>Hired 100 new developers to work on the expansion
>Best expansion since Legion according to all the major content creators
>Listening to feedback and releasing new content faster than ever
>It sold less than BFA
>It sold less than Shadowlands
>Subscribers around the 500k mark in the west
>People are still not coming back
>Classic and Wrath are thriving
What went wrong with Dragonflight? How can they fix it?
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>What went wrong with Dragonflight?
blizzard has no competent developers
Is there actually anything to do at max level outside arenas and raid/m+?
Uhhhhh you can run 15 year old raids for a 1% drop item
No and the drones still playing this speedrun them 24/7 i dont even know what goes through their heads.
You can visit the cashshop for some mounts
arenas are also basically only for experienced players. you play against dudes who have been tryharding pvp for over 15 years by now, they have 10 addons to track everything, 20 macros all hotkeyed to their 25 button mmo mouse, know every class in and out pvpwise and follow the current meta without fail. if you go in there as a guy who hasnt played pvp since 2010 and just wants some fun, you just get slaughtered without knowing what the frick is even going on.
No, and that's what ruined Dragonflight. The memes about boomers that play out of habit are true, and those same boomers actively hate the game and complain about having to play it. Any time there's content beyond raid/M+/pvp, even something as minimal as Shadowlands' "do a 15 minute roguelite 4 times to craft one powerful piece of gear of your choice", the players b***hed and moaned about how they were being forced to play the game more than the raidlogging they already barely stomach. DF is the result of the devs giving that subset of the playerbase exactly what they asked for: you spend an hour doing a new questline at the start of each mini-patch and then you raidlog for the next 2 months. The people who are literal addicts and would keep their sub going after the servers shut down are happy, and the people that actually want to play the game have nothing to do and unsubbed.
no the open world content is boring as frick and the story sucks besides a single questline that you complete in 1 hour
>Best expansion since Legion according to all the major content creators
here you go, according to paid actors, according to actual players it's the worst expansion ever made
Because WoWlets and Blizzdrones scream and wail every fricking expansion that this is the one that killed WoW.
>Vanilla
Ruined Warcraft, destroyed the feeling of warring states and replaced it with powercreep
>TBC
Ruined WoW, fricking Belves on Horde and the big-ass Draenei/Eredar Retcon? Attunements for every fricking raid? Fricking Blizzard fricked the game WORST EXPAC EVER
>WotLK
Fricking Northrend isn't just the literal north pole with ice shawls everywhere? Fricking Muradin isn't dead and Arthas was mindcontrolled all along? Raid Finder? That moronic Horse? FRICKING BLIZZARD
>Cata
Old-World Revamp and fitting Reddit-tier meme writing into the questlines at every turn? Thrall Green Jesus? Spiked Difficulties in Raids and Dungeons FRICKING BLIZZARD
>MoP
PANDASSSSSSSS FRICKING BLIZZARD CHANGING MY TALENT TREES
>WoD
WHERE THE FRICK IS MY RAID TIER AND WHAT THE FRICK IS THIS TIMETRAVEL SHIT BLIZZARRD BLIZZAAAAAARD
>LEgion
LEGGOS BLIZZARD WHERE IS MY BIS LEGGO ALSO WHAT THE FRICK BROKEN ISLES ARE POPULATED WTF?!
>BFA
ION WHY DO I HAVE TO FARM AZERITE FRICK YOU ION THE FACTION WAR SUCKS NO ITS COOL IT WAS BETTER THAN FIGHTING N'ZOTH AND HIS CORRUPTIOOOOONS
>Shadowlands
BLIZZARD TORGHAST GRIND WTF BLIZZARD FRICKING JAILER STUPID LORE WTF "DILLIGENT FARMING" IOOOOOOON
>Dragonflight
HOMOSEXUALS EVERYWHERE IOOOON
And - of course - the same player base almost killing themselves over how shit [current expansion] is, starts to gush over how cool [previous expansion] was and reminisce about the good times they had. The Worlo players are as dumb, consume driven and guillible as the next Zoomer waiting for a fix of a couple flashing lights.
people love this expansion sisters
the opinion of bitter ex-wowgays does not count
>It sold less than BFA
They only said the preorders and initial sales didn't beat shadowlands, shadowlands had more preorders than any other expansion since cata
>according to actual players it's the worst expansion ever made
post your character dude
Ganker is a XIV board you troony homosexual
more gay centaurs
>Best expansion since Legion according to all the major content creators
OH MY GOD NOT THE CONTENT CREATORINOS WITH THE ONIONS FACES THAT GAME THE YOUTUBE ALGORITHM FOR HITS OH MY GOOOOOD
>What went wrong with Dragonflight? How can they fix it?
YOU ARE TAKING YOUR FEEDBACK FROM FRICKING TERRIBLE CHANNELS YOU moron HOW DO YOU EVER EXPECT TO IMPROVE YOUR PRODUCT WHEN YOU EXIST IN THIS VACUUM CHAMBER
>OH MY GOD NOT THE CONTENT CREATORINOS WITH THE ONIONS FACES THAT GAME THE YOUTUBE ALGORITHM
You literally described every content creator. That's why YouTube is such a cesspool. Literally nothing of value would be lost if it vanished tomorrow. I will even argue that TikTok is superior. At least you can coom to it
It's a game for trannies now
>What went wrong with Dragonflight?
It followed BFA and SL.
>How can they fix it?
They can't fix it the only thing they can do it be humble, keep doing good work, and slowly win back trust from consumers. But its Acti-Blizz so LMAO that isn't happening. They have a headline about being moronic greedy israelites every single week. If D4 and OW2 didn't exist they might have a better chance ingratiating themselves to customers again.
the question is who is the game actually trying to market to? is it traditional Warcraft fans? well the devs offered something extremely fricking sappy and gay and alienating as a follow up to SL which itself irrevocably shit all over the past two decades of worldbuilding. is it the twitter scene that harps on the aesthetics and tone of the franchise for being problematic? they don't play the game and have no interest in starting to play it. is it the addicts who will keep speed running their dungeons until the servers are shut down? there are apparently a decent amount of them but it won't draw in new players or bring the ones who left back.
They made it very clear to me after Korthia that I, a 17 year sub was not wanted anymore. They removed dozens of voicelines, jokes, and sexy paintings from the game that had been there for over a decade, if not the very start, and brought back the Mage Tower from Legion. Legendary patch, the first one where they CUT more content then they added. Truly insulting. Go frick yourself, Blizzard.
>They removed dozens of voicelines, jokes, and sexy paintings
well acti-blizz take home message from the whole cosby suite, cubicle crawl, breat milk theft, sexual harassment scandal was that the fans are outraged at the male frat culture at blizzard and want more feminist wokeness. go figure. the players should have shut up and declared that they dont care, instead they dunked on blizzard because some guys at blizzard had sex with female coworkers with the obvious result of wow getting a frickton of feminist censorships and even more women-diversity-equity-esg people in the dev team.
about 50 people on twitter cared, no one who actually played the game gave a frick about the devs acting like actual men
any PR is good PR, ami'rite, it's blizzad after all
Everything's fine
look they need to trick people into playing wow, the marks are getting uppty about their "react" grift and when ask simple questions they start spazzing on the ground
well they drove all the casual players away years ago, now they are working on driving away the hardcore elitist's by trying to appeal to the pink haired twitter crowd
they underestimate the damage caused to the player base after the double serving of shit they offered up back to back with Battle for Azeroth followed by Shadowlands
There have been terrible expansions in the past but surely not on the same level as these two the game went flatlined into a half decade of pure trash, from story, characters, quests, to scuffed endgame systems and lazy, greedy design decisions they were begged to change from a passionate playerbase, they refused to listen, this was a guaranteed mortal wound to WoW as a whole, they may be able to stem the bleeding with new expansions and trailers, giving us red loose draenei, and all the other new shit they're desperately cramming into it, but the bleeding will never stop now, its the bitter, bitter end of many years of incompetent and arrogant poor decisions
>guild I was in since BC died 2 weeks into 9.1
>hear similar stories from others during SL
I didn't come back, and now I understand that every time a guild dies it's a possible quitting moment for everyone in the guild. I have no interest in fitting into a new social circle in this game after so long, my guild was the only reason I continued playing past the year+ of SoO. I just hang out in the old guild discord with a few of the boys and play shit like deep rock now, but none of them played WoW for longer than a month or two at the start of DF since the guild died.
The developers burnt a lot of bridges in BfA and SL by constantly talking down to players whenever they brought up legitimate complaints. The process.
>"Hey these new mechanics you want to introduce in the new expansion sound like they will suck."
>"It hasn't even been played by the beta testers, stfu and give it time!"
>"Hey, I beta tested these new mechanics and they suck."
>"It will be better when it goes live, stfu and just give it time!"
>"Hey I just played the new expansion and these mechanics suck."
>"WELL IT'S TOO LATE TO CHANGE LITERALLY IT'S UNCHANGEABLE! FRICK YOU IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT!
New patch
>"We have listened and we have heard you. We had high hopes for these mechanics but it wasn't fair for -some- players so we decided to scrap it to stop then from complaining. Anyways, a new expansion will be out next year with these new fun mechanics!"
Rinse and repeat.
Also, they double down their whole "we are smarter than the players mentally" by putting out those advertisements for Dragon Flight where they take player criticism and shit on it by rping as smug dragons.
There would be so many forum threads with something like
>[thing] doesn't really work. Here is my math to back it up
>numerous people agreeing
>dev shows up
>your tools don't show the real math
>only dev tools can see it and it says you're wrong
>no, you can't see it. you're just wrong.
>months later [thing] is quietly changed after players have all either rerolled or just learned to live with it
>What went wrong with Dragonflight? How can they fix it?
WOW is a massive hulking sinking barge of shit. They can't really fix it because its such a huge mess.
I'm unironically having more fun in classic wrath. Was way easier to find a decent guild there
The only good thing that they did was reworks of the talents tree system. And that's not something that could sell a full price expansion. Main features of Dragonflight is your standart new zones, disgusting gay dragons and new flying system. There is still tons of things that they can add or rework something. Instead they are trying to bait people with new sets, mounts and pets.
>>It sold less than BFA
Wrong, it sells more
>>It sold less than Shadowlands
Wrong, it sells more
around the 500k mark in the west
Wrong, it has more than 5 million
Dragonflight is a success because it's an expansion made by players for players.
>WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!! IT'S A SUCCESS BECAUSE.... BECAUSE I SAID SO AND I'LL BACK IT UP WITH MY OWN NUMBERS!!!
>You are viewing paid content jpeg
>No steamie meltdown on sight
???
troon game
Ok, say all of that is actually true, why did they ruin it all by making the playable race actual troony Dragons, instead of an established species like Dragonkin?
Armor/Gear fitting the character model is not an argument, it's just admitting to being lazy lol
Why do we have to keep pointing out how Blizzard isn't a video game company anymore, but a gay rights organization wearing a game dev's skin and why do you keep coming back here to try and convince us it's not.
Nothing is going to change our minds at this point, you need to spend a decade or more rehabing your brand, not continuing to keep pumping out shit lol
Half a decade of genuine IP destroying shit with BfA and SL. BfA could at least be patched up to work but SL was such a massive nuke to the IP from the ground up that it'll take years and years to recover if at all.
XIV is going through the same shit with Endwalker and soon Dawntrail. Mark my words.
I would have probably subscribed if it didnt have overtly PC narratives on top of an already uninteresting theme of
>imposing creators and dragons
hell, make it pirates/old gods/BfAv2 with same scope, same gameplay, same loop and maybe I could even stomach gay centaurs
Is their new MMO almost done yet? They better fricking have WoW 2 or something ready to go or else I don't know what the frick they're doing for the next few years.
the only games blizzard has in the release pipeline now is whatever the next WoW expansion is, some unknown survival type minecraft game thats a new IP, and rumors of a new starcraft which are dubious at best
Yikes. Blizzcon is going to be boring.
Blizzcon isn't fun for it's announcements, it's fun for having spergs on full display (second only to GDQ)
modern Blizzcon might actually give GDQ a run for it's money on amount of trannies on screen
>marxist devs
>lame ass dragons
>still the same 20 year old gameplay
snooze
>>Best expansion since Legion according to all the major content creators
Just come back to the sinking ship anon, its better than ever, its in no way related to the fact that my income and livelihood is tied to this.
The actual gameplay in WoW hasn't changed in over a decade. There are only 2 things that make or break a WoW expansion
>timely content release cadence
>engaging setting/lore/villain
Look back at the last successful wow xpac (legion) and you will find these 2 things. Look at the worst wow xpac (shadowlands) and you will not find these 2 things
Dragonflight has the fast patch cadence but it is absolutely bottom of the barrel awful when it comes to setting/lore/villain. There's literally nothing to get excited about. They hired a ton of new people to work on it but most of them have no clue what makes wow wow. The tone of the game has strayed too far from classic warcraft and has become too disnified which alienates everyone except the tiny minority of trannies who enjoy that shit.
Look back at all the great xpacs. They all had awesome villains and were grounded in classic warcraft themes and lore.
They will be able to churn out fast content but without capturing the soul of warcraft wow will never be popular again. If the rumors of the next xpac being pirate themed are true that is fricking awful. Warcraft is not about fricking pirates.
>Look back at all the great xpacs. They all had awesome villains and were grounded in classic warcraft themes and lore.
why BfA is in top 3 for me and is better than Legion
sorry, chuds
PvP island expeditions were dope, it's too bad they were too afraid to tie real gear loot drops to it. Could been amazing.
Torghast too for that matter; it was fun for me, and it required certain item levels, but it never rewarded gear. Really fricking stupid.
>PvP island expeditions
tried them once, was instantly bugged that the game didnt explain what i even had to do, teammates just rushed off, did frick knows what, i had no clue, no one told me. then they died, cursed me and left. stupid game.
same with the warfronts. to this day i have no idea what you were even supposed to do there.
I often lament that I shared game space with a moron like you. No joy in killing you and an absolute burden to be grouped with. I only wish you had killed yourself by now but lo, you deliver unto me yet another disappointment.
they put laser focus on only catering to hardcore players and get gear through raids and mythic+ dungeons (adding mythic+ and turning the game into a speedrun was their biggest fricking mistake) and telling everyone else to frick off
I seriously dont understand the speedrun thing. Why do the dungeons have timers? Why not just make them progressively more difficult and balance the game so that you can't be super tanky and cheese it over a long time or something
cause the goal of current WoW is to get geared as fast as you can, so you don't have to actually play WoW. Current players just want to log in, run their instances, flash their epeen at the players they think suck, then log out. no one just runs around in the world anymore like you did it was new
wow players are degenerate losers who would wait 10 minutes for bloodlust for every single trash mob as a 5 man tank group so they could beat a m+666 in 20 hours.
(adding mythic+ and turning the game into a speedrun was their biggest fricking mistake)
I genuinely dont understand this. sheeping 1 mob and slowly killing things was boring as frick. ill suffer through a brutally hard dungeon for a good reward, but id prefer to go at a faster speed. good players naturally want to go faster and pull bigger because they are good. being so powerful that you can blitz through a dungeon has been a player fantasy since vanilla
timers are largely irrelevant, even in m+. the only time the m+ timer even matters is when you are going for timed +20s to unlock portals. you still get loot and m+ score from failing timers so it literally doesnt matter. i dont get why people care so much about it. go make your own turbo slow boomer 5 sheep/hex/ice trap group if you wanna take it slow, be my guest
>hey put laser focus on only catering to hardcore players
I find it pretty funny that WoW did the same thing that Wildstar did but because its Blizzard they got away with it.
Blizzard had stopped doing long raid attunements by the time Wildstar released, and none of them were as bad as Wildstar, unless you count AQ
>The actual gameplay in WoW hasn't changed in over a decade.
Wrong, PvE and PvP are in a new state
>absolutely bottom of the barrel awful when it comes to setting/lore/villain
The triad (pic related) is maybe the best villain in WoW since Kil'jaeden
>most of them have no clue what makes wow wow
Wrong, Dragonflight is the more WoW expansion, full of adventures, explorations, grind
>were grounded in classic warcraft themes and lore.
Wrong, nothing is more classic than the Dragons
>If the rumors of the next xpac being pirate themed are true
Wrong, next expansion will be the Titan invasion
>What went wrong with Dragonflight?
From what I can understand, nothing.
The problem is BFA and SL absolutely decimated the player base and they're never going back after being freed from the maze.
Exactly. Dragonflight is the Redemption (filler) Expansion and the real expansion is 11.0
I just don' loiyk warlo wawa no more.
The only thing this trash is good for anymore is pumping out furry porn.
god why are tauren so hot
I don't know, they're the master race. The men are hot, the women are hot. Minotaur dominance.
I feel like dsharp only does the same shit but it's always so hot regardless.
I don't get how people can still play this shit, I tried it this summer after a 5 expansion break and the game was dull as frick. Maybe people are using it as a chore simulator because they have nothing better to do, but it's just mindless mashing and grinding for timegated stuff
It's busy work for the sake of it. It's such an awful game I wish people could see it.
>What went wrong with Dragonflight?
Blizzards reputation + old game with old "solved" mechanics and busy work filler content + predatory monetization of an already expensive videogame (nothing justifies microtransactions in sub based game)
>How can they fix it?
They can't. Blizzard is literally riding on the nostalgia of a 20 yo game that hasn't been good for at least 10 years
Just let it go
>What went wrong with Dragonflight?
Fricked around and found out what it means to cash out on your customer's loyalty.
Also the cancer that is WoW token has finally killed the game. I couldn't be more happy.
WoW's too old now. Way too many things in the game but it all feels like shit. Leveling is boring and overly cinematic. It's ok if you turn your brain off and just follow icons. You'll never die. No danger in the world. Almost as bad as FF14's pointless overworld.
WoW's battlegrounds and PvP are awesome though. There's so many maps now that the random rotation feels great. But it's not worth paying monthly for PvP you can get in a dota2 match or something for free. Then all the bullshit time you have to spend leveling and gearing to be competitive. That used to be part of the fun in old WoW versions... not anymore
catering to pvp gays is what killed wow cause it led to the gearing issues that have plagued WoW for years cause pvper's cant handle not being able to one shot people in all situations
>What went wrong with Dragonflight
Dragonriding
???????????
Stop listening to paid shills. All those hype are lies. Blizzard pays these e-celebs to talk positive about their games. Shit like drops artificially boost stream numbers to make it look like the game is thriving. Make you wonder how much of the budget is spends on these shilling campaign instead of developing a good game.
>Make you wonder how much of the budget is spends on these shilling campaign instead of developing a good game
Yeah it's pretty obvious
Most streamers are full of shit I have no idea how people enjoy watching them
I have a theory that blizz literally pays asmongold to shit on them. That's literally all he does, yet he still plays their shit games. Feels very forced so he is obviously getting paid to do it.
Stop being so negative.
11.0 has been confirmed kino (and different). Personnelly I'm very hyped for it
is this a real video or a meme post making fun of wow content creators saying "wait for next patch"
but legion was shit that only got bearable towards the very end
it's not the game, it's the players.
people think that WoW used to be fun but it isn't anymore.
isn't it just such a wild coincidence that "the time when things were better" just happens to coincide with when you were an adolescent with no responsibilities, plenty of free time, learning new things and having fun every day, got to see your friends all the time at school/college, etcetera, before work and adult responsibilities set in and ate up all your time?
WoW was better back in my day. cars were better back in my day. basketball was better back in my day. no, none of that shit was better or worse. what changed was you. you grew old. WoW can be more like classic or it can be more different or it can be the same as ever, but the one thing WoW can't do is make you young again.
WoW isn't less fun, you're just less capable of HAVING fun. because you're not a kid any more.
and it fricking sucks.
youth is wasted on the young.
>WoW isn't less fun
spoken like someone who hasn't touched the game in ages, the game fell from grace in all aspects
>isn't it just such a wild coincidence that "the time when things were better" just happens to coincide with when you were an adolescent with no responsibilities, plenty of free time, learning new things and having fun every day, got to see your friends all the time at school/college, etcetera, before work and adult responsibilities set in and ate up all your time?
Every time people bring this dumbass argument they don't get that there are and is still people (like me) who enjoy the Vanilla or TBC content over the retail. The game was good back then and its still now, they only ruined it.
explain then how people still love wrath and classic
the only good versions of wow are vanilla and vanilla classic. and i say that as someone who was 38 in 2019 when vanilla classic started and has played all expansions up to classic
its not youth and nostalgia, the 2005 build of wow is unironically and really better than everything that came after it.
>People still love Wrath and Classic
>You're merely pretending to prefer the original setting that encapsulated everything that defined the game at it's core
>It's merely a coincidence that a trooned out woke variant of WoW flopped, why it's your fault!
Are you one of the devs? Talk about cope the post. Midwits like you are completely unaware of how the quality of vidya has degraded.
you are 100 percent wrong, the problem is not us, its the industry and the effect of technology. people want to be entertained regardless of age, look at all these boomers going out to see barbie, its infantile, but entertainment is amplified by technology and people are addicted to it. millennials in their 30s are radically different from how boomers were in their 30s. but new AAA games are literally unfun, they are dumbed down and have too many cutscenes. there is little player engagement. the industry is just churning out shit these days, games that game out in the 90s-2010s were objectively better
xiv troon melty
lets see some sources for your claims, OP
>local moron chooses to ignore how patch cycles work
>more at 11
What's the easiest chromie time expac to dungeon spam levels in?
>NOTE: I DID NOT ASK FOR THE ~FASTEST~ I ASKED FOR THE ~EASIEST~
warlords of draenor
BFA and SL back to back really destroyed WoW and caused a lot of people to leave and never look back. Even if content creators and the general consensus is that the game is in a much better place now and feels good, it doesnt matter. Legion was HUGE and successful and really helped pick the game back up from three bad expansions in a row. But what happened after Legion? Two expansions that were worse than cata mop AND wod. Sure DF is good, but until they see another expansion that is on the same level or higher? People aren't going to come back.
troon devs
troon players
troon game
>100 new developers
>Can't come up with a reward that's not a mount/pet/mog
This is really the reason why I think people are seemingly sick of wow.
world of warcraft is shit but i don't know what other mmo to play or hell even what other game to play.
>Hired 100 new developers to work on the expansion
Dragonflight was already mostly complete before the hirings, actually.
>>Best expansion since Legion according to all the major content creators
99% of the game is still masochistically progressing through Mythic raid with 19 other morons who all need to do their 8 M+ dungeons every week for maximum loot drops
What else do you want it to be? 200 hours of braindead leveling?
The game has been the same since legion aside from minor things like dragon riding. M+ and modern raiding are boring and most guilds are dying, the only people left are transmog troons and sunken cost autists farming mounts.
>>What else do you want it to be? 200 hours of braindead leveling?
Literally yes, that's what people want, that's why vanilla is so successful. The 1-60 journey and casual 2-3 hours of raiding braindead content.
>Literally yes, that's what people want, that's why vanilla is so successful.
No one enjoys mindlessly grinding mobs for 200 hours. People want to play a video game.
OSRS one of the most popular MMOs right now
>Involves grinding for 200+ hours
Vanilla WoW, the most popular version of WoW
>Involves grinding for 200+ hours
Every asiatic MMO
>Involves grinding for 200+ hours
Get out of the MMO thread moron, this genre is clearly not made for you.
>Vanilla WoW, the most popular version of WoW
anon everyone knows classic era servers are dead. you don't need to make up lies about it.
Classic eras as alive as retail. HC is also coming out soon which is what most people are waiting for. On top of that turtle has 17k+ pop.
Vanilla is alive as ever.
>Classic eras as alive as retail.
Going off the only quantifiable source, parses, it can be argued that vanilla is doing much better than retail. Retailcucks have literally no source in their favor.
>fresh classic coming out soon which is what most people are waiting for.
>tbc classic coming out soon which is what most people are waiting for.
>SoM is also coming out soon which is what most people are waiting for.
>HC is also coming out soon which is what most people are waiting for.
>You are here<
>Cata classic is also coming out soon which is what most people are waiting for.
>mop classic is also coming out soon which is what most people are waiting for.
>wod classic is also coming out soon which is what most people are waiting for.
most of vanilla is leveling and it did fine
yeah that must be why nearly every classic era server is a ghost town.
classic had it's time in the sun twice I don't think modern lobby will ever get to say the same.
>yeah that must be why nearly every classic era server is a ghost town.
That's because they released TBC and wotlk servers. and there's also som. and there's also the original servers. And next therell be hardcore servers How the frick is anyone supposed to know which one to play on? Easier to just go to Turtle wow.
Sounds pretty chill tbqh, I liked exploring the world and having a big toolkit full of situational abilities in classic. The other big dog ffxiv also has a gorillion hours of leveling content.
>The other big dog ffxiv also has a gorillion hours of leveling content.
90% of it is watching movies and the other 10% is split between arcade instanced content and auto-running between NPCs.
gee what's more fun running around exploring the game world or endlessly repeatedly running the same 2-3 raids and 4-5 dungeons over and over and over and over. Devs push multiple difficulty tiers of the same instances and forcing you to run them endlessly cause they are lazy cheap fricks and it means less work for them
>what's more fun, holding W or playing a video game
gee i dunno lol
>playing a video game
if by that you mean just install add-ons that tells you what 4 buttons to push and when yeah that real fun there
even if that were how it worked (and not a laughable reduction), it's still more fun than running around an empty 3d landscape with nothing but mobs with no mechanics that walk around in circles.
>Even paid shills hate it
grim
I don't play because I'm not moronic, but from time to time I do check how the game is doing. I love sentient, talking, intelligent dragons in fantasy settings. But WoW dragons are such unbearable homosexuals. the way their dialogues are written and preformed is so lame and shallow I cant help but roll my eyes with every cutscene. It's like the devs were sure they're delivering LotR levels of world building and narratives so every time a character opens its mouth it needs to sound like an actor's first ever audition for a Shakespeare play.
feels good not being a 15 year old burned out neckbeard enjoying the raids and the non grindy nature of dragonflight
It's been said before, there is a mountain of problems that have amounted from all the bullshit they've added over the years, but they don't even recognize most of the problems anymore because it has been too long. It is apparent to most of the audience now that the game has hit a developmental dead-end.
>everything is p2w and games as a service slop
>dragqueen dragons and gay centaurs/frogs
and for blizzard i bet nothing went wrong, and they are probably beating records on revenue because even if the playerbase is getting smaller most of the remaining players are domesticated towards rmt, botters alone make millions a month
Act-Blizz makes more in a day from the King division and their mobile games than Blizz makes in a year, which is part of the problem cause they keep trying to shove the money-making mobile shit into their other games
I would think about playing if they made it free to play, but 20 canuck bucks a month + box price every 2 years is a bit egregious - especially with all the timegating. Emulation is free and I'm getting way more entertainment playing through old 3ds games than the 2yrs+ I played wow through last patch of bfa into beginning of dragonflight
I don't follow the current WoW, but some times is see people defending subscription in favor of F2P because it would invite more bot.
Will it becoming much worse than the current goldfarmer bots?
As long as the token exists as a way to turn gold into real world money botting will exist. At endgame botting literally has no impact since anyone pushing m+ or pvp at a decent rating is a real player and raiding with your guild guarantees real players as well. Botting only really effects people who like to play the auction house, and even then they butchered the auction house prices by opening it up interserver
>SoO
>ToT
>Timeless isle
>tanking being fun and engaging.
>best leveling experience
>every specs viable in pvp/pve
>legendary cloaks
>treasures
>3 separate raids at the start
>HC inside HC (toes)
>CM sets
I want to go back
it's pretty funny how opposite MoP and BFA class design were, MoP was peak button bloat but your throughput was 100% determined by your skill with your class while BFA was extremely streamlined but all the random azerite powers and corruptions and procs meant your throughput was almost completely out of your control
all because the game just doesn't teach you how to play your character organically (or even tell you what you are doing wrong) but the developers want to make more and more mechanically demanding content. I still remember the absolute asspain over needing to get a silver in proving grounds to do heroic dungeons and how many people got filtered by it, while it was funny it's pretty telling that when the game was at 12 million players it was all about AoE clearing piss easy dungeons for currency to buy welfare epics and as the focus on difficult content increased the player count absolutely collapsed
If MoP shaman was more like WotLK it would have been a 10/10 expansion
>20yo cash cow built on 30yo archaic tech that whales refuse to let die and corporate want to keep collecting ez paychecks
literally the simpsons of video games
>major content creators
You'll get a more accurate opinion from a random Gankeranon than any of these twitch/youtube prostitutes, none of which i can even name
To answer your question honestly, it's basically become a souless painfully woke parody of itself like a caricature oldgays on Ganker would create to mock this game except it's completely unironic. You have to understand it's a corporate company gutted of any talent with ESG politics and a dev team that are genuinely twittertards invested in culture war and hyper partisan views held only by the most painfully middle class champagne socialists of California. These are people that see offense in everything and don't have an iota of talent.
tl;dr ship of theseus
>How can they fix it?
They can't.
I care too much about story/lore/worldbuilding in videogames to give me a sense of agency. There is nothing they can do to unfrick story/lore/worldbuilding.
Also the game is filled with furries, which are worse than trannies.
the recent expansions stink to high hell of being weird furgay OC draped in the skin of Warcraft, it's absolutely fricking insane that both of these images are beast races from the same IP
It's a shame these IP's are being held hostage by mentally ill troons and their C-suite masters of bush era republicans
The people left only want their raid simulator to keep going, they don't care about the game being good or having a story, just as long as number goes up, it's fine, this is so repulsive, the addiction is so strong they openly mock the time when the game was growing and actually popular
>It's a shame these IP's are being held hostage by mentally ill troons and their C-suite masters of bush era republicans
Is warcraft that great of an IP? What still needs to be said in the Warcraft Extended Universe (tm)?
>that brief period during 8.2 and the launch of Classic WoW where, for just a small moment, it felt like WoW was back
>Classic and Wrath are thriving
gotta source for that and not one where every character to log in = one account
I think the game is in a good place. It could be better but the same goes for any game, really. I am level 69 and I am taking a break from the game because I'm really into something else atm. I would recommend to play if you're looking for a MMO that has gear dopamine drops.
>What went wrong with Dragonflight? How can they fix it?
Unironically they just started fixing the game. Albeit bit late.
And the fix was very simple: Add more mounts, chievos and most importantly: Transmoggerinos.
Who the frick cares about raids? Who the frick cares about PvP? Only 0.001% of elitist Black folk.
Most people are casuals. They are happy with LFR, low rated arena and some low effort M+.
Nobody raids mythic. Nobody plays arena above 1.6k. Nobody does m+ above 15.
Which is why blizz finally started catering to the main target audience: Casuals.
>They are happy with LFR
nobody is happy with lfr. lfr is meaningless so casuals have nothing to strive for and there is no thrill to it since its a guaranteed fast clear. it ruins the game for casuals and makes them quit instantly after their first lfr clear.
in vanilla casuals worked on molten core and onyxia and zul gurub and aq20 and slowly cleared bwl and at least parts of aq40, which was an achievement and made casuals happy. lfr is no achievement and doesnt make casuals happy.
>Which is why blizz finally started catering to the main target audience: Casuals.
there are basically no casuals in retail wow. retail wow is the absolute worst mmo for a casual. you get treated like a toddler and being served the whole story content on a plate without you having to work for anything. there is no reward for a casual in there.
a casual isnt an idiot and even a casual wants a challenge.
>a casual isnt an idiot and even a casual wants a challenge
There are actual toddler tier casuals
There are indeed a lot of people who only do lfr and some casual raiding
i am a casual mostly because of time constraints, i have raided in past expansions and have done +10 and up to+15 keys in legion and bfa, i am not a bad pve player and lfr is just an insult to me and completely meaningless. its 0 fun and completely invalidates the normal difficulty of the raid, which then obviously no one does.
You are still not casual. I mean truly normie tier casual. Zoomer tier casual.
those do not play wow. wow is a millenial game. zoomers play fortnite and minecraft. and even the most moronic casual wants a challenge and a mmo.
in vanilla classic you needed to team up just for leveling and doing leveling dungeons so even casuals got their mmo social experience and had to overcome challenges.
nu-wow doesnt offer that to casuals, you dont need to team up, you dont need to communicate, so no social aspect and the lower difficulties mean there is no chance of losing, so its just boring and feels meaningless because a game you cant lose is meaningless.
i dont know why that is so hard to comprehend.
LFR in Cata was a good idea, but Blizz listened to the crybaby raiders and killed it by making the gear in it a joke and preventing you from even doing it for weeks so "real" raiders could see the story first
just let me say the Black person word and mock homosexuals, i'll subscribe for at least a month. Changing the EULA to explicitly allow free speech is the only way i will know Blizzard is committed to being based.
i wish blizz would just lease out the warcraft ip at this point so we could get some fresh ideas maybe like total war warcraft
>>Best expansion since Legion according to all the major content creators
well i see where the fricking mistake was made
hmm who should we listen too about the game, the casual people who play for enjoyment like 99% of the playerbase (we used to have) or the people who treat grinding for 12 hours a day as a job, cause it is for them
I thought they said it was the fastest selling Blizzard game ever?
The game is good. It lasted a whole month before people started quitting.
wow is boring and stale
legion
>20 man mythic raid
>m+ exists
dragonflight
>20 man mythic raid
>m+ exists
4 expansions and nothing has changed. compare that to the absolute WHIRLWIND of design changes from vanilla to cata
never thought about it like that, but you're right.
jack shit has actually changed in the last seven years.
I give Dragonflight an ok/10. I do enjoy the changes to the classes (The ones I've been playing so far at least). Story is meh but I don't know how they could do any better after Shadowlands.
>Almost all old villains are dead or out of the picture for now
>All the interesting heroic characters are dead or out of the picture right now. Or worse, re-written into being boring cucks (Malfurion is a prime example)
All blizzard could really do is use DF as a new starting point to build things up for later. And I guess thats okay. Something I've notice recently is how back in Shadowlands, Everyone with a youtube/twitch account was crying for "Please, This story sucks! Just give us something passable in DF" And thats honestly what we got.
Horde and Alliance major characters barely play a role and I'm glad. They're both suffering from shity characters. All the interesting ones are dead or... out of the picture.
As for the aspects
>Bronze: Chromie is fricking annoying and takes me out of any sense of "Warcraft" when I have to ever deal with her. So I just avoid the stupid b***h. Nozdormu is useless and a cry baby.
>Blue: Had something going there. Mostly a "Lets tie up loose ends and make peace with the past" Its okay but kind of dull.
>Red: I don't remember much of this other than the Tyr quest. Strange and kind of boring as well as creepy with how they kept talking so highly of Tyr.
>Green: Was there a questline? I don't remember and don't really care. Legion had a decent story for them.
>Black: Only interesting one for awhile. But ending poorly. I'd prefer no aspect had been appoint so far and the story of Wrathion and Sabellian had continued rather than Ebyssian being appointed. Ebyssian was a fine character in legion but suffers from the same bullshit character writen as current horde characters "So sad, So so sorry" Boring and unfitting.
tl;dr: Story is boring and whatever. but not offensive.
>but not offensive
whoah there, buckaroo
>What went wrong with Dragonflight? How can they fix it?
The dragons are one of the worst things about wow. Nobody cares about those homosexuals and the new class is literally just a fursona from second life.