Why was it shit?

That message falls flat because he immediately abandons his friends again right after the worlds reset to go find Mio again.

Source?

>Melia and Nia have a speech about separating but also the hope of meeting each other again. Kid Noah is then shown recognising the Agnus tun
Yeah, that implies Noah and Mio will meet again. We don't know about the others. Literally exactly what I said dumbass

>You are stupid on purpose
he is

he read opinions on reddit and regurgitates them on this board, just don't bother and ignore this gay, he has really recognizable writing style.

>Spoonfeed me pls
Nah, your fault for being filtered by a pegi 12 game. I'm done with you.

jesus christ are we still doing this
Noah and Mio are our deuteragonists. We see things from Noah's point of view but that doesn't mean he's the only one to cross over or be drawn to the people he met in the other world.
This is on the same level as "You know, Shulk actually is the god of the XB1 world and it undermines his argument to make the decision for everyone else to have a world with no gods"
Being the main character has them embodying the general message of the game and being a stand-in for the broader experiences and feelings of the party and, potentially, the world

>Cope forever with it.
I don't have to, I'm able to read subtext and I don't get mad about the ending because I understand what they were going for, especially since in FR they beat the dead horse just so that everyone knows that the worlds fully interlink after all

>Subtext is headcanon
Also
>That still doesn't mean that anyone else from the main story besides Noah and Mio will meet again.
Do you literally need to be shown everything explicitly for you to be able to presume it happens.
It's like saying "We don't know if the Machina and Homs really stopped fighting after the party beats Zanza, it might just be the ones in Colony 9 that stopped fighting"
Or "We don't know that the countries in XB2 found some form of international peace just because they landed in Elysium, so there might still be conflict between Uraya and Mor Ardain for resources"

Just give up bro, for the sake of your sanity.
You can't argue with them.

Because you don't have an argument.

It's true but it doesn't refute the original argument since it's only Noah shown at the end.

What does that have to do with the rest of the characters reuniting?

Right before the fight with Z, Noah gives his little cringe speech to N about how his friends are so important and they're what kept him on the right path blah blah blah. Then immediately after the worlds reset he abandons them and doesn't even help them find their own partners. Some "friend" he is

Post credits cutscene

>They are
They are what?
>Are you talking about the last speech Noah gives to N or the actual speech Noah gives to Z himself?
The former

Yes, that much is obvious moron.
The speech would imply that he at least somewhat cares about his friends, yet when the worlds reset he immediately abandons them all except Mio and doesn't even try to help the rest find their own partners.

>Again, he's not abandoning them.
Yes he is.
Mio is with the others in Agnus. If he cares about Eunie and Lanz finding their partners then he would've brought them along, but he doesn't. Because he doesn't care about them. Just like he didn't care about those other friends that he left to die in a snowstorm.

>You're ascribing the most malicious interpretation of his actions and motivations in a bad faith argument
No, I'm showing how the story fails to execute it's own themes.
If Noah's friends were as important as he claims then the ending wouldn't play out in the way it does. The shot is literally framed with Noah at a crossroads just like N had earlier, and he chooses to go to Mio without his friends

>The fact that potentially those memories may not persist or won't be enough to restablish the bonds everyone formed
So you're literally agreeing with me? What the frick are you arguing about then?

>What am I agreeing with
Only Noah and Mio are confirmed to reunite, the rest is headcanon/speculation

They don't care. I now remember those guys. They shitposted those exact same garbage "arguments" even before FR.
No intelligence to be found there, so just ignore them and talk about what you like.

>Just because the worlds fused again doesn't mean the rest of the characters will reunite
You're right, just like how it wasn't confirmed that Ontos was Alvis in XB2.
It's called 'implication', where the clues are put in that allow the audience to come to the conclusion of what happened or will happen without outright telling them.

It wasn't. All we knew was that Ontos fricked off out of reality. The jump that Ontos was Alvis is actually less reasonable.

>No that was confirmed
You're right, it was confirmed.
But it was very clearly implied.
That's my point: there was no outright confirmation by Klaus in XB2 of whether Ontos was Alvis from XB1, but the clues were there to let you put it together for yourself.
It's literally the same thing as XB3. You're operating on the assumption that the only details we can go on in a story is what is explicitly stated or shown. And on the basis, you're treating games differently than you would with film or literature, where implication is a pretty commonly used method for communicating things to the audience

>but the clues were there to let you put it together for yourself.
Yeah, and in XC3 they give you clues that Noah and Mio will reunite but not anyone else, so that's just speculation. Z even says Noah and Mio are an oddity.

You're saying Noah and Mio are the only ones who reunite. So are Nia and Melia also unconfirmed. Even though they don't have the memory erasure shit.

>So are Nia and Melia also unconfirmed
Obviously not since they each other beforehand moron. The characters of 3 didn't know the characters from the other world beforehand.

>but not anyone else
You're right, the entire planets interlinking together means literally nothing in terms of the chances of the characters meeting up again.
Here's a really simple question: narratively, why do you think the planets interlinked at the end of FR?

>but not anyone else
You're right, the entire planets interlinking together means literally nothing in terms of the chances of the characters meeting up again.
Here's a really simple question: narratively, why do you think the planets interlinked at the end of FR?

and

It's basically has to play out the way it does. If everyone just remembered everything off and found eachother immediately it would kill the entire uncertainty aspect. The fact that potentially those memories may not persist or won't be enough to restablish the bonds everyone formed. Having things go the way you're saying they should would go against the themes not work with them.

are different anons
I would know because I'm

It's basically has to play out the way it does. If everyone just remembered everything off and found eachother immediately it would kill the entire uncertainty aspect. The fact that potentially those memories may not persist or won't be enough to restablish the bonds everyone formed. Having things go the way you're saying they should would go against the themes not work with them.

>the planets interlinking suggests that most everyone will find each other again.
That's your headcanon/speculation. It's not confirmed and there's nothing in the actual game that suggests such.
>The point is that what is drawing Noah and Mio together isn't exclusive to them
Again, you don't know that.

>It's not confirmed and there's nothing in the actual game that suggests such.
Well it's not "muh two worlds coexisting" in that case either.
Nobody actually says anything explicit about how the worlds unify.
The point is that if you have the one of the worlds glow yellow and the other glow blue (the color of the flame clocks for agnus and keves respectively) and then they join together into a single entity, that resembles the interlink mechanic we see in-story in which an agnian and a kevesi can unify into a single entity as well.
My basic question is do you literally need a character to walk out and tell you what's happening for you to have an opinion on it?

>The part that is headcanon is other characters reuniting besides Noah and Mio
Just like Ontos being Alvis was headcanon prior to DE being shown off?

No, my point is that the series isn't leaving these implications so we can make bets on what will be confirmed/deconfirmed at a later date, they're implied so a savvy players can put 2 and 2 together for themselves to figure out what is happening or potentially happening.
If you show me Noah disappearing at the end of 3 after hearing Mio's melody and then you show me the whole planets fusing, I can do some basic inductive reasoning to say that the characters are probably going to meet up with each other.
It's not guaranteed, but even Noah meeting Mio again isn't outright confirmed because we never see it. It's just highly highly likely, given the tone of the scene, the fact that Noah disappears and the events during the game that show that Noah and Mio have reconnected across their past lives already

>Yeah, Noah and Mio have
How do you know? Noah could have just ceased to exist once he disappeared
By your own reasoning, anything we're not outright shown doesn't happen so we don't actually know where Noah goes

>Because it's [headcanon]
See how easy it is to be this reductive
>No it isn't, only Noah and Mio are ever implied to have that sort of bond
Yeah and then the worlds fricking fuse, which significantly raises the odds of the other characters meeting up again too
Again, exert some inductive reasoning and realize that if we're shown a specific example of something happening and then the story shows us the most general example of that happening as well, then there's a good chance that everyone in-between is going to experience some version of reconnection with people they were close with in the other world

>It doesn't guarantee it
And we're not guaranteed that Noah and Mio meet up.
>Their lives might be completely different outside wartimes and they never meet.
Same with Noah and Mio

>Yes they are
Proof
>there's no other reason to have the flute and show Noah disappearing behind the bird at the end
You're right, that thing that happens before THE WORLDS FUSE
But just noah and mio meeting up has about the same chance that they'll actually get back together as Taion and Eunie or Lanz and Sena
Like you said, they could be completely different in peacetime

>Nope because there's only one conclusion that can be drawn from the post credits
The fact that we are having this discussion and other people are disagreeing with you shows that that's not true
Just because YOU only drew a single conclusion and failed to extrapolate anything else from FR's ending doesn't mean that it's the only way things can be interpreted

>You're just being disingenuous to try to prove a point
>ad hominem attack
In which way am I being disingenuous and what point do you think I'm actually trying to prove?
My basic point is I GENUINELY believe that the implication of XB3's and FR's ending is that most of the cast of the games we played will reconnect and see each other again in the same way Noah and Mio seem to. My point about your arguments is you're drawing some line on which implications are fair to extrapolate into a certain conclusion and which implications aren't strong enough (or, in your view, don't even exist).
You couldn't actually define what the line there is between what's a fair implication and what's head canon beyond "it's obvious", which is about as useful as "it came to me in a dream"

>Nothing in the game confirms or hints at it.
Why do you think Monolith Soft chose to show the worlds fusing at the end of FR? What do you think was the narrative intent of including that scene?

No, I asked before why you think the worlds fused in-universe. But why do you think Monolith Soft chose to even have that scene in the first place?

>I guess to set up whatever sequel they want to do next
And I'd say you're probably wrong, the intent was to imply more heavily that it's not just Noah and Mio who reunite.

Because they could have just shown a blue light falling towards a planet without the fusing scene if they wanted to

It could be neither. If the blue light is the important part for the sequel, then it could just be any planet.
And given that Takahashi himself said that the Klaus saga is over, it's not even clear if a sequel would take place on the fused world or some other setting. It's not even clear if the blue light is for a sequel or some Xenosaga reference
Fusing the two planets after having a game where the protagonists fuse into a larger form that is stronger than their constituent parts, after Nia says "one day, we'll surely get to walk hand in hand again" and having Noah (seemingly) cross from his world to Mio's as a result of their strong bond suggests to me that the intent is to give the players more of a guarantee that all of the cast of Agnus and Keves will, at the very least, have the opportunity to reconnect the same way Noah and Mio seem to be given at the end of XB3. Would you say that the evidence I cited in support for this interpretation is not relevant or not significant enough?

She said we, meaning more than just Noah and Mio.

She said WE, Nia saying we includes Nia, otherwise she would have said THEY.

>So Nia, Mio and Noah. There you go.
I can't believe you accused anyone else of being disingenuous

She was talking to Melia though, or it's framed as her communicating with Melia. So "we" has to include Melia too.

Well when Melia and Nia are monolouging they're not just talking individually. They're talking about the worlds as they seperate. So when she says "we" she doesn't mean individually she means Keves and Agnus as in the worlds.

Yeah dude, the new planet that is roughly 1.5x the size of the older planets is just populated by Noah and three women (Oh, and whatever that blue light coming back down was); well isn't that gonna be a doozy when it's time to repopulate!

So Nis talking about both worlds when she says "we". And this basically confirmed by FR seeing as the worlds reunite just like Nia said.

And them fusing is foreshadowed by Nia saying the worlds will come together again.

Rewatched the final cutscene.
>Melia: Our worlds in their current states...are still young. If in passing, they do themselves harm, I suppose,even then they cannot help carry on.
>Nia:Still, I have faith. Even if now we become seperated for a time, one day we'll surely get to walk hand-in-hand again...
Nia is definitively talking about the worlds. When she says we she means the worlds meaning everyone in Keves and Agnus.

But the entire point is that Nia says that they will. If Nia saying "we" when talking about herswlf means she'll meet Noah, then if she's talking about everyone then using the sams logic.

>If Nia saying "we" when talking about herself means she'll meet Noah, then if she's talking about everyone then using the same logic.

Anon if what Nia says doesn't matter then what's the point of even discussing what Nia said. Why even contest whether Nia meant herself, Melia, the worlds if you were going to dismiss it anyway?
She's not even a rando. Nia is one of the primary people involved with Origin,it's construction, the communication between the worlds. She actually has credibility in-universe.

Technically the multiversal war wasn't real. It was manufactured by Z who was a physical avatar for everyone from both worlds. Z says it's what humamity desire. This is also why Alpha wanted to erase the old humans. They decided subconciously that Aionios was what they wanted. They were walking hand and hand in creating an elaborate war drama. But ignoring the technicalities your statement is meaningless. The writers can change or retcon anything at any point. What they might do has no bearing on what we can infer from current information. You basically said the writers can do whatever and by the same logic they could also have Noah and Mio not meet-up. It's just a really dumb argument.

I don't understand that statement. Are you saying they wouldn't do that? Then what was
>Alvis also said he could see the worlds walking hand in hand and never mentioned the 1000 year multiverse war.
The truth is they will just do whatever they want and change things to fit whatever story they want to tell. Just like they did with making Nia the queen
about. Because I thought the implication was that what Nia said then matter because they could go against what they already showed.

So no one will meet again because there are no definitive statements and even if there were it wouldn't gurantee anything.

No they're not. We don't even see first term Mio in game. They became children again how can they be shown meeting and we don't know what child Mio looks like. Outside of the artbook anyway.

That doesn't change anything. In order to show Noah and Mio meeting again you have to show Mio. It's not a focus issue she doesn't exist in the post credits scene.

That she doesn't exist? Mio not being in the post credits scene doesn't imply anything. It not positive or negative information. That no information it can't imply anything.

That he heard a flute and faded into the crowd.

That's the inference with least assumptions. A safe assumption is that he's not actually hearing a flute but remembering the agnian off-seeing tune.

It's not real in the sense that the entire thing is manufactured by Z. Agnus and Keves aren't actually at war, They're basically acting out a war drama for Z's amusement. And since Z embodies the desires of people from both worlds, the war drama is for everyone's amusement.

>I'm sure that Noah's close friends will somehow remain completely unaware of the only blade who looks like she could be Brihgid's daughter
How anyone of them know Brighid moron?
>This is obviously leading up to everyone meeting again
no it's not obvious no matter how hard you cope over it

Okay, and? Why would Noah care?

>who is always with Noah
Noah leaves them in the post credits scene.

>now let's all remain in Colony 9 forever!
They were street kids, it's not like they have the means to do otherwise.

Not like there's any proof for your side either

>they stay in their designated continent forever and never interact with each other and nobody knows nobody?
Nobody said this, just that they won't make the same bonds again in peacetime. Obviously it sounds ridiculous when you exaggerate

>The bonds [headcanon]

That's in Aionios. We don't know how it works in the real world.

Oh okay so they're all going to die at 10 years old too?

But the memories still work the same as in Aionios because they just do?

*Origin records memories. Soldiers are recreated based on Origin's records. Which includes Aionios and the memories formed there

Yes. They lived for 1000 or so years. Just because they died and were reborn a bunch of times doesn't change that they existed for 1000 years. If you go to sleep and wake up you don't lose the last 24 hours of memories.

They're not actually 10 anon. They're back in their 10 year old bodies but they're not actually 10. Technically they still are because time was frozen but they experienced numerous lifetimes.

Well obviously there’s some moronic “maybe this happened” reason that explains that.
Why is it so hard for 3gays to admit their story fricking blows when you put under a microscope and try to make sense with established lore?

He literally walks away from them you fricking moron.

Are you unaware of the concept of six degrees of separation? A lot of characters are either shown to have direct ties to the heroes of the first two games or heavily implied to do so, through Noah and Mio being together they'd start meeting each other and creating connections that would lead to other connections; others would meet by casuality or by havingt similar interests.
The idea that Keves and Agnus existing in the same planet yet nobody but Mio and Noah ever coming into contact is moronic.

>Nia: See that merged world? That's where we're going to live. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but some day...
>Later that day Origin merged the two worlds.

Well no. Because contextually they're saying this as the worlds as seperating and everyone one from Keves and Agnus are returning to their respective worlds. This isn't like Nia is visiting the Gormotti Titan and Melia is taking the bus to Temperantia. You got the ouroboros party, and the heroes and probably everyone else off-screen doing sends-offs.

Because the entire planet fuses back together.

Sounds cringe.

Ethel and Cammuravi also conviently reuinite across lifetimes. Well 2 lifetimes that we see but the conincidence is uncanny. Especially since they start remembering eachothers titles too.

That can just be chalked up to memories erasure being incomplete even with Moebius conditioning. Memories of loves ones are going to be pretty strong. But also memories like "that time I was executed" or "that time an invincible monster stabbed me in the eye" also work.

That means they're an oddity in general which is also why they immediately reunite.

>Z says they're and oddity because they reincarnate after homecoming
Nope, that line was referring to them continuing to fight Z across multiple lives.

It's funny that that anon says the most obvious implication in the world is headcanon, and then comes up with his OWN implications for Noah and Mio that aren't actually stated by Z

>They showed Alvis silhouette when talking about Ontos.
They did not

[...]
Wrong and wrong. He is fascinated by N&M because both of them manage to reunite and fight Z together.
The "you who persist far beyond homecoming..." come from the fact Z brought back N to life multiple years after his homecoming.

Z never says any of that. And even as speculation you're still wrong. Noah and Mio reuniting confusing Z would be strange. Because say Joran for instance has lived 100+ lifetimes minimum and each time he dies in a pathetic way. Or Ashera has for numerous lifetimes gone insane because of a scar on her neck. There are multiple soldiers confirmed to live out very similar lives across iterations. So Noah and Mio having similar lives across iterations wouldn't confuse Z.

(3/2) And Dirk too. Across lifetimes he remembered his secret stash of decapitated heads. He also does the similar lifetimes each iteration thing.

Z explicitly says he's beguilded because their lives thrive and persist past homecoming. That's his only stated reason.

Wrong and wrong. He is fascinated by N&M because both of them manage to reunite and fight Z together.
The "you who persist far beyond homecoming..." come from the fact Z brought back N to life multiple years after his homecoming.

>just that they 'persist and thrive' even beyond homecoming
That's just Z being theatric, while also informing the player that the scene takes place way after N's homecoming.

About being brought back by Z duh. "You who persist far beyond homecoming" is just a fancy way of "I pulled you from Origin's archive lmao".

(2/1)
Especially since they reincarnate after becoming Meobius anyway. So it's a thing they're shown to be able to do.

No that question is fricking pointless. Matthew predicted N would create Noah. And Matthew is a dumbass. Then again Nia isn't much better than Matthew in that regard. She just hides it better. The answer then is obvious. As IQ levels decrease, capacity to predict reincarnations increases. This might explain why it's only the battle-brained dumbasses that have the strongest memories of past lives. And then Noah who while seemingly an exception is an autist that can't even smile in a family photo with his newborn son.

Are unironically proposing that even after the worlds interlink, Noah reuinites with Mio because he hears a flute, we don't even know if Mio heard any flutes, and somehow everyone else gets left in the fricking dust? Nia and Melia knew about eachother prior to everything that happened in 3. But Noah and Mio are the only ones confirmed?

You're saying Noah and Mio are the only ones who reunite. So are Nia and Melia also unconfirmed. Even though they don't have the memory erasure shit.

>Which theme do you think the game is failing to execute?
Both the "uncertain future" and the strong bonds.
Noah immediately gets exactly what he wanted so there's no uncertainty. And I've already said how he doesn't actually care about his friends.
>the thing that's important is Noah's bonds and the willingness to risk parting ways with the hope of reconnecting another day
It falls flat because he immediately gets exactly what he wanted and is reunited with Mio

>Just because faith is rewarded doesn't mean that there wasn't an ambiguity prior to it being tested
So why are Noah and Mio the only ones rewarded? What about Noah's little gay speech about friendship? Why weren't his friends rewarded too?

I'm right, every XC2 thread turns to pol bullshit

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I made the entire post with no actual argument solely to shit on your spelling of delve, it felt funny as I typed it out. I dont actually disagree with you

feel free to think whatever you want, I wanted to make fun of dwelve instead of delve
is the entire thread just schizos paranoid about every other poster potentially being a namegay or something

>sis
DS1 is straight.
Gwyndolin is a boss and you kill him. And everyone bullies blues since they are allied with him.

That quest makes Jansen look like an actual creep. Like he was just waiting for his own brother to die so he could shoot his shot with Monica

>he abandons them and doesn't even help them find their own partners.
Source?

don't reply to this troll, he's just here to waste your time

I was just answering OP.

What was wrong with how I answered? I simply stated a fact that games don't need massive exposition dumps. They've just been conditioned to want these things because of a carryover from the NES days. It's like saying games should only run at 20 FPS because OOT couldn't achieve a better framerate.

That sounds really fricking dumb.

Ok, but it happened, so you have to make sense of it somehow, just saying "the writers just forced it to happen because XC3's plot needed it to happen" doesn't actually explain it in-universe, however contrived it has to be, there has to be an in-universe explanation for it.

>it's hard to notice but you can see small pieces of something purple glowing within the sheath
I beg to differ. All of the Moebius weapons have purple ether. It just mean N is powered by Z, who is evil Ontos.

Nope, Alpha is Alvis' Zanza while A is the Architect.
X, Y, Z are basically the anti Trinity Processors, and the fact Z is very much a Satan to Ontos' god kind of sell it to me.

Origin isn't Deus. Deus was created by humans but it doesn't respond to the will of people the same way Origin does. Deus has more in common with the Ganglion from X. Being some creation of a super advanced human predecessor. Except Deus recreates humanity instead of killing them.

Well Origin doesn't do that though. Orgin is more like the Zohar. Bit it's also not because Ontos is closer to the actual Zohar. So Origin is more like a Zohar emulator from Saga. Z is Deus. Creating by humanity unconciously. Created Aionios,ruler of the world. Is the guy you have to kill.

*Physcial forms

Zanza isn't actually a God. He's just a human powered up by the conduit. Literally anyone could do what Zanza does if they had Conduit power. Shulk is proof and evidence of this. Also souls memories is supposed to have a comma seperating. Soul or memories whichever you prefer. The basic idea is the same.

Noah literally spawns into the world and then immediately remembers the Agnian off-seeing them. He has actual memories. Everyone has actual memories,that why X explicitly states that they scrub the memories during conditioning.

Dude you spent the entire game freeing colonies from the clocks,
and building a support network between Kevesi and Agnian colonies. Even colony 11, filled with lunatics got friendly with other colonies. They're probably fine when there isn't a shadow governement conditioning them to fight and they have memories of their original lives pre-Aionios. So they know simple things like how babies are made.

The final boss of the game is a physical manifestation of humanities fears and shit. You defeat that. You only see named characters but everyone gets time to prepare for the new world shit before Origin kicks back-up.

>Can't even use reductionism properly, has to resort to "le" and "heckin'" to try and prove his argument
Wrong board

I paid money for something that was promised to be this grand conclusion wrapping up two stories I liked, and it just wound up being moralizing wank that exists to bulldoze those existing worlds, tell people to get over it because “embrace future”, and set up a trade for Takahashi’s own inability to let go of his past at the end of the DLC.