Low effort Chad realizes that Melina and Miquella are THE SAME PERSON, yet vaatividya who has a good income and career from guessing this stuff hasn't realized what was IN YOUR FACE the whole time....
Is this the end for him? Where does he go from here? Was Miyakaka just too smart for him?
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i dont think melina and miquella are the same person
>shilling your own channel
>they're the same person
no, fool. they're twins.
No, they're half siblings
I find it hard to believe that anyone actually cares about ER's piecemeal "lore".
This. Anyone pretending that ER has "deep" lore that you have to figure out is moronic at this point. They clearly just didn't think a lot of stuff through and don't even have the answers themselves.
DS3 and ER have both had Miyazaki admitting that the game is just missing shit so that players can invent their own story. Basically nothing matters because whatever the player says is their interpretation is the case.
>just missing shit so that players can invent their own story
Nice way of reframing 'ran out of time to finish shit'.
>just missing shit so that players can invent their own story
What's missing?
It's literally based off of European alchemy you inbred third-world Black folk.
Ok?
>alchemy
Literally Hermeticism for brainlets.
>t. brainlet
Man you are such a gullible imbecile.
I had the honor of reading some literal who's opinion on the upcoming Vindictus game stating that he hopes they fill the game with tons of story and world building because for some reason games have to cash in big on loretuber
It has the sloppiest lore out of any 2009+ Fromsoftware game. Also doesn't help that you just know the writers invented plot up on the apot to fit unused asset bosses in rather than actually taking part in the design process from the start.
I care about it but I'm not taking it seriously until we get the complete game. In any case this is just Solaire firstborn tier lorehomosexualry and it has nothing to do with me.
No they're not. Miquella is chilling in his egg and Melina is hanging with you. That's stupid. Marika and Radagon aren't two people.
>Marika and Radagon aren't two people.
Yes they are. But they also aren't. But they are because there's no lore.
>Miquella is chilling in his egg
his body is, sure, Melina is noncorporeal.
>Marika and Radagon aren't two people.
they used to be.
haven't watched the vid and i'm neutral on the theory but that's hardly a refutation
>they used to be.
Nope. Radagon came to exist inside Marika. That's why Radagon's and Rennala's kids are so stronk, it was actually her body.
one of the churches has that dialogue with Melina where Marika is talking to Radagon as a completely separate individual from herself, he doesn't become a part of her until later
She was talking to herself, jeering at him for not having yet taken full control
>O Radagon, leal hound of the Golden Order. Thou'rt yet to become me. Thou'rt yet to become a god. Let us be shattered, both. Mine other self.
nah
>Mine other self.
>leal hound of the Golden Order
how did Radagon get that kind of reputation as being loyal and dutiful for the Golden Order if he didn't exist yet but had yet to "become" Marika? it's very clear he was already some kind of soldier/priest with his own individual identity and later merged with Marika. "thou are yet to become me" - this was before their fusion.
Marika is disloyal to the golden order, betrays it and shatters the ring. Radagon is loyal and tries to repair it.
Sounds like she trashtalks Radagon, a side of herself she hates and finds weak and not godlike like herself.
She clearly talks about shattering the elden ring, which in turn would shatter herself, and Radagon both.
I read it like this : "Radagon, you're the golden order's b***h, you're no god. I'll shatter us both".
>to the golden order
Watch out. The Golden Order is just a religion, which Radadon embodies the principles of. The Greater Will is an entity which the GO ultimately supports.
Queen masquerades as one of her soldiers to fight on the frontlines? I agree that Radagon feels more like an individual who BECAME part of Marika rather than a part of her that separated into an individual.
Marika isn't disloyal to the Golden Order, Marika shatters the Ring because of Deathroot, and because she knows that without restoring Death in the Elden Ring the Erdtree would absorb Godwyn and his Deathroot. This is what Gideon sees in the ends, and wants to stop
Complete headcanon, zero evidence of this. Melina serves her mother Marika, Miquella stands against the Erdtree and Marika.
Marika openly suggests that she's unhappy with how the golden order doctrine ended up being, but yes, it is clear she wants death restored to the elden ring. But,
>This is what Gideon sees in the ends,
Nah Gideon is just coping and making excuses for having been outdone by a newbie
>Thou'rt yet to become me
I mean, I agree with you, but this whole line doesn't prove or disprove anything
>Using the english translation
You guys are moronic.
i can't read moon
There is no Japanese voice acting moron, it's only English.
>noooo Fromsoft doesn't know what they put in their own game!
The way weebs treat the Japanese like small children is insane.
are the Japanese subtitles translations of the English dialogue or from the original script before it was translated?
also for all we know Miyazaki approved/encouraged translation errors because the storytelling style goes back to him reading English fantasy books before having a good grasp of the language, it's basically recreating that for Japanese players
Yeah, that's the whole switcheroo plotline, everyone thought Marika and Radagon were different individuals. But they never were, that's why the statue reveals a "big secret". The ingame text even states that the sculptor realized they were the same person an along while making the statue.
That's why I thought he might be a reincarnated fell god. A parasite, like mistletoe growing on the Erdtree, a separate entity attached to Marika.
>Melina's been a reverse trap this whole time
Huh.
What sad frick still watches vaati? Dude peaked with ds1. Ds2 he went downhill and after that he just straight up steals smaller lore videos for his own content
I know right? It was a cute work of passion during DS1, then it just became cringe to see him try so hard.
well, his last lore video got 2.3 million views so i guess that's 2.3 million sad fricks
There are significantly more sad fricks than that.
He's always been stealing content. He just went from stealing from demons souls threads to stealing from reddit threads to stealing from other youtubers.
Because he got a large number of followers and they probably expected him to always deliver something, even if it nonsensical. That's a cult following for you, placing a non-existent burden on the person who started it all.
He's constantly being shilled by major LP channels because the idea of reading item descriptions for yourself is foreign to Souls fans
No way that guys video is right but nice boomer meme image
Elden Lore Schizos should genuinely be diagnosed for mental illness.
the metamorphosis is just about a guy turning into a big bug
Or a schoolgirl with no friends.
The amount of seeth about that random dude on Ganker is something to behold.
He didn't rape your children. He didn't troon out. He never fondled little children like a Biden supporter. He just made lore videos for his patreonpigs, and he made them well, but because he's poplar Ganker hates him.
No one care.
>and he made them well,
Actually he's a brainlet with surface level takes who often spreads blatant misinformation. But yes, at least he's not a gay.
He and prepare to die forever tainted perception of these games. Fromsoft has S tier aethetics, worlds, and enemy designs. They have mediocre to bad story telling and mediocre combat. All of the worst traits are talked about to death and the best traits receive no attention. It's insanely frustrating.
>They have mediocre to bad story telling and mediocre combat.
You are gay and bad at video games
But bro! The super methodical and deep combat! Only achievable by the inclusion of a green bar that regulates when you attack!
God man, you're so casual. Unlike me, a mature gamer.
You lack media literacy (the real kind not the one leftists sperg about).
It's not trans, it's eldritch body horror.
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>Siblings look alike
Whoa.
Melina is either a previous rival of Marika who was killed by Maliketh and then spirit tuned by Marika, or Marika's own disembodied spirit. We know this because she is the gloam eyed queen. Miquella was born well after the GEQ was defeated. Plus, Miquella already has a female alter ego, Saint Trina.
Here's my schizo theory. The Erdtree handles reincarnation, right? We can all agree on that? People return to the roots when it's time to die because natural death has been turned off (although now this is semi broken) and are reborn through some kind of ritual involving chosen mothers (who got cursed into becoming bats somehow) and the perfumers (and guilt over this process going wrong and omens being born is what led some perfumers to start sniffing roid aromatics and becoming omenkillers). This is why the Golden Order can incorporate almost anything that doesn't also have some competing process of reincarnation going on, because you just kill the heretics and shove their souls into the print queue for good Erdtree loyalists. So what happens when you shove something really, really big into that system? Say, one of the two of three deities we know of? Like a massive order clogging up a busy print queue, this could start breaking down the system if it doesn't get proper maintenance. So let's say someone kills the Rot God and shoves it into the machine, it waits around until a vessel strong enough to contain it (a demigod) is born, but even then it's too big and starts asserting its nature through its new form. This is how you get Malenia. Similarly, the dragon god with its themes of immortality, distance, and ancient timeless wisdom could be Miquella, but what about the Fell God of the Giants? One eyed, bodiless, parasitic, associated with fire and incantations. Does that sound familiar? However, the Gloam Eyed Queen is also a really good fit for Melina, and that leads me to the insane part. I think the Fell God is Radagon. He shows up right around that time and it's when the Erdtree starts coughing out major printing errors. He can't exist without Marika giving him a physical body, he has red hair, he's associated with smithing, and he seems oddly repentant as if he had at one time been an enemy of his current faction. 1/2
What possible better weapon could there be for Marika if she was planning rebellion than to tie herself to another god and make it part of her? Just her bad luck that Radagon had been brainwashed too hard. It also explains why the children they created, born of two gods, would be sufficiently potent vessels to house the remaining essence of the Rot Goddess, Old Dragon God, and Gloam Eyed Queen. 2/2
The issue is that this relies on the assumption that the golden order was something thrust upon her by the greater will, and thus that her plan was always to stage a rebellion against God. But we know for a fact that the greater will doesn't really give a shit about mortal religion (as indicated by the fact that the previous dominant theocracy in the lands between was completely different) and all of the bad shit about the golden order was created by Marika herself, and her own children and subordinates. What's more the reason that Melina is conspicuously "missing" an eye is more likely to be due to the fact that Maliketh tore out the GEQ's eye when he defeated her (interestingly, Marika is missing the same eye, implying that the GEQ may have actually been her, forcing her shadow to intervene similarly to how Blaidd will turn on Ranni if she goes after the two fingers). But that last point may be coincidental.
I do like the idea of Malenia being the way she is because she's just literally the reincarnation of the rot god via the erdtree. That's genuinely pretty plausible. But, I disagree about Miquella being a reincarnation of the missing dragon god, because that thing vanished before the erd tree existed, and waaay before Miquella was born.
It's one thing to have the Golden Order, it's another thing to have it with oversight from the GW and Fingers. Marika is a fickle woman, even if she caused all the problems she might still resent having a check on her and grabble for a way to remove that check. I agree that Melina is probably the GEQ so I have nothing to argue about there, but what I really, not defensively, want to know is if there's any evidence the Dragon God fricked off BEFORE the Erdtree was a thing.
>but what I really, not defensively, want to know is if there's any evidence the Dragon God fricked off BEFORE the Erdtree was a thing.
The previous dragon goddess was the dragon version of Marika, the host of the elden ring. The fact that Marika has the elden ring, and could obviously have only modified the elden ring and grown the erdtree (or grown it out of the crucible or whatever) after having obtained it, means that the dragon goddess must have already lost it. Now I guess, hypothetically, she could have lost the elden ring and then stuck around and then died for some reason (without killing placidusax, somehow), but the more likely explanation is that she was killed in the catastrophe that ruined Faruma Azula, and the elden ring itself was carried in the debris down to the lands between, where Marika eventually obtained it, potentially after defeating rival empyreans for it.
The question then is whether we know there is a significant time gap. Or how much of one would need to exist, because we know the Elden Beast arrived long before Marika. The way I see it is
>Dragon god dies
>Dragons wait patiently for her to be reborn. Very patiently.
>Nothing happens, Marika has inherited the Elden Ring during this interim and the Dragon God's soul is in the tree
>Dragons keep waiting, more time passes
>Dragons find out the truth and launch an attack, Placidusax is broken and still waiting
>Gransax, Fortissax, and his imouto lead this attack, Gran dies, Godwyn befriends Fortissax. Ancient Dragons are appeased by getting to teach their ways to the Erdtree Faithful with the Ancient Dragon Cult worshipping them.
Well in this case, lets throw out Miquella and the Fell god then, and make things simpler
>Dragon god of sunlight and temporal stasis dies because she got hit by an astroid
>Dragons wait for her return
>It doesn't work
>Dragons find out Marika has the elden ring and stuffed it in her own body and used it to create the erd tree and the golden order
>Dragons are pissed, attack, not going great, Godwyn points out that Marika's GO isn't that different from what they believe
>They make peace
>Radagon, a god of sunlight and temporal stasis is born within Marika, and begins resisting her efforts to unmake her own religion
>Radagon is A Dragon.
This is actually very plausible. At this point our real question is whether Melina, Miquella, or Radagon is more like the dragon god or the fell god. I lean towards Miquella = Dragon mostly because he doesn't fit anything else and he has the whole multiplicity and serenity aspect going on, along with his permayouth, multiple headed dragon = Empyrean with multiple identities. That said, why not both? Maybe souls are fluid and can get divided up and combined when reincarnated, like the masses of bodies we see around the roots of the Erdtree melting together?
Oh and regarding Radagon, while the idea of him being a repentant version of the fell god is interesting, it's disproven by the game itself, as it manifests in the fire giant itself, implying it still exists as a fire god, if as an incorporeal entity. Radagon also is clearly representative of a completely different terrestrial god.
Why is it disproven? Radagon is always called incomplete, why would a missing piece of him be surprising? We see the same with the Rot God, most of it is in Malenia but traces of it still exist in the Lake of Rot.
Because we see directly what god is lurking within Radagon after we kick his ass: the elden beast. Plus Radagon has absolutely no fire attacks or motifs, and is even weak to fire. It's not impossible that his existence may have been in part CAUSED by the fell god, part of the curse of the last fire giant, but clearly it is not OF the fell god. "If you would bind my soul to protect the golden order no matter what, then I curse you the same"
The Elden Beast was present but not inside Radagon. The Beast itself isn't a god, the sword (Radagon/Marika) it wields is. As for him not using fire? Guilt and aversion. He hates himself for what he is and various items mention he deliberately studied sorcery and incants to try to become complete. It could be a curse, but that depends a lot on how you define a curse. "Devour me if you will, but you will choke on what you swallow of me." Is more how I see it. Converting the ultimate heretic only to have them coup you as head of your religion.
I would argue the elden beast is just as much a god as any other of the terrestrial gods. Obviously not on the level of the greater will, but nothing is, save the primeval current, and perhaps the 3 fingers
God has a specific context and isn't just a power level, and the Three Fingers aren't anywhere near the GW.
>God has a specific context and isn't just a power level
I disagree. Hell, the game even shows a demigod becoming a, pardon my lack of a better term, "outer god", namely Godwyn's corpse becoming the prince of death.
When is Godwyn ever called a god?
Actually frick it, here's what led me to thinking about this. First, Radagon is constantly referred to as being incomplete. Second, the dragon war makes no sense. Placidusax, Lord of the Ancient Dragons, apparently doesn't fight in it, which implies he was already out of action. If so, why? How did he get his terrible wounds? Is it possible that the actual form of the Dragon God was his OTHER heads, the ones that are missing? After all, he wouldn't be the only Elden Lord to share a body with his deity. These also share a trait with Miquella of being either androgynous or having both male and female aspects since Placidusax has both male and female ancient dragon heads. What if the whole conflict started over the soul of the Dragon God getting succed into the Erdtree for reincarnation under the Golden Order rather than by whatever means the Ancient Dragons usually employed? It would explain why they attacked out of nowhere, rather than the Golden Order attacking them where they live the way they do to literally everyone else. I think this accident was what led to Marika trying to incorporate more and more gods and the Gloam Eyed Queen, because it showed it was possible, and planted the seeds for her rebellion as she got to see just how powerful her system could become and how fallible the Fingers were.
The only reason Marika even got the elden ring was because Farum Azula was already ruined. Placidusax is likely AFK because he's using his dragon time powers to stretch out the moment of its destruction to infinity (although not perfectly, hence why some pieces suddenly regain their momentum and crash into the lands between). If the dragons started the war because they were mad their god queen got sucked into the erdtree, it seems extremely unlikely that Godwyn could have gotten them to chill. What could he possibly say to resolve that particular theological crisis?
Do we know that Farum Azula was already ruined, or is it possible Marika's ascension is what ruined it? As for Godwyn, he was a persuasive guy everyone loved, and it's possible he showed them that this was automatic and they couldn't do anything about it but exist as friends. Sort of a "we're one people now whether we like it or not" situation if that makes sense.
>Do we know that Farum Azula was already ruined, or is it possible Marika's ascension is what ruined it?
Farum Azula was clearly struck by a colossal asteroid traveling east to west. After it was hit, dragon time powers were able to stretch out that moment and thus "save" the city at the very instant of its destruction. It's not clear how or even why Marika would do this.
>As for Godwyn, he was a persuasive guy everyone loved, and it's possible he showed them that this was automatic and they couldn't do anything about it but exist as friends. Sort of a "we're one people now whether we like it or not" situation if that makes sense.
I mean yeah, except either
1. The erd tree functions fundamentally differently than the crucible in which case they have no reason to believe Godwyn when he says that there was nothing that could have been done to prevent it (because he would obviously be lying) or
2. The erdtree DOES function similarly to the crucible in which case the dragons would have no particular reason to feel upset.
The Greater Will has punished people before by dropping shit on them from space. See Astel. It wouldn't need to be Marika directly casting a meteor on them. As for your last two points... I'm not sure what you're getting at. Maybe the dragons had a foolproof way to reincarnate their god. Maybe they were mad because they thought their god had been deliberately stolen only to find out the Erdtree worked automatically and was the natural replacement for their system with its different-looking Elden Ring and there was nothing to be accomplished by slaughtering people over it. I'm having a hard time responding because I'm not sure where your argument is coming from, sorry.
We're told the greater will punished the Nox, that may or may not have been Astel. It could also be the GO attributing the destruction of the Nox to the greater will when it was really an accident or even their own fault. But even if the greater will did destroy the Nox, the Nox were trying to usurp and replace creation with their own mirror version of life. That the creator god might see this as a sin is understandable. What could the dragons have possibly done to warrant such destruction?
>Maybe they were mad because they thought their god had been deliberately stolen only to find out the Erdtree worked automatically
Well I guess that's just the thing, Marika made the erd tree, she decided how it functions. If it was fundamentally different from how things used to work, it is her fault, through a deliberate choice she made, that the dragon god was lost. I suppose they could have been fooled. I doubt that Placidusax would have been, but he didn't show.
I thought it's explicitly stated somewhere that they had a malformed star dropped on them which took away their sky, huh. As far as Marika making the Erdtree, no, it existed before her as the Crucible and as something else before that, it arrived with the Elden Beast in prehistory. There's also no evidence she decides how it works.
>I thought it's explicitly stated somewhere that they had a malformed star dropped on them which took away their sky, huh.
It is, in fact the astel that stole the stars from the Nox city where Godwyn is now is the one we fight below Ranni's house. That's why its boss arena is full of glowy shiny shit. But, this creature and its destruction of that city is not explicitly connected to the greater will's punishment, which was said to be what banished them below ground in the first place.
>As far as Marika making the Erdtree, no, it existed before her as the Crucible and as something else before that, it arrived with the Elden Beast in prehistory.
Certainly the elden beast and the ring predate all life on the planet, they are the source of it after all, and the existence of a big tree predates Marika (as shown in the Farum Azula central church), and the crucible was likely this previous tree. But the nature of the tree is malleable and its specific nature is determined by the holder of the greater will. That's why the erd tree now recycles human bodies instead mixing together forms of life into chimeras, because Marika said so, and why her religion chimeras like misbegotten and demihumans, or people who even look like chimeras such as omens.
>which was said to be what banished them below ground in the first place
The Nox went underground first, and then were "punished" for plotting against the GW.
Well like I said, the GO could just be bullshitting. But their story is that the GW punished them by pushing them under ground where they couldn't see the moon. But this doesn't really jive because it seems more likely they started fricking around with mercury after already going underground. So it's not super clear when or even if the GW actually directly intervened to punish them. It could even be that their civilization was destroyed simply because as it turns out, it's a bad idea to make alchemical dopplegangers.
I had already drifted away by Elden Ring but I was done with the first lore video for it.
Took a month to release the first one and it was basically a "stay tuned for the real lore videos".
b***h I ain't staying tuned I've already played 300 hours of this game and spent 10 hours watching lore videos from people who actually have to try. This game is going back on the shelf until Enemy/Item Randomizer is ready.
Next Zelda spinoff will feature Vaati
Trust the plan
The only elden ring character that matters is Mohg.
not because of any lore reasons. he is just cool as frick and thats all that really matters
would be sick if the expansion did a "rule of cool" boss fight where you fight Mohg who also wields chaos flame. Chaos blood.
True
The only BASED character in the piece of trash that is ER.
if you are interested in fromsoft lore in this manner, you are a certified midwit.
His best content were Demon's Souls and Dark Souls 1 videos because he ripped the content straight from old Ganker
Everything that he's done since then has been shit
His income depends on Fromsoft's success so all his videos on their games are fluff pieces. While I also like those games I don't think they're perfect and they should be criticized when appropriate
His analysis of both gameplay and lore is always limited to the surface level showing a lack of understanding for storytelling and mediocre gaming skills
And now he makes his own "theories" instead of ripping them from here but they're significantly worse because he doesn't understand that fan theories are supposed to be backed by ingame content, what he does has more in common with writing fanfiction than theorizing
Here's a perspective, there are adults paying this grown man to read them fanfiction while they delude themselves about it being intellectually engaging.
and now imagine caring so much about something so silly, that you tell other people how little you like it
Commenting on something you see is observation, not emotional investment. Yet, your response does sound emotionally motivated. Did I upset you talking about your storytime daddy?
>Melina and Miquella are THE SAME PERSON
uh, no? miquella is in mohgs little egg thing the whole game. i don't care if one little lore tidbit implies it might be true when there is a mountain of other shit that would need explaining if it was
The game tells you he's asleep and has been for ages, implying his actual spirit is out on a walk somewhere. That said, he's not Melina, and the nature of what exactly he's been up to will be revealed in the DLC
That's moronic. In my game Melina is nothing but ashes. They have to structure the dlc around every development of the main story and it does not effect endings.
They aren't the same human but are the same person
its reverse umineko
>Melina and Miquella are THE SAME PERSON
I enjoy drinking paint, too.
Miquella already masqueraded as Saint Trina so it's not like it would be completely out of the question. as far as out there theories this one seems pretty benign.
i dont get why anyone watches lore youtubers
the whole appeal of lore is that its told in a way where you have to read and piece things together yourself
if you want everything to be clearly explained in a linear fashion why wouldnt you just play a game with a traditional story
Because people want to be lazy sometimes and be spoonfed stolen opinions in an edited format.
Because they want to be part of the discussion but they don't want to do any of the work (or are incapable of it) and they don't care about the damage they do to discussion by parroting shit thirdhand and trying to shout down people who actually played the game
As if you can call reading item descriptions work but here we are. People read wiki pages and pretend their ultimate fans of something. The internet has fallen.
Twins look alike? Who would have thought?
I am a mongoloid. I thought the OP said Malenia. Fricking GRRM and his names.
Melina isn't Radagon's daughter, she long predates their marriage. She might be Marika's daughter from before Godfrey, or even Marika's own spirit.
No evidence of that.
She is the GEQ which means she must predate radagon. She also says that she's Marika's daughter which means she must be a daughter from before Godfrey. Alternatively, she could mean that metaphorically, and she's actually Marika's disembodied spirit.
In America, children don't look like their parents or each other because the women are prostitutes
>Thirdie seethes about America unprovoked
Every time.
Melina is Ranni's body. Believe it.
What's up with Miyazaki and his obsession with trans shit?
its a japanese approach, not a israeli approach
Ya, I'm convinced now that Melina is Miquellas alter ego, St. Trina. If that turns out false it would be shocking.
But they have literally nothing in common other than that they are both girls and (probably) both children of Marika
Melina is 100% the gloam eyed queen, though.
Never has a Fromsoft game filtered morons with its lore the way Elden Ring has. Yeah the lore is fragmented and suffers from the usual issues that all Fromsoft games have such as rewrites and cut content, but there’s an egregious amount of people who just can’t piece basic shit together. So many of the themes and symbolism in the game draw heavily from alchemy, and most people are too moronic to grasp any of that shit.
It's still fanfiction. Alchemy doesn't really mean shit when you can just say FMA was super popular in Japan and Melina is missing the same arm and leg as Edward.
Armored Core are the only FROM games that have any form of consistent writing, and even then a lot of creative staff comes from outside the company on AC games since they've always been part of Kawamori's circle.
You mean Malenia? All of these games have consistent writing, you just have to be educated or have some guy on youtube explain what a rebis is.
ER lore has characters that operate as matroyshka dolls and like 15 frickers with G R or M names because of a narcissistic fat israeli frick. Of course there is confusion.
>Implying actual monarchies didn't name their members the same
See the kings of France
Are you seriously defending the fact that every single fricking character in the game is a G, R, or M as anything other than ostentatious vanity? Wellaktually one more time motherfricker.
Yes. An author can call his characters whatever the frick he wants. And only the gods/demogods follow that clear and easily understandable yet inherently vain (because they're nobles) theme.
I only care about running around with my big sword and killing things.
>giants curse Marika as a frick you for defeating them
>Marika splits her soul/spirit/whatever to divert the curse because it's apparently enough of a nuisance that she can't continue to operate as the god queen of the universe with it affecting her
>the part of her that still has the curse becomes sentient and develops its own personality (giants have red hair, Radagaon has red hair)
>Marika later has to rejoin this part of her (either because she was weakened by the process or just physically can't exist with an incomplete soul in perpetuity)
>fusion results in broken offspring as a result of the curse still lingering in her spirit or just as a result of Marika having done that to her spirit/body - plus Radagon doesn't fully assimilate back into her and still maintains his personality
this was always my assumption as to how the Radagon/Marika thing operated
>fusion results in broken offspring
All of Marika's offspring were broken, even those with Godwyn.
I think the idea that they infected her with the Fell God the way they were affected and it metastasized into a person (Radagon) who then converted to the Golden Order makes sense, but we don't know WHAT FRICKING ORDER the Golden Order's wars happened in so I can't prove it. If the Giants get btfo before the Liurnian War it would support my theory, if Liurnia happens first Radagon would have had to predate the Giant War and that adds very different context to what we know about him.
>I think the idea that they infected her with the Fell God the way they were affected and it metastasized into a person (Radagon) who then converted to the Golden Order makes sense
i swear to God i read something in game that specifically mentions the giant's curse gave Marika red hair but i can't find it anywhere now.
>If the Giants get btfo before the Liurnian War it would support my theory
my understanding was the giants war stuff was very early on in Marika's reign and all the Liurnian stuff happened later but i could be wrong, i'm apparently hallucinating lore that doesn't exist
The red braid whip or talisman mentions red hair coming from the Giants and that Radagon hates his.
We don't know when the GEQ happened and Melina could be a reincarnation as per the one Anon's theory.
>The red braid whip or talisman mentions red hair coming from the Giants and that Radagon hates his.
i remember that but i also remember reading something that explicitly states that Marika's hair turned red as a result of the giant's curse, so with that it was the R=M explanation and the statue just spells it out
>We don't know when the GEQ happened
It was before the golden order was established, because her defeat and the sealing of death marked the start of the golden order.
>and Melina could be a reincarnation as per the one Anon's theory.
Except she doesn't have a body. It's possible that she died and Marika tuned her spirit though. Hewg implies Marika could do this.
That wouldn't explain the "mother" thing, I think she's the GEQ reincarnated the way that Malenia is the reincarnated Rot God, it explains her red hair. A ghost baby is hardly the weirdest thing in this setting.
My real lore question is who the frick is Boc's mom and what happened to her? Since when are there female demihumans who aren't the Queens, and they don't exactly sit around sewing, nor are they likely to let a favored baby of theirs get bullied.
>Since when are there female demihumans who aren't the Queens,
They may just not be very sexually dimorphic.
>i swear to God i read something in game that specifically mentions the giant's curse gave Marika red hair but i can't find it anywhere now.
this is not stated in game and seems attributable to a reddit post made over a year ago. It is incorrectly assumed to be cannon by many people as a result.
the confusion stems from the wording of the giants red braid, specifically the line "perhaps that was a cure of their kind"
"Every giant is red of hair, and Radagon was said to have despised his own red locks. Perhaps that was a curse of their kind."
"Their kind" refers to both Radagon and The Giants, suggesting they share some quality. Not just to the giants.
maybe it's this too but i swear it was something ingame that specifically mentions Marika's hair being turned red by the curse, i remember it sticking out to me too because of how flippantly this information is dropped with how cagey the rest of the game is about the R=M stuff. but those few weeks were such a blur of 12+ marathons and co-op and finding new items/builds so who knows.
Like I said this is a common misconception, it seems to have come from reddit and was likely parroted in lore videos. When e see Radagon emerge in the boss fight, his hair changes from Gold to Red, but nothing ever describes Marikia's hair changing color.
The only times "curse" is mentioned in relations to the giants is the red braid and:
Burn O Flame
"The Fire Giants borrowed from the power of a fell god,
and still they were defeated.
Yet their failure released them from their solitary curse:
to serve as keepers of the Flame for eternity."
Fire Giant Remembrance
"Remembrance of Fire Giant, hewn into the Erdtree.
The power of its namesake can be unlocked by the Finger Reader.
Alternatively, it can be used to gain a great bounty of runes.
The Fire Giant is a survivor of the War against the Giants.
Upon realizing the flames of their forge would never die,
Queen Marika marked him with a curse.
"O trifling giant, mayest thou tend thy flame for eternity.""
So really, if anyone was cursed it was the giants. They weren't doing any cursing.
The "curse" described in the red braid is what Radagon sees his read hair, evidence of giant heritage, as. It is not a curse placed on him, but an element of himself that he unable to change.
Both forms of alteration in game are associated with him, the golden sewing kit, and the amber egg. Marika can hide things, land of shadow, Marika's mischief, but Radagon actually alters them. Makes one thing into a another.
The only curse associated with the giants is the fate they were given, to tend the flame.
maybe that's actually what it was, i extrapolated from that text that the curse turned her hair red and it's why Radagaon has red hair and resents it but for some reason i remember reading it the other way around. but it could also just be Marika's latent hatred of the giants being in Radagon as well.
>Melina and Miquella are THE SAME PERSON
But how are they relsted to Zanzibart?
zchanzchibar land
>Melina and Miquella are THE SAME PERSON,
Worst fricking schizo theory i ever heard
Watch the video and have your mind changed he is absolutely right.
>he didn't watch the video
you weren't around for the pre-release of Metal Gear Solid V were you
Don't!! You'll summon... him
>Low effort Chad
>knowing who miquella is
>caring about melina
LMAO
>cucked Ganker and the entire souls community by literally stealing their gay theories and became filthy rich and popular
How can a man be so based?
soulsissies, our response???
Not really convinced.
If anything, she might be a part of Marika or maybe Messmer.
You are not meant to think about ER lore so hard. It's just there for atmosphere.
You can't think and breathe at the same time
It's deep and perfectly connected, with only very small loose ends. You don't need to understand it, but you can if you want, and it's all relevant to the story.
The lore and story are meant to immerse you in the game. It's complementary to the game's main focus, not an end in and of itself.
>Miyazaki: Basically, we worked on the story afterwards. We started with the layout of the game itself with minimum story around it. It's "story for the game" before "game for the story" for me, so as long as it meets the game's requirements in order to create immersion for the player, it's all good. I wanted the player to experience the story, so we did not focus on making a linear storyline. I don't want to tell the story: I prefer the players to unravel it by using their imagination and our hints.
>Isomura: So the "lack" of story was planned afterall?
>Miyazaki: Yes, I don't want to make a game that chases the story, so we refrained from putting in too much information and the hints were made vague in order to make the player "become one with the story". We just provided information in certain areas to help stimulate the player's imagination. So… for those who want to know the story, there are lots of hints. The question is, where to find them? A lot of information is written here and there in item descriptions. If they want to know more, I would like the players to read them.
"We made the game and then crafted a story to fit the player's progression instead of the other way around" is not "the game doesn't have a comprehensible story", you braindead normalgay.
Huffing copium because you spent 10 hours watching gay lore videos about some unused dark souls boss repurpoted as elden lord LMAO
I don't watch lore videos because I'm white and capable of understanding the game just by playing it
>It's complementary to the game's main focus, not an end in and of itself.
Yes, which is why it's cool to have it fit, yet you can ignore it and still have fun.
>The hints were made vague
So yes, it was planned beforehand. As always Miyazaki wrote a deep and complicated metaphysical fantasy tale and then hid 3/4 of it from casuals.
>Don't try to figure out what's going on around you. Just stay willfully ignorant and go along to get along.
"People" like you are why the world is a living hell now.
Wrong and brainlet take.
I think if you care about lore but haven't done a SL1 run of ER, you're a poser
t. Done 14 runs, don't give a frick about shitty lore
I care about the lore and have done an SL1 run. What now?
I've never met anyone who used the term poser that had good opinions or was worth emulating. Here we are enjoying our game and its world while you prance around like a homosexual going "look at me I'm not leveling up!" Getting mad that not enough people are paying attention to you.
are you people literally moronic? the elden beast IS the elden ring. How is this such a difficult concept to grasp?
the game literally shows the elden ring inside radagon, we kill him, the rune pours out and becomes the elden beast
I swear from soft games are the only games where a cutscene spells out what's happening to you and people are still like
>haha I don't get it XD
>the elden beast IS the elden ring
Literally nobody said anything to contradict this
>Ranni makes a deal with gloam-eyed Queen
>Ranni removes one of her eyes and inserts gloam-eyed Queen's eye in its place
>Gloam-eyed Queen's soul takes over Ranni's body, pushing her soul out into a doll
>Gloam-eyed Queen's body is burned unrecognizable and claimed to be Ranni's body
>Ranni goes into hiding, while gloam-eyed Queen starts seaching for a champion as Melina
shitty ass headcanon
It's bullshit but I believe it.
How could they be the same person if they are two different people?
Buy a̶n̶ a̶d̶ a gun
Why does Nintendo go after fangames and shit but seemingly has zero issue with Youtubers using their IP?
>Studying """lore""" of actual unfinished games with haphazard cut content just thrown in together to make up for "Le 150+ bosses"
Found the butthurt jrpg fanbaby who can't follow a story without a teenage girl character repeating every beat of it at least ten times for emphasis.
All lore is made up
you are wrong.