>fsn got both a butchered and a full anime adaptation of every route besides Fate before an official release >literal never evers got official releases before fsn >tsukihime got remade and translated again before fsn got an official release
I have literally stopped caring about fate and will probably go play it again in 10 years before it gets an official release. What the frick is wrong with Nasu?
I don't think there's much reason to. Unlike Tsukihime which was a doujin soft title with limited distribution, Fate/stay night is a commercial retail product. On top of that, Fate/stay night is actually pretty important to a bunch of other shit, including Fate/Zero, Fate/EXTRA and Fate/Grand Order. To change and retcon it at this point would mean retconning all of that as well. The most I could see them doing is redraw all the art, but even that's a bit of push.
The most I could see happening is another adaptation of the Fate route with rewritten parts.
>On top of that, Fate/stay night is actually pretty important to a bunch of other shit, including Fate/Zero, Fate/EXTRA and Fate/Grand Order.
no it's not. Not a single one of those are canon to the others. Not even F/SN, F/Z, and F/HA.
Originally, a lot of stuff was supposed to be in the same timeline, but they gave up. Even F/SN and F/Z were made not canon to each other in TYPE-MOON Ace Vol. 10.
Not that anon, but even if they are not canon they are crazy popular, I doubt a remake that change stuff (and believe me, it will change stuff) would fly with those fans.
At least for this period, maybe in 10-15 years this will be different.
They need to remake it to fix the series powercreep. I want to see the staynight servants blowing cities apart.
They also need to set it in modern times and just use the phones for only jokes.
At least with Tsukire I don't have any issue with them changing stuff. The original is still there and I still love it, but some of the changes are quite good, like Vlov instead of Nero (freeing him up to be used better later), and Ciel having an actual route even if if it still doesn't seem to star her much and is too much Roa mind control wank.
Well, the original is still there for pirates, but Type-Moon has not made any effort in re-releasing the original since 2003 (and second hand retail costs quite a bit), not even digital only. Which sure it doesn't affect us because we read it via piracy, but you know it is sort a coward move by them.
Which is my problem with the remake, changes here and there are a matter of you know, opinion and so on, but I feel that with the Tsukihime Remake, T-M just wants to bury the original, which makes me sad because I love the original.
On the topic of the changes, I personally don't like Vlov (because he is boring), I do like the Ciel route, for example I found the flashback scene, but then I found the true end moronic and so over the top I felt I was reading Dies Irae. And I could go on an on about the stuff I did not like, and the stuff I like. But that is just my personal opinion and everyone has their own reason why they might like them or not.
But it all comes down to your first point, about the original being there, I feel that T-M doesn't want the original to be there, that is why, I feel that the point for "the original is still there" sort of doesn't apply here, when the Remake aims to erase the original I just can't helpt but feel conflicted, because I love so much the original.
It was always rare, overpriced, and impossible to get. This didn't really change anything, and remake probably isn't getting its own Kagetsu Tohya.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, Type-Moon canre-relase it. Fate had 6 re-releases.
Other companies re-release their stuff, even if it is only digital.
Saying that it was always rare, overpriced and impossible to get, doesn't justify T-M trying to erase the original.
Well think of it from Nasu's perspective. The original Tsukihime was made on a shoestring budget by two dudes in an apartment and Kohaku's route was written up in like two weeks. You may not remember this but Nasu regularly shat on Tsukihime fairly consistently, bringing up errors and issues and weird shit. It'd be pretty fricking embarrassing to actually sell the original indie VN alongside Fate/stay night Realta Nua and Fate/EXTRA. You might say it has soul, but soul is generally only something that can be seen by fans. The original creators tend to have a hard time seeing that "soul" in their own works. Imperfections are imperfections and to Nasu, Tsukihime is probably literally nothing BUT imperfections. The unfortunate thing about Tsukihime is that at the end of the day, it was a self-published doujin-soft game sold on a floppy disk. Nasu will probably never feel bad about hanging it out to dry and I doubt Takeuchi objects to it being buried either. There's a reason he completely stopped coloring his own art after Tsukihime. Koyama has been coloring everything since Kagetsu Tohya.
I do not see is as embarrassing, neither would most OG T-M fans, Tsukihime is an important VN, with its defects and with its peculiarities. It is true that Nasu sees Tsukihime as something imperfect, and? That does not change the fact that Tsukihime has integrity as an standalone piece, and Nasu and T-M have been making efforts to erase the original release. Say it because of shame, say it because now he is better. I still feel that it is dirty. I love the original, and maybe you do as well. You might prefer the remake, or maybe you do not. But I think that the original has the right to exist and be remembered as the impactful VN it was.
Plus, if you actually think about it, I doubt THAT many people actually played the original Tsukihime anyway. The original game had an extremely limited run and the Tsuki-Bako package wasn't much better in that regard. Even if you factor in piracy, how many people do you think were actually exposed to the original Tsukihime? I'm sure that from our perspective Tsukihime might seem to be a bigger deal than it actually was, but you have to remember that Ganker, Ganker and /jp/ aren't really accurate embodiments of the majority. Everyone here are a bunch of obsessive nerds who pirate shit as a matter of course, but that's not how the vast majority of the human race tends to do things.
Yup, this is why most people that buy the remake do not care about the original. And will gulp up anything without a critical mind. (Not saying that every Remake fan is a sheep, just that most people do not care.)
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's embarrassing to Nasu, that's the whole point. It doesn't matter what YOU think. Writers and creator types typically prioritize their own feelings over that of their fans. Narcissism is rampant in the profession.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Well yeah, what I think does not matter, and? That does not change the fact that it is something dirty and amoral to do. Not caring about the integrity of their own work.
I do agree about the narcissist part, Nasu is a Nasucissit (he, he).
11 months ago
Anonymous
"Dirty and amoral" is subjective here. In the grand scheme of things, this isn't really that big of a deal. You're just upset because someone else doesn't share your personal made up standards and looking down at them as if you're some sort of arbiter of integrity. So you're no less of a narcissist here.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It is dirty and amoral. If you want to like the Tsukihime Remake, go and enjoy it there is nothing wrong with it. But do not pretend that what Nasu and T-M is doing is not dirty and amoral. Do not shift the blame to fans of the original via projection, it is sad.
And yes, I am upset, upset because I love VNs as a medium and I feel that the integrity of the medium is being attacked. And yes, I do have personal standards, it is called having values and principles. And if you want to say that I am trying to be an arbiter of integrity, say what you want, I do not care. Call me a narcissist I do not care. I love this medium, and I will complain about what I want to complain.
And if you do not find this to be a big deal, then spend you time doing other things, read other VNs or play other games.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm sorry, but I can't relate to your autism here. You're attributing "morality" to remaking an indie Comiket VN. Do what you want, but your entire viewpoint is bizarre to me.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Then no problem, everyone has their own viewpoint and opinion.
Well think of it from Nasu's perspective. The original Tsukihime was made on a shoestring budget by two dudes in an apartment and Kohaku's route was written up in like two weeks. You may not remember this but Nasu regularly shat on Tsukihime fairly consistently, bringing up errors and issues and weird shit. It'd be pretty fricking embarrassing to actually sell the original indie VN alongside Fate/stay night Realta Nua and Fate/EXTRA. You might say it has soul, but soul is generally only something that can be seen by fans. The original creators tend to have a hard time seeing that "soul" in their own works. Imperfections are imperfections and to Nasu, Tsukihime is probably literally nothing BUT imperfections. The unfortunate thing about Tsukihime is that at the end of the day, it was a self-published doujin-soft game sold on a floppy disk. Nasu will probably never feel bad about hanging it out to dry and I doubt Takeuchi objects to it being buried either. There's a reason he completely stopped coloring his own art after Tsukihime. Koyama has been coloring everything since Kagetsu Tohya.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>t'd be pretty fricking embarrassing to actually sell the original indie VN alongside Fate/stay night Realta Nua and Fate/EXTRA
I love the original but I wonder if this arm haunts Takeuchi in his sleep
11 months ago
Anonymous
Plus, if you actually think about it, I doubt THAT many people actually played the original Tsukihime anyway. The original game had an extremely limited run and the Tsuki-Bako package wasn't much better in that regard. Even if you factor in piracy, how many people do you think were actually exposed to the original Tsukihime? I'm sure that from our perspective Tsukihime might seem to be a bigger deal than it actually was, but you have to remember that Ganker, Ganker and /jp/ aren't really accurate embodiments of the majority. Everyone here are a bunch of obsessive nerds who pirate shit as a matter of course, but that's not how the vast majority of the human race tends to do things.
Fate/Zero had to be made into a "slightly altered parallel world" because of the inconsistencies. Basically, Nasu's excuse for why a bunch of details in Fate/Zero don't add up what what Fate/stay night said about them was "lol it's a parallel world". The long and short of the Fourth Grail War more or less happened as depicted, just pretend that the parts that don't match up actually do in Fate/stay night's "true" history. Some of the issues in regards to continuity between the two stories are pretty damn egregious and hard to handwave so I guess Nasu felt the need to say that shit. It's not as if Fate/Zero didn't happen. It DID happen, it's just that some things happened differently.
Fate/Grand Order references Fate/stay night fricking constantly. It's a parallel world, yes, but Fate/stay night is still relevant to Fate/Grand Order.
If they remake it, it will probably piss off OG fate fans.
Because the approach of T-M when it comes to remakes is to just remake stuff with the perspective of their current fans, and despite Fate being the flagship franchise of T-M, Fate back in the day and Fate nowadays are way too different in tone for the two to mix.
From Nasu's perspective, rewriting Tsukihime probably isn't all that different from rewriting his original unfinished high school "Fate" novel with a male Saber and turning it into Fate/stay night. The obvious difference is that Tsukihime was actually published while the original Fate wasn't, and since no one's ever read the original Fate it's hard to actually complain about the changes. But I don't really think Nasu cares. From his perspective, the original Tsukihime probably isn't in a much better position from the original Fate, and he probably feels no guilt about retconning all of it.
It's just shitflinging. Kara no Kyoukai is closer to the Tsukihime side of things than the Fate side, and there was always a rivalry between Fategays and Tsukigays.
>and there was always a rivalry between Fategays and Tsukigays.
Where? Not on old Ganker, that's for sure. Mirror Moon threads used to be comfy as FRICK back in the day.
Rose-tinted glasses. Shitflinging was always prevalent in regards to Type-Moon. If HFgays and UBWgays can't stop fricking shitting on each other, what the frick makes you think that Tsukigays and Fategays were all buddy-buddy? People can't stand the fact that anything other than what they prefer exists and so they shit on each other over it. You may not remember it but it was there. TMgays have ALWAYS been the pettiest, most moronic-ass aggressive ape motherfrickers ever and that hasn't changed in fifteen years.
They're pretty with great music. I honestly don't remember that much about them, don't watch them expecting action. They are a bunch of endless talking and solving some mysteries over pretty backgrounds.
This art is so much better than the original Fate/stay night manga adaptation. Like holy shit that artist was fricking awful. It's a bit weird because their art wasn't THAT bad in the earlier chapters. Like it wasn't particularly good but his art style just kept declining as he went on.
There ain't no second or third UBW movie. There's just the one shitty one, lmao. Still love it though. Was terrible when it was the only UBW people could experience besides reading the VN, but now? It's a route speedrun with some flashy fights.
I'd much rather have them port their shit to PC. Fate/Stay Night remains for all intents and purposes impossible to legally play, even if you spoke Japanese.
I thought the same, then actually played the VN earlier this year and it turns out it's actually got really cool world building, an interesting cast and the overarching plot ain't too bad even if shounen-tier. A lot of what you hear about fate actually comes from FGO, at least in my case. I always saw it as some soulless gacha with waifus that climb all over your dick, and because you can't really explain Fate's lore neatly, every Fate fan that tried to explore the world to me just put me off it harder, it all sounded like schizo drivel.
The VN does have extremely cringe sex scenes but assuming you're playing with the Ultimate patch you can just turn those off.
Kinda feel like a Caster route would be kinda awkward given that she's, you know, deeply in love with another dude. Rider too because I can't actually picture her betraying Sakura like that. It just doesn't work.
I always felt like labelling routes based on which girl gets banged was inherently silly. Fate is Saber's Story, UBW is Archer's Story, HF is Shirou's and Sakura's story. Rin is a dueteragonist in each route.
Unironically who gives a frick? They'll just add shitty fgo donutsteel OCs, add mash and gudao or some garbage, then butcher everyone into a saber face with heaven's feel removed for 60 bucks on console only.
I wish the Type Moon fanbase was more fun. I really love FSN but talking about it always just amounts to arguing, and a lot of (angry) autism. Banning Sakura Fish was unironically a terrible thing.
It's funny because it's not like Nasu didn't make a shitty show. He wrote Last Encore. But when that show failed, he didn't defend himself. He just went "Welp, I fricked up. But it was fun so I don't regret it."
11 months ago
Anonymous
>But when that show failed, he didn't defend himself. He just went "Welp, I fricked up. But it was fun so I don't regret it."
What are you talking about? He b***hed that no one understood his masterpiece and people who didn't like it just needed to rewatch and think about it a little harder to understand how great it was.
He's always been a little salty that EXTRA doesn't get the love he thinks it deserves because it's his baby.
11 months ago
Anonymous
didn't he write a whole novel's worth of material for it or something? I'm fuzzy on the details
11 months ago
Anonymous
I've never liked Extra's aesthetic. The weird sci-fi vibe, with the rock-paper-scissors fighting, and knockoff Persona life-sim elements. It feels like it's very personal to him, which is great, but you're already mixing "historical figures fighting each other." Why are you making it all techno, and futuristic?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Because Nasu likes sci-fi and he wanted to make a sci-fi Fate thing. It was always a passion project for him.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, I get it. But if he's frustrated why others 'don't get it... I'm sure he's wiping his tears in his lambo, though.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I don't think Fate/EXTRA did poorly, and Fate/Extella probably did okay too for what it was. The problem is Last Encore specifically. Last Encore is basically what happens when Takeuchi isn't around to act as Nasu's tard wrangler.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>He wrote Last Encore.
oh god
the PSP games and the first musou (not the latest one with the shittier story) made me a huge Nerogay and even I had no fricking clue what the frick that shit was.
I literally can't recall anything about it other than "it was bad". My brain just decided to save the energy rather than store any memories of it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>But when that show failed, he didn't defend himself. He just went "Welp, I fricked up. But it was fun so I don't regret it."
What are you talking about? He b***hed that no one understood his masterpiece and people who didn't like it just needed to rewatch and think about it a little harder to understand how great it was.
He's always been a little salty that EXTRA doesn't get the love he thinks it deserves because it's his baby.
I'm trying to think what a Fate Sotsu would actually be like and it's hard.
It would be like if it were a sequel to say HF, Shirou discovers Sakura still has some kind of deep seated resentment. But Sakura is too far gone and she starts killing everyone like Rin and Medusa in gratuitous and ridiculously sadistic ways. Like think Ilya's brutal death but Gil played around with the body for 10 minutes. In fact resurect Ilya then kill her again. Then Shirou and Sakura have an emotional fight on the riverbed where Shirou says it's all good I'm still your seigi no mikata, Zelritch comes out of nowhere and resets the timeline and wipes everyone's memory of it. Two seasons of that, about 12 episodes of which are recaps from Sakura's pov.
11 months ago
Anonymous
that sounds hilarious. I didn't watch the Higu animes because I didn't care for it much by the end, although I did finish it all
11 months ago
Anonymous
It wasn't very hilarious to me, but I'm too invested in Higurashi I guess.
On another note when it happened people were coping about the manga being different and saving the story. Well it took a year but it suddenly might be possible.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm too invested in Higurashi I guess.
Is it true that gou is basically an adapttion of the VN? For example i'm reading chapter 2 where they break into the shrine and feel like i've already read it. Also everyone says the original VN has a terrible ending.
11 months ago
Anonymous
What, are you saying you watched Gou then are now reading the original? Gou chapters are the same setting as the VN, but some conditions are different. Different things happen, and it's a sequel because of certain magical reasons.
For what it's worth I loved the ending. It was really fricking stupid at many moments, but it had soul. Ryu had a vision of a story and he wanted to tell it passionately. The overall mystery is solved with the seventh chapter that most people love. The final one is about explaining motives and concluding things.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Is it true that gou is basically an adapttion of the VN
not at all, it's just that it reuses the general framework of the original story. it's a sequel initially disguised as a "remake", but turned out to be garbage.
You will see surface level comparisons to the VN's first few chapters(like the shrine stuff in ch.2), but the meat of the story is not the same.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>it's a sequel initially disguised as a "remake", but turned out to be garbage.
ahhh just like 7R
11 months ago
Anonymous
Sotsu isn't even "so bad it's good," because literally 10 episodes of it are pointless recaps that hammer in information you could summarize in one. "Satoko did it." No matter how insane and nonsensical it possibly could be, "Satoko did it." She is the root of everything evil happening to everyone.
11 months ago
Anonymous
And it's not one of those things where people can call you a "speedwatcher," and say "you just didn't get it." It's genuinely atrocious.
As much as you shitpost this, Type-Moon's localisations outside of F/GO (which is more of a joke than anything else) are fine. Fate is one of those series that'll have even Japanese players struggle to figure out what Nasu meant by a term. There was this one Siegfried/Einzbern related thing that didn't get cleared up till F/GO or Apocrypha.
>There was this one Siegfried/Einzbern related thing that didn't get cleared up till F/GO or Apocrypha.
This was because mirrormoon fricked up translating Rheingold, not because Nasu was confusing.
The Fate translation scene, both official and fan, is really mediocre.
I mean in fairness, you probably wouldn't know what Das Rheingold is unless you were specifically familiar with the Nibelung Saga. Though I guess it's still on Mirror Moon since they couldn't even be bothered to look up what ラインゴールド was referring to.
If you consider GOtards part of the fanbase, then the overwhelming majority of the fanbase is GOtards. They started with GO, and either haven't touched anything else, or only anime adaptations. As a result, the existence of GO negatively affects all TM discussion online. Furthermore, FGO is dramatically worse than everything that came before it. The worst part, however, is the popularity of FGO (out of universe) and its dimension-hopping multiverse shit (in-universe) means that it's inescapable. It plunders and defiles the good things Nasu did before, as he rewrites and redefines his universe to suit the bad ideas and boring powerwank of his worst work. DDD is Nasu at his best, FGO is like the opposite of DDD.
>good things Nasu did before
LOL. GOchads ARE the fanbase. Everything that "came before" has become secondary (for good reason given how shit it is). Just be glad that we're not stuck with the old Nasu trash. It was a terribly trite and lacking series until we got GO.
I think people just want more with the story, and these characters, cause they're incredibly endeared to it. It's a monkey's paw.
I remember though like, the freakout with the epilogue episode of UBW. We actually got to SEE post-route content. See London, and that was a big fricking deal.
I remember watching that air live, people's reactions were crazy when everyone realized it was a real epilogue. Sadly the closest we'll ever get to a UBW sequel, but definitely a good thing that Nasu contributed so much to that anime adaptation.
>I remember watching that air live, people's reactions were crazy when everyone realized it was a real epilogue. Sadly the closest we'll ever get to a UBW sequel, but definitely a good thing that Nasu contributed so much to that anime adaptation.
Primaries hated ufotable's adaptions. VNgays are never happy.
>Primaries hated ufotable's adaptions.
I have some issues with the adapations but I liked them enough to import the blu-rays. Some things are worse, but a lot of things are just as good as the game or better.
One changed scene that sticks out in my mind from the HF adaptation is when Sakura laments about how she's killed people, and when asks Shirou if he's telling her to live after all that, instead of being calmly stern with her like in the VN he just snaps at her like YES DAMMIT.
I liked that change.
Honestly I feel like part of the rate is just an extension of route and/or waifu wars. That's why it's so hard for people to have an honest discussion in this fandom. Are you being genuine in your criticism, or are you just trying to piss someone off who doesn't support "Best Girl"?
Maybe the lines are so blurred, that the answer is both, cause there's this weird thing with FSN, where you read a literal million word novel, and go, "yeah, personally? I only liked 1/3rd of it."
>Honestly I feel like part of the rate is just an extension of route and/or waifu wars. That's why it's so hard for people to have an honest discussion in this fandom. Are you being genuine in your criticism, or are you just trying to piss someone off who doesn't support "Best Girl"? >Maybe the lines are so blurred, that the answer is both, cause there's this weird thing with FSN, where you read a literal million word novel, and go, "yeah, personally? I only liked 1/3rd of it."
UBW vs HF wars have been going on since 2004. Zero vs UBW wars have been going on since 2014.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, and that shit extends to even back then. Personally, I don't think the DEEN 2006 adaptation is the worst thing ever, but people shat on it a lot, not just because it had jank animation, and some odd choices, but because the other routes weren't being told, and it comes down partially to fear that others, outside the core fandom, would never experience more, and only think it's the Fate route.
I've even softened on the UBW movie, cause Christ, now UBW's been adapted into every medium except as a light novel.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I've even softened on the UBW movie, cause Christ, now UBW's been adapted into every medium except as a light novel.
UBW has always been the most popular route.
>Q: In the first month of 2004 Fate went on sale. What was the reaction to it like? >Takeuchi: They seemed to really like it, which made us very happy. >Nasu: It was a title we believed in, so seeing it sell well gave us a lot of confidence. The reactions to it were both good and, in some cases, a little hollow. It was a victory that was both satisfying and hollow. >Takeuchi: He's speaking of the Sakura route. A lot of people were disatisfied with it. Hence, the hollow feeling. >Nasu: Yes, although recently more people are warming up to it. When it first came out, people were so excited and pleased by the Saber and Rin routes that they expected to keep proceeding down the royal road. The Sakura route is not like that at all, and they had trouble accepting that when it first appeared. We learned a lot from that experience.
>映像を信じていない、映像を見せられると自分の矛盾やウソを突きつけられると語ったきのこに『俺の文章はこ ういう絵に出来るのか』と思わせたhf……本当にすごいと改めて思った… >At first, Nasu didn't believe HF could make for a good movie, and that seeing it animated would just expose his lies and inconsistencies, but seeing Sudou's adaptation amazed him and made him think "So my writing can be be turned into art like this?". >これが先に出来ていたらCCCは無かったと言わしめる >According to Nasu, if the HF movies had come out first, he would never have made CCC.
Nasu EXPLICITLY wants you to symphatize with Sakura, that's the whole reason he made CCC.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, cool. I do like me some UBW lots. I like FSN in general. Breaks my heart that I absolutely fricking hate FGO as a game. I had to leave this franchise behind because I didn't want to play a mobile game that bored me to tears.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I can't really see Nurse Sakura/B.B. and Sakura as the same person so I'm not sure if that really worked. I don't dislike Sakura or anything, but I like B.B. way more.
>I remember though like, the freakout with the epilogue episode of UBW. We actually got to SEE post-route content. See London, and that was a big fricking deal.
Nasu heavily supervised and wrote the anime scripts for the UBW anime and plenty of his scenes were on the cutting room floor
>Nasu: Exactly. Old Me would have fearlessly spelled out the theme. I thought "Ah, this is definitely going to transfix the people tuned to this channel." But with this adaptation, we're trying to take the original game's copious amounts of dialog and revise them into a form that will convey the same meaning in the allotted length and can be depicted well visually. I think that's what they were careful about in this adaptation. I can't remember what I was feeling as I was writing 10 years ago, but I remember to this day what it was that I wanted to write. That's why I'm explaining to the anime staff, "In this scene, this line here is key, so trim down the rest and highlight this part."
>Miura: At the outset, Mr. Nasu told us, "I want you to never let Shirou smile." I sometimes thought that was flat-out impossible. But the thing is, Shirou is that sharply defined a person inside Mr. Nasu's head.
>Nasu: The first script that ufotable brought to me had a lot of sentences lifted from the original game, but since we'd just end up replicating those scenes, I realized that I had to retool it for the anime. But when I rewrote it myself, it was just cool, and not compelling at all. So when I re-read the original game, it was totally grim. That's when I realized that that was the essence of UBW, and the lines that took 30 minutes for the characters to utter in-game, I cut down to five. But I had no idea how it would be brought to the screen, so in my head I was thinking "Sorry, Mr Miura," but it turned out to be a wonderful film, and personally, I'm overjoyed.
>I remember though like, the freakout with the epilogue episode of UBW. We actually got to SEE post-route content. See London, and that was a big fricking deal.
Nasu heavily supervised and wrote the anime scripts for the UBW anime and plenty of his scenes were on the cutting room floor
>Nasu: Exactly. Old Me would have fearlessly spelled out the theme. I thought "Ah, this is definitely going to transfix the people tuned to this channel." But with this adaptation, we're trying to take the original game's copious amounts of dialog and revise them into a form that will convey the same meaning in the allotted length and can be depicted well visually. I think that's what they were careful about in this adaptation. I can't remember what I was feeling as I was writing 10 years ago, but I remember to this day what it was that I wanted to write. That's why I'm explaining to the anime staff, "In this scene, this line here is key, so trim down the rest and highlight this part."
>Miura: At the outset, Mr. Nasu told us, "I want you to never let Shirou smile." I sometimes thought that was flat-out impossible. But the thing is, Shirou is that sharply defined a person inside Mr. Nasu's head.
>Nasu: The first script that ufotable brought to me had a lot of sentences lifted from the original game, but since we'd just end up replicating those scenes, I realized that I had to retool it for the anime. But when I rewrote it myself, it was just cool, and not compelling at all. So when I re-read the original game, it was totally grim. That's when I realized that that was the essence of UBW, and the lines that took 30 minutes for the characters to utter in-game, I cut down to five. But I had no idea how it would be brought to the screen, so in my head I was thinking "Sorry, Mr Miura," but it turned out to be a wonderful film, and personally, I'm overjoyed.
Shirou dreams about being in a wasteland wondering whether to keep going or take a different path. Wakes up in his apartment, goes over to Rin's place and starts makes her breakfast. He opens the curtains revealing it's London. They have breakfast, talk about what they're going to do that day etc etc. Shirou starts to tell her about how he got the invite from the association but stops, Rin notices that he's worried about something but doesn't say anything
They go out and head to the clock tower. Shirou stares at a nondescript random student while wondering if he's out of place being there. There's a conversation about how Shirou has to protect himself from people who don't like him and might gandr him or something and he's like "like you?" and Rin gets flustered and causes a scene.
Rin mentions her first class is self-defense, cut to the Luvia fight. It ends in a tie, they set aside their differences and shake hands honourably until they both reveal that they thought they were the winner.
Then they have lunch and Luvia insists on coming along since she was the one who got them the apartments anyway. Luvia reminisces about how she first met Shirou (he saved her from assassins with kanshou in one hand and a bag of groceries in the other). She wonders if he's worried about something but he brushes it off and goes to put away the dishes. When he leaves Luvia pesters Rin about overworking him but she says she's not (also mentions he does butler stuff for Luvia twice a week), it's because he got a letter from the Association telling him what his colour is, basically meaning he can enroll. Luvia's happy (bc they can get closer) and thinks Rin should be too, Rin's not so sure
Case Files implied it continues from Unlimited Blade Works aka Rin route but it's not confirmed yet
The original FSN VM is pretty rough. It comes from an era of full screen of text overlayed on top of the imagery. A remake could move text into a bottom frame, and improve the art/audio.
But I also think if they release an English version, the web version would be shut down.
>The original FSN VM is pretty rough. It comes from an era of full screen of text overlayed on top of the imagery. A remake could move text into a bottom frame, and improve the art/audio.
Bad taste and moronic. Wait until you learn that NVL is alive and well.
>Will they remake it for its 20th anniversary next year?
Nasu still doesn't know how he would ruin it yet.
Takeuchi will give shirou a kamen rider jacket
I wish Fate route would be remade with better romance, but consider how fricking low Takeuchi has fallen as an artist, I don't think remake is possible.
It doesn't have to be idolshit. Just have masters team together to solve some sort of demon problem. Different characters can have different heroic spirits of their character class, etc.
Among VN makers, who has degraded their legacy most and least? In your eyes or generally. I'll always be pissed off about OVERDRIVE, but Type-Moon takes the cake. Are any VN studios just consistently good, has every fanbase got grief by now?
The thing is when Type-Moon choose to actually make VNs like Mahoyo and TsukiR they're still the best around,when it comes to visuals and directing and arguably writing. They've stained their legacy by continuing to milk Fate with gachashit instead of sticking to what they do best unfortunately.
>Are any VN studios just consistently good,
lol no, few of the studios who made all the big classics have continued to make VNs and most of their quality has gone down the drain.
A company can't sustain itself off of one guy's VNs forever. Plus Nasu was dying to break into the video games market somehow and after EXTRA just kinda fizzled out (which wasn't helped by the company who made the games going bankrupt), mobile was just the easiest way in. And then after the complete shit first year the game blew the frick up which allowed Type-Moon to open its own game studio which Nasu named after his beloved waifu B.B.
The prospect of studio BB is great and all but unfortunately they still haven't managed to put out even one game yet (which is just a remake anyway) and from what I've heard they were pulled in to help with FGO, which just tells me their priorities still lie in gacha trash.
FGO is their only consistent product. Type-Moon's product releases are hilariously inconsistent so the fact that they have a game that that consistently draw in revenue is probably the only reason the company's keeping afloat anymore. This is the issue with being almost entirely on a single writer's output for most of the major products.
I've never heard anyone describe F/GO as "consistent". The quality warps up and down, usually when Higashide and Sakurai get their filthy hands on a chapter.
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Pretty sure he meant from a financial standpoint.
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Consistent in terms of time. Consistent month-to-month revenue. TM isn't exactly known for reliable release schedules, Tsukihime Remake came off the back of, what, 15(?) years of waiting and only has 1/3 of the routes.
>This is the issue with being almost entirely on a single writer's output
Would be less of a problem if Nasu wasn't such a lazy bastard in the first place. How long was he pretending to be working on shit like Girl's Work? How much of his work isn't based on something he wrote in high school/university? The guy that writes Index churns out like 10 LN volumes a year, Nasu can go 10 years doing frick all.
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What? Girls Work was never Nasu's project. He was just an executive producer. After Fate/stay night, he worked on Fate/hollow ataraxia. Then he was involved in DEEN's Fate adaptation. Later on he'd work on Fate/EXTRA. Then he did the stupid and announced multiple projects simultaneously, even though he's the main writer on two of them. Between everything he was involved in every animated adaptation of his works, Fate/EXTRA CCC, Fate/Extella and then Fate/Grand Order. It's not as if he was doing nothing.
But the thing is he's one guy, and writing projects typically take a long time. Most novelists can take years to churn out a single novel, and it's not as if Nasu's works tend to be all that short. If FGO didn't exist, yeah, maybe the remake and Mahoyo wouldn't have taken as long, but they still would have taken years. Years of a company making almost no revenue because they're not releasing anything new. This is why most dedicated VN companies tend to have multiple writers on staff, and sometimes even have multiple writers work on a single VN. But that's not what Tsukihime or Mahoyo were. This is the entire reason that Higashide and Sakurai were hired in the first place, and while Fate/Apocrypha was actually successful even if not everyone here liked it, it still didn't really hold a candle to Fate/stay night. Nasu is consistently the company's golden goose, but it takes him a while to lay eggs.
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Even if Nasu is meeting with guys on any of those projects once a month it's a stupidly high time investment too when you think about it. That probably slows down a lot of the stuff that people want, the writing time needed just isn't there.
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Personally, while I do feel it'd be nice not having to wait a decade between visual novels releases, after TsukiR knowing it'll actually come out at some point and be of high quality makes the wait bearable.
I think being drip-fed Prisma Illya chapters would be bother me more, but it's not like I keep up with author's personal life or anything either so I don't know what's going on there.
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Hopefully the pace picks up a bit now that Part 2 of FGO's over. Plus, most of the storyboarding and shit for both TsukiR and Mahoyo should have been long-completed so maybe that'll speed things up as well? I mean who the frick knows with his fricker.
In regards to Prisma, I think the author's health's been in decline or something so he hasn't been able to keep up with the release schedule.
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Why does he have to be the anime Steven King? If I had as much money as him I would do the same, do what I want when I want if I want
>they're still the best around,when it comes to visuals and directing
This is true, but this is based on them having a lot of money, if you compare it to other VN companies, there are companies that create works that get pretty close to T-M stuff with just a fraction of the budget. Light, Makura, Nitro+.
>and arguably writing
This is not true, even back in 2012 when Mahoyo came out (And Mahoyo being Nasu's best written work) it was already beaten with works such as KKK, WE, FMDM, MLA...
Let correct you,
All of them are better that Nasu's best work. (And this is not implying that Nasu's best work, Mahoyo is shit, this just implies that those VNs are just so great)
If you don't believe me, go read them.
Let correct you,
All of them are better that Nasu's best work. (And this is not implying that Nasu's best work, Mahoyo is shit, this just implies that those VNs are just so great)
If you don't believe me, go read them.
High production costs and being released in an era when VNs on the PC were going out of fashion probably. TsukiR hasn't gotten a PC release yet for similar reasons.
Also it's incomplete and we'll probably never see the second and third parts anytime soon.
Still sold well but considering how FGO blew up it makes sense.
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It hasn't gotten a PC release because trying to sell PC games via physical CD is becoming an ever-uphill battle even in Japan these days, and TYPE-MOON still refuses to jump on the Steam train.
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That and piracy fears I guess. Japanese devs are always paranoid about that. Reading Mahoyo or TsukiR on the Switch/PS4 has to be awkward to do though.
I would say maybe the anime movies could just finish the story but Nasu's last crack at anime original plot was LE and we all know how that went.
Our best bet sadly but a tonne could get lost if we take the HF movies as an example.
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>TsukiR on the Switch/PS4 has to be awkward to do though
if they're worried about piracy but putting shit on the Switch, boy do I have bad news for them kek
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TsukiR's assets were wasted on the Switch anyway
Japan's pretty used to reading VNs on consoles. I mean there was a solid number of years where the only way you could play Realta Nua was on a PS2.
I remember that, doesn't hurt that the PS2 was a monster sales wise either. Half a dozen studios made similar ports to the console in the 00s.
11 months ago
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Japan's pretty used to reading VNs on consoles. I mean there was a solid number of years where the only way you could play Realta Nua was on a PS2.
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I would say maybe the anime movies could just finish the story but Nasu's last crack at anime original plot was LE and we all know how that went.
It's a bit of a mystery to make that these Fate/Tsukihime remakes happen at all.
They can pay some artist $50 to make a new JPEG and generate $500,000 from it with a gacha, so why do they do anything else? Is it an attempt to bring more people into the gacha?
I don't accept it being a passion project because obviously nothing in Fate has been related to passion in at least a decade.
Even if they did remake it it would be a downgrade in some facet.
I love Takeuchi as an artist and the slander he gets these days is ridiculous, but there is something about his early CGs that just capture an energy that his recent stuff doesnt. I can't imagine any new drawings he could do comparing to some of the old ones.
I think the Tsukihime remake's stuff's decent. Takeuchi's strengths were three things: character design, facial expressions and setpieces. Tsukihime remake in many respects feels like an evolution of Fate/stay night. Problem is he doesn't actually get to do this kind of work all that often because Fate/Grand Order doesn't really make heavy usage of event CGs, and even when there ARE event CGs, he's not the only artist on staff and they're often done by other people where it's relevant.
Still, what FGO DOES let Takeuchi flex is facial expressions. I honestly think he's improved in this regard since F/sn.
Yeah, he's gotten way better at character stuff for sure, even if I am nostalgic for the old designs.
I think the issue I have with takeuchi's stuff is the same issue I have with ufotable's fate stuff as well. Usually it is a direct upgrade and looks really fricking good, but getting better at art often means that you feel the need to overdo things as well. I liked the simplicity of a lot of the shit in the VN, where fights felt more like desperate scraps compared to two gods hurling themselves at each other. I think if Takeuchi was to redo fsn itd lean more towards the latter then the former, which is something I noticed in Tsukihime R as well.
Thing is I think that was less a personal choice on his part and just a limitation of his skills back then. Takeuchi was a manga man. His inspirations were shit like Trigun. If he had the capability to make things more dynamic, I think he would have done so gladly. Stuff like that's kind of his passion.
Still, I don't think he's entirely overdoing it. I think he just wants to convey as much of the emotions that Nasu writes into his characters as possible. Did you know that Castria alone has a hundred different facial expressions? It may not seem like much since all he's doing is just pasting different faces on the same body over and over, but that's still kinda crazy. You may think that's excessive, and I'm not gonna lie, I'm not really sure he'd bother going that far if it were any other character, and technically some of those expressions seem to have been reserved just for Aesc, but it's really something. It's not just her, Mash's expression sheet's doubled in length too.
Yes.
Leave Fate and UBW mostly unchanged, redo the art and scrap HF completely and make seperate Sakura and Illya route. Make Last Episode a part of Fate route's true ending and make Sakura route the last one to unlock so that I don't have to play that shit.
Frankly I'd just be satisfied if they actually ported stay night and hollow ataraxia to something other than iOS/Android and the fricking Vita. Though an Illya route would be nice too.
Finished Ciel route today bros.
Final fight was a bit too much but damn I love Noel.
Here's hoping gacha doesn't fill another decade of Nasu's time and he can get far side and Mahoyo 2 out.
If there is a remake, the following changes need to be made >Remake Saber's route to better tell her story and romance with Shirou. >Replace Rin as the heroine with Taiga >Replace Sakura as heroine with Illya
Honestly, I don't think Fate/stay night at all needs a remake. Tjhough if a new edition of F/sn WERE made, I think at most it should be something akin of Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix+ where, rather than changing things, they just add things here and there. Realta Nua was actually already a bit like this. In reality, Realta Nua added more than just substitutes for sex scenes and Last Episode. It also added some new CG that wasn't present in the original Fate.
The problem is if you add new content to Fate/stay night now, you'd probably have to redraw the whole thing anyway. Having Takeuchi draw new art for the thing would clash too heavily with the rest of the existing CGs. So it might just be better to leave it be.
>Replace Sakura as heroine with Illya
The original plan way two-part release. With only first part being named Fate/Stay Night. This part was supposed to include only Saber and Rin route. And essentially being "Near side" of Fate story. Second part had be released later under title "Fate/Other Night" and was supposed to include Sakura's and Illya's routes. At first Nasu wanted to make two separate VNs since Saber + Illya + Sakura + Rin routes would be too huge.
>Besides that, there was also the “Rider route where you fight against Rin and Saber,” and the “Caster route where Caster gets turned into a e-girl and becomes your partner.” >While all traces of the Caster route were completely erased, the development where you teamed up with Rider was actually folded into part of the final story. >If the Illya route had made it into the game, the diversion point probably would have been on the ninth day of the Sakura route. Instead of choosing between being a superhero and choosing Sakura, there would be a third choice where you could choose Illya.
Pretty much every plot-relevant character is a prism for Shirou. Shirou cares about others at the expense of looking after himself, Shinji for example is a complete inversion though in that he only cares about himself (his own self-actualization specifically) and not enough about the people surrounding him. Saber is an idolized version of Shirou having walked his path, Archer is the antithesis. Even Kuzuki is a reflection of Shirou in a sense - he's a survivor, chooses not to engage other Masters unless provoked, is an unrelated random npc that gets drafted into the HGW, and waifus his own Servant. A lot of these characters just serve to explore Shirou as a character in various contexts. What if Shirou becomes SEIGI NO MIKATA, what if he doesn't, what if he never had a fatherly figure, etc.
The prequel is FZ. The fandisk is FHA. Everything else is a spinoff.
Honestly, I don't think Fate/stay night at all needs a remake. Tjhough if a new edition of F/sn WERE made, I think at most it should be something akin of Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix+ where, rather than changing things, they just add things here and there. Realta Nua was actually already a bit like this. In reality, Realta Nua added more than just substitutes for sex scenes and Last Episode. It also added some new CG that wasn't present in the original Fate.
The problem is if you add new content to Fate/stay night now, you'd probably have to redraw the whole thing anyway. Having Takeuchi draw new art for the thing would clash too heavily with the rest of the existing CGs. So it might just be better to leave it be.
Saber is Shirou's "soul mate", two impossibly compatible individuals separated by a length of time that makes it impossible for them to be together. Logically speaking, these two should never meet, but a twist of "Fate" allowed them to do so. Even if they should meet again, it is impossible for them to support one another. Saber had already endured her trials and their parting coincides with her victory over them, while Shirou's trials are only just beginning. Last Episode can only happen once both their trials are already complete, but until then, they cannot do anything for one another.
Rin is the partner of the "Ally of Justice". Of the three heroines, she is the only one capable of supporting Shirou should he choose to walk that path. She is his pillar, his rock, the one who can finally get him to smile despite the painful road he walks. He understands and accepts him, and though it might be difficult, she admires the life he chooses to live and as the only one able to support him, does so without hesitation. After all, Saber literally can't be with Shirou, while Sakura would be dead weight.
Sakura is an interesting situation. In order for Shirou to choose her, he must abandon his path as a SEIGI NO MIKATA. By all accounts, this is the default path that Shirou is destined to take. Like if you looked at every timeline in which Shirou participates in the Holy Grail War, he probably becomes a seigi no mikata like nine times out of ten or something. So the odds of Shirou getting together with Sakura seems fairly thin because it explicitly requires him to do something that he wouldn't ever do. Sakura is the opposite of Rin. If Rin is the only one who can support Shirou as an ally of justice, then Shirou is the only one who can support Sakura. I mean maybe Rider can, but Rider to Sakura is the same as Saber to Shirou in that it's a logically impossible meeting. She's a ghost from the distant past, normally they should never meet. Of course the ultimate irony here is that at the end of her route's True End, Sakura gets to keep both Shirou AND Rider, an ending that just isn't allowed to Saber.
>Rin is the partner of the "Ally of Justice". Of the three heroines, she is the only one capable of supporting Shirou should he choose to walk that path. She is his pillar, his rock, the one who can finally get him to smile despite the painful road he walks. He understands and accepts him, and though it might be difficult, she admires the life he chooses to live and as the only one able to support him, does so without hesitation. After all, Saber literally can't be with Shirou, while Sakura would be dead weight.
UBW is like an otome game where Rin as the protag has her own reverse harem of Shrou (main), Archer (alternate main), Lancer, Saber. The major villains are also those found in otome: Caster (a witch with her own tragic love story), Shinji (dude who wants to rape the protag), Kirei (protag's evil teacher), and Gilgamesh (evil counterpart of main hero and his alt)
>Takeuchi: I think Rin is a character who is all about potential. Maybe that's why I'm only truly appreciating her now. Saber felt so complete right from the start, and the poetic beauty of her pairing with Shirou only added to the perfection. In Rin's case, however, a lot of events and situations like that whole London deal kept bringing out new sides of her that we hadn't previously seen. She makes you think about what "potential" really means, in a variety of ways. For example, if we were to do a spin-off story for Saber that took place in the Knights of the Round Table era, we still wouldn't be able to disband or do without the pairing of Saber and Shirou. That combination is just so complete that it's hard to adapt it to totally different situations.
>Rin, on the other hand, is more of a free agent because her relationship with Shirou doesn't define her in any way. Of course we have the Archer/Rin pairing, but a Lancer/Rin pairing would work out just as well and be just as good in its own way.
Yeah, but that's not really what I'm talking about. It's not so much that Rin is defined by her relationship with Shirou, but rather that Rin is the only one capable of supporting Shirou. If she doesn't end up doing this, then Shirou's just on his own because no one else can follow him. Saber's a ghost, Ilya dies in a year and Sakura's dead weight. And no one else would really understand Shirou well enough to be able to support him. Rin is the only heroine who's uniquely equipped for this role.
Shirou in the UBW route is basically a comic book superhero, with all the weight, and responsibility that that comes with. Rin is Shirou's "guy in the chair."
VNgays, especially in regards to Type-Moon, Nitro+ and light, have a tendency to be insanely narrow-minded. Just because they prefer the type of content of a specific work, they act as though it's objectively better than the rest when it's just that the content matter is more suited to their tastes. Nitro+ and lightgays are pretty bad, but TMgays are often so awful that they fight over individual routes from the same fricking VN.
>TMgays are often so awful that they fight over individual routes from the same fricking VN.
Part of the problem is FSN has two routes that more or less tell two diverging morals, and people have been arguing about that for literally 20 fricking years, lmao.
Unlimited Blade Works, and Heaven's Feel. Unlimited Blade Works has the protagonist resolve himself to more or less become a superhero, and deal with all the bullshit that comes with that, while Heaven's Feel is the "go home and be a family man" ending.
Well one of them involved the protagonist's literal future self going back in time to kill him so he wouldn't become a superhero (this was in 2004 when that plot, weirdly enough, WASN'T done multiple times already), and the other had the guy fight satan, and got his soul stuffed into a fake mannequin body.
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Worm infested pussy is so good it can fix sword autism.
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In UBW, Shirou persists on becoming a wandering good samaritan who travels the world into conflict zones and disaster areas in order to save whoever he can. In Heaven's Feel, he gives up on his goal because he can't save the one he loves if he persists on following it. So it boils down to one route being "save who you can" and the other route being "save the one you love". Incidentally, the one he loves changes depending on the route so it's not even like Sakura's a factor in his decisions in the UBW route.
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UBW deals with the question "Are you willing to continue striving to be a hero when you know the consequences will be exceedingly negative for you and cost you everything?" (Yes)
HF goes with "A friend* has become an enemy to fricking everybody but also a victim, are you willing to cast her aside to protect others, or will you abandon your ideals to protect her?"
It's not about morality. It was never about morality. Not once is it claimed that there is one absolutely correct path. None of the paths that Shirou takes are fundamentally wrong. They are just different possibilities.
I mean how much of a critically inflated sense of self-importance would you have to have to say that wanting to save lives is wrong? Or wanting to save the person you love is wrong. I can guarantee you that no matter what path Shirou takes, regardless of whether it's Fate, UBW or HF, he's always living a much more admirable life than anyone in this board.
They are fans of those companies only after reading one of their work.
In the case of Light is Dies Irae.
In the case of Nitro+ it was Saya no Uta, but nowadays is Muramasa.
In the case of TM IS Fate.
Their closed mindness comes from the fact that they feel insecure.
I think I read somewhere that when they were still friends Shinji destroyed the social life of anyone who spoke badly or took advantage of Shirou, a pity we never got to see it
Do you know nothing about him? His earliest memory is of Kiritsugu rescuing him and looking so relieved to save one person it was like he was the one being saved. Shirou was heavily affected by this and has wanted, above all else, to be a person who saves others ever since. Even (or especially) at cost to himself. That epiphany scene toward the end of UBW has even Saber perturbed at how much Shirou seems to view suffering for others as something to actively aspire to.
I can see that, we only ever see him around the time of the war, which obviously affects him a lot. Pretty sure other characters in the school mention having low opinions of him already, so at least some of the butthole was always there. But then again, being generally disliked is probably a plus for being liked by someone like Shirou.
I imagine HA and Carnival Phantasm is probably in the ballpark of what he was like at some point, in which case, yeah, I could see him not being the worst person to exist around.
I can see that, we only ever see him around the time of the war, which obviously affects him a lot. Pretty sure other characters in the school mention having low opinions of him already, so at least some of the butthole was always there. But then again, being generally disliked is probably a plus for being liked by someone like Shirou.
I'm talking about the Ordeal Call stuff. This time was focused on Sakura, so I'm guessing Rin's due for another thing as well. Then again, Ereshkigal did have a role in the previous Lostbelt.
I found Mahoyo to be so bad it made me realize I only liked Tsukihime because I read it when I was 14. >b-b-b-but muh production values
Don't care. Unlikeable cast, boring action with no stakes, first part of a trilogy that will never be completed and doesn't really work as a standalone.
Notes was about the life of a mercenary at the end of the world, Kara no Kyoukai was a nosy hedge-mage and her pet murder psychic getting involved in local happenings, for crying out loud the scariest monster in WotHN amounted to a magic werewolf. But now Servants need to be in everything, everything needs to be able to kill a Heroic Spirit to be worth screentime. Mages don't do rituals and make bounded fields, they shoot lasers and do kung fu. Back in WotHN the fifth magic was so scary because it was just raw, vulgar force that could surmount any amount of magecraft trickery, which was weird for mages AT THE TIME.
When I heard Tsuikihime was getting a remake, I was cautiously optimistic until I heard him say he would up the stakes and scale because he thought nobody would take it seriously otherwise. No more day-to-day life of a freak raised away from the modern world blending into society with a creature even less human than him, we're getting city blocks swallowed by magic beams (in a world where magic is secret) and timeline frickery and a hero with the only male face Ufotable is capable of drawing, there's probably going to be servants in it too.
Rin will surely have some moderately important participation in the future of FGO, they would never stop taking advantage of using the characters from the original work for fanservice, nor would I be surprised if they make the Great Saber the original Saber, Shirou or both from when they are in Last Episode
Unless you spoke Japanese, you weren't pirating it in 2004, either. The oldest of the oldgay western TM enthusiast might've known about it through Tsukihime, though.
Tsukihime got its patch in 2006 or 7. I remember it because it was around the same time TBC came out and between playing and posting it was nuts.
I actually don't remember when I read Fate, though. I didn't read any of the partials, but I do remember the threads when the 'official' patch was done.
Unless you spoke Japanese, you weren't pirating it in 2004, either. The oldest of the oldgay western TM enthusiast might've known about it through Tsukihime, though.
Fate and TM were never niche. Melty Blood was very popular.
...So why is Muramasa such a skilled tailor, anyway? Like they never explain this shit. Shirou never showed off any talents like that so it couldn't have come from him. I don't think Susano-O is known for making clothes either. Did he get it from Hodr?
Archer is what happens if Shirou fails the Saber route and doesn't fall into any other route, resulting in him being alone and having no one to cook for.
idk man im just tired
Let them finish the remake of Tsukihime first god damn.
why would they? it's still modern compared to something like tsuki which badly needed one.
Its old as frick and shitty. They need to add new routes.
>F/SN remake but with Taiga route
Shut up and take my money
They should remake it for the PS4 and Switch like they are doing everything else.
They need to add Illia route with many hscenes and impregnation
>fsn got both a butchered and a full anime adaptation of every route besides Fate before an official release
>literal never evers got official releases before fsn
>tsukihime got remade and translated again before fsn got an official release
I have literally stopped caring about fate and will probably go play it again in 10 years before it gets an official release. What the frick is wrong with Nasu?
He's a jap, they hate everyone and themselves
stay night is still one of my favorite piece of fiction
>stay night is still one of my favorite piece of fiction
Why are FSN and Tsuki so beloved?
I don't think there's much reason to. Unlike Tsukihime which was a doujin soft title with limited distribution, Fate/stay night is a commercial retail product. On top of that, Fate/stay night is actually pretty important to a bunch of other shit, including Fate/Zero, Fate/EXTRA and Fate/Grand Order. To change and retcon it at this point would mean retconning all of that as well. The most I could see them doing is redraw all the art, but even that's a bit of push.
The most I could see happening is another adaptation of the Fate route with rewritten parts.
>On top of that, Fate/stay night is actually pretty important to a bunch of other shit, including Fate/Zero, Fate/EXTRA and Fate/Grand Order.
no it's not. Not a single one of those are canon to the others. Not even F/SN, F/Z, and F/HA.
Originally, a lot of stuff was supposed to be in the same timeline, but they gave up. Even F/SN and F/Z were made not canon to each other in TYPE-MOON Ace Vol. 10.
Not that anon, but even if they are not canon they are crazy popular, I doubt a remake that change stuff (and believe me, it will change stuff) would fly with those fans.
At least for this period, maybe in 10-15 years this will be different.
They also need to set it in modern times and just use the phones for only jokes.
At least with Tsukire I don't have any issue with them changing stuff. The original is still there and I still love it, but some of the changes are quite good, like Vlov instead of Nero (freeing him up to be used better later), and Ciel having an actual route even if if it still doesn't seem to star her much and is too much Roa mind control wank.
Well, the original is still there for pirates, but Type-Moon has not made any effort in re-releasing the original since 2003 (and second hand retail costs quite a bit), not even digital only. Which sure it doesn't affect us because we read it via piracy, but you know it is sort a coward move by them.
Which is my problem with the remake, changes here and there are a matter of you know, opinion and so on, but I feel that with the Tsukihime Remake, T-M just wants to bury the original, which makes me sad because I love the original.
On the topic of the changes, I personally don't like Vlov (because he is boring), I do like the Ciel route, for example I found the flashback scene, but then I found the true end moronic and so over the top I felt I was reading Dies Irae. And I could go on an on about the stuff I did not like, and the stuff I like. But that is just my personal opinion and everyone has their own reason why they might like them or not.
But it all comes down to your first point, about the original being there, I feel that T-M doesn't want the original to be there, that is why, I feel that the point for "the original is still there" sort of doesn't apply here, when the Remake aims to erase the original I just can't helpt but feel conflicted, because I love so much the original.
It was always rare, overpriced, and impossible to get. This didn't really change anything, and remake probably isn't getting its own Kagetsu Tohya.
Anon, Type-Moon canre-relase it. Fate had 6 re-releases.
Other companies re-release their stuff, even if it is only digital.
Saying that it was always rare, overpriced and impossible to get, doesn't justify T-M trying to erase the original.
I do not see is as embarrassing, neither would most OG T-M fans, Tsukihime is an important VN, with its defects and with its peculiarities. It is true that Nasu sees Tsukihime as something imperfect, and? That does not change the fact that Tsukihime has integrity as an standalone piece, and Nasu and T-M have been making efforts to erase the original release. Say it because of shame, say it because now he is better. I still feel that it is dirty. I love the original, and maybe you do as well. You might prefer the remake, or maybe you do not. But I think that the original has the right to exist and be remembered as the impactful VN it was.
Yup, this is why most people that buy the remake do not care about the original. And will gulp up anything without a critical mind. (Not saying that every Remake fan is a sheep, just that most people do not care.)
It's embarrassing to Nasu, that's the whole point. It doesn't matter what YOU think. Writers and creator types typically prioritize their own feelings over that of their fans. Narcissism is rampant in the profession.
Well yeah, what I think does not matter, and? That does not change the fact that it is something dirty and amoral to do. Not caring about the integrity of their own work.
I do agree about the narcissist part, Nasu is a Nasucissit (he, he).
"Dirty and amoral" is subjective here. In the grand scheme of things, this isn't really that big of a deal. You're just upset because someone else doesn't share your personal made up standards and looking down at them as if you're some sort of arbiter of integrity. So you're no less of a narcissist here.
It is dirty and amoral. If you want to like the Tsukihime Remake, go and enjoy it there is nothing wrong with it. But do not pretend that what Nasu and T-M is doing is not dirty and amoral. Do not shift the blame to fans of the original via projection, it is sad.
And yes, I am upset, upset because I love VNs as a medium and I feel that the integrity of the medium is being attacked. And yes, I do have personal standards, it is called having values and principles. And if you want to say that I am trying to be an arbiter of integrity, say what you want, I do not care. Call me a narcissist I do not care. I love this medium, and I will complain about what I want to complain.
And if you do not find this to be a big deal, then spend you time doing other things, read other VNs or play other games.
I'm sorry, but I can't relate to your autism here. You're attributing "morality" to remaking an indie Comiket VN. Do what you want, but your entire viewpoint is bizarre to me.
Then no problem, everyone has their own viewpoint and opinion.
Well think of it from Nasu's perspective. The original Tsukihime was made on a shoestring budget by two dudes in an apartment and Kohaku's route was written up in like two weeks. You may not remember this but Nasu regularly shat on Tsukihime fairly consistently, bringing up errors and issues and weird shit. It'd be pretty fricking embarrassing to actually sell the original indie VN alongside Fate/stay night Realta Nua and Fate/EXTRA. You might say it has soul, but soul is generally only something that can be seen by fans. The original creators tend to have a hard time seeing that "soul" in their own works. Imperfections are imperfections and to Nasu, Tsukihime is probably literally nothing BUT imperfections. The unfortunate thing about Tsukihime is that at the end of the day, it was a self-published doujin-soft game sold on a floppy disk. Nasu will probably never feel bad about hanging it out to dry and I doubt Takeuchi objects to it being buried either. There's a reason he completely stopped coloring his own art after Tsukihime. Koyama has been coloring everything since Kagetsu Tohya.
>t'd be pretty fricking embarrassing to actually sell the original indie VN alongside Fate/stay night Realta Nua and Fate/EXTRA
I love the original but I wonder if this arm haunts Takeuchi in his sleep
Plus, if you actually think about it, I doubt THAT many people actually played the original Tsukihime anyway. The original game had an extremely limited run and the Tsuki-Bako package wasn't much better in that regard. Even if you factor in piracy, how many people do you think were actually exposed to the original Tsukihime? I'm sure that from our perspective Tsukihime might seem to be a bigger deal than it actually was, but you have to remember that Ganker, Ganker and /jp/ aren't really accurate embodiments of the majority. Everyone here are a bunch of obsessive nerds who pirate shit as a matter of course, but that's not how the vast majority of the human race tends to do things.
Fate/Zero had to be made into a "slightly altered parallel world" because of the inconsistencies. Basically, Nasu's excuse for why a bunch of details in Fate/Zero don't add up what what Fate/stay night said about them was "lol it's a parallel world". The long and short of the Fourth Grail War more or less happened as depicted, just pretend that the parts that don't match up actually do in Fate/stay night's "true" history. Some of the issues in regards to continuity between the two stories are pretty damn egregious and hard to handwave so I guess Nasu felt the need to say that shit. It's not as if Fate/Zero didn't happen. It DID happen, it's just that some things happened differently.
Fate/Grand Order references Fate/stay night fricking constantly. It's a parallel world, yes, but Fate/stay night is still relevant to Fate/Grand Order.
not sure it's all that relevant since a literally who Donut Steal won the 2004 Fuyuki Grail War in GO. Frick phone games, btw.
If they remake it, it will probably piss off OG fate fans.
Because the approach of T-M when it comes to remakes is to just remake stuff with the perspective of their current fans, and despite Fate being the flagship franchise of T-M, Fate back in the day and Fate nowadays are way too different in tone for the two to mix.
They need to remake it to fix the series powercreep. I want to see the staynight servants blowing cities apart.
From Nasu's perspective, rewriting Tsukihime probably isn't all that different from rewriting his original unfinished high school "Fate" novel with a male Saber and turning it into Fate/stay night. The obvious difference is that Tsukihime was actually published while the original Fate wasn't, and since no one's ever read the original Fate it's hard to actually complain about the changes. But I don't really think Nasu cares. From his perspective, the original Tsukihime probably isn't in a much better position from the original Fate, and he probably feels no guilt about retconning all of it.
Unless the last three routes really drop the ball I don't think the remake is doing any disservices to the original thus far.
Are the kara no kyoukai movies actually good? People say they are "better" then fate but I just took that as contrarianism
It's just shitflinging. Kara no Kyoukai is closer to the Tsukihime side of things than the Fate side, and there was always a rivalry between Fategays and Tsukigays.
>and there was always a rivalry between Fategays and Tsukigays.
Where? Not on old Ganker, that's for sure. Mirror Moon threads used to be comfy as FRICK back in the day.
Rose-tinted glasses. Shitflinging was always prevalent in regards to Type-Moon. If HFgays and UBWgays can't stop fricking shitting on each other, what the frick makes you think that Tsukigays and Fategays were all buddy-buddy? People can't stand the fact that anything other than what they prefer exists and so they shit on each other over it. You may not remember it but it was there. TMgays have ALWAYS been the pettiest, most moronic-ass aggressive ape motherfrickers ever and that hasn't changed in fifteen years.
It's peak nasu selfwank
They're pretty with great music. I honestly don't remember that much about them, don't watch them expecting action. They are a bunch of endless talking and solving some mysteries over pretty backgrounds.
No and I pity anyone that still cares about this shit franchise. They are going to keep milking FGO till the whales die off.
Read the UBW manga.
This art is so much better than the original Fate/stay night manga adaptation. Like holy shit that artist was fricking awful. It's a bit weird because their art wasn't THAT bad in the earlier chapters. Like it wasn't particularly good but his art style just kept declining as he went on.
Yea its drawn by Moriyama Daisuke so its bound to be good.
Love me UBW.
The route
The movie
The anime
The manga
Simple as.
>>The movie
the second and third movie were utter dogshit tho
There ain't no second or third UBW movie. There's just the one shitty one, lmao. Still love it though. Was terrible when it was the only UBW people could experience besides reading the VN, but now? It's a route speedrun with some flashy fights.
I have 2 Fate games on PS4 that I never touched. Fate Extella and another game. Can someone give me a qrd on what they are?
now when you don't say what the second game even is
I'd much rather have them port their shit to PC. Fate/Stay Night remains for all intents and purposes impossible to legally play, even if you spoke Japanese.
Type-Moon hates Steam for some reason. I don't know why.
FGO usa anniversary is in a week, last year they announced Mahoyo localization so what's the chance they announce Staynight localization this time?
Mahoyo flopped so I doubt we're getting any more localizations
Did it? I almost bought a Japanese LE secondhand, time to go digital and shill.
I bought the LE... still haven't played it though.
Literally every interested weeb already read it
Just bring fate ccc
Nasu took forever for the first part of Tsukihime. I can see a rerelease, but not a remake.
I must be missing something because I genuinely have no idea why Fate is so popular outside of cooming.
I thought the same, then actually played the VN earlier this year and it turns out it's actually got really cool world building, an interesting cast and the overarching plot ain't too bad even if shounen-tier. A lot of what you hear about fate actually comes from FGO, at least in my case. I always saw it as some soulless gacha with waifus that climb all over your dick, and because you can't really explain Fate's lore neatly, every Fate fan that tried to explore the world to me just put me off it harder, it all sounded like schizo drivel.
The VN does have extremely cringe sex scenes but assuming you're playing with the Ultimate patch you can just turn those off.
Only if they add a caster, rider and illya route.
Kinda feel like a Caster route would be kinda awkward given that she's, you know, deeply in love with another dude. Rider too because I can't actually picture her betraying Sakura like that. It just doesn't work.
I always felt like labelling routes based on which girl gets banged was inherently silly. Fate is Saber's Story, UBW is Archer's Story, HF is Shirou's and Sakura's story. Rin is a dueteragonist in each route.
Unironically who gives a frick? They'll just add shitty fgo donutsteel OCs, add mash and gudao or some garbage, then butcher everyone into a saber face with heaven's feel removed for 60 bucks on console only.
I wish the Type Moon fanbase was more fun. I really love FSN but talking about it always just amounts to arguing, and a lot of (angry) autism. Banning Sakura Fish was unironically a terrible thing.
Steins;Gate>Tsukihime>Fate
but Type Moon>>>>>> Sci;Adv
How is Steins;Gate in any way relevant here? It's not even made by the same company.
you need to be reminded who your master is, phonegay.
Even if you're just bringing up a random better VN you have better options.
damn that's some GOOD ass bait
It's kinda funny to me how Ryukishi07's ego has gone completely off the rails nowadays.
GouSotsu is the worst anime I've ever seen.
>lol watch more anime!
Seen plenty. Sotsu is the worst. I say that with unwavering confidence.
It's funny because it's not like Nasu didn't make a shitty show. He wrote Last Encore. But when that show failed, he didn't defend himself. He just went "Welp, I fricked up. But it was fun so I don't regret it."
>But when that show failed, he didn't defend himself. He just went "Welp, I fricked up. But it was fun so I don't regret it."
What are you talking about? He b***hed that no one understood his masterpiece and people who didn't like it just needed to rewatch and think about it a little harder to understand how great it was.
He's always been a little salty that EXTRA doesn't get the love he thinks it deserves because it's his baby.
didn't he write a whole novel's worth of material for it or something? I'm fuzzy on the details
I've never liked Extra's aesthetic. The weird sci-fi vibe, with the rock-paper-scissors fighting, and knockoff Persona life-sim elements. It feels like it's very personal to him, which is great, but you're already mixing "historical figures fighting each other." Why are you making it all techno, and futuristic?
Because Nasu likes sci-fi and he wanted to make a sci-fi Fate thing. It was always a passion project for him.
Yeah, I get it. But if he's frustrated why others 'don't get it... I'm sure he's wiping his tears in his lambo, though.
I don't think Fate/EXTRA did poorly, and Fate/Extella probably did okay too for what it was. The problem is Last Encore specifically. Last Encore is basically what happens when Takeuchi isn't around to act as Nasu's tard wrangler.
>He wrote Last Encore.
oh god
the PSP games and the first musou (not the latest one with the shittier story) made me a huge Nerogay and even I had no fricking clue what the frick that shit was.
I literally can't recall anything about it other than "it was bad". My brain just decided to save the energy rather than store any memories of it.
I'm trying to think what a Fate Sotsu would actually be like and it's hard.
It would be like if it were a sequel to say HF, Shirou discovers Sakura still has some kind of deep seated resentment. But Sakura is too far gone and she starts killing everyone like Rin and Medusa in gratuitous and ridiculously sadistic ways. Like think Ilya's brutal death but Gil played around with the body for 10 minutes. In fact resurect Ilya then kill her again. Then Shirou and Sakura have an emotional fight on the riverbed where Shirou says it's all good I'm still your seigi no mikata, Zelritch comes out of nowhere and resets the timeline and wipes everyone's memory of it. Two seasons of that, about 12 episodes of which are recaps from Sakura's pov.
that sounds hilarious. I didn't watch the Higu animes because I didn't care for it much by the end, although I did finish it all
It wasn't very hilarious to me, but I'm too invested in Higurashi I guess.
On another note when it happened people were coping about the manga being different and saving the story. Well it took a year but it suddenly might be possible.
>I'm too invested in Higurashi I guess.
Is it true that gou is basically an adapttion of the VN? For example i'm reading chapter 2 where they break into the shrine and feel like i've already read it. Also everyone says the original VN has a terrible ending.
What, are you saying you watched Gou then are now reading the original? Gou chapters are the same setting as the VN, but some conditions are different. Different things happen, and it's a sequel because of certain magical reasons.
For what it's worth I loved the ending. It was really fricking stupid at many moments, but it had soul. Ryu had a vision of a story and he wanted to tell it passionately. The overall mystery is solved with the seventh chapter that most people love. The final one is about explaining motives and concluding things.
>Is it true that gou is basically an adapttion of the VN
not at all, it's just that it reuses the general framework of the original story. it's a sequel initially disguised as a "remake", but turned out to be garbage.
You will see surface level comparisons to the VN's first few chapters(like the shrine stuff in ch.2), but the meat of the story is not the same.
>it's a sequel initially disguised as a "remake", but turned out to be garbage.
ahhh just like 7R
Sotsu isn't even "so bad it's good," because literally 10 episodes of it are pointless recaps that hammer in information you could summarize in one. "Satoko did it." No matter how insane and nonsensical it possibly could be, "Satoko did it." She is the root of everything evil happening to everyone.
And it's not one of those things where people can call you a "speedwatcher," and say "you just didn't get it." It's genuinely atrocious.
>DUDE NOTHING HAPPENS FOR 80 HOURS
bravo
Chaos;Child > Steins;Gate
But the two are pretty good, but C;C has that Nono route that hits just right.
?? They haven't even finished Tsukihime remake and Mahoyo 2 still hasn't been announced. I hate Nasu so much it's unreal
They're not gonna announce a Fate/stay night remake, keep your thong on. Besides what do you expect him to do, write three more VNs within two years?
Extra Remake - 2024
Stay Night remake - 2026
TsukiRe 2 - 2030
New IP - 2034
Mahoyo 2 - 2038
YOU RIKE?
frick no, nasu is lucas-tier in """modernizing""" his older works
They should probably finish the Tsukihime remake before even considering a Fate remake.
Have you guys heard about Tsukihime Rebuild? I think it's kinda cool
SHIIIIIIIIKKKKIIIIIII
DID YOU LEAVE THE TOILET SEAT UP AGAAAAAAAAAAIN
Nah. If anything they'll do a localisation of the original since it never really got a proper launch in the US.
>Rub-a-dub-dub, thanks for the grub, Shriou Dude!
As much as you shitpost this, Type-Moon's localisations outside of F/GO (which is more of a joke than anything else) are fine. Fate is one of those series that'll have even Japanese players struggle to figure out what Nasu meant by a term. There was this one Siegfried/Einzbern related thing that didn't get cleared up till F/GO or Apocrypha.
Well, it certainly will not be the next Nukitashi at least
>There was this one Siegfried/Einzbern related thing that didn't get cleared up till F/GO or Apocrypha.
This was because mirrormoon fricked up translating Rheingold, not because Nasu was confusing.
The Fate translation scene, both official and fan, is really mediocre.
I mean in fairness, you probably wouldn't know what Das Rheingold is unless you were specifically familiar with the Nibelung Saga. Though I guess it's still on Mirror Moon since they couldn't even be bothered to look up what ラインゴールド was referring to.
Shit your right, it's insane how the first type moon vn to ever get officially translated was Mahoyo
It's the shortest Type-Moon VN so it's the easiest and cheapest to do. It does make sense.
Portuguese women look like THAT?
2014 was the peak year of Type Moon. Especially in the west.
>HA translation released
>UBW anime premiered with HF movies announced
>2wei airing
>All this before FGO blew up the original core of the franchise
>All this before FGO blew up the original core of the franchise
QRD? Why does FGO get so much hate?
Only played FSN/FHA.
It's like being a fan of Warcraft before WoW, if that makes any sense.
If you consider GOtards part of the fanbase, then the overwhelming majority of the fanbase is GOtards. They started with GO, and either haven't touched anything else, or only anime adaptations. As a result, the existence of GO negatively affects all TM discussion online. Furthermore, FGO is dramatically worse than everything that came before it. The worst part, however, is the popularity of FGO (out of universe) and its dimension-hopping multiverse shit (in-universe) means that it's inescapable. It plunders and defiles the good things Nasu did before, as he rewrites and redefines his universe to suit the bad ideas and boring powerwank of his worst work. DDD is Nasu at his best, FGO is like the opposite of DDD.
>good things Nasu did before
LOL. GOchads ARE the fanbase. Everything that "came before" has become secondary (for good reason given how shit it is). Just be glad that we're not stuck with the old Nasu trash. It was a terribly trite and lacking series until we got GO.
Will I get raped by nintendo if I buy a Tsuki:Re cartridge, patch it with the translation on my computer?
I feel like Takeuchi's drawings are mostly fine, it's just that his faces look like shit
>Mario looks just like a mad Saber
it makes me laugh every time
His faces aren't bad. I think he has the most varied facial expressions out of all of Type-Moon's mainstays.
Are you really a Tsukihimegay if the 10 songs that the entire vn has aren't playing in your head 24/7?I'm going insane
>I'm alt-tabbed over to my other monitor and the Mansion BGM has been playing for 10 minutes now
timely comment
Why would they remake it when it holds up perfectly well. Finish TsukiR and Mahoyo and then do some new shit.
WORMSISTERS WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR ART?
Let's hope not. Nasu is a hack who will try to rewrite it.
just do a re-release on consoles and pc, officially localise it
its fine as it is, especially the art, takeuchi has gone downhill since
remaking VNs is fricking moronic.
its like redoing the first book of harry potter, changing shit at random and slapping in new chapters as dlc.
It's honestly disturbing fate fans want remakes of what is essentially art from a certain time period.
Harry Potter doesn't have a visual or audio component.
I think people just want more with the story, and these characters, cause they're incredibly endeared to it. It's a monkey's paw.
I remember though like, the freakout with the epilogue episode of UBW. We actually got to SEE post-route content. See London, and that was a big fricking deal.
I remember watching that air live, people's reactions were crazy when everyone realized it was a real epilogue. Sadly the closest we'll ever get to a UBW sequel, but definitely a good thing that Nasu contributed so much to that anime adaptation.
>I remember watching that air live, people's reactions were crazy when everyone realized it was a real epilogue. Sadly the closest we'll ever get to a UBW sequel, but definitely a good thing that Nasu contributed so much to that anime adaptation.
Primaries hated ufotable's adaptions. VNgays are never happy.
>Primaries hated ufotable's adaptions.
I have some issues with the adapations but I liked them enough to import the blu-rays. Some things are worse, but a lot of things are just as good as the game or better.
One changed scene that sticks out in my mind from the HF adaptation is when Sakura laments about how she's killed people, and when asks Shirou if he's telling her to live after all that, instead of being calmly stern with her like in the VN he just snaps at her like YES DAMMIT.
I liked that change.
Honestly I feel like part of the rate is just an extension of route and/or waifu wars. That's why it's so hard for people to have an honest discussion in this fandom. Are you being genuine in your criticism, or are you just trying to piss someone off who doesn't support "Best Girl"?
Maybe the lines are so blurred, that the answer is both, cause there's this weird thing with FSN, where you read a literal million word novel, and go, "yeah, personally? I only liked 1/3rd of it."
>Honestly I feel like part of the rate is just an extension of route and/or waifu wars. That's why it's so hard for people to have an honest discussion in this fandom. Are you being genuine in your criticism, or are you just trying to piss someone off who doesn't support "Best Girl"?
>Maybe the lines are so blurred, that the answer is both, cause there's this weird thing with FSN, where you read a literal million word novel, and go, "yeah, personally? I only liked 1/3rd of it."
UBW vs HF wars have been going on since 2004. Zero vs UBW wars have been going on since 2014.
Yeah, and that shit extends to even back then. Personally, I don't think the DEEN 2006 adaptation is the worst thing ever, but people shat on it a lot, not just because it had jank animation, and some odd choices, but because the other routes weren't being told, and it comes down partially to fear that others, outside the core fandom, would never experience more, and only think it's the Fate route.
I've even softened on the UBW movie, cause Christ, now UBW's been adapted into every medium except as a light novel.
>I've even softened on the UBW movie, cause Christ, now UBW's been adapted into every medium except as a light novel.
UBW has always been the most popular route.
>Q: In the first month of 2004 Fate went on sale. What was the reaction to it like?
>Takeuchi: They seemed to really like it, which made us very happy.
>Nasu: It was a title we believed in, so seeing it sell well gave us a lot of confidence. The reactions to it were both good and, in some cases, a little hollow. It was a victory that was both satisfying and hollow.
>Takeuchi: He's speaking of the Sakura route. A lot of people were disatisfied with it. Hence, the hollow feeling.
>Nasu: Yes, although recently more people are warming up to it. When it first came out, people were so excited and pleased by the Saber and Rin routes that they expected to keep proceeding down the royal road. The Sakura route is not like that at all, and they had trouble accepting that when it first appeared. We learned a lot from that experience.
>映像を信じていない、映像を見せられると自分の矛盾やウソを突きつけられると語ったきのこに『俺の文章はこ ういう絵に出来るのか』と思わせたhf……本当にすごいと改めて思った…
>At first, Nasu didn't believe HF could make for a good movie, and that seeing it animated would just expose his lies and inconsistencies, but seeing Sudou's adaptation amazed him and made him think "So my writing can be be turned into art like this?".
>これが先に出来ていたらCCCは無かったと言わしめる
>According to Nasu, if the HF movies had come out first, he would never have made CCC.
Nasu EXPLICITLY wants you to symphatize with Sakura, that's the whole reason he made CCC.
Yeah, cool. I do like me some UBW lots. I like FSN in general. Breaks my heart that I absolutely fricking hate FGO as a game. I had to leave this franchise behind because I didn't want to play a mobile game that bored me to tears.
I can't really see Nurse Sakura/B.B. and Sakura as the same person so I'm not sure if that really worked. I don't dislike Sakura or anything, but I like B.B. way more.
>I remember though like, the freakout with the epilogue episode of UBW. We actually got to SEE post-route content. See London, and that was a big fricking deal.
Nasu heavily supervised and wrote the anime scripts for the UBW anime and plenty of his scenes were on the cutting room floor
>Nasu: Exactly. Old Me would have fearlessly spelled out the theme. I thought "Ah, this is definitely going to transfix the people tuned to this channel." But with this adaptation, we're trying to take the original game's copious amounts of dialog and revise them into a form that will convey the same meaning in the allotted length and can be depicted well visually. I think that's what they were careful about in this adaptation. I can't remember what I was feeling as I was writing 10 years ago, but I remember to this day what it was that I wanted to write. That's why I'm explaining to the anime staff, "In this scene, this line here is key, so trim down the rest and highlight this part."
>Miura: At the outset, Mr. Nasu told us, "I want you to never let Shirou smile." I sometimes thought that was flat-out impossible. But the thing is, Shirou is that sharply defined a person inside Mr. Nasu's head.
>Nasu: The first script that ufotable brought to me had a lot of sentences lifted from the original game, but since we'd just end up replicating those scenes, I realized that I had to retool it for the anime. But when I rewrote it myself, it was just cool, and not compelling at all. So when I re-read the original game, it was totally grim. That's when I realized that that was the essence of UBW, and the lines that took 30 minutes for the characters to utter in-game, I cut down to five. But I had no idea how it would be brought to the screen, so in my head I was thinking "Sorry, Mr Miura," but it turned out to be a wonderful film, and personally, I'm overjoyed.
Shirou dreams about being in a wasteland wondering whether to keep going or take a different path. Wakes up in his apartment, goes over to Rin's place and starts makes her breakfast. He opens the curtains revealing it's London. They have breakfast, talk about what they're going to do that day etc etc. Shirou starts to tell her about how he got the invite from the association but stops, Rin notices that he's worried about something but doesn't say anything
They go out and head to the clock tower. Shirou stares at a nondescript random student while wondering if he's out of place being there. There's a conversation about how Shirou has to protect himself from people who don't like him and might gandr him or something and he's like "like you?" and Rin gets flustered and causes a scene.
Rin mentions her first class is self-defense, cut to the Luvia fight. It ends in a tie, they set aside their differences and shake hands honourably until they both reveal that they thought they were the winner.
Then they have lunch and Luvia insists on coming along since she was the one who got them the apartments anyway. Luvia reminisces about how she first met Shirou (he saved her from assassins with kanshou in one hand and a bag of groceries in the other). She wonders if he's worried about something but he brushes it off and goes to put away the dishes. When he leaves Luvia pesters Rin about overworking him but she says she's not (also mentions he does butler stuff for Luvia twice a week), it's because he got a letter from the Association telling him what his colour is, basically meaning he can enroll. Luvia's happy (bc they can get closer) and thinks Rin should be too, Rin's not so sure
Case Files implied it continues from Unlimited Blade Works aka Rin route but it's not confirmed yet
>Fate fans want
It's not Fate fans, it's GOtards wanting an easier entry.
The original FSN VM is pretty rough. It comes from an era of full screen of text overlayed on top of the imagery. A remake could move text into a bottom frame, and improve the art/audio.
But I also think if they release an English version, the web version would be shut down.
>The original FSN VM is pretty rough. It comes from an era of full screen of text overlayed on top of the imagery. A remake could move text into a bottom frame, and improve the art/audio.
Bad taste and moronic. Wait until you learn that NVL is alive and well.
no just more fgo shit
S;G is the better VN, if anything they should be remaking that.
Didn't they already do a version of Steins;Gate that was fully animated, and weird? Like, a CYOA game type thing.
Elite, and they just chopped up the anime. It's also the worst way to read Steins;Gate and complete garbage.
Yes Elite. The game needs a better remake and Steins;Gate is more deserving of one than FSN is.
>steins gay
Literally a bankrupted company
They never went bankrupt, though?
Sold to a phone company because Chiyomaru is a moronic hack, but never bankrupt
Still better creative output than anything Type Moon has made.
>Will they remake it for its 20th anniversary next year?
Nasu still doesn't know how he would ruin it yet.
Takeuchi will give shirou a kamen rider jacket
I wish Fate route would be remade with better romance, but consider how fricking low Takeuchi has fallen as an artist, I don't think remake is possible.
Someone post the Rin CG from the picnic. You know the one.
Still looks billions of times better than everything Nu Takeuchi has drawn combined.
The og still looks good, I don't want Hackeuchi to redraw it with his templateshit. That's the definition of soul/soulless.
I wish they would work with Atlus and make some sort of Fate x SMT/Persona crossover like Fire Emblem got.
They really should do an all ages Switch port of the original VN, even though I'd prefer a PC version with animated sex scenes
>make some sort of Fate x SMT/Persona crossover like Fire Emblem got.
>he wants Fate idolshit
oh God no
It doesn't have to be idolshit. Just have masters team together to solve some sort of demon problem. Different characters can have different heroic spirits of their character class, etc.
Among VN makers, who has degraded their legacy most and least? In your eyes or generally. I'll always be pissed off about OVERDRIVE, but Type-Moon takes the cake. Are any VN studios just consistently good, has every fanbase got grief by now?
The thing is when Type-Moon choose to actually make VNs like Mahoyo and TsukiR they're still the best around,when it comes to visuals and directing and arguably writing. They've stained their legacy by continuing to milk Fate with gachashit instead of sticking to what they do best unfortunately.
>Are any VN studios just consistently good,
lol no, few of the studios who made all the big classics have continued to make VNs and most of their quality has gone down the drain.
A company can't sustain itself off of one guy's VNs forever. Plus Nasu was dying to break into the video games market somehow and after EXTRA just kinda fizzled out (which wasn't helped by the company who made the games going bankrupt), mobile was just the easiest way in. And then after the complete shit first year the game blew the frick up which allowed Type-Moon to open its own game studio which Nasu named after his beloved waifu B.B.
The prospect of studio BB is great and all but unfortunately they still haven't managed to put out even one game yet (which is just a remake anyway) and from what I've heard they were pulled in to help with FGO, which just tells me their priorities still lie in gacha trash.
FGO is their only consistent product. Type-Moon's product releases are hilariously inconsistent so the fact that they have a game that that consistently draw in revenue is probably the only reason the company's keeping afloat anymore. This is the issue with being almost entirely on a single writer's output for most of the major products.
I've never heard anyone describe F/GO as "consistent". The quality warps up and down, usually when Higashide and Sakurai get their filthy hands on a chapter.
Pretty sure he meant from a financial standpoint.
Consistent in terms of time. Consistent month-to-month revenue. TM isn't exactly known for reliable release schedules, Tsukihime Remake came off the back of, what, 15(?) years of waiting and only has 1/3 of the routes.
>This is the issue with being almost entirely on a single writer's output
Would be less of a problem if Nasu wasn't such a lazy bastard in the first place. How long was he pretending to be working on shit like Girl's Work? How much of his work isn't based on something he wrote in high school/university? The guy that writes Index churns out like 10 LN volumes a year, Nasu can go 10 years doing frick all.
What? Girls Work was never Nasu's project. He was just an executive producer. After Fate/stay night, he worked on Fate/hollow ataraxia. Then he was involved in DEEN's Fate adaptation. Later on he'd work on Fate/EXTRA. Then he did the stupid and announced multiple projects simultaneously, even though he's the main writer on two of them. Between everything he was involved in every animated adaptation of his works, Fate/EXTRA CCC, Fate/Extella and then Fate/Grand Order. It's not as if he was doing nothing.
But the thing is he's one guy, and writing projects typically take a long time. Most novelists can take years to churn out a single novel, and it's not as if Nasu's works tend to be all that short. If FGO didn't exist, yeah, maybe the remake and Mahoyo wouldn't have taken as long, but they still would have taken years. Years of a company making almost no revenue because they're not releasing anything new. This is why most dedicated VN companies tend to have multiple writers on staff, and sometimes even have multiple writers work on a single VN. But that's not what Tsukihime or Mahoyo were. This is the entire reason that Higashide and Sakurai were hired in the first place, and while Fate/Apocrypha was actually successful even if not everyone here liked it, it still didn't really hold a candle to Fate/stay night. Nasu is consistently the company's golden goose, but it takes him a while to lay eggs.
Even if Nasu is meeting with guys on any of those projects once a month it's a stupidly high time investment too when you think about it. That probably slows down a lot of the stuff that people want, the writing time needed just isn't there.
Personally, while I do feel it'd be nice not having to wait a decade between visual novels releases, after TsukiR knowing it'll actually come out at some point and be of high quality makes the wait bearable.
I think being drip-fed Prisma Illya chapters would be bother me more, but it's not like I keep up with author's personal life or anything either so I don't know what's going on there.
Hopefully the pace picks up a bit now that Part 2 of FGO's over. Plus, most of the storyboarding and shit for both TsukiR and Mahoyo should have been long-completed so maybe that'll speed things up as well? I mean who the frick knows with his fricker.
In regards to Prisma, I think the author's health's been in decline or something so he hasn't been able to keep up with the release schedule.
Why does he have to be the anime Steven King? If I had as much money as him I would do the same, do what I want when I want if I want
>they're still the best around,when it comes to visuals and directing
This is true, but this is based on them having a lot of money, if you compare it to other VN companies, there are companies that create works that get pretty close to T-M stuff with just a fraction of the budget. Light, Makura, Nitro+.
>and arguably writing
This is not true, even back in 2012 when Mahoyo came out (And Mahoyo being Nasu's best written work) it was already beaten with works such as KKK, WE, FMDM, MLA...
KKK? WE? FMDM? What VNs are those?
>KKK
https://vndb.org/v5844
>WE
https://vndb.org/v3144
>FMDM
https://vndb.org/v2016
All of them are pretty good, I rec them.
>WE
>FMDM
>MLA
LAHMAO
none of them are better than even the worst nasu work
Let correct you,
All of them are better that Nasu's best work. (And this is not implying that Nasu's best work, Mahoyo is shit, this just implies that those VNs are just so great)
If you don't believe me, go read them.
Why did Mahoyo flop?
It's a prologue to a story that never got finished
High production costs and being released in an era when VNs on the PC were going out of fashion probably. TsukiR hasn't gotten a PC release yet for similar reasons.
Also it's incomplete and we'll probably never see the second and third parts anytime soon.
Still sold well but considering how FGO blew up it makes sense.
It hasn't gotten a PC release because trying to sell PC games via physical CD is becoming an ever-uphill battle even in Japan these days, and TYPE-MOON still refuses to jump on the Steam train.
That and piracy fears I guess. Japanese devs are always paranoid about that. Reading Mahoyo or TsukiR on the Switch/PS4 has to be awkward to do though.
Our best bet sadly but a tonne could get lost if we take the HF movies as an example.
>TsukiR on the Switch/PS4 has to be awkward to do though
if they're worried about piracy but putting shit on the Switch, boy do I have bad news for them kek
TsukiR's assets were wasted on the Switch anyway
I remember that, doesn't hurt that the PS2 was a monster sales wise either. Half a dozen studios made similar ports to the console in the 00s.
Japan's pretty used to reading VNs on consoles. I mean there was a solid number of years where the only way you could play Realta Nua was on a PS2.
I would say maybe the anime movies could just finish the story but Nasu's last crack at anime original plot was LE and we all know how that went.
It's a bit of a mystery to make that these Fate/Tsukihime remakes happen at all.
They can pay some artist $50 to make a new JPEG and generate $500,000 from it with a gacha, so why do they do anything else? Is it an attempt to bring more people into the gacha?
I don't accept it being a passion project because obviously nothing in Fate has been related to passion in at least a decade.
Why does Nasu hate pajeets so much?
Even if they did remake it it would be a downgrade in some facet.
I love Takeuchi as an artist and the slander he gets these days is ridiculous, but there is something about his early CGs that just capture an energy that his recent stuff doesnt. I can't imagine any new drawings he could do comparing to some of the old ones.
I think the Tsukihime remake's stuff's decent. Takeuchi's strengths were three things: character design, facial expressions and setpieces. Tsukihime remake in many respects feels like an evolution of Fate/stay night. Problem is he doesn't actually get to do this kind of work all that often because Fate/Grand Order doesn't really make heavy usage of event CGs, and even when there ARE event CGs, he's not the only artist on staff and they're often done by other people where it's relevant.
Still, what FGO DOES let Takeuchi flex is facial expressions. I honestly think he's improved in this regard since F/sn.
Yeah, he's gotten way better at character stuff for sure, even if I am nostalgic for the old designs.
I think the issue I have with takeuchi's stuff is the same issue I have with ufotable's fate stuff as well. Usually it is a direct upgrade and looks really fricking good, but getting better at art often means that you feel the need to overdo things as well. I liked the simplicity of a lot of the shit in the VN, where fights felt more like desperate scraps compared to two gods hurling themselves at each other. I think if Takeuchi was to redo fsn itd lean more towards the latter then the former, which is something I noticed in Tsukihime R as well.
Thing is I think that was less a personal choice on his part and just a limitation of his skills back then. Takeuchi was a manga man. His inspirations were shit like Trigun. If he had the capability to make things more dynamic, I think he would have done so gladly. Stuff like that's kind of his passion.
Still, I don't think he's entirely overdoing it. I think he just wants to convey as much of the emotions that Nasu writes into his characters as possible. Did you know that Castria alone has a hundred different facial expressions? It may not seem like much since all he's doing is just pasting different faces on the same body over and over, but that's still kinda crazy. You may think that's excessive, and I'm not gonna lie, I'm not really sure he'd bother going that far if it were any other character, and technically some of those expressions seem to have been reserved just for Aesc, but it's really something. It's not just her, Mash's expression sheet's doubled in length too.
Yes.
Leave Fate and UBW mostly unchanged, redo the art and scrap HF completely and make seperate Sakura and Illya route. Make Last Episode a part of Fate route's true ending and make Sakura route the last one to unlock so that I don't have to play that shit.
Frankly I'd just be satisfied if they actually ported stay night and hollow ataraxia to something other than iOS/Android and the fricking Vita.
Though an Illya route would be nice too.
Finished Ciel route today bros.
Final fight was a bit too much but damn I love Noel.
Here's hoping gacha doesn't fill another decade of Nasu's time and he can get far side and Mahoyo 2 out.
If there is a remake, the following changes need to be made
>Remake Saber's route to better tell her story and romance with Shirou.
>Replace Rin as the heroine with Taiga
>Replace Sakura as heroine with Illya
>Replace Sakura as heroine with Illya
The original plan way two-part release. With only first part being named Fate/Stay Night. This part was supposed to include only Saber and Rin route. And essentially being "Near side" of Fate story. Second part had be released later under title "Fate/Other Night" and was supposed to include Sakura's and Illya's routes. At first Nasu wanted to make two separate VNs since Saber + Illya + Sakura + Rin routes would be too huge.
>Besides that, there was also the “Rider route where you fight against Rin and Saber,” and the “Caster route where Caster gets turned into a e-girl and becomes your partner.”
>While all traces of the Caster route were completely erased, the development where you teamed up with Rider was actually folded into part of the final story.
>If the Illya route had made it into the game, the diversion point probably would have been on the ninth day of the Sakura route. Instead of choosing between being a superhero and choosing Sakura, there would be a third choice where you could choose Illya.
Pretty much every plot-relevant character is a prism for Shirou. Shirou cares about others at the expense of looking after himself, Shinji for example is a complete inversion though in that he only cares about himself (his own self-actualization specifically) and not enough about the people surrounding him. Saber is an idolized version of Shirou having walked his path, Archer is the antithesis. Even Kuzuki is a reflection of Shirou in a sense - he's a survivor, chooses not to engage other Masters unless provoked, is an unrelated random npc that gets drafted into the HGW, and waifus his own Servant. A lot of these characters just serve to explore Shirou as a character in various contexts. What if Shirou becomes SEIGI NO MIKATA, what if he doesn't, what if he never had a fatherly figure, etc.
The prequel is FZ. The fandisk is FHA. Everything else is a spinoff.
Honestly, I don't think Fate/stay night at all needs a remake. Tjhough if a new edition of F/sn WERE made, I think at most it should be something akin of Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix+ where, rather than changing things, they just add things here and there. Realta Nua was actually already a bit like this. In reality, Realta Nua added more than just substitutes for sex scenes and Last Episode. It also added some new CG that wasn't present in the original Fate.
The problem is if you add new content to Fate/stay night now, you'd probably have to redraw the whole thing anyway. Having Takeuchi draw new art for the thing would clash too heavily with the rest of the existing CGs. So it might just be better to leave it be.
deen>
just the soundtrack alone puts it miles above ufoshit
Saber is Shirou's "soul mate", two impossibly compatible individuals separated by a length of time that makes it impossible for them to be together. Logically speaking, these two should never meet, but a twist of "Fate" allowed them to do so. Even if they should meet again, it is impossible for them to support one another. Saber had already endured her trials and their parting coincides with her victory over them, while Shirou's trials are only just beginning. Last Episode can only happen once both their trials are already complete, but until then, they cannot do anything for one another.
Rin is the partner of the "Ally of Justice". Of the three heroines, she is the only one capable of supporting Shirou should he choose to walk that path. She is his pillar, his rock, the one who can finally get him to smile despite the painful road he walks. He understands and accepts him, and though it might be difficult, she admires the life he chooses to live and as the only one able to support him, does so without hesitation. After all, Saber literally can't be with Shirou, while Sakura would be dead weight.
Sakura is an interesting situation. In order for Shirou to choose her, he must abandon his path as a SEIGI NO MIKATA. By all accounts, this is the default path that Shirou is destined to take. Like if you looked at every timeline in which Shirou participates in the Holy Grail War, he probably becomes a seigi no mikata like nine times out of ten or something. So the odds of Shirou getting together with Sakura seems fairly thin because it explicitly requires him to do something that he wouldn't ever do. Sakura is the opposite of Rin. If Rin is the only one who can support Shirou as an ally of justice, then Shirou is the only one who can support Sakura. I mean maybe Rider can, but Rider to Sakura is the same as Saber to Shirou in that it's a logically impossible meeting. She's a ghost from the distant past, normally they should never meet. Of course the ultimate irony here is that at the end of her route's True End, Sakura gets to keep both Shirou AND Rider, an ending that just isn't allowed to Saber.
>Rin is the partner of the "Ally of Justice". Of the three heroines, she is the only one capable of supporting Shirou should he choose to walk that path. She is his pillar, his rock, the one who can finally get him to smile despite the painful road he walks. He understands and accepts him, and though it might be difficult, she admires the life he chooses to live and as the only one able to support him, does so without hesitation. After all, Saber literally can't be with Shirou, while Sakura would be dead weight.
UBW is like an otome game where Rin as the protag has her own reverse harem of Shrou (main), Archer (alternate main), Lancer, Saber. The major villains are also those found in otome: Caster (a witch with her own tragic love story), Shinji (dude who wants to rape the protag), Kirei (protag's evil teacher), and Gilgamesh (evil counterpart of main hero and his alt)
>Takeuchi: I think Rin is a character who is all about potential. Maybe that's why I'm only truly appreciating her now. Saber felt so complete right from the start, and the poetic beauty of her pairing with Shirou only added to the perfection. In Rin's case, however, a lot of events and situations like that whole London deal kept bringing out new sides of her that we hadn't previously seen. She makes you think about what "potential" really means, in a variety of ways. For example, if we were to do a spin-off story for Saber that took place in the Knights of the Round Table era, we still wouldn't be able to disband or do without the pairing of Saber and Shirou. That combination is just so complete that it's hard to adapt it to totally different situations.
>Rin, on the other hand, is more of a free agent because her relationship with Shirou doesn't define her in any way. Of course we have the Archer/Rin pairing, but a Lancer/Rin pairing would work out just as well and be just as good in its own way.
Yeah, but that's not really what I'm talking about. It's not so much that Rin is defined by her relationship with Shirou, but rather that Rin is the only one capable of supporting Shirou. If she doesn't end up doing this, then Shirou's just on his own because no one else can follow him. Saber's a ghost, Ilya dies in a year and Sakura's dead weight. And no one else would really understand Shirou well enough to be able to support him. Rin is the only heroine who's uniquely equipped for this role.
Fate is one of those genuinely intensely misogynistic franchises that weirdly never got singled out for it.
Shirou in the UBW route is basically a comic book superhero, with all the weight, and responsibility that that comes with. Rin is Shirou's "guy in the chair."
Why does Shirou get clowned on for being selfless?
VNgays, especially in regards to Type-Moon, Nitro+ and light, have a tendency to be insanely narrow-minded. Just because they prefer the type of content of a specific work, they act as though it's objectively better than the rest when it's just that the content matter is more suited to their tastes. Nitro+ and lightgays are pretty bad, but TMgays are often so awful that they fight over individual routes from the same fricking VN.
Whatever the case, you're all homosexuals.
>TMgays are often so awful that they fight over individual routes from the same fricking VN.
Part of the problem is FSN has two routes that more or less tell two diverging morals, and people have been arguing about that for literally 20 fricking years, lmao.
>FSN has two routes that more or less tell two diverging morals
QRD? Never read the VN
Unlimited Blade Works, and Heaven's Feel. Unlimited Blade Works has the protagonist resolve himself to more or less become a superhero, and deal with all the bullshit that comes with that, while Heaven's Feel is the "go home and be a family man" ending.
Also, I am well aware that is an incredible simplification of both.
>simplification
What is the complicated answer?
Well one of them involved the protagonist's literal future self going back in time to kill him so he wouldn't become a superhero (this was in 2004 when that plot, weirdly enough, WASN'T done multiple times already), and the other had the guy fight satan, and got his soul stuffed into a fake mannequin body.
Worm infested pussy is so good it can fix sword autism.
In UBW, Shirou persists on becoming a wandering good samaritan who travels the world into conflict zones and disaster areas in order to save whoever he can. In Heaven's Feel, he gives up on his goal because he can't save the one he loves if he persists on following it. So it boils down to one route being "save who you can" and the other route being "save the one you love". Incidentally, the one he loves changes depending on the route so it's not even like Sakura's a factor in his decisions in the UBW route.
UBW deals with the question "Are you willing to continue striving to be a hero when you know the consequences will be exceedingly negative for you and cost you everything?" (Yes)
HF goes with "A friend* has become an enemy to fricking everybody but also a victim, are you willing to cast her aside to protect others, or will you abandon your ideals to protect her?"
It's not about morality. It was never about morality. Not once is it claimed that there is one absolutely correct path. None of the paths that Shirou takes are fundamentally wrong. They are just different possibilities.
I mean how much of a critically inflated sense of self-importance would you have to have to say that wanting to save lives is wrong? Or wanting to save the person you love is wrong. I can guarantee you that no matter what path Shirou takes, regardless of whether it's Fate, UBW or HF, he's always living a much more admirable life than anyone in this board.
They are fans of those companies only after reading one of their work.
In the case of Light is Dies Irae.
In the case of Nitro+ it was Saya no Uta, but nowadays is Muramasa.
In the case of TM IS Fate.
Their closed mindness comes from the fact that they feel insecure.
it's not an opinion, though. Demonbane is their best work followed by SoniComi
Kinda sad Jast never translated the sequel.
Would the Shirous of the UBW, HF and Last Episode epilogues get along well?
Enter the Shirouverse.
Look at how he acts around Archer for the answer.
Shirou and Shiki would for sure, despite the jealousy
Shirou doesn't even like himself and he considers Shinji his best friend. Not Issei, not Ayako, not Sakura. Maybe he'd get on with Arihiko.
Shinji apparently was less of an butthole at one point. We never really see it, though.
I think I read somewhere that when they were still friends Shinji destroyed the social life of anyone who spoke badly or took advantage of Shirou, a pity we never got to see it
>took advantage of Shirou
Why is Shirou always people pleasing?
He is a bawd
HF is all about Shirou giving up his borrowed ideals, stop letting others take advantage of him, and pursuing his own happiness.
Do you know nothing about him? His earliest memory is of Kiritsugu rescuing him and looking so relieved to save one person it was like he was the one being saved. Shirou was heavily affected by this and has wanted, above all else, to be a person who saves others ever since. Even (or especially) at cost to himself. That epiphany scene toward the end of UBW has even Saber perturbed at how much Shirou seems to view suffering for others as something to actively aspire to.
I imagine HA and Carnival Phantasm is probably in the ballpark of what he was like at some point, in which case, yeah, I could see him not being the worst person to exist around.
I can see that, we only ever see him around the time of the war, which obviously affects him a lot. Pretty sure other characters in the school mention having low opinions of him already, so at least some of the butthole was always there. But then again, being generally disliked is probably a plus for being liked by someone like Shirou.
Damn, Sakura really does have a top tier body.
...So I'm guessing Rin's getting one too? But where else can they even take her?
...Oh, wait, duh. It's obvious. Inanna. We're probably getting Inannarin next. Like a fusion of Ishtar and Ereshkigal.
Rin is Eresh and Ishtar, Sakura is Kama and Parvati with her other aspects.
I'm talking about the Ordeal Call stuff. This time was focused on Sakura, so I'm guessing Rin's due for another thing as well. Then again, Ereshkigal did have a role in the previous Lostbelt.
Well they are 4 for 4 now if we count welfare Ishtar, Spacerin and summer Kama.
I found Mahoyo to be so bad it made me realize I only liked Tsukihime because I read it when I was 14.
>b-b-b-but muh production values
Don't care. Unlikeable cast, boring action with no stakes, first part of a trilogy that will never be completed and doesn't really work as a standalone.
>Unlikeable cast
Filtered
YMMV but I'm glad you agree on the rest of the flaws.
Notes was about the life of a mercenary at the end of the world, Kara no Kyoukai was a nosy hedge-mage and her pet murder psychic getting involved in local happenings, for crying out loud the scariest monster in WotHN amounted to a magic werewolf. But now Servants need to be in everything, everything needs to be able to kill a Heroic Spirit to be worth screentime. Mages don't do rituals and make bounded fields, they shoot lasers and do kung fu. Back in WotHN the fifth magic was so scary because it was just raw, vulgar force that could surmount any amount of magecraft trickery, which was weird for mages AT THE TIME.
When I heard Tsuikihime was getting a remake, I was cautiously optimistic until I heard him say he would up the stakes and scale because he thought nobody would take it seriously otherwise. No more day-to-day life of a freak raised away from the modern world blending into society with a creature even less human than him, we're getting city blocks swallowed by magic beams (in a world where magic is secret) and timeline frickery and a hero with the only male face Ufotable is capable of drawing, there's probably going to be servants in it too.
People who don't like Shirou just can't jump high like he can
I love even after all these years there is still high jump memes.
Rin will surely have some moderately important participation in the future of FGO, they would never stop taking advantage of using the characters from the original work for fanservice, nor would I be surprised if they make the Great Saber the original Saber, Shirou or both from when they are in Last Episode
If you were legally 18 when FSN came out, you would be 37 today.
Hah. Hahahahaha.
Anon most of us were probably underage when we pirated that game.
Unless you spoke Japanese, you weren't pirating it in 2004, either. The oldest of the oldgay western TM enthusiast might've known about it through Tsukihime, though.
Tsukihime got its patch in 2006 or 7. I remember it because it was around the same time TBC came out and between playing and posting it was nuts.
I actually don't remember when I read Fate, though. I didn't read any of the partials, but I do remember the threads when the 'official' patch was done.
Fate and TM were never niche. Melty Blood was very popular.
...So why is Muramasa such a skilled tailor, anyway? Like they never explain this shit. Shirou never showed off any talents like that so it couldn't have come from him. I don't think Susano-O is known for making clothes either. Did he get it from Hodr?
>doubting the sewing ability of a perfect housewife like Shirou
Begone, GOtard.
>Be a perfect housewife like Shirou
>Get bitter like Archer
What did Nasu mean by this
He never got a nice husband or kids. Housewives can snap and go weird.
What can you do if you are in a one-sided relationship?
Archer became the way he is because he could not marry Saber and instead entered into an abusive marriage with Alaya
Archer is what happens if Shirou fails the Saber route and doesn't fall into any other route, resulting in him being alone and having no one to cook for.
sometimes the bait is so poorly crafted you just feel bad for the poster
>fate remake is announced
>will probably be out in 2040