3D remake of Wiz 1 out in early access now. Built on top of the 1981 code base so underneath the new GUI, QoL stuff and graphics it's presumable mechanically identical.
Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord remake
3D remake of Wiz 1 out in early access now. Built on top of the 1981 code base so underneath the new GUI, QoL stuff and graphics it's presumable mechanically identical.
Wizardry 1 is the second worst game in the franchise with the worst one being Wizardry 5.
I guess they plan on remaking the first 5 game in the same engine if this sells well. The only one to look out for is Wizardry 4.
wouldn't you rather remake a shitty game to be good instead of remaking something that was fine to begin with?
they're not going to rework it at all
Not that anon, but I'm just glad they're remaking anything at all instead of nothing. First five Wizardries cannot be legally bought anymore, and the alternative ways to get them also require tinkering just to make them run because the games are more than 30 years old at this point, and I don't have the willpower for that.
You don't have the willpower to download an emulator, but you have the willpower to play Wizardry in the first place? I don't believe you.
>download emulator
>have to slog through a video game in order to get to talk about it
>nobody cares because it's a dinosaur game that's not on steam
or
>buy modern remake
>immediate endorphin rush as soon as the money leaves my wallet
>get to show off my purchase on steam, where I can interact with other patricians
Isn't there a remake on the PSX which has the first 3/4 games and all the QoL features you would ever want? There's basically no tinkering assuming you get a pre-patched version.
And with 5, pretty sure you can just play that in DOSbox with minimal tinkering.
Wizardry 5 is on PS1 too
1-2-3 in one game disc on PS1, and 4-5 (with original and arrange version of 4) on another game disc. All of these games have untranslated Japanese in them though. SNES version of 1-2-3 released in 1999 has a fanpatch for it to translate the Japanese bits.
>Get AppleWin
>Download Wizardry's disk image
>Run Boot disk on AppleWin
>Press S)tart
>Run Scenario disk
>Press Enter
Pretty fricking easy. I get DOSBox being intimidating but running Apple II games is easy as shit. Only thing you need to tinker with is changing it to an Apple][+ rather than an Apple//e in order to get the fonts to look right (also even the remake's fricked that up lmao)
>DOS Version
You beat the game.
eh I think 2+3 are my least favorite but 5 is definitely bottom tier, it brings several needed improvements to the formula but the riddles and npc puzzles are completely dogshit. Wizardry 1+4 is the god combo for me. I won't complain if they remake them all though
I can't decide if I'd want Wiz8 remastered or remade. There's so much jank in 8 it almost makes me believe that you can't frick up a remake.
On the contrary, it'd be very easy to frick up Wiz8. Consider the following:
>No or extremely limited voicesets, no quips.
>Grimdark/humourless setting, no goofiness or whimsy. Hanged corpses in Arnika,
>One PC, everyone else is an RPC or mercenary (no voiceset), a la (modern CRPG)
>3/4 max party size
>Human/Elf/Dwarf/Halfling/Beastkin race selection
>All hybrid classes are paid DLC; Gadgeteer is a preorder bonus
>Streamlined spell power levels; it's based off skill level alone, can't select it
>Pure fantasy setting - no scifi elements, they're all replaced with magic-themed equivalents
>Dialogue format: Yes, (different) Yes, [Communication check] Yes, No (I'll say yes later)
>"RFS-81 didn't like that!"
Really, I think any attempt to push it into being too much of a CRPG or too much of a Turn-based strategy would really inhibit it.
I'd prefer a remaster, but one that makes pretty sweeping balance changes (resistances and experience values, mostly), removes RPC zone restrictions, and a different implementation to level scaling (segment zones into smaller areas with higher/lower level mobs, closer to the pre-8 wizardry titles).
Mind you, this is coming from a perspective that actually really likes Wizardry 8, despite its flaws, and I find it endearing without nostalgia goggles - I played it for the first time 2 months ago, and I like the era of graphics it came from in general. I think vidya in that style strikes a good balance between detail and readability.
shit modern digital art school ugly trash
The portraits suck but the rest of it looks nice
At least it isn’t anime.
uwu…
I mean it might be an improvement over the ugly art. anime is cute.
Wizardry had top tier anime art when they used Terada though
why are some in color and others are in black and white? are those "under construction?"
I might actually play this instead of skipping right to 6 when I get around to this series.
the ps1 remakes already exist
they also have beautiful art
ugly portrait art.
Gonna try it out, need more modern drpgs even if this is just a remake
>early access
worthless thread
You gotta be kidding me with this shit.
fricking based.
Japs already fixed Wizardry. No need for a burger bland remake.
It wasn't broken in the first place. I just don't get why they don't just fully translate the PS1 version and put that on stores, since it's the best version of all 3 still. This remake seems alright but it's irrelevant
I doubt the guys who made this remake have the rights to the Llylgamyn Saga version at all. The Wizardry rights are massive split up mess and some of those right moved hands recently since there was also that guy trying to make a shitty mobile game with name.
Good point I'm surprised this is even coming out and it's apparently got Sir-Tech's involvement. Didn't Greenburg spend a decade suing them over the Wizardry rights?
As far I know, Greenberg wasn't trying to obtain the Wizardry rights, just get Sir-Tech to pay him royalties they tried to israelite him out of by moving their company to Canada and claiming they're a new company now that doesn't need to follow their old contracts.
I'm not really sure who owns what, but apparently the rights are all split up on who owns Wiz1-5, Wiz6-8, and the right to make new Wiz games, and whether it's in Japan or not.
>it's apparently got Sir-Tech's involvement
>Digital Eclipse Entertainment Partners Co. use of certain elements from Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord have been authorized by SirTech Entertainment Corp.
>SirTech Entertainment Corp. is a company incorporated in 2022 by Robert Sirotek, as a legal entity which owns parts of the Wizardry series made by the original Sir-tech Software.
>legal entity which owns parts
So basically, just an overglorified IP holding company?
Robert Sirotek is still the rights holder and owner of Sir-Tech. Being able to scrap together the rights for Wizardry is actually an achievement in itself with how scattered they are.
Why it isn't anime?
Do they hate money or something?
>Why it isn't anime?
Anon, Wizardry was never anime.
>Anon, Wizardry was never anime.
That's just cultural appropriation though. Wizardry was never meant to be weebshit
yeah, samurai and ninja weebshit does not belong in wizardry
Anon, back when Wizardry was in its formative years, most westerners' concepts of ninja and samurai were painted by the martial arts films of that era. They weren't "weebshit," but rather a western interpretation of these eastern things with western sensibilities applied.
>cultural appropriation is okay when the West does it
yes?
>cultural appropriation is okay
it is always ok you absolute drooling monkey brain homosexual, what the frick is wrong with you?
The whole souls series is cultural appropriation.
What are you? Fricking stupid?
back when wizardry was popular people who worked on games were watching literal bootleg fandubs of anime
if 7 samurai was released today you homosexual ass mutts would call it weebshit
no, he's right, ninjas and samurai were popular well before anime gained traction in the west, they are cool things from japan separate from anime.
Wizardry was made for dorky college kids that liked anime.
so, teenage mutant ninja turtles was aimed at college kids that liked anime?
have you seen the comics that started it?
yojimbo and seven samurai were greatly loved by college kids that liked anime.
akira kurosawa was a massive phenomenon
what are you even trying to argue here apart from exposing your delusions?
that more things exist in heaven and earth than anime vs not anime
you are the one seething at anything japanese as "weebshit"
mutts like you are the reason why fistful of dollars ripped off yojimbo 1:1 and became popular because it wasn't "weebshit"
fistful of dollars was an italian movie. yojimbo was ripping off an american detective story. it's a lot easier to understand the world if you don't have fake grudges blocking your brain. sorry.
anon he's probably like 60 years old just ignore him and let him die at this point.
oh, if you want to watch the american movie kurosawa copied, it's the glass key, 1942.
Japanese shit in general is just culturally ruinous trash. Its partially responsible for the state of the world today.
>Its partially responsible for the state of the world today.
The West pretty much invented Japan. See: Meiji era.
anon, the left side is like most isekai slop. unless you provide the full story, it's all crap. you can frame it as "intelligible" as you want.
>mutts like you are the reason why fistful of dollars ripped off yojimbo 1:1 and became popular because it wasn't "weebshit"
I wished. IT just ripped off the plot but didn't get the important thematic parts of Yojimbo. The two gangs being dicks, the sword/gun metaphor for east/west being replaced by revolver/rifle (which is a theme, of what) and the husband was CHEATED out of his wife, not gambled and gave her up cause he was desperate. So many little things changed to made it worst
Great movie I love it but Yojimbo is purposeful while Fistful isn't
Lol, the creator of Wizardry ended up founding AnimEigo, he was a huge weeb
>weebshit
>1981
no
I keep having to remind myself that up until this remake, Wizardry has exclusively been a asiatic indie game series for the past 20 years. As opposed to the Wizardry I actually remember from when I was a kid.
The PS1 and Win98 moonrunes infested asiatic exclusive Wizardry 1-3 remake was pretty good though.
Should be able to mod in anime portraits
should've hired the artist behind dungeon meshi to make portraits
Kurosawa is not a dumb Jap, he was a trve virtuoso. The west claims him.
>The west claims him.
Kys stupid western chauvinist homosexual. I am sick and tired of people like you.
See? We can make this kind of an absurdly reductionist argument the other way as well.
This is kind of a stupid one, considering e-girl comes from e-girlta. It just proves that the Japanese have no originality.
That's just the plot of a Tales from the Crypt story.
>portrait of a man that is haunted by a severe childhood trauma that causes him to misplace his affection to a seemingly immortal snapshot of youth; corrupted by the mere fact that the lens of young love corrupts when one member is an older man that allows a girls normal mistakes through adolescence to be with a balding 40 something year old man. he has no closure, is left as empty as he was before, not knowing that the ostensible whims that swayed him form a composition for a perpetual eternity for longing of a life stolen from him; and like a vampire, all he can do is syphon it from other.
>piss baby child has an aneurysm that kills him while his solipsistic world view that only autistic children would agree to dies in piss when caught with 30 terabytes of CP on his gaming pc.
Its so ugly that the Apple 2 graphic option looks better
I wanted to play the Apple 2 version of this game, but it keeps crashing the emulator whenever I select a character in gilgamesh's tavern. Any ideas?
Also, are there premade characters in the Apple2 version?
>>Also, are there premade characters in the Apple2 version?
IIRC you need to create a save disk yourself
>Also, are there premade characters in the Apple2 version?
No. There shouldn't be. Can I recommend you use this version:
https://www.zimlab.com/wizardry/proving-grounds-v3/
It's new, it's the original game with a bunch of bugfixes. Got tons of well-written documentation with it as well.
I tried it, then I tried the PSX remakes. I prefer the later much more. The sound and art are way better.
I asked in another thread, but is there a wizard game where having smaller parties is doable, like 3-4 party members?
I wanna try blobbers but I don't want to create like 6 characters and manage all their shit constantly.
Not Wizardry but a lot of DnD Goldbox blobbers had small 4 man parties. The two Ravenloft games did for sure. Might and Magic had versions with 4 party members too.
just fyi goldbox denotes the engine use in pools of radiance, champions of krynn, etc. it doesn't mean a d&d game published by ssi, dungeon hack, ravenloft, menzoberranzan, and such are dreamforge games, who also did anvil of dawn.
Legend of Grimrock has you create only 4 characters. I don't know about 2, but 1 also has a secret unlockable mode where you play as only 1 character.
The Dark Spire is pretty much a Wizardry game with 4 party members.
Dark Spire was pretty good, though it had its problems like having to resort to external sources in order to know what weapons do and not having more scripted boss fights (the mid-boss fight theme gets used 3 times in the entire game and it's a good theme).
Other than that I loved the fact they allowed different formations (1 front, 3 back or 2 front, 2 back or 3 front, 1 back) as well as actually giving you access to back line weaponry from the get go so Thief isn't just a glorified trap-detector for most of the game.
I'll take Sarah, impregnate her, and kill the other creaturas.
If I get this tattooed on my face do you think Asian women will have sex with me?
nobody likes tattoos
you'll only attract trannies.
Between the SNES and PSX remakes which one is more faithful to the original?
Neither
Both of them use the reworked level design for the NES version
The PSX version. This guy
is moronic, the SNES version is based on the NES versions, but the PSX version is directly based on the Japanese PC versions that use the original level designs, item names, and mechanics. They just added auto-mapping and being able to reroll stats during character creation.
>but the PSX version is directly based on the Japanese PC versions that use the original level designs, item names, and mechanics
What japanese PC version moron?
Apart from the PC Engine version all of the japanese ones are based on the level design of the NES versions.
The PC-88, PC-98, FM-7, Sharp X1, and MSX2 versions which were published by ASCII. What do you think I'm talking about? The NES and SNES ports were made by Game Studio who arranged the maps and mechanics. The PSX/SS/Windows ports were done by Locus, and those are based on the PC versions. The only thing in common with the NES version are the enemy sprites, and even those were originally used in the MSX version, and PSX also gives the option use the PC-88/98 enemy sprites if you want.
>The PC-88, PC-98, FM-7, Sharp X1, and MSX2 versions which were published by ASCII
You mean the same company that published the NES version?
>The PSX/SS/Windows ports were done by Locus, and those are based on the PC versions
The PS1 version is based on the NES level designs for 2 and 3.
>The PS1 version is based on the NES level designs for 2 and 3.
No, it fricking isn't you obstinate c**t.
Here's an image showing maps of the first floor of Knight of Diamonds. On the top are maps of the PC version from a couple sources. In the middle is the first floor from the NES version, clearly different. And on the bottom are screenshots of the in-game automap of the first floor from the PS1 version that I just took, where you can clearly see it's using the PC version's map.
you are wrong anon
>Hawkwind is black now
Of course
It's kind of amazing how well this game holds up. Maybe it's just because the scope is smaller, but it's far more accessible than Ultima. It completely nailed the concept of a dungeon crawler right from the start.
they need to remake 6. it's such a great game, but the ega graphics that only had one tileset really didn't do it justice.
they did
its on the SNES
they need to remake wizardry 7 to add more combat speed options, hotkeys and an improved map
What we truly need is a soulful Wizardy 4 high budget JRPG remake by a japanese studio, featuring Werdna in all his protagonist glory.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1705069542517711027
Wizardry Variants Daphne closed beta next month. We'll finally see what the game looks like.
Is this Wizardry gachashit? If it's all first person, why not make the party members live2D instead of PS2 models?
>$30 for an Early Access game
>Early Access for a remake of a 40 year old basic-ass dungeon crawler
>party members actually appear to warn you about a trap
such a nice feature.
that's neat
This could work with alingment.
>hire chaotic or evil thief
>step on trap
>'Did I forget to warn you about it? My apologies, haha'
Yeah, because that totally wouldn't get old after the 2nd or 3rd time.
>being evil or chaotic means you're a moron who intentionally tries to get your allies and yourself killed
Where did this meme come from?
americans getting wiped out by their israeli "allies"
From having played RPGs with 'that guy'.
>it's what my character would do!
evil no, chaotic very much yes, they'd want to see it happen once and laugh at your ass
Might be a dumb question but which one is this?
thats variant daphne
the mobage which isn't released yet
I enjoyed this game much more than I thought I would. I'm talking about the Ps1 version though, because that one lets you reload a previous save if something completely fricked up happens. I was unlucky enough to trigger a teleport trap all the way down on floor 8 that sent my party into rock, and if I actually had to create a new team and start over I would've quit right there and never touched another Wizardry game. So yeah, Wizardry is really good if you cut out the games most egregious bullshit.
Games used to be made as a CIA torture method before Carter outlawed them and the spooks had to make their money back by selling them as entertainment
>So yeah, Wizardry is really good if you cut out everything that makes it Wizardry.
Amazing.
Have you considered that maybe the series, and perhaps even the genre, just isn't for you?
Nope lol. I do what I want. Frick grinding out a whole new party. I reloaded my save, got to Werdna, and literally killed him in one shot with tiltowait.
>Varient Daphne getting PC release after all
Kino is back on the menu, boys
I hate the portraits.
The portraits are pure homosexualry.
Cool ill check it out i like wizards and it sounds like its about wizards
Nah, it's actually about getting dabbed on by ninjas.
it looks very low budget
at least they didn't make it anime like that last wizardry game. still it's probably going to suck like every other remake.
>at least they didn't make it anime
would've been an improvement if they did
This looks like it was made with AI. Guess that'll be the new loweffort cashgrab technique.
>Unlike every other Wizardry game, to learn spells you have to kill enemies to obtain ingredients that you can convert into stones to learn and upgrade spells with
>If you want your spellcasters to do damage, you have to grind enemies for hours to rank up their damage spells
>Worse, a certain class requires these stones to rank their stats up so you have to grind even more if you want to use that class
Wish they used a different system but I guess grinding is part of Wizardry.
i never felt like wizardry was that grindy. it's so huge that you can generally level up organically while exploring. the only time i resorted to grinding tactics is leveling up swimming skills in wiz 7. go in the water, move two squares, climb out, rest, go back in, etc. until you can actually swim without blowing through your stamina. the grindy part of wiz 7 though is searching the walls for hidden buttons. if you're not using a guide, you will spend a lot of time walking sideways through dungeons looking for buttons, but while you're doing that you're leveling up because of all the random fights, so it sort of works out.
>the grindy part of wiz 7 though is searching the walls for hidden buttons
Detect Secret spell.
fug. i never think to use non-combat spells man. mind blown.
Armorplate, Enchanted Blade, Magic Screen and the other spells that you can cast outside of combat and persist with icons in the globes at the top of the screen are extremely useful. They make the game a lot less painful, especially boss fights.
>i never felt like wizardry was that grindy
they are all grindy as frick
the first game has murphys ghost to cope but the second game requires two high level parties at the minimum
Do some EO games not use a simplified version of this?
>Black person characters
It's all so tiresome
>literal fantasy
>blackskins are useful
Seems about right.
There's gameplay of Variants Daphne now.
>party member race, class and bonus points are all gacha
Lol, lmao Still, would try out if it gets English release
Only bonus points seem to be gacha, minimum is 5 and maximum is 10? I think. But I doubt it will matter at higher levels since this isn't a game like Fire Emblem.
>video has been deleted
seems a good chunk of JP content creators that uploaded vids from the CBT deleted it due to either NDA or to respect the devs' wish to not have the story spoiled
I just want MM1 and 2 to get the Bard's Tale treatment. Still good fun.
>Crag the Hack.
This works on many levels. As it is a reference both to Might and Magic and The Bard’s Tale (Brian the Fist)
I am considering suicide by the way as this knowledge is worthless.
I liked your comment. Hope you're still alive, anon.
MM1 got the NES version
It's not a bad way to play, but it's a bit slow and the music gets repetitive quickly. The 16 bit ports of 2 and 3 are good though. Love how the full art map correctly corresponds to what is in game on the grid.
The PC-Engine version was recently translated too.
https://www.romhacking.net/translations/7052/
Ninjas are the most unfun thing in Wizardry.
>at a point in the game where you have no way of reviving members in dungeon or resisting beheads
>group of ninjas ambushes you
>die
There's nothing you can do but rely on luck, it practically forces savescumming if you don't want to go back to town multiple times in a row simply because you got unlucky.
Not really an RPG but has anyone played the first-person mild-horror point and click "dungeon" crawler that is Theresia?
What is the purpose of cursed rings? Just easy infinite gold?
You wear them to make the game harder because you're a big dick Chad.
I thought it worked similar to the PS2 Wizardry title that was released in the west. I sorta liked that game but since these types of games are really boring despite interesting world to explore I never finished it.
But I might buy this. it's charming. Not as charming as the PS1 jap release though.