He genuinely thought he was making the right choice. More inexperienced people would soon leave the vault and endanger themselves to the hostile outside world.
>Sends inexperienced teen/adult into the outside world >Person comes back with the stuff you need to fix it >FRICK OFF LMAO
Nah, dude was moronic. Vault Dweller even protected the stupid butthole from being FEV'd.
I know, that's because the mutants that got sent were the "Harrys" and not the "Marcus's" The mutants that didn't have the IQ of the freezing point of water would have been able to not kill their fresh stock.
Any responsible leader would have done the same. To say nothing of whatever contagions you might be bringing back in with you from the surface, your very presence alone would encourage others to flee from the safety of the vault into the certain doom of the wastes. You can hate him, but he was right.
It seems like the next door neighbors were doing just fine. And it's not like you can live in the vault forever, even with the water chip. The Overseer just seemed cowardly, especially when one of his own wiped out the entire mutant threat.
Yeah The Khans are buttholes but it's not like living in a vault would stop any external threat from busting down the door if willing. I.E. the mutants. Better to actually scout out he world and take whatever resources it has left before someone else does.
THIS stupid son of a b***h is deciding SUPER DEFINITIVE canon
HOW? Just click to find out!
Community Manager troons hate him due to this one weird trick!
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It is a tv show made by bethesda, it is noncanon by two methods
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>anonymous nobody on an animu imageboard thinks he has a greater claim to declaring what is and is not canon over the literal company that owns the IP
You guys really are moronic
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Cope. I can declare whatever I want canon or non-canon and there is NOTHING that Todd or you can do about it.
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I almost envy you for being so mentally ill that you can live in your schizo fantasy world without letting things like "reality" stop you
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I just decided that Harry Potter and Die Hard take place in the same universe. What are you gonna do about it? Nothing.
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Impressive, anon. Who knows? If you believe hard enough, maybe one day you actually WILL be a woman
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Stob it!!!!
I know, that's because the mutants that got sent were the "Harrys" and not the "Marcus's" The mutants that didn't have the IQ of the freezing point of water would have been able to not kill their fresh stock.
If the bad ending occurs, it specifically says *you* lead the charge, and you are explicitly described as a “prime normal” so you should be a Marcus not a Harry, if you got the bad ending.
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Huh, well the mutie VD must of had a real grudge then. Seems weird to just kill your vault despite agreeing with the Unity and needing prime normals.
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>being so based that you can live in your schizo fantasy world without letting things like "reality" stop you
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Fallout isn't real though, it's fiction. Checkmate Todd.
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The man who owns the IP is a moron who makes up stupid bullshit that conflicts with the first game in the series so yes
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The moronic take is thinking that anything other than 1, 2, tactics and NV are canon.
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Any fallout that doesn't directly reference all the events of Fallout Tactics are non canon. 1 and 2 get a pass bc it came before Tactics.
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Tactics is horrible
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It's a pretty good time, funner than 3, 4 and 76 that's for damn sure. Plus, the entirety of the story is more canon than any of those games.
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Tactics isn't bad it's just less of an RPG and more Fallout trying to compete with the likes of Jagged Alliance 2 and XCOM with it's own thing.
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I don't agree, but also I don't know where the sudden fascination for Tactics is coming from. It's decent; but it absolutely fricked up the setting with most of Bethesda's worst ideas getting borrowed directly from it.
>Any responsible leader would have done the same. To say nothing of whatever contagions you might be bringing back in with you from the surface, your very presence alone would encourage others to flee from the safety of the vault into the certain doom of the wastes. You can hate him, but he was right.
This an you have another problem on your hands. They may leave and then not die. Meaning you have an ever growing population of "battle hardened" people living in the vault.
You get a risk of them growing their own cartel in the fracture between them and the rest of the people in the vault.
Real companies do this too. They boot out people who have stayed too long and get fresh hires. Amazon does this by "hiring" through temp agencies. The majority of human workers inside of an Amazon warehouse is mostly temp agency workers that are let go at 1,600 hours. And considering that they are also brought in during high volume events, like holidays they are working 10 or 12 hour shifts. This keeps people rotated and getting too comfortable because the first thing they do when they get comfy is start a smuggling ring and start stealing a crazy amount of material. Its normal to lose a few things here and there. But after about a year they start doing crazy shit like stealing entire pallets of TVs or canoes. Or they start finding ways to boost their KPI and other things. Packers making friends with pickers who only drop off stuff that doesn't need to go in boxes to their lines. You simply can't have managers on duty at all times to enforce policies that stop this. So you have to kick them out.
So its not unheard of in real life to kick out the most experienced people.
Any responsible leader would have done the same. To say nothing of whatever contagions you might be bringing back in with you from the surface, your very presence alone would encourage others to flee from the safety of the vault into the certain doom of the wastes. You can hate him, but he was right.
This. It's Authoritarianism 101. You never EVER want a capable and rational person in your entourage. You want your entourage and cabinet filled with the meek, unintelligent, hedonistic and non risk taker who are afraid of confrontation and losing their oh so coveted position of being in the leaders entourage.
The Vault Dweller just showed that he can go through hell and back to get a job done, you don't do that if you are lacking ambition and drive.
Ok say you keep him around. Well now the guy KNOWS his worth. He'll ask for more favors and favors are power (he'll it's how Julius Caesar amounted political power he loved doing favors) others will take notice. They'll get pissed at the perceived favoritism. Well now you are in the hotseat. The people are distrustful of you, allegations of corruption are now flying against you, sooner or later someone is gonna challenge you AND you still have to worry about the Vault Dweller ever growing tired of his post and taking over either out of greed or sense of duty to lead the people better.
Ehm, zoomers don't even understand folders. and that was one generation.
its not a crazy idea that when exposed to only farming and stories of the past they'd go all Mad Max 3 children.
People are stupid as frick.
Was the plan for Arroyo to be descended from Vault 13 planned at the start? I can't help but feel like it was another Interplay meddling thing. I'd be like if The Courier was actually the Chosen's son/daughter.
How did they all end up as brown people when the vault was mostly inhabited by white people including the vault dweller? Having them be related to the vault dweller at all was a stupid decision.
It's just a jab at isolationism because you only solved one problem, needing a water chip, what happens if something else breaks? He's going to have to send somebody else out, the do the value a favor by killing him
Wrong and incorrect. Vault 13 was explicitly a control Vault, the lack of replacement water chips being the consequence of a logistical error instead of an intentional experiment.
What was the deal with that one ghoul you find in the punk church who tells you he was from your vault and was also sent on the same mission? I thought that was building up to a plot twist where you realize the water chip failure is fake and the Overseer is just sending people out in secret as population control but that ends up never being followed up on. How long ago was he sent out? Why does my character not know about him when everyone in the vault knew I was on a mission? Was he sent out because of the same chip failure or was this a different event? That shit confused me completely.
Eh, I wouldn't say that's clear enough to say the game implies you are the only one sent out. You are the only hope they have because they are running on rations with maybe a few weeks left.
It's never stated that you were the only one sent out to retrieve the water chip, is it?
Literally the first thing you see in the game is another Vault Dweller lying dead right outside the door, so you know right away you aren't the first person to be sent out.
Cope all you want. Shady Sands will be a martyr in future games because guess who is running the show now? You should have jumped ship back in 2008 when Fallout 3 released. Otherwise shut the frick up.
It seems like the next door neighbors were doing just fine. And it's not like you can live in the vault forever, even with the water chip. The Overseer just seemed cowardly, especially when one of his own wiped out the entire mutant threat.
can't believe Bethsoft pulled the plug on shady sands, they most likely googled "important city fallout" and went with that so they could make their new OC feel important
you reach shady sands which has a well and is probably a better life than a vault within a day of walking
you can actually go back and re-enter the vault immediately after that and talk to him and tell him that he's like no the people can't handle it. I dunno kinda interesting, it really takes the feeling of a race against time away narratively even though you still lose if the clock runs out. Because in reality no one would really die of thirst
Steam/GOG should work out the box as they added in fan patches to get them running on modern systems. At best I recommend to update SFall along with installing Fixt for F1 and Unofficial Patch for F2.
You have to manually cap framerate through the driver because vsync makes the world map fricking crawl (and the actual game sorta stutters, at least at 60fps, if you have a 144hz monitor you might actually be good to go).
Cap the framerate to around 200.
If you were on steam deck, you would be fricked. You have to set the game’s cpu and gpu profile (every game gets its own custom profile on steam deck) to the minimum amount and hope that lowers it enough to make the world map tolerable but not go at a zillion frames.
You have to manually cap framerate through the driver because vsync makes the world map fricking crawl (and the actual game sorta stutters, at least at 60fps, if you have a 144hz monitor you might actually be good to go).
Cap the framerate to around 200.
If you were on steam deck, you would be fricked. You have to set the game’s cpu and gpu profile (every game gets its own custom profile on steam deck) to the minimum amount and hope that lowers it enough to make the world map tolerable but not go at a zillion frames.
m-muh social cohesion (yes he was moronic)
or m-muh domineering personality fear of the unknown projected onto captive populace (not really he was just moronic)
The Vault Dweller went through enough shit to make anyone snap. Real life war vets can find it ridiculously hard to assimilate back into a civilian state, so a wastelander who has seen real life horror movie monsters and hulks that abduct people for assimilation probably has some level of PTSD. From the moment they walked out of the vault, they were fricked, and Jacoren knew this. Which is what makes it hard for him to tell you it at that the end. He wasn't expecting you to return.
All of the people who killed this guy actually proved the point he was making, which makes it the most intelligently placed scene in the series. A person like the vault dweller is simply too dangerous to continue living in a peaceful secluded society.
Except that wasn’t his problem. His problem was the VD was exceptional and an hero. He was someone who was a threat to his vision of what should be. He was a threat.
Yes, vault dwellers shouldn't desire to be some trigger-happy murderous moron. Not only does that mean a lot of them will desire to exit the vault and get themselves killed but it also means that few that do survive will likely become dangerous murderhobos or raiders. The whole stability of the vault's culture is on the line. The only reason vault culture is even a thing is due to seclusion, it's the same reason the Brotherhood maintained their culture for so long.
Jacoren doesn't know you spent the entire game pickpocketing grenades into people's pouches, so your point exactly? The only thing he canonically saw was the canon VD as depicted by the outro cinematics, and they look pretty fricking scuffed.
He doesn’t know you would be a “murderhobo” either. Your argument is moronic. He also doesn’t say “you are violent” he says “everyone will look up to you and want to go off and have adventures like you.” Its purely political.
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>He doesn't know you would be a "murderhobo" either.
By the end of the game the player has wiped out an entire faction canonically. You also don't survive in the wasteland without constantly getting involved in life or death situations with other wastelanders. Vault dwellers are warned of the world above ground and for good reason. >everyone will look up to you and want to go off and have adventures like you
True. VD made the wasteland look like a silly joke, of course people are going to think it's just fun and games.
Judging by the tone of F1s ending, it hurt to be told you can never see your family and friends again. Even if VD didn't want to live in the Vault itself. Hell with F2 we know he didn't and wanted to live on the wasteland as a tribal, probably inspired by Shady Sands community.
>Why'd he do it? Was he moronic?
He was thirsty
I guess being dehydrated was enough to exile the Vault Dweller.
>literally tells you why he did it
Play the game and find out.
>not NV
waste of time
He genuinely thought he was making the right choice. More inexperienced people would soon leave the vault and endanger themselves to the hostile outside world.
>Sends inexperienced teen/adult into the outside world
>Person comes back with the stuff you need to fix it
>FRICK OFF LMAO
Nah, dude was moronic. Vault Dweller even protected the stupid butthole from being FEV'd.
when you intentionally dummy down your point it makes you sound really stupid, FYI.
>FEV'd
More like beaten to a pulp lol
Either could happen, it depends on which stock Lou sent to V13.
You can literally see the overseer get his shit pushed in in the bad ending.
I know, that's because the mutants that got sent were the "Harrys" and not the "Marcus's" The mutants that didn't have the IQ of the freezing point of water would have been able to not kill their fresh stock.
Any responsible leader would have done the same. To say nothing of whatever contagions you might be bringing back in with you from the surface, your very presence alone would encourage others to flee from the safety of the vault into the certain doom of the wastes. You can hate him, but he was right.
It seems like the next door neighbors were doing just fine. And it's not like you can live in the vault forever, even with the water chip. The Overseer just seemed cowardly, especially when one of his own wiped out the entire mutant threat.
>Shady Sands
>"doing just fine"
>he doesn't know
Yeah The Khans are buttholes but it's not like living in a vault would stop any external threat from busting down the door if willing. I.E. the mutants. Better to actually scout out he world and take whatever resources it has left before someone else does.
Shady Sands is unironically nuked in the show. It's Gonesville.
Nobody gives a shit about some noncanon tv show
Keep butthurt NCRgay
>noncanon
Okay, but it actually is canon tho
The canon is what I say it is.
>The canon is what I say it is.
Absolutely based
You're literally me.
THIS stupid son of a b***h is deciding SUPER DEFINITIVE canon
HOW? Just click to find out!
Community Manager troons hate him due to this one weird trick!
It is a tv show made by bethesda, it is noncanon by two methods
>anonymous nobody on an animu imageboard thinks he has a greater claim to declaring what is and is not canon over the literal company that owns the IP
You guys really are moronic
Cope. I can declare whatever I want canon or non-canon and there is NOTHING that Todd or you can do about it.
I almost envy you for being so mentally ill that you can live in your schizo fantasy world without letting things like "reality" stop you
I just decided that Harry Potter and Die Hard take place in the same universe. What are you gonna do about it? Nothing.
Impressive, anon. Who knows? If you believe hard enough, maybe one day you actually WILL be a woman
Stob it!!!!
If the bad ending occurs, it specifically says *you* lead the charge, and you are explicitly described as a “prime normal” so you should be a Marcus not a Harry, if you got the bad ending.
Huh, well the mutie VD must of had a real grudge then. Seems weird to just kill your vault despite agreeing with the Unity and needing prime normals.
>being so based that you can live in your schizo fantasy world without letting things like "reality" stop you
Fallout isn't real though, it's fiction. Checkmate Todd.
The man who owns the IP is a moron who makes up stupid bullshit that conflicts with the first game in the series so yes
The moronic take is thinking that anything other than 1, 2, tactics and NV are canon.
Any fallout that doesn't directly reference all the events of Fallout Tactics are non canon. 1 and 2 get a pass bc it came before Tactics.
Tactics is horrible
It's a pretty good time, funner than 3, 4 and 76 that's for damn sure. Plus, the entirety of the story is more canon than any of those games.
Tactics isn't bad it's just less of an RPG and more Fallout trying to compete with the likes of Jagged Alliance 2 and XCOM with it's own thing.
I don't agree, but also I don't know where the sudden fascination for Tactics is coming from. It's decent; but it absolutely fricked up the setting with most of Bethesda's worst ideas getting borrowed directly from it.
>Any responsible leader would have done the same. To say nothing of whatever contagions you might be bringing back in with you from the surface, your very presence alone would encourage others to flee from the safety of the vault into the certain doom of the wastes. You can hate him, but he was right.
This an you have another problem on your hands. They may leave and then not die. Meaning you have an ever growing population of "battle hardened" people living in the vault.
You get a risk of them growing their own cartel in the fracture between them and the rest of the people in the vault.
Real companies do this too. They boot out people who have stayed too long and get fresh hires. Amazon does this by "hiring" through temp agencies. The majority of human workers inside of an Amazon warehouse is mostly temp agency workers that are let go at 1,600 hours. And considering that they are also brought in during high volume events, like holidays they are working 10 or 12 hour shifts. This keeps people rotated and getting too comfortable because the first thing they do when they get comfy is start a smuggling ring and start stealing a crazy amount of material. Its normal to lose a few things here and there. But after about a year they start doing crazy shit like stealing entire pallets of TVs or canoes. Or they start finding ways to boost their KPI and other things. Packers making friends with pickers who only drop off stuff that doesn't need to go in boxes to their lines. You simply can't have managers on duty at all times to enforce policies that stop this. So you have to kick them out.
So its not unheard of in real life to kick out the most experienced people.
This. It's Authoritarianism 101. You never EVER want a capable and rational person in your entourage. You want your entourage and cabinet filled with the meek, unintelligent, hedonistic and non risk taker who are afraid of confrontation and losing their oh so coveted position of being in the leaders entourage.
The Vault Dweller just showed that he can go through hell and back to get a job done, you don't do that if you are lacking ambition and drive.
Ok say you keep him around. Well now the guy KNOWS his worth. He'll ask for more favors and favors are power (he'll it's how Julius Caesar amounted political power he loved doing favors) others will take notice. They'll get pissed at the perceived favoritism. Well now you are in the hotseat. The people are distrustful of you, allegations of corruption are now flying against you, sooner or later someone is gonna challenge you AND you still have to worry about the Vault Dweller ever growing tired of his post and taking over either out of greed or sense of duty to lead the people better.
How did the Arroyo villagers go from normal wastelanders and Vault dwellers to rock-worshipping unga-bunga savages in one generation?
The GECK and its consequences have been a disaster for tribals.
Radiation melting their brains.
Ehm, zoomers don't even understand folders. and that was one generation.
its not a crazy idea that when exposed to only farming and stories of the past they'd go all Mad Max 3 children.
People are stupid as frick.
Was the plan for Arroyo to be descended from Vault 13 planned at the start? I can't help but feel like it was another Interplay meddling thing. I'd be like if The Courier was actually the Chosen's son/daughter.
IIRC only small part of Arroyo's population were Vault dwellers, most were people already living outside who tagged on
How did they all end up as brown people when the vault was mostly inhabited by white people including the vault dweller? Having them be related to the vault dweller at all was a stupid decision.
The same reason everyone has forgotten pre-2077 history, the existence of books, and etc. It's to fit a narrative.
It's just a jab at isolationism because you only solved one problem, needing a water chip, what happens if something else breaks? He's going to have to send somebody else out, the do the value a favor by killing him
Bruh, do you have eyes? He's some kind of cave man.
>Why'd he do it?
because the overseer guide said to do so
the water chip breaking was a planned experiment by vault-tec from the very start
Wrong and incorrect. Vault 13 was explicitly a control Vault, the lack of replacement water chips being the consequence of a logistical error instead of an intentional experiment.
my mistake then
What was the deal with that one ghoul you find in the punk church who tells you he was from your vault and was also sent on the same mission? I thought that was building up to a plot twist where you realize the water chip failure is fake and the Overseer is just sending people out in secret as population control but that ends up never being followed up on. How long ago was he sent out? Why does my character not know about him when everyone in the vault knew I was on a mission? Was he sent out because of the same chip failure or was this a different event? That shit confused me completely.
It's never stated that you were the only one sent out to retrieve the water chip, is it?
>It's never stated that you were the only one sent out to retrieve the water chip, is it?
But you are, implicitly at least.
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Why did the Overseer lie?
Eh, I wouldn't say that's clear enough to say the game implies you are the only one sent out. You are the only hope they have because they are running on rations with maybe a few weeks left.
Literally the first thing you see in the game is another Vault Dweller lying dead right outside the door, so you know right away you aren't the first person to be sent out.
You are not smart enough to understand the overseer, chump!
The IP will never touch or show post war American civilization like this ever again
Shit looks more well kept and functional than even Vegas
Cope all you want. Shady Sands will be a martyr in future games because guess who is running the show now? You should have jumped ship back in 2008 when Fallout 3 released. Otherwise shut the frick up.
can't believe Bethsoft pulled the plug on shady sands, they most likely googled "important city fallout" and went with that so they could make their new OC feel important
you reach shady sands which has a well and is probably a better life than a vault within a day of walking
you can actually go back and re-enter the vault immediately after that and talk to him and tell him that he's like no the people can't handle it. I dunno kinda interesting, it really takes the feeling of a race against time away narratively even though you still lose if the clock runs out. Because in reality no one would really die of thirst
are the original fallout games good if i liked baldur's gate?
Well they're not RTwP but Turn Based. So maybe? They're worth at least a try.
how well do they run on win10 systems? do i have to do anything special to get it to run?
Steam/GOG should work out the box as they added in fan patches to get them running on modern systems. At best I recommend to update SFall along with installing Fixt for F1 and Unofficial Patch for F2.
thanks
You have to manually cap framerate through the driver because vsync makes the world map fricking crawl (and the actual game sorta stutters, at least at 60fps, if you have a 144hz monitor you might actually be good to go).
Cap the framerate to around 200.
If you were on steam deck, you would be fricked. You have to set the game’s cpu and gpu profile (every game gets its own custom profile on steam deck) to the minimum amount and hope that lowers it enough to make the world map tolerable but not go at a zillion frames.
someone post him with the monster energy zero ultra, please thank you.
m-muh social cohesion (yes he was moronic)
or m-muh domineering personality fear of the unknown projected onto captive populace (not really he was just moronic)
Wish you could respond to him as he leaves/ I always wanted to tell him "you know too much and would be a danger yourself" before blowing him apart.
The Vault Dweller went through enough shit to make anyone snap. Real life war vets can find it ridiculously hard to assimilate back into a civilian state, so a wastelander who has seen real life horror movie monsters and hulks that abduct people for assimilation probably has some level of PTSD. From the moment they walked out of the vault, they were fricked, and Jacoren knew this. Which is what makes it hard for him to tell you it at that the end. He wasn't expecting you to return.
All of the people who killed this guy actually proved the point he was making, which makes it the most intelligently placed scene in the series. A person like the vault dweller is simply too dangerous to continue living in a peaceful secluded society.
Except that wasn’t his problem. His problem was the VD was exceptional and an hero. He was someone who was a threat to his vision of what should be. He was a threat.
Yes, vault dwellers shouldn't desire to be some trigger-happy murderous moron. Not only does that mean a lot of them will desire to exit the vault and get themselves killed but it also means that few that do survive will likely become dangerous murderhobos or raiders. The whole stability of the vault's culture is on the line. The only reason vault culture is even a thing is due to seclusion, it's the same reason the Brotherhood maintained their culture for so long.
Except that doesn’t apply to a VD who is a sneaky speech guy.
Jacoren doesn't know you spent the entire game pickpocketing grenades into people's pouches, so your point exactly? The only thing he canonically saw was the canon VD as depicted by the outro cinematics, and they look pretty fricking scuffed.
He doesn’t know you would be a “murderhobo” either. Your argument is moronic. He also doesn’t say “you are violent” he says “everyone will look up to you and want to go off and have adventures like you.” Its purely political.
>He doesn't know you would be a "murderhobo" either.
By the end of the game the player has wiped out an entire faction canonically. You also don't survive in the wasteland without constantly getting involved in life or death situations with other wastelanders. Vault dwellers are warned of the world above ground and for good reason.
>everyone will look up to you and want to go off and have adventures like you
True. VD made the wasteland look like a silly joke, of course people are going to think it's just fun and games.
Why not have him be dumb?
I think he just hates you.
But does your Vault Dweller even want to stay? When you come back to deliver the chip, everything seems sterile and flat and unexciting.
Judging by the tone of F1s ending, it hurt to be told you can never see your family and friends again. Even if VD didn't want to live in the Vault itself. Hell with F2 we know he didn't and wanted to live on the wasteland as a tribal, probably inspired by Shady Sands community.
Because he feared he would compromise the vault experiment had he stayed.
The writers of the series certainly were.