Will Microsoft finally tear off Todd's iron grip over the franchise?
Surely one dev can not hold off the greed of all the thousands of investors of MS...
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Would be interesting if they actually side step developers and use IPs as they want, when currently they just let the studios/publishers they bought out do what they want.
Also "fast track" would still take 4-5 years if starting from scratch.
At this point I'd trust MS to fund a studio who gives a frick more than I'd trust BGS to develop another Fallout game.
What a fricking timeline.
>At this point I'd trust MS to fund a studio
Which studio?
No idea. They own a ton, that's their job.
Couldn't be much worse than 76.
>No idea
That only means you don't even care or know enough about RPGs or open world games to propose a studio capable of making a game like this. Your opinion is thus both irrelevant and invalid.
Would be pretty interesting to see the community reaction to a say UE5 FO5 where the modding community doesn't take off as much.
And that wouldn't really be a good thing.
But frankly if it's means a more complete game that's more true to the series and less cartoony, I wouldn't mind.
"Sooner" is a cause for concern, it should take as long as it takes. But even with infinite time Bethesda as it currently exists couldn't produce a good Fallout game.
I would say Obsidian, but that's very unlikely.
Given the likely options in actual reality, I don't know.
>I would say Obsidian
That would be franchise suicide after The Outer Worlds.
The franchise is already a zombie, why not kill it? It's not like the Starfield devs are any better.
>The franchise is already a zombie
Peak troonycope.
I really hate how much corporate media has an influence on people.
It's like I'm surrounded by a bunch of fricking morons that do whatever TV man says.
I'm convinced that if the news said shitting outside helps prevent cancer the next day you would see a bunch of people shitting on the streets like it was india.
Fallout 4 and 76 just look and play better than the other games. You aren't gonna get a normie to learn how to play an ancient turn-based game.
You're not nearly as special and unique as you think you are
That's a good point, the Obsidian of today isn't the Obsidian of yesterday, so just because it has the same brand name - that's no assurance of equivalent quality. Same as Bethesda.
Hence, I don't know. People get paid big bucks to make these decisions.
My ultimate point was really that BGS just isn't the one.
Let's try something new.
who really wants another incompetent mess of a game
did you ever think you're unpleasable because you don't actually know what you want?
nta but shut the frick up bethesdrone
I just don't want Bethesda making it because they're incompetent
look at the ""hd update"" for fallout 4
>because you don't actually know what you want?
that's the devs job anon, to make a game to please an audience
not the audience to please the dev
I was reading a thread the other day that basically said that gamers complain too much and don't know what they actually want.
No shit we complain a lot, most devs just pump out fricking garbage these days.
I know exactly what I want. A good Fallout game. BGS isn't likely to deliver that. Nor is nu-Obsidian, for that matter.
>Starflop was THAT bad
this is more to do to ride the success of the show, not starfield. tes6 was their next game anyway
Why do I have a feeling that in 5 years,Ganker will be praising Starfield nonstop?
maybe children that become old enough to post here will.
you can tell this board's demographics are constantly getting younger because most posters have no taste or standards when it comes to vidya.
>you can tell this board's demographics are constantly getting younger because most posters have no taste or standards when it comes to vidya.
Thanks for repeating what was already said when people were praising Bioshock instead of System Shock and Halo instead of Quake
its actually got less to do with age and more to do with shitskin infestation. 10 years ago Ganker was mostly white, now its more than 50% brown subhuman.
there's nothing you can do about that white people don't have kids anymore. mexicans unironically think they are white now like italians.
>shitskin infestation
Those are called Americans bruh.
in 5 years nobody will remember starfield exists
Doubt. In 5 years load screens and copy pasted structures will be even more antiquated, and even more noticeable.
>Why do I have a feeling that in 5 years,Ganker will be praising Starfield nonstop?
Fallout 76, Cyberpunk and No Man's Sky all got a lot of work put into them to make them at least playable, and Ganker doesn't fellate those games.
Cyberpunk was a little jerked off because of the anime.
>Slop >:|
>Slop Anime :O
Unlike NML, all the promised content WAS part of the initial road map but more and more content was slashed as the dev team looked more and more troonified. Shazam posting was linked to this game for a reason.
No Man's Land was always okay and I commend the dev team by working on it for a few years after release despite the flak. I really blame all the fricking moronic people who misunderstood what "procedurally generated content" meant. If a small dev team releases a 6GB game with a randomized seed for each run, what the frick do you think the game was going to be like? At least NML got some recognition I remember like 3 other games doing about the same with voxel graphics and some with online multiplayer that never amassed more than 10k active players.
F76 is still fricking terrible.
I played Fallout 76 once during a free weekend and the open world and visuals were pretty solid. The survival elements sucked tho.
I still don't get the cyberpunk "engoodening" narrative, it's fricking bizarre. The anime was okay, the game was okay and still is just okay. The patches and DLC didn't really change all that much except for making it less looter shootery which is nice but it's not that much
I have more respect for NMS because the devs just shut the FRICK up and fixed it. I still don't like it because it's just minecraft in space but it's not a complete disaster of a game like it was on launch
Even that Fallout 3 pajeet didn't bother shilling that game, probably not.
I don't think so, it is essentially a crossbreed between FO76 and Fo4 without the multiplayer nor the Fallout decorations so it is strictly a Bethesda game and not even Bethesda fans like that.
can you imagine a Bethesda game rushed out due to release deadlines? they're already such a shit show at launch I think a rushed game would literally not even start up.
Starfield wasn't as rushed as it could have been. Remember, when Microsoft bought Bethesda, Beth was telling them they were ready to launch Starfield, Microsoft took one look at it, and delayed it two years.
incredible how delusional and complacent the "mods will fix it" attitude has caused bethesda to become
>It'll be a modder's dream
More like a modder's nightmare. A modder needs a foundation to build on. It is the developer's job to provide that foundation.
>Remember, when Microsoft bought Bethesda, Beth was telling them they were ready to launch Starfield
They should have done that so they could start full development on ES6 earlier. Microsoft is just insanely incompetent.
Development on TES6 should have started immediately after their announcement trailer in 2018 or whatever it is.
I can't fathom how absolutely fricking incompetent you have to be to release a teaser on a game fans have been hounding you for and then have absolutely nothing to show for it after 6 years.
that trailer shouldn't have happened at all in the first place, but they desperately wanted the publicity
showing a teaser before you've even done a basic outline and while you have a different project taking priority is just embarrassing
>they desperately wanted the publicity
basically. tes fans were already doomposting that tes was dead and the teaser reinvigorated mentions of tes6 for years.
for all we know, tes actually is dead and bethesda just doesnt want the fanbase to turn on them. i wouldnt be surprised if it was selved indefinitely for the same reasons bully 2 was. "we dont know how to make it"
The teaser was obvious compensation and an attempt to draw attention away from F76, which at the time was still an unfolding disaster.
They only teased The Elder Scrolls VI in 2018 to reassure core fans who weren't interested in Fallout 76
tes6 is just gonna be medieval fantasy shartfield unless bethesda finally has an internal reality check
it'll sell better obviously just bc of the name but it's not gonna be another skyrim. You can't just dump half a game on steam and hope it takes off because MUH MODS
>internal reality check
I truly believe they will take Skyrim's already simplified mechanics and simplify it even further. I have a heavy suspicion that it will be condensed down to three skill trees and skills will just become perks to put points in.
I'll probably pirate it just for closure because I'm a massive TES fan but after this I'm pretty much done even talking about this dogshit company.
They need to create a work of art for me to care again.
They just need to copy Elden Ring's leveling system.
The main problem with Starfield is that it's a bunch of randomly generated worlds separated by loading screens. They literally couldn't frick up that badly again if they tried.
>sooner rather than later
oh boy some ultra rushed shit from a studio that has already begun to falter?
Because we all know how well rushed games turn out
New Vegas was rushed
Skyrim was rushed to meet the meme 11-11-11 launch date
wasn’t starfield also rushed out?
is 8 years rushing
its so funny how incompetent and unprepared they are or did they expect the show to bomb or something, why didn't they formulate these plans back when the show was starting production they own the ip, the studios, they have all the money kek
>New studio
>New engine
>New place
>No modding
>Polished
How would the majority react?
>redfallout 5
>forzout goyrizon 5
>fallo infinite caps glitch 5
no fricking thanks
>New studio
>New engine
Incredibly unlikely to capture the fun of a bethesda game.
>no modding
not buying don't give a shit frick off.
>How would the majority react?
record breaking sales, bought 10 out of 10s everywhere, reduced to a 5 out of 10 3 months later, forgotten before the year ends.
So they're gonna do another rush job?
>besthesda game
>rushed
>by Microsoft
The antichrist is nigh
Bethesda
>working on Elder Scrolls 6 which will take 5+ years
Obsidian
>working on Avowed and starting with The Outer Worlds 2
inXile
>working on Clockwork Revolution, no release date provided
Cancel Outer Worlds 2 and have Inexile cancel clockwork. Just put them together to make Fallout 5 set in California. It would make more money than either of those games.
They literally can't set a game in California without figuring out what Amazon has decided is canon first it's a mess Microsoft is so cucked
It's already been revealed that the show people have intimate knowledge of fallout 5. The story is already mostly written. They are writing the show around it. [/spoiler] 5 will be in San Francisco[/spoiler]
I still find it difficult to believe people give actual tangible shits about the greater fallout lore. I guess I can sort of understand the Fallout 1 & 2 oldheads but they've been pushed out of the franchise for over a decade at this point.
>get two completely different studios work on a single game
That would be insanely stupid. Clockwork is also the game that's farthest in development.
>so many news articles from the anonymous email I sent to kotaku
>dude let's make a fallout tv show
>okay haha
>normies eat it up, fallout playerbase explodes
>hell yeah, let's release the new game now
>what? we don't have no new game
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN, MAKE ONE THEN
>SIR THAT TAKES YEARS
>SHUT UP HIRE THE INDIANS OR SOMETHING
>fallout 5 project is started up
>with a lot of crunch and cut corners it's ready after almost two years
>it's basically starfield all over again
>marketing tries to make it look good
>only the most starved fallout fans buy it
>turns out to be shit
>>with a lot of crunch and cut corners it's ready after almost two years
That's every bethesda game even when they have 10 years dev time
>take 10 years to work on game, more than double the time it took them 10 years ago with more than double the amount of staff
>it still turns out like complete shit
how does bethesda do it?
I'm honestly blown away that MS didn't have a Fallout 3 remake made while the ink on the contract was still wet.
Oh boy a bigger rushed Fallout than 4 can't wait
I'm playing Fallout 4 and damn, I really miss skills. I don't really like crafting. I don't really understand the compass.
fallout 4 is a looter shooter
play 3 or new vegas if you want an rpg
Something else, I really, really hate the unnecesary wait every time you use a computer or a door to another zone. It's a useless waste of time.
I already did, and I wanted to give this title a shot. I'm still playing it, but I found it to be confusing at first because of all of that. I'll get used to it, probably. Finding concrete for the water pump is a b***h, tho.
Play the original games
And just like that, Microsoft has killed another studio....
Best case scenario for Microsoft is they shit out some generic Fallout-branded smartphone game full of microtransactions
easy money for microsoft would be having a competent studio remake f3 and nv
>FRICK. The show was a hit! SHIT SHIT SHIT! WHAT FALLOUT STUFF DO WE HAVE TO RELEASE?
>UH...UH... FRICK, SHIT! I don't know!
>FUUUUUCK! WE ONLY HAVE A FEW WEEKS BEFORE IT'S OLD NEWS! SHIT SHIT SHIT! WAIT... WHAT ABOUT THAT FALLOUT 4 PATCH WE ANNOUNCED A COUPLE YEARS AGO?
>Uh... well we kind of stopped working on it to finish Starfi-
>I DON'T CARE! WRAP IT UP AND ANNOUNCE IT!
>*Microsoft Exec walks in*
>TODD YOU FRICKING HACK ARE YOU TELLING ME WE HAVE A HIT SHOW ON TELEVISION AND ALL YOU HAVE IS SEVENTY-SHIT AND A NINE YEAR OLD GAME??? GET THE INDIANS ON THIS, STAT!
They just straight up want to rush out some shit now that the show put the existence of the franchise on normalgay radars. You should see Instagram where everyone is arguing over whether 4 or New Vegas is better
>thanks to micros*ft and fallout newbies TES 6 will release even later
at this point I just fricking give up.
what's a good fantasy game that has an in depth character creator and tons of lore that isn't TES?
Elder Scrolls doesn't have a deep character creator lol the deepest was Oblivion it's all pretty shit
By in depth I mean several races to choose from and the ability to customize your character and such.
I'm not even going to justify this with a response because you're clearly a moronic tourist who came here from le amazon show.
homosexual
elder scrolls is dumb knights and wizards shit that we have a million games for already. fallout is unique and deserves more content.
>fallout is unique
Not anymore. It got the Star Wars treatment.
Elden Ring, Tears of the Kingdom.
Just hire the dudes who wrote New Vegas and a /k/ autist guy and give them 5 years
John Gonzalez is too busy with Guerilla Games (Sony) wondering how to make Horizon games completely unmemorable.
>John Gonzalez is too busy with Guerilla Games
He got fired midway through development of Horizon 2 and isn't even credited as a top writer in the final game.
This is how moronic boomer suits think. Fallout is super popular right now because of the show, not the games, so the boomers are going to try to ram another shitty game through the pipeline, but by the time the game releases, the show will already be cancelled on its 3rd season due to no one watching. How these companies can be so disorganized with their IPs is beyond me. Fallout 5 should have came out with the show, not fricking Starfield.
>so todd how long until fallout 5?
>well uhh uhh we have a document and uhh uhh after ESVI uhhh uhhh
>you have 18 months starting now
DO IT
The best they could do is to tell the old fans to frick off and do a proper PvE survival looter shooter
I'd rather wait 10 more years to get a new fallout game with soul and passion put behind like with starfield than the worst farmed out soulless slop to a cheap developer.
bethesda could work on a game for 20 years and it would still turn out like shit.
thinking that increased dev time = higher quality is fricking moronic.
the increase in dev times can be directly attributed to developer laziness as evidenced by old games being constantly repackaged for full price.
20 years ago high quality games would come out in 3 - 5 year intervals. dev time has increased massively yet games are getting worse. funny how that works.
with the current dev cycles we'll see fallout 5 in 20 years.
yeah hopefully they realize its not just a fallout problem, dev time on all these games is awful
devs are just fricking spoiled now with unlimited pto and mental health days and shit like that. millennial/zoomer devs would quit if they were asked to crunch like back in the old days. It's also job security for them and management to have these long ass cycles. That's why everything takes forever. You're not going to get a team of nerds chugging jolt cola and sleeping in the office anymore modern devs would consider that barbaric.
I really wonder how such garbage franchise survived so long
Le wacky reddit post-apocaliptic retro-futuristic world is not that interesting, kinda cringe even
This 7 year dev cycle horseshit is so gay and niggoted. I wish they would just make another Fallout spinoff with the graphics level of 3/NV. What good is all this graphics homosexualry if it means we get one game every 20 fricking years?
>piss filter enjoyer
I prefer they do it in Unreal and ditch that garbage engine
>reddit spacing unrealslop stutterfest enjoyer
go back
>oh yes i love trains to be npc hats
Bethesda may be too moronic to use Unreal properly though I give you that
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homosexual
Shareholders don't care about that, tho. They only want player engagement and having the best of the best.
What is even so difficult that it takes them so much longer because it's higher quality? I bet half of it is sensitivity reading or some other bullshit.
see
the pendelum has swung completely to the other side. game devs used to work slave tier hours and now they are a bunch of spoiled homosexuals.
Shut up! NV was halfway ruined by the FO3 assets and models! It's not very cool after my fourth playthrough it actually grinds my gears.
makes even less sense with bethesda slop because they still look like utter garbage
It's not like Bethesda's games have good graphics anyway too.
How do you apply stims to specific limbs in Fallout 4? In 3 and New Vegas was easy.
>Obsidian Entertainment has also expressed interest in returning to the IP. If everything lines up, Xbox could have a major opportunity on its hands.
Obsidian is making Avowed and The Outer Worlds 2. They cannot make a Fallout game unless it's something moronic like getting the Grounded team to do it.
how hard is bethesda gonna seethe about this? It's fricking common sense for microsoft to do this when TES6 isn't gonna be even remotely ready until like 2030
they were petty enough to have 76 made instead of a NV sequel so I can imagine there will be some pissing and whining over this.
they get what they fricking deserve for releasing sweet frick all for a decade.
The relationship was broken since the Skyrim days. They probably didn't wanted another broken launch.
What causes this?
I thought that Fallout 3 was unplayable on Steam.
they silently patched it a couple years ago
Most people that play and mod FO3 have moved onto TTW ages ago.
which dev will make this then? It certainly isn't gonna be bethesda and obsidian is busy with their own garbage
343 after they get Halo taken away from them.
as much of a joke as 343 is, I wouldn't mind that because at least it would mean it probably wouldn't be creation engine slop
I'll take even Bethesda over that
Bigger question is that whether or not it will be on the same engine.
Blizzard will get right on it. Just provide them unlimited access to the breastmilk bank
We're never gonna get a new TES, homies.
they should have had remakes of 3 and nv ready with the tv show
microsoft can't stop wasting billions, goddamn
It continues to be stunning to me that Bethesda made one of the most successful games of all time with Skyrim and then decided to basically abandon the franchise. At least Rockstar was still making money hand over foot with GTA online while not making GTA6. Even if Todd and Friends had come to genuinely hate The Elder Scrolls, you'd think they'd make another one just for the money
>just for the money
teso paypigs are enough to subsist on.
I don't know a single person that plays TESO.
That amount of fricks not given for that game were so high that they had to remove the sub fee to attract players.
That in itself should tell you how unsuccessful TESO is compared to the mainline games.
There are still morons out there paying for WoW sub fees so it's not like the market isn't there for fantasy MMOs. Bethesda just does not understand their core audience at all.
>I don't know a single person that plays TESO.
it averages around 15k players and a vast majority of them are premium players because the one-time-payment experience is akin to being waterboarded during a root canal.
Starfield was supposed to be the next Skyrim but they clearly realized it was a mistake early on. But then Microsoft told them to keep going.
todd fell for the space game meme years after it stopped being an effective genre to grift people with. Scam shitizen is the only one still really going
I think he also really REALLY wanted to springboard a new IP but nobody in the company right now has the talent to do that
I hope that everything subsequent to Skyrim has taught them that actually they are "just the TES studio." Sometimes it's better to just stick to what you know.
As opposed to failing so hard at every other thing that you're so black and blue you can't deny it anymore, and your fans can't either.
laziness over greed
why make a new game when you can just sell the game again?
I hate GTA online so much
boggles my mind that people are hyped for 6 when it's just gonna be GTA-O: 2
>250 gig
>$90 base game
>please understand
>map is 3 times as big and empty as gtav
>single player is 7 hours long
>90% of content is in online
>need to pay $20 a month to play online
>map is 3 times as big and empty as gtav
this is the thing that irks me most when I see gta6 threads. Who the flying FRICK gives a shit about le heckin huge open world maps in 2024. It got old years ago
I'll probably get shit for saying this but huge open worlds are fun when they are done right. Elden Ring is a perfect example because you can easily get sidetracked into some side dungeon and find some cool sword. As long as you pack enough content into the world it's fine.
But yeah most devs just make big empty walking simulators.
ER’s map isn’t that big
Especially compared to the utter empty slop that GTA6 supposedly has
this image hurts to look at.
we didn't know how good we had it.
I don't even get the appeal of GTA online in the first place. I probably spent a few hundred hours on SP GTA and only a handful online. Every time it was just a shit experience. It was just a bunch of fricking morons running around acting like morons. One time I was cruising with my car with pacifist mode on and some c**t C4'd my car and killed me anyway. The whole experience was just awful.
They "abandoned" the franchise because they were first busy with Fallout 4, then cucked onto 76 (at least partially, BGS main studio did do some work on it) by Zenimax, then finally wanted to make Starfield which Todd had been fantasising about for a long time. It turned out to be a shit game but that's neither here nor there. They didn't abandon it so much as get sidetracked.
>get sidetracked
either way bethesda is managed by top tier morons. if you are juggling that many successful IPs at once you have to split up your work load into different teams to develop games simultaneously. it's not like they don't have the staff either. 100 people worked on Oblivion and now bethesda has 500 people. it all just boils down to shit management and resource allocation.
100 devs now doesn't go as far as it did back then due to all the asset quality/production value creep and overall wanking over graphics. So 500 devs may not necessarily be enough to work on 3 games at once, not to mention some of them are probably F76 drones.
>Fallout 5 somehow ends up buggier and shitter than starfield because they are trying to shove it out as soon as possible
Better get the whip cracking on those pajeets this code isn't gonna write itself
>RAJESH, GET THE FRICK OVER HERE
We're getting to the point where everything is getting offloaded onto AI. Pajeets just became completely irrelevant to development
>this code isn't gonna write itself
Why not, teach Chat GPT4 so code scripts for gamebryo based on all the previous code done from Morrowind onward.
bethesda still hasn't fixed starfield yet
I don't really care, they'll never make a game that will top New Vegas
bethesda is a group of glorified modders that got too big for their own good
Are you seriously arguing about the douche and the turd sandwich again?
Todd hasn't played a game in probably 20 years. It's time for him to be replaced.