Are Witchs just girl wizards or something unique and special? What's the difference?
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Why they surrounded by all these dead cats? What the frick these people doing? Somebody call animal services.
It's okay, those are the black cats other lives. He's got like 4 more not counting the one he's one.
People used to gather around and kill cats back in the day, burn them alive, stuff them in bags and throw them off roofs, because they thought they were witch familiars
I'll take "things that never happened" for 500
People used to kill cats, because they thought they were spreading black plague. As to the claims of cruelly or the "witchs' familiar" I seriously fricking doubt it was a normal thing (perhaps in some moronic protestant village)
Most likely it was just a random rumor someone wrote down. Most of the things associated with witches were just random shit someone wrote down in a book that they might have made up.
Wasn't there one book in particular that eventually became like a manual for witchcraft but at the time was just this one idiot who was scorned by his crush and wrote a book about how she was a witch for rejecting him. I forget the whole story.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat-burning
>It was the custom to burn a basket, barrel, or sack full of live cats, which was hung from a tall mast in the midst of the bonfire; sometimes a fox was burned. The people collected the embers and ashes of the fire and took them home, believing that they brought good luck. The French kings often witnessed these spectacles and even lit the bonfire with their own hands. In 1648 Louis XIV, crowned with a wreath of roses and carrying a bunch of roses in his hand, kindled the fire, danced at it and partook of the banquet afterwards in the town hall. But this was the last occasion when a monarch presided at the midsummer bonfire in Paris. At Metz, midsummer fires were lighted with great pomp on the esplanade, and a dozen cats, enclosed in wicker cages, were burned alive in them, to the amusement of the people. Similarly at Gap, in the department of the Hautes-Alpes, cats used to be roasted over the midsummer bonfire.[3]
>In Western Europe cats were tortured and mass-burned. Especially in this, France and Spain distinguished themselves. In his book "Ivan the Terrible: The Bloody Poet", in response to accusations of Western European authors and ideologists against Russia of savagery and barbarism, the famous historian Aleksandr Bushkov writes:
>The French had a "nice" habit of burning and hanging cats on the day of John the Baptist. How they annoyed the French so much remains a mystery. The differences between the regions are solely in the specifics of the process: in Paris, cats were stuffed into a bag, hung it higher, and then set on fire. In Saint-Chamond, cats were doused with resin, set on fire, and then chased through the streets. In Burgundy and Lorraine, before setting fire to the "May pole", a cat was bound to it.
> Bushkov as source on Wikipedia
Wild
Check this out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kattenstoet
Also people were generally suspicious towards cats. When the black plague hit europe it was common for towns and villages to first kill off all the cats as they were the first suspects of what could have caused it. Naturally this made the situation worse as the flea carrying rats then had fewer enemies
Meant for
They're strays the witches adopted. The ghost cats ascend to the spirit plane after a while in a home where they're treated kindly.
Look at the red poster on the wall, it's obvious that these spirits are either adopted or from her pets that have died having lived a good lifes before.
Frick/Marry/Kill
Frick the chocolate witch, marry the dark elf, kill the boring whitoid.
Leftoid detect.
Deploying Shapirobeam!
Shapiro can't even pleasure his wife
You fell for the bait of one of your own, wow
concubine/marry/mistress
Frick and marry the elf, kill the mon-keigh.
Marry Elf Witch / Marry Milk Witch / Marry Chocowitch
In Palladium
>Wizard
Anyone who wields learned magic as opposed to super powers that mimic magical abilities.
>Warlock
Anyone who has through the nature of their soul made contact with one (or two) elemental lords, becomes possessed with elemental powers and abilities, effectively gaining super powers tied to the elements, some of which mimic spells (but are better) some are unique to the warlock.
>Witch
Anyone who purposefully makes a pact with a powerful supernatural entity for power, typically an imprisoned demon or shoggoth because they're the only things around that have anything to gain from this. They grant a variety of abilities based on the exact nature of the supernatural evil one has made a pact with and what you promise to do for them in turn. So a ritual sacrifice of small animals might get you the ability to use very simple magic for a month or two, but desecrating a temple and rededicating its energies to further releasing your imprisoned one may get you 1-2 years of a small handful of powers. While actually getting strong enough to handle a shard of your supernatural evil's soul inside of your body (and thus giving him a semi-permanent anchor into your world outside of his prison) will guarantee you a great deal of powers for life, but also gives your patron the ability to manipulate your will whenever he wishes.
Frick Palladium was pretty cool. But nobody fricking played it.
I only know about it because of the Wolfen race uwu
Do woman actually sit in eachothers room in groups of 3-4 and just sit on their phone or gossip all day.
Media has told me this is true but I still want to see it in person, film it like a nature documentary. But not in a creepy way I promise.
>do people really spend time with one another casually?
You can't really expect people online to have friends...or recognize people of the opposite gender as people
Plenty of men and women do, but I am kinda autistic so I tend not to be in those situations often. It feels awkward and silly, but most people seem to enjoy the company even if their attention is not turned to each other.
This is like 75% of socializing in college regardless of gender.
This post makes me less negative about my own social life.
Yes this is completely accurate
Source: I have sisters
Lol. They made something like that in an episode of Dexter's lab. Skip to 14:10 to see a tribe called girl.
https://kimcartoon.li/Cartoon/Dexter-s-Laboratory-Season-01/Episode-010?id=3272
What kind of girl has an Alien poster in her room?
One who likes female protagonists with functioning spines.
Wizards are magically knowledgeable.
Witches are magically competent.
Wizards could possibly cast a spell that will change the world, but might take a month to prepare and find the right rites.
Witches have magic that is actually useful and used.
Go back to your coffin Terry.
No, and just to frick you, I shall posses some git and make him write more discworld books.
I'd be available, for a perfectly reasonable monthly rental fee.
You get the profits from the books, just don't mind if a lot of them get stolen from the shops
You know that as a possessed body I won't be able to publish under your name, right?
It's 3k per month, with 4 hours off for daily maintenance and 8 off for sleep, with extra charges for rough handling.
No. Witches get fricked by the devil.
that's hot
If you're into sloppy seconds I guess
All I wanna say is that all witches evidently have cute feet.
Bullshit. Those are just paid models.
The only one that wrote extensively about witchy feet is Dahl, and, well, cute isn't the first word that comes to mind.
That's just general Dahl fetishisation of ugliness and turpism
I think you're confusing witches with hags. Common mistake. Hags are supernatural creatures that look like ugly old women. Witches, on the other hand, are best known for using potions to enhance their natural beauty.
>dnd-isms
Hags were meant to emulate what witches are like in fairy tales. They aren't called hags in their source material, they're called witches.
I mean I like cute witches but don't make the monster manual your fantasy bible, that's what the dragongays did.
You're wrong, mate. Maybe it's you who's unaware of folklore, so you default to D&D when it comes up. Hags are very much folkloric creatures, like Black Annis of English faerie tales - an evil faerie who looks like a hideous old woman with iron claws. Or, for a better known example, Baba Yaga. She's also a spiritual being, not a human, much less a witch.
>. Or, for a better known example, Baba Yaga. She's also a spiritual being, not a human, much less a witch.
To the extent that "witch" is a job, Baba Yaga clearly is one. She works with herbs and magic in the domestic sphere, lacks an institutional affiliation or human patron, and gained her knowledge from practical experience (of being a spiritual entity).
These creatures you're referring to are all referred to as witches.
Those are folklore in which witches are inhuman monsters.
It's only in kitchen sink settings were human witches also exist that they're called hags.
Yes and also no. Such creatures are referred to as witches often as more of a modern translation, but because you are making a modern translation you would make things less muddy by having your definitions fit a kitchen sink sort of dictionary.
As with most things, this thread's questions can be summed up as "it depends on your setting". If you make a setting that doesn't have witches as a type of mage and has baba yaga type hags, then within the confines of that setting calling them a witch makes sense. In your setting witch might specifically mean someone who made a contract with a devil for power, male or female, regardless of age, and with there being no doubt about the nature of the act being evil.
Or you might just as likely have a setting where all mages are referred to as witches, or they're a kind of race of their own with certain powers.
But much more likely in any game's setting you'll be having various types of mages and calling a specific flavor of them a witch. So it would make sense to designate that kind of monster as something else, like a hag.
I can totally support using 'hag' for baba yaga in kitchen sink settings.
I just don't want people to start insisting that it's the correct word generically.
I have this nightmare vision of someone making a reference to ugly crone witches and a guy with a d20 T-shirt coming out and saying "Akshually that would be a haaaaaaag. You're confusing witches and haaaaaags"
Of course not, hag is an English term, Baba Yaga is not English folklore. The Russian term is "karga" (crone). Crone, however, is a synonym of "hag", and calling her a witch is as much of a mistake in Russian as it is in English.
Yaga is a name, iirc.
Literally Granny Yaga.
No witches are also ugly old women who kill babies to look youthful again.
I agree.
Hotter than you think.
>Implying anyone ever burnt Witches.
BURNING IS FOR HERETICS
YOU HANG WITCHES.
BANGING WITCHES?
COPY THAT
You're half right. Witches were hanged, but their bodies were burned afterwards anyway. Sometimes they were strangled to death.
>Are Witchs just girl wizards or something unique and special?
Both.
Females have different kind of energies than males, so that's why they're able to wield exclusive magics/use some with more potency.
Females are shit at being warriors though, so males aren't inferior or anything.
Only true for humans though, in other species witches tend to come from creatures where females are larger so as warriors they are still better.
But then again, humans are so weak, difference between male and female compared to everyone else doesn't exist.
>in other species witches tend to come from creatures where females are larger so as warriors they are still better.
well those are cuck species, only feminine souls feel at home with them
Not sure anon that works that way, since ultra "masculine" men are the ones whom are usually incompetent in everything and need women to keep them from starving to death, and even then they have to hope women don't just poison them.
So feminine souls are the stronger ones in this arraignment.
Do you realise that all the celebrity chefs are male?
That is something the "uber masculine men" don't know, that is the fun part, they are so idiotic their ideas are out of date a century ago
Why are you so caught up on this term "uber masculine men"? The idea that a housewife would be in charge of meal prep isn't uber masculine, or even masculine. It's just logical given the traditional way people lived for eons. It's only "out of date" because commie morons like you oxymoronically think it's liberating for women to be wageslaves.
Women cooked because the men were working. We now live in a less stable society where both have to work just to get by and you can't raise a family on a single salary. So frick that tradition.
You wanna blame commies but it was boomers living in fear of foreign commies that brought about the state of things we have here.
>We now live in a less stable society where both have to work just to get by and you can't raise a family on a single salary.
And the tradition is the bad one huh
Literally no one considers it a bad tradition it's just not possible for much of America and dumb journalists writing doomsday articles claim it's a trend because of societal decay and not economic decay.
>you can't raise a family on a single salary.
YOu can, it's just miserable and there's the ability to not do it(divorce, abortion, birth control), so less people are doing it lmao.
>abortions and birth control
scratch those off the list, and don't worry they'll take care of the third one too soon enough.
Because it worked so well for drugs
Why would you think that the "war on drugs" is about drugs?
Whenever a thing is banned it's never about that thing. It's always about control.
It worked for Singapore, and, recently, Philippines. The problem is that you can't fight a war with kid gloves on. Dealers must be shot, imprisoned for life, hanged, stuff like that, no democracy, only social surgery.
It didn't work for them though they just lie about it.
Yeah sure, and they instruct their young people who study in England to lie about it as well.
It's bizarre how your pea brain works.
>the state lies
>people from there believe it and parrot those lies
simple as.
And these people live with TV screens taped to their faces and can't see the reality around them.
You are not immune to propaganda. Hell you probably believe some batshit moronic things about your home country and don't realize it.
So alright, all of these people are blind to the reality and brainwashed. Thankfully I have wise Ganker posters who know more about their country than its own people! Thanks for your insight!
>brainwashed
Anon if someone told you a lie and you believed it that wouldn't be brainwashing.
You wanna run and cry because people on the internet told you you're wrong about something go right ahead. You brought this up.
No, I wanna run and laugh at how stupid and arrogant you are.
>arrogant
you're literally smugposting.
I'll never relay what my foreign friends told me about their countries again, because apparently that's smug.
Your anecdotes about casual conversation with friends about their home countries are not an argument for a The Purge style of drug control you wacko.
Yes, weathy urbanites who can send their children to study abroad have no direct exposure to the reality of the drug war beyond media raports and occasionaly being forced to take a detour through the slum. It works the same way as the American old money being oblivious about the reality of the drug problem two counties over. And I say the old money, because as far as I'm concerned both republicans and democrats are blind to the reality.
Like
said, starting campaing of the full on armed slaugher that doesn't discriminate you just end up with tens of thousands addicted citiziens or even randos killed and your society at mercy of whatever group you used to enact the purge.
And alcohol. People forget that one happened. And just how awfully it failed.
The truth is that women lose in all regards, we put up with them for sex. If they want to get treated well they should make themselves useful around the house
>the truth is we put up with them for sex
This is something guys who have never had sex say because women can't stand them and they can't figure out it's their personality.
Women can't cook or code professionally, they can't compete at the top level of chess. Women know this too, they even banned transwomen from competing in women's sports because they have an unfair advantage. The majority of mathematics prodigies are male, women can learn maths too but it has been and always will be men leading the way in this field. All I am doing is asserting facts, does that make you uncomfortable?
Gosh I'm sure you have plenty of sex with that opener.
What I'm taking from this is that men who aren't prodigies provide literally zero value to society.
There are several times more men who are above average intellectually than women, almost everything has been invented by men, there are worthless men and worthless women, but worthless men can still be strong and useful for construction and fighting wars, a worthless women will die with her cats
Worthless? What is this miserable reasoning?
Are you an ant of some sort?
>Men who aren't prodigies provide literally zero value
You were the one who brought it up moron
Hardly, I'm not that anon.
What about all the infrastructure all around you maintained pretty much exclusively by men with blue collar jobs?
So you are agreeing that men have more uses than women?
Unless he is physically disabled he can still do manual labor.
You couldn't miss the point harder.
A wizard is a wise-ard, a wise man.
He is the philosopher the king keeps around for sage advice and the occasional marvelous invention.
Them being able to cast magic is more like an extension or metaphor for their wisdom.
A witch comes from middle english wicche, which could be either male or female.
Unlike the wizard their magic is literal. It doesn't represent a quality.
We only use the word 'witch' to translate magic users from foreign folklore if they are considered evil. So witches are pretty much still considered evil by default.
In fact, the character of the individual might be the only distinction between witches and sorcerers or wizards.
"Witch" is a mage insult. Like "tyrant" for a ruler, or "terrorist" for a rebel.
>"Witch" is a mage insult
I can dig it.
Witch does and always will sound incredibly gay when applied to a man. I don't care how the ancient Saxons used this word, it means a woman now.
I can accept male witches being kinda homosexual.
>started getting an interest in the history of witchcraft right after I discovered I'm bisexual
You might be onto something here.
I like rustic cottagecore aesthetics, listen to both heavy metal and folk music, and have two cats. Should I start questioning my sexuality?
No, nor should you listen to any subversive attempts to corrupt you from your mental wellbeing, either.
>mental wellbeing is denying introspection and bottling everything up until you become a statistic for domestic abuse
are you a cop?
You live in an age where actual shadowy and not so shadowy organizations are created with express purpose of corrupting human beings for monetary gain or worse.
You tell me.
Introspection means nothing, it's just as liable to be compromised or preemptively manipulated by numerous factors as anything else.
You live in a fantasy in your head that only works because you never go outside. "
The men in black won't grab you off your mom's lawn because you're on to their masquerade. The gay agenda wasn't decided around a shadowy organizations meeting table with way too many monitors on the wall, it was decided by a script writer for a talk radio host needing to keep their yokel listeners angry about the decline of morals "these days".
>introspection means nothing
touch grass!
It's nothing new nor particularly bad to not being able to conceive evil in your head, but it's annoying to listen to people proclaim that threats don't exist.
Have you ever seen how warped people who got out of cults are?
Do you for instance even understand how cult leaders manipulate their victims?
>touch grass
Here's an example, have you seen that type of sad anons make threads about being lonely and not getting any girls?
Sometimes they write stories, some people come and give them advice, however correct or wrong, but usually said in a fashion that's not conducting to breaking through their skulls.
Then those lonely anons only end up digging themselves deeper and some of which suffer more. That's merely one out of many ways in which one's own self-reflection can be suboptimal.
You shouldn't dismiss potential threats and tell people to touch grass simply because you exist behind many shields of protections.
Next thing you'll tell me arabic and color revolutions were made by some random nobodies.
Nobody is anyone until they do something worth writing down, and still it has to be written down.
Smart.
>Alex Jones says crazy shit, thus corporations, governments, and academia are all good and only have our best interests in mind.
I love how radio hosts can intentionally warp worldviews, but people with actual power can't. Why are commies so fricking stupid?
I have a graphic novel for you.
Witches are wicked, wizards are wise.
It's a bit on the nose, but ok.
You can literally hear a thousand feminist thesis papers being written off of this line when you read it. It's so on the nose you don't have to imagine why so much modern media has been trying to remove negative connotations from witch.
That said we're probably better for it.
is giving some nice historical context for the origins of the words but we're a few centuries removed from those times. It's good to go back sometimes, like making more folklore accurate elfs, but people will still keep making Tolkien elves.
I mean feminist witchcraft as a metaphor for female empowerment is a fun idea. Once.
There's the patriarchical christianity and 'the man' keeping you down aspect that makes it an elegant analogy.
I get the feeling it's overdone now though.
Witches are still solidly in the "evil monster" category even today. The empowerment stuff is still the subversion.
You can tell by the halloween association and language use.
In a standard fantasy setting it works in contrast to male dominated wizardry, where you have to have the connections to get into a fancy school.
Your standard magic academy fantasy doesn't discriminate against girls at all. The only example I can think of is Pratchett.
You know, I was prepared to argue with this, and then I went looking for examples and discovered I was totally wrong. I was thinking about the named wizards in D&D being basically all-male, but there's no real indication most of them had academic educations.
And even with pratchett the discrimination was a parody called Equal Rites.
While some western media certainly goes nuts, I'm not sure things are so bad that they are overdone.
>I mean feminist witchcraft as a metaphor for female empowerment is a fun idea.
It's also quite literally the reason witchcraft is so popular for girls of a certain age. You know, the age at which guys hit puberty and start getting taller and building muscles and become a potential source of intimidation for girls. I knew like 8 different wiccan girls in high school. Only two of them were rebelling against their overly religious strict and nutty evangelical parents. At least one is still something of a metalhead as a result 10 years later.
But I think cottagecore is a stronger aesthetic than the goth angle that was the main part of it back then. That's what my kid sister seems to be into, along with the weed. It's like a weird marriage of goth with stoner aesthetics, god bless them.
But using it as a metaphor in a story is too on the nose and overdone. Pratchett did it back in the 80s and wasn't alone. It's far from treading new ground and verging on cliche. People still quote that good omens line enough.
But a lot of association with witches, as too many people seem to be bringing up these days, were tied to common things for women who simply lived alone, or were unmarried. Brewers making beer wore pointy hats and were commonly widows in all black as was tradition, working one of the few trades they were allowed to work. Cats to protect the hops from rats, a broom outside to advertise you were open for business. All of those now symbols for witches. That's a whole feminist thesis paper right there. It's also probably only 60% historically accurate.
>potential source of intimidation for girls
>implying they won't just be turned on by muscles
Yeah but you can feel two things at the same time.
>implying that won't make them even more turned on
Anon, I'm not your dad. I'm sorry he failed to explain to you how women to you properly. I hope you really are the 14 year old I instantly imagined you were.
But to put it really simply: women aren't as turned on by muscles as society has told you. They're less about purely physical attraction. It's a perk, but if the guy is sending out the wrong vibes they work in the opposite direction and become a source of fear.
Good "vibes" then duh.
Really, there are all sorts of women.
Yes. But by and large among teen girls there are very many who feel a looming sense of powerlessness as the realities of the world become more apparent and as was the actual on topic: they're the ones who tend towards witchcraft and wicca to feel like they're not completely powerless in the world.
>getting happy that little kids get to frick their brains with the bipolar grass
Sad!
>I'm cool and don't do drugs because a mom blog said it causes disorders in some people
You're too cool for this thread anon you should leave.
Are you seriously being apologetic for drugs?
>weed is drugs and drugs is bad always except for stuff the doctor prescribed for my poorly diagnosed ADHD.
the 90s called, your beanie baby investment is crashing.
All mind altering substances are bad inherently, they do damage that is simply too hard to repair at normal human levels.
Thank you for your super smart input normal human. That is a very common bit of stupidity quoted by the kind of manchildren who go on to ignore the effects everything they eat has on their body, destroying it by the time they're 30 with energy drinks and fast food.
But at least they didn't smoke weed or drink beer.
Is this your argument? That some other things are bad (which are not excused either) and they somehow excuse even worse things?
And with this garbage you have the gall to call other manchildren?
You are a pure vessel of god and you only eat healthy nutritional food and never consume alcohol or use mind altering drugs.
You are a pure normal human and not boring. You're superior to everyone for these choices and that's the real reason they don't invite you to things.
Why are you mocking a notion of simply being good and being in good health?
>I am judgmental of others
>wait why or they mocking me for this
Why indeed anon.
Judgment or even judgmentalism warrants no mockery, for only those don't judge who don't care or have no standards.
Mockery is of malicious intent, judgement is of comprehension, no matter what conflict it may bring.
You just want to be apologetic for questionable behavior, because you're unwilling to stand against it then, is that it?
>judgement warrants no mockery
see there's literally no logical sense to such a statement but I bet you felt like it was a smart thing to say because of your word choice.
I don't even need to make fun of you for this post, it's funny on its own.
Going by your own implied metric of what constitutes logical sense, there's even less logical sense in presuming what logical sense metrics other sapient beings operate on, yet here you are, engaging in the very behavior you mock.
Anon you seem to think purple prose sounds smart and don't have a clue what logic is.
And I'm not going to stop you. Please keep going.
You dropped this
>fedora is doing weed
Don't hurt yourself reaching like that normal human.
No, but sperging out about Christians because someone said something negative about weed is probably the most fedora-wearing thing I've ever seen.
No one mentioned christians anon. That's you bringing your religion into this thread about witches.
I literally pity you. I hope you find the help you need.
>noooo my drugs are legal that means they're safe!
What no copenhagen? No Adderall? No big mac? This starter pack needs work.
You really only need booze all the rest of that + weed, lsd, and mushrooms are for people who try to hard.
is this an actual quote
and from a man whose father worked on chemical warfare projects no less lmao
bullets too are just a chemical assemblages, but they make a very solid argument when properly applied
I'm not the a "no seriously weed is 100% harmless and cures cancer!" stoner, but I think by this point it should be pretty apparent to most people it's such a non danger you'd have more to fear from a poor sleep schedule than you would from occasional weekend smoking.
But when people get weirdly preachy and judgmental and say "mind altering substances are bad" it's the most cliche sign that they have no clue about any of the shit they're talking about.
You can always just eat some hardcore drugs yourself, see how long will you last.
>oh you like beer?
>why not just chug an entire bottle of vodka see how long you last!
>oh you like sex?!
>why not frick 50 men and die from AIDS!
This is why you sound childish. Everything is 1 or 100 with you, no sense of moderation, no idea of a middle ground. Either the illusion of purity of complete depravity.
"eat some hardcore drugs"
I was literally talking about weed, and to you that's hardcore?
Were you to take a power cord with running electricity and jab it into a working CPU would you whine about middle ground as you fry it?
Or were you to disrupt power flows which may damage some components over longer time frame? Do you moderate jumping of a cliff or breathing in CO while staying in a burning room?
You talk of moderation on things which you can't even control, which is the whole direct problem with substances that affect the brain in specific fashions.
>You talk of moderation on things which you can't even control, which is the whole direct problem with substances that affect the brain in specific fashions.
Instead of chugging a big bottle of vodka in 5 minutes I drank two beers and a wienertail over the course of 6 hours on the weekend.
Hey look, it's possible to drink without being a deadbeat alcoholic. That's called drinking in moderation. It's a thing grown ups do.
Sort of like how eating ice cream now and then is ok but eating an excess of it every day is bad.
The difference is you think that by "altering your brain" that removes the ability to logically control how much you have. Sorry to spoil the decades of propaganda intended for kids, but that's just poor judgement in general and not the fault of the booze. People blame it on what they drank but it was all them. If they have trouble controlling themselves they personally should avoid the shit, but it's just on them.
Your blanket assessment of "drugs" is the shit they teach kids and not actually how any of this works.
>coffee is basically like injecting marijuana needles into your eyes
You inject coffee into your eyes with needles?
Coffee's unironically more likely to give you heart problems and dependency than snorting a whole mushroom tho, which worst case scenario will make you a leftist.
Ok, maybe the psych's worse come to think of it.
So did you realize halfway through typing that it was weird to compare weed to coffee and not extreme so you needed to imagine a nonsensical way of doing weed to compare to drinking coffee?
And you didn't see the irony there?
Giving drugs to little children is the equivalent of child rape.
>little children
>giving drugs
Who gives away drugs to kids? Most of these teens buy it off an older sibling who has a medical marijuana card. And it ain't free. They spend their hard earned fast food job money on some weed to share with close friends.
Could be worse, they could be doing something actually dangerous, like alcohol. When I was in school teachers talked like the 80s and 90s high school party culture was still alive and they assumed every kid was getting wasted on weekends.
You make me nostalgic anon.
Ranni did everything wrong.
>tripgay saying all this
bros how do I stop laughing
Do... do you know what a tripcode is, anon?
I'm not an expert on different sorts of shit
Or knowing what you're talking about, evidently.
Me either, bro.
why does /tg/ keep making the same threads over and over?
The post counts have plummeted lately. The overall quality of the board has collapsed. Only reason it hasn't died is because of the repeating threads ad nauseum.
I always liked the idea of a withch being closer to a druid in practice than a wizard.
Personally I go with
Mage: generic term for magic users
Wizard: mage with formal training/schooling
Witch: mage with informal training/schooling
Warlock: mage taught by a non-human
Sorcerer: mage without any schooling/training
Wizard - learnt how to channel magic, magical engineering nerd
Witch - gathered essence of magical beings, kind of a blue mage/magical herbalist
Warlock - made pacts with magical beings, basically a fantasy Pokemon trainer
Sorcerer - magical being that is somehow also a human, usable by warlocks and witches
wizards are followers of Logos, the Word, the ordered, structured, and unchanging
witches are followers of deeper, more alien magic, based around raw emotion untethered by identity or time
also they're all lesbians
Really weird set of fetishes to have, anon
what fetishes are those, anon
wizards are like scientists. They understand and manipulate the laws of magic to create spells, where witches are more natural and emotion based.
Depends on the setting
Relative to sorcerors and other DnD style casters witches and wizards only appear to have aesthetic difference, but that's just when you look at where their power comes from, because that much is the same. If you want to get to the super technical differences:
Wizard magic is a type of scholarly magic. All power comes from knowledge of how the powers work, wizard magic is about learning more than it is about practice. The focus is on the grander questions about how magic works, the pursuit of knowledge, but practical application is secondary.
Witches are the inverse. Magic is a tool being used. Witch magic could be simply living as a fortune teller, medicine maker or herbalist, having a trade derived from learned magic that is applied in a practical way that makes you a part of the community. That's the basic version. On the other end they could be this important figure in their community, one of its leaders if not its primary one.
Wizards are the scientists and witches are the engineers is one awful way of putting it. Wizards are writing books about the latest discoveries and spells from experiments and research, but a witch's grimoire is no different than your granny's recipe book. Nothing that reinvents the wheel but maybe she found the more popular recipes are better without the eye of newt or that the blood of a virgin isn't as necessary and mouse blood works just as well.
Wizard is a grander concept, they aren't limited to mere scholar pursuit, practical applications aren't secondary.
Magic is most of the time a practical pursuit barring specifics.
I'll raise you that witch is a grander concept too in another direction, but when you break both down to the basic nuts and bolts then you get:
>scholarly research
>practical application
And that's a good basis to have in any setting because it allows you to build off of the kind of economy that would establish. Witches might hand down their spellbooks to their apprentices, but the rest of the shelf was written by wizards doing extensive research even if they haven't in their lives had to precure their own eye of newt. They but it from a shop down the street, run by a witch.
It's good indeed, though one can consider them both to be doing similar things, albeit with witches doing things in specific aesthetics and with lesser amount of science.
A talented amateur compared to wizard's high standard amateur or professional, if you will, with special witches being truly studious.
>A talented amateur compared to wizard's high standard amateur or professional, if you will, with special witches being truly studious.
I think it's something more like, say, a machinist versus an engineer, or a social worker versus a sociologist. The latter will probably have more detailed, and possibly more correct, information than the former at every point in their career, but is likely to never reach the same level of applied skill.
Alternatively, it's the difference between an apprenticeship and a degree.
I want to see more of witches and wizards arguing over the specifics of magic due to their priorities. Like the more or less careful ways some people cook or write recipes. Some measure down to exact amounts of spices, others just go with what looks like enough.
Or more anecdotally, my experience taking up wienertail mixing at home and then having a former bartender friend get annoyed because I was measuring shit. Sorry Kris, I know when you're making your 50th daiquiri of the night for an already inebriated customer you can just dash the syrup in, but this recipe has like 13 ingredients perfectly balanced and quality rums, not cheap captain morgan. Do not laugh when I used a dropper to add the absinthe! That shit is potent.
Wizards are male, Witches are female. Both are magic users. I keep it simple.
That's moronic and Rowling and whoever inspired that idea for her should both be hung for this crime to fantasy fiction. I know she didn't start that trend but I can't remember who did and she at least made it more popular for a decade or so.
People on this board keep making shitposts about Tolkien's writing having ruined fantasy but there is no worse idea than "wizard and witch are just male and female mages".
female wizard is a worse idea
I don't care that you got really into harry potter fanfiction when you were 11, but it's time to read a new book.
"No!"
As if it even matters.
When you can frick with time and space changing form to whatever the hell you want at the moment is easy as piss, your sex is just an accessory.
That wizard is female because it's more appropriate to be a girl on the beach than to be a boy on the beach.
>a horrible post gender dystopia where the female body is a fashion choice associated only with bikinis and sex
A horrible postgender dystopia for wizards. And possibly druids.
Everybody else can stay in the body they were born in.
You say horrible and dystopia but I don't think most people would agree.
Right is Rick from Richard and Mortimer
What's weird is I think that pic predates the show. I could be wrong though.
Witch isn't a gendered term.
Depends on the setting.
Here's an idea.
>Witchcraft, still from a feminist perspective, but as the bad guy instead of the good guy.
>It's because women are kept from having ambitions in the legitimate sphere that they're easy targets for the devil.
>The witch cults seduce young women with magic and knowledge, but all it does is victimize them.
>Evil magic only works to create negative effects and they end up destroying their support network and social life. So there's nobody around to save their souls when the devil claims them.
>Only by providing a space for women in the legitimate sphere and actively involving them in anti-witchcraft matters can the influence of the devil be stopped.
>Emancipation defeats damnation.
You're clearly describing warlocks as opposed to wizards or witches.
I think it fits witchcraft as meaning criminal, forbidden magic.
I mean were witches not known as "brides of the devil"?
Basically he's a pimp druglord getting them addicted to his evil sorcery juice.
>>Only by providing a space for women in the legitimate sphere and actively involving them in anti-witchcraft matters can the influence of the devil be stopped.
Substitute any suspect group for women, and drugs/poverty/violence for the devil, and you just have real life. You've created a game explicitly for SJWs from first principles.
The second line of the post mentions feminism.
Emancipation actually allows to exploit women more, so you've just only changed some things and made other things worse.
You guys should probably start saging if you want to just hash out your culture war disagreements.
>thread about witches
>anon is triggered by the mention of weed and rants about morals and questionable behavior
You can't make this shit up.
>anon
anons
>triggered by the mention of weed
Maybe you shouldn't slyly mention your addiction everywhere in an attempt to normalise it.
>addiction
>weed
the 90s called. Make sure to warn them about 9/11 and bill cosby.
I think you should repeat that catch phrase for the fifth time, maybe then it's going to work.
Look out behind you anon, it's a weed!
Depends on the setting, but in mine: Witches are female magicians who pursue arcane teachings via socially taboo means, usually away from civilization. They tend to form covens with other likeminded woman casters who operate in the same region as a support network. Warlocks are the male equivalent, but do not form covens as they tend to turn inwards for support. Wizards / mages / sorcerers / sorceresses are generic terms for magicians.
So uh, this thread's about witches?
Witches sell boozy magic potions and probably do weed while fricking demons.
So what's with all the teetotaler incel paladins here?
Where else would you find a party pooper than at a party trying to poop it?
But seriously, this thread is about the difference between wizards and witches and I think the "witch is a slur against sorcerers" perspective pretty much answers the question.
I think the only actual answer is, as always, "It depends on your setting".
Because that is something that is neat in some settings, but "witch is practically applied wizardry" is also neat, and so is "witches are a specific race with magic abilities" and so is "witches are people who frick demons for power".
We reclaimed witches as pure and cute, and now degenerates are seething.
practice a sunlight spell to ward them off.
Each time you reply to the butthurt stoner, a cute witch cries.
Not buying it anon. Maybe stop being butthurt that witches do weed.
Maybe frick off and let people talk about witches again.
people were talking about witches and then someone casually mentioned someone else doing weed and an anon (assuming you) got triggered and compared it to rape. Which is weird because witches grow a lot more herbs than that and use much wilder drugs and potions.
So maybe you should chill?
Yeah Im with you, post witches. It's funny the tradlarpers chose this thread to shit up. What's witchier than going into the woods and chewing on some cool leaves you found?
I wish my cats weren't such paranoid babies and I could take them on road trips like that.
Okay.
I like that connection.
Nature magic witchcraft for right wing survivalist types.
They're the modern day outcasts.
Distrusted by society and distrustful of society. Choosing to live off of nature rather than go among city folk.
>We've exhausted all options on this magical plague
>We have no other choice. We have to seek out the crazy coot jenkins in the forest
>It's dangerous, and he might shoot us on sight. But he's the only one that might know something about this.
>Just make sure not to bring up gay rights
Besides, what's more conservative than worshipping the OLD gods?
These are shamans. Shamans were predominantly female in the past.
Besides gender and color choice, what's the best indicator of a witch rather than a wizard style of magic? Strings with animal bones? Looking more like a hobo?
Potions instead of scrolls.
Fair, but then how do you differentiate from alchemists? How opaque the potions are or the inclusion of bombs?
Alchemists brew their potions from chemicals and witches from random trash they found in the woods.
Standard "depends on your setting" disclaimer, but witches usually do a lot of the same things as wizards or alchemists; they just don't approach them the same way. They cast spells, but by feel rather by following a manual. They brew potions, but with a big soup pot rather than flasks and stills.
Wizards are physicists, alchemists chemists, both research and practice their science, and witches are about taking both and applying them practically.
Exactly. Theoretical vs. Applied.
Wizards are both. Get knowledge, apply knowledge.
A wizard wrote this. Don't believe them they literally contribute nothing to society.
Wizards are typically depicted as being old and witches as being young. Though it's possible that they simply drink potions of youth to de-age themselves, and wizards, being male, don't give a shit about this vanity garbage.
>Wizards are typically depicted as being old and witches as being young.
Pretty sure both are just as typically depicted as old. I'm not sure where you got this idea.
>I'm not sure where you got this idea.
So modern fantasy digital art mostly meant for video games and not actually by tradition?
Why do you bring tradition into this? You don't live in the 19th century. Google gives a pretty good idea how people imagine wizards and witches right now
tradition as in something present in fiction and not just in empty art with no basis in any story. Outside of anime and MMOs where are wizards all old and witches all young?
Easy. Fantasy literature.
ok, where? That's vague.
I'm not an English speaker and can't give you the examples I'm familiar with, but I don't believe for a second that you don't have an entire subgenre of shitty fantasy about spunky 30-something witches.
Not really, no. Maybe that's more of a European thing.
Even in American media that has young witches there's much older main or secondary characters to represent how the young ones are the exception and not the rule.
Really homie?
Literally one show is a trend? Yeah that was literally one of the ones on my mind when mentioning the exception. Because it's in the name, it's an exception that she's a teenager.
And that show was based on a comic (pic). They deaged her aunts. Here are her aunts, the cliche looking old witches. The punchline to this joke is that they're old enough that deaging 5 years doesn't make a difference.
This is literally 'the' one franchise pre-harry potter. It was also the entire gimmick that she's a teenage witch (so unexpected! A not old witch!)
So outside of the singluar well known pop culture character whose gimmick was the exception to the stereotype, where is this trend you're talking about?
Very entertaining mental gymnastics, now explain why the Witcher doesn't count.
Are you the anon I was actually talking to before or are you joining in not having a clue what I'm talking about here?
I had said "maybe it's an american trend because outside of very notable exceptions there's not such trend".
The trend in question was " an subgenre of shitty fantasy about spunky 30-something witches."
And you thought "the witcher checks all these boxes". Don't just stumble drunk into threads anon.
typo, meant: "maybe it's a European trend"
Nice hags.
nice sorcerers.
The idea has been mentioned a few times before, but the Witcher seems to be a setting with the philosophy of "witch" being more of a slur. Or at least in the opinions of the sorcerers.
>spunky
>30-something
Pick one, my ESL friend.
Where addicts gather, pedophiles are sure to follow.
what the frick does that have to do with anything. Spunky is american slang for youthful energy. Not something you associate with women in their 30s.
But I guess you associate that with... drugs and pedophiles? Are you ok anon?
Spunk is also slang for male ejaculate.
Yes it is but in america when you say spunky that's not the first place peoples minds go, and when you bring up the comparison it's such an old joke it's boring.
Agreed. Which is why I politely corrected our ESL friend. But others seem to be obsessed with ejaculate.
I wouldn't have thought he was ESL without him saying it but you on the other hand have trouble communicating.
Women of any age can be spunky if you try hard enough.
>witches use potions to de-age themselves
>wizards wouldn't do this too
pretty sure any old people with magic would do this. Also I don't know an archetype that is more often depicted as vain as wizards.
Elves.
What if elves aren't actually vain and it's just grumpy old wizards who can't stand a long fair looking race so everything they write in the books is projection?
Is there anything that can't be blamed on wizards?
Yes. But those things can be blamed on witches.
Calssic wizards blaming witches and elves for everything because they're blamed for everything first so it's a cycle of blame that we perpetuate rather than working to understand each other as brothers in magic.
But are those witches biblically accurate?
there are no witches in the bible unless your translation is a really shitty version that is trying to mislead you on something. Like how so many version translate verses about pedophiles to be talking about adult gay men. Gosh wonder which church leaders benefit there.
All those pedos in the church are also gay lmao, not helping your case
>not helping your case
you're right now literally using gays to deflect away from pedo church leaders which is quite literally what the case was. Maybe stop defending pedophiles.
historical witches were more like shamans than wizards
Witches are girl WARLOCKS anon. Its very simple.
Warlocks and witches are casters which gain their magical abilities by making pacts with dark beings such as demons or outer beings. That's it.
Wizards are just the gender neutral term for casters who follow and study the traditional route of mortal discovered magic, gained and learned by the sweat of their brow and bought with time and work, not given in quick and ruinous pacts.
You took the most annoying trope on modern fantasy and made it worse on purpose.
I used the technical definition anon. Witches/warlocks was the historical term (In christian civilization) for those who made pacts with satan or other demons for magical power. Its not a trope, its a definition.
Seems weird to have a title that basically means oath breaker to be the official title of someone who makes important pacts.
Beep boop, here's the 400th "pretending to be moronic" thread in a row!
Cute witches are for heroes to marry after their adventure is over.
Cute witches are the heroes.
Femeale witches commune with Hecate
Male witches commune with The Horned King
anyone got some other ideas what female/male witches can commune with for great powers?
HARD MODE: no satan, keep it Pagan
The Horned *God
big difference
I think Diana is a popular one. Goddess of the hunt, doesn't like men.
Horned god is a fake pagan god actually. Made up wholesale by the Gardner in the 70s. Same with his female counterpart whatever her name was.
"The term Horned God itself predates Wicca, and is an early 20th-century syncretic term for a horned or antlered anthropomorphic god partly based on historical horned deities."
But don't forget that we're talking about 21st century games, not historically accurate religions.
Females with Ereshkigal, "male witches" don't exist.
Unironically Touhou setting where every other animist gets their basic powers from some local deity. Two main ones, Reimu and Seane, are special cases, because their main patron and extra sources of powers are related to their bloodlines. Reimu is part of the Hakurei bloodline giving her both the legendary power to float (no seriously, her source of flight is actually the defensive power capable of matching reality warpers) and grab bag of random powers related to the Hakurei deity, even after his name and rites have been forgotten (he still gives the power boost, but he's pretty grumpy). Seane is basically a very distant descendant of currently strongest of the old gods (Jomon pantheon) giving her own powers in addition to what she gets from her patrons (her ancestor Suwako and her ancestor's rival and currently friend Kanako). Anyway, the point is that the system of patronage work rather well on the local scale to the point where you can possibly get into situation where nearly every animist is unique character powerwise.
You're writing all this shit while Touhou's main character is literally a witch.
Yes, but dude asked about people empowered by the pacts with stronger beings, while Marisa is all about cultivating her own power and knowledge.
Female Witches- The Morrigan trinity, Frigga, Danu
Male Witches- Dagda, Odin, Mananan Mac Lir
We will pray with Aphrodite,
We will pray with Aphrodite,
She wears that see-through nightie,
And it's good enough for me.
We will pray with those old druids,
They drink fermented fluids,
Waltzing naked though the woo-ids,
And it's good enough for me.
Wizards are heavily associated with towards.
They're not all gandalf.
You forgot to mention that witch homes are mobile.
Younger female caster=witch
Older female caster=hag
Younger male caster=mage
Older male caster=wizard
>Ball buster school of magic
For legal reasons I cannot confirm at this time that I know the artist of the picture, however, I condemn all forms of testicular torture.
if i go by pilgrim logic witches get their powers by fricking the devil, wich makes them warlocks.
>pilgrim
>logic
pick one
If you go by pooritan logic, so do wizards.
If you go by puritan pilgrim logic, the same is true for the pope, the church of england, and pretty much everyone that wasn't them.
The puritans were so weird. We like to talk about people coming to America for religious freedom and that's the case for many, but the puritans were so batshit that it was more like self-imposed exile for being unable to live near people who weren't living as strictly and miserably as themselves.
And you can still see the effects they had on American culture to this day.
first i completely agree with most of this.
but second, at the end of the day, what's the thin line that separates a cleric from a warlock? the pope borrows his powers from god, which makes him a cleric.
warlocks make deals with entities for arcane knowledge. once you lose a patron you keep the power.
i think witches are more analogous with warlocks than wizards
that just gets into the same old thing as "is a necromancer really evil if he's creating life/recycling?" It's just perspective.
Is the entity considered a god? Then from that perspective it's a cleric. Is the entity not? Then maybe they're a warlock.
I've been playing too much elden ring but it's interesting how that's a thing at play there too. What is considered holy is just what's on a specific outer god's side, the god that won (for a while) and then fricked up. But when you get down to the details there's gods and entities that are not any worse, some possibly better, and some definitely worse.
I think the DnD guys just wanted to add all the different flavors of magic using guy to their game. The learned it in a magic school wizard, the half human born with powers sorcerer, and the made a deal with the devil warlock.
Discworld's Witches were less about actually shitting spells, and more about pushing already existing effects in the right direction, or just convincing people that something magical happen.
So a Witch will be kinda useless if you want to blast a dragon, but she will probably know enough draconic to blackmail him into acting nice, from infos she would have gathered about him during tea time with the local woodland spirits.
And 99% of the "magical" potions they sell to peasants are just regular-ass herborist stuff, but it's more effective and faster to lie han trying to convince them of trying "modern" medicine.
They do know a bunch of actual powerful spells, but that's the last option they will consider instead of the first (in part because their spells aren't academically designed and practiced, so the side-effects tend to be even wilder than proper Wizard magic).
"Get shit done for cheap, and don't put your fingers in the machine unless you really have to."
Witches are followers of the Wiccan religion. Wizards are basically scientists but with magic.
didn't know it was Stake night.