why the frick can they build this but they can’t build a cheap pc yet?
just give me a god damn gaming pc for $500 that runs like a ps5
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why the frick can they build this but they cant build a cheap pc yet?
why the frick can they build this but they can’t build a cheap pc yet?
just give me a god damn gaming pc for $500 that runs like a ps5
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Every time I recommend a $500 PC build it gets poo-poo'd for not having top of the line parts or at the idea of buying certain parts used.
Cant you still get steam machines?
https://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/valve-steam-box-release-date-news-and-features-1127072
I mean, they aren't making them anymore, so while you technically can from ebay or something they'd be really outdated
hmm i thought maybe there is some company that makes steam machines.
An answer (a bad one) would be to say just make a $500 budget windows build and put steam in big picture mode. A good answer I guess would be to do the same thing and just wait for valve to release a standalone steamOS since currently I don't think it supports regular Linux drivers for it without some frickery (you technically can already do this I think but the driver support is shit since it's really only supposed to be for the steam deck's hardware)
I know that you can currently download steamOS from their website but it looks like its the earlier debian based one instead of arch based OS used in the deck.
Is it really that incompatible with standard linux stuff?
https://store.steampowered.com/steamos
I really don't know the specifics of compatibility, sorry. I'm mostly just telling you second hand knowledge. You could probably ask in Ganker and get a better answer
From a brief yt search it looks like you want HoloOS or whatever it's called. SteamOS is open source so I guess the Linux community has been working on their own fork
>Is it really that incompatible with standard linux stuff?
Yes, it's absurdly outdated, based on Debian 8 (Jessie). The repository here has last been updated in 2019:
https://repo.steampowered.com/steamos/dists/
That means it's lacking basic stuff such as modern Vulkan compliant drivers, most things simply won't work and there are no packages to make it work because Jessie support has also ended several years ago. Of course you could in theory fix it up yourself, but you'd have to rebuild half of the OS.
They could and maybe are working on it rn, but Valve is probably careful considering Steam Machines failure
I mean, steam machines failed because it was a sticker they gave away for manufacturers to plop on top of their computers
I think they learned their lesson with the index and the deck
You know you can just build one yourself, right?
moron you realize that not everyone wants to build a desktop.
>I want X
>well do it yourself
>WAWA I DON'T WANNA I WANT CONSOLE
You realize even a toddler can build one yet you can't and I'm the moron here?
You can either go the optiplex route with whatever GPU you can get or buy a mini PC with a Ryzen CPU with built in graphics and then do the holo method if you really don't want to build anything
As a heads up you cannot use an Nvidia card with holo
I mean I guess technically you can but you shouldn't. Sorry I keep samegayging
It takes about half an hour to throw all the pieces together.
The way you talk about building a PC is like you have to solder the mobo together.
>just give me a god damn gaming pc for $500 that runs like a ps5
Here you go senpai. All new parts:
intel i3 12th gen
H610M mobo
cheapest 2x8GB ram you could find
NVME M2 SSD 1TB
RX 6600
500W PSU
Should run you about 450 bucks.
>RX 6600
The issue with "console-killer PCs" is that low-end GPUs have 8GBs of VRAM. But you need at least 12GB to match consoles, and this means you need to get at least a 6700XT... which is quite a bit faster than a PS5.
Basically, PS5 is a 12GB 6600XT and there's no 1:1 equivalent for desktops.
>But you need at least 12GB to match consoles
Sounds unrealistic to me. Current gen consoles reserve about 2GB for the OS itself leaving 14GB of unified memory for games. If 12GBs of that are used as VRAM, that leaves only 2GB RAM for the rest of the game.
Because if they start selling desktop PCs at cost/loss, companies and governments would start buying them. Remember PS3? Remember how the US Air Force bought thousands of PS3s because they could just install Linux and build a cheap supercomputer?
Also, it wouldn't be relevant for long even among gamers. They'd have to release a newer model every two years or so, because building your own PC with newer parts would become cheaper again.
It depends on the game, 10-12GBs are used as "VRAM" usually. You can get away with 10GB of VRAM in some games on PC, but 12GB is what you need to be sure you'll always be able to match console settings.
But as I said, if you get a 12GB card, the GPU is going to be faster than PS5... and if you get a PS5-equivalent GPU, then you won't have enough VRAM. PS4 was the same, it was a 3GB 7850 basically (only high-end cards had 3GB of VRAM at the time).
So it's not (yet) possible to build a console-killer for the same amount of money, but you can build something faster for $700 or so.
Nintendo Switch dock for the Steam Deck would solve all problems.
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>why the frick can they build this but they can’t build a cheap pc yet?
https://www.amazon.com/GMKtec-K1-Powerhouse-Computer-4-70Ghz/dp/B0C36CNSC7
Here you go, on sale for cheaper than the cheapest Steam Deck ()$379, runs a 12core RDNA2 chip(Deck is 8cu) with 16gb ram and 512gb storage, hooks right up to your TV, can even install Steam OS on it if you want.
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I just got a cheaper less powerful version of one of these for like $180 very recently for use as like a older game player and adblock enabled media player machine and it's fricking great so far, I'm never buying a roku or any of that "media box" type shit ever again but I do worry about how these things cool themselves under heavy load.
You know how the Steam Deck only has a Ryzen APU?
Guess what you can buy as a computer, right now and put holoiso on.
Yep, skipping the discrete GPU and getting an otherwise beefy system is the best bet at a $500 budget.
>holoiso
use ChimeraOS instead, holoiso is not maintained last I checked and has security vulnerabilities
>Security issues
>If you're just using it as a console
Well yeah no shit if you plan on using it as a desktop get a proper OS.
I understand the spirit of what you're saying, however, what I'm asking is why not have both? Why willingly deprive yourself of features when alternatives exist.
We are literally talking about two entirely different use cases
does that boot directly into that "game mode" like the deck or is it just a desktop?
I'm not sure if it boots *directly* into game mode but I'm pretty sure ChimeraOS HAS game mode.
Fellas, forget gamescope/chimeraos/steamos. I have horrible performance issues everytime i tried it over the years. My all amd rig had zero problems wit kde wayland but is a stuttery mess in gamescope. No matter what you do, your framepacing is fricked and it feels worse than a switch. I guess gamescope is still heavily focused on deck hardware and all those people shilling it are used to gnome performance.
>GNOME
>performance
this is bait, it has to be
Learn to read.
Ah shit, you know what, that's my bad, I fricked up reading your post anon, it's like 3 in the morning and I haven't slept yet. Well, addressing the rest of your post, I heard the framepacing issues with gamescope come from gamescope-session specifically. I've been using gamescope on arch linux with an nvidia 3060M which by all accounts shouldn't work considering novideo is ass with wayland most of the time and having blast with it using KDE Plasma. As for your case, apparently doing it the way this dude described in the comments fixes stutter.
When nvidia works, it works. When amd works it starts freaking out halfway during its lifetime.
i wish they did