Only on Logitech and Razer+Zowie everyone else is worse
there's a reason why they charge premium
but you're moronic if you spend twice as much on a mouse just because you want to use it wirelessly
I have a cable bungee I been using for years and my mice feel pretty much wireless
idk wtf you are talking about tbh. I bough a cheap as frick one off Amazon for my shitposting laptop and while I rarely ever vidya on it, only a handful of times, I dont have any issue moving my cursor.
I expect if you are playing shitty twitch aiming gay games like CSGO then maybe it would be an issue, but if you were playing that you are already a russian cheater or a homosexual anyway so you lost the game by default.
The superlight is fricking incredible. That mouse was so influential that other companies are still trying to clone it. Shame the superlight 2 is basically the same shit
>wired mouse: signal travels through the wire at the speed of light to the PC >wireless mouse: signal travels through the air at the speed of light to the PC
Can someone explain why it ever WOULDN'T be identical?
>but there are situations where you can put the receiver directly on a 2.4ghz router and you will have problems.
Of course internet traffic is going to require more drive/power/etc. than a simple mouse.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Right... So do you understand yet how you can conclude that data validation for something as simple as a mouse is a non-issue versus internet connection data?
4 months ago
Anonymous
Are you replying to the wrong guy or something? I am a pro-wireless mice guy.
same reason people fall for the wifi meme
they assume some perfect universe where electrical signals and polling rates are identical going through noncuductive air as conductive copper and never once stop to think about the claim they make
get it mixed up for ironically the reason he said.
The amount of data that needs to slam into the receiver that needs to be accurately is statistically moot for the amount of data needed to get an accurate transmit/receive.
interference
which is pretty much is never going to stop existing even if you have the dongle right next to the mouse
interference does not cause problems with such a small data stream to the extent you think it does
4k/8k polling rate is actually still magnitudes smaller than you would expect with competing signals. Even then, it doesn't change the nature of how these signals are received.
Is your understanding that every bit of data that gets blasted from the mouse to the receiver needs to land for a 99.99% accurate transmission? If so, you're operating on incorrect pretenses.
Think sperm. It will help.
Black person i've never had a wireless mouse work properly for me because of the way i have my shit set up, the signal passes through half of my pc
works fine if i bring the dongle right next to the mouses, but what's the fricking point in that case
Honestly, in the two years or so I've owned a GPX, I've never once had to think about battery life. It easily lasts 3 days+.
I just use a magnetic charging cable and let it charge whenever I can remember to.
Other anon here.
Dunno bout others but for even even though wireless mouse bats last long its still another thing I need to look after, and id rather not.
I know I could also get wireles charging mat for some mice but then I am paying extra to have a wired mouse with extra steps.
I seem to recall my G305 lasting somewhere between 9-12 months on a normal battery and something like 6 months when I eventually switched to Eneloop Pros. Though those did make the mouse noticeably heavier. Most other decent wireless mice don't seem to use this kind of battery type though, instead opting for USB recharging which is too much of a hassle IMO. No, I'm not getting wireless mouse just so I can get a wired mousepad instead.
>small change >spending practically double or even triple just because you just don't want to use a 20$ mouse bungee >even if the cable was supposedly garbage you could take the mouse apart for less than 15$ and put in a new cord
Not an argument. I live in Australia which means I can expect to pay double the dollar amount for anything sold in the US and I still only spent $50 on a Logitech G305. It's not my fault you're so moronic you overspend on hardware.
>bought a mouse for a child >is literal evidence there's no excuse for logitech to charge 150$ for a mouse
have a nice day
right now
4 months ago
Anonymous
Another compelling argument.
4 months ago
Anonymous
no argument btw you're trans
4 months ago
Anonymous
>G305 is a mouse for a child
Oh sorry I forgot that the big kids in junior high all have neon light up Razor CobraDeathAnus 5000s made for real Gaymers™.
A normal mouse that's wireless and costs $40 just can't compete.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>a normal mouse >g305
4 months ago
Anonymous
Pick two
4 months ago
Anonymous
Every zowie mouse in existence+vaxee
Pretty much is not the same you bungie cuck.
skill issue
4 months ago
Anonymous
>neon light up Razor CobraDeathAnus 5000s
Funny how the logitech superlight is just black or white. No bullshit going on.
>I live in Australia which means I can expect to pay double the dollar amount
It's not "double" Not even fricking close.
Yes our dollar is worth less but we earn MORE DOLLARS.
Anyway comparison
Superlight X 2 $160USD (Microcenter) roughly $245 AUD direct conversion
Same fricking mouse in Australia $229 AUD roughly $150 USD
Same fricking price basically.
4 months ago
Anonymous
and double for the kids that failed Math would be $320AUD but it's $100 less than that
4 months ago
Anonymous
And? I'm not gonna explain global currency conversions to some moronic OP on Ganker complaining about wireless mice. 60% is closer to 100% than his estimate of a wireless mouse costing $150.
You don't know what a scam is. Big profit margin items are not scams just because you don't think they are worth that amount of money. If the product is what it's advertised as then it's not a scam.
I've been hardstuck at diamond in valo and master in apex, I'm pretty sure the wireless mouse isn't the bottleneck to my skill.
Be fricking honest with yourself, seriously, you think that 2 miliseconds of lag is what's stopping you from going pro or some shit?
mice have been solved techology for almost a decade, and in the past 5 years for wireless pick the pros and cons of running wired versus wireless and shut the frick up about it.
You trade wire drag versus having the change the batteries/tracking interference, that is fricking all.
Anything else here is a larp of the highest order, whatever moron here is arguing about paying double has no meaningful exposure towards what options actually exist at hear identical performance
shit has been snake oil since wireless has been solved, and none of you are statistically performant enough to ever begin to tell.
half of you trying to make informed gaming mice purchase decisions are better off improving your rank by paying for therapy
why are you speaking with absolutes? read with nuance, motherfricker. I said you're either dealing with changing batteries OR interference.
Since your inept ass needs this spelled out for you to make this conversation even more fricking pointless not every solution has an internal battery, and some of the best cost to performance wireless options require changing batteries.
Giving a single frick about others mice purchases is some teenager tier energy anways, and it's clear this thread is full of parrots who haven't had much meaningful exposure to options for over a few years.
The value of money has become meaningless to millions of people under 40 because they can never afford a house, new car, and loving family and are usually too emasculated to do anything dangerous with what they do have either so they just spend tons of money on bullshit.
Wireless versions of the same model of mouse are significantly, and indeed often 100% more expensive.
I Own 3 G305 mice here.
There are two real problems that happen with the mouse. The first is that the scroll wheel rubber WILL expand after about two years and start rubbing against the rest of the chassis.
The second problem, which you mention, is actually related to poor hygiene and mouse upkeep. This is simply an issue of keeping the mouse clean to prevent clicking issues.
I have had two of them, both have broken in the exact same way, both in about a year. Mouse upkeep? Get real, a year is barely enough to collect a significant amount of gunk, let alone an amount where it would be expected for it to break something. Besides, the left/right mouse button space was completely clean, only the side buttons had some dirt, which surprise, still worked perfectly fine.
That's fine to admit you have a limited amount of experience with the mouse. For context, the space between the L/R buttons and the chassis is not where the issue stems from, it stems from gunk entering near the mouse wheel and side buttons, which you have admitted has had gunk buildup. Have you ever tried opening one of these mice up to look at how the left/right click buttons work?
Again, I maintain that the issues you experienced are due to poor hygiene. There's no need to self-report yourself like this. The mice has real, demonstrable issues, yours however are likely self inflicted.
Trolling used to be a art.
Wow you really spelled that apology wrong. You can start by saying "I am sorry I clearly am inferior in my knowledge and conduct on this subject, I kneel to you and your supreme authority, o mouse-preacher kun".
You are not reading between the lines. I am agreeing the mouse has issues, I am stating for this to happen within a year, that anon has clear hygiene issues.
I am not saying this mouse does not have "protection" (fricking lol, you have no idea what you are talking about).
4 months ago
Anonymous
I legitimately have never cleaned a mouse before other than rare clear build up which takes years and the only mouse that has ever double clicked on me was a shitty coolermaster mouse with the worst switches and a Razer mouse with toilet paper switches
4 months ago
Anonymous
>I have never cleaned a mouse > I have experienced double clicking, a generally uncommon mouse issue (please apply nuance before you take this the wrong way) twice
Pottery.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>shitty mice with shitty build quality and parts? double clicking no way!
4 months ago
Anonymous
I hate to burst your bubble, but almost every single one of the brands here is loaded with chineseium with different kinds of window dressing. again, pick. your. poison, don't be tribalistic about it.
What fricking hygiene issues? I don't eat cheetos while working on the computer, I wash my hands when I've been outside or get anything on them, I don't have abnormal amounts of sweat or anything, what the frick am I supposed to do to be able to use a fricking mouse normally more than year? Which by the way, no other mouse in my decades of PC use has ever had anything similar. But sure, my "hygiene" is the problem, not Logitech's garbage production quality.
We can explore it together, crack open the mouse and screenshot the internals.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>chineseium >Old Razer >Coolermaster
get it right it's toilet paperium
4 months ago
Anonymous
What fricking hygiene issues? I don't eat cheetos while working on the computer, I wash my hands when I've been outside or get anything on them, I don't have abnormal amounts of sweat or anything, what the frick am I supposed to do to be able to use a fricking mouse normally more than year? Which by the way, no other mouse in my decades of PC use has ever had anything similar. But sure, my "hygiene" is the problem, not Logitech's garbage production quality.
my g305 hasn't had the scroll wheel expand but i barely touch the wheel since it's only in use when gaming
the true problem is the low quality plastic turning shiny and losing its texture
>g703 lightspeed >powerplay wireless charging mat underneath a deskmat >get to enjoy the lowest latency plus no wires and no manual battery charging while having plenty of flick space
I spent $30 for the mouse and have had it for almost half a decade. cut out this revisionist bullshit. again, why are you here, criticising a subject you are clearly ignorant of? are you lonely or something?
4 months ago
Anonymous
see
my shitty g400 from over a decade ago will outlast ur shitty no wire mouse
I spent $30 for the mouse and have had it for almost half a decade. cut out this revisionist bullshit. again, why are you here, criticising a subject you are clearly ignorant of? are you lonely or something?
>you will never find a(n) X that doesn't have issues over the long term
I find that this is always patently false except when it comes to printers. A vizio TV will work until the sun explodes. You can trust a sensei mouse to have all the buttons working in 3 years. you can throw a Samsung monitor through a wall and it will be fine. A KIA car will never break down.
funny how wiredgays don't have a real argument against wireless now other than >b-but it's too expensive
sucks to suck. try not being poor
I don't use wireless cause I see no upsides and a couple downsides. my friend is constantly saying >my headset died >my mouse died >my keyboard died
but you do you.
why are you representing an argument I didn't make? Why are you giving an example of a mouse after only three years? Do you have a reading comprehension problem? >I don't use wireless cause I see no upsides and a couple downsides. my friend is constantly saying
Ignorant due to the ineptitude and anecdote of a friend.
Please demonstrate why it's worth listening to you in any capacity. Why do you think you have anything valuable to say here?
>you will never identify a(n) X that doesn't have long term failures or issues. stop being a worthless contrarian.
why are you representing an argument I didn't make? Why are you giving an example of a mouse after only three years? Do you have a reading comprehension problem? >I don't use wireless cause I see no upsides and a couple downsides. my friend is constantly saying
Ignorant due to the ineptitude and anecdote of a friend.
Please demonstrate why it's worth listening to you in any capacity. Why do you think you have anything valuable to say here?
>why are you representing an argument I didn't make?
Okay, so you do genuinely have a reading comprehension issue. Please show me where I made the argument about X. It was about mice.
Go ahead anon. I will genuinely accept an apology and be happy to move on.
>double clicks >spend 10min with soldering iron and $2 in new switches once ever 2+ years
Still use my g300 from 2010. Probably been closer to 4yrs now since i last replaced the switches. the omron ones that every manufacturer uses are pretty bad. The kaihl blacks i replaced them with last cycle have a really nice feel and seem to be a lot more durable. Never had any scroll wheel issues so im not really sure what you're on about there.
theres no excuse for not being able to learn to do simple things in this day and age. everything is a youtube or google search away. If you dont know how to operate and maintain things you use on a daily basis you are a failure as a human being, simple as.
>>I can sell the product that costs the same amount to make but charge twice for no real reason other than I can get away with it
Yes, not a scam >>but muh free market
irrelevant goalpost shift
wired is fine if you don't play anything competitive, budget mice are good enough for that. I don't even understand why people complain about mice prices when the very top end mice that pros use like the logitech superlight cost like $60USD on sale.
>except a fever dream where the wire comes alive and coils itself around shit like jormungandr.
Notice how you attempt to make it seem like it's not a real thing, when almost every single person who has ever gamed on a good wireless mouse says that they won't ever go back to wired?
>Gankerners autistically rationalize their tribalism over mice, they defend their inane rationalizations through admission of never intentionally challenging their own viewpoints by trying competing options >you are reading this, thinking you are somehow different
>This poster has clearly communicated he has demonstrated he has tried both options, and has made no commentary towards either >Yes, he is criticizing himself. It must be true, i'll hit him with a "no u".
Be better.
I got wireless mouse but use it wired 95% of time. Only when playing csgo I go wireless. Then again, if you buy a new mouse once every 2-5 years the frick does it matter if it costs 10-80 euros more? Fricking buy less energy drinks for a week.
>it's not a scam because I want to price it that way
brb time to enter the medical industry and charge 60$ a painkiller
Take it up with the FTC big boy. Otherwise get back to being crushed under the same boot as the rest of us and learn when to properly apply the word.
You dilute the meaning of scam when you say you don't like a business practice.
>dilute
okay but what is 1+1 but don't say 2 >I can sell the product that costs the same amount to make but charge twice for no real reason other than I can get away with it >but muh free market
but muh free market is quite literally the rebuttal, going "muh" doesn't change this reality.
Vote with your wallet. If a merchant is getting away with the upmark, that's on them.
I guarantee you're misrepresenting the situation anways (since you actually don't how much the wireless capability costs). If you expect a mouse to be $2.00 to make, and your wireless variant to be $4.00 to make, do you seriously expect them to not preserve the ratio of cost to profit equally?
>>I can sell the product that costs the same amount to make but charge twice for no real reason other than I can get away with it
Yes, not a scam >>but muh free market
irrelevant goalpost shift
>make a wood carving, sell it for $5.00 >make another near identical wood carving, sell it for $10.00
This is not a scam. Customers can choose not to buy it.,
there's no need to out yourself as a moron like this. where i'm from, the government limits the rate of rent increases to be aligned with inflation. In the rest of the functioning world, you spend that time with an unoccupied home while your price adjusts back to reality.
You must be uneducated if this is the comparison you are trying to make.
I thought about economics like this when I was 14. I would pay significant amounts of money to time travel you back to when bartering was a required skill in life.
Identical or "perceptually identical"?
Does it require to move a small connection thing close to your mousepad?
Both. Depends on the mouse - the dongle can be attached to your PC, but you can use a cable to put it on your desk and transmit from there.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Do you actually think that things cost the amount they do only because of the goodness of peoples heart to not increase it any more? lmao
>make a wood carving, sell it for $5.00 >make another near identical wood carving, sell it for $10.00
This is not a scam. Customers can choose not to buy it.,
there's no need to out yourself as a moron like this. where i'm from, the government limits the rate of rent increases to be aligned with inflation. In the rest of the functioning world, you spend that time with an unoccupied home while your price adjusts back to reality.
You must be uneducated if this is the comparison you are trying to make.
it's only right for me to earn more than you and you to have no roof over your head
you should honestly be living in cages like animals
4 months ago
Anonymous
>lose face >start having a melty
4 months ago
Anonymous
You should learn about the history and context that has enabled the relative life of luxury you live.
It's okay to be ignorant, just stop pretending you have a fully developed worldview if you're posting shit like this.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>pretending jeff bezos wouldn't poison you in your sleep once he gets tired of you leeching off him
4 months ago
Anonymous
What part of anything I have said thinks I am defending your boogeyman example?
Don't get it twisted, I am calling you ignorant, nothing more.
4 months ago
Anonymous
a couple of hundreds of years ago people would have executed you on the spot for defending rich people
but such is the way of modern living where people are getting turned into moronic dogs
4 months ago
Anonymous
you're the one here failing to understand one of the most basic tenets of economics (which also applied in your 1820's example). post country.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>implying 1820s is old
4 months ago
Anonymous
>he doesn't even know the meaning of couple
Man you really are dumb.
4 months ago
Anonymous
curious yet you are dumber than me
4 months ago
Anonymous
>anon giving an anecdotal example from his home country that hasn't developed societally in 200 years
>implying 1820s is old
You're right, 200 years ago you would have been low class chattle as well. I concede.
Motherfrickler, you're the one who gave the example of a couple of hundreds of years ago. How ESL are you?
4 months ago
Anonymous
sorry, replied to the wrong guy, i'm sure you follow
same reason people fall for the wifi meme
they assume some perfect universe where electrical signals and polling rates are identical going through noncuductive air as conductive copper and never once stop to think about the claim they make
You fail to understand the principles of a 2.4 GHZ receiver and the magnitudes of data handling differentials you need to get a quick accurate response on a mouse compared to a multi megabit connection.
One of the first mice that used this technology was the G305 and had an extremely low MSRP. What are you talking about?
It's embarrassing you think that I haven't realized you're a marketer.
don't flatter yourself, I haven't even posted a single product image or reference to any mouse aside from the G305 in this entire thread, a 8 year old mouse.
Maybe because it's just better? >Muh latency
Nobody cares about this unless you're one of those subhuman ghouls who plays competitive shooters. Even so, the difference is near nonexistent that it barely matter even for actual pro players. Some Russian kid would still destroy you with his Ali express mouse anyway. >Muh batteries
Qi charging / Qi Pad is a thing, most people charge their electronics when they're asleep, buying a backup mouse is also a thing >Muh price
Stop being poor
It's the year 2024 anon. The tech has caught up and you can no longer use sensor/click latency or build quality as an excuse. Wireless do everything better or just as good. The high tier ones also have batteries that will last at least a week or two without needing charging. The pink mouse in your pic can be found for $50 and it mogs most other mice
only when it's on sale a specific time of the year and even then it's shit compared to a wired mouse like a ec2 because logitech never has been good at making mice the right size and shape
>Wireless do everything better or just as good. >upsides
1. Can be used at any distance from the computer >downsides:
1- weighs more because needs battery. 2- battery need to be recharged
There is no reason to use a wireless mouse at a desk
>frictionless experience
the best aimer in the world prefers his wireless mouse wired
4 months ago
Anonymous
the anecdotes of the "best" aimers has included subjectively questionable decisions over the years.
You cannot reasonably think a subjective anecdote from a pro player counteracts another. You have assumed I am speaking towards a shooter experience, why did you do that?
4 months ago
Anonymous
>subjectively questionable decisions over the years
there's nothing questionable about it hes clearly the best he makes everyone else look like children >why did you do that?
because unless you are a extremely casual gay it makes no sense to care about friction of the cable
cable or no cable is a skill issue
the biggest problem is the height of your desk and pad it self and your skill
4 months ago
Anonymous
>because unless you are a extremely casual gay it makes no sense to care about friction of the cable
Your view of possible use cases of a wireless mouse is demonstrably narrow-minded. Again, why are you acting as if the benefits and cons to your mouse choice is exclusive to shooter utilization?
Why are you wasting keystrokes?
>there's nothing questionable about it hes clearly the best he makes everyone else look like children
That's not what I have said. I have said the practices of professionals is anecdotal and preference based. Each brain works in a different way, and the connected feeling of a wired mouse might gel with them better. Trying to conflate this as the evidence to use to support one over the other is poor quality.
4 months ago
Anonymous
the cable makes little to no difference and if you're a casual gay it makes no difference if you have a office mouse or a gaming mouse
other than you feel good about wasting money on shit you don''t need
no one cares if you prefer a wireless mouse and play shitty games like diablo
4 months ago
Anonymous
Did you forget what the OP asked? Why are you saying no one cares if you use a wireless mouse if there are genuine applications for the connection type?
4 months ago
Anonymous
>little to no difference
so you're saying it can make a difference. weird, I thought this whole thread has been whinging over the minutia of differences between the types.
Frick me.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>other than you feel good about wasting money on shit you don''t need
The truth comes out. You are just angry because you're not financially in a place to be able to buy high end wireless mice. Are you also the kind of person who claims that anything above 60 FPS + 60hz is "a waste of money"?
4 months ago
Anonymous
>financially in a place to buy high end wireless mice
no one is in that place other than rich people and pro players who get their mice for free
it makes no logical sense to pay twice as much for a product that is bound to break in a few years
4 months ago
Anonymous
>no one is in that place other than rich people
You think someone needs to be rich to be able to spend $100-$120 on a mouse? What country are you from?
>it makes no logical sense to pay twice as much for a product that is bound to break in a few years
Playing video games is probably one of the least expensive hobbies compared to how much you get out of it, versus most other hobbies.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>price of everything goes up >wages do not increase >you think someone needs to be rich to be able to spend $100-120 on a mouse?
yes. >what country are you from?
that's irrelevant. >Playing video games is probably one of the least expensive hobbies
and? you'll get way better value out of something else instead of paying 60$ to not have a cable
4 months ago
Anonymous
>that's irrelevant.
It's not irrelevant. $100 to me in Denmark is absolutely nothing, for example.
>and? you'll get way better value out of something else instead of paying 60$ to not have a cable
This is like saying that a 4090 is "useless" because you can get "more value" from a 1080 Ti.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>This is like saying that a 4090 is "useless" because you can get more "more value" from a 1080 ti
that's objectively true for the small price of having better cable management you get to enjoy more games or pizza
4 months ago
Anonymous
>that's objectively true
You have no idea what objectively means. You are talking about subjective opinions, not objective facts. 4090 is objectively better than a 1080 Ti. However, when it comes to purchasing a 4090 or a 1080 Ti, then the subjective opinion/situation can play into it.
4 months ago
Anonymous
the average person does not care about 4k or high frame rates
4 months ago
Anonymous
where do you think you are?
why are you pivoting to audience fit? for all it fricking matters the "average" consumer doesn't give a frick about any metric
4 months ago
Anonymous
>where do you think you are?
normal gay central
if it wasn't this place wouldn't be full of Black folk who play nothing but garbage
4 months ago
Anonymous
>the average person does not care about 4k or high frame rates
Okay, so?
>1- weighs more because needs battery. 2- battery need to be recharged
This is not true at all, considering that all the high-end wireless mice weigh less than the vast majority of wired mice. You can even get a fricking UltralightX that's like 31g.
Not to mention all of these new wireless mice can also be used in wired mode. I still wouldn't recommend a finalmouse though. Those homosexuals have only lied in their marketing. Get a Beast X instead for much cheaper. Or wait for WL mouse to release an updated version in the future
LOL. I can tell your dumbass has only bought shit cheap wireless mice. Go ahead and buy an actual expensive one first before talking shit. Wireless mice these days can weigh as less as 20-30 g bud. Signal interference is also no longer a thing with today's dongles and receivers. The mouse I'm using rn weighs less than 40g and last 2-3 days on a single charge at 2k polling rate. Don't fight change. Accept it.
Stop coping. It's ok if you want to overspend on pointless features.
>Stop coping
Said the guy who is so delusional that he chooses to live in an alternate reality, because he just can't admit that he was uninformed and uneducated, and still thought that wireless mice technology was stuck in 2012.
You original post didn't refute any of my claims, you just coped that it was good enough for you.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>You original post didn't refute any of my claims
I literally gave you an example of how the lightest possible high end mouse you can get is a wireless one, you moron.
4 months ago
Anonymous
You might want to reread your post
4 months ago
Anonymous
Are you mentally handicapped?
4 months ago
Anonymous
No but you seem to be.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>No
You are mentally handicapped, or you wouldn't have made such a moronic claim such as "wireless mice are heavier".
4 months ago
Anonymous
>batteries are weightless
uh huh. Meanwhile look what i just found lmao.
4 months ago
Anonymous
You know it's getting bad when you're combing google for affirmation on whatever point you're trying to prove at this point
4 months ago
Anonymous
For your cope, yeah it's not looking good
4 months ago
Anonymous
I own and utilize both kinds of mouse to best fit the use case of each. I have a total count of 8 mice across my house, guess the ratio of each type
4 months ago
Anonymous
Cool story bro. Do you have a blog where I could read more about your life and the mice you own?
4 months ago
Anonymous
>using Zaunkoenig as his one example
Okay, now show me 5 wired high end mice and their weights, and I'll be able to counter them with 5 wireless high end mice that are lighter.
4 months ago
Anonymous
It literally doesn't matter. I don't need 5 mice, I need one.
4 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not that anon... but please tell me how your brain works to come to the conclusion that a mouse that has an external power source is not lighter than a mouse that needs an internal power source?
One is mouse internals + shell
The other is mouse internals + shell + battery
One has to be heavier.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>but please tell me how your brain works to come to the conclusion that a mouse that has an external power source is not lighter than a mouse that needs an internal power source?
Because both you and him are GROSSLY misinformed about the weight of batteries.
>One has to be heavier.
And yet you can get mice like GPXS that's 60g, DAV3 Pro that's 64g, Viper V2 Pro that's 58g, Pulsar X2V2 that's 53g, FM Starlight12 that's 47g, Razer Viper Mini Signature that's 49g, UltralightX that's 31g/35g/37g, Beast X that's 39-42g.
4 months ago
Anonymous
No, I'm definitely not misinformed about the weight of batteries. Batteries at least in my dimension have a positive weight, as in their weight in more than 0. Which means in no shape way or form will a wireless mouse be lighter than an equal wired mouse. Since a wired mouse is taking its power from the outside, while the wireless mouse has to have both the battery(its power source with positive weight) and the "wire"(bluetooth/whatever wireless connection it uses, also with positive weight) built in.
So what you get with a lot of the mice you are listing is huuuuuge corner cutting to make their weight. And still wired mice beating them in weight itself. Because thanks to physics its impossible for them to be equal in performance and lighter. What you are trying to prove is that 2+2=3
4 months ago
Anonymous
I directly gave you a small list of lightweight wireless mice. Now give me an equal list of high end lightweight wired mice.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Your are a poor quality communicator. The other anon is rightfully raking you over the coals. You are partially correct that internally powered solutions CAN be inherently heavier, however I think you have NO idea how light modern battery solutions are. modern design has produced extremely light mice that outperform wired competitors in terms of weight. You can find examples of wireless mice variants that are actually lighter compared to their wired variant so they clearly cut some room to make these mice work.
Another thing that you are not acknowledging is that cable drag does add to the weight of the mouse in the range of 20-30g.
LOL. I can tell your dumbass has only bought shit cheap wireless mice. Go ahead and buy an actual expensive one first before talking shit. Wireless mice these days can weigh as less as 20-30 g bud. Signal interference is also no longer a thing with today's dongles and receivers. The mouse I'm using rn weighs less than 40g and last 2-3 days on a single charge at 2k polling rate. Don't fight change. Accept it.
Anyone got their hands on this yet? I'm one of those freaks who actually uses an MX master alongside a regular gaymen mouse since I actually use the side scroll wheel for work.
It's so fricking annoying how logitech just refuses to put a half decent sensor on their supposedly "pro" mouse line. Not having those shitty rubber plastic that disintegrate after 2 years is also a plus too.
wirless made sense like 17 years ago when the wires for mice were heavy and would drag along as you moved them
these days wires are so light you cant even feel that they are there
>these days wires are so light you cant even feel that they are there
If you use low sens + low DPI, it's a world of difference to not have ANY cable drag or limitation ever. Not to mention that +70% of professional players across multiple games who play for millions of dollars use wireless mice.
I use logitech and I don't even want to go back to wired. >But the heckin recharge time
I'm not full time gamer so once a week I just plug it in for an hour or so and the battery goes from 20% to 100%
>>have to charge so it's not really wireless
this homie complaining about having a wired mouse for 30 minutes a day so you should just have a wired mouse for 24 hrs a day instead
kek
My mouse lasts 100 hours on a full charge. It takes a little over 1 hour for it to fully charge, and I can use it as a wired mouse while it's charging. And I've never heard of anyone having their cable break.
No, you don't. Do you even know how newer wireless mice work? You just have a cable that's USB on one end in your computer and a dongle on the other end that's on your table in front of your mousepad. Then you detach the dongle from the cable and insert the cable into your mouse. It takes like 5 seconds.
4 months ago
Anonymous
other anon
Or you could just get a wired mouse.
Plug it to the back of the PC and forget about it.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Did your read my post? My mouse can function as both wireless and wired. I choose for it to be wireless 99.99% of the time.
I see we are now moving into schizo theory. If your theory was true(it isn't) then why do the vast majority of semi-professional players then also use wireless mice? And why has no highly ranked player in any game ever "called out" that these professional players are using "inferior" products just because they are sponsored?
>ebin at extremely low sens it makes practically no difference
What are you saying? If you use low DPI and low sens, then you will feel your cable much more than if you use a normal or high sens.
low dpi low sens you still move the mouse the same distance unless you are mentally handicapped and playing a game like overwatch
and arguably we're not taking in consideration of mouse skates and pad friction
4 months ago
Anonymous
>low dpi low sens you still move the mouse the same distance
What the frick are you talking about? You must live in a completely different reality. The whole reason why there's 50cm x 50cm mousepads is because you move the mouse WAY MORE when you have low DPI and low sens.
4 months ago
Anonymous
in cs go you almost never 180 and if you are you are practically dead anyways if it's about reacting
so you still are using the same amount of mouse pad
50x50 cm mousepads aren't even used in competitive cs and if they had a real demand they would be actually on normal retail sites rather than some sperg's site where you have to pay for shipping and have dozens of options that make no logical sense at just a glance
4 months ago
Anonymous
Okay, so you are just COMPLETELY fricking clueless about everything. Virtually everyone in CS uses mousepads that are between 45-50cm.
https://prosettings.net/lists/cs2/
4 months ago
Anonymous
all of those pads are 45cm
nothing has changed in a decade qck still on top
I don't like my mouse having a cable, it's annoying because from time to time it creates slight friction
I don't play FPS games anyway I don't care about latency
Only reason I wanted a wireless mouse is because of shit Logitech wired cord. Then I switched to a Glorious brand mouse and will never get wireless or Logitech mouse
latency time for wireless and wired meeces are identical
Only on Logitech and Razer+Zowie everyone else is worse
there's a reason why they charge premium
but you're moronic if you spend twice as much on a mouse just because you want to use it wirelessly
I have a cable bungee I been using for years and my mice feel pretty much wireless
idk wtf you are talking about tbh. I bough a cheap as frick one off Amazon for my shitposting laptop and while I rarely ever vidya on it, only a handful of times, I dont have any issue moving my cursor.
I expect if you are playing shitty twitch aiming gay games like CSGO then maybe it would be an issue, but if you were playing that you are already a russian cheater or a homosexual anyway so you lost the game by default.
>cs go
>twitch aim
you're mentally moronic son
obviously a casual peasant like you wouldn't be able to tell the difference
Pretty much is not the same you bungie cuck.
good thang i have Razer DeathAdder v2x wireless then
Logitech Superlight is instantaneous and has been on sale so many times now, there's no excuse
The superlight is fricking incredible. That mouse was so influential that other companies are still trying to clone it. Shame the superlight 2 is basically the same shit
>spent 80 on a wireless mouse
>literally the same price or less than wired mice
>no latency issues
Identical or "perceptually identical"?
Does it require to move a small connection thing close to your mousepad?
>wired mouse: signal travels through the wire at the speed of light to the PC
>wireless mouse: signal travels through the air at the speed of light to the PC
Can someone explain why it ever WOULDN'T be identical?
interference
which is pretty much is never going to stop existing even if you have the dongle right next to the mouse
>interference
Can you provide a SINGLE piece of evidence that shows this mouse "interference" being real?
I'm not defending him - but there are situations where you can put the receiver directly on a 2.4ghz router and you will have problems.
Sorry, the confidence you had inflating the size of something small had me figure you had compensation problems. I'll adjust my tone bro.
>but there are situations where you can put the receiver directly on a 2.4ghz router and you will have problems.
Of course internet traffic is going to require more drive/power/etc. than a simple mouse.
Right... So do you understand yet how you can conclude that data validation for something as simple as a mouse is a non-issue versus internet connection data?
Are you replying to the wrong guy or something? I am a pro-wireless mice guy.
Anon's like this this idiot
get it mixed up for ironically the reason he said.
The amount of data that needs to slam into the receiver that needs to be accurately is statistically moot for the amount of data needed to get an accurate transmit/receive.
interference does not cause problems with such a small data stream to the extent you think it does
>such a small data stream
4k/8k polling rate isn't a small data stream
>4k/8k polling rate isn't a small data stream
4k/8k polling rate is actually still magnitudes smaller than you would expect with competing signals. Even then, it doesn't change the nature of how these signals are received.
Is your understanding that every bit of data that gets blasted from the mouse to the receiver needs to land for a 99.99% accurate transmission? If so, you're operating on incorrect pretenses.
Think sperm. It will help.
>think sperm. it will help
I'm not a homosexual so no it won't
>reporting mouse coordinates 8000 times a second is not a small data stream
don't tell him, anons.
Black person i've never had a wireless mouse work properly for me because of the way i have my shit set up, the signal passes through half of my pc
works fine if i bring the dongle right next to the mouses, but what's the fricking point in that case
>works fine if i bring the dongle right next to the mouses, but what's the fricking point in that case
To not have a cable.
The limiting factor isn't signal transmission speed it's the overhead required by wireless protocols to setup and maintain the connection.
>wireless
>lightspeed
lol
Someones inform the hues their latency has dropped to 40ms as of this gay's post
>meeces
This
Do people still believe in the wirless le bad meme?
There is no difference between wired and wireless mice, even cheap ones. There are test videos on youtube.
works on my machine
The average person is stupid as frick
Wireless shit is annoying. I'd rather just have wired so I never have to worry about charging/replacing batteries, or random connection issues.
Wired just werks™
Honestly, in the two years or so I've owned a GPX, I've never once had to think about battery life. It easily lasts 3 days+.
I just use a magnetic charging cable and let it charge whenever I can remember to.
>I'd rather just have wired so I never have to worry about charging/replacing batteries
Just buy a battery charger m8, it's not that hard.
>says they dont want to have to worry about charging
>just buy a battery charger m8
Read, and respect what this motherfricker is saying to you.
>dude just make your wireless mouse wired, lol?
I haven't replaced my wireless mouse batteries in 7 frickin months and I use it every day.
Because it's a garbage office mouse.
It's a logitech and I've never had an issue with it but ok troon
Other anon here.
Dunno bout others but for even even though wireless mouse bats last long its still another thing I need to look after, and id rather not.
I know I could also get wireles charging mat for some mice but then I am paying extra to have a wired mouse with extra steps.
I seem to recall my G305 lasting somewhere between 9-12 months on a normal battery and something like 6 months when I eventually switched to Eneloop Pros. Though those did make the mouse noticeably heavier. Most other decent wireless mice don't seem to use this kind of battery type though, instead opting for USB recharging which is too much of a hassle IMO. No, I'm not getting wireless mouse just so I can get a wired mousepad instead.
I replace the battery in mine maybe once or twice a year.
Never had a connection issue because I don't live in a microwave.
Don't wireless mice have some kind of wireless charging these days? My toothbrush has had that for over a decade.
but how do i connect the wireless charger?
I use a laptop because of work and stuff and it's easier to just have a bt mouse than fondling with a cable every time.
What's the scam?
there's no real price difference in the making of either one that would be make logical sense for it to cost 120-150$
You can't sweat small change like that. The alternative is using a wired mouse.
>small change
>spending practically double or even triple just because you just don't want to use a 20$ mouse bungee
>even if the cable was supposedly garbage you could take the mouse apart for less than 15$ and put in a new cord
It's not that much for the mouse I bought.
If you are already buying mice where this is true, you've fallen for another scam.
at that point might as well use a controller
>cost 120-150$
>schizo is too lazy to search google
Not an argument. I live in Australia which means I can expect to pay double the dollar amount for anything sold in the US and I still only spent $50 on a Logitech G305. It's not my fault you're so moronic you overspend on hardware.
>bought a mouse for a child
>is literal evidence there's no excuse for logitech to charge 150$ for a mouse
have a nice day
right now
Another compelling argument.
no argument btw you're trans
>G305 is a mouse for a child
Oh sorry I forgot that the big kids in junior high all have neon light up Razor CobraDeathAnus 5000s made for real Gaymers™.
A normal mouse that's wireless and costs $40 just can't compete.
>a normal mouse
>g305
Pick two
Every zowie mouse in existence+vaxee
skill issue
>neon light up Razor CobraDeathAnus 5000s
Funny how the logitech superlight is just black or white. No bullshit going on.
>I live in Australia which means I can expect to pay double the dollar amount
It's not "double" Not even fricking close.
Yes our dollar is worth less but we earn MORE DOLLARS.
Anyway comparison
Superlight X 2 $160USD (Microcenter) roughly $245 AUD direct conversion
Same fricking mouse in Australia $229 AUD roughly $150 USD
Same fricking price basically.
and double for the kids that failed Math would be $320AUD but it's $100 less than that
And? I'm not gonna explain global currency conversions to some moronic OP on Ganker complaining about wireless mice. 60% is closer to 100% than his estimate of a wireless mouse costing $150.
What's the scantho? I bought my wireless death adder v2 pro like 4+ four years ago for $65 and it's still trucking.
You don't know what a scam is. Big profit margin items are not scams just because you don't think they are worth that amount of money. If the product is what it's advertised as then it's not a scam.
>it's not a scam because I want to price it that way
brb time to enter the medical industry and charge 60$ a painkiller
My vertical mouse is wireless
My gayman mouse is wired
Simple as
can't get any wired mice anymore
I hate normalgays
bought logitech G305 for 25 bucks
>Why
Marketing. Some people unironically buy shit that was advertised to them.
So basically consoomers.
I just cant stand the feeling of the wire pulling and binding when when im in a high stress situation and need accuracy
I've been hardstuck at diamond in valo and master in apex, I'm pretty sure the wireless mouse isn't the bottleneck to my skill.
Be fricking honest with yourself, seriously, you think that 2 miliseconds of lag is what's stopping you from going pro or some shit?
I have the Superlight2, it's a good mouse. But the G203 is still a very decent wired alternative that costs about a 5th of the price.
I don’t like having to worry about a wire getting tangled. I have a wired keyboard because that doesn’t move
they took away my extra weights of the newest G502 and I will never forgive them
For me, it’s pulsar with the dongle.
>wireless mouse
>look inside
>magnets
mice have been solved techology for almost a decade, and in the past 5 years for wireless pick the pros and cons of running wired versus wireless and shut the frick up about it.
You trade wire drag versus having the change the batteries/tracking interference, that is fricking all.
Anything else here is a larp of the highest order, whatever moron here is arguing about paying double has no meaningful exposure towards what options actually exist at hear identical performance
shit has been snake oil since wireless has been solved, and none of you are statistically performant enough to ever begin to tell.
half of you trying to make informed gaming mice purchase decisions are better off improving your rank by paying for therapy
>change the batteries
lol you stupid fricking moron wireless charging is a solved problem too. Changing batteries? Pfft HAHAHAHAHAHA
why are you speaking with absolutes? read with nuance, motherfricker. I said you're either dealing with changing batteries OR interference.
Since your inept ass needs this spelled out for you to make this conversation even more fricking pointless not every solution has an internal battery, and some of the best cost to performance wireless options require changing batteries.
Giving a single frick about others mice purchases is some teenager tier energy anways, and it's clear this thread is full of parrots who haven't had much meaningful exposure to options for over a few years.
The value of money has become meaningless to millions of people under 40 because they can never afford a house, new car, and loving family and are usually too emasculated to do anything dangerous with what they do have either so they just spend tons of money on bullshit.
Wireless versions of the same model of mouse are significantly, and indeed often 100% more expensive.
Because I want to game from my couch sometimes. Wireless mechanical keyboards seem a bit more rare though
The G305 is a scam, but not because it's wireless. The clicking will break in about a year however.
I Own 3 G305 mice here.
There are two real problems that happen with the mouse. The first is that the scroll wheel rubber WILL expand after about two years and start rubbing against the rest of the chassis.
The second problem, which you mention, is actually related to poor hygiene and mouse upkeep. This is simply an issue of keeping the mouse clean to prevent clicking issues.
I have had two of them, both have broken in the exact same way, both in about a year. Mouse upkeep? Get real, a year is barely enough to collect a significant amount of gunk, let alone an amount where it would be expected for it to break something. Besides, the left/right mouse button space was completely clean, only the side buttons had some dirt, which surprise, still worked perfectly fine.
That's fine to admit you have a limited amount of experience with the mouse. For context, the space between the L/R buttons and the chassis is not where the issue stems from, it stems from gunk entering near the mouse wheel and side buttons, which you have admitted has had gunk buildup. Have you ever tried opening one of these mice up to look at how the left/right click buttons work?
Again, I maintain that the issues you experienced are due to poor hygiene. There's no need to self-report yourself like this. The mice has real, demonstrable issues, yours however are likely self inflicted.
Wow you really spelled that apology wrong. You can start by saying "I am sorry I clearly am inferior in my knowledge and conduct on this subject, I kneel to you and your supreme authority, o mouse-preacher kun".
>it's self inflicted the mouse has unprotected switches
even shitty third party chinese mice have switches with protection from dirt and dust
You are not reading between the lines. I am agreeing the mouse has issues, I am stating for this to happen within a year, that anon has clear hygiene issues.
I am not saying this mouse does not have "protection" (fricking lol, you have no idea what you are talking about).
I legitimately have never cleaned a mouse before other than rare clear build up which takes years and the only mouse that has ever double clicked on me was a shitty coolermaster mouse with the worst switches and a Razer mouse with toilet paper switches
>I have never cleaned a mouse
> I have experienced double clicking, a generally uncommon mouse issue (please apply nuance before you take this the wrong way) twice
Pottery.
>shitty mice with shitty build quality and parts? double clicking no way!
I hate to burst your bubble, but almost every single one of the brands here is loaded with chineseium with different kinds of window dressing. again, pick. your. poison, don't be tribalistic about it.
We can explore it together, crack open the mouse and screenshot the internals.
>chineseium
>Old Razer
>Coolermaster
get it right it's toilet paperium
What fricking hygiene issues? I don't eat cheetos while working on the computer, I wash my hands when I've been outside or get anything on them, I don't have abnormal amounts of sweat or anything, what the frick am I supposed to do to be able to use a fricking mouse normally more than year? Which by the way, no other mouse in my decades of PC use has ever had anything similar. But sure, my "hygiene" is the problem, not Logitech's garbage production quality.
my g305 hasn't had the scroll wheel expand but i barely touch the wheel since it's only in use when gaming
the true problem is the low quality plastic turning shiny and losing its texture
>g703 lightspeed
>powerplay wireless charging mat underneath a deskmat
>get to enjoy the lowest latency plus no wires and no manual battery charging while having plenty of flick space
>double clicks
>scroll wheel encoder goes bad
you will never identify a mouse that doesn't have long term failures or issues. stop being a worthless contrarian.
my shitty g400 from over a decade ago will outlast ur shitty no wire mouse
you have low standards and haven't challenged them. that's fine. ignorance is bliss.
Why are you in this thread?
yes yes keep paying more for less
see:
see
I spent $30 for the mouse and have had it for almost half a decade. cut out this revisionist bullshit. again, why are you here, criticising a subject you are clearly ignorant of? are you lonely or something?
>you will never find a(n) X that doesn't have issues over the long term
I find that this is always patently false except when it comes to printers. A vizio TV will work until the sun explodes. You can trust a sensei mouse to have all the buttons working in 3 years. you can throw a Samsung monitor through a wall and it will be fine. A KIA car will never break down.
I don't use wireless cause I see no upsides and a couple downsides. my friend is constantly saying
>my headset died
>my mouse died
>my keyboard died
but you do you.
why are you representing an argument I didn't make? Why are you giving an example of a mouse after only three years? Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
>I don't use wireless cause I see no upsides and a couple downsides. my friend is constantly saying
Ignorant due to the ineptitude and anecdote of a friend.
Please demonstrate why it's worth listening to you in any capacity. Why do you think you have anything valuable to say here?
>you will never identify a(n) X that doesn't have long term failures or issues. stop being a worthless contrarian.
>why are you representing an argument I didn't make?
Okay, so you do genuinely have a reading comprehension issue. Please show me where I made the argument about X. It was about mice.
Go ahead anon. I will genuinely accept an apology and be happy to move on.
Trolling used to be a art.
>double clicks
>spend 10min with soldering iron and $2 in new switches once ever 2+ years
Still use my g300 from 2010. Probably been closer to 4yrs now since i last replaced the switches. the omron ones that every manufacturer uses are pretty bad. The kaihl blacks i replaced them with last cycle have a really nice feel and seem to be a lot more durable. Never had any scroll wheel issues so im not really sure what you're on about there.
you expect posters here to have the level of independence? frick if they learned how much the individual parts were they might have an aneurism
theres no excuse for not being able to learn to do simple things in this day and age. everything is a youtube or google search away. If you dont know how to operate and maintain things you use on a daily basis you are a failure as a human being, simple as.
We are aligned, anon. Where do you think you are?
I love aspie posts.
funny how wiredgays don't have a real argument against wireless now other than
>b-but it's too expensive
sucks to suck. try not being poor
wired is fine if you don't play anything competitive, budget mice are good enough for that. I don't even understand why people complain about mice prices when the very top end mice that pros use like the logitech superlight cost like $60USD on sale.
And you don't have an an argument for them except a fever dream where the wire comes alive and coils itself around shit like jormungandr.
>except a fever dream where the wire comes alive and coils itself around shit like jormungandr.
Notice how you attempt to make it seem like it's not a real thing, when almost every single person who has ever gamed on a good wireless mouse says that they won't ever go back to wired?
Stop being a poorgay, cmon you can spend a little extra to get a mouse that is infinitely better.
>Stop being a poorgay
No. I bought 4 logitech 300S's for like $10 each on clearance at Target a few years ago so I'm set for a long time.
I got a G502x lightspeed for $80 and it works on my machine
>Gankerners autistically rationalize their tribalism over mice, they defend their inane rationalizations through admission of never intentionally challenging their own viewpoints by trying competing options
>you are reading this, thinking you are somehow different
>if you post this you think you are somehow different
>This poster has clearly communicated he has demonstrated he has tried both options, and has made no commentary towards either
>Yes, he is criticizing himself. It must be true, i'll hit him with a "no u".
Be better.
I got wireless mouse but use it wired 95% of time. Only when playing csgo I go wireless. Then again, if you buy a new mouse once every 2-5 years the frick does it matter if it costs 10-80 euros more? Fricking buy less energy drinks for a week.
I game on a 65" on the couch.
and when your battery is low, you connect the mouse to a...?
I use both but I have been using my wireless mouse more and more.
g102 prodigy was my last mouse. Now im using triathlon.
10x fricking better.
forgot pic. Its really fricking good anons.
>have to waste time replacing batteries
no thanks
post your WPM
Take it up with the FTC big boy. Otherwise get back to being crushed under the same boot as the rest of us and learn when to properly apply the word.
You dilute the meaning of scam when you say you don't like a business practice.
>dilute
okay but what is 1+1 but don't say 2
>I can sell the product that costs the same amount to make but charge twice for no real reason other than I can get away with it
>but muh free market
but muh free market is quite literally the rebuttal, going "muh" doesn't change this reality.
Vote with your wallet. If a merchant is getting away with the upmark, that's on them.
I guarantee you're misrepresenting the situation anways (since you actually don't how much the wireless capability costs). If you expect a mouse to be $2.00 to make, and your wireless variant to be $4.00 to make, do you seriously expect them to not preserve the ratio of cost to profit equally?
>>I can sell the product that costs the same amount to make but charge twice for no real reason other than I can get away with it
Yes, not a scam
>>but muh free market
irrelevant goalpost shift
>not a scam
okay then you should be fine with me rising the price of living by 4x
it's not a scam and you're too poor to be living anyways
>make a wood carving, sell it for $5.00
>make another near identical wood carving, sell it for $10.00
This is not a scam. Customers can choose not to buy it.,
there's no need to out yourself as a moron like this. where i'm from, the government limits the rate of rent increases to be aligned with inflation. In the rest of the functioning world, you spend that time with an unoccupied home while your price adjusts back to reality.
You must be uneducated if this is the comparison you are trying to make.
Do you actually think that things cost the amount they do only because of the goodness of peoples heart to not increase it any more? lmao
I thought about economics like this when I was 14. I would pay significant amounts of money to time travel you back to when bartering was a required skill in life.
Both. Depends on the mouse - the dongle can be attached to your PC, but you can use a cable to put it on your desk and transmit from there.
it's only right for me to earn more than you and you to have no roof over your head
you should honestly be living in cages like animals
>lose face
>start having a melty
You should learn about the history and context that has enabled the relative life of luxury you live.
It's okay to be ignorant, just stop pretending you have a fully developed worldview if you're posting shit like this.
>pretending jeff bezos wouldn't poison you in your sleep once he gets tired of you leeching off him
What part of anything I have said thinks I am defending your boogeyman example?
Don't get it twisted, I am calling you ignorant, nothing more.
a couple of hundreds of years ago people would have executed you on the spot for defending rich people
but such is the way of modern living where people are getting turned into moronic dogs
you're the one here failing to understand one of the most basic tenets of economics (which also applied in your 1820's example). post country.
>implying 1820s is old
>he doesn't even know the meaning of couple
Man you really are dumb.
curious yet you are dumber than me
>anon giving an anecdotal example from his home country that hasn't developed societally in 200 years
You're right, 200 years ago you would have been low class chattle as well. I concede.
Motherfrickler, you're the one who gave the example of a couple of hundreds of years ago. How ESL are you?
sorry, replied to the wrong guy, i'm sure you follow
for me, it's the Outset AX
>4chin discusses economics
then don't participate in the discussion you stupid youkai
I don't.
>stupid youkai
Rude.
same reason people fall for the wifi meme
they assume some perfect universe where electrical signals and polling rates are identical going through noncuductive air as conductive copper and never once stop to think about the claim they make
You fail to understand the principles of a 2.4 GHZ receiver and the magnitudes of data handling differentials you need to get a quick accurate response on a mouse compared to a multi megabit connection.
Marketing is stronger than physics.
It's embarrassing you think this poster is accurate.
it's embarassing you think logitech's marketing was enough reason to pay hundreds of dollars on gaming mice that were built on purpose to break
One of the first mice that used this technology was the G305 and had an extremely low MSRP. What are you talking about?
don't flatter yourself, I haven't even posted a single product image or reference to any mouse aside from the G305 in this entire thread, a 8 year old mouse.
It's embarrassing you think that I haven't realized you're a marketer.
Maybe because it's just better?
>Muh latency
Nobody cares about this unless you're one of those subhuman ghouls who plays competitive shooters. Even so, the difference is near nonexistent that it barely matter even for actual pro players. Some Russian kid would still destroy you with his Ali express mouse anyway.
>Muh batteries
Qi charging / Qi Pad is a thing, most people charge their electronics when they're asleep, buying a backup mouse is also a thing
>Muh price
Stop being poor
get with the times boomer wireless is good now
Don't mind me, I'm just posting the GOAT while you children argue about which shitty mouse is the best.
Sorry, wrong image. I missclicked.
It's the year 2024 anon. The tech has caught up and you can no longer use sensor/click latency or build quality as an excuse. Wireless do everything better or just as good. The high tier ones also have batteries that will last at least a week or two without needing charging. The pink mouse in your pic can be found for $50 and it mogs most other mice
only when it's on sale a specific time of the year and even then it's shit compared to a wired mouse like a ec2 because logitech never has been good at making mice the right size and shape
>Wireless do everything better or just as good.
>upsides
1. Can be used at any distance from the computer
>downsides:
1- weighs more because needs battery. 2- battery need to be recharged
There is no reason to use a wireless mouse at a desk
is no reason to use a wireless mouse at a desk
Don't be hyperbolic. Cable catching/drag is a real issue that needs to be mitigated.
Only an issue if your desk is only barely bigger than your keyboard.
It doesn't hatter how big your desk is. The cable is not a frictionless experience.
>frictionless experience
the best aimer in the world prefers his wireless mouse wired
the anecdotes of the "best" aimers has included subjectively questionable decisions over the years.
You cannot reasonably think a subjective anecdote from a pro player counteracts another. You have assumed I am speaking towards a shooter experience, why did you do that?
>subjectively questionable decisions over the years
there's nothing questionable about it hes clearly the best he makes everyone else look like children
>why did you do that?
because unless you are a extremely casual gay it makes no sense to care about friction of the cable
cable or no cable is a skill issue
the biggest problem is the height of your desk and pad it self and your skill
>because unless you are a extremely casual gay it makes no sense to care about friction of the cable
Your view of possible use cases of a wireless mouse is demonstrably narrow-minded. Again, why are you acting as if the benefits and cons to your mouse choice is exclusive to shooter utilization?
Why are you wasting keystrokes?
>there's nothing questionable about it hes clearly the best he makes everyone else look like children
That's not what I have said. I have said the practices of professionals is anecdotal and preference based. Each brain works in a different way, and the connected feeling of a wired mouse might gel with them better. Trying to conflate this as the evidence to use to support one over the other is poor quality.
the cable makes little to no difference and if you're a casual gay it makes no difference if you have a office mouse or a gaming mouse
other than you feel good about wasting money on shit you don''t need
no one cares if you prefer a wireless mouse and play shitty games like diablo
Did you forget what the OP asked? Why are you saying no one cares if you use a wireless mouse if there are genuine applications for the connection type?
>little to no difference
so you're saying it can make a difference. weird, I thought this whole thread has been whinging over the minutia of differences between the types.
Frick me.
>other than you feel good about wasting money on shit you don''t need
The truth comes out. You are just angry because you're not financially in a place to be able to buy high end wireless mice. Are you also the kind of person who claims that anything above 60 FPS + 60hz is "a waste of money"?
>financially in a place to buy high end wireless mice
no one is in that place other than rich people and pro players who get their mice for free
it makes no logical sense to pay twice as much for a product that is bound to break in a few years
>no one is in that place other than rich people
You think someone needs to be rich to be able to spend $100-$120 on a mouse? What country are you from?
>it makes no logical sense to pay twice as much for a product that is bound to break in a few years
Playing video games is probably one of the least expensive hobbies compared to how much you get out of it, versus most other hobbies.
>price of everything goes up
>wages do not increase
>you think someone needs to be rich to be able to spend $100-120 on a mouse?
yes.
>what country are you from?
that's irrelevant.
>Playing video games is probably one of the least expensive hobbies
and? you'll get way better value out of something else instead of paying 60$ to not have a cable
>that's irrelevant.
It's not irrelevant. $100 to me in Denmark is absolutely nothing, for example.
>and? you'll get way better value out of something else instead of paying 60$ to not have a cable
This is like saying that a 4090 is "useless" because you can get "more value" from a 1080 Ti.
>This is like saying that a 4090 is "useless" because you can get more "more value" from a 1080 ti
that's objectively true for the small price of having better cable management you get to enjoy more games or pizza
>that's objectively true
You have no idea what objectively means. You are talking about subjective opinions, not objective facts. 4090 is objectively better than a 1080 Ti. However, when it comes to purchasing a 4090 or a 1080 Ti, then the subjective opinion/situation can play into it.
the average person does not care about 4k or high frame rates
where do you think you are?
why are you pivoting to audience fit? for all it fricking matters the "average" consumer doesn't give a frick about any metric
>where do you think you are?
normal gay central
if it wasn't this place wouldn't be full of Black folk who play nothing but garbage
>the average person does not care about 4k or high frame rates
Okay, so?
>1- weighs more because needs battery. 2- battery need to be recharged
This is not true at all, considering that all the high-end wireless mice weigh less than the vast majority of wired mice. You can even get a fricking UltralightX that's like 31g.
Not to mention all of these new wireless mice can also be used in wired mode. I still wouldn't recommend a finalmouse though. Those homosexuals have only lied in their marketing. Get a Beast X instead for much cheaper. Or wait for WL mouse to release an updated version in the future
Stop coping. It's ok if you want to overspend on pointless features.
I spent 50 bucks on something that's 100x better than the most expensive wired mode. Keep up gramps
>Stop coping
Said the guy who is so delusional that he chooses to live in an alternate reality, because he just can't admit that he was uninformed and uneducated, and still thought that wireless mice technology was stuck in 2012.
You original post didn't refute any of my claims, you just coped that it was good enough for you.
>You original post didn't refute any of my claims
I literally gave you an example of how the lightest possible high end mouse you can get is a wireless one, you moron.
You might want to reread your post
Are you mentally handicapped?
No but you seem to be.
>No
You are mentally handicapped, or you wouldn't have made such a moronic claim such as "wireless mice are heavier".
>batteries are weightless
uh huh. Meanwhile look what i just found lmao.
You know it's getting bad when you're combing google for affirmation on whatever point you're trying to prove at this point
For your cope, yeah it's not looking good
I own and utilize both kinds of mouse to best fit the use case of each.
I have a total count of 8 mice across my house, guess the ratio of each type
Cool story bro. Do you have a blog where I could read more about your life and the mice you own?
>using Zaunkoenig as his one example
Okay, now show me 5 wired high end mice and their weights, and I'll be able to counter them with 5 wireless high end mice that are lighter.
It literally doesn't matter. I don't need 5 mice, I need one.
I'm not that anon... but please tell me how your brain works to come to the conclusion that a mouse that has an external power source is not lighter than a mouse that needs an internal power source?
One is mouse internals + shell
The other is mouse internals + shell + battery
One has to be heavier.
>but please tell me how your brain works to come to the conclusion that a mouse that has an external power source is not lighter than a mouse that needs an internal power source?
Because both you and him are GROSSLY misinformed about the weight of batteries.
>One has to be heavier.
And yet you can get mice like GPXS that's 60g, DAV3 Pro that's 64g, Viper V2 Pro that's 58g, Pulsar X2V2 that's 53g, FM Starlight12 that's 47g, Razer Viper Mini Signature that's 49g, UltralightX that's 31g/35g/37g, Beast X that's 39-42g.
No, I'm definitely not misinformed about the weight of batteries. Batteries at least in my dimension have a positive weight, as in their weight in more than 0. Which means in no shape way or form will a wireless mouse be lighter than an equal wired mouse. Since a wired mouse is taking its power from the outside, while the wireless mouse has to have both the battery(its power source with positive weight) and the "wire"(bluetooth/whatever wireless connection it uses, also with positive weight) built in.
So what you get with a lot of the mice you are listing is huuuuuge corner cutting to make their weight. And still wired mice beating them in weight itself. Because thanks to physics its impossible for them to be equal in performance and lighter. What you are trying to prove is that 2+2=3
I directly gave you a small list of lightweight wireless mice. Now give me an equal list of high end lightweight wired mice.
Your are a poor quality communicator. The other anon is rightfully raking you over the coals. You are partially correct that internally powered solutions CAN be inherently heavier, however I think you have NO idea how light modern battery solutions are. modern design has produced extremely light mice that outperform wired competitors in terms of weight. You can find examples of wireless mice variants that are actually lighter compared to their wired variant so they clearly cut some room to make these mice work.
Another thing that you are not acknowledging is that cable drag does add to the weight of the mouse in the range of 20-30g.
LOL. I can tell your dumbass has only bought shit cheap wireless mice. Go ahead and buy an actual expensive one first before talking shit. Wireless mice these days can weigh as less as 20-30 g bud. Signal interference is also no longer a thing with today's dongles and receivers. The mouse I'm using rn weighs less than 40g and last 2-3 days on a single charge at 2k polling rate. Don't fight change. Accept it.
Anyone got their hands on this yet? I'm one of those freaks who actually uses an MX master alongside a regular gaymen mouse since I actually use the side scroll wheel for work.
It's so fricking annoying how logitech just refuses to put a half decent sensor on their supposedly "pro" mouse line. Not having those shitty rubber plastic that disintegrate after 2 years is also a plus too.
no issues with mine
stop buying shit brands maybe
in fact it was probably my best purchase in the past year or so
wireless mouse is for people who play on low sense (FPS gamer)
dragging the cable while you do a 180 feels fricking dogshit
wirless made sense like 17 years ago when the wires for mice were heavy and would drag along as you moved them
these days wires are so light you cant even feel that they are there
you can if you play on low sense
I switched from a Razer deathadder to a Logitech superlight once I played more FPS and switched to 400dpi
>these days wires are so light you cant even feel that they are there
If you use low sens + low DPI, it's a world of difference to not have ANY cable drag or limitation ever. Not to mention that +70% of professional players across multiple games who play for millions of dollars use wireless mice.
>ITT: people coping
your mouse isn't the reason you're bad at videogames
I can't use a controller or mouse with a wire, just too uncomfortable.
Headphones is wired to cause I have a nice audio setup
If your mouse isn't at least 310 grams you're wrong.
I use logitech and I don't even want to go back to wired.
>But the heckin recharge time
I'm not full time gamer so once a week I just plug it in for an hour or so and the battery goes from 20% to 100%
you aren't skilled enough to utilize the gain in response time between wired vs. wireless
also there's basically no difference these days
>changing batteries
>have to charge so it's not really wireless
>stupid connector will break
it's not worth it
>>have to charge so it's not really wireless
this homie complaining about having a wired mouse for 30 minutes a day so you should just have a wired mouse for 24 hrs a day instead
kek
My mouse lasts 100 hours on a full charge. It takes a little over 1 hour for it to fully charge, and I can use it as a wired mouse while it's charging. And I've never heard of anyone having their cable break.
You are complaining about a complete non-issue.
>have to stop gaming for an hour
found the issue
Did you not read my post? I specifically wrote "and I can use it as a wired mouse while it's charging".
then you need to route the cable all the way to your PC or a power oulet
way too annoying
No, you don't. Do you even know how newer wireless mice work? You just have a cable that's USB on one end in your computer and a dongle on the other end that's on your table in front of your mousepad. Then you detach the dongle from the cable and insert the cable into your mouse. It takes like 5 seconds.
other anon
Or you could just get a wired mouse.
Plug it to the back of the PC and forget about it.
Did your read my post? My mouse can function as both wireless and wired. I choose for it to be wireless 99.99% of the time.
the weight of the wire fricks me up, wireless feels more natural to me
wired mice have extra thin silicone insulated wires now
you can't really feel the wire at all
Wires can be felt but they just work, wireless can stop working during a game.
See
>you can't really feel the wire at all
And yet the vast majority of professional players still use wireless mice. Curious.
>People who are paid to use and advertise a product, use and advertise it
Whoa!
I see we are now moving into schizo theory. If your theory was true(it isn't) then why do the vast majority of semi-professional players then also use wireless mice? And why has no highly ranked player in any game ever "called out" that these professional players are using "inferior" products just because they are sponsored?
probably because CSGO autists use extremely low sensitivity
if you are normal the wire is a non issue
ebin at extremely low sens it makes practically no difference
>ebin at extremely low sens it makes practically no difference
What are you saying? If you use low DPI and low sens, then you will feel your cable much more than if you use a normal or high sens.
low dpi low sens you still move the mouse the same distance unless you are mentally handicapped and playing a game like overwatch
and arguably we're not taking in consideration of mouse skates and pad friction
>low dpi low sens you still move the mouse the same distance
What the frick are you talking about? You must live in a completely different reality. The whole reason why there's 50cm x 50cm mousepads is because you move the mouse WAY MORE when you have low DPI and low sens.
in cs go you almost never 180 and if you are you are practically dead anyways if it's about reacting
so you still are using the same amount of mouse pad
50x50 cm mousepads aren't even used in competitive cs and if they had a real demand they would be actually on normal retail sites rather than some sperg's site where you have to pay for shipping and have dozens of options that make no logical sense at just a glance
Okay, so you are just COMPLETELY fricking clueless about everything. Virtually everyone in CS uses mousepads that are between 45-50cm.
https://prosettings.net/lists/cs2/
all of those pads are 45cm
nothing has changed in a decade qck still on top
>if you are normal the wire is a non issue
Well yeah. If you don't aim to be good at video games, then it doesn't really matter.
dunno, people are idiots
>people are idiots
Are you describing yourself?
Learn to read moron
Can you teach me how to "read moron"? Is that the language that you speak?
What about mousepad that charges mouse? Pretty sure they exist.
>Ganker: STOP PLAYING WITH WIFI IT'S SHIT!!
>also Ganker: UMMM OF COURSE WIRELESS MICE AND KEYBOARD ARE JUST AS GOOD OR EVEN BETTER THAN WIRED!!!
ITT: people who have never actually use a wireless mouse and still believe in memes from the early 2000's
I don't like my mouse having a cable, it's annoying because from time to time it creates slight friction
I don't play FPS games anyway I don't care about latency
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Only reason I wanted a wireless mouse is because of shit Logitech wired cord. Then I switched to a Glorious brand mouse and will never get wireless or Logitech mouse