" from the BG3 thread?
But anon, God is dead.
The new faith must be a unifying philosophy of Man. It can't be bullshit, because it has to accurately guide Man in order to be widely accepted.
Yes, globalists are capitalists. I'm glad to see you finally admit it.
There's a /tg/
https://1dGanker/wiki/Setting:CATastrophe
You're moronic it's too pretty for liberals
Because you can't differentiate between singular and plural.
Terra Nill qualifies as solarpunk I think.
I remember playing the demo for this a long time ago. Is the full game any good?
>Is the full game any good?
It's a slight expansion on the demo, it's fun but it's extremely short. I expected the demo to be a taste but instead it's near replication of the final game but the final game only has three maps/biomes. I was hoping for a ton of biomes, not three. Worth it if it's sale, otherwise meh.
Solar is a dogshit alrenative energy source for most countries. Germany FRICKED their power up for decades by moving so much it when, surprise surprise it's too fricking cloudy in Germany to make it viable.
Wind is good though.
Germans are truly moronic when it comes to energy. They're so obsessed with shitty Solar, but avoid Nuclear like the plague to the point where they went back to using coal since they had no nuclear plants anymore.
What is wrong with germans? The green party celebrating closing all nuclear plants in the country is like a frickin comedy sketch. What rotten veggies did they eat to think thats a green idea?
Because the media and coal conglomerates have convinced the population that any nuclear power plant is a Chernobyl/Fukushima just waiting to happen, and Germans are moronic.
I don’t think a lot of people realize how many environmental problems could be fixed just from a pivot to nuclear.
The biggest problem with nuclear is that shitskins won't run it properly.
Insofar as most people even think about it at all, all that comes to mind for them are the leaky drums full of spent fuel rods getting dumped into a massive pile at the bottom of salt mines or the deep ocean what will kill anything that gets near them for ten thousand years.
>Because the media and coal conglomerates have convinced the population that any nuclear power plant is a Chernobyl/Fukushima just waiting to happen, and Germans are moronic.
No, the germans were against it before Chernobyl/Fukushima. German's anti-nuclear activists were literally funded by the soviets, we have the receipts. The stupid germans were psyoped so badly they'll never recover.
Nuclear bad because uuuuh, Marvel movies taught me it turned people and animals into green monstrosities.
>The green party celebrating closing all nuclear plants in the country is like a frickin comedy sketch
This is every green party in the world. I think green parties have been infiltrated by big oil. Since that's who they benefit the most by constantly sabotaging nuclear power.
Yeah I don't get why people so often think their insane political parties are unique
greens have never represented actual environmentalist causes anywhere
Russian infiltration. Unironically. It is (or was) in Russia's best interests to keep Europe hooked to it's natural gas exports, and nuclear would have completely undercut that. They were just especially effective in Germany because half the country is ex-stasi.
Heh, good edit.
image makes sense once you figure out that climate activism is a grift
reckon it would work quite well in Brazil
>Lots of sun most of the year
>Hydro acting as energy storage for the night
One of the few places where it's actually viable tbh
brazil has one of the largest tributary systems on the planet, they can just use hydro for everything.
>Country name is fire themed
>Mains water
This is some greenland iceland bullshit naming
Why are Germans so fricking moronic?
It's the Greens, legitimately one of the worst political parties in the west. Basically every terrible idea invented post-68
I remember europoors saying Americans were backwards for not embracing solar. Frickin morons lmao
oh hi peter from colorado
Wind is a fricking eyesore and destroys the environment just as much as any pollutants.
>Wind is a fricking eyesore
Most wind farms are build in fields in the middle of nowhere, its a lot better than what Germany does for their coal plants. The wind farm in this picture is going to be dismantled so they can expand the coal farm.
>building massive wind farms in the middle of nowhere good
>open pit mine in the middle of nowhere bad
They both destroy nature. Nuclear or bust
Oh because nuclear is not an eyesore and having an accident is super safe, right? It's high risk, high reward and the risk is making a zone unlivable for at least a hundres years.
This is literally fake news
Nice, why don't you go live in Fukushima?
name 5 places that are uninhabitable because of a nuclear power pllanet accident
A few years ago old people literally went to die in japan to clear a radioactive accident.
Anyhow, here's what my 5 second google came up with:
Chernobyl Nuclear Disaster.
Fukushima Nuclear Disaster. Japan 2011 (INES Level 7) ...
Kyshtym Nuclear Disaster. Russia 1957 (INES Level 6) ...
Windscale Fire Nuclear Disaster. Sellafield, UK 1957 (INES Level 5) ...
Three Mile Island Nuclear Accident. Pennsylvania, USA 1979 (INES Level 5) ...
Now, i don't know which places you can't go specifically, but you're stupid if you think nuclear waste isn't a thing.
based on various bomb test sites we've seen that we over-estimated how permanent the damage done by radiation really is, as in it dissipates quicke than we thought. Only places with a full on meltdown like Chernobyl are truely unsafe to inhabit. Nuclear plants produce very little actual nuclear waste, and while it is very dangerous it's also mostly produced by old plants. Modern plants are significantly more efficient and can re-use the waste to a greater degree.
The unfortunate reality is that producing power of any kind creates pollution and costs lives. Nuclear means not having to depend on oil nations, it means concentrating the waste in a dense, physical format and limiting the loss of life. It's highly efficient and the amount of fission material we have available should last us several more centuries.
I think the risks are worth it.
People are still gaslit by the 70's and 80's commie propaganda of the "no nuclear" (in the west of course) and still believe modern nuclear plants work the same way as the ones from the 60's and 70's.
Unless someone does an incredibly stupid thing like building a nuclear plant right on top of a seismic flaw, modern nuclear power plants are as safe as anything else.
there's currently a bunch of talk about how wind turbines are killing whales in the north sea. Also keep in mind that most components of solar panels and wind turbines cant actually be recycled so you're still just burying a bunch of waste while the returns are really not very significant. Nuclear and hydro-electric power are the best options
>Wind is a fricking eyesore
There are few human created things more aesthetically pleasing than windmills, including wind farms, you autistic piece of shit
> They make good contemporary art sculptures therefore they're the best
lmao
Also try living near them, leftist.
NPC
I dont understand how Germans can simultaneously be some of the most brilliant doctors and machinists/weapons manufacturers in the history of the world and yet still do moron shit like this with their political policies.
Two separate German races of builders/farmers and politicians/artists, the builders/farmers are the ones that can make wonders while the politicians and artists are the ones that frick up everything
Germany is a conquered nation, they are not in control of their own politics.
They are banned from advocating for policies that make sense and help them. Their political class serves foreign interests
>Wind is good
You mean those giant wind turbines that can break under even the slightest breeze, kill thousands of birds yearly, and can never be recycled because the materials are exceedingly hazardous?
>You mean those giant wind turbines that can break under even the slightest breeze
There are hundreds of wind farms around the world that have been operating for years if not decades. How do you reconcile this reality with your idea of turbines shattering in the wind like graham crackers?
>How do you reconcile this reality with your idea of turbines shattering in the wind like graham crackers?
I reconcile it by pointing out that we have massive grave sites for wind turbines that are made of such toxic materials that they'll never break down back into the earth, and can't even be recycled, so we have to ruin acres of land just to bury them.
Is there a rule that says you have to make them out of non-recyclable shit? Does the illuminiati come by and anal rape you to death if you build one out of steel or aluminium some shit?
the rule is called "physics"
While Germany sacrificing it's nuclear power grid for renewables is moronic beyond belief solar isn't actually useless, it's great for single buildings and as a supplemental power source it just isn't suitable for being the primary energy source of a country.
Solar IS dogshit (by itself). A strategic mix of solar, wind, hydro,and nuclear is the best option.
>Solar, Wind, Water, Nuke
I dig this JRPG elements ensemble.
Wind is trash
Solar will never be viable for the mere fact that there isn't enough silver in this world to make it happen.
>You mean those giant wind turbines that can break under even the slightest breeze
Doesn't happen, stop pretending to be a contrarian, simply the materials they are made and efforts that they are exposed were tested by beforehand
>kill thousands of birds yearly
Good. Bird who get killed by wind turbines are usually predatory foreign species
>and can never be recycled because the materials are exceedingly hazardous?
True to a degree, but I think even car batteries can be recycled these days by giving them proper treatment
There are also times when there is no wind. Ask Nethelands.
Frick you wind is just as terrible.
huh? germany is not obsessed with solar, that's china. germany is investing in wind energy like nobody else, and it has driven the countries energy prices to astronomical levels, while still having to rely mostly on coal, oil and gas. Wind energy is total and utter trash.
The best "clean" energy sources to this very day are nuclear by far, followed by hydro. Problem with nuclear is that you need a lot of competent and smart people to work the power plants, while you need a lot of rivers for hydropower. Both are cheaper than a comparable wind/solar power source.
Because you haven't looked hard enough
You know these games were created and produced by Kojima? I always thought the cartridges having a built in solar sensor was a bizarre insane gimmick until I learned that. It's just typical Kojima shit. That's why the Gun del Sol is in MGS4.
or rather the Solar Gun is in MGS4, the Gun del Sol is in Metal Gear Acid
>You know these games were created and produced by Kojima?
NO, you don't say.
I played them as a kid and this is not the kind of thing I would have paid attention to, I only knew Kojima from MGS.
Its in Megaman Battle Network too because Kojimas kid was a fan
>shitty dark GBA screen
>solar sensor
Yup, only koko jimbob would think of such brilliance
Boy you anti kojima drones just love one upping yourselves at proving how moronic you are.
I feel like you only heard about this game from some youtube video.
It's also not typical Kojima shit. The plots moronic but not metal gear moronic nor does it ride up the dick of military related shit.
Also after the first game, the series completely removes the stealth component and it just becomes a fairly generic top down action game.
Kojima literally wanted a breath sensor so that if you ate garlic you could breathe into it to wipe out all the vampires onscreen.
Looking at gameplay for the first one and it has minor stealth elements. Also, way too much frickin dialogue. Way to be kojimbo
The first games stealth elements are perfect for the series though.
The fact that the later games removed it just made the games worse.
You can't rely on the sun, and when you don't have access to the sun, your ammo is heavily limited and every encounter requires you to spend solar power on your gun to shoot them. So as the real world becomes darker you have to play the game as a stealth game.
The only real issue was with the pile driver mechanic forcing you to use the sun to progress the game after you defeat any boss. Requiring you to just straight up stop playing until you can get any kind of sunlight.
Because there's no such fricking thing
>punk anything
Fricking kys yourself
Solarpunk isn't a real genre or even aesthetic. There's like what, less than 10 pictures that get endlessly reposted? I'd be down for it even, it's aesthetically pleasing. But let's not kid ourselves. Anyway, to save this waste of a thread, how would (you) design a solarpunk game?
Can you post said pictures? I've never heard of "solarpunk" before.
its a meme
people just slap "punk" onto anything now to give it more cred
its just a marketing strategy, nothing more
I came here to educate you zoomers
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Also all the redditors in this thread going BAW BAWWWW about solar panels in a fictional setting should have a nice day NOW
How the frick is Wipeout solarpunk?
Wipeout is the only solarpunk game.
People who think solarpunk is some ghibli shit but with solar panels make me sick, this is what it's supposed to look like
Hmm.
>No stupid trees on buildings
>Vast network of train tracks (or I hope it's train tracks and not roads for cars)
>Lots of greenery for small parks
>Massive buildings to house many people (high-density cities are usually more energy efficient)
I'll say it's pretty good, but it could be a bit more dense, I takeback my claim on saying that you were trolling.
Advocates of solarpunk are very pro-anarchy, hence the -punk.
I went to a solarpunk r*ddit and look at their view on nuclear, they don't like it. Biggest reason why they hate it because it requires a centralized power (as well as the usual misinformation regarding nuclear energy, like nuclear waste and 'muh Chernobyl/Fukushima').
I thought they'll be on board with nuclear power, guess not. They want the entire world to be a massive rural commune.
>hate centralised power
>want efficient, affordable solar panels for all
Wonder how they justify solar being easier to power a farm than diesel or biogas when solar only got so cheap thanks to the largest centralised power on Earth.
I dont think thats a contradiction though. The theme generally seems to be a scaling back down of society so you could utilize the advanced made by generations before you.
Yeah, basically it's supposed to be a fantastical vision of a futuristic utopia filled with green and parks everywhere while all the buildings and roads/transport networks efficiently generate power and concentrate populations where they're needed most to fit into the green aesthetic, not this gay >buildings.. but overgrown! reddit tumblr shit
In reality it would of course be an absolute nightmare just like steampunk because humans aren't designed to live like efficient little ants in a worker colony which is where the punk comes in, only robots or hive mind aliens could live like that
This is now a Wipeout thread, post your favorite tracks https://youtu.be/DfN4aETGcNw
You play as post scarcity bandit who loot and rape all of the solarpunker because they're all isolationist pussy with zero practical knowledge
> how would (you) design a solarpunk game?
make game
add sun
Boktai
boktai is vampiric postapocalypse
what is mirror's edge?
also your pics reminds me of gravity rush 2 not sure if its solarpunk
if only EA would make me3...
learning from the open world extra activities and decent combat system of 2 with the unique and varied level design of 1.... 3 could be pretty good
also bring back the cast of 1, and the animated story style too
reminder that producing solar panels involves mining limited rare earth minerals and the creation of toxic byproducts which usually aren't disposed of properly, and the panels only last about 25 years
did you know that france is the greenest country on the continent of europe and also has 56 nuclear reactors how strange
>muh toxic byproducts that aren't disposed of properly
>nuclear waste that's cool though
Nuclear is by far the most efficient, greenest form of energy ever devised, the only reason you'd think otherwise is you've been swindled by the big coal israelite. Really take two seconds to think about it, boiling water vs burning fossil fuel, wow I wonder which one is worse for the environment.
We store the waste below your shithole country ok?
We do already, we've been using nuclear power for over 50 years.
nuclear produces infinitely less waste than normal fuels, and is infinitely easier to get rid of
There's a whole continent that is basically uninhabited and likely to remain so for millenia.
I work in the nuclear industry, please don't type out stuff like this again as it makes us look bad. Coal plants also generate electricity by boiling water.
>Coal plants also generate electricity by boiling water.
And how do they boil the water?
If you want to form a more educated argument be my guest, I had no qualms with anything else you said besides the antisemitic remark.
>I had no qualms with anything else you said besides the antisemitic remark.
And there it is, big coal israelite reveals himself. Sorry coal shill but burning fossil fuels to is obviously way worse than using fission.
No shit I didn't argue with that. Just educate yourself on what is and is not a boiler.
They're both boilers. All human history is using fricking water to turn wheels. How you get there is the part that matters and burning anything to do it is a shit way to generate energy.
If you are the person I originally quoted, then you are moving goalposts in serious bad faith and strike me as controlled opposition with your wanton misrepresentation of facts for a standard pro nuclear argument and blatant antisemitism.
nuclear is what shall propel humanity to the stars redditor
Ok, now can anyone actually name a single so-called "solar-punk" work of fiction where the setting is actually an eco-friendly dystopia?
What solar punk actually is is hippy morons who didn't realize that the "punk" suffix only applies to dystopias and thinking that it was just some cool label to slap onto their vapid eco-utopia artworks. Then when they got called out for being morons, they had to pretend that said artworks had some element of dystopia to them to save face (they don't).
Would the issue about the 'punk' in solarpunk be fixed if it was called solarcore instead, like cottagecore?
That would help a lot, especially to indicate that it's an aesthetic, not an actual fiction genre or anything substantial.
cottagecore, also known as my own culture.
>it was just some cool label to slap onto their vapid eco-utopia artworks
yep. same goes for steampunk
Steampunk has all the same themes as cyberpunk and fundamentally works as a dystopian "punk" genre, it's maligned as a clown genre because it got extensively molested by cosplayers and feminists who didn't understand either the core dystopian element of the genre and/or didn't understand or appreciate cultural, social or political aspects of the dickensian take on the industrial revolution that informs proper steampunk and just used it for their shitty power fantasies or cog fop/bawd trash.
On the other hand, solarpunk has absolutely no dystopian elements to misinterpret or ignore, it's fundamentally utopian.
Solarpunk only looks utopian at surface level, nobody can actually live like that and be happy
>posts gay hippie shit in an unlivable Detroit shithole
Nah
It's supposed to be untenable and unworkable fiction like steampunk that looks cool on paper, it's massively underused
Demolition Man.
Several episodes of the show Charlie Jade are set in a solarpunk authoritarian alternate universe
Mirror's Edge (Specifically the first one)
Funniest to me is calling The Flintstones "stonepunk"
this is a very funny post and im going to think about "stonepunk" anytime this kind of discussion comes up
Stonepunk games:
Tail of the Sun
Prehistorik Man
Joe and Mac
Congo's Caper
Chrono Trigger (partial)
Live A Live (partial)
Flintstones games (obviously)
For me it's "biopunk"
punk as in anti-establishment
Keep screeching like an autist about a word while I enjoy the art and aesthetic.
>antisemitic
Masterful bait
If however this isnt bait, why the frick are anti nuclear israelites shitting up a vidya board
Living off israelite coal in America all my life so nuclear energy always sounded so cool to me but fear the day when America goes full nuclear(heh). Things like where they could place them would worry me the most. Can they withstand our hazardous weather? Actually forget that, can they withstand the average American? They just seem like a new location for mass shooters to shoot up.
>US gets one of its nuclear reactors up
>some Black person tries to rob it for free energy
You do know it doesn't stay very radioactive forever right?
You know we could just use renewable coal/oil instead of using cancer fluoride water which was the same technology used by the israelites to obliterate two cities and kill millions, right?
Coal and oil are not renewable lol and they are super polluting.
Nice WEF masonic propaganda, CO2 is plant food, and coal and oil are renewed by dead organic matter being pressurized by the crust which is obviously active since we have earthquakes. They burned down Maui and killed thousands to falseflag about climate change and create your 15 minute cities, you'll get the rope once we inevitably win the emergent revolution against CIA shills like you. Solarpunk, or homosexual commiepunk as I like to call it, is just the next propaganda wave for the 15 minute city ideal.
American moment.
Shut the frick up, Europe has already been completely compromised by the Davos agenda and communism, before Europeans actively chose more decentralized pioneer homestead lifestyles once they gained adequate wealth.
Wow, because your souless highways, thousands of parking lots, school shootings and gang violence are so desirable. Detroit says hi.
Do you even know what nuclear waste is? It's just burnt rods that can't maintain heat very long anymore. Those barrels you see all the time are no more than giant bins of used matchsticks. And all the nuclear waste created up to this point fits in an area the size of a warehouse.
The misconception that nuclear waste is a yellow barrel full of glowing, green goo has been a disaster for the human race.
Nuclear waste decays on its own, you just keep it in a sealed container in a dry, unused mine and eventually it's not radioactive anymore.
Stop talking confidently about things you have no fricking clue about. Be quiet for several decades.
artist?
Rare earth is a misnomer as those minerals are actually pretty abundant.
Solar is still gay sissy energy though, nuclear is where it's at.
Is Horizon solarpunk? Never played it.
>solarpunk
what a moronic term. living in harmony with nature can't be punk.
Just reminded me of this encounter I had in a game called Cloudpunk. There were these sentient robot "criminals" that instead of robbing and destroying would plant gardens and build playgrounds around the city (this was illegal). At first I was kind of warming up to the concept, but by the end of the conversation I realized the writer was just trying to gaslight me into calling pussy ass b***hes, based. Which they are not. And this is not punk. This is just hippies being hippies.
>Utopia at first glance
>Turns out there is an underclass that are forced to live underground in train tunnels and sewers
>Tyrannical government
at first glance
Solar power is ineficient
Language evolves in weird ways. You just learn to live with it at some point.
I've always wanted a horror game where every scene is blindingly bright, but I don't know how anyone could pull it off without darkness, one of our most primal fears.
>a horror game where every scene is blindingly bright
We Happy Few?
There's always the innate fear of predators hiding in plain sight, in tall grass or underwater, or in the skies far up there where we can't see. You would think twice about cutting a path through a meadow if you knew a 10 meter tall eagle could snatch you up at any moment, or approaching a body of water knowing that a giant crocodile may laying in wait.
Hey, that gives me an idea. What about camaleon like monsters that just adjust and change color and contort their bodies to adjust at their surroundings until something gets to close enough to kill it and feast on their guts?
It could be bright as day, with some places with shadows, yet these frickers can be everywhere. Add a feature that randomizes where these frickers could be hiding without any specific spawn points.
I've seen some games do this, thou usually with a very subtle indication that they are around IF you are paying attention. The issue would be how to make them hide in plain sight, especially using anons idea of a solarpunk setting where the sun just instantly cooks whoever gets exposed. How would we make that the monsters can survive in the sun, I don't know.
>how anyone could pull it off without darkness
medical facilities
Solar punk fiction is not inherently utopian, it just builds on the premise of ecotopian ideas.
Lord knows the hippies didn't even live in peace among themselves.
Many JRPGs are like that.
>Why aren't there X video games
Because depressing mudcore landscapes dominate
What's solarpunk? That looks like minecraft.
It's a big build.
I think most people simply treat it as greenery weaved into architecture.
It's a moronic idea if you had any idea the level of work that goes into growing stuff on rooftops. It's a concept exclusively available for the most wealthy.
>It's a concept exclusively available for the most wealthy.
Only because you can't buy houses anymore if you arent rich.
Besides, it's an investment because you can live off the veggies on your roof, just kill all the fricking squirrels
>138 Dystopian novels published
Because Utopia doesn't make for interesting stories. Stories have problems. Utopia, by definition, has no problems.
>We need Solarpunk because carbon go up
This is fricking stupid.
Standing around thinking about how better the world could be isn't going to make it how it should be.
The whole point of the '-punk' genres is that there's some form of underground movement to it. Like the fricking root of these, cyberpunk. Which focuses on how technology divorces the common man from living free. And thus, most cyberpunk fiction focuses on these struggles
What themes does putting solar panels on everything provide? Environmentalism? But if the environmentalists are the dominance in this situation, does this mean the 'punk' in the setting refers to fricking coal Barons?
Generally the conflict of solarpunk is 'enforced utopia' or 'someone else's utopia is not your utopia' or 'everything seems amazing on the surface.. however!' or it can just be a classic class divide thing like the rich in Elysium escaping ruined Earth and living in a perfect ring world instead, lots of ways to approach it and make it interesting
>And thus, most cyberpunk fiction focuses on these struggles
Only cyberpunk really. The whole punk thing is more from steampunk which has more to do with victorian aesthetics than the whole underground movement.
>Standing around thinking about how better the world could be isn't going to make it how it should be.
It's ironic, isn't it?
They call themselves woke but they do little more than dream.
You could make it a -punk setting by having it be a conflict between conventional and these "renewable" energy sources personified by factions.
But there's a lot of problems with this entire theme. its always depict as low population density infrastructure and never bothers showing farmland. No modern society would be sustainable with this shit just because of the sheer population size.
Hell, you could make it -punk by making the pretty appearance a facade for an authoritarian regime that has to dictate every aspect of life as not to exceed their ability to produce and provide power. But that would make it dystopian and they dont want that either.
It'd probably work fine for a final fantasy kind of fantasy world though, purely as an aesthetic style
it's funny how tumblr pretends this is an actual thing that is an actual subgenre, and not just a random collection of concept art and "vibes"
this is problematic as frick for any dev that tries to portray such a world, outcomes would range from the studio liquidating to leadership getting suicided
ah yes nothing more utopian than afropunk
so what is the utopian solution to Black folk again?
>give them whatever they want
uh no, we tried that already
But why Solar?
Solar energy is one of the worst alternatives out there, even in term of pollution emited for their construction and maintenance.
You use that much solar power, now you got 0 electricity at least half of the time, and you're shitting out tons of pollution just to keep your lacking grid running.
Because I imagine it only works with certain genres like platformers or JRPGs and no one’s bothered to make on yet and the industry is filled with people like Nomura and Kojima chasing their fantasies
Enslaved: Odyssey to the West is half "solarpunk" and half post-apocalyptic I guess
It's just overgrown new york
Chapter 6 iirc does have wind power fueling trips whole village I give you that
Then it turns into junkyardpunk
>see solarpunk thread
>don't know what it is so google it
>half the thread arguing about european energy sources and left/right american politics
What the frick is wrong with you people
I think anon's tired after reading so many posts all day long, no more brain power, easy posts no imagine.
yeah solarpunk is just high tech high life, compare to cyberpunk which is high tech low life
it has nothing to do with left or right or solar energy
Ganker is moronic as always what do you expect
Huh?
Solatorobo exists, and that pic is extremely evocative of it. Shame it's just a DS game and there's only so much it could do. This could definitely benefit from a remake
Because solarpunk isn't an aesthetic it's a utopian fantasy where cities are covered in trees with nowhere for the roots to grow, where canals and waterworks are placed haphazardly without any care for waste removal, where everything is powered by renewables but without ever showing the massive fields of solar panels, where wind turbines are placed laughably close to living spaces without any concern for the noise, where everyone lives in harmony with nature while no one questions how the materials for all these solar panels will be mined, where power is provided for free 24/7 yet no mention is made for battery storage, where overpopulation is never confronted.
Solarpunk is a hippy joke, a "what if everyone was nice" showerthought without anyone challenging why that isn't the case. Reality is solarpunk has many barriers to reality but even acknowledging them would require the proponents to research what they're talking about which they're not prepared to do, only call anyone challenge this fantasy an evil conservative and return to their hugbox.
>fantasy setting isn't realistic
yeah no fricking shit, do you also autistically breakdown why steampunk 'wouldn't work' when somebody posts a victorian era city with blimps and brass pipes everywhere?
Why yes I do anon. I will happily remind Redditors that steampunk already existed, it was the Victorian era. Because steam isn't a source of energy, the source was burning coal. Pretentious homosexuals don't want to admit they're fantasizing about coalpunk because the reality of that era was thick coal smog covering cities and anyone not rich enough to be a tophat wearing homosexual living outside city limits was dying of bronchitis.
Except it`s not fantasy but hard sci-fi based on existing tech and global trends.
Solarpunk is about clean futurist lines with greenery mixed in dumbo, realismgays trying to dictate what's allowed in fiction are cancer, every last one of your protests can be handwaved with some bullshit about self replicating magic nanomachines or whatever
When the frick did futurism get relabled as this gay ass solarpunk? Is this a zoomer thing?
Everything is a zoomer thing boomer. Get of my board.
>of
Get back to class, zoomer
no he is saying become one of the board
Futurism is more unrefined, pretty sure everyone from that movement is already dead from old age
I don't like overgrown cities so I don't like solarpunk. I think the forests in solarpunk cities make them look like an incoherent mess and it's a little gay too. Not an interesting to explore future either.
I don't mind clean 'sustainable' future cities. The arcology in IW is cool, for instance. But solarpunk takes it too far
>Solarpunk is about clean futurist lines with greenery mixed in dumbo
I don't care if it's realistic or not but you are conflating two different things. Wipeout is not solarpunk, or at the very least some of it's maps are only minimally solarpunk.
>I don't like overgrown cities so I don't like solarpunk
Interestingly the current state of things makes it seem like we're heading towards a decentralized future where smaller communities will again be popular. Things like satellite internet constellations, delivery drones, solar panels, energy storage advancements and remote work all suggest that a lot of the main benefits of mega cities are being lost.
That coupled with a lot of economists predicting that even globalism might be on the decline and that a return to national independence is on the horizon, we might actually see a total reversal on previous future predictions.
The future may just be a whole bunch of small specialized and independent towns.
>globalism might be on the decline
I won't be holding my breath...
There is no way for tech to lead to decentralization when the things enabling the decentralization are themselves centralized ultra-high-tech products
You'd get a superficially "decentralized" mess of weak governments all buying their necessary infrastructure from the oligo/monopoly that makes the drones / satellites / whatever
That seems really obvious tbh
>when the things enabling the decentralization are themselves centralized ultra-high-tech products
such as?
It's becoming easier than ever before for individual home owners to generate and store power to power their homes, produce goods themselves, and make nearly everything they need. The main draw in the past for big cities was to keep industries close and because cities had most of the jobs but with remote work that is increasingly no longer the case.
>You'd get a superficially "decentralized" mess of weak governments all buying their necessary infrastructure from the oligo/monopoly that makes the drones / satellites / whatever
Nah, you'll have a few megacorps/ government controlled corps producing a few goods that are still unfeasible for the average person to make but most essentials will be made locally or by individuals, the grasp governments and global corporations have on the lives of individuals is slipping away.
>but most essentials will be made locally or by individuals, the grasp governments and global corporations have on the lives of individuals is slipping away
Delusional, utterly delusional.
Wipeout is broadly solarpunk, there are almost no other games that give a similar vibe
wipeout is just futuristic. not punk anything
It has solarpunk underpinnings.
I'm not convinced. you need to present an argument for it.
I wish there's a different phrase to differentiate between actual solarpunk, and the more futuristic pathway to a eco-friendly future. The hippies can have their solarpunk word, there just needs to be another word for a sci-fi aesthetic with emphasis on clean energy and eco-friendly culture.
Actual, real Solarpunk:
>More rural focus, basically cottagecore with more tech
>Leftist-anarchy utopia
>Disdain for nuclear energy
>Either a choice or mix of Asian aesthetics and afropunk
>Everything in https://youtu.be/UqJJktxCY9U
Eco-friendly sci-fi:
>High density cities with high emphasis on public transport (trains and buses) and public parks
>Lots and lots of pro-environmental laws and culture, as well as massive resources put into other public services
>Either Art Nouveau style or sleek futuristic style, depending on how technologically advanced
>No anarchist ideology, but a progressive central government with a mixed economy
>Solar, wind, and other renewable energy are used, but nuclear provides a large share of the produced energy. Rural areas consume mostly renewables, while the dense urban dominate in consuming nuclear
>No stupid shit like vertical farms, skyscrapers covered in trees, and car-centric cityplanning
>Example is Overwatch Numbani
I don't know what the political system in Wipeout is, but I'll use that as an example for the latter. I like the pic at
, assuming that pic is from Wipeout.
>assuming that pic is from Wipeout.
it's not. https://www.artstation.com/artwork/lPloG
I classify what you just posted and termed 'eco-friendly sci-fi' as solarpunk, because leftist utopia that looks nice on the surface would be hell to live in and is a kino aesthetic
We probably have different definitions, see
what separates wipeout from any other futuristic earth setting that makes it solarpunk to you? just the fact that trees still exist? that they didn't turn the planet into Coruscant yet?
The architectures curves mixing with the harmony of nature, basically wipeout looks like a postmodern architects wet dream aka utopia
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Other futuristic earth settings look like blanket Hollywood sci-fi they don't have this specific focus on merging architecture with landscape with track that wipeout does and there are no games off the top of my head that have a similar aesthetic
everybody out there is just aping syd mead.
>Wipeout is broadly solarpunk
I've played them and no they aren't. In all the games, especially 2097 and Fusion, you are racing in predominantly urban environments, more often than not in industrial and somewhat cyberpunk tracks, though sometimes in tropical or natural environments.
If you squint then maybe Pure and 2048 have more solarpunkish tracks? They are a lot cleaner and brighter than the previous games, and a couple of them do have some tracks that reflect 'sustainable' urban living. I didn't like the artistic direction they went in. But they shouldn't count as solarpunk either since simply having a clean future isn't enough to count as solarpunk. They're more, idk, neo-futurist or something idk.
I'm not that anon who linked older wipeouts, I'm talking about hd/omega collection that basically remastered pulse and pure with a lot more detail and focus on art direction
Neo-futuristic doesn't fit because that includes a frick tonne of shit that looks nothing even cloae to wipeout, solarpunk is closer
The thing is if even those newer Wipeout games are 'solarpunk' then I don't understand what the point of the term is. Solarpunk is a very green future, it's one where a society is deeply interconnected with nature. That's why we have the term to distinguish it from just a nice or clean future. I just don't see how the newest Wipeout titles broadly reflect that.
Neo-futurism doesn't fit but I do think people here must be confusing having a clean future and certain architectural styles with automatically qualifying as solarpunk.
I basically don't differentiate because a nice clean future is utopian and rides on the idea of green energy while blanket futurism covers basically everything
You only really see it here or in 4x games like endless space
The only Syd Mead-core game I can think of is mass effect 1 and then they threw the aesthetic in the garbage for everything afterwards for absolutely no reason, Noveria was kino.
>I basically don't differentiate because a nice clean future is utopian and rides on the idea of green energy while blanket futurism covers basically everything
Okay well no offense but it seems like most people do differentiate them. I'm not sure if Wipeout is broadly based on renewable energy, but assuming it is and just taking Wipeout Omega, I just don't think it automatically counts as solarpunk since most people use the term to mean soemthing specific
>where everyone lives in harmony with nature
I always thought this concept was moronic.
"Live in harmony with nature" so what ar eyou going to toss your infants at some bears so they can eat?
We even like to larp like native american were "in tune with nature" when the people the migrated to the americas and became them fricking slaughtered everything. They weren't living in tune with nature they crippled nature was well as they could with their level of advancement and nature had to find a way to live in harmony with THEM.
Nature is a fricking meatgrinder and the only "peaceful" areas are those where humans have killed off the majority of the predators and megafauna.
I feel like playing Factorio now. Any other games featuring industries?
Captain of Industry
Workers & Resources: Soviet Republic
Dyson Sphere Program
Satisfactory
More of a puzzle game but Infinifactory looks good
Explain Solarpunk to me.
Imagine this but it's sunny daytime, all the cars hover and the buildings look like a post-modern architects wet dream
Looks nice and clean on the surface but it's grimy and dystopian underneath the facade of future optimism
Art Nouveau (usually) with a sci-fi twist and an emphasis on environmentalism and sustainable living.
>solarpunk is just art nouveau
Fake news
Keyword is "usually". alternatives of the style can be varied, other options lean towards in the fantasy side (like Valley of the Wind) or something more grounded and real (like Earthships).
He's just trolling,
meant for
nausicaa's setting is way more interesting than this solar shit
99% of tech is lost so they ride animals and build windmills, but they also "mine" components from ruins of civilization to make some advanced shit
So it's like Quantum Theory?
It's an aesthetic. Society is downscaled to a sustainable level, but they are technologically advanced. Lots of focus on nature and humanity taking up less space with dense vertical structures.
Some tumblrites saw these pictures and mantled it for their ecological model of a utopian society, but there's been a context with these bright and sunshiney overgrown towers people live in on little island platforms - probably a catastrophe wiping out much of society and the remnants letting the world heal a bit. Without this context, the only real way you could tone down the global population enough to make the water you live next to actually blue is a very strict governing body that is very effective in enforcing its agenda.
Golden age of sci fi: Technology is invented, it does something bad and unexpected, MAN SHALL NOT TRESPASS ON GOD's DOMAIN!
pessimistic in tone
Silver Age of Sci fi: Technology is invented and serves as a means to create a story for the characters to deal with, characters are all manly competent men with nerves of steel, most likely author stand ins. very optimistic in tone
Cyberpunk: Technology is advanced but societal problems have only gotten worse, the main characters are the dregs of society usually criminals. pessimistic in tone
Post Cyberpunk: Technology is advanced but some societal problems have gotten worse, some however have improved or even been eliminated, the characters are usually working class but functional members of society just trying to make do. realistic in tone
Solar Punk: The world is on the mend due to advancing technology, but not everything is perfect but still things are good and getting better, cautiiously optimistic in tone.
What is some post-cyberpunk media?
Ghost in the shell
Anything else? I have thoroughly perused Shirow's body of work (Ghost in the shell, Appleseed, Dominion...)
Basically any work of cyberpunk fiction that depicts a world that isn't totally pessimistic and doomed where the characters are normal law abiding citizens would be post cyberpunk.
Anything by Nihei but that's more like post-post-post-post cyberpunk with how far in the future they take place
Its basically this commercial
>Not the anti-shill version
>Munhoz
The gringo is afraid of the glorious Ñ
solarpunk often looks like just post apocalpytic bc its unkempt and dirty
Kingdom Hearts 3 had an OC world like this. New phone game was about it but its all Bloodborneized
>Junopii
Anywhere to get this guys stuff for free
Solarpunk is a Utopia. A game or story without conflict is boring.
You know, a survival horror taking place in a Solarpunk setting going apocalyptic like Finch would be interesting.
Sun went from electricity provider to deadly laser after an unknown anomaly make it start to expand at an abnormal rate, all the machines and even AI being powered are now malfunctioning and even going insane due to the power output and something weird keeping them all from instantly exploding and instead causing as much damage as possible. All of this while the planet was already an overpopulated shithole, but with gargantuan megacity infrastructure.
Your objective is getting the frick out of the planet, and get lucky by getting to where a scientific expedition went through a wormhole after scanners revealed a fertile planet with conditions apparently similar to earth.
But who knows, nobody has heard from them in months.
I really like this idea, thanks for bringing it up OP.
>Sun went from electricity provider to deadly laser after an unknown anomaly
Instead of this nonsense you could just use a gamma ray burst.
Why the frick do people put 'punk' at the end of every sub genre of scifi shit?
because they're morons who have no idea what the punk part means
i await the day we have the funkopunk aesthetic
More of a state of kind than a genre. Think happiness and bright sunshine and flowers everywhere and happy face emojis pop up everywhere you go and missions tell you how positive you’re being
Just looking at some of this art, I can see why it's not popular. Too upbeat.
Most people like upbeat things though, unlike miserable freaks here who try to deepen their depression instead of fixing it.
there's no such thing as "punk" anymore all the leftie revolutionaries became authoritarians
Is it ever nighttime in Solarpunk settings?
I'm just going to call it Wealthpunk, unofficially renaming it.
>Wealthpunk
This is what I imagine when I read wealthpunk.
>Why isn't there any real solarpunk games?
Probably because "solarpunk" isn't a thing and just adding the word "punk" onto the end of another word doesn't magically create new genres, you gibbering fricking clown of a person.
Because dieselpunk is kino
How can a readily available energy source in a post scarcity world have "punk" attached to its genre?
Unless it's literally some kind of barren desert hellscape and only one powerful guy controls the panels that generate enough power for the water pumps or some shit, I don't see how you can "punk" up that aesthetic.
See
There is.
What's solarpunk? Sounds homosexual
I'm sorry but bright optomistic futures are against Ganker's contrarianistic beliefs.
Because you can't just throw the "punk" suffix into every setting you find different. The cyberpunk genre has it because it mainly revolves around techno anarchists hacking the shit out of people in power, not just because it sounds cool.
NEVER EVER
source?
It's clearly a bunch of AI generated images from some Studio Ghibli model.
Still pretty, if you don't focus too hard on it.
What kind of aesthetic is Enslaved: Odyssey to the West?
Post apocalyptic?
Naturalia or Haikyo if you're a weeb.
Posy apocalyptic + return to nature
Apex: Legends has that aesthetic
True Monster Hunter lorechads know that the series is Post post apocalyptic.
Not only that, MH's gameplay was inspired by PSO, and it's lore is a direct copy of PS's background setting.
Why aren't there a human punk?
Business idea: punkpunk
No i mean human punk, like everything is powered by human
Every chinese/korean game
Everytime I'm told to recycle, I try to litter. Good night Ganker
How come we don't travel by cablecars? Surely putting a single strong wire is way easier than laying down tracks on an uneven terrain.
It depends on how many times you can use it.
You will need to maintenance the cable cars like crazy compared to just laying tracks.
>solarpunk
Oh thats what thats called? I love that shit
God I wish the world would flood already >w<
And then the kemonomimis will become real, yes.
what the name of that japanese indie game that will never come out that has these vibes? I think you play a robot diver?
Fermata on the Pithos
that's the one! cheers
Would love for actual video games that are actually out focusing on this specific asthetic
dang, source?
I would harvest all of them for meat
I bet littering is a crime worthy of a death sentence there. That's a good thing, by the way.
I've had a dream which legit looked like that. One of the best dreams I ever had.
Nice
I had one one time where everyone had perfect vibrant lawns, and the streams for replaced with deep crystal blue rivers. It...was beautiful. Same to what you said.
reminder that the moment this went viral half of those homes were bought up by the chinese and the canals are full of tourists every summer now
Overwatch
There is a map like that but its lacking all the water, though dunno if water is part of the "solarpunk" label or whatever
I don't know what the hell Solarpunk is or if these pics are it but frick I'd love to be in that world or at least a game in it. The aesthetic is pleasing.
communist
>1dGanker died again
man the internet is going down the shitter
https://web.archive.org/web/20210621034429/https://1dGanker/wiki/Setting:CATastrophe
Thanks anon.
>1dGanker died again
It's still up, you just can't get to it through google searches, for whatever reason.
https://1dGanker/wiki/Main_Page
Gravity Rush captures some of the vibes. imagine if it was cities floating on water instead of floating on air?
No, that's something else entirely, both yours and OP's pic. No one including OP has a good description of what solarpunk really is because there's very few media that has it. This
would probably be the closes one in this thread. Only one I can think of is one of Miozaki's films. Its literally just like steampunk except people relying on solar energy instead of steam because they have their own advanced technology to capture sunlight.
cute girls but architecture drawn by a moron
That's pedopunk
>pedopunk
Sounds interesting, can you describe it in a more detail?
Are there any small villages built on water irl? Bonus points if not a shithole 3rd world place
If you have money you aren't building on the water.
Mirror's Edge
>it took 200 posts for Ganker to mention the only solarpunk game in existence
What's eco-friendly about it?
what is "solarpunk"?
Sunny city with a lot of greenery. I don't know why morons ITT had to make it political.
Anyone read the Asimov novel about a murder investigation on a planet where everyone lives on gigantic sprawling estates with no neighbours for kilometers? In my mind this is what defines solarpunk
I dont know about defines, but for the mega-rich it checks out
This is fully embracing the "unrealisticness" of solarpunk of course. I picture it with Moebius-esque aesthetics crossed with Lanfeust, sun shining over sprawling fields dominated by manors carved out of white rock
Really quite pleased with what my brain came up with on this one
Friendly reminder that Solarpunk proponents are Marxists and should be opposed at all costs.
>solarpunk
Isn't that Rockstar?
Sonic CD good future levels
How can a setting be punk with a free and infinite energy source like solar?
Its the technology that's used to be able to get that energy is what matters and for it to be good enough to power any and everything with ease just adds to the fantasy.
Didn't even know it was an aesthetic.
>solarpunk
I've been endlessly bum-bothered by all the fricking trees and plants growing everywhere in pics of this. I don't think peoples understand how much damage roots can do to concrete and asphalt, vines to tiles once they start growing underneath them or just the amount of dirt and mud generated by falling leaves/branches.
>Did quick research on solarpunk after this thread
>Someone need to mine all of the lithium and cobalt to build and maintain all of the solar panels
>Someone need to mine all of the aluminum and iron to build and maintain all of the wind turbines
>Someone need to mine all of the pottasium for all of the rural farms
>You need to be very rich or be a corporate slave to be able to afford the solar panels and robot servants
>The world need to have <1% of the current world population for mechanized labor to be a viable substitute
>The world need to be in a post climate apocalypse for everyone to agree not to use any of the coal, gas, oil, and uranium
>Ignores the existence of dry arid unarable lands and also 70% of africa
>Out of topic talk about giving back native american land while expecting them to also happen to agree with their unsustainable eco-fascist ideology
>Every single mf talking about it looks like they are unemployed and have useless college degree
Yeah its almost like its fantasy of something
single mf talking about it looks like they are unemployed and have useless college degree
That comes with the "punk" territory. Every "punk" genre has those types. People used to shit on steampunk gays for the longest time.
It's a shit fantasy. Solar panels aren't cool. They're gay.
They're pretty useful if you want to live off grid or continuously supply power to something without relying on global industry.
I don't know why solar panels trigger people this hard. That's like hating batteries. Just the sight of a solar panel on a calculator puts oil boomers into extreme rage.
Part of the goydoctrination, they'll
BREATH
THE
VENOM
until they die.
Yeah yeah, you are an edgelord and epic and contrarian, we get it, David.
I just know more than you.
Global industy like mines.
>Global industy like mines.
You understand that metals don't vanish after being mined right?
I'm not fooled. Go sell your corpratocacy to someone else.
My assumption is that within the next century most metals used in production and manufacturing will 1: be heavily recycled as recycling tech gets more efficient and 2: be primarily mined from the moon and near earth asteroids.
Also potassium isn't generally mined potassium used for fertilizers is extracted from burned plants
And anyone claiming the future won't heavily rely on nuclear power is moronic.
What I don't like is how there are mf who unironically thinks it's a good idea
Solar panels are a shit way to achieve solarpunk. For one: It's not very punk. And 2, it's not cool. Shit breaks and you can't wrench it. GAY. NOT PUNK.
A stirling engine using the sun focused in a fresnel lens for heat is a much better vision of solar power. Wrenchable, easily reproducible, and PUNK AS FRICK.
destiny
I always wanted to play the concept art version of Destiny. It looks great.
I wanted to play medieval destiny 1
I like this thread and the discussion, even though you people don't know what solarpunk actually is.
Let's be real. None knows what solarpunk is
Except for me, which I described here
the catgirls are an important part that most people forget
The girls in jp school uniforms look so out of place lol
they are tourists they will soon be kidnapped and sold into sex trafficking
You mean they'll be swarmed and cuddlepiled, right?
In the Dystopian Matriarchal far-future of CATastrophe non-consensual cuddling and violent nose booping are considered offences of the highest order, and for that there is only one punishment worthy of your crime being forcefully turned into a senior, spending the rest of your prolonged life as a husk of a man you used to be
I recommend Tasomachi Into The Twilight, Rime (on sale), Cloudpunk, and Shinsekai into the depths.
Read the OP as "Sodapunk" and now I want that instead.
Franky from One Piece.
Sodapunk is good.
>when the tech becomes like magic we can live in harmony with nature again and this is why I support Raytheon
Never gonna happen. The population has reached critical mass and we are all miserable. The elites are hoping that by making every country brown that we’ll be distracted to fix how awful everything is
Nice conspiracy you got there pol tard, just because your life is shit doesn’t mean it’s some elites fault. Stop it with the victim mentality
The only people I notice with a smile on their faces are fat foreigners living on welfare and those who are too intoxicated to think. Go where the workers are all week and observe them before lying to me that they are happy
I didn’t say no one has it bad, all I am saying is if you just blame it on some mystical “elite” you will never fix it
There is no mystery to who is the elite. They are in the most powerful positions in the country with the most influence so they are controlling what happens. There is no need to write that out every post when it is so obvious and they can be identified extremely easily by name
Okay, so lets say you are right, what do you suppose we do about it?
Varying degrees of replacement. Some by death, others a simple case of restoring a merit based system which will see those in power fall out of power extremely quickly.
Beyond Good & Evil is pretty solarpunk I think.
The problem is there's no "punk" element to most of these "-punk" things
Is Chrono Trigger solarpunk
We need a Pitch Black prequel game
Isn't the new Kirby like this?
Nah it’s more dystopian, it’s great tho, highly recommend it
I'm more of an wavepunk guy
waterworld?
Neat.
solarpunk would be cool if people actually leaned into the punk angle
make it about rabid individualism and huge swaths of the population going off grid and self sufficient, supported by advancements in energy technology like solid state batteries and easier to make solar panels, the wealthy living in independent Arcologies that have their own artificial weather systems creating a man made tropical paradise and the poor reverting to almost tribal existences in their shadow
Then why don't you do it?
because there's 30 other things I'm already not doing
I dare you to name them!
that would be cool, but it just goes to show how these "genres" are meaningless, or have a meaning forced on them just to pretend they're more than an aesthetic.
solarpunk is boring by definition, so your idea being even remotely interesting already sets itself away from the term.
there's nothing "punk" about any of this
its extremely boring both in terms of possible stories and in therms of aesthetics
while it like effectively every other genre is mired in tropes and clichés you can have bleak shit with your solarpunk and noone is 'officially' putting a gun to your head to make every piece of solar punk media be plastered with some smug mulatto standing in front of an Utopia she had no hand in making.
>Solarpunk is boring
Then why not making it cool?
*Then why not try to make it cool?
Too hawt, the sun is killing my brain.
Solarpunk is essentially utopian, it doesn't breed conflict like cyberpunk or steampunk does.
Not a big deal. If its not a Solarpunk story, then it will be a action story in a solarpunk setting.
time to make like Ganker in 2011 and spew out the ass for a Deconstruction of the setting.
Make it set on a planet where only one half of it receives sunlight while the other doesn't, and the population of the dark side of the planet has been deprived of sunlight for so long that they're bug eyed crazy people that keep trying to break in to the other side of the planet that receives sunlight
Solarpunk is essentially the final boss of postmodern nihilism
That guy
Is
A bit
moronic
i used to like JBP but he's really become an unstable human.
When I see people call a guy crazy it makes me think they're probably onto something. Most people we regard as geniuses today were considered insane in their times.
I didn't say he was crazy i said he was unstable, emotionally.
But if that's really what your opinion is there's asylums of people you'd probably think are very well informed.
Personally I have very little patience for actual crazy people, they can be entirely friendly one moment then immediately think you're some conspirator enemy because of their intense paranoia.
I mean people who can do things like be self-sufficient and write coherent books.
>JBP
>coherent
No, most people that are called crazy are just crazy. Go talk to some homeless people sometime, there's a reason they can't hold a job or even stay stable enough to collect welfare consistently.
The brilliant but crazy people are a tiny minority in a sea of morons believing random nonsense because the wires in their brain are crossed. And even the brilliant ones are usually only brilliant in one field and just normal crazy I'm everything else.
No, I think we would be able to tell a genuine crazy person from an unrealized genius. Don't forget that "back then" was a time of massive uneducation
Prove us how less moronic than him you are then.
the guy likely let the place burn because he wanted or is friends wanted to buy up that premium real-estate on the cheap. the environmentalism shit was just a facade.
>Nuclear energy = Fire, Hydro energy = Water, Wind power = Wind, Sun energy = Light.
I'm trying to imagine a modern JRPG element system, do you think I can add Zero Point as stand in for Void and Dark Energy for Dark?
I'm so sad that that room temperature superconductor thing is a hoax. I heard it would accelerate the production of nuclear fusion among other useful things.
>zero mention of anno 2070 or alpha centauri
They aren't solarpunk, they shoot straight into generic utopian sci-fi. Same with Aven Colony, Surviving Mars, etc. Having solar panels as a primary power source alone does not make it solarpunk, just as cybernetic arms does not make a setting cyberpunk
Because it's boring and stupid.
Why even call it punk? There is a reason why we don't call Art-Nouveau steampunk and Art-Deco dieselpunk. The -punk part implies something else.
Companies haven't pushed for it.
Far as I remember solar is still very inefficient since we can only use one small part of the spectrum to create energy, without discovering a way to be able to use the entire spectrum then solar will always be viewed as too inefficient for any decent world building.
Could probably do something with solar sails that would make an interesting world but to have. Society that suddenly has solar technology and choose it over the stena and coal energy that they used to make the panels is too far a stretch and wouldn't make sense.
>Companies haven't pushed for it.
Solarpunk is literally a corporate/lefty marketing ploy
Solar is a scam at the moment. No company is close to the necessary breakthrough so no one wants to seriously invest it yet since only company will have that breakthrough that makes solar profitable, whatever their words are they won't actually lift a finger unless there's a profit to be made.
Wed all have nuclear powered cars by now if nuclear wasn't so expensive and as risky an investment as it is.
Post your rare punks.
Here is my, dogpunk.
I want a game where there's 3 factions. Steampunk, Solarpunk, Cyberpunk. Plus a secret Biopunk.
Because it's not a thing.
Solar energy right now isn't even green
Reminder that if leftists and greens would have wanted the actual cheap energy utopia, they would have pushed nuclear instead of the solar and wind cringe.
Wasn't thorium supposed to be the savior of nuclear? What happened to thorium reactor proposals?
It requires further R&D which required funding. Same as breeder reactors.
gay
>breeder reactors
I volunteer. Lead me to the christmas cakes
Nobody wants to be the government that invests in nuclear technologies right now.
>Solar Punk?
>Low brow American left/right dichotomy!!!
Oh you guys.
what the shit is "solarpunk"? is it the moronic belief that useless shit like sun or wind power is enough spread by israelites to prevent the panic?
btw if you want some eco friendly energy just throw israelites and trannies into bio reactors
>what the shit is "solarpunk"?
Try reading the fricking thread you troglodyte
>reading morons doing moronic takes
no thanks
it's another aesthetics-first setting that falls apart if you prod it; just like steampunk.
it's hard to have a compelling video game story in a utopian setting where nothing can go wrong ever.
while it's pretty, the socialist utopia idea where everybody always gets along and things all work great just isn't good for story. The only type of conflict you could do is "le they are destroying out habitat" which isn't very compelling and has gotten boring over the years
(see any story having to do with humans vs elves)
reminder. being pro environment in an actual useful way (nuclear) is a right wing talking point
What the frick is solarpunk
Because what the frick does that mean
Shall I also go on Ganker and post threads about random shit?
>WHY ARE THERE NO Black personPUNK GAMES?
>WHY AREN'T THERE ANY SQUIGGLEFINKS?
>THERE AREN'T ANY TRUE FUTTBUGGS
>NAME ONE SINGLE "REAL" YIFFTIGGER
END YOURSELF GO BECOME DECEASED SOMEWHERE AWAY FROM HERE
WHERE AREEE ALL THE REAL SQUIMBUS GAMES??