>nearly 20 years old
>still defining and redefining what it means to be the best MMO in the world
>devs confirmed listening to players
>open world focused
>cross faction guilds
How tf is Ganker sleeping on Dragonkino like this is? Is it because Shadowlands was mid and cringe?
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10.1 is looking so promising that me and all my guildies have resubbed.
Haven’t seen stormwind this busy in years.
Heck yeah!
This couldn't looked more astroturfed if you tried.
>Dragonkino
When you see this phrase in the OP you know that Blizzard marketing made the thread.
Hell yeah little buddy! Get some loot!
What are you maining for 10.1, Ganker?
fury warrior
ill wait for proper hardcore servers. apparently there was a classic version upgrade from 1.14.0 to 1.15.0
dont think its that far away
>ill wait for proper hardcore servers.
It's called Turtle WoW and has an average of 6k+ online with records being broken every month.
thats not hardcore though. plus the private client feels so jank and slow after using the classic one
It absolutely is hardcore. Your moronic retail "hardcore" where you can appeal to a fricking council on discord and get deaths overturned is a joke.
are you moronic or just esl? i dont play classic hardcore as it is right now, where everything depends on the addon
they are adding actual hardcore realms where death is permanent by default
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/news/hardcore-realms-datamined-from-10-1-classic-era-331845
>they are adding actual hardcore realms where death is permanent by default
source?
link in the post you replied to
i already clicked that link before asking, it just says the word "hardcore" was datamined. i'm asking for a source that blizzard is making "hardcore servers where death is permanent by default".
>Cata completely fricked up the pacing and old world, it's biggest trash of all.
who cares? no one plays WoW for the collect 10 boar ass quests anyway. cata content was enormously better than anything previous to it.
yeah, hardcore realms were datamined and blizz has already contacted the hardcore addon devs and they've been in talks
client version also received a bump in version
so expect proper hc servers soon
>where you can appeal to a fricking council on discord and get deaths overturned is a joke.
that only applies to stuff like griefing, glitches, disconnects, etc. not sure how you didn't know that.
>that only applies to stuff
therefore not hardcore, good job proving his point lol
no, hardcore is a very specific type of challenge. stuff unrelated to the challenge obviously shouldn't impact the challenge. very simple to understand.
>t-that only applies to certain deaths
Deaths being overturned = not hardcore. Sorry.
not hardcore
you didn't beat the game
I'm sorry but that's how it is
but don't despair, the most important thing is having fun
black and white thinking is a symptom of autism.
it's also symptom of playing hardcore you softcore baby, you either die or you don't
>it's also symptom of playing hardcore you softcore baby
no it isn't.
> you either die or you don't
black and white thinking is a symptom of autism.
You're arguing with an idiot that's just using "nuh uh" level responses, anon.
Okay, I assume you would be okay with a one in a trillion cosmic ray bit flip hitting their servers and killing you for no reason to be counted then?
>the gay discord council overturned 4 (FOUR) deaths from the same female streamer during classic
>the "hc" community still thinks it's hardcore
sad
i noticed you left out how she was killed.
>he's actually aware of this and still thinks hardcore is real
Absolutely laffin, just like everyone else
i have no idea who you're talking about. i'm just pointing out that you left out how she was killed. is that because you can't make this argument without being dishonest?
>so if I get spotty connection I can get infinite revives and still call myself hardcore?
If lag kills you, and you prove it, then yeah.
>she was killed
If the run continues, it's not hardcore. Sorry.
>is that because you can't make this argument without being dishonest?
No, because only you accept the premise that cause of deaths matters in the first place. No-one outside of your gay discord community thinks this way. I can't wait to see the shitfits get thrown when Blizzard official servers don't allow the HRT cabal to decide when a run ends or continues.
>No, because only you accept the premise that cause of deaths matters in the first place.
The cause of death matters, yeah, especially in a game that doesn't have inherent infrastructure to support the game mode. The only reason it wouldn't is if you're a braindead puritan with no critical thinking skills.
>The cause of death matters, yeah,
No, it's a hardcore run and you died. The run is over. The game has no "infrastructure" to supprt dying because you sneezed, but you wouldn't accept a sneeze as a cause of death. Cope.
>No
Yes
>you wouldn't accept a sneeze as a cause of death
Because sneezing is a mistake made by the player, yeah.
>sneezing is a mistake
Laffin at the level of cope
>no argument
That settles that, then.
>can't actually refute my argument
>has to claim sneezing is "a mistake"
>"i w-win"
I'm sure you do, anon. You're so hardcore! Hope you manage to get that 58th death overturned by the council. The game wasn't designed specifically to prevent your exact cause of death, after all.
You haven't explained how sneezing isn't a mistake.
It's an involuntary bodily response. The exact same logic which would make disconnecting an overturnable cause of death would apply to sneezing too, or having a seizure, or anything similar. It is absolutely laughable to have deaths "overturned" in a hardcore game mode.
>It's an involuntary bodily response.
And?
>The exact same logic which would make disconnecting an overturnable cause of death would apply to sneezing too
Sneezing is caused by the player. Disconnects aren't caused by the player.
> Disconnects aren't caused by the player.
They absolutely can be a problem on the player's end, anon.
>going to die
>yank the cord
>free life
it’s not dark souls, if you yank the cord you still die
Then you whine to the discord council and get it overturned, which was the whole conversation.
>sprinter spazzes out and falls, losing his
vs
>someone runs onto the track and trips the sprinter
how do you think the olympic qualifiers would handle each?
I think the race would be deemed invalid in the second case. The sprinter would not appeal to a council of discord mongs, have his appeal granted because he's a female streamer, then be placed back at the exact spot where he was tripped for the race to continue. We would not even be having this conversation. People would not lower themselves to claiming the race was never interrupted.
ah, so you didn't understand the analogy. checks out i guess.
>n-no, you don't get it
Unless the tripped runner would be allowed to continue from where they left off, your analogy doesn't really work. Are you saying the runner would simply continue from the point where they were tripped, and the result would still be regarded as valid? Because that's the only way for this to make any sense.
>If lag kills you, and you prove it, then yeah.
and you consider that hardcore? LMAO
anyway you know the rules, breasts or gtfo (because there's no way pussy as you could be male)
This isn't an argument. Try again with an argument.
so if I get spotty connection I can get infinite revives and still call myself hardcore? cool (not)
>that only applies to streamers
t, ftfy
>GM
this game has less than 3 months before total troony meltdown implosion
>she hugs you
That's pretty cute
homosexual
>troonywow
lol no, may as well play dragonflight
Torn between ww monk and spriest
That priest tier set is unironically a must have
Panda shaman
Uninstall Wizard
Can't decide. I've tried out ret Paladin recently due to the fotm and it's actually fun, so either stick to that or try out warrior or monk.
Balance druid
frost dk
Destro Warlock
want to play my frost mage but it fricking sucks
Why does it suck? I main frost mage and I was thinking of resubbing.
It doesn’t, Frost mage is easy mode, arcane is better for twinking but who gives a frick.
frost is perfectly fine and arcane is gigaburst but is also very high apm
fire is just shit
yesh, shadowlands was shit
my steam back log
i really just want you to know that this kind of stuff is autism and schizophrenia to the highest degree you fricking weirdo
sure thing wow troony
you played the game so what does that make you?
someone who used to play blizzard games, any more questions troony?
so you're an ex-troony?
literally rent free
>rent free
lmao blizzard isn't sending their best troony shills
yes thanks for proving my point
you have to go back
This is the clinical definition of "Rent Free". I couldn't even imagine writing up all of that schizophrenia without feeling at least mildly ashamed.
ok troony
why did you post your family portrait here
why can't these kinds of people just accept they are closet crossdressers and not actual biological women? if the Europeans and Asians have been doing it for centuries, why can't they roll with it?
If they were just crossdressing fruits people wouldn't be forced under threat of social destruction and unemployment to pretend that they are heckin' valid beautiful women.
i think the dilemma with this epidemic is capture in your post perfectly;
its not vidya related, but to say crossdressing is for fruits only, despite heterosexual's doing the same shit too, is what is causing the problem. said 41's feel the 'approved' way of crossdressing is only possible by emulating their opposite sex, hence the need to shift.
solution is that perceptions of fashion is gonna have to update, especially over in America. they'll have to get back into touch with the European side eventually.
Maybe. I know a lot of them do it for the social protections specifically, and because they feel if they are seen as women they will have better lives.
Maybe it is that expectations for how men are meant to act and dress is simply too restrictive in modern times.
social protection is definitely boosted if you identify is trans, there's absolute proof of this.
and yeah, how men are expected to act like men in the modern world is doing more harm than good. perception of being sentimental and artistic as a guy is still perceived to only being exclusive for homosexuals/women/trannies and that isn't a good thing, no matter what people claim.
if that shit was true, we wouldn't have ever gotten Warcraft or Final Fantasy, let alone most of creative media.
>Trannies aren't living rent free in my head! I'm just saving hundreds of pictures of ugly trannies every single day and devoting the entirety of my free time constantly talking about them! It's totally normal!
Lmao
go play your troony dragon in your troony game
>lmao
How much of your hard drive space is devoted purely to pictures of ugly trannies? How long did it take you to amass your treasured collection?
Is it that damaging seeing yourself get posted? be glad you're on a blue board, troonyBlack person.
>be glad you're on a blue board, troonyBlack person.
What difference would this make?
go spam about trans rights on the blizzard forums, you wont win anything here.
>wow shill troony has to reuse images
lol
>nooooo don't point out troony insanity
cope harder troon
since we're talking about crimes!
leftist israelites don’t care about the destruction of the west obviously
>that Robin Hood pic
wtf Disney
>you wont win anything here
Your seethe is prize enough
Uninstall Wizard
Wanted to keep playing my enh shaman but blizzard have decided to make us clunky and rng based again. Probably going to swap over to elemental since their 2/4pc in the new raid seems brooooooken
Ele is miserable to pvp against I know that much
There are too distinct builds and the elemental blast build is very fun.
>elemental blast build
That's the one i'm currently playing. What really shits me off about enh right now is that our stormstrike is basically a filler button. You have to invest 2 (two) whole points into a dogshit talent just to make it a 100% chance to generate 1 stack of maelstrom weapon when you cast it. They need to either make that baseline or just give stormstrike a base 50% chance to generate a stack. Sometimes I go like 3-4 casts of stormstrike before it even generates a single stack and it just fricks up the entire rotation banking on my builder button to actually build
Sub Rogue as usual. It's so easy and performs so well and Blizz won't touch us.
spriest
>Maining
Such an outdated concept. All classes and specs
I'm not a homosexual or a troon(homosexual) so I will not be playing dragonshite
Blood, UH, and Frost DK. Every other class is too reliant on healers.
My wallet
Is it fun to shill a game that everyone hates? Does it pay well?
>OH NO HES ENJOYING SOMETHING, QUICK, GET HIM!
oh look, the salty XIVbucks have arrived.
The only ones playing these types of games are suffering from addictive personality disorders and the MMOs are preying upon them, nobody actually wants to play them if they could choose.
>salty XIVbucks
You need to stop letting the Japs in rent free WoW-sister
Gameplay wise, no other mmo compares to wow sadly. Even when they've fricked up classes in past expansions, it's still a fair step over every other mmos combat.. Which is normally passable at best.
If anythings better, recommend me them because I'd enjoy something more fun. Mainly like real fantasy settings. Not shooting, or whatever the hell New World was trying to be.
frick off blizzard you homosexual fricks
this current raid sucks dick this shit was so fricking easy
i miss sepulcher that was fun (until they gutted all the fun bosses, fricking Black folk)
t. heroic pugtrash
>How tf is Ganker sleeping on Dragonkino like this is?
I'm on classic hitting wolves with my staff.
dragonflight is not on god no cap fr fr
my pronounce are feed/sneed
Shadowlands wasn’t mod, WoD was mid, shadowlands was a fricking trashfire. Dragonflight being better than shadowlands is like saying stubbing your toe is better than getting shot.
i haven't played wow in some years but i keep hearing theres really nothing for people to do if you aren't interested in raiding
I’ve just been crashing auction house prices on transmogs.
Can you put an ashelia belt on the EU AH for under 100k?
Not on Eu homie. Idk if it would even work on euros I just put up green/grey mogs for like a tenth of the price and People panic drop their own prices. I then pull my auction and vendor.
There's also PvP but do you really want to become a pvpsweat in fricking WoW of all things?
And then people like to bring up Maze+ but if I wanted to speedrun Greater Rifts I'd boot up D3 instead.
I hear Dragonflight is pretty good with its world quests and shit and how much more alt friendly it is but at the end of the day you're still being funneled towards raiding because it's really all this game has.
Wrath Classic is going through much the same thing right now and people are so bored of raidlogging they're making alts on Classic era instead to do this moronic hardcore challenge thing. At that point just go play something else.
pvp has never appealed to me in any mmo i honestly forget it exist most of the time,also how is DF more alt friendly?
Catch up zones and quest skips. Once you do the main quests on your main, alts can skip chunks of it, basically allowing you access to the new dalaran as soon as you Hit 60.
well thats cool,i might give DF a try when it eventually goes on sale again even though it feels like thats been happening a lot lately,might stick around long enough just to get something to cap
Has it been on sale? Blizzard just recently had a sale and DF was notably *not* discounted.
i think it was sometime last month
>Maze+
What is this referring to? I see it mentioned in WoW threads sometimes.
mythic+
it's a difficulty system for dungeons that scales up indefinitely, the higher the dungeon level the harder it is and the better the rewards
why the frick would he call it maze tho and not just m+
it's a reference to rich campbell calling addicted wow players ants in a maze
And why the frick would he use that reference to somone that's clearly newish
I played dragonfligth and I didn't got that ref
Mythic+. Dungeons that drop raid tier gear and infinitely scale. They're fricking miserable and killed normal and heroic raiding since its way easier to just do some 5 man dungeons than get a whole group together. The higher difficulties are also full of the most autistic speedrun trannies you'll ever see.
I WANT A WORGEN WIFE
finding furry girls to hang out with thanks to WoW was amazing. too bad its all trannies now that play the game.
Jealous. I never met any cool furry girls while playing.
Mostly the women I ran into were just married women playing with their husbands.
Yeah, there were quite a few I knew over the years irl that admitted to play it. They were some of the best women I got to hang out with until the troony epidemic start exploding.
Imo, if games like XIV can bring some of the beast races in their series to being actually playable, you'll start seeing them showing up in XIV too.
>devs confirmed listening to players
They listened alright lmfao
Is there a reason you keep shilling this expansion? How has the mods not perma banned you under advertising?
its just that good
No thanks, I enjoy playing Warcraft, not the LGBTQ homosexual propaganda platform that they turned Dragonflight in. Frick off cuckold.
>Shadowlands
>Mid
It was garbage and that's objective even for WoWgays.
Also the game must really be on decline if homosexuals like you are so desperate to shill it everyday on Ganker of all places. Not going to board a sinking ship.
>cross faction guilds
I knew things were bad but to that degree?
Who the frick thought this was a good idea? It wasn't enough for them to end the war in the gayest way possible, they had to shit on whatever identity the factions had left by forcing the players to form big happy diverse families?
This is the reason I left and now I know Blizzard will never undo this so I'm never returning.
>Who the frick thought this was a good idea?
Who the frick thought banning half the playerbase from playing with the other half was a good idea? Cross faction guilds and raids was long overdue.
Cross faction guilds are a good change for modern wow. Still only half a measure. They should remove realms next and just use phasing. Server communities are all but dead anyway. Just make roleplay an option like war mode/non-war mode. Let people play together as they please and put guilds on shards together but let players move freely. Factions should be for casual bgs, and world pvp. Anything else should be free to play together. It'd make sense to have different factions working together in arenas and such. Lore friendly already.
It's....playable, after the last years thats already a improvement, not sticking around for any m+ shit and happily done for a patch with the heroic raid cleared.
They really need an endgame that doesn’t require you to attune to the autism wavelength of a speedrunner. Black folk try and pull mythic+ shenanigan’s in leveling dungeons and get the group wiped all the time now.
Yeah, i just plain dislike m+, the raid is fine, but by god could i not give less a shit about running dungeons over and over with slightly different effects each week, stats rising and ever more batshit people that worship what was once a meme. (Lets not pretend raider.io isnt gearscore 2.0)
They ruined the entire warcraft world like 10 expansions ago, the leveling experience is garbage, the journey is boring. They did it right in vanilla with pacing and difficulty but ruined it. You can't even play through the stories really it's just a bunch of meaningless quests in a now very badly written world. It's sad and pathetic and a waste of what it could've been.
>vanilla
>difficulty
It was fine back then, people know more and have gotten generally better at gaming so now it's a bit too easy. The content should have gotten continuously harder not easier like it has and no I'm not talking about endgame raids I'm talking about the journey to the endgame, the most important part of the game.
It needs a sequel that drops tab target combat and gives every class proper movement options, i fricking hate playing Druid.
Getting to max level should take time. You should be able to play through all the old content and enjoy it. None of it can be done in WoW, it thinks skipping content is a good thing which tells you how much effort and love they spent on creating that content in the first place if skipping it is a good thing.
The problem is WoW's degenerative game design in which getting to max level supersedes everything else, the leveling content is completely disposable, and there's no point in doing anything that's not current patch content.
But they designed it that way intentionally to sell expansions.
Yeah and I guess people like it? I definitely don't, I like questing and leveling to immerse myself in the world, not rushing around speedrunning to the end.
wow used to stack levels upon levels and it was ass
They never had to do that. They could just have made good content that was enjoyable to play through, good stories, decent challenges etc.
>The content should have gotten continuously harder not easier like it has
the content has gotten enormously harder than it was in vanilla, though, and it's not even close.
he specifically mentioned leveling, which has become objectively easier over time because the devs have a 'frick it nobody wants to do it anyway' approach to outdoor content
Leveling has never been difficult, though. Vanilla leveling is braindead beyond belief.
>the devs have a 'frick it nobody wants to do it anyway' approach to outdoor content
Toward leveling, but not toward outdoor content. There's by far more outdoor content in Dragonflight than there ever was in vanilla.
It's impossible to get immersed in the modern WoW-world, there's so much SHIT content everywhere that you're supposed to skip and get on the gear treadmill at the end.
Easier in that it is way faster, sure.
>I'm talking about the journey to the endgame, the most important part of the game.
lmao. yeah, the reason people play wow are the collect 10 boar ass quests. right.
For the kind of people who were playing Vanilla back in 2004-2006, with the kind of internet and hardware setups they had, yes Vanilla was difficult.
Of course Classic wasn't difficult for the crowd who's had two decades to learn how the game is played, running the game at 200 fps with broadband internet. It wasn't made for that kind of player. The devs could have never anticipated them.
>muh decades of learning
If you took a people who never played an mmo they would have a much easier time with vanilla.
>They did it right in vanilla with pacing and difficulty
The hardest thing in vanilla was tardwrangling people together for raids and internet connection. Classic vanilla dispelled that myth clearly.
I dipped out in Cata and I'm not coming back, that's how
Frick actiblizzard and frick the soulless hust of wow in particular
What MMO are you guys playing atm?
Don't say Final Fantasy XIV, or World of Warcraft.
I spent like eight of the last 24 hours playing OSRS.
I have downloaded games to try and find my next no-life obsession.
This is my favourite game of all time, and no other can beat is in terms of just about anything. I need ANOTHER RS.
What's up with the drama with that stella prostitute and a mod of jagex simping for her and being and lapdog?
I haven't looked into it very much because Oda is an ugly mudslime and frequent rulebreaker who deserves to be banned and I don't care, but from what I understand Stella is a notorious real money trader who makes money from getting people to bet on duels or something, and whenever anyone tries to get any action taken on her for doing it she has her mod boyfriend ban them instead.
New world
I wish I could run it. Runs like shit on my 1660 super.
Final Fantasy XI
wow ofc, still the best mmo out there
the main thing that keeps bringing me back to this game is its extremely responsive movement and combat
i dont know what kind of ancient wizardry the devs did, but ive played plenty of mmos and none feel as good as wow to play
they might do other things better, but at the end of the day, gameplay is paramount. and if that is shit, its gg no re
i'm not familiar with many video games, but what does "extremely responsive movement and combat" mean? You press a button and sth happens on screen with minimal delay? why is that a usp of wow? Isn't that standard for any other game, mmo or single player? but more importantly, what kind of person plays a game (like cod) just because it has responsive combat?
>You press a button and sth happens on screen with minimal delay?
yes
>why is that a usp of wow? Isn't that standard for any other game, mmo or single player?
if we're talking mmos, there is not a single one that surpasses wow in that department
if wow's usp stands out among mmo's, but is found in virtually every other modern single player game with a free multiplayer option, how do you justify paying your 13 dollars per month?
because i want to play an mmo with good combat
if you were to dismantle an mmo in its basic elements, you will always find a single player game that does it better
but thats a non argument
>if you were to dismantle an mmo in its basic elements, you will always find a single player game that does it better
Name some then lol
name what? i play wow because its an mmo, and it has top tier combat/gameplay
no other mmo even comes close in that department
i dont understand what a sp game would be used as an argument when i want to play and do shit with other people in an mmo
no, i agree with you that wow has good combat gameplay. i just also think it has better combat and gameplay than the vast majority of single player games, so i was curious which single player games you thought were better.
wow's gameplay was designed around everyone having 500 latency. it's really not good these days.
it blows every other mmo out of the water and its not even close
and like that anon said, it does it better than a lot of sp games
only in wow you can interrupt a spell with a 0.5 s cast time
>wow's gameplay was designed around everyone having 500 latency
this hasn't been the case since MoP. also your average single player game is designed around 500ms LCD screen input lag lmao
it's not the type of design you can change. the tab targeting, position and jumping being completely useless all are results of design decisions from 20 years ago
>it's not the type of design you can change
yes it is. wow's combat has changed enormously over the years.
>the tab targeting
tab targeting is the best combat system for large scale PVE concepts, that's why it stood the test of time. similar to how FPS games still use doom style combat.
>position
what?
>jumping being completely useless
this just flat out isn't true.
wow's tab targeting is a relic of the past, it's fine, but modern mmos do not use it.
>yes it is. wow's combat has changed enormously over the years.
lol. wow's combat is the epitome of change for the sake of change. the combat is exactly the same. they change rotations, they shuffle around skills, they tweak the balance. but at the end of the day, it's the same old stuff from 2005.
>but modern mmos do not use it.
modern mmos have shit combat. are you seriously arguing that new world has engaging combat? lmao. every single mmo that has strayed from tab target has had utter dogshit PVE.
> at the end of the day, it's the same old stuff from 2005.
no, that isn't the case. wow combat today is several orders of magnitude faster and more complex than the 2 apm shit we had in 2004, in addition to completely new classes and mechanics.
and that’s a good thing, 2000s era games have awesome net code
tortanic and rift
gw2
eso
FFXIV
FFXI and GW2
Guild Wars 2
it's better than Shadowlands, but its still soulless and anti-fun game, in which casual players experience close to zero social interaction because of how badly designed it is
A troony groomer who plays vulpera and his pedo discord made this thread.
Cant wait for Microsoft to kill this shitty company and give the IP to todd howard.
>finally get a singleplayer warcraft again
>but it’s toddjank
Frick it, I’ll take it.
At least it'll be highly moddable if Todd makes it
What do I play?
metal slug 3
I haven't tried lotro, probably better story? I hope so cause GW2 has really bad writing at least in the beginning, very soulless world IMO. I'm gonna give new world another try I hear it has gotten better.
>GW2
I have no idea about GW2 lore, but this videos opening 5+ minutes are cool
Anyone who says GW2 has a good story hasn't played it. I no meme almost fell asleep doing the personal story when I tried the game. So fricking horrendous.
Base game story is shit. Story peaked at Path Of Fire, rest is passable, its honestly more that your own character is fully voiced and the games characters are fun enough to make the story passable for what it is.
>very soulless world IMO
Nah, the games world is one of its strongest points by far.
>your own character is fully voiced
Who gives a shit about that anymore?
Literally every single quest in vanilla WoW now has voice acting.
>Anyone who says GW2 has a good story hasn't played it.
yeah. same with FFXIV
defining and redefining what it means to be the best MMO in the world
>Wakfu & Dofus S & A tier
M-MY KNEES
I really liked age of reckoning for some reason
it had a lot of soul but I tried playing it on a private server again and man the engine sucks
constantly get stuck on terrain geometry and the combat feels desynced with no weight
Oh shut the frick up idiot
At the end of the day, there are only 2 paths on WoW you can take after leveling up
1) Raiding
2) Arena
If you aren't doing one of those things, there is literally ZERO point in playing the game.
This is why 99.9% of new players quit.
>B-BUT MUH MOUNT AND troonyMOG FARMING
Yeh nobody gives a frick about that gay shit other than lost souls like Asmongold who have sunk-cost fallacy mindset, something new players will never have
t. Day 1 WoW veteran played from November 2004 to November 2009, literally played in the golden years and left before it all went to shit
>>B-BUT MUH MOUNT AND troonyMOG FARMING
>Look through the transmog collection
>"These pauldrons look too big on me, lemme take them off."
>Character looks extremely flat now
>pauldrons too big
pauldrons are never too big, the bigger the better
Frick off shill. Frick off and kys with your shit game
>playing wow
>be master paladin of all Azeroth
>be commander of the draenor invasion
>be personally involved in the the death of the lich king, deathwing, kil’jaeden, and the jailor
>get to dragon isles
>be janny for lazy dragon that won’t clean its own nest
Quite literally what we’re they thinking?
>Quite literally what we’re they thinking?
Probably something along the lines of "we're designing an mmo so we need to make worldbuilding sacrifices for the sake of game mechanics".
Yea this expansion couldn’t possibly exist without this sweet janitor quest
Probably, but it's just one example of many.
/wowg/ is laughing at us again bros...
it's because anything past vanilla is cringe and anything past wotlk is basically unplayable to anyone with taste
vanilla to wrath is the most braindead era of the game, by a mile, though.
it's world of warcraft, it's braindead by definition, the difference is it used to be fun with average story, now it's woke trash
No, vanilla to wrath was by far the most boring era of the game. Content didn't start expecting anything from the player until Cata.
Cata completely fricked up the pacing and old world, it's biggest trash of all. No point in replying to me since it's obvious you have inferior taste and we will not reach agreement.
I stopped playing at BFA since it became obvious Bobby Kotick stopped giving a shit. 7 Days to Die is the superior single player MMORPG experience.
>devs confirmed listening to players
Only in some cases. We still have convoluted shit that nobody likes, such as the item upgrade system they're pushing next patch. I don't really know much about it since I like going in blind, but I've not seen any praise or acceptance for it. Not like I'm going to get anything to upgrade anyway.
>Run M+ with friends as often as possible
>Never get loot during runs
>Run first two raid bosses on Mythic, final two on Heroic
>Only get the same items I already have
>Weekly vault doesn't give me anything good ever
>Can't use valor to upgrade anything
>Stuck at 407 because of this
>Main a warrior, so nobody ever invites me to pug groups for anything because of my ilvl
>At least I have 4pc tier...at 395
I've been stuck for five weeks now. I literally cannot progress my gear because of fricking shit RNG, even in a plate stack with kind players. I'm gonna be at a pitiful ilvl during the next patch too, most likely.
>Dragonflight
>Drag on flight
Heh
WoW Sisters ....not like this....
>screams at people for nearly 10 years that promoted "Diversity of thought"
>starts using it once those same people who kept the company together got fed up and started leaving
>starts crying about it on """social""" media while also running off to a monopoly giant
Two-faced c**ts, the whole lot of them.
>Biggest promotion was the ability to fly dragons
>Dragon mounts have been in the game since 2007.
>Full wokeness present in game including LGTBBQ story lines
>Furries keep winning because now you can play as a dragon waifu with more boring mechanic
>Very clear that Blizzard is creatively bankrupt and these shill posts reek of desperation.
Spice.
>priest 10.1 set
how did priests win so hard?
>diablo 3 Malthael skin but gayer color
is that supposed to be good?
cope
that's better, but the mask is still moronic, replacing it with black void like Diablo angels had would make it cool
The art team somehow regardless of expac has always managed to keep shit on lock. Its just a shame that even though their game has stayed pretty, everything else wasn't up to par
>cloth armor
i played WoW for years before I realized everything WoW does is done much better by other games. it's nothing more than a glorified chatroom
>WoW
>the best MMO in the world
Until on June 2021, FFXIV is the first to surpass WoW in gaming history. And if you disagree with that, go ahead and b***h all you want. You're too fat and smell like Red Bull farts to get up and take action of what I said.
source? no, your HRT medication does not count
>Being too moronic to realize it's a shill
Facts don't matter, Blizzard just wants to sit on their laurels do the bare minimum (if that) rake in money and try to make the experience as skinner box as possible. If you aren't playing their skinner box simulator then you aren't playing the best game ever to grace this earth.
No we will not improve the leveling experience for new players, buy a boost noob.
No we will not consolidate dead realms, buy a transfer homosexual.
No we will not make farming fun or rewarding, buy gold you lazy frick.
It's all so tiresome. Blizzard has never had more resources to build the best MMO ever conceived but instead it shits out another expansion that their most addicted players will play through entirely while the rest sub the first month and last month of the entire expansion.
If they pooled their resources to make WoW 2 with a competent team with vision it would simultaneously fix all of their problems with new player experience, growth, and retention.
>No we will not improve the leveling experience for new players, buy a boost noob.
they have improved it a ton the last few expansions, like a fricking decade late
Not really. The problem is that you have to level so much before being with the majority of the player base.
You're basically forced to play a really shitty one player game where you get weaker and weaker as you level until you can actually play in the same expansion as the rest of the player base. Making it cleaner by deciding what storyline you can go through via expansion choice doesn't solve the major problem which is player interaction.
It's a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER online game. For a newb it doesn't feel like that at all, it feels like a single player game with multiplayer elements.
Even the newer expansions feel that way, the game never forces you to play with other people outside of an instance/raid. You were forced to rely on people in vanilla and tbc which built communities which made it feel like a massive multiplayer game.
Name 1 thing Dragonflight defined, redefinted, or even did well.
:clap: representation :clap:
>defined
by being the only MMO on the market with actual character customization like builds and ZERO loading screens in its world
even the new underground zone has zero loading screens, you just get there seamlessly
Wow that all sounds like it makes for a very engaging seamless experience so that I can play grey mush without any breaks in the non-action!
No one cares if the amusement park ride doesn't have loading screens, it's still a ride. WoW was so popular because it felt like a genuine experience with players akin to D&D.
>No one cares if the amusement park ride doesn't have loading screens
hello zoomie, I know you can’t remember back when this was mind blowing but trust me it was
>zero loading screens
Lost this trophy in shadowlands where every zone was another loading screen with an extra one to get to the capital each time.
faction guilds
Can you believe that they think this is a good thing?
Goes to show the suits in charge of Blizzard have no idea what WoW was and certainly have no idea what WoW should be.
>yes goy, splitting the playerbase in 2 with heavy restrictions is le GOOD.
>paying for faction changes is le GOOD
just let people play together who the frick cares.
>muh peacecraft
wow is all about killing shit for loot. all the fricking time. piss off
the faction system had totally failed by wrath, it should’ve been changed long ago
Yes making people passionate for a game by pitting them against a tangible real enemy is a bad thing.
See that's the thing Blizzard doesn't understand. A lot of what made WoW work originally doesn't follow conventional marketing rubrics or consumer self-reports. The faction war made people passionate about the game, people would become tribalistic and again, have communities built around it.
You two and people who think like you are the reason WoW is in it's current state of decline.
they're doing the cross faction stuff due to the dwindling playerbase, why do you think they first implemented this type of cross faction thing during shitolands and more during dragonflop?
gaming has vastly changed since 2004 anon. that type of game design doesnt hold anymore
faction divide has been seen as a nuisance for a long time now, especially that lore wise factions almost always united to defeat the big bad
factions will still exist it’s just more of an RP thing like it arguably should’ve been since your character helped everyone before the champion bullshit
While I agree with your post, people who play multiplayer games these days are not attracted by any sort of sense of community or social activity. Multiplayer games are about extreme competition, to the point where they calculate every possible scenario and implement optimal strategies. In other words, autistic little cretins who measure dungeon runs in seconds, require full length resumes to gain entry in their raiding guild, and learn how to behave from optimization guides.
You're completely wrong, faction based MMOs have proven to be an absolute disaster, eventually one side is considered better than the other, and everyone just plays that. The only reason PvP is even still functional in WoW is because Horde can queue against each other in Arena, and even in BGs with the merc system. There's no point in WoW to play anything but Horde now, and it's the exact same thing that happened to Warhammer Online and every other MMO that tried faction based gameplay. Time has proven that EQs race based system is superior, and should never have been moved away from to begin with.
yep. classic servers are a perfect example that the people have changed
pretty much all of them went 100% A or H
The writing was on the wall in Legion when mythic+ became the only content worth doing. It's ogre.
it is mid at best which is better than the last 3 xpacs but it's nothing special, at all
i wish there was something worthwhile to do in the game. but this shit where they reset everything in the new patch basically makes the game pointless to play right now
its to allow people that join later to be able to compete.
did you prefer vanilla design where if you joined 1 year after release you still had to go back and do all the raids because each contained a piece of loot that was bis for you?
people dont have that kind of free time anymore
>do you prefer an actual MMO and not this fortnite shit
yes?
wildstar tried to make an mmo for sweaty raiders and look how that turned out
people are way too busy nowadays, and mmos are increasingly focusing on more solo/small group content because sadly thats the type of mmo player today, which is completely hilarious
nobody wants to grind bindings for 8 months
>people are way too busy nowadays
they aren't more busy than they were in 2004. it's not like employment is a new concept.
>they aren't more busy than they were in 2004
objectively false. you dont have 14 year olds into mmos nowadays, they prefer 30 minute lobby games like lol and valorant
most mmo players are 20-35, which means college/work/family which means little to no time
youre delusional
>most mmo players are 20-35
i feel like this was probably the case back in 2004 too. credit cards and sub fees weren't easy for a lot of kids. i remember my raiding guild from wrath being mostly college students and adults.
>i feel like this was probably the case back in 2004 too.
Toontown and Runescape, Maplestory too if you want to bring Korea and F2P into the picture.
Dumb Black person most legit raiding guilds were compromised entirely of adults. There was a legit problem with adults playing WoW. Companies were losing employees to it and some wouldn't even hire people who played it. Even fricking grown housewives played it and fill the slots for raids. Just beacuse you were 14 at the time doesn't mean everyone else who played was you fricking moron.
Players have far much more to do now than in the early 2000's. With so many live service games with daily logins and chores to do, you can't spend as much time in one anymore without neglecting others.
wildstar didn't die because it was too hard, it died because no one cared and please compare retail to newer thriving mmos like classic which is destroying retail with raid activity....so people found out how to raid log classic, why aren't people doing that for retail?
difficulty. classic raids are piss easy
so what is it? do people not have time to raid or do they oh and they are piss easy that only 29% of people who killed FL have killed Algalon and only 19% have done yogg0
>29% of people who killed FL have killed Algalon and only 19% have done yogg0
that just shows the average classic player is ass
a mythic raid in retail is infinitely more difficult and requires much more time investment
i have no idea how to tell if you are the same poster but frick i wish people were consistent, do you consneed that people care enough about retail raids to invest the time but don't for retail? other than raiding people love classic so much that community driven hardcore has taken it by storm, retail can't even dream of that kind of engagement, no gives two shits about it
it has nothing to do with how sweaty the grind is, it has everything to do with everything you grind for not getting wiped out every 6 months. Way to misunderstand the issue completely.
>did you prefer vanilla
an actual RPG unlike this theme park? yes, of course, how is that even a question
Asmon loved dragonflight. Blizzard won.
for a month
the dude gets paid by blizzard to pretend to like the game to drive sales.
Asmongold is literally sponsored by blizzard
>Asmon loved dragonflight
>never plays it
all the content creators keep saying dragonflight is good, over and over they keep saying it's a good xpac this time but no one has any good reasons why, in fact no one in pve or pvp do anything but complain that blizzard has no idea what they are doing which the encyclopedic patch notes and knee jerk balance changes magnify
Asmonglows like fricking wildfire, obviously he's sponsored by Blizzard, no matter how much he lies about his background.
This expansion was a sham from the start
Why the FRICK do I care about dragons
They didn't do SHIT and mostly sidelined or watched as 8 expansions run their course
Why the frick do I need to save or even fricking care about the dragon aspects
The red ones were mostly c**ts
The black ones destroyed half the world
The blue ones were evil in every single fricking expansion
The time ones never did shit for anyone, definitely did LESS when actual time travel expansion took it's course
Also
>"We are going to give you flying, but by dropper, and you WILL think it's magical and awesome and unique, even if you have been flying literally 10min before coming here"
Also It's not my main but I have a shaman and the first fricking plot is "Elemental magic is BAD and the dragons that use it are BAD and arcane magic is GOOD!"
If you are new to wow and mmorpgs Dragonfligth is cool
If not, it brings nothing new, in fact, the lore is shit
I literally have NO REASON to care about the dragons, and this is stated by omission in-game
You are just there and the movie starts playing, but noone ever tells you why you should care
they’re probably going to pull that the primalists dindu nuffin, evil white titans bad, but maybe not since people thought they were going to bait and switch the j-lor/primus but just aborted the story instead
Even if I just cover my shaman ears and go "lalala " I still don't have a lorewise, in-universe reason to help this frickers that never did anything
Evil dragons are 20% of the total pool of all bosses ever in fricking wow
WoW hasn't been good since MoP
I don't even like MoP for what it signified of whats the come, and even then, this is true.
>tfw sitting down after a hard day’s work cracking a Bud Lite and firing up some Dragonflight
troony beer for troony game
$0.01 has been deposited into your Blizzard Account.
Ever since they changed the spell sound effects I can’t play this game anymore
>give money to a company that paid arsonists to burn down my city
No thanks!
>still defining and redefining
That's the problem with it, the devs have no clue or vision. They've been remaking the same game once every two years for a decade and STILL don't know what they're doing.
troony game
no, i will not transition and play this garbage, you can frick off from Ganker blizzdrone
>wake up
>another blatantly transparent paid shill post that does a piss poor job of fitting in has 250+ replies
Just another day on Ganker!
at least the entire thread is shitting on blizzard, so the shilling isn't exactly effective.
Even the shills have to resort to "you're missing out" or "why aren't you playing" because it's dead as frick.
Turtle WoW
has there ever existed a more cucked playerbase than WoW?
FFXIV
Wait where did XIV go back and censor 15 year old in-game paintings?
Or is that something that never happened?
people still play wow?
its the most popular mmo
Dead game for trannies.
Okay Ganker is DEVASTATION EVOKER good in pvp and m+ yes?
>well anon the healing spec is-
SHUT UP JUST SHUT THE FRICK UP I DO NOT CARE ABOUT HEALING IS THE DPS GOOD OR BAD ANSWER THE QUESTION
its alright and offers unique gameplay. especially the strafing/breaths look cool as frick
>m+
yes, op cleave and utility
>pvp
no idea, i don’t do minigames
It's garbage in both and in raids it only does dps after getting tier set + the bis staff
I’ve heard it has very good numbers but is clunky to play and riddled with bugs
>devs confirmed listening to players
if that were true they'd remove 80% of the trash in raids and let you respawn right in front of a boss after a wipe instead of having to spend 5 minutes running back
literally no one wants to raid anymore when Mythic + gives more loot in a shorter amount of time
Every guild already has a soulstone out for wipe recovery this isn't a real issue, stop repeating streamers you dumb frick
M+ is just easier. 5 minutes of trash makes no actual difference when you're going to wipe for 4 hours because the boss is hard
how does one make friends in retail these days? i have been playing it as a single player game since Cata pretty much so honestly have no idea, i asked in /vg/ recently and everyone said to 'do good damage/healing' but that seems like a few steps ahead of where im at
Be good in mythics and PUGs. Use communication hubs to find friends/guilds like plebbit and discord.
The group i run with my very small group met in raid PUG and basically just fused friend groups.
easiest would be to start on an RP realm
otherwise just play well and have a friendly attitude
chances are someone will ask to add you at one point
RP realmers are FF14 levels of shit. if anyone wants to actually clear normal raid do not go to a RP server.
also don’t play alliance
Join a guild
Don't be insufferable
Stay in discord after the raid ends when people just hang out and chat
You hangout and make small talk until you're one of the regulars and get into more tight knit circles
You only have to be good enough for whatever level of guild you're in. If it's a casual guild so long as you don't eat glue nobody is going to complain
Comfy stream by my favorite fat youtuber...
Wow it's almost like they should've listened to me years ago to bring back talents. Now they just need actual RPG elements and interesting choices besides "press trinket gain X amount of stats"
>each tier needs a weapon with an equip effect so that group can have a blatant BiS
yawn
>NOOOOOOOO STOP ADDING ITEMS WITH FLAVOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Flavour is fine, but if the weapon has an equip effect then it shouldn't have secondary stats on it too. That should be the trade-off.
why?
They should just smash d3s gear treadmill and kanais cube into the game. Still plenty populated like 10 years later with no real New content.
Wow devs have such an ego that they have to suck all fun out due to 'balance' concerns. Any possibility of players cobbling together a build outside their latest release makes them seethe.
This is why the game sucks. 0 theorycrafting or freedom. Just follow your script, stay on rails.
One of many reasons, i'd argue another is just how cancer the player base is at this stage. Though I can't imagine the player base ever being normal because no zoomer is going to pick up the game and everyone who isn't mentally handicapped went and got a job/girlfriend/banned
an on use ability that changes nothing in your rotation, how clever
>devs confirmed listening to players
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>>devs confirmed listening to players
Really? Did they reverse all the censorship and remove the homosexualry? Can i spit on other players again?
>want to spit on the homosexual couples
>have to use /me spits on %t.
You can't talk about PvP with themepark MMO players. Their only open world PvP experience is getting ganked.
WoW is a PvE MMO.
>MMO PvP
imagine the smell
Haven't played since MoP
What huge happenings have I missed? Cross faction guilds sounds like a terrible idea you'd only resort to when the playerbase is dwindling.
it had to be done as alliance was unplayable in high level content
A necessary change since almost no one plays Alliance anymore, and if anything it's honestly too little too late, and once again shows the ultimate fate of all faction based MMOs. Sooner or later you reach that critical point where you have to be an absolute idiot to play on the lesser faction, since you have access to a much bigger and more active playerbase on the other side, and once that's even slightly the case, it starts to snowball further and further until you might as well not even have the factions to begin with, and are left with one completely active faction and another one that might as well not exist.
I fricking hate factions with a passion, it is not beneficial to any MMO ever. Most people don't care about factions, and nor should they.
Whenever WoW was successful with it, it inspired a whole bunch of other MMOs to copy the idea and they all fricking killed themselves with it. Rift, Aion, Star Wars. They just shot themselves in the foot for no gain and only did it because WoW did it.
FFXIV almost did it, but at least had the good sense to restrict it to the pvp minigame, and even then abandoned it entirely shortly after release, factions in that game only exist as a vestige now and that's a very good thing for that game.
WoW only did it in the first place to facilitate PvP.
But halfway into TBC the game turned into a raiding game primarily, and having factions became pointless.
>facilitate
Force pvp, force. Not facilitate.
They could have done the exact same thing but with open conflict between player made guilds instead, and allow people to move between them like MMOs have done since ancient times.
PvP in WoW just forces people into conflicts they'd rather not engage with 9 times out of 10, just look at how player behaviour reflects it. As soon as flying mounts happened, nobody went near the ground so they couldn't be engaged. When war mode was invented, people turned it off. Nobody gives a shit about the lame ass faction PvP after maybe one or two southshore brawls.
Figures I'd find this thread right when I unsubbed.
Been burned by blizz too many times now. I need a break.
Most new wow content is stolen from gw2
I'd honestly be happy to resub if the developers weren't so insane with the censorship and forced agenda stuff.
I just want to go back and scratch my occasional WoW itch but I'm so disgusted by the devs I can't bring myself to give them money, so instead I just play on shitty private servers.
i wouldn’t mind playing but i would feel guilty supporting troony shit
i think they know all this but profit so much from paid xfers they let it happen anyway
WoW will never redeem itself until it permanently kills off Sylvanas.
look no further than classic wow for proof as to why cross faction guilds are necessary
it’s not 2006 anymore, people don’t play games the way they used to
There is absolutely no discussion on this game anywhere.
Every single WoW discord I'm in has just gone silent since this expansion dropped, barely anyone is actively playing and I see more people playing other games instead. What the frick the frick even is Dragonflight?
A failed game by MMO standards.
>Be Respectful
>May You Be Blessed With Daughters
>Cull The Strong To Protect The Weak
And then there's the endless homosexuals everywhere. I mean, if you're still playing Wokeflight, you get what you deserve.
>Hold your dog.
>Where are your manners?
>Be respectful.
totally ballsless
it's just the best xpac since that last one some people like but i couldnt tell you why its so good, it just is, okay
You can mount unlike seethowlands, no fan favorite characters to butcher, while moronic storywise doesn’t shit on the entire lore just parts no one cares about (dragons, centaurs).
how about things people actually care about?
Pvp is currently fricked. Raids are pointless, m+ is for fricking gays.
Questing is way better than shadowlands even with the every npc being gay thing. I’d say it’s worse than BFA with slightly better dungeon design.
talents were a huge success
classes play well
dungeons and raids still high quality
no annoying mandatory timegated grind like dailies or world quests or ap or legendaries or torghast
these alone make it one of the best wow expansions ever
>no annoying mandatory timegated grind like dailies or world quests or ap or legendaries or torghast
is the gear still like diablo 3 where everything procs off everything else ad finitum or is there better player agency? is the dungeon and raid design still subpar 3d platforming but seems good because it's WoW?
>where everything procs off everything else ad finitum or is there better player agency?
not even sure what youre trying to say here
>is the dungeon and raid design still subpar 3d platforming but seems good because it's WoW?
no?
>not even sure what youre trying to say here
in legion i remember my monk doing 1 barrel smash thing and the game doing like 7 more because of the legendary procs which was awful and every legendary did something like that, as for the platforming wasnt a huge mechanic jumping in to some beehive looking thing recently and another epic raid encounter being dance dance revolution to the max which needed a custom weak aura?
The game gets lonelier and lonelier every passing day. Blizzard is not retaining layers, and not attracting new players. It will bleed until death.
Nobody cares about WoW anymore. Frick off with your tumblr otherkin game.
>most popular mmo
>no one cares
you care too gay
I genuinely don't understand what they're trying to pull with all the troony shit in the game, it's like they're deliberately trying to see how few players they can retain, like some kind of mad social experiment to see how much bullshit the original addicts can tolerate before they quit.
>create character
>start game
>suddenly chinese propaganda inside of a fricking cutscene
Explain
Dumb b***h lagging behind? Buy boost
You know. It's clear that WoW is now catering to sexual fetishes. In this case lizardkin or whatever it's called. So why not make the next expansion about impregnation? Instead of loot drops, you could also get an item that sends you on a quest to get a fertile wife. You'd then impregnate her at your house, derive stats from "family life", increase libido. With enough libido you might be able to take a female vendor into an alley to impregnate her and get a discount in the process. Rep grinding? The village needs a bigger population so you just have impregnation quests. You can do other quests/dungeons to increase the amount of semen you produce.
>heterosexual impregnation
Jesus Christ Anon that's way too fricked up, nah, we're going to stick with gay dragons. Sorry.
gee i wonder why dragons are always going extinct
it's literally not the game that 22 million people were paying for. go frick yourself, they have less than 1 million subs now.
it easily has 2m still. and why would you need 22? with how many you actually interact? probably in the low hundreds
>easily has 2mil
didnt activision release some kind of statement about this.... lol hmmmmm im pretty sure they did
>why would you need 22?
bro the level of cope here is painful
statement about what? it didnt oversell shadowlands which sold 3.7m day 1
thats all. which is completely expected after shadowlands and sex scandals
1. nice zoomerspeak
2. df is just more of the same nuwow slop except they got rid of a few systems and just added nothing in return
No one cares about Wow. Without out a convincing world/lore/characters its literally just a completely waste of time.
Don't get me started on how often so many of the specs are just flat out trash. Going back to BFA (when I played a lot) who the frick was okaying the class balance? It just seemed like some classes were aboustle trash and got nothing at all the whole expansion - and apparently that was fine to blizz. Why? Why can't you balance all specs to be viable? If there are too many specs - erase some.
Meanwhile SL was the best example of a "ah lets just get on with it" the littlest effort and least thought as possible mentality. How was there zero oversight of all the story elements? No one at blizzard thought it could have consequences? Do the dev's just improv each expansion? And then even with all the detailed feedback given in beta - they told everyone they were wrong.
BFA was bad enough - SL was just a shitshow. DF can't just add a new flying mechanic they ripped out of GW2 and take away some of the shitty chores and say "here you go guys its good now right???"
I had a great time in Wow over the years but BFA into SL felt like the dev's playingh a game of "how little effort can we put into this game before people get upset" - and guess what it didn't take long.
>No one cares about Wow
>proceeds to write a wall of text
cope
nta but;
No one cares about WoW *anymore*.
Its only known now for the drama and how bad Shadowlands was. There's no coming back from that.
>how bad Shadowlands was
this is another fallacy along with dragonflight being good, blizz just mind fricked everyone in to blaming the game when it wasnt good or bad just very very mid with a bad content cadence
>Sylvanas dindu nuthin', she was under control of the Jailer the whole time guys. :~~*
10/10 writing.
Even my non-WoW friends heard about what they did to the story and were appalled.
>Even my non-WoW friends
yea. okay. https://lorelol.ytmnd.com/
Okay but Sylvanas even admitted she did a lot of it herself
>Ooops, sorry! Tee hee, I'm such a silly girl. I didn't mean to ethnically cleanse you like that >3< Jaina is the REAL bad guy btw :3
Just as well she never said any of those things
One of the questlines back in 9.0 - 10.0 has Sylvanas' nameplate in blue if you're Alliance, and Jaina's nameplate in yellow if you're Horde.
You're arguing nameplates? I mean okay then
The color of the nameplate's indicated the character's hastily via what is stated in the lore.
Alliance players like Humans, Nelves and Worgen were expected to be buddy buddy with Sylvanas who literally has tried exterminating their races AND poisoned their soldiers, and helped foster the Forsaken into what they are, and they're all treated like huge bigoted racists by the devs if they refuse to forgive her.
Meanwhile, Horde are still allowed to hate Jaina, which is evidence of blatant Horde favouritism that is still ongoing in the company. Its fricking psychotic.
well...
Based Jaina
haha yeah
I love this hag, the only warcraft character to get more arousing in wow.
>hates the faction that accepted a race of people that wanted to emulate the Scourge, and constantly backstabbed the same people that accepted them into their ranks, while simultaneously defending said race
she has every right to hate them.
>"I WILL NEVER TRUST THAT ROTTEN BANSHEE b***h, EVEN AFTER EVERYTHING SHE HAD DONE!"
>"Believe in me then, Jaina."
SLAAAAAAAAY
Dude face it. Nobody cares about game play in a fricking hotkey mmo. All that matters is story and presentation.
Shadowlands was hated because the story was moronic and people knew it would be moronic since day 1
Dragonflight didn't win people back because the story is BORING
Same shit happened in cataclysm, expac had fantastic content and additions but had a huge prayer dropoff because the story was piss boring
WoD started off well because the story was good at first but then turned into a nonsensical mess and was clearly only made to remind people the movie was coming out.
>Nobody cares about game play
Correct because hotkey combat is bad
niglet you do the story once
that is it
gameplay is forever
if that is shit, game is shit
eat shit
fricking idiot
>Correct because hotkey combat is bad
how so? in my experience hotbar combat has a significantly larger variety of mechanics than single player games.
>how is low skill mind numbing button spamming bad
There's a reason games trend towards action combat because hotkey combat is nothing more than a halfassed simulation of dnd combat. It's not fun
>>how is low skill mind numbing button spamming bad
You quoted something that I didn't say. Try again, but respond to what I said.
>There's a reason games trend towards action combat
Because it's generally really easy. I played through Sekiro over the weekend and it was literally just spamming the same 2 buttons for the entire game.
>hotkey combat is nothing more than a halfassed simulation of dnd combat
No, this isn't the case. WoW has higher apm than the vast majority of single player games.
>No, this isn't the case
It is. That's the intention of hotkey combat and why no one uses it anymore. It's a relic of the past that while serviceable at the time was never good. Hence why people focus on wow's story because the combat being terrible is a fact of life so its irrelevant to any decision to continue playing
>It is.
It isn't.
>That's the intention of hotkey combat and why no one uses it anymore.
No one uses hotkey combat because the sheer number of buttons and mechanics you have to learn is overwhelming for new players. AAA games are in the business of being easily accessible, which has never been the case for MMOs.
>It's a relic of the past that while serviceable at the time was never good.
Tab target hotbar combat is still the best system for large scale multiplayer PVE, and nothing else even comes close.
>Tab target hotbar combat is still the best system for large scale multiplayer PVE, and nothing else even comes close.
sad, but true
Delusional take not even the people who originally developed hotkey combat for the first mmos think this it was a compromise system of technical limitations
>no argument
I guess that settles it.
what are you even suggesting as an alternative?
left-click = attack gameplay like the vast majority of sp games? because i can tell you none of those games have the depth that wows combat does
“action mmo” combat, ie hot bar but with skill shots, which again none of these games have the responsiveness or depth of wows gameplay
hotbar combat is simple but the simplicity of the actions allows for insane depth in design and interactions
>this game where you have to learn 30 different buttons and how they synergize with the other 30 buttons, all other classes, and all boss mechanics, is way easier to pick up and learn than this AAA action game where you have a block, a light swing, and a heavy swing
>why no one uses it anymore
dude diablo 4 is coming and you can bet your ass blizz are hoping it sparks some nostalgia to funnel people to WoW
>Nobody cares about game play
Such a nu-neo-v opinion to have.
i really don’t know what gets normie sales, i assume a combo of good will, marketing, and the competition at the release date
>all these angry tourists replying thinking what kept WoW afloat was purely its gameplay and not the batshit crazy story and world lore
There's a reason people bought the books you know.
the two most important aspects to wows success were 1. the greatest open world in gaming 2. responsive gameplay
The game wouldn't be able to stand on its own as a ""World"" or MMO if the world itself was not interesting in any capacity, let alone from a gameplay perspective.
The classes and gameplay are heavily tied into the lore of the game that simply trying to pretend that it never mattered or didn't even help create its identity is blatant revisionist history. kjshp4
sure on one hand the world is so great because of all the places you recognize from the rts but also just the technical marvel of walking from booty bay to stratholme without hitting a single loading screen was unmatched in 2004 and is sadly still unmatched in many “open world” games
It was already done in Asheron's Call six years before wow even released. So many morons pretend wow invented this or that.
No, Shadowlands is absolute dogshit, in every possible way. The worst zones ever made in the game, something that used to carry WoW, even in fricking BfA you had fun zones, Shadowlands had absolutely zero fun zones to play in.
It irrevocably destroyed the lore to the point where it can't be fixed, Tor'ghast was a shitty chore everyone hated, they had the biggest falloff in raid engagement in any WoW expansion ever made, it removed tier sets entirely because the devs were too lazy to design new ones, and Korthia was the absolutely worst version of the Timeless Isle they ever did and perhaps the single worst zone ever made in the entire history of the game. In conclusion, frick you, Shadowlands is the absolute bar none 100% worst expansion the game ever had, and is in fact so bad the game will never recover from the damage it did.
tier gear was actually added back in 9.2.
BfA was the expansion where tiers first got nixed and this carried over for the most part in SL.
someone at blizzard actually went “you know our seamless open world that’s one of the game’s greatest strengths? let’s turn it into a bunch of themepark areas split by 5 minutes long glorified loading screens”
its the most popular mmo
good. the game is super comfy right now with all the morons gone. only people who are addicted to the game and are good to a certain degree are playing. makes playing with randoms a lot less painful.
>Steals stuff from other games
>Gets prised for it
They are chink tier and people suck them off is weird af
we ready for 9.1 v2 kino?
>DRAGONFLIGHT IS BUSSIN FR FR THEY'RE IN THEIR ELEMENT WOW IS BETTER THAN IT HAS BEEN IN YEARS!!
How?
No more borrowed power is probably the answer but the dungeons and raids this expansion so far have been pretty bland
>No more borrowed power
Fancy, fancy.
What else?
What did they do with the time they would otherwise have put into borrowed power?
Dragonriding and a bad profession system for the expansion. Dragonriding is actually fairly good but isn't something you buy an expansion for.
Dragonriding was unwittingly one of their most ingenius features.
Not because "gw2 riding so goood xd" but because to accommodate it, they had to create vast, empty patches of land in 5 minutes with the terrain editor/sculptor, which technologically illiterate monogaming wowbucks could then unironically pass off as "WOW THE ZONES ARE SO MUCH BIGGER THAN BEFORE BLIZZARD IS PUTTING 308259435982 MORE EFFORT IN DRAGONFLIGHT THAN ANY OTHER EXPANSION"
Inadvertent stroke of genius.
I actually thought the zones were smaller than previous expansions and not because of moving fast with dragonriding
>I actually thought the zones were smaller than previous expansions
what caused you to think that?
source?
dragon isles are bigger than northrend
and it's filled to the brim with homosexual characters.
back to /vg/ troonyflight enjoyer
cope
and suck a dick gay
wow won
SL answered so many questions nobody was asking, like a poorly conceived prequel
You played Blizzard games until November 2022 which was well and truly the point at which it was largely infested with troons. You asked Blizzard to wipe away the shame. Sorry, anon. You are a troon.
world of warcraft. the maps and zone sizes are available in the game.
yes but what is your source for that in particular
i already told you. both the maps and zones are in the game. you can go see them yourself.
I imagine someone went around with tomtom or something and wrote that down
sounds kinda skeevy to me
no no more like the recent few expansions
Zuldazar seemed quite large to me. The other thing is there's an entire dungeon present in the zone just bloating its size. A tactic present in the last few expansions too
yeah, they gave the zones wilderness areas like vanilla had. it's great.
talent trees and tier sets are back, they reworked a couple of classes, most notably ret paladins. crafted gear is actually relevant and the mythic + dungeons are on rotation now. we get 4 of the current expansion dungeons and 4 from old expansions each season.
>b-b-but they're making you play old content!!!!!!
yeah, beats playing the same 8 dungeons for 2 years. also they got rid of explosive so there's that
You know it's a great expansion when the shills devote more post space into telling you what they DIDN'T add to their expansion than what they did.
defining and redefining what it means to be the best MMO in the world
It never did.
can someone explain to me why people still play mmos nowadays? back in the 90s and early 2000s it was a novelty to be able to play with others online. nowadays, you can do that playing practically anything. mmos arent good games fundamentally either, theyre grindy, slow and havent been innovative since the early 2000s. yes, i sometimes play some old grindy mmo for the nostalgia, but other than that i cant understand people who still play mmos as their main games to this day.
>nowadays, you can do that playing practically anything
>mmos arent good games fundamentally either
which other genre does large scale PVE well?
stockholm
I enjoy the open-ended gameplay and that the game never really ends. It's strange how few single player games offer the same thing.
If dark souls occasionally had dungeons and group quests that you need a party for, it would be an MMO.
only mentally ill individuals still play this shit
plus this shit is banned in China.
>Producer confirms WoW is going into maintenance mode
>no one even cares
Even if Blizzard wasn't facing people walking out on them, maintenance mode was going to happen anyway. There's going to be maybe one more expansion and if it isn't a miracle success (it won't be) then the team is getting peeled back to a small skeleton crew that does a single small update per year that makes Runescape's patch cycle look substantial.
i think it's safe to say a good chunk of the player base would be happy if blizzard had just stopped fricking with the game in 2009 so maintenance mode would be a step in the right direction
No, an MMO needs regular updates or people lose interest. You can't just sit on one patch forever, people finish all the content and start tuning out. It helps if there's a ton to do in the game and it takes you forever to do it all, but WoW is absolutely not like that - you can complete all the major content in about a week in most versions of the game if you're really determined.
People are already bored with Wrath Classic and it's only on the Ulduar patch.
I'm very curious to see what will happen when they switch to Cataclysm, as they said they intend to do it and in most people's minds, Cata is when the "Classic" era of WoW ended.
cata would be decent enough if you compress the patches since there’s not much content
WoWs best bet at this point would be to take all its raids and dungeons, modify the ones that need to be updated to modern standards, and make them all current content that cycles from week to week. At least that way all the content created over the years would serve a purpose and people would have something to do every week. Too bad WoW devs are too braindead to do this and like 80-90% of the content might as well not exist.
Literally just copy XIV's roulette system. Why not? It would overnight make most of the game's content at least see use.
Some other changes that would be good, I think, would be the normalization of legendaries. Level 60 has been normalized as level cap, so make it so that all legendaries can still be farmed and are still of some use. Make it a system like Destiny where you can only wear one, and each of them is heavily situational. This would give people reason to farm old content for these items.
Personally I think what would have really served the game in the longrun is to give players a reason to do each zone other than it giving you experience you need to reach level cap.
For example, what if you needed to do Un'goro to unlock its tar pits so you can get adhesive from them for crafting, or sulfur from the volcano in the middle of the zone to use in growing crops.
What if you needed to do Townlong Steppes in MoP to get the panda army on your side, to turn the tide in another area and to have a roving band of mercenaries occasionally help you fight in the open world?
Shit like that. There's really not anything like it in WoW, you just go through each area for experience and then the whole zone is disposed of.
speaking of
xiv's roulette system should allow you to use all your cap abilities because frick does it suck to be scaled down to 50 or god forbid below that
There's a legitimate reason why they don't permit that.
>Get put into Satasha
>Fricking Midare that stupid fish at the end
>morons complaining that the level 34 LNC isn't outputting as much DPS as he should
I know there's a reason, but I'd rather they just hardcap dps output at a certain ilvl (per dungeon and dungeon range) and just let you do your full rotation than........ 50 and pre-50 rotations
shit is whack
xiv would be a million times better if you add and mix spells from other classes into the game. they should try it again sometime, and no, blue mage doesn't count.
xiv is shit because the base it is built upon is shit
thats why the game is dead
its got soul at least. too bad all the money that could be used to improve it is getting filtered out towards NFT's and compensating for blunders like Forspoken.
not my problem
rest in piss
>xiv
>soul
lmfao
compared to a lot of Squeenix games after the merger? yes.
now compare it to games not made by enslaved bugoid salarymen
OH YEAH? WELL-
well....uh...hmmmm, looks like you got me there.
>Why not?
because nobody with a brain thinks doing rfc with your classes level 12 abilities available is good endgame content
call me crazy but i don't think it would be an issue with modern class design where most specs only have a handful of abilities anyway
well you’re wrong and moronic
have a nice day troony
wow already has the scaling tech but it’s only used during leveling and timewalking
>No, an MMO needs regular updates
duh i mean the game is barely even recognizable for old fans not that it shouldnt have gotten updates
They just cope by saying "OH ITS ONLY TRANNIES LEAVING SO ITS OKAY" even though those trannies are a great chunk of their workforce and there's no one to replace them because it takes being clinically insane to want to work for Blizzard in 2023.
>"Now they can hire people with /actual/ talent :^)"
>Any programmer with even a second of experience in the industry wouldn't even return an e-mail from a Blizzard executive
Definitely good signs for Blizzard and WoW's future!
Well yeah, the pay is shit, the working environment is shit, their reputation is shit.
What reason does any half-rational human adult have to want to work for them?
And even if they magically come upon a goldmine of talented developers ready to work for them, it'll still take months at minimum before that has any effect.
We're look at a sheer drop off a cliff in DF after 10.1 or so.
avin a chuckle at wow's death
AFTER all is said and done, wow is still the best mmo to play and is the most popular
so were circling around for no reason
there's reason to believe it's not seriously outperforming OSRS or XIV in terms of concurrent players
and really i don't think most people feel a ton of need to play an MMO these days what with social media, discord, and a plethora of non-mmo online games to play today
>wojak version
Disgusting
dead troony game
Warcraft will never be what I want it to be. It's unrecognizable now.
Let's just hope Microsoft makes everything better. I know its a weak hope, but still.
Microsoft is going to bin it like Halo. They only want CoD.
>they still run ESO with a fraction of wow's playerbase
>wow is most popular mmo
>somehow they will bin wow
not the sharpest tool in the cuck shed are you?
I meant they aren't going to do anything with it. Not take it down entirely.
sure, i will take your word troony lmao
Arclight rumble looks great.
you will die before wow
screencap this and tell your parents to tape it on your casket
Microsoft wont be able to revive the IPs from the damage of twitter addicted devs, no matter how much money they pump into it.
>Microsoft makes wow 2
>it’s a shitty souls clone mmo built around gamepad
microsoft doesn't even fricking care about wow
you should look at what they do to properties they do care about and then consider how much worse it'll be for properties they dont care about
remove scaling from MMOs now and i'll return.
xiv and wow have the exact opposite problems
xiv is built on a mountain of shit
wow survives solely on its legacy development
xiv plays design way too safe at the cost of creativity
wow plays design too loose at the cost of broken, cheesable mechanics and unbalanced classes
yeah, but in wows case it makes the game somewhat fresh and you get to see new stuff, compared to final shart which has the same fricking patches since 2013
the same fricking tomestome system
the same fricking shit game it always is
frick you and frick that shit game
I prefer wow to xiv im just making a point
>the same fricking tomestome system
why break what doesn't work?
if only blizzard had been smart enough to stick with valor
break what works*
i love how xivtards think their game is so perfect it can't be improved upon lmao
that's not what I said
the tomestone currency system works
just like valor worked
no need to reinvent the wheel i m o
much as i really like xiv, i agree. it still doesn't hold a candle to WoW preSL.
Here's hoping from 7.0 onwards they'll actually start fixing its holes and do something crazy with it.
I think mage is more fun that warlock
I don’t know what happened mage used to be my go to main but I really dislike it in df
Hard casting pyros was a nice little gimmick but holy frick you have to do it so often now I hate fire
last time I liked arcane was back before the mastery change and you actually had to manage your mana
never really liked frost