>Blizzard posted graph of subs without any labels >Blizzard announces how many subs they have for legion several years ago, which is on graph >Blizzard announces WoW Classic doubled the sub count, proving the graph is not stretched on the Y Axis >Use graph height to determine sub count at any point on graph.
Pretty cool analysis. What this shows is while the game has similar sub counts as Legion's peak, since now there's so many different games (Classic, Hardcore, SoD, Retail), the playerbase is fractured and each game has far lower player counts.
I accidentally let a year long sub roll over 4 months ago which is why I tried out SoD, but I was kinda bored of classic at that point so I haven't touched the game in like 3 months now. and there's still 8 more months of sub time where I count as a subscriber.
so yes, zombie accounts like mine definitely exist
>theyre just giving money to blizzard for no reason!
I'm not sure if you're mocking me, but yes, in an abstract way I did accidentally give money to blizzard for no reason.
2 months ago
Anonymous
You may have enough money to where $15 a month isn't much but blizz does not deserve that
2 months ago
Anonymous
>blizz does not deserve that
hard agree. It's not much to me at all but the principle of it definitely does irk me
>zombie accounts like mine definitely exist
Can kindasorta confirm. Friend of mine tried EVE and since he's a richgay he just set autorenew when he made his account. He ended up not liking it and quit after a few months. Fast forward about a year and a half, he decides to give it another chance and realizes he forgot to cancel his sub the first time he quit. Fortunately he had a fricklong queue when he quit so he didn't waste too many skillpoints.
There were no real numbers shown. Only a shitty line chart with no numbers and a shill youtuber that literally said "This is what is implied by a dev!"
All the leaked numbers around BFA completely ignored for the same of LINE GO UP so you can't ask for real numbers bro.
What makes you think it could be lower and not higher?
2 months ago
Anonymous
What makes you sit on Ganker for hours on end endlessly defending blizzard shitting the bed every year to the point people know the numbers are all fake and gay?
2 months ago
Anonymous
What makes you sit on Ganker hours on end hating on blizzard every day for years when the company is doing better than ever despite all your efforts? Don't you grow tired?
2 months ago
Anonymous
You play games by devs that publicly insult you on social media. You're an unironic cuck lmao.
2 months ago
Anonymous
This. I genuinely don’t know how people can look at blizzards blatant disrespect and exploitation of their players over and over again and still give them money and praise
2 months ago
Anonymous
You're mentally ill. Suicide is the answer for you.
Look at how many BUTTMAD blizzard haters they are. They post hundreds of posts in a thread about a company whose games they don't play. LMAO keep on generating that engagement boys!
2 months ago
Anonymous
blizzard fans eating shit calling it gold meme.jpg
2 months ago
Anonymous
You're mentally ill. Suicide is the answer for you.
2 months ago
Anonymous
These people haven't been the same since the FTC lawsuit confirmed WoW was doing great despite all scandals. And now it's only getting better has sent them into a rage.
2 months ago
Anonymous
[...]
Look at how many BUTTMAD blizzard haters they are. They post hundreds of posts in a thread about a company whose games they don't play. LMAO keep on generating that engagement boys!
You're not a women. You're not a man.
You're a mentally ill medical abomination conSOOMer.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Don't care, it's legal fact that wow's doing great broski.
2 months ago
Anonymous
No it's not. Go dilate.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>personally mad that blizzard is doing great >personally mad that whatever mmo they play is dead in the water >can't argue with numbers and facts >resorts to ad hominems like a suffocating fish flailing out of water
Buttmad levels through the roof with these creeps.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Not reading your slopper cope.
Rope is cheap make it happen. Chop chop.
2 months ago
Anonymous
The fact that a simple number makes your blood boil speaks volumes to everyone reading this.
2 months ago
Anonymous
There were no numbers.
Everyone is making fun of this thread and your botched axe wound.
I'd say take your meds but again rope is cheaper. just do it!
2 months ago
Anonymous
You keep bringing up LGBT boogieman. You're definitely mad.
Come on anon I like wow but OW2 is dead, starcraft is dead, hots is dead, warcraft rumble and hearthstone are alright I suppose
Ok cool.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Rope. NOW!
2 months ago
Anonymous
Come on anon I like wow but OW2 is dead, starcraft is dead, hots is dead, warcraft rumble and hearthstone are alright I suppose
>Doesn't know Blizzard stopped reporting the subscriber count in 2010 and then completely in 2015
Everything Blizzard says between 2015 and 2024 about the subscriber numbers should be considered hearsay at best. >But they're owned by Microsoft now
Doesn't mean shit.
>numbers went up slightly compared to numbers which we published
Doesn't take a genius to figure this out.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Trust me, bro
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Last game sold 5 million copies >This game sold slightly more copies than the last one
Now Anon for the $1000000 question! How many copies did the second game sell?
2 months ago
Anonymous
considering the amount of microtransactions it could be literally any number of sales and still perform better overall
>Just tell everyone that numbers doubled, everyone is sure to flock back at the idea that servers are populated again
The graph itself confirms they were lying about that though lmao holy shit
2 months ago
Anonymous
>random article written by a proud WoWbuck >still contains 0 sources
Yawn
2 months ago
Anonymous
>extremetech.com
literally who? if it's not from b.net it's not "verified" you "TRUST THE HECKIN SCIENCE" tard-wrangler
announces how many subs they have for legion several years ago, which is on graph
wrong. They said that legion sold more expansions than wod, but never the fact it had more subscribers
gullible morons, this is just a way to "leak oops tee hee" to investors while still not reporting figures officially i.e. to get around requirements their figures be truthful.
If they still had 7 million at ANY point in the last 5 years they would've taken back the silence on reporting sales figures.
>accounts, not players
Most botters, profressional ones at least, run around 500+ accounts at any one time
Professional botting companies can manage about 10k accounts easily
A shitty 3k build on a server can run around 100 clients
The graph (and Bellular's vid in general) has none of the following information.
-A Y axis with any kind of frame of reference.
-Disaggregation of different SKUs/products (WoW Retail, Classic, Hardcore, etc.)
-A direct source for the data that may have been used to construct the graph.
-Confidence intervals surrounding the line to indicate roughly how strongly Bellular (or anyone else constructing a similar graph) believes his guess can be relied on.
Some additional info that would help shed some light:
-A breakdown of accounts per SKU
-Average number of toons per account per SKU
-Average number of hours played per toon per SKU
-Aggregated (and disaggregated) playtime per month, per server.
Blizzard has all this data, by the way. The software generates it automatically for them.
If the news is great across the board I'd expect them to revive reporting player stats.
It's guesswork, it includes no less than half a dozen products (I'm actually prepared to believe that part - the sub count according to the graph gets a four million sub shot in the arm right as Classic comes out, right at the nadir, and then it steadily stays above that, indicating Classic and its forks are keeping WoW alive at this point) it contains no detailed breakdowns of where player activity is or what's going on these days, etc. As a snapshot it's potentially interesting but statistically quite risky to rely on, but I don't think it can form the basis of any serious analysis.
Laughing at your desperation to show your game isn’t dead dogshit is payment
2 months ago
Anonymous
Imagine being this upset over reality. You sound like a global warming denier or flat earther.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Unproved claims aren't reality. Cry about it.
2 months ago
Anonymous
2 months ago
Anonymous
Blizzard shills are so fricking lazy. I wish I paid to make such low effort shitposts like this.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Thank you for consneeding. Another win for me
Why do XIV cultists come into Blizzard threads? Is their game dead or something? I don't think XIV has shills because their sub counts are too low to support such marketing.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm a XIV cultist now
That's it, keep following the deflection script. Don't own up to being wrong no matter what. Just retreat and mock and cover your tracks with game tribalism.
2 months ago
Anonymous
You are. See
>check out this unsourced graph that’s been disproven multiple times! >lol moron >WHY U DENY REALITY, CHUD?
XIV has more subs lol
2 months ago
Anonymous
>another post by another anon us now me because they disagreed with the blizzard shill too
I get the IP counter is gone, but this is still pathetic cope. Nobody has ever been convinced by the pathetic samegay accusation.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Thank you for consneeding. Another win for me
2 months ago
Anonymous
>check out this unsourced graph that’s been disproven multiple times! >lol moron >WHY U DENY REALITY, CHUD?
XIV has more subs lol
2 months ago
Anonymous
Oh my god, it's an XIV cultist. Why are they so mad that their game isn't as popular as WoW?
2 months ago
Anonymous
>an XIV
Doesn’t surprise me that the blizz shill is an ESL lol
2 months ago
Anonymous
That's proper English. "an ex eye vee"
2 months ago
Anonymous
Holy moly moron, Batman
2 months ago
Anonymous
Please be trolling
2 months ago
Anonymous
I know it's really "15", but everyone says "ex eye vee" when they see it instinctively because using roman numerals for numbers greater than 5 is stupid.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>I know it's really "15" >15
of course the blizzdrone is incapable of beating the moron allegations
2 months ago
Anonymous
It honestly shows how little we care for your dead game if we can't even think of the correct number.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>irrefutably prove that you’re a moron who can’t read or write >”well no one plays that game anyways”
The only good blizzard has done for society is give the tards their containment zone
2 months ago
Anonymous
>"ex eye vee" >XIV >literally the Roman numeral for 14
You fricking Black person
2 months ago
Anonymous
nobody plays ff41 except for literal troons
2 months ago
Anonymous
Literally obsessed
2 months ago
Anonymous
>XIV >real mmo
So going to nightclubs where everyone is a troon an MMO?
So going to Goldshire and taking horse wiener up the ass is an MMO?
lmao, everyone laugh at this bootyblasted troon
FFXIV has more players than WoW.
This isn’t even arguable, nobody knows what WoW is anymore. Meanwhile people talk about XIV constantly and it is constantly winning awards and good praise.
That's crazy, been playing MMOs for like 2 decades and I had no clue it was that big in chinkland. Though like I said I've never played wow so idk how bottable or exploitable that game is considering that's the main draw for 3rd worlders.
Quick question, by the way; Does Blizzard count the chinese method of subscription, aka time that ticks down as you play, as "active" accounts (for example say you pay for thirty hours and play for an hour a day, or fifteen hours for two days)? Swore it was mentioned somehwere they do
Ya. Not only do they count it, but they count it super dishonestly by treating any account with any gametime on it as a full sub, even inactive accounts with an hour left on it forever unused.
The newest cope from WoWbucks is that they didn’t count China which is just a blatant lie
2 months ago
Anonymous
You mean the country in which WoW is no longer sold and thus counts for 0 players.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, which proves the graph is bullshit considering there’s no way they would reach back to legion levels without China
2 months ago
Anonymous
That's clearly false, because WoW doubled its sub counts just from Classic alone.
2 months ago
Anonymous
300k to 600k
Woah
2 months ago
Anonymous
4 million to 8 million as proven by the graph.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>This graph proves WoW is at 7mil >how does it prove it? >look at the graph
Oh I’m laffin. Why are you even still trying this? /wowg/ already admitted the graph was fake
2 months ago
Anonymous
Are you ESL? Is
>Blizzard posted graph of subs without any labels >Blizzard announces how many subs they have for legion several years ago, which is on graph >Blizzard announces WoW Classic doubled the sub count, proving the graph is not stretched on the Y Axis >Use graph height to determine sub count at any point on graph.
Pretty cool analysis. What this shows is while the game has similar sub counts as Legion's peak, since now there's so many different games (Classic, Hardcore, SoD, Retail), the playerbase is fractured and each game has far lower player counts.
hard to read?
2 months ago
Anonymous
You have no numbers. "Youtuber says" is not real numbers.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>"no numbers" >literally a chart covered in numbers
I’m starting to think you’re actually genuine about this which is kinda sad, so I’ll ask, where’s the source? And why are weekly M+ completions at under 800k?
800k a week implies at most 500k players considering how it’s all anyone does anymore
Because most people don't play M+? It's like trying to judge Helldivers 2 player counts on how many people play Helldive difficulty.
2 months ago
Anonymous
a chart covered in numbers
that doesnt count tho
2 months ago
Anonymous
The numbers were literally extrapolated by a man whose job it is to make sure WoW looks good so he can keep his stupid job.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Stop dodging the question homosexual.
I don't give a shit what some Youtuber says.
WHERE ARE THE BLIZZARD NUMBERS?
2 months ago
Anonymous
2 months ago
Anonymous
>no numbers
2 months ago
Anonymous
One core feature of human intelligence is extrapolating from incomplete data.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>90% of subs were chink prepaid cards >therefore an extremely generous estimate is 1 mil subs at legion's peak >therefore wow has maybe 500k subs at the moment
2 months ago
Anonymous
>3.8 million sales on day1 >No, those people don't have a sub and plan on actually playing the game
2 months ago
Anonymous
it was bundled with GPUs, of course most of them didn't even try it out
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Source doesn't count >MAU doesn't count as a sub >Bobby is lying >Waaaaah
Did i get them all?
2 months ago
Anonymous
You covered all the common WoWbuck responses, yes
2 months ago
Anonymous
Where are the numbers, numbnuts?
2 months ago
Anonymous
Oh so daily active users are calculated the same as MAU, so if some is playing the 4 versions of wow they count as 4 subs
Nice self-own LMFAO
2 months ago
Anonymous
Nobody is playing all versions of WoW.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>hmm i’ll make a character in classic/sod/wrath to try it >actiblizz bundles it under the same sub and is counted as 4 separate DAU
I gotta admit, those israelites are pretty clever
2 months ago
Anonymous
As we all know, Vanilla WoW official servers launched in 2016.
2 months ago
Anonymous
wod and legion expansion sold the same amount of copies. mother fricker. they could be talking about revenue from wow tokens
2 months ago
Anonymous
So these are the numbers they talk about huh?
Okay nice joke, where are the real numbers?
2 months ago
Anonymous
Shareholder info doesn't count when it goes against your agenda?
2 months ago
Anonymous
A chart made by a redditor with no actual source. For all we know someone playing retail, classic, sod and wrath can be counted as 4 separate subs
2 months ago
Anonymous
>most people don’t do M+
Come on now
2 months ago
Anonymous
>M+ is the only content constantly pushed by blizzard now. >ERHM NOT EVERYONE DOES THIS CONTENT!!
So blizzard flops another one? Out of this mysterious 10 mililililion bullshit number only 500k do that content shoved out by blizzard and E-Sported out by blizzard?
How sad.
2 months ago
Anonymous
I’m starting to think you’re actually genuine about this which is kinda sad, so I’ll ask, where’s the source? And why are weekly M+ completions at under 800k?
800k a week implies at most 500k players considering how it’s all anyone does anymore
2 months ago
Anonymous
It's almost as if not everyone does M+. And you are not counting the people playing SoD, era, HC and Wrath.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>not everyone does M+
True, but you do know that a large amount of people do multiple runs a week? Upwards of 10? And that’s just for one character.
If you played WoW you would know, but you clearly don’t
2 months ago
Anonymous
You mean sort of like how not everyone logs their M+ runs so lots of them are not tracked at all?
2 months ago
Anonymous
Ok so you don’t know a thing about what you are talking about. Got it, thanks for letting me know to not reply to you anymore.
I thought the WC movie was probably the best game to movie adaptation honestly. It fricked with the lore a little bit, but it was ultimately just a movie adaptation of Warcraft 1 with some extended lore.
2 months ago
Anonymous
the llane wrynn death was really stupid but thats to be expected I guess
I thought the WC movie was probably the best game to movie adaptation honestly. It fricked with the lore a little bit, but it was ultimately just a movie adaptation of Warcraft 1 with some extended lore.
They didn't make any sequels because Hollywood/Blizzard collab took 10 fricking years to make one mid movie.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Movie was fine considering it was what nobody wanted. Everyone wanted and still wants Arthas.
2 months ago
Anonymous
This Blizzard can easily make a movie about their RTS game. They sadly missed the ball for it as everything now is about 'muh woman empowerment'
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Arthas
Arthas is super dead and the books ruined him as a character to hell and back.
Blizzard must really be scared of Dawntrail for them to be ramping up the blatant shilling this hard.
According to M+ numbers WoW is at 500k players at most, so I see why
Why do you believe their graph? The same company that can't even hold all their scandals but somehow you will take them at their word for this one thing? Please.
I would bet my bottom dollar those 7m are anyone that ever were subscribed for a single second any time in the last 5 years. The actual number of people actively paying for and playing the game right now probably isn't even a tenth of that.
I know fools still trying to get me back into the game 15 years later.
It seems to be a lot of childish men who want to relive their glory years in wow.
News flash Jeff the game sucks ass now. I'm looking at you too Matthew, thinking your druid boomkin was ever any good when you were a shitty healer for most of your time playing.
This is probably true, I rarely see a genuine blizzard fan actually defend their company, they have been with it so long they have just learned to quietly take it up the ass
It isn't easy to escape WoW.
Once it gets its hook in you. It is incredibly tough to break free. Honestly, bad content is ultimately the only way to break the cycle. For me that was WoTLK. I think I was too young to realize back then that TBC was also bad. Replaying wow classic and wow classic tbc the difference was night and day. tbc had nothing to do but dailies and the weekly raid.
Blizzard shilling has increased since they got pushback on the new battle.net terms of service that force you to waive your right to dispute arbitration and class action suits that you either must accept or permanently lose access to your account.
Lol is that really their updated terms of service?
I just started telling people a suit against Blizzard for not providing the service they were payed for via bans would be worth millions. You can absolutely decide who you provide service to but you can't still charge them for it. Why Blizzard is so fricked is that they have created a direct dollar value of their gold.
The second thing is that their censorship of ingame chat requires violating wiretapping law; which means anyone banned for that reason has a very easy settlement.
It's a /wowg/ fake campaign after the Graphgate meltdown about 24 hours ago.
They actually believe that Bellular, who pulled numbers out of his ass, is correct when it clearly shows that the graphs are clearly taken from Google Trends and the lines connect.
>Major sex scandal that causes many to embrace mob mentality and flee elsewhere. >Company gets picked up by the 5th largest tech organization on the planet. >The CEO is called the ideal personification of the American dream in court, making it legally binding. >Documents reveal not only was WoW still doing great, it was easily carrying the Blizzard side of the company. >Now graphs leak confirming that yes, the game's still doing great while the CEO everyone hated left with a golden parachute and the company they came to hate will never fold thanks to buyout.
It is, but it's mostly bots, farmers and tards that treat the game like second life and dump hundreds if not thousands of dollars for wow tokens to buy carries or to buy shop items
It's upsetting as frick I wish it was doing shit so Blizzard would just fricking die
Goyvid, billions people got stuck in their house so of course they decided to play video games, also the reason why Gachas started dying during that period too.
Why did it mindbreak your players so hard they had to start calling it Other Game then?
2 months ago
Anonymous
Bro, nobody cares about Ex Eye Vee. It's a dead game and your attempts to spark discussion in it fail every time you bring it up.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>avoidant argument
Another win for me!
2 months ago
Anonymous
>the game you despise is thriving, and you're adding to its engagement by hatefully engaging in its threads >whatever game it competes against that you love so much is dying >"but I won the internet argument!"
Kek
2 months ago
Anonymous
Weird that XIV is doing better tho.
Don’t break your keyboard typing a response
2 months ago
Anonymous
if XIV was doing better than WoW don't you think Square would have mentioned their numbers? Any smart business would do this especially if you're trying to compete for top spot in a market.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>company has never once given their subscriber numbers >THEM NOT SHOWING THEM IS PROOF THEY ARE FAILING
This is some exquisite cope
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Proof they are failing
But I never said that? You need some therapy if these are the scenarios you're making up in your head.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>avoids the argument to be disingenuous
Every time.
Another win for me LMAO
2 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, looks like you need some wins in your pathetic life.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>gets BTFO >w-well you must be sad irl!
So we’re projecting now? Please keep it up, I wanna know all about you!
2 months ago
Anonymous
>gets btfo >continues screeching he won
its okay buddy maybe one day you'll win
2 months ago
Anonymous
>n-no you
Still going? Please! Dance monkey dance! Show me how mad you are!
2 months ago
Anonymous
Need to get the last reply in? Oh how pathetic you are.
2 months ago
Anonymous
go take your hrt and and stay in your ff41 containment threads
Dance! Dance! Dance!
2 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, that is what you and your troon FC is doing in ff41 right now right?
2 months ago
Anonymous
go take your hrt and and stay in your ff41 containment threads
2 months ago
Anonymous
It’s literally what happened in EoD, they stopped because they plummeted
>All these people in these threads who refuse to believe that World of Warcraft has this many subscribers
The unfortunate reality is that it's true. What people are missing though is that a subscriber is not an active player.
WoW has been shilling out "Exclusive" bonuses for purchasing lengthy subscription packages for ages at this point, and this is why their subscriber numbers stay high. A ton of morons purchase a 12 month subscription deal because of FOMO over some moronic looking mounts or cosmetics and then quit playing after a month, but they count as an active subscription for the entire year.
Basically Blizzard figured out how to make a lot of players who only count as an active subscriber for 1 or 2 months out of the year (People who sub to play an expansion and then quit) count as an active subscriber for 12 months of the year through these packages, and it works.
Consider the following: It only says "subscriber" and not "paying subscriber". Any currently active account that has been subbed for one month at any point in time is counted as a subscriber, whether the owner is paying with actual money or using tokens for gametime.
Say what. Use your words anon. Say what you actually mean. You are (hopefully) not a toddler.
On the offchance that you were trying to say "why don't they say paying subscriber?", it's because being vague means they're technically not lying.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Any currently active account that has been subbed for one month at any point in time is counted as a subscriber >They have over 500 million of those so why don't they use those numbers? >WAH DU U MEAN!???? I NO UNDERSTOOD
2 months ago
Anonymous
>mfw i'm arguing with an esl moron
Because they're not currently ACTIVE so they DO NOT fit the subscriber criteria.
2 months ago
Anonymous
So you are just making up random shit with numbers from your ass. Very believable. Now go rant about the moon landing or how we are all going to die from the vaccine next week.
2 months ago
Anonymous
I posted no numbers, and that's bl*zzards own definition of a subscriber. (You), on the other hand, pulled 500 million out of your own ass. Try again, Ranjeet.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>own definition of a subscriber.
Source me bro.
2 months ago
Anonymous
inb4 >hurr 10 mil
That article is from WoD.
2 months ago
Anonymous
So you just proved your own definition wrong. Good job moron.
2 months ago
Anonymous
I didn't. It doesn't say you have to be continually paying, just that you have to have paid a sub [once]. If it did, they couldn't count the token users as subscribers. Keep trying, Ranjeet.
2 months ago
Anonymous
So not only are you moronic, you also can't read 1st grade english.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>reeee pls keep giving me attention even though i have no arguments
Concession accepted.
It's corpospeak you bull fellating riceBlack person. Half truths and lying by omission is the name of the game. Anything to look good for the investors.
2 months ago
Anonymous
What argument? You litterally do not understand the basic fricking sentence you proved to "own me".
How the frick does one argue with a moronic Black person who doesn't even understand basic fricking language?
But yes. It's everyone elses fault and everyone is lying. You couldn't possible be wrong despite being unable to read at a 1st grader level.
So are all these people in denial about WoW numbers just ex players who got burned and now can't handle the very idea that some people might like something that they don't?
Blizztroons have actually resorted to scuffed photos of some illusive “subscriber graph” like it’s fricking Bigfoot or something into thinking their game ain’t dead
Without Chinese numbers, WOTLK which was the peak of the games popularity/subs was at 7.5 million.
So you're telling me that in 2024 the game is roughly just as popular outside of china as it was 15+ years ago?
You're dumb as a bag of bricks if you actually believe this >just trust me bro
nonsense.
>WTH, are you telling me a game has more players in a larger market, just because it's cheaper and has no competition?
You clearly missed the point.
If you remove the ~5 million chinese subs from WOTLKs peak sub count, you're left with about 7.5 million world wide.
Chinese WoW shut down at the start of 2023, so any numbers of the current sub base is the worldwide (minus china) stats.
And according to the "new information", the current sub count is roughly 7.2 million, or only about 300,000 subs behind the worldwide (minus china) subs the game had at it's absolute peak of popularity.
???
What made up number?
Blizzard quite literally told us the breakdown of their sub numbers way the frick back when they were bragging about how the game was doing all the time, and at it's peak it was about 5 million chinese players and 7.5 million worldwide players.
Since you can no longer play WoW in china, that means the number of worldwide players is roughly the same now, 15 years later, as it was back during the peak of the games popularity when WOTLK was current.
This isn't rocket science anon, it's basic math.
That hardly affected the sub counts based on the graph in
>Blizzard posted graph of subs without any labels >Blizzard announces how many subs they have for legion several years ago, which is on graph >Blizzard announces WoW Classic doubled the sub count, proving the graph is not stretched on the Y Axis >Use graph height to determine sub count at any point on graph.
Pretty cool analysis. What this shows is while the game has similar sub counts as Legion's peak, since now there's so many different games (Classic, Hardcore, SoD, Retail), the playerbase is fractured and each game has far lower player counts.
Does it really count when they have to add up all the subs of classic and its derivatives to those of retail to reach a similar amount to their older expansions?
Guess people really like the end game, seemed shit like me and lots of vocal people agreed so I thought the game was dying.
Do you wow players really like all that sensory overload that comes from raiding? I could not withstand looking at it on video so I will not even attempt to play it.
>Decide to ERP >Go to GS to ERP >Want to play the game now >Play the game M+
Now we do FFXIV >Want to play the game >PF is barren because no one does content on my DC >However there are still coomshit ERP ads in PF >Have to travel to another DC just to play the game
I mean I'm not surprised considering one sub gives you access to what, 4 different versions of the game. So even if you're only playing one of them you still count towards a single sub total.
>So even if you're only playing one of them you still count towards a single sub total.
And if you're playing all 4 you count as 4 subs, because that's how Blizzard counts their players.
>And if you're playing all 4 you count as 4 subs
I don't think that's true. One sub gives you access to them all. If I pay for a sub because I want to play SoD, I could also play Dragonflight with that sub if I wanted to (which I don't, but I could)
If you play Diablo 4, Overwatch, WoW, and Starcraft 2 all within the same month you count as 4 different monthly active users.
If you play WoW, WoW Classic, WoW SOD, and whatever the third one is WoW Classic WOTLK or something I'm guessing, you count as not only 4 MAUs but also 4 subs.
It's been this way for years. They're incredibly shady in how they report their user numbers.
>If you play WoW, WoW Classic, WoW SOD, and whatever the third one is WoW Classic WOTLK or something I'm guessing, you count as not only 4 MAU
Sure is lucky the numbers is from 2016, when there was only 1 version of the game.
FFXIV has more players than WoW.
This isn’t even arguable, nobody knows what WoW is anymore. Meanwhile people talk about XIV constantly and it is constantly winning awards and good praise.
because they overplayed their hand in killing their own game to push players in another direction and now they're scrambling to recapture players and investors
The higher the number, the more the tards seethe. The more the tards seethe, the more entertainment from watching them embarrass themselves for everyone else.
>all this shitflinging between WoW and FFXIV
Come home, Ganker. Play a real MMO!
Join the....maybe 30k players, we're never quite sure, that call it home.
>pls bro go to blob central bro pls bro i swear it will be fun bro pls the goons are gone bro pls bro i swear bro we're tired of scrimming titans bro pls bro
I don't believe this simply because when WoW had 7+ millions subs it was an unironic cultural phenomenon and literally every single person was either playing it, or knew multiple people playing it, and that is absoloutely not the case at this point
>Everything Blizzard has done for nearly a decade has been a disaster >Entire company replaced with new (lesser talented) hires >Huge shift in the mmo landscape in 2019-2020 >Lost players during covid by some miracle of ineptitude
Classic surely brought back a lot of terminally addicted customers but judging by the server pops they didn't stick around. If they did have 7 million subs you can be sure they wouldn't "leak" it via an unmarked anonymous graph, 1.7m seems more likely a number with the bulk of that being classic.
The only reason to even play WoW anymore is if you're a sweaty minmaxxing raider. The game showed casuals the door years ago, and then begged them to come back with Classic's marketing, only for them to again be shown the door by the sweaty minmaxxers who took over Classic.
There's no helping it, that's the game Blizzard made. All it has is raiding. It's insane how much content they've made to be utterly disposable and how they took out progression (the second most satisfying thing about MMOs aside from social interaction) except for the very last step, which is raiding current content for gear.
It used to be that you could start a new character and have a great time going from the starting zone, to early dungeons, to different zones doing group quests and crafting to get incrementally better gear. It all took time so each new piece and level felt meaningful.
Then WotLK introduced heirlooms and then they nerfed experience to be something like a quarter of what was originally needed and you essentially just skip all the way to the end because it's the only thing that matters.
It's miserable to play.
Bliz should take all the old content/assets from WoW and make a series of Diablo 2 like single player/coop focused games. Would be a fun way to go back to old WoW content.
I personally just think they should have focused on ensuring zones were still useful after players had finished leveling/questing in them. Gathering, crafting, and stuff like OSRS's Slayer or XIV's Hunts should have been copied.
Ultimately the problem is that sweaty endgame raiding made for a very specific audience is all the game has.
Once upon a time this was considered the most casual game in the genre. That hasn't been the case for a long time.
WoW in it's hayday was a really cool and unique experience but many people ended up trading their chances of financial and social success for experiencing top notch GAYMER KINO.
so if you have either of those now, no you didn't miss out.
Cause it's at least 2 diff games if not 3 being counted.
And Chinese people still play even tho banned in China or w.e. Chinese VPN every game in existence
SoD. Classic. Retail. That's why plunderstorm was added its just about excuses to make u sub. With all of these teams tho it doesn't mean profits are also high. You need to update and maintain 3 versions of ur game and all of the revenue is shared. Still nothing on their peak when 50 dollar expansions were dropping every 2 years and selling 20 million each plus sub on top.. though they did say one store mount was more profitable than an entire starcraft game so blizz drones are just moronic. Will never drop the game and continue to be milked dry.
I had an irl friend have a fricking realization as if an illusion broke when he got into BG3. He was just saying "I could have played other kino all this time". Tbf he is a normie and just assumed wow was the only game he'd ever enjoy I guess.
asmongold said >the chart shows subscribers
but >belluar used the 2019 statement from the financial support saying legion it had a slightly overperformed wod
belluar thinks it means it overperformed subscribers, but we know it meant expansion sales numbers, because it is clearly not saying subscribers in any sense >well how do you know it means expansion sales
because wod sold 3.3m and legion sold 3.3m, if bellaur thinks 250k extra subscribers are "slightly overperformed" then hes a moronic mother fricker.
It could have 700million players, a shit game is a shit game. It blows me away people are still playing this shit ten years after it's hey-day. This is beyond crack addition.
Bots and bugmen.
Also Blizzard is known for lying through their teeth. >"don't worry there'll be overwatch pve like we promised" >proceeds to not develop it at all, opting for skins and other cash shop slop >"don't worry we'll be listening to fans when developing next time" >proceeds to make expansions that cater to people who don't play video games
>we re-established the relationship with our players
What does this mean, I mean I know it's corporate speak but what is the lie that they're pushing to make this claim?
>still no explanation for how the CN sub change totally didn't effect the subscriber count between WoD and Legion >WoWBlack folk still totally believe CN wasn't counted in the official sub counts released from 2005-2015 >even though the subscriber definition specifically calls out prepaid cards and game rooms
I will accept this chart when anyone can adequately explain why none of that could throw off the moronic mick's numbers. Note that Irish people are commonly understood to be alcoholic morons.
it is impossible for me to go anywhere on the internet where people are talking about games and not see a frickton of people with avatars of their ff14 character, or fanart of some ff14 character. i have never playedit, but i know who emet selch is and graha tia is because there is so much fan art of that shit everywhere that you can't not see it. it is literally everywhere.
i have never in my life seen anyone's wow character or fan art of a wow character outside of random sfm porn on /gif/. there is no way it has anything emotely remotely close to the number of players.
You have to be kidding yourself if you don't think WoW art/porn is incredibly pervasive. I haven't even played WoW in over a decade and I still get a daily dose of horsewiener futa draenei and belf/nelf bimbos.
WoW has a lot of WoW-only players. FF14 has 14 in the fricking title, it's an entry in a long running series that will attract people who have played other games in that franchise and games adjacent to the franchise. WoW has kind of always just been WoW and it's fricking huge but it doesn't reach outside its own bubble anymore.
Nu-Blizzard subhumans lying in their presentation. Nothing else to see here. Anything in that dashed cube is expectations, basicly delusions on their side.
It's not. Where is the proof?
behind the panda
>Blizzard posted graph of subs without any labels
>Blizzard announces how many subs they have for legion several years ago, which is on graph
>Blizzard announces WoW Classic doubled the sub count, proving the graph is not stretched on the Y Axis
>Use graph height to determine sub count at any point on graph.
Pretty cool analysis. What this shows is while the game has similar sub counts as Legion's peak, since now there's so many different games (Classic, Hardcore, SoD, Retail), the playerbase is fractured and each game has far lower player counts.
I wonder how many of the accounts at this point are zombie accounts, where the owner doesn't even. Realize he is still subscribed
No many since most are nerd man
I accidentally let a year long sub roll over 4 months ago which is why I tried out SoD, but I was kinda bored of classic at that point so I haven't touched the game in like 3 months now. and there's still 8 more months of sub time where I count as a subscriber.
so yes, zombie accounts like mine definitely exist
>Theres no way that these are legitimate, theyre just giving money to blizzard for no reason!
>theyre just giving money to blizzard for no reason!
I'm not sure if you're mocking me, but yes, in an abstract way I did accidentally give money to blizzard for no reason.
You may have enough money to where $15 a month isn't much but blizz does not deserve that
>blizz does not deserve that
hard agree. It's not much to me at all but the principle of it definitely does irk me
>zombie accounts like mine definitely exist
Can kindasorta confirm. Friend of mine tried EVE and since he's a richgay he just set autorenew when he made his account. He ended up not liking it and quit after a few months. Fast forward about a year and a half, he decides to give it another chance and realizes he forgot to cancel his sub the first time he quit. Fortunately he had a fricklong queue when he quit so he didn't waste too many skillpoints.
There were no real numbers shown. Only a shitty line chart with no numbers and a shill youtuber that literally said "This is what is implied by a dev!"
All the leaked numbers around BFA completely ignored for the same of LINE GO UP so you can't ask for real numbers bro.
So you're saying the sub counts could be higher than 7 million? Like 10 million?
Did your mother drink heavily with you?
What makes you think it could be lower and not higher?
What makes you sit on Ganker for hours on end endlessly defending blizzard shitting the bed every year to the point people know the numbers are all fake and gay?
What makes you sit on Ganker hours on end hating on blizzard every day for years when the company is doing better than ever despite all your efforts? Don't you grow tired?
You play games by devs that publicly insult you on social media. You're an unironic cuck lmao.
This. I genuinely don’t know how people can look at blizzards blatant disrespect and exploitation of their players over and over again and still give them money and praise
Look at how many BUTTMAD blizzard haters they are. They post hundreds of posts in a thread about a company whose games they don't play. LMAO keep on generating that engagement boys!
blizzard fans eating shit calling it gold meme.jpg
You're mentally ill. Suicide is the answer for you.
These people haven't been the same since the FTC lawsuit confirmed WoW was doing great despite all scandals. And now it's only getting better has sent them into a rage.
You're not a women. You're not a man.
You're a mentally ill medical abomination conSOOMer.
Don't care, it's legal fact that wow's doing great broski.
No it's not. Go dilate.
>personally mad that blizzard is doing great
>personally mad that whatever mmo they play is dead in the water
>can't argue with numbers and facts
>resorts to ad hominems like a suffocating fish flailing out of water
Buttmad levels through the roof with these creeps.
Not reading your slopper cope.
Rope is cheap make it happen. Chop chop.
The fact that a simple number makes your blood boil speaks volumes to everyone reading this.
There were no numbers.
Everyone is making fun of this thread and your botched axe wound.
I'd say take your meds but again rope is cheaper. just do it!
You keep bringing up LGBT boogieman. You're definitely mad.
Ok cool.
Rope. NOW!
Come on anon I like wow but OW2 is dead, starcraft is dead, hots is dead, warcraft rumble and hearthstone are alright I suppose
If they still had 7.2 active paying subs they'd be screaming it from the mountaintops
>Blizzard announces how many subs they have for legion several years ago, which is on graph
unironically you should be banned for this lie
>Doesn't know Blizzard stopped reporting the subscriber count in 2010 and then completely in 2015
Everything Blizzard says between 2015 and 2024 about the subscriber numbers should be considered hearsay at best.
>But they're owned by Microsoft now
Doesn't mean shit.
They literally reported legion's in
>The numbers went up slightly
Real smoothbrain hours today it seems, Jamal.
>numbers went up slightly compared to numbers which we published
Doesn't take a genius to figure this out.
>Trust me, bro
>Last game sold 5 million copies
>This game sold slightly more copies than the last one
Now Anon for the $1000000 question! How many copies did the second game sell?
considering the amount of microtransactions it could be literally any number of sales and still perform better overall
5m +1
You might have a point if the game didn't have one sub for all versions effectively making them one 'world of warcraft' product.
The fact that they've figured out how to cater to the audience and create such an upward trending graph in 2024 for an old ass MMO is a miracle.
The #2 mmo FF14 can't even match the player numbers for any single version of WoW except maybe hardcore (lol). You Pedos are finished.
Lol BfA is listed as having 4 million more players than it did.
If it really has 3 million accounts now that's still ridiculous.
>having 4 million more players than it did
source? Where is the source bro? do you have a source for that? bro?
Here are the 1.4m CHARACTERS retail had 1 month into BfA.
>has number of new characters image from 2016 saved on PC for a thread like this
>isnt mindbroke
choose one
And here I thought posting random images with numbers didn't count as a source. Guess they only count when you like it.
>numbers from blizzard's API
real
>numbers from some fat moron on youtube making shit up
fake
You cant expect a troon to tell the truth, they want you to adhere to their delusion
I played BfA launch and near the end, and it was still popular.
Fenris was a fricking ghost town when I left by the end of WoD. I strongly doubt these numbers.
>implying this graph is accurate and not just a misleading graphic presented by some red-haired womyn in marketing
It's been verified.
blatant lie
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/306104-blizzard-confirms-wow-subscriber-base-doubled-after-classic-launched
>Just tell everyone that numbers doubled, everyone is sure to flock back at the idea that servers are populated again
The graph itself confirms they were lying about that though lmao holy shit
>random article written by a proud WoWbuck
>still contains 0 sources
Yawn
>extremetech.com
literally who? if it's not from b.net it's not "verified" you "TRUST THE HECKIN SCIENCE" tard-wrangler
>We have investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing
No it hasn’t lmao.
It’s been debunked in fact
>It's been verified.
>legion as a baseline
kek
>this is based on what an employee implied
double kek
announces how many subs they have for legion several years ago, which is on graph
wrong. They said that legion sold more expansions than wod, but never the fact it had more subscribers
gullible morons, this is just a way to "leak oops tee hee" to investors while still not reporting figures officially i.e. to get around requirements their figures be truthful.
If they still had 7 million at ANY point in the last 5 years they would've taken back the silence on reporting sales figures.
>accounts, not players
Most botters, profressional ones at least, run around 500+ accounts at any one time
Professional botting companies can manage about 10k accounts easily
A shitty 3k build on a server can run around 100 clients
They banned multiboxing during Battle for Azeroth.
did they not implement this technology in the classic servers for the ultimate experience? because there are bots all over the place
Bots can make millions of gold and they've been using the Chromie time exploit since Shadowlands when it was first introduced.
Classic also has a huge problem with botting as well.
Just few examples.
>computer with solitaire on it
lel solitaire > wow
why is the pandaren so wide?
that's rude to say about her
it's a compliment among their kind if anything
more like 720 thousand at best
Or 72 million.
I think it's just 30+ year olds that invested thousands of hours into this game and nostalgia gays. But mostly bots.
Graph is fake. We have already been through this same discussion several times.
If you fall for it you are genuinely moronic
Proof?
>posts unsourced graph with no Y-axis
>call it fake
>UHHHH PROOF?
Burden of proof, and a YouTuber saying it’s real doesn’t count
you are the one making the claim, the burden of proof is on you
Blizzard are evil incarnate. Therefore the graph they made for GCD is clearly made up to make them look good.
>you post an unsourced graph
>ask for proof
>PROVE ITS FAKE FIRST
You ok?
The graph (and Bellular's vid in general) has none of the following information.
-A Y axis with any kind of frame of reference.
-Disaggregation of different SKUs/products (WoW Retail, Classic, Hardcore, etc.)
-A direct source for the data that may have been used to construct the graph.
-Confidence intervals surrounding the line to indicate roughly how strongly Bellular (or anyone else constructing a similar graph) believes his guess can be relied on.
Some additional info that would help shed some light:
-A breakdown of accounts per SKU
-Average number of toons per account per SKU
-Average number of hours played per toon per SKU
-Aggregated (and disaggregated) playtime per month, per server.
Blizzard has all this data, by the way. The software generates it automatically for them.
If the news is great across the board I'd expect them to revive reporting player stats.
It's guesswork, it includes no less than half a dozen products (I'm actually prepared to believe that part - the sub count according to the graph gets a four million sub shot in the arm right as Classic comes out, right at the nadir, and then it steadily stays above that, indicating Classic and its forks are keeping WoW alive at this point) it contains no detailed breakdowns of where player activity is or what's going on these days, etc. As a snapshot it's potentially interesting but statistically quite risky to rely on, but I don't think it can form the basis of any serious analysis.
How much does blizz pay you?
You do get paid for this right?
>blizzard sub counts are lower than ever per game
>"How much is blizzard paying you?"
moron alert.
Don’t tell me you do this for free…
You're doing it for free.
Laughing at your desperation to show your game isn’t dead dogshit is payment
Imagine being this upset over reality. You sound like a global warming denier or flat earther.
Unproved claims aren't reality. Cry about it.
Blizzard shills are so fricking lazy. I wish I paid to make such low effort shitposts like this.
Why do XIV cultists come into Blizzard threads? Is their game dead or something? I don't think XIV has shills because their sub counts are too low to support such marketing.
>I'm a XIV cultist now
That's it, keep following the deflection script. Don't own up to being wrong no matter what. Just retreat and mock and cover your tracks with game tribalism.
You are. See
>another post by another anon us now me because they disagreed with the blizzard shill too
I get the IP counter is gone, but this is still pathetic cope. Nobody has ever been convinced by the pathetic samegay accusation.
Thank you for consneeding. Another win for me
>check out this unsourced graph that’s been disproven multiple times!
>lol moron
>WHY U DENY REALITY, CHUD?
XIV has more subs lol
Oh my god, it's an XIV cultist. Why are they so mad that their game isn't as popular as WoW?
>an XIV
Doesn’t surprise me that the blizz shill is an ESL lol
That's proper English. "an ex eye vee"
Holy moly moron, Batman
Please be trolling
I know it's really "15", but everyone says "ex eye vee" when they see it instinctively because using roman numerals for numbers greater than 5 is stupid.
>I know it's really "15"
>15
of course the blizzdrone is incapable of beating the moron allegations
It honestly shows how little we care for your dead game if we can't even think of the correct number.
>irrefutably prove that you’re a moron who can’t read or write
>”well no one plays that game anyways”
The only good blizzard has done for society is give the tards their containment zone
>"ex eye vee"
>XIV
>literally the Roman numeral for 14
You fricking Black person
nobody plays ff41 except for literal troons
Literally obsessed
These are all the same person
>that’s been disproven multiple times!
source?
>Graph is fake
Because WoW players are rabid fricks who have sunk like 15+ years of their life into the game and can't bring themselves to stop
8 billion people in the world yet living isn't fun
Hmm...
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%2Fm%2F021dvx&hl=en
Blizzard remove real time player count, so don't believe a single lie from them. This is just cope for shareholders.
Isn't wow really popular in china? Like don't they actually have an issue with asiaticland bot farms?
wow completely stopped service in china because they fricked their deal with the distributor over there
How popular was wow in china to begin with? Wouldn't know cuz I've never played wow before lol
Popular enough that the Warcraft movie only made profit thanks to China, despite flopping in the west.
That's crazy, been playing MMOs for like 2 decades and I had no clue it was that big in chinkland. Though like I said I've never played wow so idk how bottable or exploitable that game is considering that's the main draw for 3rd worlders.
Quick question, by the way; Does Blizzard count the chinese method of subscription, aka time that ticks down as you play, as "active" accounts (for example say you pay for thirty hours and play for an hour a day, or fifteen hours for two days)? Swore it was mentioned somehwere they do
Ya. Not only do they count it, but they count it super dishonestly by treating any account with any gametime on it as a full sub, even inactive accounts with an hour left on it forever unused.
The newest cope from WoWbucks is that they didn’t count China which is just a blatant lie
You mean the country in which WoW is no longer sold and thus counts for 0 players.
Yes, which proves the graph is bullshit considering there’s no way they would reach back to legion levels without China
That's clearly false, because WoW doubled its sub counts just from Classic alone.
300k to 600k
Woah
4 million to 8 million as proven by the graph.
>This graph proves WoW is at 7mil
>how does it prove it?
>look at the graph
Oh I’m laffin. Why are you even still trying this? /wowg/ already admitted the graph was fake
Are you ESL? Is
hard to read?
You have no numbers. "Youtuber says" is not real numbers.
>"no numbers"
>literally a chart covered in numbers
Because most people don't play M+? It's like trying to judge Helldivers 2 player counts on how many people play Helldive difficulty.
a chart covered in numbers
that doesnt count tho
The numbers were literally extrapolated by a man whose job it is to make sure WoW looks good so he can keep his stupid job.
Stop dodging the question homosexual.
I don't give a shit what some Youtuber says.
WHERE ARE THE BLIZZARD NUMBERS?
>no numbers
One core feature of human intelligence is extrapolating from incomplete data.
>90% of subs were chink prepaid cards
>therefore an extremely generous estimate is 1 mil subs at legion's peak
>therefore wow has maybe 500k subs at the moment
>3.8 million sales on day1
>No, those people don't have a sub and plan on actually playing the game
it was bundled with GPUs, of course most of them didn't even try it out
>Source doesn't count
>MAU doesn't count as a sub
>Bobby is lying
>Waaaaah
Did i get them all?
You covered all the common WoWbuck responses, yes
Where are the numbers, numbnuts?
Oh so daily active users are calculated the same as MAU, so if some is playing the 4 versions of wow they count as 4 subs
Nice self-own LMFAO
Nobody is playing all versions of WoW.
>hmm i’ll make a character in classic/sod/wrath to try it
>actiblizz bundles it under the same sub and is counted as 4 separate DAU
I gotta admit, those israelites are pretty clever
As we all know, Vanilla WoW official servers launched in 2016.
wod and legion expansion sold the same amount of copies. mother fricker. they could be talking about revenue from wow tokens
So these are the numbers they talk about huh?
Okay nice joke, where are the real numbers?
Shareholder info doesn't count when it goes against your agenda?
A chart made by a redditor with no actual source. For all we know someone playing retail, classic, sod and wrath can be counted as 4 separate subs
>most people don’t do M+
Come on now
>M+ is the only content constantly pushed by blizzard now.
>ERHM NOT EVERYONE DOES THIS CONTENT!!
So blizzard flops another one? Out of this mysterious 10 mililililion bullshit number only 500k do that content shoved out by blizzard and E-Sported out by blizzard?
How sad.
I’m starting to think you’re actually genuine about this which is kinda sad, so I’ll ask, where’s the source? And why are weekly M+ completions at under 800k?
800k a week implies at most 500k players considering how it’s all anyone does anymore
It's almost as if not everyone does M+. And you are not counting the people playing SoD, era, HC and Wrath.
>not everyone does M+
True, but you do know that a large amount of people do multiple runs a week? Upwards of 10? And that’s just for one character.
If you played WoW you would know, but you clearly don’t
You mean sort of like how not everyone logs their M+ runs so lots of them are not tracked at all?
Ok so you don’t know a thing about what you are talking about. Got it, thanks for letting me know to not reply to you anymore.
Source?
Warcraft Movie was the largest grossing game movie prior to Mario. It did not get sequels because Blizzard had long been trying to lower its value.
I thought the WC movie was probably the best game to movie adaptation honestly. It fricked with the lore a little bit, but it was ultimately just a movie adaptation of Warcraft 1 with some extended lore.
the llane wrynn death was really stupid but thats to be expected I guess
They didn't make any sequels because Hollywood/Blizzard collab took 10 fricking years to make one mid movie.
Movie was fine considering it was what nobody wanted. Everyone wanted and still wants Arthas.
This Blizzard can easily make a movie about their RTS game. They sadly missed the ball for it as everything now is about 'muh woman empowerment'
>Arthas
Arthas is super dead and the books ruined him as a character to hell and back.
It was popular.
Blizzard did kick China last year.
It has an endgame unlike XIV
:3
Blizzard must really be scared of Dawntrail for them to be ramping up the blatant shilling this hard.
According to M+ numbers WoW is at 500k players at most, so I see why
Better than XIV *dabs*
*shoots you in the head*
It appears so.
Blessed filters. Put them up when XIV troons spammed this website daily
Based
>he’s already samegayging again
Brilliant
MINDBROKEN
>get called out
>m-mindbroken
It’s ok little buddy
Why do you believe their graph? The same company that can't even hold all their scandals but somehow you will take them at their word for this one thing? Please.
I would bet my bottom dollar those 7m are anyone that ever were subscribed for a single second any time in the last 5 years. The actual number of people actively paying for and playing the game right now probably isn't even a tenth of that.
I love to see it, and the cope and seething it produces
>cringeman shitbaby poster
>is a mentally ill troon
Pottery
Cope
Did I hit a nerve?
It isn't.
I know fools still trying to get me back into the game 15 years later.
It seems to be a lot of childish men who want to relive their glory years in wow.
News flash Jeff the game sucks ass now. I'm looking at you too Matthew, thinking your druid boomkin was ever any good when you were a shitty healer for most of your time playing.
They really want to believe that Blizzard can rise again when their train left years ago.
Nobody in this thread even plays WoW is the funny part. The people defending blizzard don’t even like it, this is just a troll campaign for laughs
This is probably true, I rarely see a genuine blizzard fan actually defend their company, they have been with it so long they have just learned to quietly take it up the ass
>his is just a troll campaign for laughs
You've not seen the way /vg/ spergs defend and run to Ganker to cry.
35 year olds that played the game when they were 15yo trapped playing the game FOREVER.
It isn't easy to escape WoW.
Once it gets its hook in you. It is incredibly tough to break free. Honestly, bad content is ultimately the only way to break the cycle. For me that was WoTLK. I think I was too young to realize back then that TBC was also bad. Replaying wow classic and wow classic tbc the difference was night and day. tbc had nothing to do but dailies and the weekly raid.
I kinda like the changes to crafting in DC and the next expansion seems interesting with how 3 of the 4 zones are underground.
Blizzard shilling has increased since they got pushback on the new battle.net terms of service that force you to waive your right to dispute arbitration and class action suits that you either must accept or permanently lose access to your account.
Lol is that really their updated terms of service?
I just started telling people a suit against Blizzard for not providing the service they were payed for via bans would be worth millions. You can absolutely decide who you provide service to but you can't still charge them for it. Why Blizzard is so fricked is that they have created a direct dollar value of their gold.
The second thing is that their censorship of ingame chat requires violating wiretapping law; which means anyone banned for that reason has a very easy settlement.
It's a /wowg/ fake campaign after the Graphgate meltdown about 24 hours ago.
They actually believe that Bellular, who pulled numbers out of his ass, is correct when it clearly shows that the graphs are clearly taken from Google Trends and the lines connect.
>Major sex scandal that causes many to embrace mob mentality and flee elsewhere.
>Company gets picked up by the 5th largest tech organization on the planet.
>The CEO is called the ideal personification of the American dream in court, making it legally binding.
>Documents reveal not only was WoW still doing great, it was easily carrying the Blizzard side of the company.
>Now graphs leak confirming that yes, the game's still doing great while the CEO everyone hated left with a golden parachute and the company they came to hate will never fold thanks to buyout.
That's the American dream, baby.
>game is doing great
It’s not but if you keep saying it maybe you’ll convince yourself
You seem upset
Again, did I hit a nerve?
It is, but it's mostly bots, farmers and tards that treat the game like second life and dump hundreds if not thousands of dollars for wow tokens to buy carries or to buy shop items
It's upsetting as frick I wish it was doing shit so Blizzard would just fricking die
5 million bots.....
2 million accounts people forgot to deactivate...
Wow players are really losing their minds right now.
this level of "WE'RE FINE!" reminds me of the deluded Lost Ark brazilian delusion posting.
Stats and numbers are easy to fake.
Holy grim
Surely Roland from Poland would never lie to me.
Goyvid, billions people got stuck in their house so of course they decided to play video games, also the reason why Gachas started dying during that period too.
If this were real they wouldn't be desperately asking people to come back
>lameass photoshop to try and verify this fake news
>final homosexual troons STILL melting down
if you keep saying it it must be true
Every time the numbers are posted, Ex Eye Vee is mentioned.
Yea, WoWtroons tend to obsess over it. Your point?
Nobody cares about Ex Eye Vee except its cultist following which loves to follow WoW.
Why did it mindbreak your players so hard they had to start calling it Other Game then?
Bro, nobody cares about Ex Eye Vee. It's a dead game and your attempts to spark discussion in it fail every time you bring it up.
>avoidant argument
Another win for me!
>the game you despise is thriving, and you're adding to its engagement by hatefully engaging in its threads
>whatever game it competes against that you love so much is dying
>"but I won the internet argument!"
Kek
Weird that XIV is doing better tho.
Don’t break your keyboard typing a response
if XIV was doing better than WoW don't you think Square would have mentioned their numbers? Any smart business would do this especially if you're trying to compete for top spot in a market.
>company has never once given their subscriber numbers
>THEM NOT SHOWING THEM IS PROOF THEY ARE FAILING
This is some exquisite cope
>Proof they are failing
But I never said that? You need some therapy if these are the scenarios you're making up in your head.
>avoids the argument to be disingenuous
Every time.
Another win for me LMAO
Yeah, looks like you need some wins in your pathetic life.
>gets BTFO
>w-well you must be sad irl!
So we’re projecting now? Please keep it up, I wanna know all about you!
>gets btfo
>continues screeching he won
its okay buddy maybe one day you'll win
>n-no you
Still going? Please! Dance monkey dance! Show me how mad you are!
Need to get the last reply in? Oh how pathetic you are.
Dance! Dance! Dance!
Yes, that is what you and your troon FC is doing in ff41 right now right?
go take your hrt and and stay in your ff41 containment threads
It’s literally what happened in EoD, they stopped because they plummeted
Still no numbers. Still no proof. Only edits on edits on cope.
Yeah, there are no numbers other than what Bellular came up with.
Lines fits well with google trends, but the numbers, only Blizzard knows.
It just fits.
I cannot get over how much damage WoD did to WoW. Every single vice Blizzard had got exacerbated.
look how easy it is to disprove the fricking chart with mere facts.
classic
because it sure isn't retail
>All these people in these threads who refuse to believe that World of Warcraft has this many subscribers
The unfortunate reality is that it's true. What people are missing though is that a subscriber is not an active player.
WoW has been shilling out "Exclusive" bonuses for purchasing lengthy subscription packages for ages at this point, and this is why their subscriber numbers stay high. A ton of morons purchase a 12 month subscription deal because of FOMO over some moronic looking mounts or cosmetics and then quit playing after a month, but they count as an active subscription for the entire year.
Basically Blizzard figured out how to make a lot of players who only count as an active subscriber for 1 or 2 months out of the year (People who sub to play an expansion and then quit) count as an active subscriber for 12 months of the year through these packages, and it works.
Also a reminder that they are earning much, much more money now, than they did at WoWs peak in wrath. Thank you whales.
Consider the following: It only says "subscriber" and not "paying subscriber". Any currently active account that has been subbed for one month at any point in time is counted as a subscriber, whether the owner is paying with actual money or using tokens for gametime.
If that was true, they would have 500million users.
That's bl*zzards own definition of a subscriber though. But you already knew that, because you have been camping these threads all day.
So why don't they say that?
Say what. Use your words anon. Say what you actually mean. You are (hopefully) not a toddler.
On the offchance that you were trying to say "why don't they say paying subscriber?", it's because being vague means they're technically not lying.
>Any currently active account that has been subbed for one month at any point in time is counted as a subscriber
>They have over 500 million of those so why don't they use those numbers?
>WAH DU U MEAN!???? I NO UNDERSTOOD
>mfw i'm arguing with an esl moron
Because they're not currently ACTIVE so they DO NOT fit the subscriber criteria.
So you are just making up random shit with numbers from your ass. Very believable. Now go rant about the moon landing or how we are all going to die from the vaccine next week.
I posted no numbers, and that's bl*zzards own definition of a subscriber. (You), on the other hand, pulled 500 million out of your own ass. Try again, Ranjeet.
>own definition of a subscriber.
Source me bro.
inb4
>hurr 10 mil
That article is from WoD.
So you just proved your own definition wrong. Good job moron.
I didn't. It doesn't say you have to be continually paying, just that you have to have paid a sub [once]. If it did, they couldn't count the token users as subscribers. Keep trying, Ranjeet.
So not only are you moronic, you also can't read 1st grade english.
>reeee pls keep giving me attention even though i have no arguments
Concession accepted.
It's corpospeak you bull fellating riceBlack person. Half truths and lying by omission is the name of the game. Anything to look good for the investors.
What argument? You litterally do not understand the basic fricking sentence you proved to "own me".
How the frick does one argue with a moronic Black person who doesn't even understand basic fricking language?
But yes. It's everyone elses fault and everyone is lying. You couldn't possible be wrong despite being unable to read at a 1st grader level.
So are all these people in denial about WoW numbers just ex players who got burned and now can't handle the very idea that some people might like something that they don't?
you have no numbers. you're all cope.
Blizztroons have actually resorted to scuffed photos of some illusive “subscriber graph” like it’s fricking Bigfoot or something into thinking their game ain’t dead
You can’t make this up
KEK ZIVVIES FRICKING STEAMING
Ah yes, the sourceless graph with no Y axis, no proof and coming from the company that lies about their MAU.
Move on from WoW
It's only sourceless when you actively go out of your way to ignore the source.
Youtuber isn't a source. Bring me real numbers from blizzard.
Show us the numbers on the y-axis.
Ah yes, a low quality photo from a korean website with no numbers from Microsoft, and no, bellular is not a source
>the only person putting these numbers out is Bellular
I refuse to believe WoW has numbers even approaching their old sub counts.
bots
All these cope post and still no numbers.
>/wowg/ going feral because Asmon is talking about sub counts right now
SoD is carrying the game hard
735 guilds are on 9/9
so only 0.245% are killing the final boss?
or are blizzard lying out their ass as usual
i wonder which mhmm
No you don't get it the game is totally alive even though 99% of people aren't doing the content
Without Chinese numbers, WOTLK which was the peak of the games popularity/subs was at 7.5 million.
So you're telling me that in 2024 the game is roughly just as popular outside of china as it was 15+ years ago?
You're dumb as a bag of bricks if you actually believe this
>just trust me bro
nonsense.
When did China get dumped?
At the start of 2023.
You clearly missed the point.
If you remove the ~5 million chinese subs from WOTLKs peak sub count, you're left with about 7.5 million world wide.
Chinese WoW shut down at the start of 2023, so any numbers of the current sub base is the worldwide (minus china) stats.
And according to the "new information", the current sub count is roughly 7.2 million, or only about 300,000 subs behind the worldwide (minus china) subs the game had at it's absolute peak of popularity.
>if you remove a made up number
frick off moron
???
What made up number?
Blizzard quite literally told us the breakdown of their sub numbers way the frick back when they were bragging about how the game was doing all the time, and at it's peak it was about 5 million chinese players and 7.5 million worldwide players.
Since you can no longer play WoW in china, that means the number of worldwide players is roughly the same now, 15 years later, as it was back during the peak of the games popularity when WOTLK was current.
This isn't rocket science anon, it's basic math.
>Blizzard quite literally told us the breakdown of their sub numbers
this is such an odd thing to lie about
And obviously with many more people playing games now than 15 years ago. Surely Wrath, the peak of WoW, could never attract a lot of players.
That hardly affected the sub counts based on the graph in
of course not, the days of padding the numbers with chinese prepaid cards was long gone
>WTH, are you telling me a game has more players in a larger market, just because it's cheaper and has no competition?
>no competition
XIV has more players tho? I’m confused
A lot of Chinese players play on the Taiwan server
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbLj9QP9FAaHs_647QckGtg/community?lb=UgkxcviwcQSPpaTT4c3cJnSi3GNQ1gX8MBNz
Retail. It's always retail. WOW IS BACK BABYEEEEEE
>How is this possible?
The latest expansion is pasable, hell, even I'm playing it right now and have subscribed for 4 months already.
>/wowg/ losing their mind right now
Does it really count when they have to add up all the subs of classic and its derivatives to those of retail to reach a similar amount to their older expansions?
>another "defend ActiBlizz for hours and hours and hours and hours and hours" thread
cool
Guess people really like the end game, seemed shit like me and lots of vocal people agreed so I thought the game was dying.
Do you wow players really like all that sensory overload that comes from raiding? I could not withstand looking at it on video so I will not even attempt to play it.
>7.5mil
>under 800k M+ runs done in a week
Interesting how no one is pointing this blatant inconsistency out
>Everyone must do M+ or else they're not playing the game right!
Holy cope.
Only 5000 people got Gladiator rank, so that must be the actual player count!
I thought it was a widely known fact that retail is a joke, a festering corpse propped up by being bolted to the classic sub
Wow (and to a lesser extent XIV) are the only real MMO games in town.
>XIV
>real mmo
So going to nightclubs where everyone is a troon an MMO?
So going to Goldshire and taking horse wiener up the ass is an MMO?
lmao, everyone laugh at this bootyblasted troon
inb4 some cope about XIV while trying to ignore that WoW and goldshire made ERP common knowledge even outside the MMO sphere
>Decide to ERP
>Go to GS to ERP
>Want to play the game now
>Play the game M+
Now we do FFXIV
>Want to play the game
>PF is barren because no one does content on my DC
>However there are still coomshit ERP ads in PF
>Have to travel to another DC just to play the game
WoW wins.
>want to do M+
>not playing meta class
>denied
>denied
>denied
>denied
>want to play content on XIV
>you play the content
XIV wins
>play content on XIV
>you fall asleep
Even your director Yoshi P said the gameplay puts him to sleep.
The troonys that make the RP mods built a report function directly into them several years ago. You would lose your account doing that now.
>IS THAT THE HECKIN WHOLESOME UNINSTALLAFELL!? MY GOD THIS GETS ME SO WET, I NEED TO DILATE. I CRY EVERYTIME
>ESLs trying to educate on how to properly pronounce Roman Numerals
I mean I'm not surprised considering one sub gives you access to what, 4 different versions of the game. So even if you're only playing one of them you still count towards a single sub total.
>So even if you're only playing one of them you still count towards a single sub total.
And if you're playing all 4 you count as 4 subs, because that's how Blizzard counts their players.
>And if you're playing all 4 you count as 4 subs
I don't think that's true. One sub gives you access to them all. If I pay for a sub because I want to play SoD, I could also play Dragonflight with that sub if I wanted to (which I don't, but I could)
If you play Diablo 4, Overwatch, WoW, and Starcraft 2 all within the same month you count as 4 different monthly active users.
If you play WoW, WoW Classic, WoW SOD, and whatever the third one is WoW Classic WOTLK or something I'm guessing, you count as not only 4 MAUs but also 4 subs.
It's been this way for years. They're incredibly shady in how they report their user numbers.
>If you play WoW, WoW Classic, WoW SOD, and whatever the third one is WoW Classic WOTLK or something I'm guessing, you count as not only 4 MAU
Sure is lucky the numbers is from 2016, when there was only 1 version of the game.
What?
another
>troons crying over wow sub numbers
thread
>Troons
> When WoW is in the most trooned out state imaginable
>FF41 literally has an egg hatching holiday
Yup, smells like copium
And the people crying the most about WoW is ex wow players.
Well yeah obviously. More people have played WoW and quit than have ever been subbed to the game even at its peak.
FFXIV has more players than WoW.
This isn’t even arguable, nobody knows what WoW is anymore. Meanwhile people talk about XIV constantly and it is constantly winning awards and good praise.
>ITS C-CONSTANTLY WINNING AWARDS CHUD
>PEOPLE LOVE FF41 JUST WAIT
Eunuch rage, I love it
Why are you replying to yourself
Please take your meds schizo, and not the gender transitioning ones
Why are you replying to yourself?
I think your hrt is causing you to repeat yourself, call your handler
because they overplayed their hand in killing their own game to push players in another direction and now they're scrambling to recapture players and investors
typical israelite shit
What do sub counts matter when the world is dead and all your content is in instances with a handful of other people?
The higher the number, the more the tards seethe. The more the tards seethe, the more entertainment from watching them embarrass themselves for everyone else.
>all this shitflinging between WoW and FFXIV
Come home, Ganker. Play a real MMO!
Join the....maybe 30k players, we're never quite sure, that call it home.
>30k players
it's just 10 players and their multiboxing alts.
Yeah, in highsec mining. You gotta go to nullbear territory to find the actual players.
>pls bro go to blob central bro pls bro i swear it will be fun bro pls the goons are gone bro pls bro i swear bro we're tired of scrimming titans bro pls bro
I tried playing this over a decade ago, lost my start ship and uninstalled
All these eunuch tears because sub numbers were higher than the troons thought, amazing
Multiple flavours of WoW to bot in
I don't believe this simply because when WoW had 7+ millions subs it was an unironic cultural phenomenon and literally every single person was either playing it, or knew multiple people playing it, and that is absoloutely not the case at this point
The world population has increased a little bit since then.
Then there's also the bot accounts.
They could have picked a reasonable lie and got away with it, but they have to go overboard.
>lol wow has under 100k subs
>lol wow has under 1 mil subs
>lol wow has under 7mil subs
>lol wow subs are just bots
you are here
>lol wow has under 100k subs
we are actually still here
>if I say it enough then its true despite real evidence
mindbroken eunuch
>lol wow subs are just bots
thats been the case for years
them selling boosts in classic only made it more blatant
>n-no you’re the ones getting embarrassed
Man they sure are weird
>Everything Blizzard has done for nearly a decade has been a disaster
>Entire company replaced with new (lesser talented) hires
>Huge shift in the mmo landscape in 2019-2020
>Lost players during covid by some miracle of ineptitude
Classic surely brought back a lot of terminally addicted customers but judging by the server pops they didn't stick around. If they did have 7 million subs you can be sure they wouldn't "leak" it via an unmarked anonymous graph, 1.7m seems more likely a number with the bulk of that being classic.
BLizzard didn't realse the actual sub number, that moron bellular is speculating
>Random numbers from my ass is more likely
Lost cause.
Yeah exactly, these are random numbers out of someones ass.
Post the server list and let's see how many are full lmao.
>point out that the pro-XIV spammer and the anti-XIV spammer are the same person
>suddenly they both vanish
Subtle
ff41 is trash and youre a schizo
At least make your samegay trolling subtle
>stockholm syndrome
>sunk cost fallacy
The only reason to even play WoW anymore is if you're a sweaty minmaxxing raider. The game showed casuals the door years ago, and then begged them to come back with Classic's marketing, only for them to again be shown the door by the sweaty minmaxxers who took over Classic.
There's no helping it, that's the game Blizzard made. All it has is raiding. It's insane how much content they've made to be utterly disposable and how they took out progression (the second most satisfying thing about MMOs aside from social interaction) except for the very last step, which is raiding current content for gear.
It used to be that you could start a new character and have a great time going from the starting zone, to early dungeons, to different zones doing group quests and crafting to get incrementally better gear. It all took time so each new piece and level felt meaningful.
Then WotLK introduced heirlooms and then they nerfed experience to be something like a quarter of what was originally needed and you essentially just skip all the way to the end because it's the only thing that matters.
It's miserable to play.
Bliz should take all the old content/assets from WoW and make a series of Diablo 2 like single player/coop focused games. Would be a fun way to go back to old WoW content.
I personally just think they should have focused on ensuring zones were still useful after players had finished leveling/questing in them. Gathering, crafting, and stuff like OSRS's Slayer or XIV's Hunts should have been copied.
Reminder how difficult it is for a new player to start playing retail
the retail gear upgrade system and crafting system are actually impenetrable, holy shit what a moronic design
Ultimately the problem is that sweaty endgame raiding made for a very specific audience is all the game has.
Once upon a time this was considered the most casual game in the genre. That hasn't been the case for a long time.
because it's fun and some people don't like e-girl shota insert weeb term underaged anime girls
>reach 300 posts
>suddenly everyone abandons thread
So reaching 300 posts is the threshold to get paid I assume?
baldman is watching bellular's video right now and wow fanboys are eager to hear his opinion about numbers
XIV really mindbroke WoWbabies didn’t it?
Nah. They where broken long before that.
I have a hard time those ff41 eunuchs mindbroke anything except themselves
Pathetic
Yes, ff41 eunuchs are pathetic, hows your fruity little farm going bud?
how is your trans voice actor getting on?
they never recovered from knowing that they failed to killed the game back in 2016
It really did.
So how will the WoW playerbase react when these numbers are confirmed to be wrong? They are celebrating like they won the Super Bowl right now
I don’t know but wake me up when it gets confirmed, I’d like to see the meltdown
FF41 lost
I wonder what the top selling game on steam today is, it's not WoW unfortunately.
>brings up steam
mindbroken
China exists
WoW doesn't exist in China (officially)
How many FF41 troons are going to run off a cliff because of this?
These are all the same person btw
How many times do I need to tell you to take your meds?
ITT: troony fantasy copium on levels we have not seen in quite a while
Its glorious, they literally have nothing left
Total wow victory
Wasn't a pc player until 2013. Never played wow.
Did I miss anything?
The good years of WoW zoom zoom.
WoW in it's hayday was a really cool and unique experience but many people ended up trading their chances of financial and social success for experiencing top notch GAYMER KINO.
so if you have either of those now, no you didn't miss out.
you missed out on playing a dogshit game with a bunch of normalgays
>game is objectively worse than its ever been and nobody discusses it anywhere
Yet somehow I'm expected to believe it has 6 million subs
You mean like how Fortnite and LoL is discussed here all the time? Guess those games are also fake and nobody plays them.
Ganker is the normie gamer consensus anon
>normie gamer consensus
That would make those games even more popular here than everywhere else.
Sorry, was being sarcastic
The posters here are just spergs
Nah it's not just spergs. There are also lots of incels, anti social manchilds and edgelord children.
Only thing most people here have in common is being hyper contrarian and dumb as a rock, while thinking themselves smarter than the rest of the world.
bots and fake numbers they have no obligation to not lie.
>they have no obligation to not lie.
They quite litterally do when talking to their actual costumers.
yeah that's why they don't show shareholders fake graphs like this
>hit 5 PM pacific
>thread instantly dies
what the frick
Asmon made Bellular's wow subs count video as a joke and /wowg/ is on meltdown right now
those numbers are not factual, prove me wrong
the truth can't be proven wrong
Sunk cost fallacy.
Cause it's at least 2 diff games if not 3 being counted.
And Chinese people still play even tho banned in China or w.e. Chinese VPN every game in existence
SoD. Classic. Retail. That's why plunderstorm was added its just about excuses to make u sub. With all of these teams tho it doesn't mean profits are also high. You need to update and maintain 3 versions of ur game and all of the revenue is shared. Still nothing on their peak when 50 dollar expansions were dropping every 2 years and selling 20 million each plus sub on top.. though they did say one store mount was more profitable than an entire starcraft game so blizz drones are just moronic. Will never drop the game and continue to be milked dry.
I had an irl friend have a fricking realization as if an illusion broke when he got into BG3. He was just saying "I could have played other kino all this time". Tbf he is a normie and just assumed wow was the only game he'd ever enjoy I guess.
asmongold said
>the chart shows subscribers
but
>belluar used the 2019 statement from the financial support saying legion it had a slightly overperformed wod
belluar thinks it means it overperformed subscribers, but we know it meant expansion sales numbers, because it is clearly not saying subscribers in any sense
>well how do you know it means expansion sales
because wod sold 3.3m and legion sold 3.3m, if bellaur thinks 250k extra subscribers are "slightly overperformed" then hes a moronic mother fricker.
my mmo that i just finished today has 10 million
get rekt blizzard!
I can make up numbers too
NOOOO my mmo is bigger and better than yours
your mmo is dead
It could have 700million players, a shit game is a shit game. It blows me away people are still playing this shit ten years after it's hey-day. This is beyond crack addition.
Bots and bugmen.
Also Blizzard is known for lying through their teeth.
>"don't worry there'll be overwatch pve like we promised"
>proceeds to not develop it at all, opting for skins and other cash shop slop
>"don't worry we'll be listening to fans when developing next time"
>proceeds to make expansions that cater to people who don't play video games
>we re-established the relationship with our players
What does this mean, I mean I know it's corporate speak but what is the lie that they're pushing to make this claim?
>WoW has 100 million billion subs!!!!
>stats show only 1-2 million active characters at level cap
bro you don't understand there are like 5 million RPers who don't buy expansions
That extra 5 million are all doing SSF Hardcore no you can't talk to them
the other 5 million subscribers go to another school you wouldn't know her
REAL MMOS ARENT AFRAID TO SHOW NUMBERS
YOUR MOVE, WORLD OF WARCRAFT
I want to believe in Barry
>still no explanation for how the CN sub change totally didn't effect the subscriber count between WoD and Legion
>WoWBlack folk still totally believe CN wasn't counted in the official sub counts released from 2005-2015
>even though the subscriber definition specifically calls out prepaid cards and game rooms
I will accept this chart when anyone can adequately explain why none of that could throw off the moronic mick's numbers. Note that Irish people are commonly understood to be alcoholic morons.
it is impossible for me to go anywhere on the internet where people are talking about games and not see a frickton of people with avatars of their ff14 character, or fanart of some ff14 character. i have never playedit, but i know who emet selch is and graha tia is because there is so much fan art of that shit everywhere that you can't not see it. it is literally everywhere.
i have never in my life seen anyone's wow character or fan art of a wow character outside of random sfm porn on /gif/. there is no way it has anything emotely remotely close to the number of players.
Sounds like a (You) problem. Stop frequenting troony places like twatter or /xiv/ and it will disappear.
You have to be kidding yourself if you don't think WoW art/porn is incredibly pervasive. I haven't even played WoW in over a decade and I still get a daily dose of horsewiener futa draenei and belf/nelf bimbos.
WoW has a lot of WoW-only players. FF14 has 14 in the fricking title, it's an entry in a long running series that will attract people who have played other games in that franchise and games adjacent to the franchise. WoW has kind of always just been WoW and it's fricking huge but it doesn't reach outside its own bubble anymore.
For me its "MSQ" that shit has invaded every gaming community and I never saw it pre-2021
Stockholm Syndrome + Sunk Cost Fallacy
Nu-Blizzard subhumans lying in their presentation. Nothing else to see here. Anything in that dashed cube is expectations, basicly delusions on their side.