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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    latency time for wireless and wired meeces are identical

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Only on Logitech and Razer+Zowie everyone else is worse
      there's a reason why they charge premium
      but you're moronic if you spend twice as much on a mouse just because you want to use it wirelessly

      I have a cable bungee I been using for years and my mice feel pretty much wireless

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        idk wtf you are talking about tbh. I bough a cheap as frick one off Amazon for my shitposting laptop and while I rarely ever vidya on it, only a handful of times, I dont have any issue moving my cursor.
        I expect if you are playing shitty twitch aiming gay games like CSGO then maybe it would be an issue, but if you were playing that you are already a russian cheater or a homosexual anyway so you lost the game by default.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >cs go
          >twitch aim
          you're mentally moronic son

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          obviously a casual peasant like you wouldn't be able to tell the difference

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty much is not the same you bungie cuck.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Logitech Superlight is instantaneous and has been on sale so many times now, there's no excuse

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          The superlight is fricking incredible. That mouse was so influential that other companies are still trying to clone it. Shame the superlight 2 is basically the same shit

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >spent 80 on a wireless mouse
        >literally the same price or less than wired mice
        >no latency issues

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Identical or "perceptually identical"?
      Does it require to move a small connection thing close to your mousepad?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >wired mouse: signal travels through the wire at the speed of light to the PC
      >wireless mouse: signal travels through the air at the speed of light to the PC
      Can someone explain why it ever WOULDN'T be identical?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        interference
        which is pretty much is never going to stop existing even if you have the dongle right next to the mouse

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >interference
          Can you provide a SINGLE piece of evidence that shows this mouse "interference" being real?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not defending him - but there are situations where you can put the receiver directly on a 2.4ghz router and you will have problems.

            >think sperm. it will help
            I'm not a homosexual so no it won't

            Sorry, the confidence you had inflating the size of something small had me figure you had compensation problems. I'll adjust my tone bro.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >but there are situations where you can put the receiver directly on a 2.4ghz router and you will have problems.
              Of course internet traffic is going to require more drive/power/etc. than a simple mouse.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Right... So do you understand yet how you can conclude that data validation for something as simple as a mouse is a non-issue versus internet connection data?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Are you replying to the wrong guy or something? I am a pro-wireless mice guy.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Anon's like this this idiot

        same reason people fall for the wifi meme
        they assume some perfect universe where electrical signals and polling rates are identical going through noncuductive air as conductive copper and never once stop to think about the claim they make

        get it mixed up for ironically the reason he said.
        The amount of data that needs to slam into the receiver that needs to be accurately is statistically moot for the amount of data needed to get an accurate transmit/receive.

        interference
        which is pretty much is never going to stop existing even if you have the dongle right next to the mouse

        interference does not cause problems with such a small data stream to the extent you think it does

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >such a small data stream
          4k/8k polling rate isn't a small data stream

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >4k/8k polling rate isn't a small data stream

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            4k/8k polling rate is actually still magnitudes smaller than you would expect with competing signals. Even then, it doesn't change the nature of how these signals are received.
            Is your understanding that every bit of data that gets blasted from the mouse to the receiver needs to land for a 99.99% accurate transmission? If so, you're operating on incorrect pretenses.
            Think sperm. It will help.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >think sperm. it will help
              I'm not a homosexual so no it won't

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >reporting mouse coordinates 8000 times a second is not a small data stream
            don't tell him, anons.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Black person i've never had a wireless mouse work properly for me because of the way i have my shit set up, the signal passes through half of my pc
            works fine if i bring the dongle right next to the mouses, but what's the fricking point in that case

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >works fine if i bring the dongle right next to the mouses, but what's the fricking point in that case
              To not have a cable.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        The limiting factor isn't signal transmission speed it's the overhead required by wireless protocols to setup and maintain the connection.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >wireless
        >lightspeed
        lol
        Someones inform the hues their latency has dropped to 40ms as of this gay's post

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >meeces

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      This

      Do people still believe in the wirless le bad meme?

      There is no difference between wired and wireless mice, even cheap ones. There are test videos on youtube.

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    works on my machine

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The average person is stupid as frick

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wireless shit is annoying. I'd rather just have wired so I never have to worry about charging/replacing batteries, or random connection issues.

    Wired just werks™

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly, in the two years or so I've owned a GPX, I've never once had to think about battery life. It easily lasts 3 days+.
      I just use a magnetic charging cable and let it charge whenever I can remember to.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I'd rather just have wired so I never have to worry about charging/replacing batteries
      Just buy a battery charger m8, it's not that hard.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >says they dont want to have to worry about charging
        >just buy a battery charger m8
        Read, and respect what this motherfricker is saying to you.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >dude just make your wireless mouse wired, lol?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I haven't replaced my wireless mouse batteries in 7 frickin months and I use it every day.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because it's a garbage office mouse.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's a logitech and I've never had an issue with it but ok troon

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Other anon here.
        Dunno bout others but for even even though wireless mouse bats last long its still another thing I need to look after, and id rather not.
        I know I could also get wireles charging mat for some mice but then I am paying extra to have a wired mouse with extra steps.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I seem to recall my G305 lasting somewhere between 9-12 months on a normal battery and something like 6 months when I eventually switched to Eneloop Pros. Though those did make the mouse noticeably heavier. Most other decent wireless mice don't seem to use this kind of battery type though, instead opting for USB recharging which is too much of a hassle IMO. No, I'm not getting wireless mouse just so I can get a wired mousepad instead.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I replace the battery in mine maybe once or twice a year.
      Never had a connection issue because I don't live in a microwave.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Don't wireless mice have some kind of wireless charging these days? My toothbrush has had that for over a decade.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        but how do i connect the wireless charger?

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I use a laptop because of work and stuff and it's easier to just have a bt mouse than fondling with a cable every time.

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    What's the scam?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      there's no real price difference in the making of either one that would be make logical sense for it to cost 120-150$

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        You can't sweat small change like that. The alternative is using a wired mouse.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >small change
          >spending practically double or even triple just because you just don't want to use a 20$ mouse bungee
          >even if the cable was supposedly garbage you could take the mouse apart for less than 15$ and put in a new cord

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            there's no real price difference in the making of either one that would be make logical sense for it to cost 120-150$

            It's not that much for the mouse I bought.
            If you are already buying mice where this is true, you've fallen for another scam.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              at that point might as well use a controller

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >cost 120-150$

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >schizo is too lazy to search google

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not an argument. I live in Australia which means I can expect to pay double the dollar amount for anything sold in the US and I still only spent $50 on a Logitech G305. It's not my fault you're so moronic you overspend on hardware.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >bought a mouse for a child
              >is literal evidence there's no excuse for logitech to charge 150$ for a mouse
              have a nice day
              right now

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Another compelling argument.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                no argument btw you're trans

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >G305 is a mouse for a child
                Oh sorry I forgot that the big kids in junior high all have neon light up Razor CobraDeathAnus 5000s made for real Gaymers™.
                A normal mouse that's wireless and costs $40 just can't compete.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >a normal mouse
                >g305

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Pick two

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Every zowie mouse in existence+vaxee

                Pretty much is not the same you bungie cuck.

                skill issue

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >neon light up Razor CobraDeathAnus 5000s
                Funny how the logitech superlight is just black or white. No bullshit going on.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >I live in Australia which means I can expect to pay double the dollar amount
              It's not "double" Not even fricking close.
              Yes our dollar is worth less but we earn MORE DOLLARS.
              Anyway comparison
              Superlight X 2 $160USD (Microcenter) roughly $245 AUD direct conversion
              Same fricking mouse in Australia $229 AUD roughly $150 USD
              Same fricking price basically.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                and double for the kids that failed Math would be $320AUD but it's $100 less than that

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                And? I'm not gonna explain global currency conversions to some moronic OP on Ganker complaining about wireless mice. 60% is closer to 100% than his estimate of a wireless mouse costing $150.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        What's the scantho? I bought my wireless death adder v2 pro like 4+ four years ago for $65 and it's still trucking.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        You don't know what a scam is. Big profit margin items are not scams just because you don't think they are worth that amount of money. If the product is what it's advertised as then it's not a scam.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >it's not a scam because I want to price it that way
          brb time to enter the medical industry and charge 60$ a painkiller

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    My vertical mouse is wireless
    My gayman mouse is wired
    Simple as

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    can't get any wired mice anymore

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I hate normalgays

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    bought logitech G305 for 25 bucks

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why
    Marketing. Some people unironically buy shit that was advertised to them.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      So basically consoomers.

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I just cant stand the feeling of the wire pulling and binding when when im in a high stress situation and need accuracy

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I've been hardstuck at diamond in valo and master in apex, I'm pretty sure the wireless mouse isn't the bottleneck to my skill.
    Be fricking honest with yourself, seriously, you think that 2 miliseconds of lag is what's stopping you from going pro or some shit?

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have the Superlight2, it's a good mouse. But the G203 is still a very decent wired alternative that costs about a 5th of the price.

  15. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don’t like having to worry about a wire getting tangled. I have a wired keyboard because that doesn’t move

  16. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    they took away my extra weights of the newest G502 and I will never forgive them

  17. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    For me, it’s pulsar with the dongle.

  18. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >wireless mouse
    >look inside
    >magnets

  19. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    mice have been solved techology for almost a decade, and in the past 5 years for wireless pick the pros and cons of running wired versus wireless and shut the frick up about it.
    You trade wire drag versus having the change the batteries/tracking interference, that is fricking all.
    Anything else here is a larp of the highest order, whatever moron here is arguing about paying double has no meaningful exposure towards what options actually exist at hear identical performance
    shit has been snake oil since wireless has been solved, and none of you are statistically performant enough to ever begin to tell.
    half of you trying to make informed gaming mice purchase decisions are better off improving your rank by paying for therapy

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >change the batteries
      lol you stupid fricking moron wireless charging is a solved problem too. Changing batteries? Pfft HAHAHAHAHAHA

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        why are you speaking with absolutes? read with nuance, motherfricker. I said you're either dealing with changing batteries OR interference.
        Since your inept ass needs this spelled out for you to make this conversation even more fricking pointless not every solution has an internal battery, and some of the best cost to performance wireless options require changing batteries.
        Giving a single frick about others mice purchases is some teenager tier energy anways, and it's clear this thread is full of parrots who haven't had much meaningful exposure to options for over a few years.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      The value of money has become meaningless to millions of people under 40 because they can never afford a house, new car, and loving family and are usually too emasculated to do anything dangerous with what they do have either so they just spend tons of money on bullshit.

      Wireless versions of the same model of mouse are significantly, and indeed often 100% more expensive.

  20. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because I want to game from my couch sometimes. Wireless mechanical keyboards seem a bit more rare though

  21. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The G305 is a scam, but not because it's wireless. The clicking will break in about a year however.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I Own 3 G305 mice here.
      There are two real problems that happen with the mouse. The first is that the scroll wheel rubber WILL expand after about two years and start rubbing against the rest of the chassis.
      The second problem, which you mention, is actually related to poor hygiene and mouse upkeep. This is simply an issue of keeping the mouse clean to prevent clicking issues.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I have had two of them, both have broken in the exact same way, both in about a year. Mouse upkeep? Get real, a year is barely enough to collect a significant amount of gunk, let alone an amount where it would be expected for it to break something. Besides, the left/right mouse button space was completely clean, only the side buttons had some dirt, which surprise, still worked perfectly fine.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's fine to admit you have a limited amount of experience with the mouse. For context, the space between the L/R buttons and the chassis is not where the issue stems from, it stems from gunk entering near the mouse wheel and side buttons, which you have admitted has had gunk buildup. Have you ever tried opening one of these mice up to look at how the left/right click buttons work?

          Again, I maintain that the issues you experienced are due to poor hygiene. There's no need to self-report yourself like this. The mice has real, demonstrable issues, yours however are likely self inflicted.

          Trolling used to be a art.

          Wow you really spelled that apology wrong. You can start by saying "I am sorry I clearly am inferior in my knowledge and conduct on this subject, I kneel to you and your supreme authority, o mouse-preacher kun".

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >it's self inflicted the mouse has unprotected switches
            even shitty third party chinese mice have switches with protection from dirt and dust

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              You are not reading between the lines. I am agreeing the mouse has issues, I am stating for this to happen within a year, that anon has clear hygiene issues.
              I am not saying this mouse does not have "protection" (fricking lol, you have no idea what you are talking about).

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                I legitimately have never cleaned a mouse before other than rare clear build up which takes years and the only mouse that has ever double clicked on me was a shitty coolermaster mouse with the worst switches and a Razer mouse with toilet paper switches

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I have never cleaned a mouse
                > I have experienced double clicking, a generally uncommon mouse issue (please apply nuance before you take this the wrong way) twice
                Pottery.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >shitty mice with shitty build quality and parts? double clicking no way!

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                I hate to burst your bubble, but almost every single one of the brands here is loaded with chineseium with different kinds of window dressing. again, pick. your. poison, don't be tribalistic about it.

                What fricking hygiene issues? I don't eat cheetos while working on the computer, I wash my hands when I've been outside or get anything on them, I don't have abnormal amounts of sweat or anything, what the frick am I supposed to do to be able to use a fricking mouse normally more than year? Which by the way, no other mouse in my decades of PC use has ever had anything similar. But sure, my "hygiene" is the problem, not Logitech's garbage production quality.

                We can explore it together, crack open the mouse and screenshot the internals.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >chineseium
                >Old Razer
                >Coolermaster
                get it right it's toilet paperium

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                What fricking hygiene issues? I don't eat cheetos while working on the computer, I wash my hands when I've been outside or get anything on them, I don't have abnormal amounts of sweat or anything, what the frick am I supposed to do to be able to use a fricking mouse normally more than year? Which by the way, no other mouse in my decades of PC use has ever had anything similar. But sure, my "hygiene" is the problem, not Logitech's garbage production quality.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        my g305 hasn't had the scroll wheel expand but i barely touch the wheel since it's only in use when gaming
        the true problem is the low quality plastic turning shiny and losing its texture

  22. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >g703 lightspeed
    >powerplay wireless charging mat underneath a deskmat
    >get to enjoy the lowest latency plus no wires and no manual battery charging while having plenty of flick space

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >double clicks
      >scroll wheel encoder goes bad

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        you will never identify a mouse that doesn't have long term failures or issues. stop being a worthless contrarian.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          my shitty g400 from over a decade ago will outlast ur shitty no wire mouse

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            you have low standards and haven't challenged them. that's fine. ignorance is bliss.
            Why are you in this thread?

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              yes yes keep paying more for less

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                see:

                I spent $30 for the mouse and have had it for almost half a decade. cut out this revisionist bullshit. again, why are you here, criticising a subject you are clearly ignorant of? are you lonely or something?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                see

                my shitty g400 from over a decade ago will outlast ur shitty no wire mouse

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              I spent $30 for the mouse and have had it for almost half a decade. cut out this revisionist bullshit. again, why are you here, criticising a subject you are clearly ignorant of? are you lonely or something?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >you will never find a(n) X that doesn't have issues over the long term
          I find that this is always patently false except when it comes to printers. A vizio TV will work until the sun explodes. You can trust a sensei mouse to have all the buttons working in 3 years. you can throw a Samsung monitor through a wall and it will be fine. A KIA car will never break down.

          funny how wiredgays don't have a real argument against wireless now other than
          >b-but it's too expensive
          sucks to suck. try not being poor

          I don't use wireless cause I see no upsides and a couple downsides. my friend is constantly saying
          >my headset died
          >my mouse died
          >my keyboard died
          but you do you.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            why are you representing an argument I didn't make? Why are you giving an example of a mouse after only three years? Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
            >I don't use wireless cause I see no upsides and a couple downsides. my friend is constantly saying
            Ignorant due to the ineptitude and anecdote of a friend.
            Please demonstrate why it's worth listening to you in any capacity. Why do you think you have anything valuable to say here?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >you will never identify a(n) X that doesn't have long term failures or issues. stop being a worthless contrarian.

          why are you representing an argument I didn't make? Why are you giving an example of a mouse after only three years? Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
          >I don't use wireless cause I see no upsides and a couple downsides. my friend is constantly saying
          Ignorant due to the ineptitude and anecdote of a friend.
          Please demonstrate why it's worth listening to you in any capacity. Why do you think you have anything valuable to say here?

          >why are you representing an argument I didn't make?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Okay, so you do genuinely have a reading comprehension issue. Please show me where I made the argument about X. It was about mice.
            Go ahead anon. I will genuinely accept an apology and be happy to move on.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Trolling used to be a art.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >double clicks
        >spend 10min with soldering iron and $2 in new switches once ever 2+ years

        Still use my g300 from 2010. Probably been closer to 4yrs now since i last replaced the switches. the omron ones that every manufacturer uses are pretty bad. The kaihl blacks i replaced them with last cycle have a really nice feel and seem to be a lot more durable. Never had any scroll wheel issues so im not really sure what you're on about there.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          you expect posters here to have the level of independence? frick if they learned how much the individual parts were they might have an aneurism

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            theres no excuse for not being able to learn to do simple things in this day and age. everything is a youtube or google search away. If you dont know how to operate and maintain things you use on a daily basis you are a failure as a human being, simple as.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              We are aligned, anon. Where do you think you are?

              >>I can sell the product that costs the same amount to make but charge twice for no real reason other than I can get away with it
              Yes, not a scam
              >>but muh free market
              irrelevant goalpost shift

              I love aspie posts.

  23. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    funny how wiredgays don't have a real argument against wireless now other than
    >b-but it's too expensive
    sucks to suck. try not being poor

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      wired is fine if you don't play anything competitive, budget mice are good enough for that. I don't even understand why people complain about mice prices when the very top end mice that pros use like the logitech superlight cost like $60USD on sale.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      And you don't have an an argument for them except a fever dream where the wire comes alive and coils itself around shit like jormungandr.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >except a fever dream where the wire comes alive and coils itself around shit like jormungandr.
        Notice how you attempt to make it seem like it's not a real thing, when almost every single person who has ever gamed on a good wireless mouse says that they won't ever go back to wired?

  24. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Stop being a poorgay, cmon you can spend a little extra to get a mouse that is infinitely better.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Stop being a poorgay
      No. I bought 4 logitech 300S's for like $10 each on clearance at Target a few years ago so I'm set for a long time.

  25. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I got a G502x lightspeed for $80 and it works on my machine

  26. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Gankerners autistically rationalize their tribalism over mice, they defend their inane rationalizations through admission of never intentionally challenging their own viewpoints by trying competing options
    >you are reading this, thinking you are somehow different

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >if you post this you think you are somehow different

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >This poster has clearly communicated he has demonstrated he has tried both options, and has made no commentary towards either
        >Yes, he is criticizing himself. It must be true, i'll hit him with a "no u".
        Be better.

  27. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I got wireless mouse but use it wired 95% of time. Only when playing csgo I go wireless. Then again, if you buy a new mouse once every 2-5 years the frick does it matter if it costs 10-80 euros more? Fricking buy less energy drinks for a week.

  28. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I game on a 65" on the couch.

  29. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    and when your battery is low, you connect the mouse to a...?

  30. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I use both but I have been using my wireless mouse more and more.

  31. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    g102 prodigy was my last mouse. Now im using triathlon.

    10x fricking better.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      forgot pic. Its really fricking good anons.

  32. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >have to waste time replacing batteries
    no thanks

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      post your WPM

      >it's not a scam because I want to price it that way
      brb time to enter the medical industry and charge 60$ a painkiller

      Take it up with the FTC big boy. Otherwise get back to being crushed under the same boot as the rest of us and learn when to properly apply the word.
      You dilute the meaning of scam when you say you don't like a business practice.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >dilute
        okay but what is 1+1 but don't say 2
        >I can sell the product that costs the same amount to make but charge twice for no real reason other than I can get away with it
        >but muh free market

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          but muh free market is quite literally the rebuttal, going "muh" doesn't change this reality.
          Vote with your wallet. If a merchant is getting away with the upmark, that's on them.

          I guarantee you're misrepresenting the situation anways (since you actually don't how much the wireless capability costs). If you expect a mouse to be $2.00 to make, and your wireless variant to be $4.00 to make, do you seriously expect them to not preserve the ratio of cost to profit equally?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >>I can sell the product that costs the same amount to make but charge twice for no real reason other than I can get away with it
          Yes, not a scam
          >>but muh free market
          irrelevant goalpost shift

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >not a scam
            okay then you should be fine with me rising the price of living by 4x
            it's not a scam and you're too poor to be living anyways

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >make a wood carving, sell it for $5.00
              >make another near identical wood carving, sell it for $10.00
              This is not a scam. Customers can choose not to buy it.,

              there's no need to out yourself as a moron like this. where i'm from, the government limits the rate of rent increases to be aligned with inflation. In the rest of the functioning world, you spend that time with an unoccupied home while your price adjusts back to reality.
              You must be uneducated if this is the comparison you are trying to make.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Do you actually think that things cost the amount they do only because of the goodness of peoples heart to not increase it any more? lmao

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              I thought about economics like this when I was 14. I would pay significant amounts of money to time travel you back to when bartering was a required skill in life.

              Identical or "perceptually identical"?
              Does it require to move a small connection thing close to your mousepad?

              Both. Depends on the mouse - the dongle can be attached to your PC, but you can use a cable to put it on your desk and transmit from there.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Do you actually think that things cost the amount they do only because of the goodness of peoples heart to not increase it any more? lmao

                >make a wood carving, sell it for $5.00
                >make another near identical wood carving, sell it for $10.00
                This is not a scam. Customers can choose not to buy it.,

                there's no need to out yourself as a moron like this. where i'm from, the government limits the rate of rent increases to be aligned with inflation. In the rest of the functioning world, you spend that time with an unoccupied home while your price adjusts back to reality.
                You must be uneducated if this is the comparison you are trying to make.

                it's only right for me to earn more than you and you to have no roof over your head
                you should honestly be living in cages like animals

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >lose face
                >start having a melty

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                You should learn about the history and context that has enabled the relative life of luxury you live.
                It's okay to be ignorant, just stop pretending you have a fully developed worldview if you're posting shit like this.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >pretending jeff bezos wouldn't poison you in your sleep once he gets tired of you leeching off him

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                What part of anything I have said thinks I am defending your boogeyman example?
                Don't get it twisted, I am calling you ignorant, nothing more.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                a couple of hundreds of years ago people would have executed you on the spot for defending rich people
                but such is the way of modern living where people are getting turned into moronic dogs

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                you're the one here failing to understand one of the most basic tenets of economics (which also applied in your 1820's example). post country.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >implying 1820s is old

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >he doesn't even know the meaning of couple
                Man you really are dumb.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                curious yet you are dumber than me

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >anon giving an anecdotal example from his home country that hasn't developed societally in 200 years

                >implying 1820s is old

                You're right, 200 years ago you would have been low class chattle as well. I concede.
                Motherfrickler, you're the one who gave the example of a couple of hundreds of years ago. How ESL are you?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                sorry, replied to the wrong guy, i'm sure you follow

  33. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    for me, it's the Outset AX

  34. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >4chin discusses economics

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      then don't participate in the discussion you stupid youkai

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't.
        >stupid youkai
        Rude.

  35. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    same reason people fall for the wifi meme
    they assume some perfect universe where electrical signals and polling rates are identical going through noncuductive air as conductive copper and never once stop to think about the claim they make

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      You fail to understand the principles of a 2.4 GHZ receiver and the magnitudes of data handling differentials you need to get a quick accurate response on a mouse compared to a multi megabit connection.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Marketing is stronger than physics.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's embarrassing you think this poster is accurate.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          it's embarassing you think logitech's marketing was enough reason to pay hundreds of dollars on gaming mice that were built on purpose to break

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            One of the first mice that used this technology was the G305 and had an extremely low MSRP. What are you talking about?

            It's embarrassing you think that I haven't realized you're a marketer.

            don't flatter yourself, I haven't even posted a single product image or reference to any mouse aside from the G305 in this entire thread, a 8 year old mouse.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's embarrassing you think that I haven't realized you're a marketer.

  36. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe because it's just better?
    >Muh latency
    Nobody cares about this unless you're one of those subhuman ghouls who plays competitive shooters. Even so, the difference is near nonexistent that it barely matter even for actual pro players. Some Russian kid would still destroy you with his Ali express mouse anyway.
    >Muh batteries
    Qi charging / Qi Pad is a thing, most people charge their electronics when they're asleep, buying a backup mouse is also a thing
    >Muh price
    Stop being poor

  37. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    get with the times boomer wireless is good now

  38. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't mind me, I'm just posting the GOAT while you children argue about which shitty mouse is the best.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sorry, wrong image. I missclicked.

  39. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's the year 2024 anon. The tech has caught up and you can no longer use sensor/click latency or build quality as an excuse. Wireless do everything better or just as good. The high tier ones also have batteries that will last at least a week or two without needing charging. The pink mouse in your pic can be found for $50 and it mogs most other mice

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      only when it's on sale a specific time of the year and even then it's shit compared to a wired mouse like a ec2 because logitech never has been good at making mice the right size and shape

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Wireless do everything better or just as good.
      >upsides
      1. Can be used at any distance from the computer
      >downsides:
      1- weighs more because needs battery. 2- battery need to be recharged

      There is no reason to use a wireless mouse at a desk

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        is no reason to use a wireless mouse at a desk
        Don't be hyperbolic. Cable catching/drag is a real issue that needs to be mitigated.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Only an issue if your desk is only barely bigger than your keyboard.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            It doesn't hatter how big your desk is. The cable is not a frictionless experience.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >frictionless experience
              the best aimer in the world prefers his wireless mouse wired

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                the anecdotes of the "best" aimers has included subjectively questionable decisions over the years.
                You cannot reasonably think a subjective anecdote from a pro player counteracts another. You have assumed I am speaking towards a shooter experience, why did you do that?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >subjectively questionable decisions over the years
                there's nothing questionable about it hes clearly the best he makes everyone else look like children
                >why did you do that?
                because unless you are a extremely casual gay it makes no sense to care about friction of the cable
                cable or no cable is a skill issue
                the biggest problem is the height of your desk and pad it self and your skill

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >because unless you are a extremely casual gay it makes no sense to care about friction of the cable
                Your view of possible use cases of a wireless mouse is demonstrably narrow-minded. Again, why are you acting as if the benefits and cons to your mouse choice is exclusive to shooter utilization?

                Why are you wasting keystrokes?

                >there's nothing questionable about it hes clearly the best he makes everyone else look like children
                That's not what I have said. I have said the practices of professionals is anecdotal and preference based. Each brain works in a different way, and the connected feeling of a wired mouse might gel with them better. Trying to conflate this as the evidence to use to support one over the other is poor quality.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                the cable makes little to no difference and if you're a casual gay it makes no difference if you have a office mouse or a gaming mouse
                other than you feel good about wasting money on shit you don''t need

                no one cares if you prefer a wireless mouse and play shitty games like diablo

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Did you forget what the OP asked? Why are you saying no one cares if you use a wireless mouse if there are genuine applications for the connection type?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >little to no difference
                so you're saying it can make a difference. weird, I thought this whole thread has been whinging over the minutia of differences between the types.
                Frick me.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >other than you feel good about wasting money on shit you don''t need
                The truth comes out. You are just angry because you're not financially in a place to be able to buy high end wireless mice. Are you also the kind of person who claims that anything above 60 FPS + 60hz is "a waste of money"?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >financially in a place to buy high end wireless mice
                no one is in that place other than rich people and pro players who get their mice for free
                it makes no logical sense to pay twice as much for a product that is bound to break in a few years

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >no one is in that place other than rich people
                You think someone needs to be rich to be able to spend $100-$120 on a mouse? What country are you from?

                >it makes no logical sense to pay twice as much for a product that is bound to break in a few years
                Playing video games is probably one of the least expensive hobbies compared to how much you get out of it, versus most other hobbies.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >price of everything goes up
                >wages do not increase
                >you think someone needs to be rich to be able to spend $100-120 on a mouse?
                yes.
                >what country are you from?
                that's irrelevant.
                >Playing video games is probably one of the least expensive hobbies
                and? you'll get way better value out of something else instead of paying 60$ to not have a cable

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >that's irrelevant.
                It's not irrelevant. $100 to me in Denmark is absolutely nothing, for example.

                >and? you'll get way better value out of something else instead of paying 60$ to not have a cable
                This is like saying that a 4090 is "useless" because you can get "more value" from a 1080 Ti.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >This is like saying that a 4090 is "useless" because you can get more "more value" from a 1080 ti
                that's objectively true for the small price of having better cable management you get to enjoy more games or pizza

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >that's objectively true
                You have no idea what objectively means. You are talking about subjective opinions, not objective facts. 4090 is objectively better than a 1080 Ti. However, when it comes to purchasing a 4090 or a 1080 Ti, then the subjective opinion/situation can play into it.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                the average person does not care about 4k or high frame rates

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                where do you think you are?
                why are you pivoting to audience fit? for all it fricking matters the "average" consumer doesn't give a frick about any metric

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >where do you think you are?
                normal gay central
                if it wasn't this place wouldn't be full of Black folk who play nothing but garbage

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the average person does not care about 4k or high frame rates
                Okay, so?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >1- weighs more because needs battery. 2- battery need to be recharged
        This is not true at all, considering that all the high-end wireless mice weigh less than the vast majority of wired mice. You can even get a fricking UltralightX that's like 31g.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Not to mention all of these new wireless mice can also be used in wired mode. I still wouldn't recommend a finalmouse though. Those homosexuals have only lied in their marketing. Get a Beast X instead for much cheaper. Or wait for WL mouse to release an updated version in the future

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          LOL. I can tell your dumbass has only bought shit cheap wireless mice. Go ahead and buy an actual expensive one first before talking shit. Wireless mice these days can weigh as less as 20-30 g bud. Signal interference is also no longer a thing with today's dongles and receivers. The mouse I'm using rn weighs less than 40g and last 2-3 days on a single charge at 2k polling rate. Don't fight change. Accept it.

          Stop coping. It's ok if you want to overspend on pointless features.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I spent 50 bucks on something that's 100x better than the most expensive wired mode. Keep up gramps

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Stop coping
            Said the guy who is so delusional that he chooses to live in an alternate reality, because he just can't admit that he was uninformed and uneducated, and still thought that wireless mice technology was stuck in 2012.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              You original post didn't refute any of my claims, you just coped that it was good enough for you.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >You original post didn't refute any of my claims
                I literally gave you an example of how the lightest possible high end mouse you can get is a wireless one, you moron.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                You might want to reread your post

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Are you mentally handicapped?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                No but you seem to be.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >No
                You are mentally handicapped, or you wouldn't have made such a moronic claim such as "wireless mice are heavier".

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >batteries are weightless
                uh huh. Meanwhile look what i just found lmao.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                You know it's getting bad when you're combing google for affirmation on whatever point you're trying to prove at this point

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                For your cope, yeah it's not looking good

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                I own and utilize both kinds of mouse to best fit the use case of each.
                I have a total count of 8 mice across my house, guess the ratio of each type

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Cool story bro. Do you have a blog where I could read more about your life and the mice you own?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >using Zaunkoenig as his one example
                Okay, now show me 5 wired high end mice and their weights, and I'll be able to counter them with 5 wireless high end mice that are lighter.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                It literally doesn't matter. I don't need 5 mice, I need one.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not that anon... but please tell me how your brain works to come to the conclusion that a mouse that has an external power source is not lighter than a mouse that needs an internal power source?
                One is mouse internals + shell
                The other is mouse internals + shell + battery
                One has to be heavier.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >but please tell me how your brain works to come to the conclusion that a mouse that has an external power source is not lighter than a mouse that needs an internal power source?
                Because both you and him are GROSSLY misinformed about the weight of batteries.

                >One has to be heavier.
                And yet you can get mice like GPXS that's 60g, DAV3 Pro that's 64g, Viper V2 Pro that's 58g, Pulsar X2V2 that's 53g, FM Starlight12 that's 47g, Razer Viper Mini Signature that's 49g, UltralightX that's 31g/35g/37g, Beast X that's 39-42g.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                No, I'm definitely not misinformed about the weight of batteries. Batteries at least in my dimension have a positive weight, as in their weight in more than 0. Which means in no shape way or form will a wireless mouse be lighter than an equal wired mouse. Since a wired mouse is taking its power from the outside, while the wireless mouse has to have both the battery(its power source with positive weight) and the "wire"(bluetooth/whatever wireless connection it uses, also with positive weight) built in.
                So what you get with a lot of the mice you are listing is huuuuuge corner cutting to make their weight. And still wired mice beating them in weight itself. Because thanks to physics its impossible for them to be equal in performance and lighter. What you are trying to prove is that 2+2=3

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                I directly gave you a small list of lightweight wireless mice. Now give me an equal list of high end lightweight wired mice.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Your are a poor quality communicator. The other anon is rightfully raking you over the coals. You are partially correct that internally powered solutions CAN be inherently heavier, however I think you have NO idea how light modern battery solutions are. modern design has produced extremely light mice that outperform wired competitors in terms of weight. You can find examples of wireless mice variants that are actually lighter compared to their wired variant so they clearly cut some room to make these mice work.

                Another thing that you are not acknowledging is that cable drag does add to the weight of the mouse in the range of 20-30g.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        LOL. I can tell your dumbass has only bought shit cheap wireless mice. Go ahead and buy an actual expensive one first before talking shit. Wireless mice these days can weigh as less as 20-30 g bud. Signal interference is also no longer a thing with today's dongles and receivers. The mouse I'm using rn weighs less than 40g and last 2-3 days on a single charge at 2k polling rate. Don't fight change. Accept it.

  40. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone got their hands on this yet? I'm one of those freaks who actually uses an MX master alongside a regular gaymen mouse since I actually use the side scroll wheel for work.
    It's so fricking annoying how logitech just refuses to put a half decent sensor on their supposedly "pro" mouse line. Not having those shitty rubber plastic that disintegrate after 2 years is also a plus too.

  41. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    no issues with mine
    stop buying shit brands maybe
    in fact it was probably my best purchase in the past year or so

  42. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    wireless mouse is for people who play on low sense (FPS gamer)
    dragging the cable while you do a 180 feels fricking dogshit

  43. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    wirless made sense like 17 years ago when the wires for mice were heavy and would drag along as you moved them
    these days wires are so light you cant even feel that they are there

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      you can if you play on low sense
      I switched from a Razer deathadder to a Logitech superlight once I played more FPS and switched to 400dpi

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >these days wires are so light you cant even feel that they are there
      If you use low sens + low DPI, it's a world of difference to not have ANY cable drag or limitation ever. Not to mention that +70% of professional players across multiple games who play for millions of dollars use wireless mice.

  44. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >ITT: people coping
    your mouse isn't the reason you're bad at videogames

  45. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I can't use a controller or mouse with a wire, just too uncomfortable.
    Headphones is wired to cause I have a nice audio setup

  46. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    If your mouse isn't at least 310 grams you're wrong.

  47. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I use logitech and I don't even want to go back to wired.
    >But the heckin recharge time
    I'm not full time gamer so once a week I just plug it in for an hour or so and the battery goes from 20% to 100%

  48. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    you aren't skilled enough to utilize the gain in response time between wired vs. wireless
    also there's basically no difference these days

  49. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >changing batteries
    >have to charge so it's not really wireless
    >stupid connector will break
    it's not worth it

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >>have to charge so it's not really wireless
      this homie complaining about having a wired mouse for 30 minutes a day so you should just have a wired mouse for 24 hrs a day instead
      kek

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      My mouse lasts 100 hours on a full charge. It takes a little over 1 hour for it to fully charge, and I can use it as a wired mouse while it's charging. And I've never heard of anyone having their cable break.

      You are complaining about a complete non-issue.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >have to stop gaming for an hour
        found the issue

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Did you not read my post? I specifically wrote "and I can use it as a wired mouse while it's charging".

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            then you need to route the cable all the way to your PC or a power oulet
            way too annoying

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              No, you don't. Do you even know how newer wireless mice work? You just have a cable that's USB on one end in your computer and a dongle on the other end that's on your table in front of your mousepad. Then you detach the dongle from the cable and insert the cable into your mouse. It takes like 5 seconds.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                other anon
                Or you could just get a wired mouse.
                Plug it to the back of the PC and forget about it.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Did your read my post? My mouse can function as both wireless and wired. I choose for it to be wireless 99.99% of the time.

  50. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    the weight of the wire fricks me up, wireless feels more natural to me

  51. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    wired mice have extra thin silicone insulated wires now
    you can't really feel the wire at all

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wires can be felt but they just work, wireless can stop working during a game.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        See

        >you can't really feel the wire at all
        And yet the vast majority of professional players still use wireless mice. Curious.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >you can't really feel the wire at all
      And yet the vast majority of professional players still use wireless mice. Curious.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >People who are paid to use and advertise a product, use and advertise it
        Whoa!

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          I see we are now moving into schizo theory. If your theory was true(it isn't) then why do the vast majority of semi-professional players then also use wireless mice? And why has no highly ranked player in any game ever "called out" that these professional players are using "inferior" products just because they are sponsored?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        probably because CSGO autists use extremely low sensitivity
        if you are normal the wire is a non issue

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          ebin at extremely low sens it makes practically no difference

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >ebin at extremely low sens it makes practically no difference
            What are you saying? If you use low DPI and low sens, then you will feel your cable much more than if you use a normal or high sens.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              low dpi low sens you still move the mouse the same distance unless you are mentally handicapped and playing a game like overwatch
              and arguably we're not taking in consideration of mouse skates and pad friction

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >low dpi low sens you still move the mouse the same distance
                What the frick are you talking about? You must live in a completely different reality. The whole reason why there's 50cm x 50cm mousepads is because you move the mouse WAY MORE when you have low DPI and low sens.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                in cs go you almost never 180 and if you are you are practically dead anyways if it's about reacting
                so you still are using the same amount of mouse pad
                50x50 cm mousepads aren't even used in competitive cs and if they had a real demand they would be actually on normal retail sites rather than some sperg's site where you have to pay for shipping and have dozens of options that make no logical sense at just a glance

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Okay, so you are just COMPLETELY fricking clueless about everything. Virtually everyone in CS uses mousepads that are between 45-50cm.

                https://prosettings.net/lists/cs2/

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                all of those pads are 45cm
                nothing has changed in a decade qck still on top

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >if you are normal the wire is a non issue
          Well yeah. If you don't aim to be good at video games, then it doesn't really matter.

  52. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    dunno, people are idiots

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >people are idiots
      Are you describing yourself?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Learn to read moron

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Can you teach me how to "read moron"? Is that the language that you speak?

  53. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    What about mousepad that charges mouse? Pretty sure they exist.

  54. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Ganker: STOP PLAYING WITH WIFI IT'S SHIT!!
    >also Ganker: UMMM OF COURSE WIRELESS MICE AND KEYBOARD ARE JUST AS GOOD OR EVEN BETTER THAN WIRED!!!

  55. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    ITT: people who have never actually use a wireless mouse and still believe in memes from the early 2000's

  56. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't like my mouse having a cable, it's annoying because from time to time it creates slight friction
    I don't play FPS games anyway I don't care about latency

  57. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

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  58. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Only reason I wanted a wireless mouse is because of shit Logitech wired cord. Then I switched to a Glorious brand mouse and will never get wireless or Logitech mouse

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