>Wind Waker ends by deliberately ending Ganondorf & Triforce plot for good
>Phantom Hourglass is about setting sail from the past and begin anew, beginning a new adventure in the process
>Spirit Tracks pushes progress forward with trains and stars another villain unrelated from Ganon&co, setting up the perfect chance to start a new story in the franchise
>UHHHH ACTUALLY FUCK THAT EVERYONE JUST ENDS UP USING SHEIKA TECH JUST TO END UP RAPED IN THE ASS BY GANON!!! ALSO GANON IS BACK AND HYRULE IS BACK AND YOU MUST GO BACK TO BORING MEDIEVAL SLOP LOLOLOLOLOL!! ALL THE TIMELINES DON'T MATTER BECAUSE EVERYTHING CONVERGES BACK INTO BOTW BECAUSE FUCK HAVING TO WORK FOR A NEW GAME!!! ENJOY YOUR NU-ZELDA!!!!
Bravo Aonuma, bravo
>Wind Waker ends by deliberately ending Ganondorf & Triforce plot for good
>Wind Waker ends by deliberately ending Ganondorf & Triforce plot for good
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its a kids game no need to stir shit or get worked up about it
Didn't read but I would Midna
Something something bioluminescent teal
i like the concept for that fan art but wind fish airship is a terrible idea
As long as it moved faster than the fucking train I wouldn't mind it.
I think the concept is just generally a terrible idea. It's just a mishmash of other shit from different Zeldas with an early Briton steampunk aesthetic.
How many times did Zelda Ganon Ganon's Ganon?
>Tetra and Link found the kingdom of New Hyrule after Phantom Hourglass
>all timelines supposedly merge into Breath of the Wild
>the kingdom is just called "Hyrule" in BotW
So did New Hyrule just get abandoned as soon as everyone found out the old Hyrule became unflooded?
That's where the theories of New Hyrule being somewhere in the bounds of Zelda 2's expanded map come in.
Unless canon explicitly states that something happened to new hyrule I refuse to acknowledge breath of the shart as a continuation of the adult timeline, especially since they get rid of ganondorf for good. let zelda and link have a good time for once
and even if something happens i'll just bury my head in the sand and pretend botw wasn't canon to begin with
Nobody cares about your garbage opinion you disgusting tineline moron
There is no timeline merge, everyone who thinks that is a retard
The more one compares botw map to AoL map. The more likely it is that BotW is downfall timeline.
Spectacle rock being in Gerudo suggests that lesser Hyrule is swallowed up by the Gerudo desert. Coincidentally if you overlay botw gerudo with LoZ Hyrule and OoT Hyrule you wind up with level 9(quest 2), Ganons castle, and Yiga hideout in the same approximate location.
Implying Ganon after killing Link stayed at the site of his final victory, after being defeated by LoZ Link, the Ganon cult of sheikah moved into the area.
Explain, anon. You got a comparison between the maps?
unfortunately i saved the trying to make sense of Minish cap map over just the AoL/BotW/OoT one.
Ah yes, Lake Hylia above lost woods
Lost woods jumps around, its the least reliable landmark in the series, only beating out death mountain because Hylians name every single mountain death mountain prior to botW
Therefore every map comparison is cherry picking bullshit.
>lets ignore more reliable landmarks become im a moron with no sense of imagination
you do you
You're in full cope mode.
Not really, the lost woods is an explicitly magical forest that we have at least one canon example of moving. Death mountain also has the unique honor of being the only landmark with two separate locations sharing the name at the same time.
BotWs death mountain has far more in common with Eldin Volcano from SS than all death mountains save TP which doesn’t line up with anything else in the series.
>if I ignore all the exceptions it works
Just admit you have autism and want to make regarded maps
While yes I certainly want to make maps. Spectacle rock has never before moved from death mountain, it is the most reliable landmark in the series. Combined with maze island, it’s not a far a jump to consider BotW Hyrule to be North Hyrule from AoL. Which specifically avoided Ganons wrath during the first 2 games.
It's literally been in 4 games. One of which is the direct same location as its a sequel. Its missing from all other renditions of DM, but you ignore those.
OoT: we only see the path to Goron city and the fairy fountain path up the mountain.
TP: map matches with nothing else in series.
FS: Death mountain is 3 mountains and no other landmark is shared with other games, not likely to be Hyrule.
FSA: objectively least sensible map in the series (tundra at sea level right next to desert.) matches no other iteration of Hyrule.
LttP: spectacle rock appears in the sequel.
>proves me right
>it doesn't match his bias
>th-thats not Hyrule!
>this is hyrule
Game says it's, yes.
No it doesn’t. It talks about the lands protected by the great fairies. Death mountain is the only thing shared between these lands and Hyrule in any other game.
Which is in hyrule, correct.
Nearly there anon!
Death mountain is also three seperate mountains in this game, but you’ll ignore that too.
Which you can handily ignore for your autism maps anon
No I put the lands of the three fairies outside of Hyrule proper like the other Capcom locations
>put MC on OoT
Minish cap is directly called Hyrule unlike the land of the three fairies, Holodrum, and Labrynna. It’s not a Capcom location it’s a Nintendo one used by Capcom.
And here is the cope
How is it cope to acknowledge when it’s called Hyrule it is Hyrule, and when it’s not called Hyrule it isn’t Hyrule? Death Mountain is a name reused all the time. Zelda 2 has two Death mountains on its map. 3 death mountains in one spot clearly doesn’t match any other depiction of death mountain. it is not the same death mountain.
>this one is different because arbitrary rule that fits my autism!
That's cool anon please post your finished map
Minish Cap actually works in the general canon of Zelda, they even kept some locations from it in BotW like Mt. Crenel.
The other Capcom games are too fanficky to tale seriously.
thats just the bacsie of the death mountain from the game your thingink about
Hyrule is the only land mentioned in the manual. FSA also clarifies that peace was restored to Hyrule (when the manual is covering the events of FS).
Hyrule Historia calls out the regions protected by the great fairies.
>ignoring the actual game
>using the current official stance
Creating a Champion is more representative of the current official stance than HH or Zelda Encyclopedia. That is just a fact.
I was under the impression that CaC was purely BotW but I’ll go read that now.
>says literally nothing about the events of four sword
The Historia doesn't imply it's not Hyrule, just that it's set in the regions (of Hyrule) protected by Great Fairies. The page before it goes on to describe the events of FS and its backstory as happening in Hyrule just like the manual did.
Temple of the Four Sword is here, as it is in MC and FSA.
Not even the castle is reliable.
A castle that is destroyed with regularity is not a reliable landmark even in real life
Maybe the lost woods is simultaneously connected to every forest
Maybe it moves around so much because it's lost
You don't really think that they actually look at old maps and try to mold the landscape over the centuries, right? They just draw a new map and go "Oh let's put a big mountain on it, and let's just name it Death Mountain because we always do!"
That's a pretty weak schizo theory anon
Though downfall timeline is fairly likely, only real knock against it is that it's the garbage dump timeline that they made up just to be able to forget about ALttP's backstory
Except that there are structures in BotW Hyrule that date back to the time between OoT and TP like the Great Bridge of Hylia, Arbiter's Grounds and the relocated Hyrule Castle Town and Hyrule Castle (Plus their general layout), all of which was built after the timeline split.
Arbiters Grounds would have had existed before OoT for Ganondorf to have even imprisoned there
Ok, explain the bridge of Hylia, not only is it explicitly in exact same place but accounting for sizze discrepancies it even has the same architecture.
It doesn't have the same architecture for one.
The TP one is a different bridge.
>bridge of Hylia
>location in botw
>not to be confused with the great hylian bridge from twilight princess
Hylia worshippers get the FUCK off my board.
Arbiter's Grounds couldn't have been there before the split because at that point the desert was unexplored wasteland under the total control of the then hostile Gerudo, it most likely was built to imprison Ganondorf after he was captured and the Gerudo themselves either surrendered or got conquered.
The prison is said to already be ancient and house the mirror from the interloper war. You just don't see it
I've always seen it as what Tomino did for Turn A Gundam. There's no timeline merge, it just happens insanely, insanely far in the future and all timelines just end with BOTW. Basically don't think too hard about it and just enjoy the references.
No new Hyrule is there, sheikah just ignore it since new Hyrule worships trains instead of simp goddess.
>since new Hyrule worships trains
My god, a kingdom comprised solely of autists.
It's not actually New Hyrule, just the new Hyrule.
>game series finally has an understandable continuity that allows for varied game concepts
>durrr actually let's just make all the games converge with the new one!! no, we don't need any actual lore explaining this, lets's just add referential amiibo loot!!
Zelda’s lore is such dogshit. Really feels like any sense of continuity beyond TP was rushed through for the sake of fans and then not given a shit about down the line.
I also found the hesitance to use New Hyrule for BotW pretty lame.
>Phantom Hourglass is about setting sail from the past and begin anew, beginning a new adventure in the process
>name land Hyrule
>Ganon ends up coming back
malladus and bellum arent' ganon anon
Malladus is Ganon's gay cousin that no one in the Demon Tribe likes to talk about.
Cole only followed him because he wanted to fuck Zelda and didn't care if it was just her possessed husk.
Bellum isn;t Ganon, yes.
But you are lying to EVERYNE including yourself if you honestly think Malladeus isn't just ganon under a very slight new coat of paint.
FFS he looks 95% similar to TP beast ganon. And I already mentioned dorf's head on the demon train.
You cunts are beyond insufferable with your excuses to shit on BotW, for YEARS this place has put down PH and ST.
Malladus is not literally derived from the human Ganondorf Dragmire. He is presumably another separate incarnation of the Demise Curse if we follow SS lore.
The curse got broken when WW Link speared Ganondorf's skull with his sword and King Hyrule flooded the old land. Quite literally the triforce does not exist anymore therefore there is no reincarnation of the hero the sage and the brute
No he just got sealed again.
>therefore there is no reincarnation of the hero the sage and the brute
Source? Zelda and Link (ST) seem to contradict that.
Contradictions should be ignored
Source on the triforce not existing anymore?
So, in other words, Malladus is a continuation of the curse, and Zelda and Link are Zelda and Link.
>Let our destinies be fulfilled
Also hyrule historia spells it out for you.
Don't look up what Zelda is wearing anon
probably became a tradition from tetra's times since it's a 1:1 copy of (tetra) zelda's dress, just like how the early hylians put tetra on stained glass
they don't actually know what it means
You've been destroyed
bro it's the same design copy pasted 3 times as it is, not my fault aonuma is an hack
It is your fault, it destroyed your credibility
Incontrovertible proof that the handheld games were designed by soulless interns just copying the immediate previous games
Why is four swords Zelda so ugly?
ALTTP Zelda is perfect
You fags are debating dresses when the obvios sign is BotW Link wearing blue like the postgame shirt in WW. Fags, both of you.
I know I fuckt up. Shut up.
It was supposed to be Tetra herself, but the director was a closeted gay and didn't like her
>The curse got broken when WW Link speared Ganondorf's skull with his sword and King Hyrule flooded the old land.
Ganondorf was laughing before getting petrified and after 10,000 years the landmass probably changed quite a bit.
>Your new land won't be Hyrule, it'll be your own land
>I'VE GOT IT... *NEW* HYRULE
Spirit Tracks was bad and you should feel bad
Someone post the Miyamoto greentext
>complaining about Zelda continuity
>posting cringe fan art
lol at your life
Has anyone who actually worked on the games ever mentioned the timelines convergeing or is it just some wierd fandom cope over Nintendo not really caring about the timeline
creating a champion artbook
that just proves it's in the fallen hero tl
That doesn't mention the timelines converging
Did you even read that
There was a famitsu interview confirming what
I'll go take a photo of the Aounuma page
That's not a timeline merge, retard
That is explicitly "who knows what's canon and what isn't, you're not supposed to think about it because we don't care, fuck off with this timeline autism"
Basically, ignore the timeline stuff.
Only the GOOD games are always in canon, baby.
MC and OoT being eternal are based though
Some might say the only good Zelda game
It's basically WW/TP/SS, but as a top down Zelda.
It is, dare I say it's the only good Toon Zelda game and one of the few good handheld titles
After flipping through the leaked book, trailers, and reading all this I still defend that it is the WW timeline. It just makes way more sense than any other.
Ancient seas can exist without WW.
There is one in SS even.
Why? Even the rito were just added to look cool, no regard for timeline stuff.
>Ganondorf resurrecting in the same position and on a circular platform like in WW
>the carvings on the wall represent oot's legend in a similar style as WW intro
>Reliance on technology, hinting ST roots
>No mention whatsoever of the triforce or the 3 goddesses or any religious lore in the whole BotW
Yes, you can see triforces in the castle it is never shown to be something important in the lore. Link, Zelda, the King or any other in game npc ever mentions anything even slightly close to any faith to the original Hyrule religion. Why? Because Link and tetra Zelda only got a TL;DR from Daphness and fucked off to another land. They didn't even know shit about Hylia, they just built a new kingdom adopting the symbolism and thats it.
Tech existed in WW anon
Doesn't change anything
AoL is after ALttP in the same timeline, so no.
Who said after 10k years there is no chance they might have returned back?
>AoL is after ALttP in the same timeline, so no
You're retarded anon.
Lost knowledge is still lost knowledge.
>Lost knowledge is still lost knowledge.
Not an argument.
Except it is, you coping gay
With trains? Lmao
You're the map anon, aren't you?
No I’m arguing about spectacle rock, I don’t believe WW timeline makes sense for BotW, Zora and Gerudo are extinct in the WW timeline. I suppose one could argue that Sea Zora evolved into the shark Zora we see in BotW and the Gerudo having pointed ears may suggest an iteration made by Hylia/the goddesses. I maintain if it is not a unified timeline it’s in the downfall timeline.
>I suppose one could argue that Sea Zora evolved into the shark Zora we see in BotW
Not with them having the history of OoT Zora Domain. There is no consistency, the only way to look at it is OoT happens and everything after in all three timelines is much.
I promise you're giving it more thought thay development does.
You can apply the exact same points of triforce and religion to AoL, retard.
It would need to be a different land to New Hyrule entirely.
>Reliance on technology, hinting ST roots
Tech is in every timeline, ST is honestly the least advanced
>No mention whatsoever of the triforce or the 3 goddesses or any religious lore in the whole BotW
Now do the religion that's actually present in BotW
The lokomo qre actual shiekha
That's so remarkably retarded that I'm honestly just impressed that you could manage to write down that thought with only 2 spelling errors
>Now do the religion that's actually present in BotW
You mean the Zonai stuff? It seems like no character knows about it either in game.
F8ne. Explain me at what point the whole population of Hyrule forgot the Hylian religion. ALttP? Oracle games? Zelda 2? LoZ1? Triforce heroes? You are the retarded gay.
The backstory of AoL is literally about this and how the kingdom had faded into irrelevance with all its symbolism gone
It's an unnamed sacred statue and there is 3 in total in the game, probably meant tu be Din, Farone and Nayru.
So you are retarded?
Triforce exists and is aknowledged from the beggining of the game wtf are you on to?
4? I admit I finished it in 2019 and haven't come back in a while.
How? My point was the trifrce in AoL was known while in BotW it's regarded as nothing more than a rando glowy tattoo.
I was talking about the big main ones like the one in the temple of time ruins.
You clearly went into this under equipped. This is your out.
The knowledge of the Triforce isn't mentioned in BotW because it's not relevant to the story. Not all Zelda games are about the Triforce.
The only thing to really speculate about the Triforce in BotW is that its powers are not enough to hold back Calamity Ganon, which would explain why nobody brings it up.
>The knowledge of the Triforce isn't mentioned in BotW because it's not relevant to the story. Not all Zelda games are about the Triforce.
True, but it is always relevant when Ganon is in the game, and now that we know that Hylia will be in TotK it is essentially confirmed that it is going to play a part. That is why I found it strange that in BotW it is seen as just a minor curiosity and only zelda has it.
There's one in literally every single settlement, in addition to the ones in the temples
Always funny when you secondaries out yourselves.
>It's an unnamed sacred statue and there is 3 in total in the game
You haven't played the game
You've been epically trolled
The fact it isn't mentioned at all in AoL for one.
That is you right now.
How do they all uniformly worship Hylia, or know about her at all, let alone have perfect replicas of her statue from antiquity?
How? That shit literally predates OoT, by presumably about as much as OoT predates BotW
It is also the only religion we ever see anyone in any of these games pay actual mind to, as the creation myth in OoT was forgotten shit passed down by the Deku Tree and the Sheikah exclusively
It btfos me so it's irrelevant
>Tech is in every timeline, ST is honestly the least advanced
>having actual working steam trains
?along with various water wheels, beamos, armos, pictoboxes, etc typical zelda tech
That's a bold fucking claim there anon.
You might be the dumbest cunt here bar none.
Yes anon, industrial era tech is far less advanced than magitech robots
Go back to school
What is Skyward Sword?
The Great Plateau is the ruins of Castle Town from Ocarina of Time.
BotW is clearly child timeline.
OoT is in all three timelines retard. Plus you don't even mention the timeline you actually see it get wrecked
Wind Waker ended with the king telling the gods to wash away Hyrule.
Master Sword stuck in Ganon's head and left at the bottom of the ocean.
BotW is either child or fallen hero.
Nothing matters. Rule of cool.
Not an argument.
>when you want to bait but you're too lazy
Not an argument.
>Wind Waker ended with the king telling the gods to wash away Hyrule.
>Master Sword stuck in Ganon's head and left at the bottom of the ocean.
This is why arguing over BotW's timeline placement is retarded, it's been over 10,000 years since Wind Waker, either of those could have easily changed in that time
OoT is in all three though. This is ridiculous nonsense. They don't care.
The sea receded
Again that doesn't actually mention convergence though
>impossible to tell which legends are historical fact and which are mere fairy tale
makes it sound like only one of the post OoT timelines is canon but that Nintendo don't care which one it is and they really don't want to deal with fans sperging out over which one it is
There isn't one, that's why.
The "Era of Myth" is being left deliberately vague so that they don't have to give BotW a timeline placement. It's a way of soft-retconning the timeline split, leaving the theorycrafting community back to where they were before Hyrule Historia came out when it comes to the question of how OoT and LttP connect to each other.
There's no official mention of the merge, but the official timeline on the Zelda website places Breath of the Wild at the end of all three timelines. Anyone with a brain would read this as being a soft reboot, a sign that says "Hey, the Zelda series is sort of starting over here. We might reference old stuff from a bunch of games, but the chances of us actually linking this new era to any of the old ones is needlessly slim." Timeline autists instead convince themselves that for everything to make sense, all the timelines need to have merged together. I kinda wish that was the case, though. When BotW was coming out I was hoping Calamity Ganon was the result of the three Ganons from each timeline being mashed together and going insane from all the power and memories he had accumulated, but I guess that would be too cool for this franchise.
It has been described as taking place at the end of every timeline and the tens of thousands of years separating it from the rest of the games seems meant to be a "History became legend, legend became myth" way of being able to reference any old game without fully committing to a branch in what is otherwise a soft reboot.
In the afterword of Creating a Champion, yes. Eiji says he set it so far after everything so fans can separate it from the timeline, basically.
There was always a semblance of a timeline however with BOTW Nintendo is attempting to go clean slate and have an actual continuity and they just now reference past games as 'could be myth' or could have actually happened
>Source: My Ass
Source is from interviews and there's plenty of evidence of it in the thread, sperglord
have a nice day
Explain rito and zoras coexisting, reminder the lore on ritos is ALL the zoras were turned in to them by the gods. No "they missed a few" bullshit either.
They missed a few.
The Rito in BotW are visibly different from the WW Rito, and the Zora existing with their history intact means they didn't evolve into Rito
Read the artbook for why. They wanted them both because it was cool. They made Revali, then went and made the rest in his image. Early plans for champions were Kokori, Zora, WW Rito, Gerudo and Goron.
Okay, so there's no timeline merge because timeline adherence doesn't matter to the devs and they didn't want BotW to take place in any of them because it would limit their creative freedom
You don't get to have it both ways to justify your autism
I never said anything about a merge.
Then don't reply to arguments about it in defense of that side
I'm not. Calling out your retarded notion is not support of something else.
This is just circling back to "you're wrong because the devs only did it because they thought it was cool and therefore canon isn't real and nothing exists for any in-universe reason", which is retarded
have a nice day
But this is correct
Prove Aonuma wrong when he said he wants people to come up with their own answers
Not what the argument is about, learn to read
Your answers are cope anon. Just childish fiction that ignores the actual truth of how the game was made. You are coping, and now you are seething.
Your answers are cope anon. Just childish fiction that ignores the actual truth of what's in the game. You are coping, and now you are seething.
This is embarrassing
Im off for a wank lads.
Canon literally doesn't matter. They reused ideas they liked from other games. They don't care about the timelines, nor should they be contained by the,.
Anon you can literally see the design process for the game. They don't think this way. Only autistic fucks like you do because you desperately want some relevance to "canon".
Something being developed without an adherence to existing lore does not mean it's not a real part of the game that conclusions can be drawn from in-universe, you actual invalid
This implies that Link fucked the seagull.
That just brings up the next question, why do they even exist if the WW flood didn't happen?
The only reason they got animorphed in to birds is so the zoras wouldn't find hyrule underwater.
They didn't just suddenly turn from fish people into dolphin people, there was a fair period of time before they evolved wings and had to rely on grappling hooks to get around Dragon Roost
>fish people into dolphin people
I'm tired, you know what I mean
Thats because for some reason they don't actually get the wings unless the dragon dude gives them one of his feathers.
Why did the gods set up this system? Idk lol
Because they wanted to use Rito in BotW. That's why.
I mean thats the real reason yeah, but timeline fags need to justify it if they want to hold on to their claim that the timelines are still separate.
Well this one is sperging out so it's nice to watch
Prove me wrong
Oh wait, you can't, because I have dev interviews, and you have nothing but your feelings
>nothing but your feelings
Please, by all means, prove it all wrong
Lmao its the copying anon
I've never seen someone this upset here before.
>he says, through his tears as he ignores the same books developer art
>When "the timelines merged" is not only a timeline argument, but an actual schizo theory flying in the face of all official information and everything that the devs have said
You still haven't given an in universe reason why both races exist, when WW explicitly explains all the zoras are turned in to rito due to the flood.
Not all did
I did 🙂
The in-universe reason can be literally anything, the only thing that's certain is that the Zora exist and are unchanged with their same civilization and the Rito are not the same creatures as the ones from WW
What did he mean by this
There being a third post-OoT timeline has nothing to do with the idea that in-game events and concepts don't matter because the devs didn't care about holding firm to a specific cross-game continuity when making a soft reboot
>NO ITS HAS TO BE SET IN WW!
When will you talk about the artbook, Zeltik?
You can bring up whatever you want from the art book and my answer will be the same shit I'm already saying
It's not my fault you can't read
Talk about the leak Zeltik
Cope and sneed retard
When is your next video?
I accept your concession
I know it's you Zeltik.
Red pill me on youtuber man, why is he the only person who has ever talked about Zelda lore
When will you address the artbook Zeltik?
relax he'll do it eventually. he doesn't have to do it when it's relevant. I bet he'll milk that material for all it's worth after the game comes out.
Didn't more birdlike Rito get thrown onto carvings in TP's HD remaster?
Yeah but I'm sure I've read an interview of artist comment where they say it was meaningless
>Explain rito and zoras coexisting
Easy, nintendo thought it would be cool to have Zora and Rito in the same game and don't care about the timeline
Don't worry anon, I've got what you've been waiting for.
All cope. It's like how everyone thinks OoT ends with multiple possibilities. The only thing that happens is that Zelda sends Link back to being a child after he had opened the temple of time doors, and she fled the castle, yet she's still in the castle. So we can only assume that Ganondorf gets into sacred realm
I still do consider the greater connected zelda timeline as a pointless idea and not a thing.
Different games doing whatever storyline they want is fine with me
Fans trying to create "deepest looooore" in everything just doesn't work as much as they want it to
Yeah, not every single game needs to be connected
I feel like the 3D ones have a very organic timeline, though, because all of them (except BoTW) have some direct connection to OoT
Skyward Sword --> OoT (child timeline) --> MM --> TP --> (thousand of years later) BoTW
Skyward Sword --> OoT (adult timeline) --> WW
The 2D timeline doesn't fit with the 3D one because Ocarina of Time is a retelling of the Imprisoning War and Twilight Princess is a retelling of A Link to the Past
>people still trying to make sense of timeline gayry
Nintendo doesnt care about the timeline and only had some fans make one in Hyrule Historia to shut you retards up. There is no zelda timeline, simple as
Most games are connected in linear fashion. Only the old stuff FS related games don't fit anywhere, hence the downfall shite.
The old stuff fit fine until they kept making sequels to OoT in the spots those games already previously occupied
There's always been some chronology. LTTP was directly marketed as a prequel to the NES games, Ocarina was intended as a retelling of LTTP's backstory, and Aonuma established "Ocarina's ending splits in two" around the time Wind Waker came out.
The Hyrule Historia timeline did pull that Defeated Hero timeline out of their ass largely because Twilight Princess just didn't work with the old 2D games at all.
I still don't understand the logic of putting FSA after TP in the slightest. I get it has to occur after OoT, but why not in downfall
There's really no better spot for it. FSA before ALttP doesn't work, though I suppose you could throw it after AoL.
It sucks so much.
>A new age dawns in Spirit Tracks
>Never got to see any of it because ST flopped
>oh no my hecking autismo bait with choo choos sucked ass and was bad
Go watch some train videos you fucking sperg
it didn't? meddies
>THE TIMELINES DON'T MATTER BECAUSE EVERYTHING CONVERGES BACK INTO BOTW
Aonuma never said that.
Long ago I started writing a fanfic with the premise of the Wind Waker / New Hyrule timeline facing its own crisis from the Twilight Realm. It started with Link as a hotel bellboy. After all, does the Triforce just stop existing after Wind Waker? That was before I was still a dumbass about making promises I couldn’t keep.
The adult timeline sucks. Both the lore (flooded Hyrule cuz no Link) and games (Wind Waker, Phantom Hourglass, Spirit Tracks) are inferior to the child timeline's lore and games (Majora's Mask, Twilight Princess)
>Nintendo intentionally wipes the slate clean with BOTW timeline shit because its stupid
>NOOOO NINTENDO CARES ABOUT THE TIMELINE ITS REAL GUYS I SWEAR LOOK AT THIS OBSCURE INTERVIEW YEARS AGO
Skyward Sword and ALBW reléased after spirit tracks you retarded gay
lol you might as well care about the mario timeline
The Mario timeline is boring, it mostly goes in the order of the game's releases save for obvious prequels like Yoshi's Island and part of Partners in Time.
There is no timeline
There is, games like Odyssey reference past games, Sunshine references other past games and Yoshi's Island is supposed to be an origin story.
Zelda games progressively are more plot based you disingenuous retard
All canon except Mario Kart World Tour.
That's the only canon one
tl;dr Fuck Aonuma.
BotW is set in a Hyrule where it doesn't matter what came before. They really don't give a shit about canon or anything, they just want references from all three timelines.
I just wonder what Ganon's up to!
I forget how dumb timeline fags are sometimes
I am going to KILL Hylia.
BotW is not set in the WW timeline, they just said that the timelines had merged so people stopped instigating flame wars over it, the game is very clearly set in the MM/TP timeline.
Why were people so obsessed with turning zelda into steampunk? I still remember that shitty concept Aaron Diaz made with Zelda using Sheika powers and Link being a prince and captured.
ganondorf looks like a fine and cultured man
Steampunk has a whimsical character to it that lends itself to magitech fantasy.
Not with that story pitch, It wasn't.
Did you mean TP?
The game directly after WW and before PH and ST?
So you are just wrongly, impotently and worthlessly seething at BotW? Still? After six years?
>Madeus from ST
>not related to ganon(dorf)
>when he is the most basic bitch Not-Ganon one could ever fucking design, so much so that the demon train just has dorf's face on its front
Fucking give me a bloody break you gay.
But yeah, he's easily the shittiest Ganon substitute to date, Demise doesn't count because he's just Ganon and villains like Vaati, Bellum and Nightmare are far more unique.
even when they made the timeline in hyrule historia they said they probably wouldnt stick to it.
fuck the canon who needs it
3 M's in a row in captcha. never seen that before
Spirit Tracks took a neat direction. New Hyrule (lol), Malladus, and trains were all neat. It was nice to have new, non-Ganon demon Lord who is clearly related somehow based in design, but explicitly not the same. Also Phantom Zelda was peak.
They need a new final boss. Imagine if every pokemon game ended in a fight against Gary or every dark souls game ended with a fight against gwyn darksoul. Having the same guy just diminishes the uniqueness of the previous games.
Breath of the Wild is a soft-reboot of the timeline.
It takes place so far in the future that nothing that happened before matters.
Nobody knows which timeline it's in, because it doesn't matter.
No, this is not the same as a timeline merge you fucking retard.
Yes. It's dumb but it's true.
This is 100% the current Aonuma answer. He'll never say it, but essentially in his mind BotW is a soft-reboot. At least for now. Nobody can really say what the canon will be as of TotK's release and onward.
It has to be convergence for references of all three timelines to exist. They wouldn't just put shit in without thinking of the lore implications. They wouldn't do that to me.
This sarcasm would work better if half the people pushing that idea didn't agree with you that caring about lore is retarded
Lore is retarded.
Eiji doesn't give a fuck about lore. He wanted Rito and Zora and he got it.
Aonuma also ruined Zelda so I don't care about what he thinks.
Then why cry about the timeline?
So? Capcom didn't give a shit either, that doesn't mean I can't like some of MC's concepts
>minutes since Ganker last pointed out how shitty and poorly written botw is
On brand for Zelda.
>steampunk Zelda image
God, fuck steampunk fags
Didn't play Skyward Sword did you bub?
>retard thinks the timelines matter in the slightest
You're an idiot, and so is everyone like you. Fuck off.
>muh Hyrule Historia
You got scammed and Nintendo got your money. Dumbass.
They were talking about the timelines as being part of the development of the games' stories as far back as the lead up to WW's release, it wasn't something they just made up for Hyrule Historia
They were lying to appease your headcanon so you'd keep buying the games. Suckers, all of you.
Anon I can assure you with like 80% certainty that the devs weren't actually lying about not caring and don't have some hidden secret lore about the game's meticulously crafted connections to the timeline of the CD-I Zeldas
>"N-no! Corporation-sama would never lie to me!"
Present an actual position or rope, irony-poisoned zoomie
>an actual position
I already did, and you outright ignored it. Nintendo is lying to you so you'll keep buying the fucking games. The timelines are not real, and NEVER have been. You are a delusional fucking idiot.
So now they're not lying about the timelines not mattering, they were only previously lying about it mattering for the previous 15 years and only recently came clean about it?
Oh good, the delusional retard is also illiterate, apparently.
They said they don't care
You say they're lying
You also say they lied about caring
Your inability to pick one and stick with it is not my problem
They will say whatever they need to say to get you blithering retards to buy their shit. They will gleefully change their words on a fuckin' dime if it means they secure yours. How are you not getting this? They DON'T care, and they will indeed lie to you about not caring because they're a fucking corporation. It IS your fault you can't recognize that the snake oil sellers have nuance to their bullshit. Fucking hell.
So again we circle back- what is the actual secret lore they made for BotW since they're lying about not caring?
"secret lore" = "they'll clap when they remember this reference"
What? I never said shit about there being some secret BotW lore. Goddamn, you really ARE a delusional moron.
... Hold on, are you talking about that rumor that BotW was supposed to be about an alien invasion? Cause I'm pretty sure someone made that up.
>I never said shit about there being some secret BotW lore
You said they were lying about their stance on the lore in BotW
This means logically that there must be more that they're not telling us
This is not complicated, anon
I said they were lying about giving a shit about the timelines, and that they were lying about the timelines even being a real thing, you illiterate twat. What the actual fuck.
Oh, so they stopped lying when it came time to market BotW and now are completely truthful, cool got it
>that rumor that BotW was supposed to be about an alien invasion
That one is real. IIRC Nintendo shared it along with some other unused concepts a little while after BOTW released.
still waiting for this kino to come out. Aliens get to the triforce and get stuck with wisdom, and Ganon and link need to work together to kick them out
If it happened it would just turn out that the entire alien culture was based around a sheikah shrine, and then all the individual aliens would be hidden under rocks every 10 feet to give you upgrade materials
Oh what the fuck? Why THE FUCK am I not playing a sci-fi Zelda game right now? Oh right, because the NOT MUH elitist secondaries ruin every single IP they ever touch.
They never stopped lying. Again, they will say whatever it takes to get you to buy their shit, even if it directly contradicts previous statements.
>Why THE FUCK am I not playing a sci-fi Zelda game right now?
Because that's a dumb fucking idea, might as well play a different series at that point
>t.elitist NOT MUH secondary
You officially no longer have the right to complain about a lack of innovation. Zelda games are all samey garbage because off YOU.
I also want Zelda to change and do new things but that doesn't mean I want them to just pull the same shit but in space with lightsabers and ships
Zelda should explore new kingdoms and lands with new races, antagonists, items, etc. Build on the world it has instead of making something that is LoZ in name only
If you're trying to fit BotW into a timeline and coming up with some 'merged timeline' shit as an autistic headcanon for fun then power to you, nothing wrong with a bit of worldbuilding.
But anyone who thinks Nintie actually sat down and had some big fucking board meeting where they discussed the super secret BOTW backstory where the timelines converged, or that Nintie gives anything resembling a shit about the timeline beyond a vague sense of some games happening after other games, is a fucking retard.
It's the opposite, people are taking the devs saying they didn't care as proof that all the timelines were merged, the idea itself is the dismissal
No one has said this.
Yes, nobody that actually cares has ever said the timelines have merged, which is why a single real argument in the idea's defense has yet to surface, only lazy equivocation of that idea with the devs going out of their way to divorce BotW from any timeline to have creative freedom
Why are you agreeing with me with such anger?
The timelines have merged.
Case in point
I just posted that to make you reply due to your victim complex.
I replied because you're cute
b-but anon-kun we're both irate neckbeards, it's not allowed...
Another successful botw hate thread
This is a lore hate thread, you're small time.
i had a feeling you'd be sorting by ppm, thanks again king
how does re-converging the timelines even work?
After enough time, everything that could happen happens in all three timelines anyway. Or some nonsense.
It doesn't, which is why the source of the idea is illiterate people hearing about it secondhand from other illiterate people
>we want all the good parts of having lore but don't want to actually maintain such a long overarching story
Aonuma and Fujibayashi are lazy gays.
It's that simple.
No, it has to be deeper than that.
Learn to cope, anon
It's not even like they were that creatively restrained, the necessary parts were all just shit they kept and everything else changed pretty radically game-to-game anyway even when they were literally making direct sequels to OoT
>Zelda copies Dragon Quest with it's lore bullshit
>Dragon Quest 11 fucks with it's japanese fans by saying it connected to both 1~3 and 4~6.
>Zelda fucks up by doing a piss poor job and releasing a shitty book.
Quest 11 fucks with it's japanese fans by saying it connected to both 1~3 and 4~6.
By referencing them and timeline BS.
>YOU MUST GO BACK TO BORING MEDIEVAL SLOP
1. It's a medieval fantasy series
2. BotW wasn't nearly as medieval as it could or should have been
The push for more tech in Zelda in general is cringe, doesn't matter if it's trains, robots, mechas, etc.
The tech shit wouldn't even be that big of a problem if they weren't so fucking lazy and didn't ruin literally every single piece of BotW's worldbuilding by directly connecting it all to the grand ancient Techno-Sheikah diaspora as part of a series of gay tests for (You) specifically
You keep trying to make people care
That gay shit doesn't belong in this series
No one cares. BotW is the chad hero of the series.
Pure soul. It was all for him. He is the true hero.
He's the hero of a disneyland-tier artificial world where there's nothing to save because none of it is genuine
Low test response
Funny coming from the guy simping for the most feminine Link who crossdresses just to talk to some Gerudo and whose canonical hero outfit comes with booty shorts and short sleeves
You jack off to it though
BOTW Link is the literally the worst one.
>doesn't actually kill ganon
>needs a second game to actually accomplish anything of worth
There's a reason why this gay doesn't have the Triforce of Courage. He's a loser.
I have a soft spot for Spirit Tracks and I quite like the Wind Waker timeline as the sort of 'advanced' timeline (WW itself obviously has a bit of an Age of Sail vibe to it) but I would really like another game where they just do another comfy medieval setting. At this point there being inexplicable neon lights on certain buildings just seems like a given but I didn't really like Skyward Sword and BotW just going full batshit with
>dude one billion year old robots
The way I see it; its not really about the timelines literally coming together, its that they all will deal with the event of calamity ganon.
Like how a timeline where hitler won WW2; the sun will die and the world will perish far far far off in that future too.
It's not to say literally all timelines with have sheika slate tech or whatever, but that calamity ganon will happen upon all of them.
I haven't played BoTW or know anything about timeline discussion but that's my look on the whole thing.
Skyward Sword and that little stint where Nintendo pretended that they cared about Zelda lore has dealt severe, possibly permanent damage to this franchise.
You misspelled Twilight Princess
I mean Wind Waker
I mean Ocarina of Time
Those didn't bomb.
Putting aside the goalpost shift, I guess that's why we'll never get another game like Majora's Mask
Koizumi + Y2K fear made it stand out.
>Ocarina of Time
Wherein Aonuma was handed the reins instead of Koizumi and promptly ruined everything.
Nintendo was so spineless that they couldn't stick to their reboot idea and made an entire apology game, which was focused more on being an apology for Wind Waker than it was on being a good game.
OOT is all about the war. You just missed it because you like to be spoonfed by your bland Western media.
>missing sheikah civilization
How much more obvious of a hint do you need?
>OOT is all about the war
The Imprisoning War is a different event from the Hyrule Civil War, you fucking pseud.
What the hell is the Hyrule Civil War, bakagaijin?
Part of OoT's backstory
Wind Waker is the most kino Zelda, narratovely and lorewise.
>taking the zelda timeline seriously
You complaining about the STORY in BotW?
so glad they have thrown the timeline bs out the window, it was bogging the series down
BotW references other games far more than any other in the series, and I think is even the only game to contain location designs lifted wholesale from previous games
Bro, it's 10000 years in a land that somehow has world shifting cataclysms every 100 years. if the world isn't a giant jigsaw puzzle in space, I'd be surprised.
sex with zelda!
sex with Link!
Taking Hylian dick!
sex sex sex sex sex sex !
Haha imagine the smell of him emptying his balls haha
Seeing cute fanart like this makes me want to learn to draw but then remember I suck and that I don't have any cool ideas at all
Sex with Zelda!(Link)
I wish we lived in a world where the fire emblem devs made tons of licensed games
It would be cool as hell to get to play through every ancient conflict in the background of every Zelda game in an actual good genre and not Warriors shovelware
I thank the lord we don't live in a world where the fire emblem devs have made tons of licensed games.
Imagine the clusterfuck it would unleash, just look at the Warriors shit.
The Warriors games are bad because they are Warriors games, not for any other reason
>the zelink schizo is here
Make your own thread, gay.
OP here, I welcome the zelinkfag with open arms
link it if you do, anon!
im at work. it will probably just die if i dont post anon
Then I will wait patiently, anon
in 4 hours, look to the east anon.
BOTW's story is such a dumpster fire compared to the rest of the series that if Tears does literally anything to fix it I might be willing to begrudge the retarded attach monster parts to the master sword shit
Which game do you consider to be the sequel to OOT? WW or TP? I flip flopped for years but I think WW is the proper sequel as it has the Ganondorf who experienced all the events of OOT and he is definitively killed and buried at bottom of ocean with triforce and Master sword and Hyrule is left behind and the heroes move on to new lands
I knew this would happen. You misunderstood my post
I'm not wrong.
Your not really answering the question. MM is like a spin off. Either WW or TP is the conclusion of the story of OOT
TP and WW are literal fanfiction tier level writing and garbage. We have never had an end to the hero of time's story.
WW and TP are both sequels but only in the loose sense, MM is the actual follow-up and Ganondorf's fate ultimately doesn't matter given he returns in TotK
BOTW and totk are irrelevant. I only care about the story linked to OOT. Zelda finished with WW and TP.
it finished with majora's mask
TP is garbage and an asspull, WW was always meant to be the continuation of the hero of time series
It was literally always a continuation of the timeline Link abandoned
bro what. the hero of time doesn't even exist in WW timeline unless he pulled the master sword and went back, (which he didn't, as the original master sword does not exist in WW).
What is this schizo theory
it's not a theory. The master sword from WW is NOT the master sword from ocarina of time.
>TP is garbage and an asspull, WW was always meant to be the continuation of the hero of time series
Wind Waker is actually the asspull, given the Adult Timeline was meant to segue into A Link to the Past. Majora is the first continuation of OoT Link's story and TP is continuing off of that
Hyrule and Triforce and Ganondorf is the story not Link
Both games feature the Triforce, Hyrule and Ganondorf
Tp dorf hadn't experienced all the events of OOT nvkkhw
OoT Link did, and his actions directly influence TP by causing the Triforce to split
Link went back to before Ganon set his plan into motion and chased Zelda into hiding, so that hadn't happened yet
Really all he did was convince Zelda to convict Ganon of thoughtcrime and ensure he would stay assmad about it forever
The Triforce still split upon him going back, he has the Triforce of Courage when he meets child Zelda at the end of OoT and that leads to TP Ganon and Zelda having their pieces
Link's piece of the triforce was left in the adult timeline upon Zelda casting New Game+ on him, it burst into chunks and had to be physically hidden
Nobody knows why the fuck it broke containment in the child timeline, the sages just assumed it was a silly little joke from the gods
>Link's piece of the triforce was left in the adult timeline upon Zelda casting New Game+ on him
This is something WW added but isn't true in OoT, you can see the Triforce of Courage on his hand in the ending
This is also why Zelda and Link were successful in warning the King in the Child Timeline. They had the Triforce pieces as proof. The King could no longer ignore Zelda's dreams, which were confirmed as visions. Twilight Princess confirming that Link came back to Hyrule, fought Ganondorf in the war again and then died without going back to see his family is all kinds of messed up though.
>fought Ganondorf in the war again
This isn't mentioned in TP at all
>and then died
Link died an old man who was able to hone his skills
Link had a piece of the Triforce when he was sent back. But he couldn't just take it to the child timeline where there was already a Triforce of Courage, so the Triforce decided to resolve the potential paradox by having the adult timeline piece stay behind (and explode for some reason) while the child timeline Triforce instantly gave its courage piece to Link. This also caused the wisdom and power pieces to get lonely and eventually jump to Zelda and Ganon. Or something like that.
Link immediately got the child timeline Triforce when he returned. Same with Zelda and Ganon, which is how the latter survived execution.
the triforce is split in the child timeline because the triforce doesn't give a fuck about timelines
once you have even a part of it, you have it for keeps
ganondorf still had it at the end of oot, so that means zelda and link still had their respective pieces as well, so when link was sent back it time with the triforce of courage the other two pieces responded accordingly and went to zelda and ganondorf
Not possible. The temple of time doors were open when he got sent back
Well anon it would be depressing if Zelda sent Link into a sealed room to starve to death, so fuck you the doors opened when he got back.
Cool, so gannon got in then
He can enter but he can't get into the Sacred Realm since it doesn't open unless Link pulls the sword
Link was also sent back before he met Zelda, so Ganon is still with the King and able to be captured
Cool but he had to have pulled it for him to be sent to the future to be able to be sent back to begin with
Yes? We're talking about Link when he's sent back after the adventure he had in OoT, as in after he already has the Triforce of Courage
TP was really meant to be the sequel sequel to it, especially since the Hero of Time was actually in that game as a skeleton, and chronologically it covers events that happen both before and after Majora's Mask on the side of the timeline that Link goes back to
But in reality they're pretty much two different sides of the same sequel, WW focuses on Ganondorf that was defeated, and TP is about what happens as a result of the Link that won
Don't you guys have a life
>not the first post from this ip
>One iteration of the series severs its ties with the installments preceding it so that they can be free to do as they please moving forward
>Meanwhile, in this OTHER iteration of the series that's based on the iterations that DON'T sever ties with the rest of the series...
Wind Waker containing blatant references to OoT did irreparable harm to the franchise.
Miyamoto causing Aonuma to take over by personally ensuring Koizumi couldn't has ensured we will never get a Zelda game that isn't half-baked in some aspect.
OoT doing Iron Man numbers did irreparable harm to the franchise.
BOTW is a timeline convergence game. All 3 timelines started with Ocarina of Time join together in BOTW.
>different games unrelated to each other but sharing common themes are different and have a different history
whoa so hard to understand
>Wants the game to grow up with him
It's not that type of game. When you are 30+ years old and open up zelda it's to revisit your childhood when you were 8 exploring your first zelda game.
>botw seethe has now reached the level of unironically dick riding the fanfic timeline
two more months
WW leading to PH and ST is not a fanfic timeline, that's official
And? So is MM to OoT. Doesn't mean the extended timeline gayry applies outside of direct sequels. Dilate.
>Doesn't mean the extended timeline gayry applies outside of direct sequels. Dilate.
Nobody said anything about the full extended timeline, OP only mentions the Adult Timeline. Stop thinking about trannies for five minutes
>comeback 300 posts later
>you fucks still cant settle anything
Its almost like, Nintendo doesnt give a shit and the Timeline is retarded.
>he thinks TotK is a sequel to BOTW
>it's actually BOTW from one of the other timelines, that's why the world is the same
Be prepared to shit your fucking pants
>one of the other timelines
I can't believe Nintendo made an entire shitty spinoff just to make an alternate timeline to send Link to for the sequel.
Age of Calamity's quality of life improvements made it hard to go back to the first for me.
>”Skyward Sword ruined the continuity!”
>takes place at the beginning
I don’t get it
It introduced two new deities who didn't exist prior and turned every adventure into part of their pissing battle
Hylia wasn't a thing since MC?
With all the "Golden Power" wank that game has, SS just put a name to it.
It's more about how it reconfigured the mythology with Hylia's introduction resulting in them deemphasizing the Golden Goddesses going forward in favor of hard-coded Royal Family Divine Providence, Demise's curse removing Ganondorf's agency, and making the reincarnation motif really boring in the process.
For me, it’s shitting on WW and TP to shill Fujibiyashi’s oc
Would be funny if BOTW and totk are set in a 4th timeline
BOTW is in the 2d timeline as that game never had a 3d game
That timeline never*
Don't care, I'm eager to see that bad boy again.
We saw it in BotW. Zelda has it.
It had a surprisingly subdued role in the story and imagery of the game, all things considered. Obviously Zelda will call upon it and for the obligatory arrows, but other than that, kids playing BotW as their first Zelda don't even know what it is, it's not even mentioned by name, and the only representation we see of it is in the castle throne room. And maybe somewhere in the destroyed Hyrule Town, I guess.
Not that it's bad considering the tone the game went for, but I know kids these days that just don't know any more (yet)
Zelda sucks so it doesn't count.
more like it shouldn’t count because all of its previous conditions were thrown into the trash can for the sake of forcing sympathy onto zelda in hamfisted way
>actually defending the toon link games
>Wanting Steampunk Zelda
There are better ways to tell everyone you have never touched a vagina, anon
ToTK will end with Ganondorf becoming Demise and being sealed by Link (the original hero) and Hylia (Zelda being reborn as a goddess), leading to Skyward Sword. It makes a lot of sense for the timeline to be an endless cycle of destruction that never ends
The next main game will focus on breaking said cycle
I'm still not sure how the royal bloodline works. Is Zelda's mother also Zelda?
They're all Zelda and prepare accordingly, until Hylia's spirit blesses them and the Hero shows up
No, it usually goes:
In an never ending cycle.
Am I the only one wanting to go back to the "just medieval" aesthetic? I'm fed up with the ancient super advanced civilization elements we're getting since WW. And WW is the only one where it worked because the tower felt like it was just a magic place.
No anon Zelda is going to become kitchenslop with Mario aesthetics and you're going to like it
ALBW came out in 2013 and that was classic medieval adventure.
You can answer me that's been a decade but do you really count Triforce Heroes as a release alongside BotW?
Yeah, But have we gotten a 3D game like that?
I've felt this way for years, people will nitpick and say "uhh Zelda always had weird tech" but those games never placed as much emphasis on it, and in the few times it did show up it took a backseat to the rest of the medieval fantasy setting and aesthetics