Why the frick are so many new models monopose?
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Why the frick are so many new models monopose?
Why the frick are so many new models monopose?
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You get less value out of each kit so you have to buy more. There used to be a time where if you got enough kits, you could even start building your own marines out of the scraps you had between them. But now they want to control that. The thing I hate most about primaris is how hard it is to make each member of a squad feel Unique. I hate the new Company Command squad because they're so little room to customize them compared to the old one. Pic related.
Primaris are pretty limited when it comes to customization, yeah. Luckily the HH stuff is far easier to convert, so despite still being monopose, they have a degree of flexibility to them that aren't present in primaris models.
The new HH infantry, while being less poseable than before is still very easy to kitbash, or repose with a bit of greenstuff work. Meanwhile, half the primaris stuff makes even a headswap a pain and/or looks like its doing a raindance on a tactical rock.
Old HH were better for kit bashing.
>There used to be a time where if you got enough kits, you could even start building your own marines out of the scraps you had between them
No you couldn't, you always lacked extra legs, the only ones you could get were the kneeling ones and there was a single one in just a couple of kits out of the whole marine range. So like a couple of extra marines out of a whole army.
The most pathetic part is now they sell "upgrade kit" for $60 with all the extra options that used to come in the box. Worse still is that GW paypiggies will continue to pay and support it
I only buy fricking recasts for upgrades now. I can handle a bit more flash and mold scars if It means I play a reasonable price for all the shoulder pads I want.
Based! Love the middle hammer marine. I only play using my old minis. I've had such a backlog of miniatures for a decade so now instead of buying new minis I just work on all my old ones. Sometimes I'll strip and repaint an army i painted years ago that looks like ass.
Thanks. The way the marines are built are my favourite way to construct them. It drives me up a wall that I can't swap out the chest plates on Primaris marines. I just want one of them to have a blood drop in the middle of their Aquilia.
Seeing as firstborns are getting old yeller:ed. What are some good resellers that still stock them?
Dark miniatures will not be getting rid of the firstborn range and they are, all things considered quite cheap. but they are in russia meaning there is some difficulty getting them over here. Most other recasters seem to not sell assault marines
buying from DM was one scary ass experience, the hoops I had to jump through to pay them, but I did get my guys and the price was good
How long did it take for them to progress from "Preparing to ship"?
i dont remember, like a long ass time. took like 3 months for the order to arrive iirc
GW has never forgiven life for the Chapterhouse lawsuit and will never stop fricking hobbyists for it
It’s ironic because making the models less customizable and reducing extra bits has pushed me into 3D scanning and sculpting.
same here
Look James what you could sell to me instead of me making it for myself.
You do your own 3D scanning?
Define monopose
It's plastic, a knife and a bit of green stuff is all you need to modify them to what you want. Try going back to the days of metal monopose.
Metal at least had a variety of loadouts and poses from blister packs
You have to do model work to make your model
That's true, but there's no denying it used to be easier. Some more leg options would be appreciated at the very least.
A model that is push to fit.
Those are two different things. Push-fit models are always monopose, but most (if not all) modern kits prioritize dynamic posing over customization, so if you don't want to cut up your models too much, your units will always be in the same poses with only minor variation.
because GW does not want you making conversions any more. Conversions might use... THIRD PARTY BITS! Those scare GW
This. GW just wants to get rid of the competition and kill third party bit sellers. You are only allowed to use official GW upgrade sprues
Sculptors are trannies that want all minis to look like acrobats. That's why they keep releasing shitty minis for AoS skirmish games.
Those are monopose models from a launch box. GW manages to cram 5 of these to a single sprue. Normally with previous editions, GW has followed a pattern of having these monopose models restricted to starter boxes and selling stand-alone multipart kits that have much more options and bits.
Think of the monopose Assault Intercessors of 9th edition, and their standalone box later. Or the Gutrippaz orc dudes from AoS 3e.
This is the first time GW has broken the pattern. Kinda. I think they're selling these monopose Infernus dudes as part of company policy to have all models available outside of starter kits, but oof, these guys aren't the best. It's just 5 monopose guys to a sprue. Mind you, there's not a lot you can do with the concept of, "they just all have flamethrowers."
GW seems to have instead made multi-part kits of the models they actually love from the Leviathan box, Sternguard Veterans and Terminators.
Unpopular opinion, but I prefer the variety of 10+ completely different poses than ability to glue torsos and arms at slightly different angle to the same squatting legs.
Forgot the pic
I think there's a balance point, I like the new chaos marines and HH marines where the body and legs are one monopose part, but the arms and heads and whatnot are all independent. That lets you get a good """dynamic""" look, without sacrificing bits box quality.
You're clearly not an Ork player. Those models work well the first 10-man squad. After that it gets painfully repetitive painting the same models 1-3+ more times depending on how much you want to commit to the green tide. Vs. the older models which were far easier to kitbash or hell even just build in a different way. Makes the army look far better as a result and is infinitely more fun to build/paint. The new models just ain't right and proppa Orky.
>The new models just ain't right and proppa Orky.
This is interesting to me, I have heard a lot of praise from them in my store
What would you say went wrong and when did you notice it, most of the Ork players in my area are post COVID so I would appreciate your take
GW still sells the old boyz box, I don't think it happened before
I see, the lack of customisation built in the sprues does make it too rigid if you want to tell a story with your horde especially given that the old option was as easy to explore as you said, I was always told Orks were like a playground for kitbashig and I can understand why with that little story
Most of the people I know were over the moon with the squigs and the content of the recent boxes but they are all new or returning players after the Ork kit drought that made some units very hard to get, they aren't as artistic since they are beginning in a sense and seem to appreciate rolling lots of dice more than painting
Thanks I think I get it now
The models on their own are mostly good, isolated I actually rather enjoy the new Beast Snagga Boyz and to a lesser extent the normal Boyz. They have lost a bit of silly Ork charm some of the older models had but are mostly good. For me what makes em not proppa Orky like is how rigid they are. This applies both to the work required to actually kitbash them properly as well as the options allowed within each individual set.
One of my very first Ork models and still a favorite of mine to this day was a Boy I made from my first Boy kit. I took the hat head, the chainsword, and the human head to create an "Ork Chef". Decapitated head in one hand, Bloody Chainsword in the other, and painted to look like he's wearing a white apron. A pretty simple concept but being able to actually play around with the bits to really personalize your boyz is that extra touch that really made the building and painting process fun for me. That's not even getting into all the other Ork kits that are practically interchangeable with boyz bits, allowing you to kitbash to your green little hearts content. Every model can be built in a different way to convey a different concept, and that's crucial especially when building up a hoard army where you'll be building a ton of basic infantry.
Vs. the monopose orks where it takes a good amount more effort to properly kitbash and Gork forbid you just build them as is. Building and painting the same thing over and over and over again. Orks aren't mindless Necron Warriors, hell they aren't even guardsmen who generally have some level of army wide/unit wide cohesion. Orks ideally are one of the most spor(e)adic 40k factions, and while it was easy and infinitely rewarding to portray that with older models the newer monopose models get incredibly samey and are less rewarding to actually build/paint/admire the end result of.
+1 to this
Nu models are done in cad by people who never made 30 unique boyz, mutants or spiky marinesplus corporate dont rly want you too anymore. Look at old sprues vs new, U could build guardsman/marine with your eyes closed it was this easy but at the same time you had lots of cool bits to make it looks cool and with bit of GS/knife unique. Threre are almost no spare parts nowdays its all attached to main parts and usualy in a way that if you want some cool part you have to cut it out of 2-3 different bits. Thats why older models are superior, if I want to make short work I can but there is plenty of space to make each and every guy your own.
>if you want some cool part you have to cut it out of 2-3 different bits
Have you not seen any not Easy-to-build kits?
>Look at old sprues vs new, U could build guardsman/marine with your eyes closed it was this easy but at the same time you had lots of cool bits to make it looks coo
Literally only thing any of them had is a bunch of moronic pouches, and in space marine case purity seals
U have to be 18 to post on 4c kid. And you have to play this game before 8th to post in this thread. You dont make any of those 2 conditions so go back.
I find the new Ork models to be too "clean" and very cartoon-y. It reminds me if Pixar Studios made a Disney version of Warhammer 40K. The old models were definitely more customizable. But over all had a better representation of that grim dark setting.
>Luv Trukks
>Luv Battlewagons
Yer a git and might as well be a 'umie. Make that shit yourself like a proper ork.
This doesn't make any sense at all. Repetitive squatting legs still remain in new models even with this shitty system where they merge part of a torso, arm and a leg together so they are harder to separate. They are always repetitive even in a single box and problem is magnified if you want to have two squads of those units. This makes clones very obvious.
Older system with completely separate legs, torsos and arms was straight, objectively superior in every single way. And didn't prevent them from making more dynamic poses either. Tau Fire Warrior kit is pretty much perfect, it has a wide variety of different leg poses from running to kneeling and at this same time legs are separate from torsos and those from arms and they are all easy to turn and pose differently.
>And didn't prevent them from making more dynamic poses either
It made everything that wasnt a monopose character look like a dollar store action figure, TAU pathfinders have literally all the same torso, 2 different hand poses, with a couple for granades, binoculars and such
This. it's also actually better for conversions too since it's less you have to sculpt whole sale.
Wrong, I need to be able to twist the torso for a different pose, and to kit bash with another torso without having to saw off the torso.
The new kits are SHIT. Long live seperate torso and legs, the kit is dead.
I usually want to match up different torsos and legs together instead of the pairings being chosen for me
Mainly so they still look like the box and magazine art that attracted the customers.. By playing 40k in a shop with the models you buy, you are agreeing to advertise GW products for them to new potential customers. If the models look like the box and magazine art, customers can instantly recognise the models you are using and purchase them. It's why everything is monopse nowadays, as modifying the standard model, scratchbuilding, proxies or using 3rd party parts are discouraged, because if a customer comes in and sees you playing with an interesting model, but can't buy it because you modified or made it yourself, GW loses out on a sale. It's all sales driven nowadays.
Another factor is that when a new edition drops, the lack of modding skills that GW has encouraged in it's customers now means they are more likely to buy the new models to match the new codex, instead of just modding the old ones to match the new load out each time. GW doesnt want you to have modelling skills or to mod old models, it wants you to consume each new iteration that it continually churns out.
I miss options.
Better question is if they're monopose why the frick aren't they just molded in one piece so you don't need to assemble them yourself?
Cheaper to have a hollow 2 piece than a solid plastic 1 piece.
It's not even Posing that's my issue but rather customizability and inter-set modularity
Save for scouts and terminators every part in a firstborn set is compatible with every other firstborn set.
This even applied to old human set. If you wanted old west themed Imperial guards men you could kitbash using parts from admech
My platonic ideal of wargame would be one in which every single trooper could be customized to some degree
Why did they change it for Primaris?
it even translated across settings. fantasy humans/orcs were compatible bits wise with 40k humans/orks off the top of my head, pretty sure there was more stuff like it, you could literally just apply glue and be ready to go. shit was great
My problem is how many models are standing on a rock now.
>Why the frick are so many new models monopose?
easier on the modelers. no need to worry about joint compatibility
As b***hes get old they all go through monopose.
Dark Eldar don't have this problem. Most of the kits are interchangeable and many of the kits are pretty poseable. Of course homosexual tasteless marine players wouldn't understand this. They're the basic b***h army that needs to be playable and buildable by brainlets so GW has to make them boring and easy.
They don't have that problem because half their roster isn't even for sale anyway.
The dark eldar models that are not for sale by official GW were all metal/resin monopose and not easily poseable.
Because all of their kits are 15+ years old you fricking moronic zoomer. ALL kits were like this prior to 8th edition nuWarhammer
Sorry OP I just looked over at my ogres and fricking laughed at the idea that new models are the only ones that suffer with mono pose issues. Mono pose has been a problem for fricking decades
Honestly I prefer if legs/torsos are stuck together, because it allows for better looking, more dynamic poses in my opinion. Other than that, multi-part customizability all the way. This is why the new horus heresy kits look so much better than the old ones.
The problem were always the leg pose never the torso, an attached torso allows less posing especially for hobbylets.
The only perk of the new HH kits is the scale increase, to get less bits, no special weapons, less grenades and less poses.
I personally think that the improvement in HH models is more on the pose than the scale.
The Space Marine Squat, however iconic, looks like shit.
I see what you're saying about the leg pose being the main culprit, but a dynamic leg pose only looks right if the torso is rotated appropriately.
If the abdominal section of the lower torso is always straight up-down, it's still gonna look off compared to a combined leg-torso piece.
I think both could have their merits, but I only see the issue with the current system if you have 4+ of a specific unit.
Otherwise, there are plenty of head/arm/shoulder variations to keep things fresh.
Many new kits are monopose or easy to build because they are aimed at new modellers, who enjoy mostly enjoy getting an impressive result without much effort.