Why was FFXIV the only MMO to survive the 2010s? What went so so right?
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Why was FFXIV the only MMO to survive the 2010s? What went so so right?
Why was FFXIV the only MMO to survive the 2010s? What went so so right?
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It's the perfect video game, and probably the best of all time
It wasn't, there are multiple active mmos right now. All of the major ones have seen a boost in playerbase except WoW.
blizzard is far left SJW thats why
So is Guild Wars 2, and they gained players.
>So is Guild Wars 2, and they gained players.
uh bro
all of blizzard's executives are right-wing government and big business
Isn't WoW still the most played MMO in the world?
world wide? No thats games like Lost Ark or BDO.
In the west yes. Classic is still strong and even fricked up retail has enough players.
XIV has just some forced fake hype from a loud minority (like all the lgbt gays).
The blizztroony cope is strong with this one
what the frick is wrong with you? I'm playing XIV by myself. But I'm not a delusional homosexual.
Why did you get upset?
>XIV has just some forced fake hype from a loud minority
How many people does that arena hold? Like 5,000?
Is that supposed to be a lot of players?
Looks like 7860.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makuhari_Messe
>Looks like 7860.
xxivtroonysisters.... not like this....
That's a concert. What's your point?
I went to Distant Worlds in 2019 with a group of 10 people. I was the only one in said group who had ever played an FF game.
>I went to Distant Worlds in 2019 with a group of 10 people. I was the only one in said group who had ever played an FF game.
Sounds like the XIV player base.
The only ff I played is some of tactics on the GBA and I love xiv.
That hasn't been the case in like 3-4 years
and by the time you get back to that, the 30s has already finished
>you ever notice that after about 30 minutes, some of your hardest fights are impossible to fail
nothing takes 30 minutes to fight, dumpass
>You can only press oGCD skills between GCDs which are usually cooldowns or fire and forgets.
>These are also few.
>This doesn't add anything to actual combat.
???????
how does mashing fireball fireball fireball add to combat, but fireball lightning fireball somethingelse fireball NOT?
No one will release numbers but WoW will always be #1 thanks to China.
Sweet. I played Fire Mage literally before stopping to go to Dragoon and Ninja so I am uniquely able to answer this and wreck you.
Dragoon is literally just 1 2 3 with buff/fire forget damage oGCDs thrown in latency willing
Fire Mage is more than fireball spam. Fireball is literally baseline with reactionaly rotation if/or rotational changes and the lovely lack of GCD has you running a rotation beween your rotation.
Sorry for this bud. *hands some burn ointment* ^^
Majority of 14's classes are just 1-2-3 with ogcds inbetween. I prefer 14 but no idea why anyone would suggest otherwise or act like 14s combat is fun or unique.
>Dragoon is literally just 1 2 3 with buff/fire forget damage oGCDs thrown in
please
i beg of you
explain to me the difference between a "fire and forget" ogcd and whatever dumb unique shit you think is in a "Fire Mage" that does something other than damage or a buff/debuff when you cast it.
I sincerely hope you're talking about some WoW class and not Black Mage.
You also conveniently forgot ninja after getting dragoon wrong anyway
My Dragoon was 100% accurate and you know it. A fire and forget ogcd is one that is just a damage. It does nothing else. It doesn't feed into a rotation and combo. Dragoon's jumps are perfect examples of this. Only Jump itself actually feeds into progressive damage but as it's a literally press ASAP it hardly matters.
Meanwhile all of Fire's feed into prolonging or forcing Hot Streak
Ninja isn't much more impressive. It'd be much cooler and impressive if the GCD didn't exist or chakra were off the GCD. Instead Ninja is basically baby's first Sub Rogue since it's literally just buff up at the start, hide, then blow your load then AFK with 1/2/3 until load is ready to be blown again.
>A fire and forget ogcd is one that is just a damage. It does nothing else. It doesn't feed into a rotation and combo.
>Meanwhile all of Fire's feed into prolonging or forcing Hot Streak
So you're saying
>Jump > mirage dive > geirskogul > nastrond > stardiver
is pointless and adds nothing to the game but
>fire > hot streak
is peak class design?
>Ninja cooler if the GCD didn't exist
motherfricker the mudras used to not be on the GCD and they had to add it to the GCD because the class was murdering people's fingers.
>motherfricker the mudras used to not be on the GCD and they had to add it to the GCD because the class was murdering people's fingers.
Catering to casuals. Bad look.
>casualssssss
as a "hardcore" ninja from back in the day i fricking hated it
same goes for having half a hotbar of enmity skills
>Mirage Drive
OGCD damage, no rotation pertinence besides free damage
>Geirskogul
OGCD damage, free damage. No rotational pertinence INB4 b-b-but eye of the dragon. No. Eye of the dragon literally just renames your abilities and adds damage. Nothing changes.
>Nastrond
Renamed Geirskogul
>Stardriver
OGCD damage, no rotation pertinence besides free damage
>Mirage Drive
>no rotation pertinence besides free damage
do you
are you serious
Nevermind lets just end it here, i'm arguing with an actual idiot. You win, I concede.
>Good story
>Cute girls
>11/10 soundtrack
>Generally nice playerbase (inb4 trannies)
>Don't have to play it every fricking day to keep up
>Roulette system means there are always people to play old dungeons/raids/trials with
Why do people draw hentai of Y'shtola as brown, when she is clearly tanned white.
Because they're butthurt they don't have "representation" because nobody finds mutts and nigs attractive.
>>Good story
its boring and way cliche
>>Cute girls
hideos doll like graphics
soundtrack
its really bland and boring compered to every other ff game
nice playerbase (inb4 trannies)
its an mmo i 100% assume this is false
>>Don't have to play it every fricking day to keep up
everyone i know whos into seems to play it everyday to keep up
system means there are always people to play old dungeons/raids/trials with
shit progression
XIV literally wasn't on anybody's radar until its third expansion because WoW was shitting the bed
it scraped along being the underdog waiting for everybody else to shoot themselves in the foot
It's not a MMO
It's an online JRPG with a community full of Second Life tumblrites who literally pay subs to stand around in [trendy city-state] and chat around all day
So what you are saying is there are wierdos that instead of going out for free they pay to talk to videogane people ????
I don't understand why they don't just play vrchat for free
Why do they feel the need to shit up the game by erping?
The fact that it's just one long JRPG is what I've loved about it since the beginning, and glad I stuck around with it since beta 2010.
The ones that completely elude me are the people who are literally AFK 24/7. They pay a monthly fee to just have their character stand in one spot doing the beesknees dance all day.
They're usually tabbed out playing league or some shit, just waiting for people to tell them they look cute so they can screenshot the message.
Probably one of the best JRPGs I've ever played.
>mmo has no social aspect
>RuneScape tier silence and zero community beyond circle jerking Ecelebs
>mmo has social aspect
>”troony troony troony FRICK YOU TUMBLRITE TRANNIES I FRICKING HATE EVERYONE THAT SPEAKS”
I hate them too anon but come the frick on.
>mmo has social aspect
FFXIV social elements are objectively worse than VR Chat. Also FF14 social elements have literally nothing to do with the core mmo gameplay, it's just shitty modeling software (housing) + a chat box.
VRchat is made to be a social game dipshit of course the mmo is going to have worse socialization
FFXIV doesn't even have built in voice chat, you have to use discord to communicate with people through any means other than text lmao. Even fricking New World has built in voice chat.
It’s an MMO why would you want built in voice chat
Voice chat is the most obvious, baseline feature for a socially focused game. Not sure how you didn't know that.
It’s an MMO
Yes, it's part of the socially focused MMO genre, correct.
No it’s an MMO not a social game.
The community has a social vibe to it which is great but there are no extra mechanics in place for it to be called a strictly social game. You’re comparing apples to tampons and based on how fricking stupid you sound I can guess which one you eat.
>No it’s an MMO not a social game.
MMOs are social games. How did you not know that?
No they’re not. They’re MMOs. Social games are social games.
>No they’re not.
Of course they are. Am I being memed? Surely no one is actually as moronic as you're pretending to be.
the entire point of an mmo is the social gameplay environment, moron.
>new world has it
Oh if new world has it then frick everybody else should hop on it I mean shit new world is so great and all
homosexual
people have always done this with MMOs though, it's literally nothing new
>It's not a MMO
>It's an online JRPG with a community
so an MMO
This is actually unironically true and FFXIV troons would admit it if they were honest.
it is true. with the stipulation that this particular kind of player exists in all mmos. its just a much higher percentage in xiv so its more noticeable
It's true. xiv does have more women and usual.
i'll give you credit for waiting two hours to respond to yourself
bros why are they so perfect...
You just ruined madoka for me
have a nice day
don't be jealous of their love
I want Gaia to suck my dick.
My WoL will provide the semen for their first child!
This got me to think. If you impregnate two lesbian mothers and their children are born at the same time, are they still twins despite having two different mothers?
No twinning is solely dependent on intra-wombal development.
It barely presents as an mmo, more as just another FF game but with multiplayer dungeons and creating your own OC you can play dressup with. Turns out that's all most people want, a social game with some fun stuff to do.
It has endgame raids and such but you rarely feel any sort of pressure to actually engage with this, it's usually just harder versions of stuff you've already done with some extra bling as a reward.
Nor do you feel pressured to log in and do a laundry list of chores every day just to keep up with those around you. In fact there is very little stuff that actually resets daily that is worth the effort to engage with. This is key because it means a lot less burnout, you aren't pressured to log in when you don't feel like it and in fact you can easily not log in at all for weeks and not worry because catching back up is trivial and fast. In a genre which is plagued by games that feel like jobs it's refreshing, I can actually play other shit.
The story also helps a lot, it's not the best story ever written and any xivgay that says it is has never picked up a book in their lives. But it's decent and more importantly helps make it feel on your first time playing that you aren't simply going through the motions for 30 hours just to reach the endgame hamster wheel. It's engaging early on.
It's also a journey you only have to make once because you only have or need one character. Other games with alts often don't have a lot of account wide progress or it's poorly done. Levelling from 1 to cap is usually fun the first couple of times, not the 5th or 6th. While levelling new jobs in xiv is still the most boring shit you could possibly do it's leagues better, faster and more convenient than making a new character in most other mmos. It also helps the social aspect again because you have only one identity not a dozen.
Fricking mega moron raidlogging its what burns raiders
>more as just another FF game but with multiplayer dungeons
As a lifelong FFgay, I'm going to say it's more than that, it's a return to form for how the franchise was in its old golden days on that front, because for the last twenty years or so "just another FF game" has meant trash like the XIII line and XV and god knows what fricking else. XIV harkens back to what the old games were like a LOT more, far more adventurous and colorful and just generally fantastic with just enough of a dash of silliness to help the fun tone without being grating and ridiculous, helped by the fact that it makes full use of what the franchise has built over the years by bringing back tons of concepts, bosses, character designs, etc. to use in its own ways, and that's part of the appeal too.
The reason why I got in the fricking game in the first place was because of the Omega raids and seeing news about how "holy shit, you get a gauntlet of fighting just about a bunch of the old iconic FF final bosses in this, I want to fricking do that".
>XIV harkens back to what the old games were like a LOT more, far more adventurous
>far more adventurous
Damn fricking right, not "look at us we're a thrilling fugitive story with high stakes! Exploring the world? What world?" like XIII nor "har har we're starting the game with you pushing a car in a lame fricking sequence while we talk about how it's a stupid way to start an adventure but it's okay because we're ironic about it" XV
Yeah. Guess what, Ganker's shitty post-ironic "I have to say I'm too cool and mature to enjoy things because I am 14 and the other kids make of me at lunch break" micropenis bullshit has no power over me.
Love the games. Love fricking seeing wolfbros from the early games used as npcs in Stormblood. Love them adapting Exdeath, Kefka, Chaos, etc. etc. as raid fights. Love having Cloud of Darkness back. Love the Weapons, love Omega, love Alexander, and love what you said, too, Warring Triad, Knights of the Round, etc. Love a franchise that celebrates its own fricking history while the core of its writing is still original. They're smart about doing it in moderation.
The fact that Castrum Abania's second boss is a 1:1 model reference to the Kefka's Tower final boss does fricking nothing but make it a more memorable dungeon to me and I actively PREFER that to them having made it some character I had never seen before.
>Yeah. Guess what, Ganker's shitty post-ironic "I have to say I'm too cool and mature to enjoy things because I am 14 and the other kids make of me at lunch break" micropenis bullshit has no power over me.
It has nothing to do with being post-ironic or trying to act too cool to enjoy shit. Omega's boss line up is fricking lazy because they don't bother at all to make it feel like a part of the world. It's just fricking Dissidia model ports and handwaved excuses. The WEAPONs, Alexander, the primals, those are all properly done references because they all fit into the world. They all have their own place and an identity within THIS game. Exdeath doesn't, Kefka doesn't, Chaos doesn't.
>le small penis energy xD
Extremely feminine post.
Isn't that kind of the point, though? The only way that they could make a "Best Hits" raid line line that WOULD be by making it disconnected and standalone as just a "huh, I suppose we're fighting these things now" raid concept.
Think about it, ExDeath and ESPECIALLY Kefka are way too iconic and unique designs, they really can't be repurposed as regular characters you include in a plot. It's like trying to make a XIV character of Sephiroth, the original source of it is "too big to fit canon", so to speak.
But also, hey, maybe you're right, I never played the new Dissidia so I don't know what's just a model port and what isn't. Also I misunderstood your meaning somewhat. Sorry for that.
>It's like trying to make a XIV character of Sephiroth, the original source of it is "too big to fit canon", so to speak.
The walk-through-fire is there, but that's not Sephiroth's model with Sephiroth's name on it, Anon, that's the point. I don't think they could bring THE CHARACTER into XIV in any way that were not an overt and explicit crossover event.
>but that's not Sephiroth's model with Sephiroth's name on it, Anon, that's the point.
Yeah but that's my point. Nael is a Sephiroth reference without just flat out being Sephiroth. They could have done Exdeath and Kefka bosses without it just being Exdeath and Kefka. Though they did exactly that with Ultimecia and most of the playerbase shit their pants because they didn't get who Artemis(ia) was supposed to be.
I think that at that point you're kind of dilluting the coolness of the original concept too much for it to really be called a wholesale reference. It's really cool to see fricking Demon, Fiend and Goddess there on the platform for you to fight, it gives you that feeling of "holy frick, I just beat the Warring Triad of VI in a modern fight". A Nael fight wouldn't bring comparable kinds of feelings in a player, I don't think, or at least not in me.
Not to say every reference needs to be in-your-face like that, that we need to get rid of Nael and bring in Sephioth, to use an extreme example. I just think all the way these ideas and concepts are utilized can be equally satisfying, from the Thordan fight being Knights of the Round, to Hien being basically Cyan's son grown up, to Omega's bare naked "here's a fight with a train, homosexual, go and enjoy it, and we're gonna thank you for saving Doma at the end and, nope, we ain't explaining shit".
Hell, the Eden raid series could have benefitted a lot from being written more the way you are talking about things being done, come to think of it.
>it's a "I RECOGNIZED THAT I CLAPPED" gay
The Omega bosses are absolute shit. The best references in XIV are the ones that fit naturally into the world and have their own identity within it, like Nael, Thordan, and the Warring Triad.
>it's a return to form for how the franchise was in its old golden days on that front
Not really. Dungeons had significantly better design in the SNES era. Also, better music, and weren't overwhelmed with pointless verbosity and endless cutscenes.
This. Old FF games had short and straight to the point dialogues and not endless text walls about nothing and strange looking emotes
>more illiterate wowBlack folk getting filtered by based Koji
You love to see it.
What do you think I read incorrectly?
>watch wow refugee streamer do msq
>t-the d-dog... jumped of-over the f-f-fence
>mongoloid westerners inserting cringe references in japanese games is cringe but not if it's done in my game
I like FF14, i played it for around 700 hours but the localisation is shit.
Koji works in the Japanese office the next desk over from the Japanese writers and collaborates with them.
>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE SILLY QUEST NAMES
Are you that one "professional writer" that's been streaming ARR and absolutely seething anytime urianger speaks?
Who? Sounds funny
I don't know, I only watched for a few minutes after hearing about her.
I-Is that purple prose?! AHHHHHHHH MY BRAIN IS BEING OVERLOADED! DON'T THEY KNOW ALL TEXT SHOULD BE 140 CHARACTERS OR LESS?!
>I-Is that purple prose?! AHHHHHHHH MY BRAIN IS BEING OVERLOADED! DON'T THEY KNOW ALL TEXT SHOULD BE 140 CHARACTERS OR LESS?!
You can write good prose without pointless verbosity, obviously. With each post you continue exposing yourself as a non-reader LARPing as a reader, and it's extremely funny.
Look, fat. You don't have to tell me about what good writing is. I'm a professional writer. Has someone paid YOU to write something? I don't think so.
>You don't have to tell me about what good writing is.
Evidently I do.
> I'm a professional writer.
Sure you are, little guy.
Braindead post.
I'm not, but they're right. Early Urianger is straight up koji fox jerking himself off at the detriment of everyone else.
Being literate means understanding when text is useful and understanding when it isn't. Most of the time FFXIV dialogue could say the same thing in the 1/8th the time. Any competent editor would see the text in this game and have an aneurysm.
Shit the entirety of ARR is just a bunch of polite British nerds agreeing that they need to do something but then not actually doing anything until the last few hours of the plot. I genuinely don't understand how it ever caught on. I'm kind of glad it did, mind you, but it's a goddamn wonder how dull it is to start.
riot mmo is doa if it doesn't incorporate casual content like ff does, the old eq/wow model of raid or die is just done and dead, no one wants that shit anymore except lifers who can't grow up and move on
Raiding is the most popular content in FFXIV besides the MSQ though.
Final Fantasy 11 is just now shutting down after about 20 years or so of service.
I think they just nailed what a japanese MMORPG is and should be.
>Final Fantasy 11 is just now shutting down after about 20 years or so of service.
source?
I thought I read something about it shutting down until the end of this year but they were most likely rumors based on the game's current situation.
Sorry for spreading wrong info.
>Why was FFXIV the only MMO to survive the 2010s? What went so so right?
decandence of other mmorpgs namely WoW and blizzard scandals.
most fluid combat in an MMO helps
FFXIV combat feels like swampy molasses.
oh no no no
>Fluid combat
>GCD
being able to spam all of your abilities at once with zero restriction sounds like the worst game design imaginable.
You can have no GCD without having a LE MASH EVERYTHING. WoW and FF14 literally have the same combat but WoWs just isn't restricted by nonsensical GCDs that just slows everything down. It's this set-up that actually made FF14s design the more cancer of the two because "peak" play is being supremely low latency to stuff GCD windows with as much non-GCD as possible rather than having intelligent rotations with intuitive flow.
barry post
Intelligent rotations : Slash and dice, slash and dice...
Intelligent rotations: immolate, conflagrate, chaos bolt, immolate, conflagrate, chaos bolt, immolate, conflagrate, chaos bolt, immolate, conflagrate, chaos bolt, immolate, conflagrate, chaos bolt
>You can have no GCD without having a LE MASH EVERYTHING.
Not really. Even in games without hotbars, there is almost always a cooldown period following an attack.
>This is peak gameplay
Art team carrying.
no wait
Combat design team carrying.
seems like what you would get from black mage, what is the issue?
Not every class is Arcane Mage tier but it's almost punch or punch the same as a black mage lol
Yeah black mage doesn't have paradox, fire 3, thunder 3, blizzard 3, blizzard 4, or xenoglossy
>WoWs just isn't restricted by nonsensical GCDs that just slows everything down
Except that not only is it restricted by a 1s GCD but literally everything is on said GCD and on top of that "rotations" consist of spamming 1 button in between 3-5 minute cooldowns. And if you're a caster you don't even have a 1s GCD because most spells have a >GCD cast time.
why respond to an old post with blatant lies??
>literally everything is on said GCD
This isn't true. They removed oGCDs in BFA but brought them back in Shadowlands.
that's a weird way to say TERA
GCDtards outing themselves as having no idea how the game plays at high level
Oh, tell me more. I didn't know at high level play the GCD disappears. Please enlighten us. I quit bothering with 14 PvE after I realized it wasn't a game of reaction and skill but memorization and trial and error.
They don't want you to know this but you can press other buttons during the GCD
>a game of reaction and skill
so clearly not WoW, right?
Unless by reaction you mean reaction to
BWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONK
RUN AWAY LITTLE GIRL, RUN AWAY
BWEEE BWEE BWEEEEEEEEEEEE
If you want reaction and skill go play Ter- oh wait
Go play Vindict- ah shit, wait hold on
uhhh
>aw geez, let me use my once every 30 second button, after my 60 second and 90 second button
>man this game where I press the same pattern for every encounter is intense
I've never played WoW, but you guys who act like anything in this game is intense or difficult are insufferable--you ever notice that after about 30 minutes, some of your hardest fights are impossible to fail from a blind start if everyone in your pt pays attention? It's because the game is pattern recognition.
>you ever notice that after about 30 minutes, some of your hardest fights are impossible to fail from a blind start if everyone in your pt pays attention?
This isn't the case at all. Why go on the internet and make up lies?
Please list the the Extreme or even Savage that takes several hours to consistently clear in the state that the game is in now. I guarantee you there aren't more than 5 whose difficulty isn't based on punishing the guy who didn't remember the pattern.
Typical convo
>Hey new to the fight, any heads up?
>yeah when he blinks move right and when he whips his dick out go left
>when the sun rises stack
>and when he starts jiving seperate
>don't forget your clock position
>and we can burn this guy
This is literally 90% of sub-ultimate content with a few gimmicks that just require you to follow a flowchart. There is no skill required to beat most content.
>extremes
>some of your hardest fights
lmao
You missed my point completely. That or you're trying to convince me that a grand total of 6 fights made the 700 hour investment in one of the corniest stories ever written, literal straight line dungeons, and unfinished content to get to them is the point of this game? Because if that's what you're doing, then I hate to break this to you, but you're playing a shitty game and are no better than the "it gets better 20 hours in" gays. All content outside of those few fights is pattern recognition. The best gunbreaker is barely better than every other gunbreaker at his ilvl, same with WHM, WAR and just about every other class that isn't a dps, and square seems to be working really hard to make sure that DPS classes follow that pattern soon.
>700 hour investment
Do you have brain damage? That could possibly explain why it took you 700 hours to finish the MSQ, and also why you think Extremes are the hardest content.
>what is hyperbole
Bozja and Eureka are the only good parts of this shitty game. Hell, I fell asleep during the first Labyrinthos questline and through most of everything between Lakeland and Ahm Areng because FFXIV is FRICKING BORING, so I probably added a few hours.
*between Lakeland and Rak'tika
>>what is hyperbole
Something Americans overuse in language to the point of absurdity.
It's wild how people can so confidently make things up about games they've never played. Is this the result of the streamer generation?
Who's making shit up? I've been playing this game since 2012. This game is insanely overrated. The difference between some of us is that we're not addicts who can look at the game objectively. This game was good until Shadowbringers made it so that only morons were allowed to have fun.
>put 2k hours into a game
>spend a month crying about it on Ganker
And I'll keep posting it, because you frickers are a circle jerk of a community and make talking about the game awful.
>And I'll keep posting it
More like you'll keep crying about it. You're whining. This is whining. For over a month at that. Own up and call what you're doing for what it is before you continue to try to selfishly convince others into adopting your jaded outlook. Clearly people enjoyed the experience and you didn't, and that's fine; calling people moronic and 'addicts' and pointing out things you dislike like a crybaby won't magically change their minds. It isn't black and white.
NTA, by the way.
>Get told that they didn't play the game
>post proof that they did
>attack that instead of posing an argument
FFXIV hostages everyone.
they're genuinely insane
And it's so sad because the game used to genuinely be so good and watching changes that make a game worse over time get celebrated is a tragedy.
>steam
>shitty phone pic instead of screenshot
fricking WHY
This board has been seething over this game for over a decade. The more popular the more the schizos sperg out.
You can only press oGCD skills between GCDs which are usually cooldowns or fire and forgets. These are also few. This doesn't add anything to actual combat. It'd be different if most had high impact like Paladin, but most don't. Most aren't.
Also even with add-ons WoW is still more reactive because you still have to react. FF14 is largely a dance with steps and you usually have to be on your mark before mechanic - hence memorization.
Blade and Soul is still alive but that game reeks of f2p with p2w microtransactions so bad
FFXIV is comfy tab targeting BUT not fluid at all.
>tab targeting
>animation locks out the whazoo which are further extended based on your ping to the server
>2.5 sec global cd
>pvp is the clunkiest shit ever
I like ff14 but come on now.
I've been playing since ARR Beta 3 and they keep removing oGCD's and I'm finally feeling the 2.5GCD meme.
play monk already
>remove most positionals and the appeal of MNK to me right along with it
Because frick having to move around and have a challenge, right?
Thankfully Ninja fills that gap
I formed that opinion because I've been playing MNK since ARR...
Lalafell thighs
How did 14 survive and WoW didn't?
More bad 14 expansions than bad WoW expansions and FF14 release DOA and was a dead shitfest until halfway into the decade.
wow has been known to be shit tier since Mists of pandaria, that's a fact
MoP and Legion were GOAT'd with the sauce. WoD was okay. Not BFA bad.
So you started wow after pandashit came out.
Underage gay go away
Nah played since Vanilla. Sorry you have bad taste.
MoP was objectively the best WoW expansion, though.
Tbc, cataclysm, draenor, shadowlands , dragonflight it has more bad expansions than xiv expansions
Tell me one good XIV expansion where the way to new endlevel is not just cutscenes and boring text.
It's like reading a VN.
Noooo the Japanese RPG is making me learn about the story noooooooo
The story is pretty corny. Even then, you guys post the same 3 cutscenes when you talk about how AMAZING the story is. Frick off.
You learn nothing. It's just on rails. No mystery and no adventure.
We're talking the 2010s which included the back end of ICC, Cata, MOP, WoD, Legion, and BFA
Only WoD and BFA are bad.
14 only had Shadowbringers at the tail end of the '10s that was good. Stormblood and Heavans were dogshit.
To be fair, I tried FFXIV long before the Great Exodus or anything. It was growing on its own merit. I remember the screenshots of the game being posted on /wowg/ and how alien I thought the game looked.
I initially tried it in Stormblood but I was a cutscene skipper and grew bored quick and quit at lv 17. After Shadowbringers came out and I saw people praising it for the story, I tried it a 2nd time and watched every MSQ cutscene and it was good enough to kill time until eventually I was hooked(I think the Garuda trial was the turning point). After that I was balls deep in the game, using my exp buff to level every job to 50-60 before touching stormblood.
Now I'm a FFXIV neckbeard. I have all the savage mounts, a bunch of rare and hard to get titles and mounts that require NEET level grinds. I'm halfway done with one ultimate and 90% done with another.
WoW burned me hard in shadowlands. I went back to play with all the boys from my younger days and we all got burnt at the exact same time lol.
WoW hasn't 'survived' because it hasn't been able to reclaim it's peak of popularity it had during Cataclysm despite millions of more people getting into PC gaming. FF14 hasn't achieved anything as remarkable so people can't say it has died in a comparable way. The genre is just stagnant, MOBA's and battle royale's are still going strong and get millions of players, even gachashit like Genshin is as much as a visual novel as FF14 and that has millions of more players too. Seeing the pissing contest that FF14 and WoW still have against eachother despite every other genre getting millions of new players while they're both managing to lose players is embarrasing
That's nonsense. By that metric, mobile games are the most successful things out there right now. Not to mention games like minesweeper which came with Windows OS.
Not really, mobile games are successful but obviously unless it's OSRS they're not what i'm comparing them to. FF14 is a literal console game and can't muster the same numbers as a MMO from nearly a decade ago. WoW continues to lose players year by year despite more people having access to PC gaming.
Instructions unclear, enjoying XI instead
It actually appeals to what the casual market wants instead of what executives think the causal market wants.
Competence killed itself with wokeness , bad ideas and eating much that their severs and themselves can handle
Albion Online is doing better than all of them lmao
>BDO
>Lost Ark
And FFXIV is no MMO. It's a Visual Novel with a little bit mmo-lite gameplay. The raids are just the same as a trial. Just a arena and nothing more.
Frick Yewish-P
Death to Sultana, kill the little bawd
Kill Milfina too and then frick her in the butt
Frick Alphinaud, death to Y'shtola Rhul
They can kiss each other on their camel toe
Emet-Selch a gay, so is Nabriales
Shooting hot sperm on each others' chest
did the stat squish make level 60 content harder? I've been getting alexander and void ark raids lately and I've started seeing mechanics I've never seen before and actually have to do them. I've had like 4 dun scaiths in the past 2 weeks and all 4 of them were shitshows where the healers had to drag the raid through dozens of deaths on scathach and diabolos.
it appeals to people that don’t like mmos, which is a much larger marketing demographic than people that do, by being single player and brain dead easy to progress in
>"bigger" demographic
>never more than 900k active subs
game is on life support
Because it decided to be a movie with MMO mechanics instead of an actual MMO.
>Ganker getting hyped about cutscene packs getting released every few years
Shit's trash for people with bad taste, and look at where we are.
Wasn't it something?
What's the bottom pic?
What will the next projected ten years of the game be about? Will we rebuild Garlemald? Travel to all the other shards? Become God Emperor of Eorzea?
>no Maehiro
>no Ishikawa
>no Koji
It's gonna be shit so who cares?
Koji is only away temporarily for XVI
No Ishikawa can only be a good thing
>temporarily
>next ten years
If they follow through with that the MSQ will be so long that it won't even be worth it for new players to join the game anymore.
Fortunately they won't follow through with it.
>If they follow through with that the MSQ will be so long that it won't even be worth it for new players to join the game anymore.
>video game has TOO much content
game has TOO much content
Have you ever played an Ubisoft open world game like Assassin's Creed or Far Cry? Where there's a massive world with TONS of stuff to do? The thing is 90% of it is shit no one cares about and the only reason anyone forces themselves to grind it out is to get some achievement. So yes, a game can have too much content, and many do. Unless it's consistently fun to play good content then it's too much.
FFXIV has way too much content as it is and if the past is anything to go by then the future will make it even worse. The MSQ is probably about 40% padding with boring shit no one enjoys doing but they're forced to to progress (ie "go collect six of this"/"go click on these three spots on the map then come back"/"talk to npc, then another, then another, repeat for hours"). Not even the most ardent FFXIV fan will deny this.
Not that anon but your analogy is shit because the "content" in ubishit games is just shitting markers on a map, while in xiv the content is actual content.
Bullshit dude. Clicking on sparkles and reading a cutscene isn't content. Try naming some good content that isn't a cutscene or a straight line. There isn't much of it.
It's true, sister. For instance, when I was doing eureka for the weapon glamour I thought to myself that they should've made it way faster, or given you an alternate path to upgrading the gear since the content was old. In hindsight though, I'm glad they didn't completely trivialize it with exp buffs because doing eureka was actually kind of fun. I still haven't finished it because I fricked off once I got the weapon glam I wanted, but still.
>in ubishit games is just shitting markers on a map
FFXIV is exactly the same. Half the MSQ quests are literally "go to icon on the map and click this spot, repeat six times, go back to original icon on map and click NPC for quest complete."
The only difference is I don't need to keep giving Ubisoft money every month while I clear out those icons.
>FFXIV is exactly the same
sigh
it's really not bro. all the content in xiv is wrapped up in story. even unlocking the function to dye gear is a short little quest with dialog.
>I don't fricking care about story!
then xiv just isn't a game for you.
Yea, if you're not into the story, the MSQ can be a drag. But if you are, it's an endless buffet of lore to feast on.
I love the world and lore of XIV and still think that the MSQ is shit.
How odd.
True, but if you enjoy the MSQ, I don't know why you wouldn't be into all the other myriad side stories.
Because the quality of writing in FFXIV is hardly consistent. Side trial questlines and Bozja are leagues ahead in storytelling vs. the msq where you might have to do 10 dogshit quests with cutscenes inbetween that actual good parts of the story. Even when I suggest it to friends, I almost immediately tell them to just buy a skip. The good parts are in the side content and the MSQ would hardly change if 200 quests were removed.
>defends MSQ while posting a cutscene from an early Bozja quest that setups up 100+ hours of content with minimal story
Kinda disingenuous, but maybe you posted that on accident.
Pretty sure they said this was the last expansion?
Are you stupid?
I just hope we don't have to do Ala Mhigo restoration. Man, FRICK Ala Mhiggers.
Just wait until the MMO killer Josh Strife Hayes makes a vid about
The game will crash and burn like all the games he reviewed
honeslty i wonder what he will say, he might not have the nerve to shit on something so popular, and with ffs cult like following
Didn't he already make xiv videos? I know he's played it at least.
he is already on the record as to saying that he thinks narrative driven game like XIV doesn't fit mmos. he's a sandbox fan
Arguing with 14 hostages is pointless. A more blunderous release than the TORtanic only to be re-released as a freeware tier MMORPG that ended up with only 1 good expansion.
I am not saying WoW is perfect merely that 14 is hot garbage. When it finds success it's not because it's good at the time - merely because WoW isn't.
I wouldn't really call it an MMO, its a Japanese Destiny
Whenever I give XIV a try I always feel like I'd have more fun playing SWTOR instead. And I haven't played SWTOR in like 7 years. What makes XIV better than SWTOR?
Literally nothing unless you prefer animu over bioware lite
XIV has much better annual events
People should actually talk about what seta different MMOs apart from one another rather than just screeching GOOD or BAD at each other.
>o/
>o/
>hiii!
>o/
>hhihi
>o7
>o/
>o7
>o7
aww are you shy? just say hi, anon!
If trannies looked like that, no one would have a problem with them.
Well that's what they look like in-game silly
there are no trannies in game, silly.
oh my bad, you are right. nothing but cute girls everywhere i look!
>noticing more and more trannies with their she/her him/he plates on Materia
>they're all from NA
go back homosexuals
>why the frick is everyone acting so nice? I know these homosexuals would be calling me Black person and moron if there wasn't a ban hanging over their heads!
/laliho
>"Why are people talking to each other in an mmo?!?"
"talking"
In the past 500 dungeons I've done I can only recall a handful of times where the party said anything other than 'o/' and 'tyfp'
It really is Runescape-tier isolation like another anon here said, the community avoids one another like the plague unless they're in a city-state
Let me guess, aether?
different anon but it's a game-wide problem (well at least in the west, won't speak for japs)
t. cerberus
EU data center here, i met alot of nice people in dungeons, you gotta break the ice and meme without being cringe bro
It's tricky balance, on one hand, most people who go into a dungeon aren't looking for conversation, they just want to get the damn dungeon done, I would assume. But at the same time it's the bare minimum of politeness to at least say hello to them at the start and thank them at the end once you're done. But repeat that over the course of a long enough period of time, and it just ends up feeling mechanic, especially when people always talk in the exact same fricking way, and in short hand, too. Though I do like when you get a dungeon where actually there is some nice interaction with other people, and I am someone who's been leveling EVERY job to 90 so I'm doing a WHOLE LOT of those fricking things
I've talked in like 50% of my dungeon runs as fresh sprout, most people are almost begging to start some convo with you and I play in EU, where people typically don't ever talk to others
For me it depends on what Job I'm playing. If I'm playing DRG, typing anything fricks up a 1+ minute rotation.
Only reason you get that every time is they're too scared of a ban to say anything else, and for good reason considering how vague the ToS is now. XIVtrannies effectively killed the game's social component with their forced nicety meme
man you're really desperate huh
Why are you even playing an MMO?
Do you shit your pants when people use o/ in EVE Online as well?
See
>tyfp
imagine playing on NA servers
>tfw silent chad
I only talk to my FC.
i don't like wowo wawa or ziv
i like gear progression but i'd rather just sit and read wikis of ziv lore all day than play through msq, also housing sucks
mmo where the daily endgame is just 4 player parties wandering the world and exploring as patches bring new events to towns and stuff please with all the other typical shit on the side please
all i want is to always have new gear to work towards and erp
It's barely a MMO it's a single player game with online co-op.
A-Are those.. words? AAAAAIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE IM GOING INSAAAANE LOLORITO-SAMA OF THE EAST ALDENARD TRADING COMPANY HELP MEEEEEE
W-Where's the twitter length text that summarizes what I'm supposed to do... oh god, don't tell me there isn't one. THIS IS MADNESS! I'M ACTUALLY BEING EXPECTED TO READ, AND ABOVE AN ELEMENTARY LEVEL! I WON'T STAND FOR THIS!
Why is it so hard for you morons to understand that pointless verbosity is in fact a bad writing habit? It has nothing to do with literacy. The length of the text itself is irrelevant, what's relevant is what the text is able to convey within that time frame.
>Why is it so hard for you morons to understand that pointless verbosity is in fact a bad writing habit?
This. Stuff like Tolkien is way too complex and not inclusive enough.
Blue bros.. it's almost time for moogle farming. We'll show everyone just how great we really are.
When you create a character in FFXIV, do you select your sex/gender or your "body type"?
How long until they change that? One year?
XIV only survived because it was rebooted back in 2013
Zones:
WoW
Story:
WoW up to/till Shadowbringers
Music:
Zone/Atmo: WoW
Pivotal/Themed: 14
PvP:
WoW
PvE:
WoW
Side Activities:
WoW
Collecting:
14
*As voted on by the council of chads
>Zones:
>WoW
FF14 zones are so bad it's almost embarrassing.
Yeah, I can't honestly think of one that makes me go, "yeah that was pretty cool."
are you moronic? FFXIV has the best looking zones of all mmos. cope harder wow troony
>FFXIV has the best looking zones of all mmos.
lmao. they actually believe this too.
Nothing wrong with your screenshot. FFXIV zones are full with soul and good art style
2/10
The really fricked up thing is that they gave us this right after the solo instance in Cid's memory that's one of the coolest looking areas in the game.
>the solo instance in Cid's memory that's one of the coolest looking areas in the game.
You mean background. The only good looking thing in Cids memory was the background.
You somehow managed to post the part of Bozja that has the most color, the rest of the area is so brown it'd make older Call of Duty maps blush.
It's a warzone? Why are you expecting it to be vibrant and full of colour?
Yes, like Ghimlyt Dark
Unlike Ghimlyt Dark
Ghimlyt was unbelievably kino
Where are the two garlean bawds from it, anyway
i think you kill them in the RP duty of 5.1
I think its supposed to be like WW1 trenches, dull and bleak.
Yeah, but why? Why not have trench warfare in a more fantastic environment? Why not make more use of the city ruins?
wtf they rendered crystalsong forest in guildwars 1?!?
You could have at least posted something nice like an ARR zone. HW zones are dismal when they first experimented with flight, and have only been slowly improving since.
Actually and unironically have a nice day. I don't want to hear your nasally ass at 300% gain dog barking in the background while your mexican mother screams incomprehensible gibberish at your drunk father
>Actually and unironically have a nice day. I don't want to hear your nasally ass at 300% gain dog barking in the background while your mexican mother screams incomprehensible gibberish at your drunk father
None of this is an argument, obviously.
Gotta give WoW credit. It's cartoon-y style is definitely rather unsightly in this day and age, but there's a certain timelessness that it allows its zones to have.
>lookmomIposteditagain
FF14 is just better than WoW, and also has more players
(And the characters are male/female and not body types because WoW has a troony playerbase and troony devs)
>FF14 is just better than WoW
It's a better movie than WoW, yeah.
Given FromSoft and Nintendo are doing the same troony shit for character customization, it's just a matter of time
>and also has more players
Never had more than wow. And WoW is 18 years old.
>how did xiv survive wow?
It's quite simple. What we have here, gentlemen, is a classic case of the tortoise and the hare. Yoshi played it slow and steady while blizzard basically did a speedrun to the bottom. xiv's focus on consistent quality and accessibility ensured a steady growth over the years.
It also has cute girls everywhere in game.
The only reason play FFXIV is to erp
wow sucks for that because all the races look ugly as frick
>Consistent quality
>Released a nightmare
>1 good expansion
>2 awful expansions
>1 okay
>Literally has 10 years of youth on WoW
>Still has the same lazy drawbacks like new races clipping through armor/etc.
Even the expac that is widely agreed to be the weakest, SB, is always widely agreed to have had great content.
Because SB has the best content, but was drowned out by secondaries and ShBgays who want to get to their cutscenes faster.
Literally filtered
honestly wowtards deserve all the shit they get for constantly coming into any and all MMO threads and forums for the past two decades to be as obnoxious as possible about how they're the best
>achievement unlocked: the bigger they are...
>in FL
>people see a SAM
>immediately start attacking it
>die seconds later
I see it all the time.
>in florida
>people see a SAM
>immediately start attacking it
>die seconds later
florida man strikes again
Watch this short video if you want to be sure of going to heaven after you die. It's actually very easy to be saved from hellfire
>listening to a protestant
Just save yourself some time and drop your kid off at a San Francisco bath house.
I played WoW for 8 years but never really cared about PvP other than getting ganked
Just tried Frontlines in FFXIV and got trounced.
How do I git gud?
First don't have a shit PC where you are killed before you even see the other players. The next is to play Ninja.
>people notice at least one in the group is seeing the final day for the first time
>decide to have a little fun
So dang wholesome.
I would queue for the final day the week of release just to do this.
This always tickled me. The game overexplains everything but literally glosses over the limit break and half the time you can't even tell if it's being used. A game with a bloat of over animated abilities and the ones that deserve it are the least so.
>half the time you can't even tell if it's being used
Is this a joke? LB1 I can understand since it's a relatively quick cast, but LB2 is hard to miss, and LB3 certainly is.
I personally love to go there and use the lb on the add and watch everyone freak out because they don't know that it fills again after you kill it.
here's a river in a WoW zone
art team carrying hard
now let's compare it to a river in an FFXIV zone lmao
fricking yikes
Still looks like shit. Like some of these soulless early PS3 games.
You’re wrong
wow look at all of those cool areas you can't explore. fun game!
The tower with the dragon is a dungeon you fricking sperg
>The tower with the dragon is a dungeon you fricking sperg
yeah, an instanced hallway dungeon that you teleport to from a menu. no exploration there.
>hallway dungeon
>entire fight is a spiral to the top
yes, the hallway is spiral shaped. stunning observation.
So a vertical hallway instead of a horizontal one.
You can't look at that tower and be like "oh hey what's this over here" and actually go in it. FFXIV feels really small at times.
That’s a fair observation
>FFXIV feels really small at times.
It is really small. We're 4 expansions in and there are still fewer zones in the entire game than there were in Vanilla WoW.
Smaller than vanilla FFXI too.
thats not vanilla ffxi. lol let me tweak that for you
We posting MMO maps?
And now a real ingame gameplay screenshot... no no wait. I will do a screenshot for you.
now a not stage screenshot. I love XIV but the game is damn ugly
this looks like complete dogshit even despite the obvious shader mods. the rocks literally look like they're made out of plaster and the jaggies on the textures look awful.
What a ugly fricking mountain wall. Every zones since HW has these ugly mountains walls or somekind of invisible walls. ARR is the only good looking part of XIV.
I can’t wait for WoW to die so you gays seethe for weeks.
With Dragonflight looking GOAT'd you've got at least a good year or so until Blizz has a chance to drop the ball.
I've never played WoW but whenever I see screenshots of the world I get the urge to start up and just go wander around it.
It's definitely a fun first time experience especially if you're a fan of Warcraft.
Bro, all the cut content?
and now a random not staged wow screenshot
this still looks significantly better. the detail in this image is insane compared to what you find in FFXIV zones.
Seriously. The wow art team should be getting raises. This is amazing.
as a neutral person who has played both games, WoW does newer enviroments better. XIV does armor and weapons better, though. Blizzard still has not figued out how to render 3d models on player models yet for chest and leg equipment. I know some do, but most still use the 'painted on' approach last time I checked. Its incredibly lazy. In general WoW struggles with physical texturing on terrain as well, I'm not sure if its just because the engine can't handle it or what. I tend to like how XIV has more depth to it.
>as a neutral person
Yeah okay, tim pool.
As a XIV gay I think that's more or less spot on, the way Warriors hold their weapons in WoW sticks out to me as ugly to no fricking end, and it's not like XIV Warrior has good animations either
Shut up WARgays, its basic 123 fricking doesn't
>spoiler
Get Papachin's WAR animation mod and replace the 1-2-3, same for DRK. You're welcome
>mod
I'm not a Black person
You're as moronic as one if you can't figure out how to install simple mods
I'm not gonna get it because I prefer to stick to just UI QoL changes or else I would have changed BLM's spell names fricking a billion years ago, but I'm gonna go look at it so I can see what I'm missing out on. Thanks Anon.
That's a thing, too, get the quicklauncher and download the Namingway plugin. Mage spell suffixes to "a ra ga ja" is the default addition and it also impacts the tab key quick-translate
so.. looks like xiv is pretty ugly after all. even in the current zones.
Long term support from devs
Absurd amount of content
Strong story and build up
Excellent soundtrack and sound design
WoW shitting the bed so hard
Honestly the only two things i can fault it by are the strained dull graphics and colors and the perfectly average to fine game play which badly needs shaking up. Can't deny at this point in time the game will most likely be looked back on as the best come back story in video games considering where it started shitting the bed in 2011.
i dont wanna post my xiv scenery screenshots here because it has my character in it and I know i'll be shitposted at
Rocky beachside
I post this in every thread.
Bad WoW is still better than good FF14.
>Why was FFXIV the only MMO to survive the 2010s? What went so so right?
They didn't take the woke bullshit and shove it up their subscribers ass.
Let's be honest, the woke shit doesn't matter. WoW is more pozzed than ever and people are still looking at DF with hope that it'll fix wow after 3 shit expansions in a row.
I think XIV does the woke shit well, and its the only game that does it well. They have temporary, small events that don't show up anywhere noticeable in game for Pride shit, and black/brown characters do show up but being black/brown isn't their entire personality.
in-setting people are more offended by interspecies relationships than they are homos, like the gay highlander and miqo'te with the tonberries
Shitposting-kun, can you give me a Zereth Mortis one? I want to compare the two since the zones are so thematically similar.
WITNESS THE GAINS OF THE DIVINE
best part is its urianger's VA
TO ME, O NATTY DIVINE
>world of Warcraft
do we need to post the fashion report diaper girl in response?
>girl
>WoW
>Can get your diaper changed by hot nelves that then suck your poopy peepee
>14
>Get banned for typing in chat
>Right because it appeals to the masses
What went so right for CoD and FIFA? XIV has been getting shittier and shittier for years
K I N O
Still unbelievably based and never expected him to smack her upside the head with brutal truth.
best part is she took it to heart
In a westoid game, the sultana would've successfully dissolved the sultanate AND the lalaisraelite cabal, and ul'dah would've been a perfect pinko paradise from then on. Thankfully the game is handled by sane people so she almost died for trying to so drastically change ul'dah's social structure, and a lesson in reality when she insisted they just give money to the poor refugees.
rent fricking free
Hey, man. I'm just speaking the truth. Look at the kind of shit wow's writers think is okay.
>Forgive me, Your Grace, but you appear to laboring under a misapprehension. It is a fine endeavor to support one’s fellow man. I fear, however, that your stance is one born of pity- your intent is to 'save' the refugees, is it not? For all our potential, we are indolent creatures by nature. If unconditional charity is all we know, then we begin to rely upon it- to expect it. And then we must consider Ul’dah’s own poor and downtrodden. Should they hear of you spending the nation’s coin- not to improve their lot, but to nurture the distant citizens of Ala Mhigo- it is unlikely they will applaud your generosity. Surely it is not Your Grace’s intention to foster new resentments, but to spread good will?
How can one man be so unfathomably based?
You would never get writing at based as this in a western game.
Damn crafters look like that?!
You bet we fricking do, Rowena is a fricking slave driver
If you told me XIV's writing would live up to Tactics standards a long time ago, i'd have never believed you.
I would.
>One cutscene out of 1000+ is good
>this is even better than FFT *Claps both burgers*
You guys are unreal.
Consistency
The game is not good per se but unlike its competitors it hasn't sunk in quality (after the repairs that they actually bothered to do)
So if you enjoy the content like that, there is no reason to quit
WoW lives rent free in 14's head, it'll never die. If it wasn't for this made up rivalry no one would care about 14.
WoW players think about XIV a lot more than the other way around, compare /wowg/ and /xivg/. Your next line will be "ew no I'm not a troony you won't catch me on /vg/"
Wow players spam their own general on /vg/ with 14 posts? The same people that make a thread about wow on Ganker just to post "people still play wow?" 3 posts into the thread? Take your medicine
>Wow players spam their own general on /vg/ with 14 posts?
what kinda fricking loony take on that post is this
What am I if I recognize all the flaws that XIV has (i.e. zone design, quest structure), but still enjoy it immensely?
A Chad/Tyrone
love the birb
WoW will always be king until something matches the artistry and immense skill ceiling that is rogue. Nothing has come close. IYKYK
kys
mid
>Be peasant farmer
>Tell your wife/kids that they probably shouldn't go outside alone because the woods are literally full of murderous bandits
>Get killed by murderous bandits
>Wake up in heaven
>Some blue dyke calls you an oppressive shitlord and throws you into superhell
Chris Metzen
what the frick
It's absolutely fricked to know people legit think like this.
>paranoid crazy dude keeps his family locked up
>he dies
>they live a normal life
What is the problem?
>omg dad stop being so paranoid. nothing bad is gonna happen if I vacation in morocco
>later
>M-MAMA! MAMA! *gurgle*
Thanks for reminding me of that, shithead.
do not avert your eyes, until we play minecraft in VR more families will shatter and lives destroyed will only increase.
I'll avert my eyes when sneering teenagers on Ganker post it to show how hard and redpilled they are.
remember that we called this would be happending 6-10 years ago, no one listened because naieve majority, even here on Ganker, aswell as real political clandestine paid shills pushing agendas slowly in all hobbies.
WE WARNED YOU
3.X>4.X>2.X>5.X>6.X
I'm not gonna lie on the internet and pretend I played 1.0, I only subbed at 2.1. this factors in story, gameplay, everything. Even when I took long hiatuses from the game I would leave my sub active because I didn't mind supporting the devs, but I have unsubbed for the first time in nearly a decade during EW because it's just not good and I'm over it. If you're dickriding XIV in current year, you have shit taste.
Endwalker is not bad you contrarian dick sucker
expansion isn't even at 6.2, how have you played since 2.1 and not known there's a big content dearth at X.0 until X.2
It's not about lack of content. It's about the story sucking, every job change sucking, the easiest Savage tier yet, years of saying "if you want satisfying healing play ultimate" followed by the most boring to heal ultimate fight, all of it.
Go back to to the Squeenix XIV forum, moron.
Fricking this. No one who played before Shadowbringers would still defend ffxiv. In fact , the defense force is a good indicator of when most of these players started.
They won by doing as little as possible. They made an MMO for people who don't like MMOs, found a reliable formula from this, and do not deviate unless the players complain a lot.
All the western MMO devs? Massive egos that leads to them destroying everything they worked on in 5 years or less.
All the Korean MMO devs? Anything promising is torn apart by greedy suits and adjusting too much to please braindead whales.
Other Japanese MMOs? XI, DQX, and PSO2 are all you have outside of niche phone games. XI is ancient, DQX is slowly being phased out, and Sega has been destroying PSO2 with shit decision after shit decision since 2016.
I don’t even know who the frick are the gays saying EW and ShB are shit they’re incredible stories both.
EW>ShB>2nd half of SB>HW>ARR>1st half of SB
Contrarians and Emetwives/simps.
Are you aware that trolls still exist in the year of our lord 2000+20+2?
They want your (You)s.
I’ve been here so long that my mind has done a complete circle and I’ve gone back to being a newbie
I would but ShB above EW just because I don't like timetravel and memory wipe tropes. I still loved elpis, but if I'm trying to be objective about it, ShB had a better story. The fact that EW is still so close to ShB even though it had literal years of story to tie up is pretty impressive though.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone call ShB story shit, many people just don't like the 5.X series for the system and job changes. I don't fully agree with them but I do get it. EW gets a lot of hate from people told themselves for some reason that it would be a nonstop action thrill ride Michael Bay movie of an expansion but that's their own fault for not realizing it was gonna stick to the formula that every expac has followed to point with the exception of ending at X.0 instead of X.3
ShB is just reverse-SB. Good story bad content vs bad story good content.
People that thought it'd be nonstop hype confuse me, that's exhausting in a story. It has pacing issues but it mostly relates to how long the downtime can be, rather than the downtime itself being a problem.
>Trailer is demons invading and shadow dragons and talking about the final days with this emphasis on the moon
>In game is selling fish and moving boxes for street shitters for a big chunk of time
>Game status is "apocalypse" for like an hour of play time
>Most of your time on the pretty limited moon is talking to Japanese humor bunnies
>Most of your time on the pretty limited moon is talking to Japanese humor bunnies
And it was K I N O
>trailer doesn't perfectly align with what happens in the game
Remember all the Ganker posts about how you were never chased by Garlean samurai in Kugane's streets while Gosetsu and Yugiri looked down from the tower
But you did deal with Garleans in Kugane for a section of Stormblood at least proportional to trailer time. I don't need 1:1 recreations, I don't need to fight some sin eater as 5 different jobs, but I want the mood to match
Garleans weren't able to start shit in Kugane for sociopolitical reasons, you're thinking of the other zones like Nagxia and Doma
trailers recontextualize shit all the time anon. its quite entertaining looking back on older trailers, i'll give 4.4 as an example, and what actually happened versus what they seemed to be implying would happen
Because what would fix the game would have zero impact on that story during hype moments or slow moments. There are literally hundreds of quest that add nothing to the lore, world, or narrative. It's unironically bloat
Welcome to MMOs I guess
i would enjoy hearing what parts of the MSQ you think aren't necessary
About 70% of the quests involving the moon bunnies.
from a narrative standpoint its explaining hydaelyn's backup plan for the star, and giving Urianger some personal development, and also sets up the later labyrinthos 2. it has function.
from a meta standpoint its to give levity in between the dense sadness of garlemald, the fricking everything up of killing zodiark and the darkest(maybe) part of EW, thavnair 2. its not the most efficient story telling but efficiency isn't too important a factor when telling that story.
>from a narrative standpoint its explaining hydaelyn's backup plan for the star, and giving Urianger some personal development, and also sets up the later labyrinthos 2.
Yeah that's what the 30% of the quests I wasn't talking about do.
The other 70% are literal worthless filler.
the clothing, carrots, and their actual fricking autism about not understanding the general needs of the people they were supposed to be saving.
i repeat: efficiency isn't the measure by which you should judge storytelling
Yeah those quests were neat.
The quests where they have you literally just running back and forth across huge zones before you get the mount speed boost doing frickall weren't.
You're literally being selective and only remembering the good quests. For every fun quest about them there were 2 quests that were "run back and forth for 15 minutes talking to scientists who don't say anything important at all" and "click on the glowy point and wait for the bar to fill 12 times"
do i have to say it a third time? the slow parts are part of the story telling. just how necessary were the dwarves and bilbo getting captured by the two trolls at the start of the hobbit?
There's a stark difference between an action moment that provide insight to new characters vs. You and Alphinaud catching animals for 3 quests--all for the actual important stuff to come after all that. You can't justify clicking sparkles for some NPC that you won't remember in 2 days as an important break in the narrative. You guys are as bad as movie game fans.
yeah labyrinthos 1 was pretty slow. i understand that the quests were to explain what the gleaners were and introduce erenvelle, as well as introduce the elpis flower and plant narrative hints to draw back on when you reach mare lamentorum. its also your first interaction with the sharlayan forum, which are painted as antagonists at that section (esp. Gankerult)
You need pacing in a game or you get shit like WoW and BDO where the power creep just gets too ridiculous
"Good pacing" is not "the plot literally grinds to a screeching halt for several hours for literal busywork in the middle of the climax."
Nah, the least important part objectively is when you're rounding up the scientists and spend 15 minutes wandering around talking to them telling them to get back to work and none of them mention anything of any importance at all.
And all the other dozens of quests like this at that part.
Once again, you're only remembering the good quests and forgetting the filler in between.
You can have downtime in a story that isn't grinding the plot to a screeching halt for hours at the very climax of the story, anon.
See: Shadowbringers.
But that was addressed in the game and even the MC was getting frustrated as the time ticked by. It turned into a huge deal where urianger had to have a heart to heart with them to make them cooperate.
>It's shit on purpose!
I rest my case.
>I don’t understand literature or story telling: the admission
Good talk
No anon, I understand it better than you considering I'm not defending something being shit just because the characters point out how shit it is.
Being self-aware of your bad writing and padding doesn't suddenly make it not padding.
There are huge swathes of Lab 2 where LITERALLY nothing happens. No important dialogue, no world building, no characterization, no character development, no plot development, no flavor. Just walking around clicking on things with inconsequential generic dialogue occasionally.
Tl;dr how’s that for literary analysis homosexual
I accept your concession.
It wasn’t long but I didn’t read this one either
the entirety of lab 2 is the power of friendshipTM where everyone you've met across the game helps you build the ship, and then building it while you help the sharlayans get shit ready and even then the "worst" part of it is urianger's shit with moenbryda's parents, let alone the small character shit and flavor that you just refuse to see exist for some reason
>the entirety of lab 2 is the power of friendshipTM where everyone you've met across the game helps you build the ship, and then building it while you help the sharlayans get shit ready
Yeah, it is.
And interspersed in that is a lot of worthless filler where nothing of any consequence happens at all.
You haven't read a book in 10 years, you condescending homosexual. A writer acknowledging bad pacing doesn't magically make the pacing better. If my book stopped at the last 25% to devote 5 pages to the MC getting a drink from a vending machine then people would call the author out on this. Just like people call out Tolkien for dropping 10 page lore dumps everytime the band takes a shit in a new river. Stop defending bad storytelling.
>” You haven't read a book in 10 years, you condescending homosexual. A writer acknowledging bad pacing doesn't magically make the pacing better. If my book stopped at the last 25% to devote 5 pages to the MC getting a drink from a vending machine then people would call the author out on this. Just like people call out Tolkien for dropping 10 page lore dumps everytime the band takes a shit in a new river. Stop defending bad storytelling.”
>no argument against someone who actually reads books
Lmao ok.
>” >no argument against someone who actually reads books
Lmao ok.”
Ok STOP making fun of me you small brained animal. You DOMT FRICKING TALK TO ME THAT WAY. Got it?!
>soijack posting
You're basically saying you give up.
what do you have against the troops
>pc broken
>have to phone post
YAMEROOOOOOO
>You can have downtime in a story that isn't grinding the plot to a screeching halt for hours at the very climax of the story, anon.
lab 2 isn't a "screeching halt" and even then it's talking more with the people you're helping and trying to salvage remaining plot points from arr like moenbryda existing
>lab 2 isn't a "screeching halt"
It is.
>and even then it's talking more with the people you're helping
And the majority of them say nothing of consequence.
>this homie would edit out most of the moon bunny quests
Ganker not writing video games gives me great relief
All the ones that don't involve Hydaelyn or Urianger yeah.
The rest are literally just filler. Or are you going to unironically defend the fact that Labyrinthos 2 lasts longer than any other part of the MSQ yet everything you do there besides the scene with Urianger meeting Moenbryda's parents is actual, literal useless busywork where they have you running back and forth doing frickall, dragging the plot to a screeching halt in the middle of the climax for literally no reason?
Isn't the point of it that you're rallying your allies world over to help you with that needs doing in order to be able to take the fight to the bird?
Maybe the downtime is a bit long, but I do genuinely like the busywork aspect since it's everyone the world over doing the busy work, and I don't think I would have liked it as much if it were "hey WoL, you're back from Elpis! What? The bawd causing it is in space? Hey, look, Sharlayan has a fully funished spaceship we can use, we can go right away no problem!"
I would have genuinely preferred if they were just like "steel yourself WoL" and then the next MSQ quest was a level or two higher and you were just expected to go do roulettes or something instead of the quests that make sense for a level 1 to be doing.
I don't know if I would have liked it if the plot at that point had turned into essentially a shounen training montage, but I can appreciate where you're coming from with this
here's a take you won't like: Urianger getting closure on Moenbryda's death was the least important part of Labyrinthos 2. even cookingway tasting the lemoncakes was more important
There is insanely little actual filler in this game, the only one I can think of off the top of my head is the moonshine shit BEFORE the company of heroes in ARR.
Downtimes in the story where you aren't exploding a monster every 3 seconds are not filler
I can do more if you want.
Forgot pic
EW is only hated by people who wanted hydaelen to be evil, and for the final days to be caused by lavos.
But Venat is evil
She destroyed an entire race because she believed she knew best and her plan didn't even work
intention, methods and results need to be taken into account when assigning labels like good and evil anon
but i know you're just a shitposter, so enjoy this (you)
Meanwhile Emet-Selch and others orchestrated seven doomsday events that nearly wiped the planet every time, were on their way to an eighth, and were going to finish the job once Zodiark was repaired
Killing one race < killing a whole bunch of races, repeatedly
>muh hecking 1/14 people
Without Emet you wouldn't even know how to speak and write
without emet we wouldn't have the allagans that are responsible for like 75% of the bad shit on the source
Before the allagans the sundered lived live cavemen
The Second Umbral Era was caused by industrial pollution.
it was still caused by the ascians???
The Ascians instigate, they don't cause
The acians told the cavemen how to forge
Ascians mostly just let shit happen and take advantage of it when they see something they can take advantage of. Emet didn't plot the Eighth Umbral Era, for example. The idea just came to him while he was making fun of Varis and the subject turned to black rose and he realized that its aetherial properties were perfectly aligned to light. So he went to go make sure the First was prepared when Varis's dumb ass inevitably unleashed it.
according to an intentionally biased lore piece written by a character that has no possible way of knowing what life was like before the allagans
Hydaelyn WAS evil, lavosgays are moronic and EW story was garbage.
>wow removes systems in new xpac
>replaces them with nothing
honestly to all wowbros, how long do you think it'll be before you're just bored?
>do the raid
>grind m+
>???
>raidlog until you quit
systems were originally added to placate raidtrannies who were bored and wanted more shit to do, they're removing them without solving the problem that the game has no casual/solo content that isn't just older versions of hardcore raid content. What's left?
God I fricking hate Frontline more than I hate women.
>Lara in the OP
Never post this smug migger ever again
only good thing about ff14 is it gave us that cute southrn girl that streams it and wears bunny ears. she's very frickable and cute.
The XIV Official Forums.
It’s because there are homosexuals wearing dresses spamming emotes in Linda for attention
>The [game] Official Forums.
Wait, why would anyone want to hide others' glamour? I'm confused
I do not want to see the moronic animal fursuits
Genuinely because of gays
Fragile players that can't handle meme glams
seething over getting glam mogged
There is a small group of people who keep making threads demanding the <Z> title be removed, no matter how many times the mods shut them down they keep making them.
Wtf why? That relic is hard as frick to get I deserve it
Conflicts with current npc programming.
No I mean what the frick is their reasoning?
Something about Russian troops using Z for something, I don't know the details
I hate liberals holy shit
I can't imagine what it's like to be enraged at every piece of rage bait you read.
Sure you can, just imagine the blind rage you feel when someone reminds you that you're not really a woman.
It’s bait when people make fun of it but leftist progress when they let it slide. America is a social hell hole right now.
Some ruskie tanks were marked with Z and twitter activist latched on to it proclaiming it a new hate symbol, they conveniently ignored all the other marking they put on their shit.
the confederate title is better for triggering people like that
hehe this is the one i use and i am a female lala
Basically there's too much 2022 Earth fashion items or silly clownsuit elephant things and it annoys the super serious knights and dragon fantasy nerds
Meant for
Doesn't she mean a Type 2 Shaman?
>bioholes eat it up
I will now play your game
Cute guys too.
Not that I'm gay myself, I can just recognize when another guy would be considered cute by women. Or gay men. Which I am not.
Yeah, you're gay.
rip
>takes over a decade to realize the XIV community is toxic and then decide to leave it
lol
>Does to dungeon bosses
He was a bad player and should kill himself
this is literally a troll who keeps making troll threads
>get baited
>post it on Ganker and screech about how dumb they are for reals
many such cases
I love her so much, you have no fricking idea.
Yeah we get it, you wanna frick the bird.
What you dont?
I very much want that bird.
That's merely scratching the surface of what I would do to her.
>survive
I only ever see it shilled on troon central aka Ganker.
>Ditched Ryne and made the homosexual cat join us
God I hate fujoshits.
>exarch anything other than unfashionably based
Frick you
>comparing the exarch that the cringy simp
I’ll accept that I preferred the exarch
OHHHH NO NO NO HE DOESN'T REMEMBER THE EXARCH'S SANDWICH BASKET
>dude the Exarch's quite admiration for you is literally the same as this overly excited homosexual wiggling his ears and squealing and begging to follow you everywhere!
>quiet admiration
>fidgets like a schoolgirl when you're coming up to his meeting room in the tower
>again, the sandwich basket
>his plan to kill himself involves pretending to turn villain at the last possible second so you're still the fairytale hero
READ homie
>"wow i'm going to talk to my hero i hope i don't embarrass myself..."
vs
>"WOL-KUN!!!! I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU!!!! EEEEEEEE!!! *ear wiggle! >///<* LET'S GO ON AN ADVENTURE TOGETHER JUST THE TWO OF US WHEN THIS IS ALL OVER AND YOU KNOW I ALWAYS DREAMED OF GOING ON AN ADVENTURE WITH YOU AND... BEFORE I DIE I'D JUST LIKE TO TELL YOU I ALWAYS WANTED TO GO ON AN ADVENTURE WITH YOU OMG ARE YOU GOING ON A FETCH QUEST SOMEWHERE *ear wiggle, holding in squee!! >////<* C-C-C-C-CAN I... C-CAN I COME WIF YOU??? EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! *glomps u!!!*
>I AM SILLY
Bro, the exarch WAS a cringy simp. Did you forget him spying on your adventure from the tower? He just had other shit to keep him occupied so he wasn't free to simp all the time.
He was not, he acted like a tired and wise old wizard, not a literal obsessive simp with no other facets to her personality
>he acted like a tired and wise old wizard
lol
lmao
the second he had a moment to spare, he asks you to sit beside him and starts talking like a love struck school girl.
>oh if only I could tell him the truth. tell him he's my inspiration and how happy it would make me to go on an adventure with him ~
I'm waiting for the day they let us call G'raha, Raha in a dialog choice. I bet it would make him cream his pants.
She literally created Ryne moron
Who’s the Best scion?
Alisaie.
She’s mid as frick I’m sorry for sex value I prefer yshtola over her
Urianger
Papalymo
Yda
The fricking cabbage that they didn't even put in the Atiascope
Urianger, easily
>Instigates the events that save an entire fricking shard
>Constantly creating more White Auracite so we can actually kill Ascians for good
>Actually knowledegable about a variety of subjects, unlike someone like Y'shtola who (is critically underdeveloped TBF and) just shows up to say "Hmm yes, there sure is Aether flowing here"
Krile and Thancred are good too though
>Top Tier
Estinien, Urianger, G'raha, Hoary Boulder, Coultenet
>Useful Tier
Krile, Thancred, Alphinaud
>went out well tier
Papalymo
>kinda funny
Yda
>slightly fappable I guess
Shitola
>worthless prostitute
Alisaie
>mentally moronic
Lyse
>simp'raha
>top tier
Graha did more for the plot in a single expansion than anyone below him besides Alphinaud has throughout the entire game
We can reasonably distinguish crystal exarch graha from current fujo simp graha. Nu-graha has not done anything to distinguish himself as top tier.
Kinda agree, Crystal Exarch was horny as frick for you but also, on top of that he was an extremely tired old man, and I genuinely fricking just wanted to sit on rocking chairs with him and reminisce.
I like having G'raha back, and I do genuinely like G'raha as we have now but my first fricking worry at first was "frick, we're not getting crystallized geriatric catboy, we're getting the dumb wienery Crystal Tower gay" and I am glad that he's not really that, but he's not 100% the Exarch either.
Western audiences REALLY seem to really have issues with characters that were once bound by such heavy responsibilities that they lost much of their life and their true honest selves because of it, but are now free to enjoy life and not hide their true self after accomplishing what they set out to do. I personally enjoy the multifaceted journey of G'raha from the CT raids to Endwalker.
Is this delusion limited to Ganker xivtroons or do they all believe it? Like, if I were to log into FFXIV and asked in NN if FFXIV has more subs than WoW, would people there unironically say yes?
Graha > Estinien > Thancred > Urianger > Alphinaud = Yshtola = Tataru > Alisaie > Lyse
breasts or gtfo or homosexual
Alisaie is underrated. Shes the perfect little moron.
>Y'shtola = Tataru
I'm not gay, but I want to marry Raha, move to state with no abortion rights, impregnate his ass and watch him forced to birth our child against his will.
same
how do people enjoy machinist? currently taking it from 80 to 90 to finish off all my phys ranged
this is dogshit built around a 8 second burst every 30 seconds. nothing feels cohesive at all
You actually get more damage out of your 3 big dick attacks, drill, air anchor and chainsaw than your overheat spam. I mostly like it because its like all the other phys ranged and can move while attacking and I like the aesthetic of pulling gadgets out everywhere.
I wouldn't be surprised if Bard was more enjoyable but I have a high level dancer and how proc based it is kind of puts me to sleep.
shit game, doesn't even give the cloud hair in the game
>clear garlemald and finally get to moon on 2nd day of EW
>read chat
>”AEIOU”
>”JOHN MADDEN! JOHN MADDEN!”
>”here comes another yangxian earthquake ebrbrbrbrbrbrbr”
>le old maymay
Frick off.
>Really like 14
>Meet a friend in PF
>They convince me to sub to 11
>See so much shit that so closely resembles 14
>Not even "oh they both have chocobos and crystals", but some shit just feels like a straight rip-off
>Can't really enjoy 14 the same anymore
I kinda hate that person for depriving me of my ignorance, but I have enjoyed 11
To be fair, XIV takes from pretty much every game before it. The Syrcus Tower comes to mind.
Almost all XI stuff halts or stops mattering after ARR, don't worry about it. The details in story, setting and monsters are so different that making more than a surface-level comparison is hard
>Not-Hydaelin sunders not-Zodiark to prevent the apocalypse and trust the future to the new races that succeed the ancients
I missed that part of ARR, glad they repeated it later
Remember the part in ARR where the group of heroes from another world show up wielding the power of darkness, including the alternate world's (You), so they can save their world by killing yours?
yea i remember the first time they did the warriors of darkness back in 3
because shb is just 3
and ew is just 4
>kept eyeing the weird Zodiark swirl that's still in that moon crater to this day
>thought that it would play some sort of role at the end of the game, that the souls of the Ancients were still there, and that you were going to use them to fight Meteion somehow the way that Lunarians in IV were containing and suppressing Zemus
Never came to pass, but I don't trust that fricking hole.
>Remember the part in ARR
That was the end of Heavensward. As in literally the final couple of patches before Stormblood in the HW post-story
Follow the reply chain, that poster is employing irony to refute the claim that XI influence is only in ARR
Ganker posters are getting too advanced with their shitposting...back in my day you just needed to reply with Black person and maybe a costanza
Remember in XIV when the ancients were building a staircase to heaven, were cast down and sundered by actual real gods, and could read time and cheat death with the Whisper of the Soul
Delkfutt's isn't just a literal staircase. The Celestial Nexus is where the crystal energies from each of the mothercrystals is to be united to initiate the rejoining.
>and could read time and cheat death with the Whisper of the Soul
They actually can do that though.
I can't wait to play FF16.
>graha
>bad
>Implying “Let expanse contract, eon become instant… champions from beyond the rift: HEED MY CALL” as the main song hit the riff wasn’t the hardest line in the entire game
I'm of the opinion that the early ARR quests are great. They really do make you feel like a nobody slowly rising up to fame, doing menial task after menial task albeit with slightly greater importance than the one before it. It's the only time in the series where you truly felt like nobody special.
The only other game I can think of that captured that feel is Morrowind.
Condensing earlygame and removing those quests would be detrimental.
most of arr is fine, they removed some like 100 (literal) filler quests and they could stand to remove another few good dozen before you even begin to see anything that a single person could conceivably miss.
Titan chores, heretic sleuthing, and corrupted crystals need to GO
company of heros was almost slashed in half, corrupted crystals too. i can see the Siren section being cut out as its intended to give a root for the Pharos Sirius dungeon. you don't even need to hunt the little spriggan to tell you where the big spriggan is (which coincidentally means that the msq doesn't require you to go to the church in east shround any more)
coerthas got trimmed down a lot too, mostly in the latter half
Doing menial shit in ARR is good and makes sense. Especially since back then even at level 50 you were never meant to be the one singular super special WoL. By Endwalker where they have shifted the story to be about Mr super special chosen WoL and you have been doing this forever, and you're a WMD with legs, doing menial tasks sucks ass
I think that they make you rise to fame a little bit TOO quickly.
I don't want them to make it longer nor add more quests, but I feel that you really should start the "here's our hero, Warrior of Light, savior of the realm, we worship the ground you walk on!" treatment more at the end of Heavensward than the end of ARR proper.
End of ARR would probably be ab it more served with YOU personally being aware of the fact that maybe there is something more to you than meets the eye, but with the rest of the world being a more muted "goddamn, that was really fricking impressive, you really ARE strong" but without going full "oh my god, it's the Hero of Legend!"
Only way they could really solve that, I think, is putting off primals until you're in the lv. 30+ range, since soloing Ifrit is the catalyst.
>get pre-selected as warrior of light by the alien crystal god and start slaying literal gods
>"a nobody"
I'm talking about before anyone knew you were the WoL. The starter area quests before you joined the Scions.
there's literally nothing special about the WoL until Hydaleyn herself intervenes at the Praetorium. you're not even a world famous adventurer until Stormblood
yes its a chosen one story, but one that started with you as a nobody that clawed his way up, not to mention you actually rebuilding the blessing of light on yourself in HW
>there's literally nothing special about the WoL until Hydaleyn herself intervenes at the Praetorium.
the company of heroes have their dick sucked for half-assedly beating up a primal once
you've beaten up like 7 by the time prae happens, you even get your wiener sucked by livinia in castrum about being the hero of eorzea and gaius can't stop thinking about you 24/7
you have only killed '2' primals up to the praetorium. you defeated Garuda and somehow yoinked a crystal out of her but she was ultimately taken out by Gaius.
on a side note, i enjoy how nobody in game seems to remember how the CoH actually killed Titan
Even in the story the immortal flames are like "good job beating ifrit, that will buy us like a week until the amalja gather crystals and summon again and another player has to beat him." because having the echo is like being a mutant in the X-Men world. Special, but not that special
not to say your argument is fully wrong or whatever you're debating with that guy, just that you are very much not a normal person when you start prae
plus endwalker talks later about the blessing meaning approximately shit in most circumstances
>you're not even a world famous adventurer until Stormblood
you are, and you're basically the PR poster boy/girl/femboy of the scions and everyone sucks your dick nonstop about it, literall all you do is nod and people suck your dick
nod and then beat up whatever garlean or primal problem exists, after which the sloppy toppy commences
I haven't played FFXIV since Endwalker last year, but it's good to still see daily seethe threads.
XIV wasn't even around in 2010
OSRS
WoW
WoW Classic
GW
were all around before that and survived and are still healthy
>WoW Classic
>2010
2005 wow is very different from MoP and onwards, and 2019 proved it's still extremely popular just like it was in 2005 so technically yes
WoW is still the most played MMORPG, FXIV barely beat it for a month or so because of their new expansion release during the content drough of one of the worst xpacks in history so it's a temporary refuge for wowfugees
>still healthy
The only one you could call that is OSRS and even that's starting to slip.
WoW and WoW classic both have more players than OSRS though?
>WoW and WoW classic both have more players
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
My mistake
I like how these obsessive freaks want WoW to die so badly that they're hallucinating its death.
>that they're hallucinating its death.
have you been in a coma since june 2021?
>it's dead because i feel like it's dead
That's not how it works.
Can you believe its already been a year since the lactation room?
>it's dead because some of the employees were outed as rapist freaks
lol I guess you think League of Legends is dead too huh? rock solid logic.
>please laugh
>XIV wasn't even around in 2010
what did the moron mean by this?
>Au Ra troony joins FC
>drama ensues randomly
I hate Au Ra players so much..
>allowing troops to join fc’s
>allowing women to join fc’s
This game has way too many solo instances. It gets really annoying actually. Most of them aren't even fun.
most of the job ones are shit but i liked the early one where you 'fight' a boulder with the guy pretending to be from the company of heroes
most of the ones from shb/ew are good too