Not into 40k really but been playing rogue trader, think the models are cool on tabletop and have read some lore and some is cool but frick me literally everything is overly edgy gross or depressing. Literally no hope in its lore...how do people not get bored of the constant misery in its lore. Orks are the only fellas having a good time and they are moronic
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fantasy > 40k > shit > age of basedmar
>too stupid to get the lore
Fantasy and 40k are equal, the rest is correct
>No true scotsman moron with homosexual contrarian opinions
Welcome to 40k
If you claim to be into Warhammer and you don't play the tabletop game, you are cringe, end of story
true but if you claim to be into warhammer and do play the tabletop game you are also cringe
either you don't know what > means or you are using based in a different way than the norm
Heresy Uber Alles
>fantasy > 40k
incredible bait
Does AoS even have any decent stories at this point? As far as I know it was carried hard by its models
Warhammer is a tabletop wargame. The lore has no real depth or emotional nuance, it's an excuse for games to take place and to make cool models
Zoomer secondaries who think Warhammer is about reading lore wikis and the cringiest thing in an already cringy hobby
Straight up pulp fiction to support the game, some of it is pretty cool but yeah it's pulp fiction and that's it.
Warhammer's fiction sucks because of the aforementioned lack of emotional nuance
Trying to humanize the setting makes you realize how stupid and nonsensical it is, not trying to humanize it just leaves you with a boring story
>Warhammer's fiction sucks because of the aforementioned lack of emotional nuance
The frick are you talking about? You can have your emotional nuance from one of the books. And the fiction doesn't suck or else it alone wouldn't be sufficient to get people interested in Warhammer. If anything, the fiction is one of the major pull factors.
The only thing that Warhammer is missing are romance and sex. Guess who wants those things in Warhammer.
The books don’t count!!! You can only go by the table top manuals!!! See there’s no interesting depth or nuance in the characters now!!!
>YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND! IT'S A TABLETOP GAME SO THAT MEANS THE LORE IS SHIT BECAUSE IT'S BAD AND ALSO GARBAGE!
Holy shit, miss me with that /tg/-esque lorelet contrarianism. Black Library has (or had) like what, at least 20 something authors in total with well over 300 books. Hypothetically even if only 20% of those people are talented would still mean a large amount of interesting storytelling. Other than a few dumb examples, even the base setting of 40k has the oxymoronic nature of "absurdity that actually makes sense" so it really isn't that hard to come up with some intriguing lore.
The lore is shit because it's one-dimensional. This works for a tabletop game, it doesn't work for standalone fiction like novels
>The lore is shit because it's one-dimensional
How?
The lore works as a background for the tabletop game, for something to set the scene with art and short stories
But as soon as you try to turn it into something that stands on its own legs like a novel or a tv show it doesn't work, because it only has one emotional tone, grim darkness. You can't depict interesting and compelling characters while still remaining true to the spirit of 40k
t. has never read a book
I have read regular books and 40k books, 40k books are fricking awful
The grim darkness is the framing of the universe, not the general plot. Star Wars is a space opera but that doesn't require the characters to burst out into falsetto mid scene.
Grim darkness is the tone. Space opera is not a tone, it's a genre. There is no canon depiction of any positive emotion in Warhammer lore, which makes it very difficult to tell a proper story in the setting
>There is no canon depiction of any positive emotion in Warhammer lore
It's time to stop pretending you know what you're talking about
I've probably been playing Warhammer since before you were born
No one cares about your rogue trader pulp soup, boomer. Go back and play with your epic scale metal minis with your retiree buddies.
and don't forget to invite me
I said Warhammer not Rogue Trader
>There is no canon depiction of any positive emotion in Warhammer lore
Anon, there are plenty of stories with themes of love, friendship yadda yadda. Ciaphas Cain is the leading exemplar of this truth. The nuance isn't lost just because things generally suck in the 40k verse
Ciaphas Cain is a spin off novel series, it's not part of the core canon, it has a different tone
NO THAT DOESN'T COUNT
I AM RIGHT NOT YOU
Warhammer's core canon is laid out in the rulebooks and codexes by GW. Novelizations are secondary to this, they're officially sanctioned by GW but they have to work within the canonical framework that's already been laid out. These novels have to take their own liberties to turn Warhammer into a fictional setting that you can tell an interesting story in, they have to come up with what the universe actually looks like when people aren't fighting, and they tend to do a terrible job at this revealing just how one-dimensional the setting really is
>Muh codexes and rulebooks only!!!
You're the worst of the autists
>>Muh codexes and rulebooks only!!!
What does this even mean? Do you think I'm saying they shouldn't exist? I'm saying they're secondary material, like the video games. They work within existing canon, they don't define the canon, although things from secondary canon can be folded into the main canon if they want to
>it's not part of the core canon, it has a different tone
Utter pilpul. So now you're going to go back on your previous comment and complain horus heresy is too grimdark while ignoring the other series that are actually set in the 40k timeline and not 30k?
IIRC the books are narrated by Amberly, Cain is probably dead lmao
you've actually haven't read a single one of the 40k books and it shows
talking about things you have no clue about makes you the most tremendous homosexual of all
Rogue Trader alone shits all over your moronic ideas about being unable to write anything nuanced in the universe, not to mention the substantial number of books that are at least decent if not good outright
Frick you, The Watcher in the Rain is fantastic.
>Hypothetically even if only 20% of those people are talented
No
stfu troony
>It's LE BAD because [contrarian schizobabble]
Shut up, moron.
>The lore has no real depth or emotional nuance
yes, we know you don't like it anon, since it doesn't tell you that pretending to be a woman makes you a woman. Now have a nice day
>what is WHFP
>The lore has no real depth or emotional nuance, it's an excuse for games to take place and to make cool models
You can say this about literally any videogame ever though. At the end of the day any game's story is just an excuse to set up rooms of enemies for you to kill
Seethe boy. I have a zoomer daughter going to college in 2 years and i've always been obsessed with 40k solely for the lore since I discovered it in 1993. Literally never owned a single model.
Based. Let these addicts feel superior with their plastic crack. Meanwhile I'm amassing the entire black library.
Whatever you say, Ahriman.
>I have a zoomer daughter
my condolences she's going to get ran through lol
she gettin tyroned as we speak, fricking lmaooooo, hope that bachelors in liberal arts is enough to cover the cost of having a mulatto kid
>DONT ASK QUESTONS, CONSOOM CODEX AND WAIT FOR NEXT CODEX. BUY MORE PRIMARIS
You now pretending to have interest in the table top AI shitter? go have a nice day already waste of space.
That shop of your AI garbage into the rogue trader game actually made me depressed for like a day.
my interest starts and ends at i think its cool how people can paint them well.
I will show them depression.
>Literally no hope in its lore
What did you expect?
Something about the way the upper lip is drawn on this always makes me see a frowning face I can't unsee instead of the mouth agap "OOH" drawn on.
OH FRICK YOU NOW I CANT UNSEE IT
FRICK YOU
>FRICK YOU
FRICK YOU
>FRICK YOU
>image can now be used in humorous and depressing contexts
Nice
Thanks, I hate it.
because at one point it was wild and crazy and then it turned into everything is emo and edge to the max so you'll just have to deal with it
It was always edgy
There is no "good 40k writing"
>There is no "good 40k writing"
Alright, guys, stop the presses.
Anon has weighed in. The debate is OVER.
sure it was always edgy but it had its lighthearted and sillyness to it. Don't have much of that anymore
>it had its lighthearted and sillyness to it.
I have a second edition box right here from the 90s and it really didn't, apart from the orks, who are still silly
Good 40k writing highlights the humanity amidst the 'grimdark,' like Gaunt's Ghosts, Eisenhorn shit, etc.
Bad 40k writing is just edgelord slop.
Good 40k writing highlights each faction and their struggles amidst the terrors of the galaxy which include each other and from another plane.
Bad 40k writing is just edgelord slop.
Unfortunetly the edgelord tends to win out in order to prologue the setting and keep everything in '''''balance'''''
There's plenty of hope, it's just a logistic and bureaucratic nightmare.
>Literally no hope in its lore...
If things ever got better it would end the franchise.
And then the beaners slid into the trenches screaming “FOR HONOR!!!”
It inspired my shattered cab dredged up in the middle of the rain of lead
And then america and their youth was nigro
Love this love story like you WOULDNT EVEN BEELIEVE hahahahahah
This is the entire point of 40k. It literally invented grimdark.
>Everything is depressing
That's Grimdark for you, it's meant to be. However having said that if you really want to get into WH40K but want some levity, try Orks. They're basically the comedy relief faction.
Kunningly Brutal or Brutally Kunning, which one lads?
Gorkchads: Big
Tuff
Gud-lookin
Lotsa dakka
Morkkeks:
Short
Wimpy
Buncha gitz
No dakka
Simple as
BK>KB
simple as that.
>Speed Freeks soon
WTF about in THE GRIM DARK FUTURE THERE IS ONLY WAR makes you feel any sense of hope?
Youre right about the orkz though, Theyre basically the only ones winning the 40k Universe.
They love a good fight and the universe is filled with tough shit looking for a scrap so they basically get to do what they love constantly without restraints or limitations.
>Everything is depressing, overly edgy gross, literally there is no hope, only misery.
You're not even close to describing how completely and utterly depressed Robute Guilliman became when he woke up after his 10k year sleep.
But on the other hand eldussy
Why do you think the worst of his depressive episode only lasted 3 days?
Cause the fandom loves it's shipping.
Yes, yes we do. Even Immortal demi-Gods with thunderwieners deserve their Eldussy waifu.
It's the only good thing about the setting and it's what shippers do best.
I'm all for it honestly.
The Imperium and the Eldar marrying each other is a beuatiful sight.
A Space Marine with a Howling Banshee wife and a Corsair with a Sister of Battle wife.
It's perfect.
The Lion just woke up and Russ is probably next, those two will probably give him the most shit. Outside of maybe Vulkan and The Khan.
Wait what? Gulliman is fricking an Eldar?
it is a meme. a funny one but still
eldussy got him acting unwise
Should have went for some good Tau dicky
>this artist has art of him fricking a very pregnant Yvraine
Holy shit
>>this artist has art of him fricking a very pregnant Yvraine
post it
No she shows up and they barely speak more then a few lines
Yvraine is a prostitute from low commoragh
lmao commoragh is like 50% prostitutes thats not saying much
>when the Emperor realises it's joever in Master of Mankind
what
what transpired inside it?
Master of Mankind is a Horus Heresy novel half focused around the Emperor where he realises his webway project is completely fricked
Fricking Magnus
maybe big e should have acted like a fricking dad and let his sons in on his project
and maybe the second most powerful psyker could have helped who knows
The Golden Throne was designed for Magnus
I'm talking about The End and the Death: Volume II
>Big E rejects becoming the Dark King
>Big E realizes that maybe he cared about his sons
>Due to the previous statement Big E has to get rid of his human side to fight Horus (Star Child is canon again)
his real sons are the sensei though
>Gorilaman now thinks that Big E was fully an uncaring logical bastard after he meet him again in the throne
>Unaware of what transpired inside the Vengeful Spirit
It is truly over for him
Big E IS a horrible father though. He refers to his biological sons as numbers. Everything he does in the great crusade is big charade.
At least The Khan saw through his bullshit
You have to understand Primarchs were just another step. Very much like how Thunder Warriors were, or laying the foundations for Mechanicum was. Big E thinks in terms of tens of thousands of years and entire humanity. Paternal affection doesn't really factor into it beyond utility. Trying to HUMANIZE the Emperor is a mistake.
don't care
glad that tyrant is rotting on his throne
>glad that tyrant is rotting on his throne
only for another 90 years
Nah Big E's hubris was his undoing. Hd thought he was untouchable.
I need men on those guns valiune don’t worry about me I’m just a woman soldier and I’m not going anywhere
>wieners her instrument
The emperor protects sister
Imagine being a guardsman alive in 30k, seeing the Emperor of Man in battle? The sheer destruction from a single swing of his arm. It's really only a surprise to me why only Lorgar worshipped him as a God and not all the Primarchs from the get go.
not even sure why he needs the sword when in 99% of cases he can solo entire armies by himself with mind bullets and warp rifts if the propaganda is to be believed.
Force weapons acts as focus for your will.
A slash from his sword would cut as all his power put together.
If he had a force staff, a blast from it could probably wipe a planet's face(as in, the side of the planet he's facing)
Because all primarchs other than Lorgar was not terminally mentally ill manchild, and actually have skill called "listening to what Father says"
Read my Christian 40k quest. Its about the only Christian in the galaxy trying to unfrick his slice of the world.
40k is a gothic horror setting. The entire point is that it's comically Grimdark setting.
>40k is all depressing
>a game/universe that is all about war
>with a faction who believe anything purple is invisible
>the same faction believed a Tau dome was a worthy enemy because they couldn't penetrate it
>the same faction that has literal space pirates
40k is depressing but god damn the boys make up for it.
but depression IS comfort and fun.
hey the edgelords aren't that good at fighting
Nekona is LITERALLY my wife
what, no guilliman or angron?
i sense an inconsistency, ferrus is incapable of smiling under any circumstance
why do people bully Lorgar...
Lorgar did nothing wrong I blame Erebus
Because he won.
where Guillman and Angron
>9 ft tall amazonian catgirl waifu
Please god yes
Is like pedos wear a neon sign
based nekona
>she's brown
dropped
>she's tomboy brown
ELEVEN OUT OF TEN
Why am I angrier at Vulkan being white rather than the Space Catgirl
Anon, part of why 40K is so interesting and fun is because the lore is so expansive you could literally talk for days about it with other anons and still not fully understand all of what's going on.
>still not fully understand all of what's going on.
There's nothing to understand, there's no depth, every faction is just at war with each other
Its supposed to be cool and badass. You must be homosexual if it gets you depressed.
read some of the commissar cain novels, it's set in the same overly miserable, edgy, and depressing world of any other 40k media but it manages to be a lot more lighthearted and funny, as it claims to be the memoirs of a person who's meant to be absolutely callous and heartless in their enforcement of discipline, thinks of himself as a coward who likes to avoid work instead, but is seen by everyone else as an incredibly brave and considerate person
>noooo grimdark storytelling is two-dimensional
You just don't get it.
Struggling against the insurmountably depressing facts of our lives is a massive part of the human experience.
If you don't understand it, you have yet to struggle enough.
This should be a default understanding, anyone that struggled wouldn't even think to mention this.
This. If taken to it's logical conclusion the setting is overally shitty but watching all the factions cope and try to move forward while shitting and tripping over themselves and each other is entertaining.
Doubly so when you watch how GW tries to write the factions.
And how only until recent years has GW actually done anything to progress the lore forward. I mean I get it. It's a tabletop game so you want to leave things open but until the return of Bobby Girlyman they really weren't doing shit for the Imperium in terms of lore.
The lore wasn't supposed to move forward and everything they've done to move it forward is just stupid and cringe like bringing the primarchs back
I hate mother frickers like you with a passion. You say this every time thinking progressing the story is somehow going to nuke the tabletop. You really think GW is going to kill their own franchise through story-telling? There are Daemon Primarchs running around so what a couple of Loyalist boys are back. It won't change the setting for you TT super autists.
I'll start listening to your complaints when they start talking about resurrecting big E though because that WILL change the setting and perpetual war one way or another.
>You really think GW is going to kill their own franchise through story-telling?
No?
Every change to the story they make it just bad, and it's usually done with the intent to get people to spend even more money
> and it's usually done with the intent to get people to spend even more money
No shit, they're a business and in business to make money. Everyone, EVERYONE knows GW are greedy c**ts, they haven't changed their m.o. for over 30 years they're not going to change it now.
Even if they did try bringing back the Emperor the would just counter it with bringing forth Ynnead and the Chaos gods will probably start raising a stink. That's not even including Gork and Mork along with the Necrons and Tyranids mostly like getting more active with the rest of the galaxy.
The problem is less moving the setting forward and more of moving everything at once so it's really hard to see the actual progression.
>You really think GW is going to kill their own franchise through story-telling?
They did do End Times.
That was after they killed Fantasy with two absolute dogshit editions in a row and doubling down on the price of entry ensuring no new players. I'd wager that shitshow is why Kill Team is a thing now.
Two editions and some armies still had rules that had not been updated for years.
Fair enough. But when anyone ever ask if GW is really willing to do something moronic with Warhammer, Fantasy or 40K. It just makes me remember the End Times.
Hell after making AoS they are trying to remake Fantasy with The Old World.
While I agree with the rest of your post, I don't think bringing the Emperor back would amount to anything, for the lore or the TT. In lore he'll just be a figurehead like the other chaos gods except he'll be "tangible", the work is still up to the marines. And for the TT, sure they might make a mini of him but it'll be like the HH Character Series and never be legal for play or get a datasheet.
The only thing I hate about nu-lore is this dumb great rift and dark Imperium shit.
It screams end times and chaos wankery to me.
I wouldn't have minded if they blew up Cadia and enlarged the eye of terror some but pic related is too much.
>dark Imperium shit.
I'll need a rundown.
I know the rift, is this liek a mirror universe thing, or it's just people stuck withouth the astronomican?
Those guys a fricked besides, chartists vessels takes hundreds upon hundreds of years to finish their runs.
>it's just people stuck withouth the astronomican?
They pretty much are but they also got their own astronomican alternative which is kinda moronic.
Dark Imperium would've been neat if it lead to a Byzantium style thing that eventually developed a culture somewhat different to the original Imperium.
Its just an excuse to split the Imperium in half and eventually make an Imperium 2: Grimmer and Darker Edition that they can focus on for the next 20 years while continuing to ignore literally everything else in the setting that isn't humans.
Oh frick you people were complaining for years and years about the stagnant setting.
They really weren't doing shit for anybody in terms of lore.
The only time things seemed like they were going to happen it got set back immediately somewhere else.
I was disappointed when i found out 40K wasn't just the Warhammer universe, but really far into the future when fantasy world races develop space-faring technology.
It somewhat started out that way, but has long since been retconned. Modern 40K lore hints that the world of Warhammer Fantasy does exist, but as a pocket dimension inside the Warp where the Chaos gods continue to play their Great Game.
Are you familiar with these cheeky little nasties
You are supposed to turn your brain off and watch the cool chainsaw super soldiers epically mow down space demons
>Weshammer literally proved that Orks don't have the "can think things into existence" power
>every source people have used all this time has been not canon or unreliable
Holy shit what the frick
Weshammer, I'm honestly impressed the amount of research he puts into his videos, thought at first he was just a grifter reading Wiki's but he's shown he's legitimately passionate about Warhammer40k.
motherfricker went around looking at small sources from 2002 and shit, he's a genuine autist.
But seriously the fact that it's not actually 100% canon that orks have this "believing is power" field just blew my mind. It's one of the most well known things about the franchise
>yfw orks have this "believing is power" field even though the lore says they don't because all the fans believe the orks do have it, thus using a "believing is power" field to generate a "believing is power field"
oh shit
pottery
I mean, a smaller example of this was last seen with the belief that Vance Stubbs won in the events of Soulstorm, until DoW III came out and revealed that Gorgutz prevailed instead
>a smaller example of this was last seen with the belief that Vance Stubbs won in the events of Soulstorm, until DoW III came out and revealed that Gorgutz prevailed instead
And the Guardgays have been seething ever since kek.
He still thinks the missing legions are meant to be self inserts so he's nowhere near perfect
>implying they aren't
2 missing legions so that players can headcanon their own legions
The source for that's alredy debunked Black person. Also tell me how they can be self inserts when there is already implied lore there? Russ killed one of them at the very least
>Russ killed one of them at the very least
wrong
>im just going to lie so that my headcanon can continue to exist
Whatever floats your goat
Okay, secondary.
I am smarter, taller and stronger than you and my girlfriend is cuter than any girl who would even make eye contact with you
And yet you will always be a secondary.
I think asserting something you would know is untrue with a quick google search proves you were never meant to read and were born to mine cobalt
>Everything is so incredibly depressing
Yes and no, here have some Ork. Also watch/ listen to Gav and Bob series on Youtube.
You lack the CEO mindset
>everything is overly edgy gross or depressing. Literally no hope in its lore...
Woah, woah, woah... you mean to tell me... Warhammer 40K... is based???
There's plenty of humor and fun sprinkled around.
You can't take edgy dumb shit out of 40K, it's part of the flavor, like optimism and classic Star Trek, you either role with it and embrace it or you go and find your kicks in another setting. Trying to change what's established only fricks everything up.
this is british humour m8, you obviously dont get it
>the document that allows a Rogue Trader to basically commit heresy and also claim ownership of star systems is some giant fricking scroll treated as a holy relic and mired in mountains of religious bureaucracy
40k is fricking hilarious
This is it, WH40K sometimes is very depressingly British, but that's the fun of it. It's not going to be Star Wars with the swelling throngs of heroes defeating villains or Star Trek with their perfect, Utopian societies.
>Vox in the void
Love to sleep to this homie's videos
why is 1dGanker still dead
>WOTS THIS WOTS THIS WOTS THIS YOU GOT A LOICENSE FOR THAT HERESY
Yes.
There's tons of hope. Eventually the blessed star gods will awaken and cut all of this wretched galaxy's ties to the hellish Warp, and an era of absolute peace will come.
Check the books for true miseryporn. One has a pair of rogue trader concubines escape their masters ship because the RT had died and in his dynasty it was customary to slowly burn his wives alive with the body.. Sequence ends with them escaping to sewers of a mining station where people who can't work anymore are hiding because the Admech in charge of the station either servitorize them or mulch them into food paste and the concubines get executed and hacked into pieces by the trader retinue searching for them.
I remember one of the ultramarine novels, there's a traitor who's cooperating with the dark elves for some reason, and as part of the process of turning him traitor they gave him a poison against which there is no antidote and which will kill him within a week. But it can be treated by their insane dark elf surgeon regularly vivisecting him and manually repairing all his organs and then rebuilding his body, while the guy remains conscious throughout. Then he gets to slowly die from the poison for another week, before the process repeats. And the way the guy copes with this is by doing his best to torture anyone he can get his hands on in the same way.
The whole book read like a young adult novel, was really weird to have these scenes of horrible torture just casually dropped in there whenever we got chapters from that guy's point-of-view.
And that shit's still probably better than living under the admech.
Some authors definitely write gore and torture porn under alias. C.S Goto sets out creep alarms every page.
>ultramarine novels
see
I am 100% certain the dark eldar and their fixation on horrible torture began and continues to this day as some sick fricks fetish wank material.
You should read some of the earliest books
They're full on some guy jerking off to his fetishes
just like drows
I like Drow but hate Deldar
Read Ciaphas Cain for a more lighthearted but still thoroughly enjoyable foray into 40k. I do agree that a lot of the shit is just edgy and moronic not saying it has to be disney noble bright but it's like they want to be as inefficient and to cause as much misery as humanly possible for no good reason. there's a story where techpriests are surprised at the sudden rise in worker productivity when they tried treating them humanely instead of just whipping them till they get the job done.
Ciaphas Cain books are bad examples of the setting. Everything goes too well in them and everyone is too reasonable and competent.
Cain and co only have the problems they face because people they meet aren't reasonable or competent. His inquisitor waifu is reasonable and competent because she has to be, and the other ones, like that techpriestfu or the people who work at the scholam have only reached their positions in relative old age, alive and intact, due to being reasonable and competent.
So the story only works cause they made everyone else conveniently more moronic than Cain? That sounds like GW writing honestly.
>rogue trader
Yo new kid, welcome to the kosher world, take a sit and listen up.
-GW is run by sois, they've turned grim-dark 40k and Fantasy into some nu-Warcraft/Starcraft lite
>should be noted that both Warcraft and Warhammer were twins at birth, but one was born gay, the other just converted to homoism later
-GW licenses the IP to almost ANYONE, it could be super cool devs like the ones who made Inquisitor using the old CoH game engine, or it could be sjw broke dicks who make trash like Rogue Trader.
Now that I think about it, it's kind of brilliant, it's almost as if some devs are chaotic forces and some are Astartes legions themselves. But who am I kidding, anyone who knows the whole Ultramarine saga knows GW doesn't know jack shit lmao.
While the setting is depressing and horrible, you gotta remember that people CAN live normal or adequate lives without getting completely shat on by the universe, you just don't really hear about it because thats not where the action is.
That's the entire point. Long past is the promise of peace and prosperity, there is only war. Humanity is a bloated corpse that lives solely because of its sheer size. The tenets of the Imperium is violence, decay, excess, and ambition.
Ah jeez, it took me this long to realize the Imperium is just a mirror of the Chaos gods? I'm smooth-brained as hell.
>Violence is extolled as a virtue for its many armies and soldiers. The serf/slave who seeks to burn down the whole system and would take any power to do so.
>Decaying society that grinds millions underneath its factories and choked planets that people would do anything to simply not feel the pain
>Nobles that are the 0.0001% of the population with untold wealth that can try and experience any form of excess
>Gangs and nobles trying to one up each other or seek knowledge from any source
There's a excerpt in one of the books where Guiliman basically tells Dante to unfrick Baal, paraphrasing "hey if you make the people live miserable, shitty lives in societal hell, then they'll chose the other hell that at least gives them something.".
Not yet, but when the fifth chaos god will be born out of humanity sheer moronation, that'll be the moment
happened before, will happen again
But what form could it possibly take, the 4 main ones are already covered
Disbelief
You will never be a real chaos god Malal!
I know, gods aren't real.
chaos god of bureaucracy
Malal already exists.
Because it's a joke.
There is literally more hope in the setting now than ever. TWO (2) whole loyalist Primarchs are up and running around, and the Elder god of the dead has been born, albeit somewhat prematurely. In so far as 40k, things have literally never been better. 30k is another matter.
>literally no hope
Trust the Emperor's plan.
if 40k is so great, why have i never given a frick about it?
U were too busy slurping men genitals
You have to give a frick and suck about it, you're only half way there
Ciaphis Cain is just 40k Blackladder
>blackadder Christmas special literally depicted future 40k adder
And Jurgen is Baldrick
read the infinite and the divine if you want 40k material that is actually fun
Just bought a copy yesterday, can't wait for it to show up
Necrons are the very definition of "mods are asleep" with the rest of the races being shitposters. The Infinite and the Devine is a nice example how stupidly broken their technology is. (with the final chapter being the perfect example)
Why does /tg seethe so much about infinite and the divine? is it because they pretend that the oldcrons weren't shit?
Pathetic ultra cancer blob race having their souls permanently trapped in undying metal terminator bodies by space cthulus >>> Literally just tomb kings in space. Seriously what the actual frick?
It's literally the same thing except now they have characters instead of being tyranids but robots
Tyranids but robots is better. They could have characters that regained some autonomy somehow but it should be various flavors of incomprehensible reeeeeing or just ctan frickery.
The Infinite and the Divine and The Twice Dead King are pure kino
>The Twice Dead King
Haven't had this one recommended to me yet, mind sharing why its good anon?
it deals with the flayer curse and how it affects necrons physically and mentally, and follows the story of a exiled prince.
it's really damn good, like phenomenal
hmmm but Ganker and /tg/ declared that these books are non canon and cringe and troony and sjw and woke so they're bad and you're cringe if you read them
No, those ones are fun. The rest are indeed non canon and cringe and troony and sjw and woke so they're bad and you're cringe if you read them.
To add on to this, the way it portrays the Imperium is brilliant as well, like a tidal wave of shit that you can't stop.
>two old men lamenting about the loss of culture while they chug down some boiled bean water in a hokey looking corner shop on the promenade.
>Trazyn assembles his court to discuss an issue
>"So... does anyone have any ideas?"
>Entire room doesn't move or talk for 3 fricking years, several officers/servants just staring at each other while modem sounds are heard as they think
>"...No."
Actual thing that happens.
>Do you have a statue of yourself, Orikan?
>Why would someone destroy this statue?
>Perhaps they thought it was ugly.
I like the grimdark but frick me 40k is supposed to be fun as well.
can we all agree that
Try reading some books from the setting, i would suggest Eisenhorn and Ravenor.
Yes, humanity is fricked beyond measure, but that doesn't means heroes can't rise from both the puritan and radical side of things.
Plus, it's a wargame, originally, so there's no need for things like hope or alliances.
In the grim dark future of the 41st millenium, there is only war.
There is no peace amongst the stars.
>In the grim darkness of the 42nd millenium, there can be no victor
Yeah what about the 43rd millennium?
What 43rd millenium? :^)
There's that very large and well respected fanfic about the 50th millenium. It becomes worse.
Then it is continued with the 60th millenium. It becomes so grimdark depressing it makes W40k MLP in comparison.
are cute Tau girls canon...?
Yes.
Nothing makes me prouder of being brown than visiting a GW Store, looking at the pathetic Canadian pics of their youth and seeing Gankerers get arrested.
You will not be missed.
>It's depressing
>Nothing happens
>The fanbase are permanently stuck being manchildren
It's anime for even MORE autistic morons.
top 3 40k games go
Dawn of war dark crusade
Dawn of war
Dawn of war winter assault
>Boltgun
worth $15?
would you suggest only the first game bundle, or also II bundle?
meant also for
the second got what, DoW2 and space marine?
I think it's worth it.
I've also enjoyed boltgun, it's fast paced and the guns feel good.
The game gets weird though, like locking keyboard controls.
If you like pure tactics games, there's also space hulk Ascension
Martyr felt like it could have been so great, but fricked itself with always online services that cut your progress.
I've really enjoyed RT, but the gbalance is a broken mess.
Then again, the actual ttrpg was also a broken mess, with sisters of battle throwing leman russ at enemies, and gravity being your worst enemy if you wore a power armor
Boltgun is my solid third, i don't have negatives about it, really.
Chaosgate is a tie.
DoW
Space Marine
Firewarrior
DOW 1
Mechanicus/Chaos Gate
Space Marine
Rogue Trader would've made the list in a year from now if it doesn't always break itself on a constant basis
>Rogue Trader
Or had decently written endings
The perennial curse with RPGs. If you're not playing them for the journey, you're doing it wrong.
You speak the truth. But I've been through enough journey's that've turned to ash because of shitty writing at the end that it all feels stale to me now.
Maybe I'm just depressed.
I was an Iconoclast with Dogma sprinkled in. 0 Heretic points. Did my best to look out for my dudes/dudettes.
>iconoclast
People have been called heretics for less.
still mad about the heretic ending being a bad ending?
Did you not expect it?
Just edit the text files so the ending slide says whatever you want.
DoW and Space Marine should be on everyones list, 3rd game can be whatever the frick. I like Darktide alot but I'm a frickin moron so mind me. Boltgun if you like the old school shooter shit. Inquisitor aint bad if you want a diablo game
>I like Darktide alot
did they fix the game?
What was wrong with it? Genuinely curious.
They overhauled the entire talent tree, you can play YOUR DUDES how you want and it's viable. My zealot is a relic flamer support dude and my vet is a melee shout medic.
i didnt play it before the overhaul so i dont know how fricked it was but all the classes have at least 3 distinct ways to play and feels good for me but im a shitter still in the 3rd difficulty (out of 5 at least)
>Inquisitor
>game is on the edge of mixed
i notice every dlc review outside of one is mixed/negative. is it really this bad?
I mean you ask 100 people want they want from an ARPG and youll get 100 answers, theyre the most fickle frickers. I feel like if the endgame isnt punching Big E in the face or shooting Old Ones, people are just gonna shit on it anyway. Its a 7/10 game.
I really love how every minor decision you take in this game results in dozens of deaths at the minimum, often thousands, and occasionally millions. Very grimdark.
I've killed about half of my party, if not more.
Filthy heretics.
I expect to kill about half of my subjects by the end of the game, willingly or not.
There's really no reason for any sensible RT to give Idira or the xenos companions the time of day. Jae is an iffy choice and even Cassia is somewhat questionable.
Jae's a fine choice, as a RT it's basically your job to engage in xeno-trade because you're the only one who can legally do it.
Her personality is a problem, but that's nothing you can't ... modify to your will.
Sending Idira to the inquisition would have been my choice, had she not summoned fricknig Theodora's ghost to my ship, so i shot her myself, evidently.
Cenos should be purged, preferably with their own weapons.
Cassia is a great navigator, you should use her while you can, but she needs to be contained.
As a navigator, her place is bound to her chair, not down on the planet where she could (technically) die at any moments.
>britbongs make an over the top parody of edgy military scifi coupled with their fantasy battle wargame setting
>americans lap it up and treat it completely seriously
Last I checked it's GW (British) and and their British writers doing it
That bottom picture is fantastic, both of those men are entirely consumed by their own drama.
>Brits combine well-known elements into something new as a parody
>It actually works somehow and goes on for long enough to be it's own thing
>Anon doesn't understand how that happened since "it's a parody"
Literal autism.
>Literally no hope in its lore
Yeah there is. Be born A human noble, a craftworld eldar or an Ork
>90% of the 40k games are rts or turn-based strategy
Hate this shit.
Villains are cool. When everyone is a villain it's cool as hell. Who cares if it's grim it isn't real dude.
I'm just getting in to the lore so far here is my views
>Humanity
Fricked beyond belief, on the cusp of birthing a new Warp/Chaos/Order God like the Eldar. If they don't get wiped out before that happens. Salamanders are the one set of genuine good guys in the setting.
>Chaos
moronic and doomed to be contained to the warp if any of the other factions win.
>Orks
The only ones that are "winning" or atleast enjoy the hellscape that is the 41k timeframe. Demons run from them, save for Khorn who has his own personal WAARRGH world. He uses them to punish his moronic demon princes.
>Necrons
They are the root cause for all the shit we see now. They are what is gonna happen to us if baby boomers are allowed immortality via AI.
>Eldar
Humanities future. Also the most fricked up and despicable faction outside of slannesh aligned chaos factions. Which only exist because of the Eldar.
>Nids
The ultimate bad guy of the setting it seems. Very simple and basic to understand. Space Locust. Their only goal is to consume. No one is safe from them, save for necrons. Maybe. If there was any faction that would cause they whole milky way of the 41st millennium unite it's them.
>Tau
What if Anime space communism?
>No one is safe from them, save for necrons.
Nids can also eat necrodermis but the little biomass gained from doing so usually makes it a net loss so they avoid it.
If nids have a choice between Necrons or demons though they pick necrons since demons have zero biomass.
And don't the nids have some the "shadow in the warp" and out right makes it impossible for lesser demons to spawn in?
>Nids can also eat necrodermis
Any source on that? It sounds like full of shit. Necrons have literally zero biomass, thats the fricking point of their "immortalized" race.
Biomass for nids isn't just organic. They also strip mine planets they consume of all minerals n shit.
Yeah it fricks with the warp but with the current state of the 40k galaxy and warp storms going on everywhere I guess nids also fight demons a lot now. There is a Leviathan splinter fleet that specializes in just killing demons and keeping them away from the main hive fleets which have to re-fuel it with fresh biomass because demons actually have none.
What do you think the "bio" in biomass means?
My man when a tyranid hive fleet eats a planet they leave that planet 100% dead with all resources consumed, organic and inorganic. There is no re-colonizing a nid consumed world since that world has 0 resources left.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tyranid#fn_4
>In the process of assimilating a planet's biological and inorganic materials, the most important stage is the location of a suitable target
That would imply they *literally* consume the entire planet and I mean the planet itself since it is inorganic, which they don't do since they leave a barren rock instead.
As far as I'm concerned nids can eat everything except demons because those are made out of materialized psychic magic warp energy.
But one has to remember that nids are all about mega cold autistic hivemind efficient logic. If a hive fleet was starving I don't doubt they would go eat that necron tomb world but if they have a better choice then they would go for that.
nids can eat everything THAT IS ONLY ON THE SURFACE though
Nah nids can dig balls deep into a planet.
Waste of resources, also depends on the type of fleet, they “enslave” the host planet rather than eat it. Usually the fleet type that use genestealers are the ones that do this kind of thing.
I mean yeah there are also hive fleets that work in jolly cooperation with genestealer cults and even travel with them.
All depends on what you want your dinobugdudes to be.
>let's pretend Votann are not a real faction
frick off destinygay
Votann are also fricked in their own way
Votann is not a real faction lmao. When traitor marines start knocking I'm not looking to a bunch of stubby miners for combat assistance
>Eldar
>Also the most fricked up and despicable faction
You're just assmad at pointy ears being up their own asses as literally every piece of media containing elves always does. Outside of having an ego bigger than your mom they're the only other force of actual good in the galaxy besides the Imperium.
>they're the only other force of actual good in the galaxy besides the Imperium.
No that is what the Fish 'eads are for tbh. Space elves by default can never be good without a caveat.
>they're the only other force of actual good in the galaxy besides the Imperium
That only applies to craftworlders, and only because they are physically weak which forces them into needing diplomacy with other species of which they think so low, Imperium's universal xenophobia looks like radical xenophilia in comparison. Majority of eldar species are worse than literal warp horrors from the perspective of any sentient life. But even craftworlders would gladly have Slaanesh eat all other life in universe the way it wants to eat eldars, even if it would mean that Slaanesh would frick off from them for 5 minutes.
Craftworlder are the worse.
They spend the whole heresy doing nothing (except for Eldrad) and then when it got the point of basically being The Fall 2.0 then they are ask eldrad
>Dude, what can we do avoid
Zero pitty for space elves
>new Warp/Chaos/Order God like the Eldar
at least the emperor will be on humanities side
If the emperor had allowed himself to fully form into a chaos god, or if he becomes one after his corpse finishes dying, he's not just going to be the same guy. He would probably become complete one track minded on some single emotion like all the other chaos gods that's equally as bad and evil as the existing ones
Reddit: The Post. Frick off cazzie
Why is it so easy to break the game with Argenta? I'm playing on unfair and I'm not following any build, just clicking what sounds cool. I spend the first turn buffing her and in the second turn she kills 2 Forgefiends, the Heretek Boss and all of the trash enemies in a single turn.
Don't read too much into it. Most people just try to survive in the nightmare
Is rogue trader worth picking up?
Not yet. Wait for them to patch it up first. It's in a Alpha state as of now with a myriad of game breaking bugs all back loaded in later acts
It will be but not yet, still badly bugged. You could pirate it though to at least play the first 3 acts.
act 4 patch just came out yesterday
Not fond of knife ears
It doesn't have to be. There's nothing stopping you from making a few homebrew planets and saying "Actually, things aren't so bad here".
Every piece of official 40k fluff is nothing but a structure for you to tell the stories you want to tell with your little plastic or imaginary army men, you can ignore or embrace whatever you want.
>just make up your own lore
Yes
>made a fanfilm to show off his homebrew chapter in all its glory
>it was so good that GW had to take it down for slander
Take it down, pay off the guy then upload it to their shitty streaming service*
What's it called so I don't have to pay for it?
Warhammer Fantasy > SnoretyK
The future is exclusively grimdark and hopeless
Because it went from a satirical parody to a satirical parody with serious moments to taking itself seriously. If you read the pre 5th end books(not black library) it's night and day how much more playful and self aware the writing is.
It's always taken itself seriously, the only difference is the fans
I enjoy some of the black library stuff, mainly Eisenhorn/Ravenor.
Gaunt's fine too, but i found it much more of a slog to read than.
I fricking love me some beakies though.
>satirical parody
Where do you morons even come from?
Originally 40k was indeed a joke, GW just made space version of Warhammer for shits and giggles. It became its own thing after they realized that the idea has potential. Disregard for common sense and almost comical levels of over-the-top is 40k's trademark, however, at any point of time, actual satire of something had yet to be seen? Do you even know what satire is bruh?
Funny thing is that its not even as bas as it could or gonna get
>Get invited to a concert by the cute Remembrancer that she and all the artgays have been working on
what do?
Whats some of the darkest shit in the universe? I mean I know everyone hates each other and everyones shootin each other but whats some of the real dark shit going on?
The emperor is a corpse, and seeing him make you lose all your hair.
That's truly horrifying
The Harrowing
The Halo Stars
"Maraviglia"
you guys wanna at least gimme a link or something to look this shit up if you dont wanna give a tl:dr
How exactly is this the "darkest" thing in 40K?
>it was a war...
>it was so ugly that nobody talked about it...
>teh xenos were so terrible that you'd DIE if you got close to them...
>DONT TALK ABOUT IT OKAY?!
It leaves too much up to interpretation and doesn't even provide a hint as to why it was so gruesome. It looks like just another xeno threat the imperium has to deal with among many more. The Daemonculaba is more gruesome in comparison.
So...daemons?
Worse, Black personmans.
I feel like the dark age of technology is the biggest cop out in any medium. Like they can just asspull that shit for literally anything.
WE FOUND A MCGUFFIN THAT SUDDENLY JUST WORKED AND WIPED OUT HALF THE GALAXY THEN POOFED OUT OF EXISTENCE AND ANY FURTHER MENTIONING OF IT WILL RESULT IN EXTERMINATUS
No more bullshit than ancient eldar or necron tech.
TL:DR of Maraviglia.
A concert turns in to a orgy of killing and sex
Look up Daemonculaba
The game Grim Dawn has almost exactly what the Daemonculaba is
Deamunculaba, Halo Stars, Genestealer Cults, Angron being aware for a few seconds every time he dies, etc.
>Angron being aware for a few seconds every time he dies
He is aware and mentally stable.
>Angron being aware for a few seconds every time he dies
Source? He's one of the most tragic Primarchs and that just makes it more painful. Want to know where I can read about that.
IIRC the recent fluff said that the only time he doesn't feel the influence of the nails is during the fractions of a second between when he dies and when Khorne shoots him back into reality.
Fricking metal, thanks anons.
Arks of Omen: Angron
No one can feasibly leave the Milky Way since Warp based travel can't function beyond the galactic rim. Since they have no other alternative forms of FTL propulsion they have to either use generational ships or sail blindly into the void with sublight engines. The last time someone sent out a call the only response that came back was from the Orks.
>Since they have no other alternative forms of FTL propulsion
Farily sure necrons can go ftl without warp
So is it just tyranids and orks outside the galaxy or what
>Nids coming in directly from below enveloping the disc from three points via tendril fleets and the maw
>spurts of ork chatter radiating off from the distant stars
>dead static everywhere else
Inb4 Bretheren Moons are what the Nids are originally running from.
The old ones left the galaxy billions of years ago. Who knows what the frick they've been up to.
I certainly hope Nids are something entirely new, outsider force to the Milky Way instead of being yet another old one bioweapon
Silent King went around the universe doing whatever he was doing
There's an un sharded C'Tan at the edge of the galaxy that is also completely insane. If it ever gets out of the dyson sphere it's imprisoned inside shit will be proper fricked. Big E ain't in any shape to fight him, and even then he only put down a shard, and the eldar don't have the numbers or enough of their pantheon leftover to do the job either. So it would be up to the necrons, if the outsider hasn't developed some defense against getting tesseracted in the millions of years since the war in heaven.
Everything related to eldars, probably. They are hopelessly existentially fricked.
>Turned their entire civilization into leather club and partied so hard they spawned a literal warp god
>Warp god's first ever experience was about race that spawned it being horrified and rejecting it
>It has special obsession with having its way with them ever since, which it always does once their souls leave their bodies
>Think eternal torture by the god entity who has maximum suffering as one of its domains
>They develop ways to save themselves, either storing their souls in physical storage (it's over if storage is destroyed), or torturing other sentient life to temporarily make warp god to frick off (still gets them if they die)
>Both means stalling the inevitable, but ultimately they have no way to avoid their fate
>The best possible thing for being eldar is to never be born in first place
Apparently GW wanted to rework that part of setting some time ago due to how fricked it is, but so far it has gotten nowhere.
Only because of that rumored coup.
Eldar are just really fricking gay. Nobody likes them except homosexuals and their lore is garbage.
Aside from personal "Oh my goshies that's so sad" that only effects one character:
Daemonculaba is pretty dark.
But the only place you will see the most truly fricked up shit in 40K is with Dark Eldar and Slaanesh corruption lore. Both have to do with extreme sadism, and they are the only ones who truly dwell in and relish suffering over sheer anger and death. Other factions do it for a higher purpose or out of compulsion, such as the Tyranids eating to survive, or Khornate warriors doing it out of rage and glory for Khorne, but the Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi forces cause suffering because the end goal IS suffering, especially with the Dark Eldar.
I think out of both, the Dark Eldar take the cake. Slaanesh could subject you to suffering, but may get a kick out of making you like it. The Dark Eldar don't care if you take pleasure in it. They want you to suffer at all times to the most extreme because that is how they feed and stay alive. It's a little grimderp, but it makes for some really horrific scenes, since they have excellent means of keeping you alive, even as they put you through agonies you can't even fathom.
One thing GW fricked up in building the setting, is making the name "Dark Eldar" stick. They aren't "Dark", they are surviving sample of completely normal Eldar culture as of the moment of Slaanesh birth, it's other eldars who are weirdoes compared to majority of their species.
IN THE GRIM DARK FUTURE OF THE FORTY FIRST MILLENNIUM THERE IS ONLY WAR
Only on worlds which are relevant to the plot. Most of the galaxy (if you consider that there's thousands of habitable planets) is at peace, and quite a few of them are normal worlds just like Earth, just with an imperial faith and perhaps a tithe for resources or troops. You aren't going to hear about these though because they aren't relevant to a captivating plot.
I know what you mean though. 40K doesn't understand contrast, and that grimdark just looks stupid unless you have moments of good and triumph. Vice versa, GW is deathly afraid of actually portraying dark shit as actually dark.
>(if you consider that there's thousands of habitable planets
there's actually billions worlds populated by mankind in 40k.
You're off the mark by at least an order of magnitude.
I was being conservative on the numbers. There being billions of planets only proves my point more. Most worlds are at peace, only subject to the rule of their planets and how fricked up their governance is. Some are probably just like Earth and you may even have some which are doing very well compared to real life.
The fun part being that the Emperor always thought humanity was meant to govern itself and the space marines were just temporary tools. Chapters like Ultramarines or Emperor's children are/were far better at managing planets.
The patches are so small and insignificant.
Reminder that unless you paint models and play the tabletop. Your opinion doesn't matter.
I don't play the wargame, but i've painted my dudes, and i played the differents ttrpg.
Am i in?
Better than the typical poster.
I have a 1800pt painted Black Templars Army with Steel Legion support, a shelf with the Horus Heresy Novels, Gaunts Ghosts, Ciaphas Cain, Ravenor, Eisenhorn, and Third War for Armageddon. As well as a copy of the imperial Infantryman's Handbook original print. Deathwatch, RT, and Dark Heresy hardprint with Only War and Black Crusade on HDD. Emperor have mercy on me.
Do I matter
Why do you have Marissa?
Who
Idk
I only like the mechanicus but all of their minis fricking suck (and all of their books fricking suck too)
>hand Cassia a rifle
>her latent Hapsburg genes burst forth
cool game Owlcat
You should try WH:FB, where everyone is angry instead.
The tagline of the 40k is literally “In The Grim Darkness Of The Far Future There Is Only War”
>only got three episodes
wew
pariah nexus was such a nothing fricking story but god damn i enjoyed seeing necrons doing things
seriously just watch the parts that have necrons in it and skip every single other thing, you'll miss nothing. it's worth it for the illuminor szeras scene alone
Definitely gave me a greater appreciation for the deathmarks. Even if the Salamander got him in the end.
that is one thing that was odd though, i thought deathmarks shifted their physical bodies into the pocket dimension, but pariah nexus makes it seem like the deathmarks opens a door to another dimension he has to then enter
also the fricking notion a guardsman could hold onto a fricking necron of any type to prevent them from moving is fricking stupid
giwtwm
>trying to get into Vermintide 2
>a dozen hours in, have absolutely zero idea how to fight plague monks/slayers/literally every boss besides shooting them until they die
This block/parry system is really weird and unintuitive.
remember youre not supposed to really solo shit, ping everything, and the other 3 tards should be wailing away on things like that
Dodge backwards on the spam attacks
>As he locked gazes with the cackling apparition, Oltyx felt a cold panic rise. Actuators spasmed, as his chest began hauling for steadying breaths it could not take. That set off the rest: deep in the underlayers of his mind, phantom alarm-glyphs began to stack faster than they could be cleared. Each one cried out, shrill and afraid, that his brain was starved of oxygen, and that he could not breathe. Oltyx had no brain, just as he had no lungs, but knowing that did nothing at all to quell the escalating terror.
>The dysphorakh, the lords of Ithakas called it, on such vanishingly rare occasions as it was mentioned at all. For who would speak the name of such a thing, or even think it, for dread that it might be roused? When murmurs did break the silence of centuries, they spoke of a relic: a phantom vestige of an aeons-dead brain, entombed in the deepest flux-patterns of every necron, forever searching in the dark for the body it had once reigned over. The dysphorakh did not know it was dead. It was aware only that the warmth and nourishment and shelter it depended on had vanished, along with the constant, synaptic assurance that all was well. Doomed never to find so much as a mote of stimulus, it could only scream, forever.
wait until OP founds about rock music
I still desire an Eldar game.
They're not even a release faction for new games anymore, some games will get 6 race DLCs and it still won't have a single Eldar in them. They have been completely and utterly forgotten.
Has there ever been even an attempt at an Eldar story people can sympathize with? Even the three flavor of elves in Warhammer Fantasy had stories and characters you could relate to and sympathise with.
Not really, because Gav Thorpe writes all their stories and he genuinely hates elves as a whole. He's the one who made Eternity King Malekith specifically to shit on the High Elves.
Every now and then a different writer will incorporate an Eldar character into something who's alright, but they're never a focus and often end up getting screwed. It's assumed that Gav is highly 'protective' of how he wants the Eldar to be and will specifically enforce the rule fhat all Eldar have to be complete moronic buttholes, suffer horrendously and embarassingly even if they're not the bad guys, or both.
Path of the eldar series, parth of the dark eldar book, the pheonix lord books
The Eldar part in Fulgrim is at least sympathetic towards the Eldar when Fulgrim chimps out and kills them all
Eldars riding dinos with lasers and shit are cool, everything else is gay.
>Literally no hope in its lore..
Are you fricking moronic unironically? Does all conflict in media the heroes need to overcome "depress" you? Have you heard of the heroes journey? You're 80 IQ and 40k isn't for you
>doing Jae quest
>a fricking stealth mission
>in this game engine
what the FRICK were they thinking?
>grimdark
>Why is a setting that literally begins with "In the grim darkness," so grim and dark
Big brains over here
BRUVVA I AM
>tfw you realize wh40k lore is just Dune and Starship Troopers combined
>40k with the House Ordos
I'd play it
>not dnd in space
one job anon
That's Spelljammer though.
>chud stare.png
I want a cool Freeblade game bros. The Mobile game doesn't count
Why do all the battle sisters have white hair?
Do Orks really just 'believe' shit and it happens?
How do necrons have such crazy technology but arent in control of the galaxy?
How the frick are tyranids numbers so mind boggling massive?
Are the gods actual physical things or are they just 'energy' manipulating the warp and people with connections to it
Orks have low grade psychic abilities they aren't really aware of, so if a ton of them believe something, it becomes true. EX: they paint shit red cause "RED ONEZ GO FASTA" and they start going faster. Half of their technology doesn't even make mechanical sense and it only functions because they think it should.
>Why do all the battle sisters have white hair?
Not all do, but mostly aesthetic
>Do Orks really just 'believe' shit and it happens?
No, but if you want it to be that way no one really cares
>How do necrons have such crazy technology but arent in control of the galaxy?
Probably because a lot are still sleeping
>How the frick are tyranids numbers so mind boggling massive?
Rapid generation and growth, and they're from a different galaxy so the time scale is different for them, they've likely had may millennia of a headstart on us
>Are the gods actual physical things or are they just 'energy' manipulating the warp and people with connections to it
They exist but not in a way we can comprehend because we're not warp entities. "Physical" doesn't quite mean the same to them
>Why do all the battle sisters have white hair?
it's cosmetic. My guess would be that they are copying soem martyr/living saint whoever
>Do Orks really just 'believe' shit and it happens?
their WAAAAGH! energy (basically warp frickery) can make their shit work that shouldn't otherwise or make their tech work more effectively without it falling apart but it has some limitations. A fricking log won't turn into a minigun because they believed it
>How do necrons have such crazy technology but arent in control of the galaxy?
Internal conflicts, also a far share of them are still asleep. Their most harmful known superweapon is in the hands of a relatively peaceful dynasty.
>How the frick are tyranids numbers so mind boggling massive?
We don't know. They aren't from milky way. It's like the Dark Forest Theory on an intergalctic scale.
>I love warhammer 40k, ultra marines are so cool. The Emperor protects!
>huh? tabletop wargames with overpriced injection molded dolls? no thanks, that sounds stupid
Only forgivable if you're a hex and chit man instead. Otherwise I hope satan pisses on your face in hell.
still can't believe gw managed to work a anime pretty boy into this setting
It's not gay to think he's hot. We all think he's hot.
>hero has long flowing golden locks
>villain is a chromedome with a wild stare
>when you realize Sanguinius was easily the best Primarch
His speech in Echoes of Eternity is the kind of stuff only he could deliver and make you believe it.
>And if you wish for the truth, I will give it to you gladly, for you have earned that, too. It shames me to admit, but I would abandon this wall if I could. The primarch in me, the supposed demigod half of my heart, craves life with a ferocity that shames me. If I bowed to that instinct, I would take to the sky and never look back. But I cannot. I am half-human. And the human in me demands that I stay.
This is why
Doesn't get it.
BA Chads I kneel
>not because i can win but because it is right!
love that speech
>Eldargays here to complain again
Nobody gives a frick about your shitty npc xenos race, grow up and play a real faction.
why the frick didnt the emperor help angron
>eh one of them is defective, I still have 18 to work with
He was beyond saving
Somehow I can't imagine that the literal genius in every field of science with psychic powers to delete one's soul can't do shit about a hostile brain implant.
The explanation I recall is that the nails have literally carved away part of who he is. It's not that they're actively fricking him up. It's that they have replaced part of him with RAEG and to remove them would basically lobotomize him. Which honestly would have been a merciful thing.
The reality is simple. End times killed momentum for warhammer fantasy, so in a funny runabout way the ip became like the empire big and stagnant. Mostly to keep sales in books, models, and manuals up. It gotten so stagnant that they brought back 2 primarchs to actually have movement in the plot. The ip every once in a while needs to be freshen up or it would become a zombie. Rogue Trader does a nice job
The Orks aren't moronic, their Orks that's vastly different then being moronic
if Orks cant think thing into existence then how does all their shit work? how do they travel the warp safely?
Orks don't care, plus how they travel the warp safely is cause every mother fricker has had enough of them after that one Orks turned up and got Khrones favour. Which should make Angron nervous, but no chance Khrone will let go of his favourite toy to do what Ghaz must do
>that one Orks turned up and got Khrones favour. Which should make Angron nervous
Tuska Daemon Killa vs Angron would be a god tier story
the wwwaaaggghhhh to end all wwaaaggghhh'sss it would be fricking incredible wouldn't it
>how do they travel the warp safely?
That's for pansies real boys drive straight through the wildest warp storms just so they can have a fight on their way to a bigger fight.
>how do they travel the warp safely?
the daemons are more afraid of the Orks
>muh 40k is too deprezzing!!!!
Not even close. Guardsmen and Inquisitor crews find time to banter and fall in love even on the front lines. They actually use depressing scenarios to create good story moment a la The Lion forgiving a bulk of the traitors after he woke up. Rylanor's story is depressing but the main takeaway had nothing to do with it etc etc
>muh hive citiez
Most are fine and probably live better than your average American city, not every world is like Necromunda and eat only corpse starch. There are many maiden/pleasure/factory worlds out there as well.
>edgy
Like most fiction in history? Yeah I forgot that most abrahamic/pagan stories have no edgy content in it at all like a flood, or incest, murder, betrayal, disgusting things etc. and I bet it's not found in every medium to exist
>no good 40k writing
Contrarian virgins you need not reply to
>satirical parody
Only a 100 IQ balding redditor who has a fat wife with a leg tattoo could ever think of something so stupid. The series is 20 years old and it takes itself extremely seriously 90% of the time.
>critique on fascism
It's a loose "critique" on extremism, but when the enemies are soul raping demons and aliens it turns into a pro "fascism" (what morons think when they use that buzzword anyway) is
>le hoomanity are... le villains?
Nope. Soul raping demons and dangerous xenos actually are worse than the Imperium. The Tau don't value freedom and are controlled by an elite caste, they strip culture away and the Eldar are probably historically the most evil race. This is how to spot a redditor 101 disregard anything anyone says after they say this
>Salamanders are black
Charcoal coloured from their home planet being full of ash and them being part dragon
Bonus takes:
>CSM's a lot of the time have the same amount of personality and humanity as regular marines they just seldom show it because some writers are moronic
>Women don't belong in 40k besides the SoB
>Orks are the most reddit faction
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lion forgiving the traitors was one of the bigger surprises
Unlike Guilliman Lion was not in stasis. He is biologically 10k years older and apparently feels like it.
what are the big 40k happenings over the past year or two? i'm familiar with guilliman leading now and emp coming back to zap nurgle's ass for a minute and how the primarchs(?) or spess marines in totality were the retconned idea of some random mars woman and such
what about after that
whats that crazy tau chaos god up to
what are the orkz and nids doin
has the new eldar god incarnated yet
I think two primarks have returned, which is really the only notable thing in the lore, that is if you are willing to ignore yarrick being krumped by dat Angron git
>what about after that
new human faction, the league of votann
Lionel Johnson is back
>Leagues of Votann
>human
off to the gas chambers with you
please more replies
or i'm calling this sister of battle to frick you up
Should i play Rogue Trader if i like 40k and CRPGs but fricking hate Pathfinder?
I despised Pathfinder and think Rogue Trader is great. Setting and writing are both way better
>literally everything is overly edgy gross or depressing.
that's what makes it fun
so its implied to be a CSM? they did a shitty job, could have used some symbols
yeah, it's a death guard you can tell by the horn on his shoulder and the tubes but I think thats the point, thats why the dumb kid got confuse.
for the record, horns can grow out of loyalist SM as well
ngl i thought it was tubes or some shit but it does look a little nurgle like
>so its implied to be a CSM?
>doesn't see the horn growing through the pauldron nor the guts hanging out of the helmet or chest
Anon
At the beginning of every warhammer 40k novel it literally tells you to leave you expectations of hope and progress at the door. Don't know what you expected dude. The only reason everything isn't eaten by the nids yet is that GW needs to avoid another ends times scenario like with fantasy.
I like the deep fried one better
You have a very surface level understanding of storytelling, NPC.
Look I'm just a nid fan waiting for them to finally eat their fill.
just be like Doomrider
Do a frickton of coke and blow and ride the CUHRAZZZY TRAIN
Be a good person.
that's not profitable
>.how do people not get bored of the constant misery in its lore.
games workshop drip feeds a small amount of "positive" progress when the fans get too doomer pilled
that tides us over for a few years
You're on the right at the moment, and it's okay.
>Best Primarch
Fulgrim
>Best First Captain
Kharn
>Best Librarian
Mephiston
>Best Chapter Master
Dante
>Best Primarch
Sanguinius
>Best First Captain
Sigismund
>Best Librarian
I agree
>Best Chapter Master
Honestly yeah, Dante. I'd say Papa wolf is solid too and I like Helbrecht just because I'm a Templars player.
Sigismund is very solid and top 3 with Argel and Kharn
Is there reason that argenta and abelard just randomly go invisible when I enter the haemonculi coven?
Im here to warn you anons and ill say this only once, Alpharius and the Alpha Legion have infiltrated this thread.
Actually, I'm Alpharius and no we're not
Yes we are
Or are we?
We're not.
Loyal servant of the Imperium here, we checked, no Alpharius in this thread.
I wish it had a modicum of self-awareness.
>in the grim darkness of the far future there is only war
I mean that's their tagline what did you expect
>why is the setting that coined the term grimdark grim and dark?
won of wifes great mysterwies
It's cool for things to be fricked
I do think some people do get a little too attached to the grimdark thing though when they get legitimately upset at the idea of people having romantic relationships in the setting.
Everything in 40k sucks because some space Egyptians were mad that some space frogs wouldn't give them super science to live a super long time. The space Egyptians made a deal with space vampires so they could fight the space frogs, but they were betrayed and turned into robot space Egyptians.
The war between the space Egyptians/space vampires and space frogs literally broke the universe. It turned heaven into hell and created Chaos.
So everything is the Necron's fault.
you forgot that the space frogs made space elves and space orcs to fight the robot space egyptians and space vampires
and the space elves eventually had a galaxy wide orgy which made a new space satan
sounds like everything is the space frogs fault for not killing the space egyptians when they had the chance.
Or maybe they could have been nicer and just given the race of cancer patients something to help with their suffering?
Yeah but that's all only because of the Necron.
Everything was going great in the universe until the Necrontyr got pissy because they couldn't be bothered to work together to fix their own problems. And now the entire universe has to deal with Chaos, Nids, Orks, and Dark Eldar.
All because the Necrontyr were butthurt
?si=KtOu9cpL34wS6343&t=633 I'm posting it again.
that history lesson states the eldar existed alongside the old ones instead of being created by them
i don't know anymore what the current canon is, cause it makes a pretty big difference to the lore whether the old ones made the eldar or not
In the GRIM DARKNESS of the far future there is only war stupid homosexual
Can I play Rogue Trader so I can get into the lore and world of Warhammer? I will eventually buy the models but first I want to be immersed
It does the setting justice but it doesn't hold your hand much
Thanks
yes, it handles worldbuilding very well and so far it has been very true to the source material
it also has a lot of hyperlinks for things such as factions and events so you can get an idea of what people are talking about
Yes, RT has arguably the best written 40k story since it incorporates many aspects of the setting into one journey pretty much giving you an everything in one package while simultaneously not losing focus on the central driving plot.
>Literally no hope...how do people not get bored of the constant misery
Just like real life, then
My problem with 40k's unfailingly grimdark setting is that it's very cool once, and then repeats. Like trying to chew flavor back into a stick of gum. Ive tried a lot of 40k games since the first DoW, and maybe I could still enjoy it, but its done worse each time because it tries to lean more stoic/heroic with each iteration.
DoW (and maybe a tiny fraction of Boltgun) have been the only ones that get me at-all excited about 40k's universe, because all aspects are ratcheted up to meet the silly excesses of the lore. Everyone is a frothing, screaming maniac seeking the shortest path to their next murder, and the fact that theyre having fun is infectious. But it still avoids going self-referential or meta or fricking quippy to add contrasting levity at the expense of tone. They do just the right amount of hammy enthusiasm to hit a near perfect balance of dark/entertaining. Sure a few of the named human characters are stiff and fatherly and boring as all frick, but theyre far outweighed by the majority of units get audibly chubbed up about another fight. It's delivered seriously, yes, but not meant to be taken seriously.
DoW2, Darktide, and Space Marine are so goddamn BORING by comparison, because the personalities are so dialed back and really, really want you to take the characters seriously. It doesnt work for me, all it does is mute the colors on what's supposed to be a very extreme painting. Captain Titus being a calm and reserved chivalrous knight is so fricking lifeless, and ironically, it makes 40k seem like MORE of a manchild IP because these vanilla-ass characters read as a reserved seat for the player to project onto.
Every time I open a new 40k game on current trajectory, I know exactly what I'm going to get: the same shit Ive seen a dozen times, but now consumed with trying to prove its maturity and paradoxically tries to "ground" a fricking cartoon setting, like those Zack Snyder superhero movies, which terribly compromises the parts of it that DO work.
Becuase they cater to imperiumdrones who see le marine and start cheering, GW has conditioned them well. There's way more interesting parts of the lore and Rogue trader atleast has them
Play Mechanicus.
Go ahead and seethe, I like pockets of heroism in my grimdark.