Will it ever be topped? I'm dead serious, it's been 14 years and I've yet to see any game even come close to the magic. What the frick makes it so good? Its like it is the culmination of what made every source game before it good. It's still in the top played games on steam, and it still has a somewhat competitive pvp scene!
Nope. Theres a popular video about why Back4Blood was such shit, and it just shows how good L4d was. No studio has the care, unity, or awareness to make something that good these days unless its by some none globo-homosexual company like Atomic heart developers. We're in the age of pozzed Triple-A abortions and it will continue into the forseeable future.
>We're in the age of pozzed Triple-A abortions and it will continue into the forseeable future
Except the most popular games are all fricking ancient these days because new games are complete trash.
i like b4b
back4blood has great gunplay and presentation and shit mission structure and progression and live service support. it would be very easy to top l4d if you had competent game designers and actually supported your game instead of trying to milk players into buying expansions.
>competent game designers and actually supported your game
anon that's like asking for unicorns and even then you still have valve's attention to details which could never be topped by anyone but valve themselves
i personally did not give a shit about car windows not shattering, the game still looks great and everything's readable
and i don't think it's a big ask to just make an actual live service f2p game and monetise it with a battle pass, that has been proven to work when devs actually implement it
i only played up to hard, but i just remember either taking a ton of cards that healed trauma at the end of each mission or one that buffed medkits on my tard wrangler loadout. it's really stupid to have a mechanic you're forced to build around tho, i agree.
the trauma mechanic completely ruined that game for me, the most anti-fun mechanic i've ever seen in a game
I can say Black person with impunity and that’s all that matters
call of duty zombies is better but i guess you are blinded by nostalgia and homosexualry
i too also enjoy cod zombies
dumbest fricking take I ever read, probably underage
>probably underage
that is exactly why i said blinded by nostalgia. are you seriously gonna tell me left 4 dead is better than cod zombies?
Yes.
Yes.
>blinded by nostalgia
>names another game mode that suffers from nostalgia
Well yeah? none of the shitty call of duty characters have any of the charm or humor as the l4d crews
all of them are jokes you would find kids on the playground make
cod is like the series where kids go to die from ever growing up or ever becoming decent at games
cod zombies story is kino
you clearly haven't played cod zombies
Yes. Unequivocally.
>L4D: Fight your way through this huge map, completing multiple different objectives along the way
>COD: Fight waves in this small map. Build barriers. That's it.
>Build barriers.
you have never played Cod Zombies, you fricking moron.
>You've never played zombies
He's describing the gameplay of the first iteration of Zombies exactly as it was.
he's describing the gameplay of nacht on world at war
Don't be pedantic.
"pedantic" ok nerd
>It's not really zombies because the name was different
You're splitting hairs.
>That's not really the gameplay because it gets you killed
You're gonna fly out of the gate with this moronic logic then call ME a moron?
>this thing you never do is what you do!
you're a moron, stop talking. better yet, have a nice day.
>Is a mechanic of the game
>LOL NOT REALLY THOUGH BECAUSE IT'S BAD
>It's not really zombies because the name was different
what?
black ops 3 and every easter egg was kino. cod went to complete shit when warzone came out
>spend 5 hours autistically following YouTube tutorials on which specific pixel on the wall to knife in order to get a 4 second audio log
Your opinion on what a fun game is isn't relevant
>to get a 4 second audio log
said who?
as someone who loves L4D2 and Cod zombies, i'm gonna call you a moron.
you literally never rebuild barriers, it's straight up a futile waste of time AND gets you killed. you braindead moronic homosexual.
you look like a fricking moron, bro. stop talking.
It's very different except in the most shallow way.
They are very different games despite being about zombies so don't compare them.
>anything call of duty
>good
thank you anyone who played the golden age of WAW custom zombies knows thats the peak of any zombie game so many things treyarch stole from waw custom zombies
payday takes l4ds gameplay and adds grind and removes anything interesting
considering there's no actual decent co op shooters being made anymore
the odds are very low and even then it's still decent odds considering if you pay any attention to cs2
you realize source 2 could mean a actual new l4d game and theres stuff in source 2 that would fit perfectly for a new zombie game
like stacking corpses and rag dolls and better animations and bigger maps in general
still I'd perfer if there was a new game
too many trolls and shitters and autismos who only play this game one specific way
>Fun concept
>Isn't trying to be clever
>Excellent design from top to bottom
>Characters aren't obnoxious homosexuals
>Actually fricking works
I played it with my brother recently. Still fun. Will probably still be fun in ten years.
>Characters aren't obnoxious homosexuals
this homie only played l4d1
Frick back4blood, wish this just would've got a remake, or remaster and modern update at least.
Oh, and no, it's a standalone in concept and gameplay that can't be matched in either single player or multi-player (within the genre it created, ofc). Sort of like amnesia tdd. Gold doesn't produce twice from an already mined vein.
>Nick
>HEY NICK
>Mister Gambling Man
>Thats not cool Nick
>Hey Ellis why don't you tell us about the time you shut up?
get yo ass movin NI
Shithole?
Left 4 Dead is the most overrated Valve game and it's not even close. I understand people's love for Portal, Half Life, Team Fortress and whatever but what the heck do people see in Left4Dead that they spend thousands of hours in that game? It seems fun for like 10 hours tops.
>t. never played versus
>gets kicked
skill issue
>wad duh fuk
>I never played this game before and i went in the hardest options and got kicked instantly
>oh my god this game is so unfair
>INCLUDE MEEEEE
I smell a troony or a insufferable moron
>he doesn't understand
>but he can keep playing the shitty hell that is tf2 where you play against nothing but shitty players
I'd rather fight bots than human bots
yeah I bet you think a lot of things you stupid b***h keep that shit to yourself next time
>frogposter
>moronic
Like clockwork
modding
Zoomers and whatever the name of the homosexual generation that comes after them are almost entirely friendless losers.
So no, there will never be another good coop shooter because the audience for it gets smaller every day
>mogged by its predecessor in every way
this one is better because when you look down you can see your legs
you can mod that in l4d2
but also it's most likely going to be a thing in l4d3 or whatever it's going to be called as well since it's in cs2
this is just being contrarian for the sake of it
l4d2 removed nothing from l4d
Left4Dead? More like Nudge4Dead hordes in a corner lmao.
there is quite literally nothing L4D1 has over L4D2, you autistic poorgay boomer.
L4D maps are better, the core zombies were more than enough, and 2 added a bunch of crap that was mostly superfluous
And you’re probably too young to notice they backported all the good L4D maps for a reason
>replaces the soulful weapons from 1 with 2's
>ruins the atmosphere of 1's maps
>adds meleeshit everywhere
>replaces
The only weapon that got replaced was the 1911. Every other weapon from L4D is in L4D2.
>adds meleeshit everywhere
>More ways to deal with hordes is... LE BAD
I can’t think of any additional items in l4d2 that complemented any of the core styles. It was just more crap for the sake of change. L4d2 is better simply because it was supported longer
>More ways to deal with hordes is... LE BAD
>pointing in a horde's general direction and spamming click to win
>good
Meleeshit ruined any challenge to dealing with hordes
>2 includes the entirety 1's campaign
>And DLC campaigns
>And QOL/bugfixes
>"Mogged"
Based moron
don't forget
>mod support
>2 includes the entirety 1's campaign
wait did it? i can't remember that...
but you can't play the old characters right? so merging would still be fun for variation.
i can only say its more difficult on expert than l4d2 is. melee and deagle really trivialize the second game. the tank behavior in l4d1 also makes him way more threatening on higher difficulty
did you see the crowbcat video?
there are clues in there.
i don't understand why valve never merged the 1st and 2nd game into one and maybe added a few bonus levels.
it would sell a million copies the first day.
They already did that in the PC version bro
i dont think you can play all characters, or can you?
You can't because the maps are kind of loosely interconnected into a story. There's no sense 1's characters appearing in 2 maps because 2's event took place somewhere else. They probably kept it that way for continuity's sake or for balancing since 8 vs 8 and 10 vs 10 custom versus servers are very chaotic. The only time they met is on the DLC map The Passing.
i'd still want it as 4 players, just that you can pick from all 8 to get different voice lines (for variation).
>Will it ever be topped?
The only part of L4D that has yet to be topped is its Versus mode literally everything else has been topped. Survival mode was topped by Killing Floor, Campaign was topped by Vermintide 2, its set pieces were topped by games like Payday and DRG. the 4 player horde coop genre has plenty on offering now and shit loads of those games do a lot better than L4D2, Valve just established the foundation that everyone else built off.
none of these games ever are actually as good as l4d2
payday was fun until they shit the bed and made the game dogshit
DRG is literally for fricking casual homosexuals with barely any real challenge increases
killing floor 1 was dogshit and killing floor 2 is dead
>payday was fun until they shit the bed and made the game dogshit
I never cared about Payday to begin with but its certainly has more interesting gameplay to offer than running the same L4D campaigns again and again
>DRG is literally for fricking casual homosexuals with barely any real challenge increases
He says while shilling for L4D2 as fricking if L4D2 expert is a fricking cake walk with a semi competent team
>killing floor 1 was dogshit and killing floor 2 is dead
>prefers KF2 over KF1
What a way to instantly out yourself as a moron
none of the games you mention have anywhere as much content as l4d2 or even options to make the game even harder
you are the moron with a inferiority complex
>none of the games you mention have anywhere as much content as l4d2 or even options to make the game even harder
Okay you got a little to obvious on that last one heres one more (you)
>it's bait if you have a legitimate disagreement with a moron
the fact that you even have to name so many games and none of them even come close quality wise says a lot
>BUT THIS ONE MODERN
>THIS ONE HAS YOU RUN AROUND IN CIRCLES LOL
it's like mobas or even minecraft
all the other options are pretty much shit because all they can do is focus on gimmicks or side shit that you would have expected from a full game
Payday takes the l4d gameplay loop and adds in more variety. It's an improvement
>killing floor 1 was dogshit
Objectively wrong.
>
Buddy its one thing to be a fan of l4d2 but its another to be a moron spouting shit because it ain't the game you're too autisically attached to.
>moron spouting shit
what part of expecting a full game and getting side content that is the only content and morons pretending it better and saying the opposite of that is being a moron spouting shit
imagine making a game with barely any content at all and not even having extra modes or even pvp or worse pull out a half finished game and call it done and do nothing with it for years
>killing floor 1 was dogshit
Into the trash it goes
>killing floor 2 is dead
rightfully so. they fricked everything up down to the UI design
YOU VILL BUY ZE 70 DOLLA PHONE GAMES
>lil zoom zooms won’t stfu about l4d2 when all the changes made it to it were because it was inferior to l4d1 for years
Vermintide 2 is better in every way.
This. Vermintide isnt even a ranged focused game and STILL outperforms left 4 deads ranged gameplay. On that note, yes darktide is also better than l4d2.
unfortunately l4d has a dogshit 3rd worlder playerbase where half of them don't even own the game on steam and are using some free russian client bullshit, probably the worst "community" in any game ever
I have something in the works, it won't top L4D but will be a fun alternative with some variety
>l4d1 has 1 Black person
>l4d2 has TWO (2) Black folk in it
>Ganker still likes it
hypocrites.
You best not be talking shit about coach, rochelle is meh and louis is cool.
>hating on coach
>im fricking plying rochelle isn't likable
valve is the only dev that has ever done diversity right since they don't make their entire character just being a stereotype
>characters have different voice lines if they target someone else before they ask each others name later in the campaign
Neat detail
that's the type of shit is exactly why no one will ever genuinely come close this game
>target person or object
>character starts saying shit about the character afront of them or object
it's sad how games don't really try to be more immersive and interactive
200hrs alone spamming voice lines as Nick to make him say something stupid
>you guys are doing my ass, b***h!
>I HATE YOU ELLIS
>Well I still like you Nick.
Hey Ellis, kiss my ass, dumb shit I'm sorry okay
>WON'T YOU GUYS SHUT UP?!
Vermintide 2 is more entertaining with its chaos wastes mode.
is it fixed and playable now? heard it was very buggy and disappointing on release
nvmnd, i was thinking about darktide
I still prefer the regular campaign over CW but yeah I'm also of this opinion.
L4D (and 2) are games with an insane legacy but VT2 is simply better to play right now
Acceptable counterpoints:
>I dont like the setting
>The grinding is frustrating before you're set
İ think I'm too attached to the source engine. Vermintide just doesn't feel as clean as l4d2
Sounds like stockholme syndrome more so.
Mainly because of how cheap the game is and how its pretty much always on sale, the gameplay is simple enough but thats what makes it work, it doesnt ever try to be anything more than what it already is, its dumb fun.
And dumb fun was the design philosophy of when making this game, and it worked, no e-sport homosexualry, no complex tech or "builds" like in b4b, no ranking systems, just simple arcade-like fun entirely supported by countless community maps (you can literally play the first 3 resident evil game maps on l4d2) and community servers (they're mostly russian but you get the point), its a game that always feels exciting to play even when you havent picked it up in awhile because its both carried by its simplicity (you never really forget how to play it) and community (there's always something new to check out on the workshop), so basically, my point is, e-sport gays fricking ruined multiplayer games, and we will never have multiplayer FPS that arent dopamine ADHD gambling addict hooklines to sexually frustrated young men to spend hundreds of hours of their lives on a game simply to get a png image that says [DIAMOND] next to their IGN.
Fluid fricking simple gameplay that always keeps you on your toes with variance made by a system that scores your overall experience throughout the campaign and reacts accordingly. Also shooting your way through a horde will be quite fun as damage on the regular zombies is going to show them get dismembered, maimed or even outright turned into a fine paste by explosives. Also an active modding community to this day if you get bored of the selection or just want to goof around or feel tacticool or whathever.
YOU.
ARE SHOOTING.
ME.
>cmon Coach *pants*
>think about *uff* the helicopter *puff*
>maybe it's made of chocolate
Truly was a different time
Left 4 Dead 2 Intro Has a straight white male Making Fun Of A Plus-Sized Person Of Color, And That's NOT Okay [Jonah Goldbergerstein, 30 minutes read]
How do I play nowadays and not get kicked for upsetting some oldgay for not knowing the map like the end of my dick or breaking some unwritten rule of etiquette?
L4D1 versus mode was some of the most fun I've ever had in multiplayer
stick to normal or advanced lobbies and stick with the team and don't rush through like a moron on expert. it's genuinely not that hard
>versus
you don't. you will get kicked for missing one attack, or because they need a spot for their friends, or your teammates will just leave.
pub versus is a waste of time unless you really dont care and just want to practice something
you wont get kicked on capaign on any difficulty unless you deliberately sabotage the team (starting events when no one is ready etc)
>l4d1
it's basically dead. barely reaches 1k players on a good day. has a few cliques of 40-50 yr old boomers playing it who treat the game like it's Second Life with custom maps and mods up the ass and constant chatter. rest are russians and turd worlders.
lots of times you can't even find any lobbies. you need l4d2 if you want to be able to play whenever you want.
oh yeah and if youre an oldgay who hasnt touched the games in over 10 years theres some good news
>all l4d1 campaigns are playable in 2 with the original characters
>lots of cut voices restored, for both casts
>workshop support means you can replace any character or gun with whatever you want, including gun sounds
>fan made campaigns are very high quality and many of them are better than the official ones (a personal fav of mine is Ravenholm, check it out)
my honest advice is to join the 20+ player servers. You won't be clutching games like in 4v4 but the dregs of Brazil won't be getting eternal butthurt you couldn't land a 25 damage hunter pounce.
no
Nope, and it sucks
Back then games were fun and you played them to have fun. Now they want you locked in to grinding a bunch of shit while filling out a battlepass. Terrible.
Short answer, no.
The game appears simple and easy to make, but the attention to details is just too much pull off from some competent small indie team.
We've seen with B4B that even a big, pro team, backed by Warner bros, can't pull it off.
Vgaya get the rope already
I can't wait until darktide is good in another 2 years. Hate that they went with custom characters though, the banter is weak and I prefer one class per team.
VT2 had blatantly better gameplay.