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>happy holidays
>happy holidays
Almost as old as saying merry shitmess. You've fallen for the memes.
I wonder who us behind these posts...
a white male baiting shitskin thirdies like (You)
Seems I hit the bullseye, happy hanukkah, my middle eastern friend!
I'm the first guy you mentioned and yeah I hate all religion. That's why it helps to know it's history and it was really funny seeing people conning themselves over silly things like this. It's getting boring though. Grow up and stop having imaginary friends.
the devil (jehova) is not imaginary
that reminds me of shit going on in italy where right-wingers try to moan about how italian food is traditionally prepared, things like tortellini being traditionally made with pork filling, to try and, obviously, get really defensive about ITALIA STRONG and pander to traditionalists in the country
and then getting into pissing contests because italy has food boards and food historians that confirm pork tortellini is a very very recent invention, and before the turn of the century and for several centuries before, tortellini was exclusively stuffed with poultry. so they're completely wrong about what "tradition" actually means here, and when they say "tradition" they actually mean "practices started maybe only a generation, or two, prior, which for my argumentative purposes spans back thousands of years"
>"traditional" italian cooking
>it all uses fricking tomatoes
pathetic
well yeah that's a big part of what was available. it's why italian-american food is so opulent, it's italian peasants going meat and cheese crazy
if your traditions are only a couple hundred years old i am not going to take them seriously, call me when you hit a millennium
ok
Shut up, fat.
i am fat and i am proud. bon italia
Die in a fricking fire. Drink a bottle of bleach. Slit your wrists and die. You don't get to act like reddit homosexuals on Ganker. You think you do, but you don't.
yeah yeah le total le shitalian le death xD i've heard it all get it out of your system you fat Ganker homosexual
I love this copypasta.
If that's a copypasta it's new to me.
No, it fricking isn't, you reddit homosexual. Christmas has existed since the 4th fricking Century, and it's been a major holiday since around 1000 AD. Frick you and your leftist cancer. You are human trash and should be locked in a dumpster and set on fire.
Most honest and reasonable conservative.
Most honest and reasonable conservative.
HOLY BASED
Most masculine and intimidating redditors
Holy samegay reddit
>congratulating israelites is literally white genocide(98% christians)
say His name, israelite
Bill O'Riley
>mad he didnt say merry israelitemass
played like a fiddle
nickers frick off
Who is that qt?
That 125k number is probably an average.
Lower end employees probably make 50-70K with senior roles earning 150-200K based on some of the positions I've seen.
500 is a lot though, it doens't even seem like a game that warrants that many people working on it.
And does that number include the artists, Voice actors, marketers, engine programmers, designers, etc?
Game dev teams should have a hard limit in the 100s, shouldn't even get to 200 really.
ladyboy who went viral
Im not a women im a ladyboi..judt googlr this and you will find him.
Oiiii vveeeey!
American Christians(supposedly) freaking about "Happy Holidays" are super fricking annoying.
Happy Holidays, is a Christian saying. You know that the Winter Holidays are a whole lot more than just Christmas Day right? Happy Holidays is the Christian greeting referencing the Christian holidays of the winter season.
How many Twelvetide holidays can you even name aside from Christmas? How many do you celebrate? When did you last celebrate Stephen's Day? Have you ever honoured the Holy Innocents? Do you do anything during the Christian holidays outside of venerating a pagan folklore spirit after having decorated a pagan tree inside of your very house?
The Twelvetide holidays aren't even the only the Christian holidays of the Winter Holidays. And there are holidays that precede the Twelvetide and holidays that just coincidentally coincide with it that were either celebrated before or were added later. But these fringe holidays are rarer and are mostly tied to specific regions.
Regardless. Shitting on "Happy Holidays" as somehow unchristian, when all you do is celebrate "Christmas Day" like some pagan. Is utterly ridiculous.
If you do this, I at least hope you don't do any Santa shit. No Christmas trees. No Christmas decorations. And that you just attend your local Midnight Mass on Christmas Eve.
>American Christians(supposedly) freaking about "Happy Holidays" are super fricking annoying.
>Wall of text*
just say your ass hurts and you don't handle dissent well
#Eurphoric
I'll take fedora tipping athiests over frothing at the mouth "War on Christmas" conservative agitprop any day of the week. nu/misc/ is fricking cringe and low IQ
Then you can frick off back to /r/eddit and stay there, troony homosexual.
Make me /misc/ redditor. Oh right you can't. Now go play with the other ladyboys since you clearly see them as your adversaries.
kek
>samegayging redditors think they are allowed to post here
Frick off back to lebbit and stay there. You can no longer post here ever again.
What a fricking loser, LOL!
Do you think you're fooling anyone, samegay? Just have a nice day then frick off back to reeddit.
>religion doesn't hold dissent well
Not religious, can you make any more useless posts?
>policing others on being unchristianlike
>doesn't even know of or celebrate the christian traditions
lol
lmao even
>policing others on being unchristianlike
>doesn't even know of or celebrate the christian traditions
but Christmas is a pagan rite and celebrating it will send you to hell.
>Yep, you're dead, let's go over how you did in life.
>Says here you accepted jesus as your savior, helped the poor, celebrated our lord's birth every year...
>wait, what's this? YOU PUT DECORATIONS ON A PINE TREE EVERY YEAR?
>You're going straight to hell you degenerate frick, don't let the gate hit on the ass on the way down.
>Anubis just shaking his head at you on your way down
Feelsbadman
kek
the new atheism movement really did a number on radditors
Based Christian
have a nice day.
t. Ass blasted
Show your nose.
i'm not upset that he said merry christmas
i'm upset that he ended the post that way.
i assume that anon is too.
it'd be like. "Oh, yes, well, my cat died, my grandffather got raped and killed in prison, and the earth's sea levels are rising to the point where florida won't exist soon. Merry Christmas!!! :^) :^) :^)"
>i assume that anon is too.
No. Anon is clearly one of those "war on christmas" moronos.
>outside of venerating a pagan folklore spirit after having decorated a pagan tree inside of your very house?
It's not. The Christmas tree was a thing thought up by Germans who went from decorating things akin to a maypole to mark the Winter Solstice by taking twigs and sticks from nearby trees, to just using the tree itself, and then it exploded because queen Victoria's husband taught her the tradition and they had a sketch made depicting an opulently decorated tree which led to the masses wanting to do it for their own homes, and then this got passed onto the Americas which then exported it to the rest of the world and popularized it further.
>decorating things akin to a maypole to mark the Winter Solstice by taking twigs and sticks from nearby trees
What do you call this if not pagan? Certainly related at least. No?
It can be tangentially related if you feel like it but some literally only did it to mark the changing of the seasons and specifically to mark that time of year happening. There were no pagan connotations nor worship of the spirits, it's like saying Groundhog Day is pagan.
GHD is earth spirit worship, yes
based and truthpilled
have a nice day and die.
No, I don't think I will 🙂
>she fells for the SRS israelite
I'll never forgive the israeli pharma mafia for ruining our ladyboys.
Bottom surgery should be illegal. It's like cutting off an angel's wings.
Angels aren't real
Dude you're just gay
Yes, and?
So then go for dudes instead hoping girls keep their dicks.
I'm not attracted to men who look like men, i'm attracted to men who look like women.
Trans girls aren't men though.
Ok then i'm attracted to women with penises.
I think femboys are more up your alley. Trans girls prefer straight guys.
>if you like trannies you're gay
>NO WAIT I MEAN YOU'RE NOT
pick one Black person
If you like dick you're gay. It's not complicated.
Your moms Gay?
Very, and I'm a lesbian.
You can't be a lesbian and have a Y-chromosome, anon.
Why not?
...We've always said happy holidays because Christmas and New Year's are right next to each other. You fricking moronic zoomers.
even impotently complaining about people saying happy holidays is older than these morons
Shut the frick up. "Happy holidays" is an intentional and concerted effort to censor the word Christmas, in the name of political correctness and "inclusion." This has been going on for half a century now, and it's well documented. It's similar to why some homosexuals use terms like
>BCE
>CE
>Shut the frick up. "Happy holidays" is an intentional and concerted effort to censor the word Christmas, in the name of political correctness and "inclusion." This has been going on for half a century now, and it's well documented. It's similar to why some homosexuals use terms like
No it was always just shorthand for happy new year and merry christmas. It was stolen from us to include the joke holidays like kwanzaa and hannukah.
>It was stolen from us to include the joke holidays like kwanzaa and hannukah.
Yes, that's exactly the problem. No one is complaining about the origin of "Happy Holidays". We're complaining about how it's being used TODAY to obscure "Christmas" because the israelite fears Christ.
>Yes, that's exactly the problem. No one is complaining about the origin of "Happy Holidays". We're complaining about how it's being used TODAY to obscure "Christmas" because the israelite fears Christ.
No one who celebrates christmas gives a single shit about christ, least of all christians.
True, it's the people who don't celebrate Christmas that give a frick about Christ.
"happy holidays" is and has always been used to include thanksgiving and new year's along with christmas to save on having to print new materials for each of them when they're all occurring in the same 5-6 week span and christmas decoration starts right after thanksgiving anyway. there is no other meaningful motivation except the ones that schizos insert from their own narratives, the "other" holidays are just along for the ride and free to include.
What you are saying is objectively untrue, and you know it is untrue. It is a documented fact that corporations and lefitsts have been using as a euphemism to avoid having to say "Merry Christmas." This is a documented fact, and you know that it is a documented fact. Any arguments from you are a performance to try to fool people into believing what you know is false.
christmas is a pagan holiday thoughbeit
Who's we, israelite
You think israelites are magical you respect the Torah with all your nonwhite buddies
>if only you knew
SHUT IT DOWN
He is an oven dodger so it would make sense that he'd say that.
>all the people seething in the replies
all because merry christmas is too triggering to hear lol
Says the gay triggered by "Happy holidays" in the first place lmao
>muh war on Christmas!
see
See this dick in your mouth. You're getting triggered by Happy Holidays and spewing the same Fox News talking points about the war on Christmas but more "antisemeticlly"
Nobody cares about your conservative grievance garbage here. This is the vidya board not your personal toilet for your political psyops
oh no! not basic facts and logic!
see
You can put on this minstrel dance all you want, but you're not fooling a single person here.
Again see this dick in your mouth. You're not fooling anyone calling your conservative propaganda "documented facts" you drone.
Not video games
see
All leftists inherently know how to do is lie and obfuscate. Every waking moment they live in terror that their side of the political spectrum will look bad in front of fence-sitters, so they go to the ends of the earth, pretending to believe things they don't believe and arguing things they know are false. To be a leftist is to lie every waking moment of your life.
This post has more projection than IMAX theater. Plenty of salt for the popcorn too.
See
You can put on this minstrel dance all you want, but you're not fooling a single person here.
see
I think what you meant to write is
>y'all ain't fooling no one.
jew
not an argument.
>youre mad about something that got replaced because it made me mad!!!!!!!!
You're seething all because happy holidays is too triggering to hear lol
>not an arguuueeeent!!!
I wasn't responding to one
>copy pastes my post
>changes a few words
why are leftists like this?
>implying rightoids have anything original to say
You're don't deserve anything more than bot replies. Be grateful you little shit.
I can hear the gay lisp in this reply lol
You shouldn't read my replies out loud then homosexual lmao.
Aww the gay guy is mad : )
You should calm down then. No need to get your diapers in a twist.
>transfolx LITERALLY run home crying to complain on their secluded incel forum because a passerby said "merry christmas"
metaprojection
>tradcon pigfricker LITERALLY run home crying to complain on their Taiwanese incel board because a passerby say "Happy holidays"
Meta projection
>copy pastes your entire post
>changes few words
why are leftists like this? so much for being the creative ones
I'm just correcting you, your spelling mistakes included. You got triggered by "Happy Holidays" and now you're trying to project. If you don't want to be mocked and mimicked then stop being hypocritical dullard.
>umm no u
honestly just piss poor. go raid the next politics thread
it was one post and then a bunch of replies to it seething
>be hypocrite
>get called out
>You can't do that you're doing a "no u!"
You made this about politics, I'm just laughing and shoving your shit back in your face.
>it was one post and then a bunch of replies to it seething
Sums up this thread at the OP
Oy vey
>le war on Christmas is le israeli
The biggest supporters of Israel next to israelites are Christian Conservatives
You do understand that there's a difference between Israelis and leftist America israelites, right? Leftist israelites are the ones who were so triggered by Anno Domini that they created snowflake alternatives.
>Israelis and leftist America israelites, right?
whats its like being single?
What's it like being a troony with a profile on lesbian dating apps?
>NOO YOU DONT UNDERSTANDDD I GOTTA THINK OF TRANNIES AND TALK ABOUT IT WHEN NOBODY ELSE BRINGS IT UP
You tell us you're letting them live in your head rent free lmao
>Conservatives in charge of basic literacy
>doesn't have a response
>posts le reaction face
Jews literally invented BCE and CE because they were triggered by BC and AD. This is historical fact. "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" is the spiritual successor to that.
You're fricking illiterate and moronic.
malding israelite
illiterate moron
You homosexuals are why we are losing the culture war
>we
Just die.
Frick off moron
the left has no culture
Every accusation from the right is a projection.
Every piece of art, every worthwhile, impactful piece of media has been conservative. Leftists don't have the ability to create or innovate, because their worldview is filtered through their religious beliefs. A conservative can make provocative art that speaks to the human condition. All a leftist can do is take that piece of art and add black people to it.
This is the gayest post I've ever read.
Cool
we are losing elections but at least this cope keeps the dream alive
Keep coping morons, meanwhile kids are joining whatever echo chamber their favorite industry plant supports while we are pissing and shitting over pointless crap on a basket weaving forum
And those same kids are rejecting Disney slop and consuming the same conservative media that we do (Japanese cartoons and video games).
Holy shit stop making us sound like 13 years olds for ONE MINUTE
>YEAH YEAH OUR GREAT WHITE NATION HAS IMPORTED CARTOONS AND VIDEO GAMES
A single Japanese manga (Demon Slayer) singlehandedly sold more in one year than the entire American comic book industry did. Does that not say something about the culture war?
Who actually gives a shit when we are losing seats in office to left morons or right boomers too out of touch to actually fix issues.
>too stupid to understand that it's the state legislature who has the real power
My state went "blue" last election, but it doesn't even matter. As long as the state legislature is red, democratic senators and governors can't do any real damage.
>My state went "blue" last election,
L
shouldve went down to the local library and preached about how japanese cartoons could save the west
You do not care about Japan. You do not care about its culture or its people. You all merely see Japan as an abstract entity that represents an alternative to your domestic slop productions. You only care about Japan in the most contrarian sense, for its "alternative" and "anti-woke" status. Your "love" for Japan is entirely performative and an act of rebellion against your own cultural enemies, the same way that a white woman dates a black man to get back at her racist father, or how anti-religious redditors take on Satanism, or how zoomers take on Catholicism to rebel against the former. Your "love" for Japanese media is fleeting and feeble. Should Japan take on too many cultural symbols you disapprove of, you will drop her like garbage, because the only Japan you had in your mind was this abstract idea--a caged zoo animal denied freedom for the sake of your amusement, a country you would rather see put on a performance for your own specific cultural sensibilities rather than a country with its own agency. You will move on to another "alternative" country to latch onto and feel special about, maybe China or South Korea, only to repeat the whole process.
You will never understand what it's like to truly love something, you will never learn Japanese, and you will never be Ken-sama.
Well, sure. We love Japanese media because Japan just tells stories, whereas American slop will always be used to push politics.
You're just proving his point.
What’s crazy is that society doesn’t exist without those people you have disdain for. Either white Christians win or you stop having a power grid.
>What’s crazy is that society doesn’t exist without those people you have disdain for
Your lack of self awareness is impressive.
Explain.
No
Ok then enjoy being wrong.
Not my duty to educate a lefty!!
He's saying that the world is actually run by israelites and sirs.
Oh, well yeah they control the money but the ones that keep technology together are the ones they hate.
Jason Schreier likes hot gay dwarves
Because I make more doing less. 120k might impress neckbeards, but it’s p average
just because it costs the company 120k to employee you, doesnt mean you earn 120k, more like 90k, which is a pretty average to low income for tech
Also keep in mind 'dev' here is a blanket statement for anyone involved in the project. QA testers will not get paid as code monkies, modellers get paid more but are over and off the project after a few months. Coders do not make as much as admins.
If you are actually involved in making the game you are probably paid less than 50k and if you are working for a big studio you probably will be laid off after the product goes gold.
Meanwhile tech workers in my country super happy with 1000~2000€
What percentage of the team was poosourced to India?
$120k would pay for 500 Indian devs for a year - prob more
Yeah but then you have to pay some dudes to unfrick all the Indian code.
I earn like $125k+vesting stock+bonus and do zero crunch time
everything in modern society is about fronting some virtue signal that.. to do so, severely hampers your ability to do the whole point of the thing in the first place.
so much of this is taking place now, that society is unraveling at the inefficiencies
at this point, you just have to have faith that society will wake up before the train completely derails
HA! I laughed. Have your upvote. Don't Look Up was a perfect metaphor for how completely, FRICKED, we, as a species, are.
Modern day Liberals would rather the country turn into a dysfunctional favela than admit that equality is a man made myth and cannot be enforced without serious negative repercussions
video games
Conservatives today and 80 years ago would do all that + respect the Torah / pretend israelites are magical
Frick off back to Palestine, David Duke.
Who is this based as frick studio that still looks like the passionate developers of the 90s?
https://www.raccoonlogic.com/games
That doesn't look anything like an office full of overworked middle-aged Japanese men, that looks like a bunch of homosexuals named Derick that swore they'd be the next Tony Hawk and ended up working at Wendy's
I don’t get it, how does it look shitty?
Because they’re a bunch of nerds that can’t dress? They look happy to me, why should I care
Let me show you want dev studio he wants to look like.
Here you have Relic Studio Then and Now.
Why do these 4 eyed homosexuals use black and white filters on their weird looking profile picture?
no one show him id software making doom
Anyone have pic where someone replied
>wild that game journalists still look like this
>posts a pic of Jason
>Jason blocks them
What a coincidence?
just another cohencidence :^)
>120K is a lot!
lol
120k IS a lot. I doubt they're paying their employees that much.
Thing has become worse this year
why would you stop shopping at Walmart just because you make 100k+?
it sells a ton of stuff
You haven't met enough boomers.
I knew things were getting bad when I was at the grocery store looking at those pre-built food bank donation packs and thinking "holy shit, $10 for three bags of shitty pasta, a can each of beans, tomatoes, corn and a box of crackers? That's a good fricking deal!"
Think of how many Ethiopian children all that could feed anon
120K per year? lol Try 40K per year. Game developers are not big earners, only the managers make big bucks.
The 315 million price tag also includes other costs like advertising. All said, I am not surprised that Schreier is not capable of processing and understanding the info in the leaked slides.
The pay is much higher in California. And the living costs are so high that they still feel poor even with that salary.
This is why you outsource development elsewhere. In-house is too costly.
You can only outsource asset creation, at the end of the day the game still has to be assembled in-house.
then move in house to another state that isn't a shit hole
>The pay is much higher in California.
No it's not, Blizzard pays around $65k for non-senior positions, their junior artists make $45k
I don't know the averages, but Blizzard is known to pay well below what others are paying. They actually try to use the "It's Blizzard! You'll get Blizzard cred for the rest of your career!" to entice people.
It's just as likely that he's trying to obfuscate his role in that bloat. Part of the "advertising" budget is paying off journos.
This is the metroid dread team, right? I can't fricking believe this happened in 2021, i swear it was yesterday.
>All said, I am not surprised that Schreier is not capable of processing and understanding the info in the leaked slides.
He has no idea how anything works in general, it seems. He probably thinks it's a big party or montage.
I looked over the leaked budget sheet, but couldn't find the "advertisement" section. Was it under "PR"?
I'd have to make shit like a deaf autistic black child making murals about racism and shit and bipoc gay homosexual queer gender twice removed artists and oh my god I'd rather be fricking homeless.
$120K in the cities these games are made would put you at the bare minimum to afford the bottom bunk sharing an apartment with 5 other people.
lol so you have the privilege of living trash heap Black persontown (AKA any major city).
it costs alot.. because it just does, ok?
why do you need to live somewhere that expensive to write shitty gay propaganda for a vidyagaem? do these Black folk not at least have email or something?
that isn't a realistic pay
they simply cannot be paying them that much for that garbage work
>implying they even make half that amount
Spider-Man 2 is a step back in many respects and the only things they really doubled down on or expanded on were things they shouldn't have like filler non-Spider-Man content
Holy frick these people are out of their minds. AVERAGE $120K? And he defended ity by linking a senior position and saying it's LA wages.
Fricking Blizzard is in Anaheim and when their big disaster happened people started openly sharing salary and almost everyone posting it was making unde $80k, with several artists near fricking $40k
That's in SF, which is one of the highest cost of living areas in the US. 120k is literally below the poverty line according to the government for a family of four. People in the bay area average $6,800/month for their rent.
>120k is literally below the poverty line according to the government for a family of four
>family of four
>average $6,800/month for their rent
>average
I feel like these numbers are misleading. I doubt most people moving to SF for work have a family of four. In some ways, this makes SF sound more affordable than I thought.
Why is California like this? 120k/yr would put you in the top 10% in my state.
Then why don't you earn that? Should have learned to code moron.
Is it too late at 35
When’s the cutoff
I make 80k/yr and I've got a 3 bedroom 2 bath house and 2 cars. Why the frick would I want to make 120k/yr and spend 100k of that on a 1 bed 1 bath apartment in california? Makes no sense.
It's trying to kill itself.
i am one. It doesn't pay nearly as well as other tech jobs either. Tech is inflated to all hell.
Spider-Man 2's budget is basically baffling.
they must really paid out the ass to create the handful of cinematic fights.
I think the low return they are getting on this game is making them freak the frick out,and the long term word of mouth of the game is that its woke garbage.
which it mostly is, the deaf girl shit, and the "set up the two gay dudes, isn't this fricking progressive" shit is moronic.
also the Solid Snake Mary Jane segments.
$100k doesnt mean shit anymore OP
$100,000 today = $56,0000 in year 2000
b***h 30k was a lot in 2000. Fricking zoomers.
How is it economical? Like is even every PS5 owner buying the game enough to recoup the budget?
Spider-Man 2 is pretty much guaranteed 15M copies sold in its life time.
not a chance, not in a million fricking years is it going to sell that much.
It sold 5m in the first 11 days.
Also SM1 ended up selling >22m (and that's just on PS4).
how much is that from gamepass and not real sales.
>goypass
This is PlayStation.
okay, let me reiterate.
how much are actual sales, and how many are israelite tricks.
are you moronic
Zero. That's how much it actually sold.
That's the reason they're going balls deep on capeshit.
Premium cope
Fun fact: Ocarina of Time had a budget of 1 million dollars for development.
This is the price of graphicsgayging and cucking to the GPU cartels. If every game looked like an N64 title (see ) we would have masterpieces releasing every month.
Why don't San Fran companies move to Montana or something to keep costs low? I feel like these costs are so high because of the high cost of living.
because the only people who care about keeping the costs low, are the ancient Boomer israelites who bankroll these ventures and are frankly, moronic.
they are just insanely wealthy and think they can demand 3x returns.
everyone below the Boomer israelite, are moronic San Fran Lefties or, god forbid, French.
meanwhile most Jap dev's are making way better products for nickels.
why is it like this? because its a big ass industry and making a good product from a sane budget is the very last thing they give a frick about.
>move to Montana
You can say this shit, you can run all the congressional inquiries about why young adults get college degrees and then immediately leave their home state for the west coast, New York City or Chicago, you can offer all the tax incentives you want.
The Texas tech exodus is the most meaningful lesson of this moment, doesn't matter how much money you throw at it, you still have to get people to live there. This is why the west coast still endures as the heart of all media production from film to video game development, just as all railroads are built around Chicago.
It's because Isolating yourself from an industry hotspot is moronic for both the company and the people
Companies will always have to pay for travel fees for serious in person meetings for deals between companies. Smaller networks is just bad for business in general
People will struggle because you will never have an alternative job that matches your career path in bumfrick Montana so nobody will move there unless they're already tenured there
Hire remote workers. There's a massive market for it.
WFH has been in tech for way longer yet very few practice it wonder why?
Middle management dickheads realized they're useless box tickers instead forced everyone into the office so they can feel important again
Higher ups on the other hand like it because its easier to control people in your property
Working remotely also reduces cybersecurity significantly so amateurs that annoy people to get into slack channels like the GTA 6 leaker can do significant hiccups in development
You really couldn't avoid it in 2020-2021 (The time Spiderman 2 was developed) so they worked from home and didn't beef up security for costs reasons
Insomniac is full remote
I dont know what to say then. Maybe they're still paying SF wages for remote work? Usually there's a pay cut for remote work, but I guess optimizing costs isn't a priority for them and/or people just pocketing a lot of the budget. Otherwise, I can't see how they're spending that much money. I'm thinking it might be more of the latter.
>Maybe they're still paying SF wages for remote work?
Of course they are, video games is a field where if you know your shit you'll be paid way less and work more than any other computing field. If you start lowering salaries then, you'll lose out on core people.
our offices are in LA and Durham... and our wages change based on the CoL depending on where we are actually located. The cost isn't that crazy when you consider the size of the team, time, benefits, etc. Sony is paying out far more than our base wage for each employee. That's the reality of AAA game development, think we're bad? Just try and imagine GTA6
's budget.
Source?
Not him, but why are you asking for a source? What could that possibly do for you? How do you plan to add that information to your life? You've literally wasted your own time as well as precious bandwidth other people could have put to better use.
>You've literally wasted your own time as well as precious bandwidth other people could have put to better use.
Source?
codemonkies and artists do not make that much money
all the best
maybe stop hiring based on diversity and instead do merit based hiring, there I solved your "growing" problem
oh wait the israelite wouldnt like that solution lol
was he talking about the size of the studio or about the colour of their skin? Was it naiive of me to assume he meant its crazy how big even a "new" studio is?
i bet that israelite regrets letting the mask slip on that post
hasnt done it since
just make smaller games
>500 people working for 5 years to make spider man 2
Rofl. I wonder what the profit rate would be if they took that money and instead made 300 million dollars worth of random small "indie-tier" games. It definitly be more of a shotgun approach with a lot of failures, but but if a few do well you might come out ahead, rather than big AAA games where if it flops you just burned all your money and are screwed
This is fake news designed to make people accept high prices. Less than 1% of staff at all AAA studios make six digits. Entry level at game development studios is 40k-50k, and the only people who make over 100k are senior software engineers (irreplaceable) and upper management. Middle management is lucky to breach 80k.
>t. Software engineer at an actual company that handles confidential hospital software that makes six digits and regularly tells game dev friends to get a real fricking job.
homie you got to be working in europe for salaries that low, even for gamedev
On glassdoor i see starting salaries for over 120k for SWE at blizzard
itd be nice if aaa became unprofitable, let the nerds and autists take over again. ai shit will keep the tech powerful and fresh.
there has to be 2 HR managers for every 1 game developer
now explain why it took 500 people 5 years to make an asset flip
a israelite caught lying again, what a surprise
>israelite have no idea how budget work
thats a fist, what kind of moron assume the entire budget is for people salary
sounds like they're paying people to not work by not planning properly
>yeah music guy just sit and wait and get paid until we show you the next level to design music for
>happy holidays
I'll say this on pride month
>tfw 20,000 annual income
Like, you how it's hard for some people to fathom the difference between 1 million and 1 billion? That's how hard it is for me to fathom a six figure income
most people make little money. stop comparing yourself to social media and find happiness in life or start killing rich people for stealing from you every day
you should be able to net 50k anon
can you see yourself netting 50k in 2 years?
Where the frick do you live? My pay is considered shit where I live, and make $39,520 gross.
>gross
well you dont have to br mean about it…
The fact that use gross speaks to where you live. The only relevant metric for a human is net.
>20k
you cant live anywhere in the first world with that. sorry rajeesh
NTA but I lived in Philadelphia for awhile with less then that.
I made around 16k in texas for two years, granted i have a cheap rent
>Tfw I live on $15k a year NEETbux in Denmark
Either you're working minimum wage part-time here in California or you're working in a place where both col and minimum wage are low. If you're living in the latter and complaining, then you're just a Black personhomosexual.
>mfw my first job was 6 figures (ok more like 80k) and it still feels I'm not making enough to live comfortably
inflation fricking sucks
>first job
>80k
>complain
Holy frick, my first job was half that and I managed to figure out how to live within my means. This comes across as "I don't know how to manage my own finances, and I can't find a way to justify my multi-nightly partying schedule and booze." Which is entitled and irresponsible.
I bust my ass for a lot less than that. You are probably spending a lot of money on shit you don't need without realizing it.
have a nice day
you're extremelyprivileged top 0.1% WORLD
You have to realize that you and the the $120k people have the same budgets after they pay off their debts and rent and insane cost of living
Amerigolems don't know how good they're having it.
I have 16k annual salary
bro i make 60k in nyc. i cant even afford to rent my own place let alone buy a house. most people are poor as shit now anyways.
he is such a repulsive israelite
>schreier
There are people who unironically support game unions and think being a game dev is tough, they're struggling out there. 120k in an air conditioned office, this is basically slavery for a disaffected elite like me. Don't they know how superior i am to everyone
they don't make 120k, that's just the average cost of employment
>500 people
>games get worse
I see the problem right here
where did the money go?
the hundreds of people working on the game for 5 years
Why did it take hundreds of people 5 years to make a sequel that didn't really add anything new?
what do you mean? the game didn't have any new content?
because even if most of the team isnt doing anything yet, they still have to pay them. Otherwise you can fire them and rehire them again like they did a few decades ago but that results in core people leaving the company over time.
Don’t companies have to pay insurance and other fees for their employees? So an employee making $50,000 a year is costing the company $100,000 to employ. That’s why boss man gets mad when you glance at your phone or take too long in the bathroom.
california is also extremely expensive so it's not like 120k a year would make you rich anyway. it's like saying you're a trillionaire because you have a trillion zimbabwe dollars
The cost of employing someone is more than just their salary
Schreier is a fricking moron. Those are heavily inflated values for gamedev. Maybe if you are a full employee who has been around for several years, sure, but I can almost guarantee most of the people who worked on this game were contractors who were paid significantly less. His cope about "having to be competitive with silicon valley" is absolute horseshit as well, there aren't any companies in the Valley looking for people who only know how to write C# scripts within a game engine. Gamedevs who can do more than that probably aren't going to stick around in the industry, since it's cutthroat as all frick, and there's a constant cycle of fresh faced grads who will put up with grind and a paltry salary in order to work their "dream job".
as a general rule of thumb you take a employees payment and double it to get the cost of that employee for the company.
I wouldn't trust Schreier on that though.
If you take the average cost, you also have to include better payed positions and suddenly the 120k seems like underestimation.
The AAA industry is nearing the edge of the cliff in it's current cycle.
Don't forget these people largely live in expensive areas.
>you earn
No, that's what companies pay, since they have to pay for far more than just your salary. Insomniac are a studio that are constantly working on multiple games at the same time, that staff aren't going to be working on just Spiderman for those 5 years.
>Why are 3rd worlders and europoors so poor
>NOOO STOP PAYING AMERICANS AVERAGE WAGES
Why is Ganker like this?
Companies are moronic for paying devs 120k to type into chatgpt
is not reading any of the thread before posting a reddit thing? because i've been noticing people doing that a lot more lately.
I stopped reading non-OP posts years ago, nothing posted here is worth reading.
captcha: kysss
what if there was a post that corrected whatever moronic thing you were going to say?
yeah, good one, lol
no way senpai
you sound like you have npd
are you moronic?
If you pay peanuts you get monkeys. Game devs could earn twice as much taking their skills to any other industry. It's a chronic problem. The result is you have only the inexperienced and those who couldn't cut it elsewhere, with a few actual skilled people in the mix. Companies need to fight for the skilled people with salaries. That's the 'competitive' part of competitive salary. The bigger issue is clearly their asset reuse pipeline (or lack thereof) if it took them 5 years to do a second game in THE SAME CITY.
>If you pay peanuts you get monkeys.
>implying corps haven't been racing to the bottom for a handful of decades
sarr plz. we just live at the tail of a bad chain.
>500 employees
>who get paid on average 120k/yr
I think I know what the problem is.
That is true. But it only applies to senior staffs.
Junior staffs get lesser than that.
the developers themselves don't get paid $120,000/year. only the voice actors and the diversity/equity consultants do. they might make 120.000 rupees per year but I don't know the going conversion rate between Indian Rupee - Dollar.
They live in America, first world people require first world pay, pajeet.
More like 450 people working for $50,000 and 50 executives on $500,000
Daily reminder that Jason Schreier is an idiot.
No way most probably making more around 70k, 120k would be a really good salary and we know videogames pay like shit unless you're in a high-up position.
I just cant fathom having over a 100 or thousands of devs and development still moves at a glacial pace
imagine if you were cooking a meal and 100 different people had to help slice one onion
Imagine if you were cooking a meal and slicing one onion up would have to be approved by 15 different people first.
>Did you know you earn $120,000/year as a game dev?
I make like 180k
Poor indie, plz understand LMFAO
Impressive. I make $40,000 as a web dev.
Shreier is full of shit, nobody but a handful of department leads and producers make that much money. We're coming off the back of several studios have controversies and people leaking their salaries, the vast majority of regular game devs are making 50-80k, and being in SF doesn't change shit, LA is nearly as bad cost of living and Blizzard had full time payrolls as low at 41k
that 120k/y doesn't even include our bonuses, which can be very substantial. also, we don't crunch lol making capeshit is easy
Why do you guys hate Peter?
why bunny so eepy
You dont need 500 people to make a game.
Anon the guy driving a forklift, welding or holding a stop sign at roadworks also makes 120k/yr
Because $120,000 isn't enough to get me to live in California, not even considering the insane cost of living sucking up all that money.
>Happy Holidays! - ~~*Jashon Schreier*~~)
huh
The issue isn't the salary per person, but the volume of people coupled with span of time. The Spiderman game for the PS4 is a great game, but nothing about it visually or technically says that it needed 500 people, 5 years of dev time, and needed $300 million dollars to make. Its all organizational bloat to justify roles that serve no meritorious value to the company or to the game or the player.
The numbers reported would seem to indicate or imply a BioWare/Anthem situation all over again, where a lack of clear vision led to the game being reinvented a several times, until the budget increased in a way that shareholders started asking questions to Sony and Sony started asking questions to Insomniac, and that snowball led to the release of the game.
If you had told me that Spiderman had a team of 150 people working for 3 years and it cost $150M to make, I'd have said, that sounds a little steep but believable. But its literally twice that and the game doesn't change the paradigm of gaming in the way that Crysis did. Genuine what the frick.
The only way to reduce costs is to fire people or lower salaries. Which isnt viable if you wanna see games being made. Otherwise you can just give a smaller team more time to make their game while you earn your revenue elsewhere which isnt sustainable for Sony since they have no GAAS games and have to rely on first party games to keep paying their developers.
It feels like the industry has entered into a core meltdown phase where shitty leadership coupled with scope creep and lack of vision to execute has led to ballooning workforce and budget, which is leading executives to make every game a GaaS offering to keep up with this absurd inflation on all fronts. But that GaaS has a saturation threshold that's reaching quicker and quicker with each new game release. Which leads to games needing to be made faster, with more people, with greater budgets to get it out faster, and the feedback loop leads to total collapse.
But rather than telling Dyatlov to frickoff and follow the god damn manual, everybody is too busy looking at each other going "3.6 Rontgen. Not bad, not great."
>which is leading executives to make every game a GaaS offering to keep up with this absurd inflation on all fronts. But that GaaS has a saturation threshold that's reaching quicker and quicker with each new game release
It doesnt exist, there are more and more games getting new audiences and becoming the next big thing over and over again. Sony's problem is that they have ZERO GAAS games which results in them facing immense issues that other dont. Meanwhile Nintendo and Microsoft has multiple massively successful GAAS games which helps fund their games so they dont really need to rush their dev teams which lower costs over time.
They own Destiny and Bungie. Granted, that's a low bar and seems to be imploding; so I guess?
$300 million is ballpark the combined budgets of every SNES game ever made, and certainly more than the combined budgets of every game made before 1990 for any platform. If hiring fewer people wasn't viable, video games wouldn't exist.
Inflation exists you know?
That’s a crazy fact.
True but that still means 3 Spider-Man’s cost more to develop than every snes game ever.
>The Spiderman game for the PS4 is a great game
>The feel when your country's prime minister earns less than a person making a small part of a video game.
If he was an actual "journalist" worth his weight, he would've seen by now that total employee salary cost was $223 mil, not the entire $300m, and that the headcount peaked at 264, not the entire company of 480
What a useless shithead
>he still supports California made games
>he has a game dev studio on the west coast
lmao
Don't delude yourself into thinking that's an average salary. Only a simpleton would think you just need to divide the budget with the number of employees. Department heads and managers always make the most and the people that work for them always make peanuts. There are also other costs besides salary.
Also, putting (a conservative estimate) isn't an excuse to be overly reductive.
That's it ?!?!!?!!!
The frick. I make more
Because I make more money doing the same type of work working in business development instead.
because I can make the same amount maintaining banking software for a fraction of the work involved
I basically do nothing all day from home and no one cares
no mandatory overtime
no working weekends
it's easy street the whole way
Ok
we don’t need equipment and game can be developed in normal PC with many years
We don’t need working place and everyone is remote-working now
We don’t need finance our debt because shareholders have unlimiTed money.
That's just the cost of the employees.
There's also building costs, computers, janitors, water, electric, paying off investors, and let's not forget those hard working executives at the publishing company that need a new yacht every year because damn it if the Jones family gets one every year then so should I.
The actual development costs of the game is rather miniscule.
This. Do people think a gaming company is filled with only devs?
Yeah because all these things are manipulated for /v arguments: Sony is doomed and gaming is tucked
how many of those frickwits were just HR diversity hires who contribute absolutely nothing to the game? in fact they most certainly actively detract from the game.
Remember when Jason Schreier tried to get some cred by saying "I knew about the Blizzard sexual harassment for YEARS and this guy just got ahead of me by publishing this article about it."
Then when people started asking him why he didn't tell people sooner, he deleted the tweet?
only like 30 people did actual work. game companies have too many bullshit jobs
Because you earn 285k a year writing boring ass business accounting software and it's functionally the same work as game programming.
Maybe they should have less people working on one game and lots of smaller groups of people working on lots of different games.
so Sony flood market with mid-size games with occupy gamers’ time and money, while 3rd party get nothing. Why /v is obsessed with Sony first party time.Sony is publisher.
I'm not going to bother responding to an ESL.
Frick Twitter posts but this one actually has a point. Hmm.
why do you need 500 people to make a video game? AAA gaming was a mistake
I do think with AI we will see a real Indy renaissance.
The solution is make smaller games but that doesn't get investors PP hard. Remember that guy at Nintendo who complained why is Nintendo talking about games at their shareholder meetings?
anyone remember how much stuff cost in 2005?
I was only 1, anon.
damn, you didn't get to experience the first 1 gigahertz computer or the first dual core home computer
Maybe don't pay 500 people a 120k salary to make one fricking game per 5 years?
The real question is how did 2018's Spider-Man for the PS4 cost a mere 80m but Spider-Man 2 cost 315m. Where did all that extra money go?
>took 500 people on bay area salaries to take an existing game and replace a likeable protagonist with big and niglet spray painting poems about racism and age up the model of a white woman by 30 years
and I didn't even buy it
>technically
Frick off back to lebbit and stay there. You will never be a woman.
I literally am, I just make 85k instead, but I live in a super cheap country so its like I´m rich
>Trans women are technically men. You are what you're born as.
They technically aren't since it's not their gender.
Gender is subjective. Biology isn't. If they want to use the bathrooms they can, it's not my problem and I have nothing against them. But at the end of the day you can't change your characteristics that are determined by genetics.
Good I'm happy being a man.
Gender isn't a real thing. It the invention of a crackpot scientist and dates back only a few decades. They started pushing the term hard in the '90s, but boomers at the time were old enough to know that it was a complete misuse of the word, as it originally referred to the masculinity/femininity of language.
Gender being subjective doesn't change anything though since "woman" is a gender role and "woman" is their gender.
making a lot of money is moronic if you have to work so much you never get to use it
It does not 500 people to make a game.
According to the credits at the end, it takes a thousand.
This is what happens when venture capitalists think their casual interest in games can lead to profit. They throw as many people as possible at a problem and think it will create the best solution. But creating a video game is not an economy of scale, and adding more people only adds more red tape and middle managers. It would be more cost effective to have a smaller team on the development side than what most triple A devs are doing right now.
Maybe, you are making some strong assertions about the 300 million dollar question absolutely every studio is thinking about.
I don’t think there’s any easy answers. What I don’t understand is why these studios don’t reuse all the work. After 300 mil you think you could pump out a Majoras mask sequel at 50 million 2 times before having to start over.
Reuse work? No one will going to work for a company that fires half their employees after every game because they decided that they are going to reuse their assets.
>No one will going to work for a company that fires half their employees after every game
That's most game companies though
Triple A devs are constantly working on something, and shuffling around devs like trading cards to different internal teams.
The gaming industry as a whole, AAA included, has higher employee turnover and churn than other adjacent industries in media or tech. It's not uncommon for companies to let go of dozens if not hundreds of people after the game releases.
You just solved my riddle, thanks. Still, I’m surprised the industry isn’t all contract based.
>cost effective to have a smaller team on the development side
show us how smaller teams can have better ROI. Have /v knew how does the business run? I doubt any bank will gaming studios any money because no one know whether their next games will crash. So shareholders demand high return because of enormous risk.
Valheim was made by 5 people. Undertale, 1. Hollow Knight, 3. Risk of Rain 2, 3. This obsession with graphics is a blight on gaming. Surely you can still make triple A games with less than 20 people. GTA 3 was made by like 20 people, Vice city was 50, and San Andreas like 75.
You cant expect to just keep ballooning this number and expecting it to raise your profits. The most important part of making a game, is making sure the game is actually fun. Not how many people you have texturing the underside of a car you might look at in passing once in your 20 hour playthrough.
You mentioned games that are cult classics out of thousands of games that come out every year. Are you moronic? Not every game can be as good as those and it takes a lot of time, money and expertise otherwise to make good games.
Yeah, and those thousands of garbage games that come out every year deserve to fail, Anyone with a three digit IQ can make a game, very few can actually make good games. If hiring 500 people enables companies to let average people make video games that aren't complete garbage, it's not something I particularly want either.
Yea people like you is why mid tier games all died.
>Surely you can still make triple A games with less than 20 people.
All of your gta examples are from 3 generations ago. A game made at that scope and scale would not be considered AAA today nor would it sell nearly as many copies
It's a textbook case of "Revealed preference": Gamers love to say graphics don't matter, but every time a $60 game comes out and doesn't have good facial animations or water reflections or whatever it gets picked apart and shredded to death over it. People say they don't need graphics then shit on AAA games for having bad graphics and end up selling poorly.
This is why a giant vidya industry is unsustainable. The industry grew too big because demand kept increasing, and demand will never decrease as long as the human population keeps increasing and more people become customers. We are fast approaching the breaking point.
Ocarina of Time took 50 people to make.
>the video game industry grows less sustainable every year
nonsense, indie games work off of shoestring budgets and it's easier than ever for a single person to put together a game if they dedicate themselves to it. Maybe AAA game devs might be unsustainable, but game dev as a whole is not
120k/yr is believable for a good programmer with a couple years experience, but no fricking way are the low levels getting paid near that amount, let alone the artists. Gamedev pays its programmers less than basically any other industry.
>out of touch boomer morons think anyone in creative arts is making anything above 60K a year
wake the frick up, morons, you might be lucky to make 45K as a texture artist or some shit
Weird. I made 70k right out of school working on textures for a triple A studio in 2014.
So you make around 110k now?
I do art consultancy now and make anywhere from 130k to 300k a year depending on contracts.
>art consultancy
Ok what do you ACTUALLY do that deserves a salary like that
I don't particularly think I deserve that much, but its what companies pay me to go through their shit and critique it and offer suggestions. I personally love my job.
>deserves
Oh brother nobody tell him
>$120k a year
>these people have audacity to complain about crunches
Game devs make less then that since the cost of employing a person is quite a bit more than just their salary.
no one here is getting 120k a year
mfw EU
mfw rent is like 1.2k
yeah frickers
if id earn 120k a fricking year id be living like a king
>inb4 rent in san fran or ny is like 4k a month
L MA O
and this is why making an AAA game is way cheaper in europe. Like Alan Wake 2 is like only 80 million due to lower costs of living.
it's even cheaper in india/pakistan
This is why Sony is brilliant, they are the only ones investing heavily in indian developers right now unlike MS and Nintendo.
Good morning sir... Microsoft is probably outsourcing their whole game development to India. Halo, Forza, etc
I make 140k a year hauling oil in an 18 wheeler and am home every night in rural texas. Step it up senpai.
cost of living?
Rural Texas? He probably pays rent in cans of beans.
I'm paying 2k a month on my mortgage, and I go out to eat way too fricking much, but I save more money than I know what to do with. I'm probably just going to pay off my house.
Are you just paying 2k a month in your mortgage or is your minimum payment 2k?
It's all relative really.
I have a friend who still rents while making a bit over 100k, meanwhile I another i know makes a bit more than half that but owns their townhouse and it's all because they live in different areas living different lifestyles.
>500 120k/yr developers at fricking insomniac
>Jason Shnozzer
Here’s your (You) but I’m not engaging further with this shit.
Why the frick would I be a game dev
I make more than a gaming dev code monkey by being a code monkey for a company that does gov and business contracting
How did we go from this...
...to this?
I know man, I know, LOL. I don’t know if it was giving the turd worlders the internet or Russian shills brainwashing all the losers into a poltarded cult.
I miss talking about video games to.
So true sis
Have you ever talked to your own parents about all your political thoughts. Do you think they would be proud of there son if they knew what you spouted all day. Are your parents discord trannies?
>he doesn't crack open a cold one and shit talk liberals with his old man
You failed at life
You never had a chance. Well, enjoy wasting your youth shadow boxing on a gaming website. WAY better than getting a degree, having a gf, or enjoying videogames. You sound like a real winner, and not a poor genetic dead end loser NPC, who froths at whatever his poltard handlers tell him to, LOL.
I'm married dummy
>has this shit saved to his hard drives
>thinks he isn't part of the problem
>discord troony pretending to be oldgays
You're not fooling anyone.
Said the election tourist from reddit pretending to be oldgay
>election tourist
You've instantly outed yourself as a newhomosexual. Literally only redditors use that term, and you are hereby banished back there, you troony homosexual piece of shit.
As for me, I've been here since 2008. I was here when moot added the image cooldown in 2009. I was here for modcat and MD Geist. Don't try to bullshit someone who was actually here.
You're not fooling anyone tourist lmao
>redditor posting le reddit
What did moot set the image cooldown to in 2009? Oh, you don't know? THEN FRICK OFF BACK TO LEBBIT AND STAY THERE. The term "election tourist" is an invention of redditors as a pathetic attempt to sound like an oldgay and try to turn Ganker left. But Ganker has had the exact same values since its inception:
>free speech
>irreverence
>rejection of political correctness
Leftism is not compatible with any part of Ganker whatsoever.
WHAT COLOR WAS MOOT'S UNDERWEAR DURING PROJECT CHANOLOGY
who do you think you're fooling?
Always funny to see rightoid election tourists parrot that Ganker is "Free speech" while screeching at you to leave and telling you you're not allowed to post here. Cry more.
You're just outing yourself and proving my point. There is no such thing as an "election tourist" except for the people who say "election tourist." It's a false narrative created by redditors, to try to fool newbies into believing that rightwing opinions are foreign here, when it's the exact opposite.
Ganker will never be leftist or even centrist. Ever. This site is solely and wholly built on the values of freedom of speech and a complete rejection of progressivism in all its forms. People here want to enjoy attractive female characters, classic heroes, big breasts, racist humor, and everything else you deem problematic and regressive.
>NOOOO YOU DONT UNDERSTAND THIS IS THE OFFICIAL POLITICAL IDEOLOGY OF Ganker!!!
Are tourists even aware that Ganker used to be an anime imageboard for autists to talk about their niche hobbies? There was no "official Ganker political position".
>tourists
Stop reading there.
lol if you think that Ganker was created for politics then you are absolutely a newbie
Ganker's founding principle is freedom of speech, which is solely an American conservative belief.
based disingenuous leftist with years old images
You must be over 18 to post on Ganker
The board hasn’t changed at all, the memes have. Get over it moron.
>no dude Ganker used to talk about politics all the time in 2006
You will never be an oldgay.
You're not fooling anyone reddit.
Prove it. Find a single thread from before 2008 on Ganker filled with rants about how Happy Holidays is anti white and israelites trying to take away Christmas.
Protip: you can't.
you're talking to people who think that moot is a conservative who created Ganker to be a website to discuss conservative politics
are leftists moronic?
Based
Cringe
This is exactly what I would say if I were contard election tourist who got banned from Reddit. Thanks for proving my point and outing yourself
This really upset them, good job!
Frick off back to r-eddit and stay there.
Just wanted to chime in and say I had a kek at Ganker and /lgbt/ looking exactly the same, because that much is actually true.
>we
Yes, we
has gaming peaked?
It's funny that you think that
120k a year is what they give "developers" while they cycle through interns and new hires.
Never asked for any of that. A $310,000,000 that sucks isn't of interest of me. I spend most of my time playing games that are more than a decade old or micro-budget VR shit.
Isn't 10k in the US it's OK salary for a Californian? I remember how Tim Shaffer explain where Kickstarter money went, and 10k revenue for San Francisco devs was the main part
Dumb esl poster
It is a documented fact that the radical have been using as a euphemism to avoid having to say "Merry Christmas." This is a documented fact, and you know that it is a documented fact. Any arguments from you are a performance to try to fool people into believing what you know is false.
I hate that fricker so much, and it’s absolute jealousy. Absolute garbage human being worth 300 million and has the hottest wife ever. Evil pays.
>$120,000/year
More like the bosses making 800k/year and the actual devs making 60k/year
120k/y is absolutely way too much to pay for morons who made this fricking game.
>christians used to celebrate a whole bunch of winter holidays
>said happy holidays in reference to all of them
>americans somehow forget about all the holidays other than christmas
>now they're upset whenever anyone says happy holidays and claims they're being anti-christian by saying happy holidays instead of merry christmas
Clown world. Truly.
?
just pay devs less
the devs are indians so they can get paid $20k a year and they;ll be happy
Maybe it's because i worked in old fashion industries for my whole life, but i've never been hit with "happy holidays" often and even when someone says it, everyone else goes "thanks you too".
I honestly did now know people ever took offense from hearing someone say happy holidays or merry christmas.
>ctrl+f "market"
>3 results
Games wouldn't have such inflated budgets if marketing frickheads didn't blow the bank so hard and then have some smooth-talking sleazeball who bought half the managerial team dinner step up and say the only reason a game sold so well is due to marketing.
Depends on the studio.
I was offered to earn 35,000/year at PDX's Stockholm office.
>Did you know you earn $120,000/year as a game dev?
because that's a terrible salary for any programmer outside of gamedev, even outside California
About to finish up my software engineering degree bros, should I bother getting a certificate in machine learning or something similar?
Starshit cost 200 million without marketing
How do I join one of these companies that has 200 million dollars to pay me and my 499 other buddies
>without marketing
The game had a frickton of marketing. What?
>120k
>non stem
send that shit to vietnam
Because I make more than that.
>no way they're paying 120k
>$120k
>conservative estimate
I never wanna hear another American complain that they're poor ever again. Frick you.
moron, read the thread. Twittertard is wrong, devs get 50-60k a year and the rest of the budget goes elsewhere
I make more than that and don't have to work nearly as hard as a game dev does (no extra hours or crunch time). no thanks.
hello drivers
ok I make more than drivers as well. not going to say what i do.
so just outsource gaming development into Jap. it sounds like a good plan, right?
>trannies LITERALLY start breaking down crying and shitting their pants when the cashier says "merry christmas"
I want richgays OFF my fricking board NOW
Jason Schreier is cringe but I don't see how he's wrong here. The way games are currently developed is unsustainable.
I fricking hate this schreier dude like you wouldn't believe, he seems completely insufferable irl. The kind of c**t you would immediately move away from if he happens to sit next to your table in a restaurant
All the radical left inherently know how to do is lie and obfuscate. Every waking moment they live in terror that their side of the political spectrum will look bad in front of fence-sitters, so they go to the ends of the earth, pretending to believe things they don't believe and arguing things they know are false. To be a left wing radical is to lie every waking moment of your life.
Tucker is so much of a grifter even Fox booted him
You are a tourist
leftists dont have politics, they just do whatever to spite "da chuds". they think about them all day
See
You can put on this minstrel dance all you want, but you're not fooling a single person here.
>politics
>in a thread about why in the world would a videogame need a budget rivalling a Pirates of the Caribbean film, especially when that videogame is generally seen as inferior to its predecessor and the developers have worked in much MUCH worse conditions in the past
leftists started seething uncontrollably about "merry christmas" of all things, they cant handle the slighest bit of political stress at all
try reading the first posts in the thread, morono, it was started by idiots seething over a fricking israelite saying happy holidays
Ok but can we talk about videogame?
Like, Insomniac made one of the unofficial mascots for the PS1 and made the unofficial mascot for the PS2, so what the hell happened with Spider-Man?
Someone insulted San Francisco and the left flocked to defend their tribute to India.
>Either white Christians win
You're not white.
>mfw pos spidey game has bigger budget than a gta5
Why are lefties so bothered by people saying Merry Christmas?
He says in a thread full of rightoids seething over people saying "Happy Holidays" instead.
Merry Christmas!
u2 buddy
Seriously the happy holidays bullshit only started appearing on mainstream news in the last 4 years its actual bait you homosexuals are taking
see
you can keep tagging yourself nobody is gonna take your moronic cope as fact
Happy Holidays 🙂
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BIDENMAN SAVE MEEEEEEEEEEEEE
We need to vote for Trump to save Christmas
This salary is not only programmers but also all the useless dead weight at the art department and writing. Insomniac is basically robbing Sony.
Did he seriously just infer that the entire budget was employee salaries? I thought israelites were supposed to be smart
120k a year in Cali might as well be minimum wage
Most of the hard work was outsourced to india. Where is schreiker getting his info? From his pussy?
Where are you getting your info?
Libtards don't want to admit that globalization was good for them since they did 0 work besides post on social media while Rajesh and Singh had to work 80 hour weeks to meet their deadlines. Spiderman games wouldn't exist without outsourcing.
>Spiderman games wouldn't exist without outsourcing.
that's like saying that cotton wouldn't exist if slaves didn't pick it. completely moronic
Reminds me of all those tiktok videos of female tech employees that did 0 work while eating, exercising, and going on meetings to showcase their regular "work" day.
One of the best ways to raise your heart rate is by watching those videos. Women gave no self-awareness of how obnoxious they are.
That Indian Spiderman from the last spiderverse movie was a shout out to all the Indians that worked on the game.
If I reply to my post where I say my post is objectively true and documented fact then my post is indisputable and historical fact and I can just cite my own post as proof that what I say is objectively true and historical fact.
>Source: dude trust me
>Also, several U.S. chain retailers, such as Walmart, Macy's, and Sears, have experimented with greeting their customers with "Happy Holidays" or "Season's Greetings" rather than with "Merry Christmas".[73][74]
The expression "the War on Christmas" has been used in the media to denote Christmas-related controversies.[63] The term was popularized by conservative commentators such as Peter Brimelow and Bill O'Reilly beginning in the early 2000s.[64][65][66]
Brimelow, O'Reilly and others claimed that any specific mention of the term "Christmas" or its religious aspects was increasingly censored, avoided, or discouraged by a number of advertisers, retailers, government sectors (prominently schools), and other public and secular organizations. As the egalitarian term "holidays" gained popularity, some Americans and Canadians denounced that usage as a capitulation to political correctness.[14][15][16]
Cause I earn about as much as a government employee who does maybe a half hour of actual work in an eight hour shift while also getting tons of leave I abuse and holidays off.
posts le reaction face
120m licensing fees
Marketing
Overpaid onions sipping cuckifornia devs
It adds up pretty quick
it's literally the same two leftist raiders with the exact same posts and writing styles every thread. it's embarrassing
You can put on this minstrel dance all you want, but you're not fooling a single person here.
You can put on this minstrel dance all you want, but you're not fooling a single person here.
lol I mindbroke you
youre the one spamming the same thing over and over, im giving you a taste
>no u
Yep you're mindbroken. I'm just laughing at you. It's not a big deal
im thinking you lost this thread. go back to the discord to regroup
Sounds like what you're doing.
>This site is solely and wholly built on the values of freedom of speech
>Literally only redditors use that term, and you are hereby banished back there.
>Ganker's founding principle is freedom of speech, which is solely an American conservative belief.
>Frick off back to lebbit and stay there. You can no longer post here ever again.
Oh how embarrassing.