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i mean, yes, but not for the reasons you're thinking
>caring about MMO story
I like how WoW has indoctrinated zoomers into thinking RPGs shouldn't have stories.
hi FF14 tard
wow is bad not for the story, but because it is an absolute dogshit boring game
t. has never done anything more challenging than heroic raids
that sounds boring af, idk what you're trying to prove
>Wow only still exists because its end-game group content is it's only redeeming quality
>"people who enjoy the end game group content ruined the game"
What the frick else is there to do in the game? Do you just stand around your capital cities in your troonymog on the mount you farmed a 6 year old raid for?
I don't play the game anymore explicitly because there was nothing to do in the game beyond raidlogging.
There was only so much you could do after you beat the game, which is move on to something else
>modern WoW raidbrain.
>MMO
>Only content anyone does of consequence is instanced content
classic/classic tbc proved that the whole "man there used to be so much more to wow outside of raiding/instances" was a complete fricking larp. Literally no one cares about anything else other than gear/rating - the social aspect of that i.e. guilds and getting groups together is just in service of that end goal.
I agree, WoW is beyond redemption because of its player-base. As I eluded too previously. What is your point?
Mythic raiding and M+ are in no way boring. The rest of wow is boring, but only because it exists to facility them. It's the same way a line for a rollercoaster is going to be boring.
Its all boring bro and a complete waste of time. Losing encounters cause one or two people goof is really stupid. Rather just play single player shit where I'm in control.
They've made mythic raiding unironically too hard. So many guilds are failing to fill their rosters.
Honestly, ya they did. Don’t even want a get gud response. Imagine doing mythic content without addons, is it even physically possible? If not, then it’s too hard. Also some of the mythic fights are just not fricking fun. The heroic versions are more enjoyable
M+ is moronic. Infinitely scaling content is pointless and always will be.
The gameplay is fun though - it gives skilled players a means to push themselves to the limit, which is inherently satisfying.
It's a hamster wheel
The only thing wrong with M+, much like with literally everything else in WoW, is the community. Shitzard turning it into an esport for no reason meant everyone and their mother started to act like they're on the """""""""""""pro""""""""""""" level. Raider.io and everyone being mandated to copy the theory crafted most efficient routes at any given patch has made pugging even mid-level keys a nightmare. If you don't have a dedicated group of friends to do it with, then I can completely understand thinking it's hot garbage atm.
eww boring raids
>if its challenging then its fun
Raidtards are cancer upon this game. Maybe if it didn't require a sub you might've had a point but people are paying $15 to raidlog.
No pretty sure it's bad for the story and because devs don't do QoL changes that matter
Ah yes, Eye of the Beholder and Wizardry were famous for their stories.
You're absolutely right, they were not famous at all lol
I get your point, but wow also started with no story. In fact, the current model of an expansion-long "cohesive" narrative didn't start until MoP, and even then it only kicked in half way through.
Each expansion had overarching plots, usually with a subplot that's resolved in early or mid expansion raids.
>TBC
Legion, sub plot illidans forces.
>Wrath
Lich king, sub plot yogg saron, sub-sub plot malygos
>Cata
Deathwing and old gods, subplot ragnaros invading hyjal
>MoP
Faction war, subplot zandalari shenanigans, subplot that tied in to main plot at the end sha gettin loose
>WoD
Iron horde, wound up being the subplot when the expansion was cut short, legion ascended from subplot to main
>legion
Legion main plot, nightborn subplot, draenai shit sub subplot brought back at the end
>BFA
Planet fricked by sword no wait I mean faction war no wait I mean old gods let's pretend we never mentioned planet fricked by sword, subplot trolls getting two raids this time
>Shadowlands
???
I'm not denying they had plots before MoP, but prior to Throne of Thunder, or maybe even SoO, there wasn't the modern core narrative that cohesively moves through the entire expansion and actually creates a story. Modern wow has the first raid be directly related to the levelling story in some way, and then that raid ends with something that will tie it directly into the next patch, and then that patch's content and raid end's directly tying it to the next patch, and so on.
Before Mop, you just did a bunch of raids that were sort of related to the general theme of the expansion before you did the last one with the big bad in it.
>there wasn't the modern core narrative that cohesively moves through the entire expansion and actually creates a story
You're describing a movie, not a video games.
>the absolute state of wowcucks
Actually brain damaged.
You're supposed to play video games. If you're not pressing buttons, you're watching a movie.
>t. never once read a single quest text in his entire life
This is completely wrong but I literally don't have time to explain why it is. TBC and wotlk was set up in warcraft 3. Only cata and mists were made Ina vacuum
You are the zoomer.
bro, I just like the part of the game where I kill bosses inside an instance with my friends and get some purple loot, that's it.
What's the point in playing the game then?
...the game?
>the only reason i play the game is for the 3% of the content i like at the very end
lmao. no one plays games like this except mmo morons.
No that's how all games should be. Don't tell me you've been inspired by video game stories, please. Try reading books, you'll be surprised.
>No that's how all games should be.
No, the whole game should be good, not just 3% of it. How did you not know that?
You know what I meant, I'm saying gameplay is what matters and that story doesn't matter.
>gameplay is what matters
true, that's why only morons play MMOs
>You know what I meant
I had no idea what you meant, because I can't read your mind, so I responded to what you said.
>I'm saying gameplay is what matters and that story doesn't matter.
Both matter in an RPG, obviously. If you want a genre where story doesn't matter you should play Mario or some shit.
It didn't
holy shit the wowbuck seethe replies to this lmao stealing this one
Playing WoW unironically makes you forget what a video game is like.
When I played FFXIV for the first time and heard music that wasn’t just forgettable ambient noise, music that actually makes you feel something, music that dynamically changes depending on what happens on screen I was like “Oh yeah… I remember this. This is supposed to happen in a video game.”
>He likes distracting music
lmao stupid ff andy
Leave the cave anon. There’s more to video games than the shadows of systems on the wall.
What are you even talking about, wows music lives in your head rent fricking free
>stormwind theme
>orgrimmar theme
>eleynn forest
>dun morogh
>shadowfang keep
>searing gorge
To name a few
>stormwind theme
>pandaria inn theme
10/10 music
Rent
Free
WoW hasn't produced any memorable music since at LEAST MoP, and arguably since Wrath. The music that's been in the game since is just forgettable trash, and the OST merely survives off reusing the same old music over and over, just recycling what they already have instead of making anything new and good. More or less a microcosm of the entire game, really.
>he never flew back to oribos with the sound turned on
>he never stood in any of the covenant inner sanctum
>literally all of zereth mortise
Shit on blizzards game design all you want but the audio has always been on point
Nah, that’s just one of the copes WoW players tell themselves because they don’t know that out there, in other MMOs or in general video games.
It’s like how people always praise the art team despite them producing shitty palette swaps, mobs with recycled rigs and uninspired assets at a snail’s pace.
>le music bad because I say so
That's not how it works you little queer, all the examples I gave shit on any outdoor music in ff14
If you actually think WoWs OST post MoP is superior to ANY game, you are a brain damaged addict that never plays anything but WoW.
Wow nice opinions, too bad you can't come up with any examples of better ambient music
Boralus music is objectively good and superior to a lot of other games. Seethe more
>music that actually makes you feel something
The trumpets from the night cycle make me feel a feel Anon.
Why are XIV trannies so mentally deranged?
It's just a music ffs
>and heard music that wasn’t just forgettable ambient noise, music that actually makes you feel something
FFXIV players have the most basic b***h taste in music of all time lmao. Every song is based around some childishly simplistic "lul so catchy" riff that is scientifically designed to get stuck in your head. It's composed with the same general philosophy as shitty top 40 music.
Embarrassing cope
For one, just pay any decent game released in the last decade and you’ll find better music than in WoW
Second
>the music is designed to be catchy and memorable - AND THAT’S A BAD THING
>>the music is designed to be catchy and memorable - AND THAT’S A BAD THING
Anon, the FF14 community had an onions freak out over the most bland trip hop track I've ever heard (amh araeng day theme). No one in this community has any idea how bad the quality of the music is because it's literally designed to appeal to morons.
ffxiv music is indeed lowest common denominator music. there's a reason they make the melodies so childishly simplistic. it's like how moronic people think the sweet child of mine riff is interesting.
I dare you to stand by that after listening to these
>actually trying to engage with the “it’s good so it’s bad” defense
oh no no no no
>“it’s good so it’s bad” defense
no one made that argument though.
Yeah, you put a little pretentious hipster spin on it
>he's illiterate
Pretty much what I expected.
Instead of posting links, can you explain in your own words why these tracks are good without using entirely subjective buzzwords like "memorable"?
Christ, the hokey pokey song is catchy and memorable, that doesn't mean it's good.
Sure, I can explain.
Flow is a song of Venat speaking to the Warrior of Light directly because of the way it starts "my brave little spark", in which she shows the love she has for you and the people of Etheirys. The hopes she has for you, the regrets she holds for putting the people of Etheirys in suffering, and the burden she carries as a Mother of this world and defeating meteion. She wants to communicate that life will find a course to hope in whatever comes tommorrow.
Sure buddy, now listen to this:
This game music is among the greatest in vidya.
Are all FFXIV players as delusional as you?
>no argument
lmao nice cope, now post a better song than the ones that have been posted you little amateur troll
Here's another one just because:
It's not like you've made an argument, you've just posted links to songs we've already heard.
As opposed to your argument which is…. uh…. huh.
>Implying wow ever had music that was just forgettable ambient noise
Holy fricking zoomer shit c**t
Wow has gone to shit for so many reasons and has always been flawed, but the music was never bad. Bite your fricking tongue
FFXIV players are literally too stupid to remember melodies that have even a modicum of complexity. John Coltrane would literally make their brains melt.
nobody mentioned that game?
schizo
I’ve played WoW on and off since vanilla and can count the number of memorable tracks that are memorable for their own sake and not because I’ve been hearing them a million times on one hand.
Your personal inability to remember music isn't an actual measurement of its quality. It just means you probably have an extremely underdeveloped understanding of composition. You've probably never even pressed a piano key before.
It’s more like you don’t understand what video game music is supposed to do. It’s supposed to enhance the experience. It’s the current year and it’s become harder and harder to justify static music in games, which is what most of WoW is. Wowbrains are shocked by the idea that video game music should align with what is happening on screen - something that has been standard in video games for at least a decade.
You know, like how when you start as a human and you walk into Stormwind, the music swells at the start just as you’re walking through the valley of heroes. That’s a crafted moment. WoW doesn’t really do that because they don’t really use dynamic music in general. It’s outdated and anyone defending it displays their limited understanding of video games.
>It’s supposed to enhance the experience.
And?
>static music in games
Define "static" music.
>Wowbrains are shocked by the idea that video game music should align with what is happening on screen
In what way does WoW music not allign with what's happening on the screen?
>they don’t really use dynamic music in general
Define "dynamic" music.
>It’s outdated
What's outdated? You've barely explained what the frick you even mean.
Open a dictionary Black person.
I'm asking you to define it in your own words and explain how it applies to the topic at hand. How is FFXIV music "dynamic" and how is WoW music "static"?
>In video games, adaptive music (also called dynamic or interactive music) is background music whose volume, rhythm or tune changes in response to specific events in the game.
>wowbrains talking about video games while not actually knowing anything about them
>In video games, adaptive music (also called dynamic or interactive music) is background music whose volume, rhythm or tune changes in response to specific events in the game.
This happens in WoW all the time though. Literally watch any of the cutscenes.
Are you trolling me? Your example is cutscenes, aka the part where you don’t play the game?
aka exactly the same as what the music's trying to do?
Literally what are you trying to say?
cutscene designed to make you feel something is the same as music designed to make you feel something
if the gameplay is good you should be feeling whatever it is you play the game to feel without the need for the music to manipulate you into doing so independent of the gameplay
it shouldn't be possible to distinguish between when the music is on and when it's off in a good game
if you notice that at all you're not playing a (good) game, you're watching a movie
That’s the most moronic shit I’ve read all day.
Why even engage with a multimedia medium if you so blatantly disregard the connection between its elements, how they can enhance and guide one another?
>aka the part where you don’t play the game?
When does the music change during gameplay in FFXIV? I can only recall it ever changing when I moved from one area to another area, which is also exactly what happens in WoW.
When you enter combat
When you enter fates
When you enter special dates
When a boss changes phases, lined up with my music transitions
That’s why it’s called dynamic.
You haven't played WoW since TBC
I wish, would have spared me the shitshow of BfA and shadowlands
>When you enter combat
>When you enter fates
Ah, right, I forgot how jarring and annoying it was when combat music started, so I turned that off at the beginning. I turned off mount music pretty early on too.
imagine needing the music to tell you how to feel while playing a fricking video game
I've played FFXIV and I didn't hear anything different in how the music is presented compared to WoW
Actually dead.
Or more likely, didn’t actually play the game. It takes a single second of combat to notice “hey the music changed because now I’m fighting”
Wait you mean how the game has combat music and idle music or when the boss changes phases the music changes as well?
Please tell me you mean something else
>but the music was never bad
b***h they laid off the composer ages ago, wow music is even shitier now
What's wrong with a dissonant orchestral track for a boss fight?
Nah son, just because you spent an unhealthy amount of time in the zones and had the music physically bored into your brain doesn't make it memorable, this is what Warcraft music used to sound like, this shit grips you on your first hearing and doesn't let go
For most WoW tracks you have to spend dozens of minutes listening to soft droning notes before you come to something even resembling a melody, and even then it's not memorable or hummable
the orc theme is much better tho
Hard to call it better when they're all 10/10, the human theme has that swelling climax moment, and the orc theme has the choir and the harpsichord
>just because you spent an unhealthy amount of time in the zones and had the music physically bored into your brain doesn't make it memorable
You don't get to decide what music is memorable for other people you complete moron.
nah all the wc2 music is memorable, none of the wow music is. just like none of the music in media is memorable anymore, it's all deliberately made to be as soulless and forgettable as possible
> all the wc2 music is memorable, none of the wow music is
>none of the music in media is memorable anymore
Again, you don't get to decide what music other people find memorable.
I do, it's been literally proven hearing a song over and over makes it feel familiar to people and as a result better than it actually is and that's why record labels buy up all the radio and public speaker space to play their new hits on a loop and forcibly make them stick, a song you like the first time you hear it is objectively more memorable and impactful than the one it took you dozens of listens to get warmed up to. So your perspective of someone who has heard the music for hundreds of thousands of hours is biased and not representative of its actual quality or memorability.
>I do
Of course you don't.
> it's been literally proven hearing a song over and over makes it feel familiar to people
What does that have to do with anything? I could use this same terrible argument to handwave away the fact that you think FFXIV music is memorable.
>Of course you don't.
I do, I just did.
>What does that have to do with anything?
It refutes the central point of your argument.
>same terrible argument to handwave away the fact that you think FFXIV music is memorable
I'm not that anon, I'm saying the WoW music is a downgrade from Warcraft 3 music which in turn was a downgrade from the Warcraft 2 music
>I do, I just did.
You didn't, obviously.
>It refutes the central point of your argument.
It doesn't. You decided exactly how and why someone else was able to remember a track, entirley on your own. You can't read minds, of course, so it's impossible for you to actually know such a thing.
>You didn't, obviously.
Nope, I did.
>You decided exactly how and why someone else was able to remember a track, entirley on your own
You told me, you said WoW has gone to shit meaning you are aware of that information meaning you have played it enough to witness it go from good to bad, which means you've played it a lot, which means you have heard the music a lot. Meanwhile I haven't played WoW but I have listened to the OST in isolation, and since nothing stuck with me, we can safely conclude the only reason it stuck with you is the constant repeated exposure as in my argument.
>You told me, you said WoW has gone to shit meaning you are aware of that information meaning you have played it enough to witness it go from good to bad, which means you've played it a lot, which means you have heard the music a lot.
Hearing the music a lot doesn't mean it isn't memorable, obviously. There's no necesary connection between the former and the latter.
>Meanwhile I haven't played WoW but I have listened to the OST in isolation, and since nothing stuck with me, we can safely conclude the only reason it stuck with you is the constant repeated exposure as in my argument.
The conclusion I made is that you're too stupid to remember music that uses anything beyond braindead looping 12 bar melodies.
And you are objectively wrong
>We’ve all heard a song on the radio or in the supermarket that we can’t escape. We might even hate the song the first dozen times we hear it, but a few weeks later we find ourselves singing along or maybe even giving in and buying the song.
https://www.bsomusic.org/stories/the-power-of-musical-repetition/
This doesn't demonstrate what you said at all, though. Nothing in this study substantiates your claim that the music wasn't memorable to begin with.
Deboonkd
>if people listen to music a lot they might start liking it
okay, where does it say that no one liked the track? why was it getting radio play if no one liked it until it played 100000 times?
Money moron
where did the money come from if no one liked the track?
Turns out record labels have more than one track
Where does it say in the study that no one liked the track until it played 10000 times? That was the claim that you made. Why haven't you substantiated it?
meant for
>if music isn't immediately accessible by the lowest common denominator it means it's not memorable
FFXIV players lmao.
>For most WoW tracks you have to spend dozens of minutes listening to soft droning notes before you come to something even resembling a melody
yeah because it's a game where you're playing for hours upon hours at a time. why would you want to listen to the same 2 minute pop loop for hours?
Not my problem the gameplay is not conducive to good music, I'm talking about the music in a vacuum
>comparing 16 bit tunes to orchestral minimalism
at least use one of the actual themes
The fact that it's orchestral minimalism is the problem in the first place
>wowgays will never ever ever have a moment half so kino
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But listening to the Stormwind theme for 20,000 hours totally makes up for it, I'm sure.
Fricking gotten em
It's a MMO you moron, you can't treat it as a single player game
What does that have to do with anything?
Play Dota, LoL, or SC2 then
oh wait that's right, you morons can't PvP
>Story in an MMO we'll be skipping that
>youtube comments
you're fricking desperate for (You)s
The only fault with wow's story is they left a little too much room for interpretation, so pseudo-intellectuals like in OPs pic develop their own stupid headcanons and then get assmad about it when in reality the only purpose the "narrative" has and will ever serve is to give a backdrop for why the current raid and bosses have a certain colour palette
I've barely played wow but all I see is a homosexual who gets off on making people apologize on the internet
WoW should've been gatekept way harder so these idiots never got into it
Gatekeeping doesn't really exist. Not the way you think. If a corporation wants more money, they're going to jump on the "gaming is for everyone" bandwagon. The only ones who end up getting kicked out and gatekept are the original players and original fans
this guy is the ultimate moron
>makes reference that orcs are black
>everyone shits on them because its not true
>now makes reference that orcs are mongolian
fricking hell, is there anything that he can do right? Warcraft Orcs are turkish, not mongolian, literally look on wowpedia for 1 fricking seconds, its all so tiresome, to be fair he was pretty close with that one tho.
why are all people who get offended on behalf of others most of the time racist idiots that dont even know what culture they are supposed to reference
orcs are literally supposed to be mongols though, fricking hell they are called the HORDE
>orcs are literally supposed to be mongols though
>Orcs are largely based upon Balkan and West Asian (particularly Turkish) mythologies,
to be fair, theres not much difference between pre islamic turkish and mongolian, but "hord" comes from the old turkic word ordu, meaning army.
The main difference between old turkish and mongolian culture was always the overrepresentation of wolves in mythology and religion, which orc definitely also have.
>Orcs are largely based upon Balkan and West Asian (particularly Turkish) mythologies
Source: https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Orc
The dude in the OP pic also is the author of that shit on the wiki you useless morons
Then that moron should remember what he wrote I guess lol
an another note,
How can you be such a moron and say that the "mongolian type" (Orc), together with the afrocarribean (darkspear troll) and nativeamerican (tauren) conquered "europe" (Eastern Kingdoms), when in reality in wc1 and wc2 the Orcs were manipulated by the demon(burning legion) and by the time both the darkspears and tauren joined the horde in wc3, they didnt want to "conquer" anything anymore but to settle to kalimdor and live in peace?
What a fricking bozo, he cant even remember all that shit when he managas a fricking wiki
He's an unironic black supremacist orthodox christian schizophrenic bi-polar bi-sexual, yes really. No memes, no exaggeration, that's his personal twitter profile. He's a fricking lunatic and it's dreadful that people like him are even editing the wiki.
His irl twitter is something else
https://twitter.com/MozarabMohan
Also pic related is what he looks like
The prick is so far up his own ass he probably never even played wc 1-3
It's significantly worse than that - he remembers what he wrote but he's a political zealot. He ignores what he wrote and knows in order to push his ideology. Look into his twitter profile - one of those "ends justify the means" ideologies
You know that the dude in the OP wrote that shit on the wiki right?
When they say they are based on Turks they mean the turko mongol horde. It's important that we clarify that it's mongols, not Turks.
it's a minor distinction but they aren't remotely Turkish. They are based on Mongolian horde culture.
Yeah I meant pre islamic turkic people, particular tatars/kipchak who were members of the golden Horde and its succesor, the Crimean Khanate
basically they are based on the post genghis khan golden horde
There is nothing Balkan related about the Horde. They are ancestor worshipers which makes them closer to native americans together with the Tauren.
Balkan nations, but more generally eastern europe used to be ruled by an ancient nomadic culture known as the Scythians. They were similar nomadic hunter gatherers who fiercely defended their lands. This was in the roman times. They were bad ass.
Can't be that bad ass when they're all dead lol
I swear to Christ Ganker has become filled with mouth breathing idiots. This must be summergays or something, I've never seen more brains dead comments in 1 thread
Orcs are Germanic barbarians THOUGH
Germans were never nomadic. The horde uses yurts and is based on tribal steppe culture. There really isn't any German representation in warcraft, you're better off looking at Warhammer. In total war the entire human empire is based on the Holy Roman Empire German lands.
>Uses yurts
>Most of their languages are based on mongols
>Worship wolves
>Literally started shamanism off mongols
>REEEEEEE STOP THEY ARR ALIENS IN FANTASY >:(
everything is based on something in real life anon
the orcish runes are based on the turkic orchon valley runes tho
I know its basically hair splitting if Orcs are mongolian or turkic, but mongolians never worshipped wolves as much as the turkic people did, which for me is a clear indications they are supposed to be more turkic than mongolian
Good point. I only vaguely remember that there were fascist parties in modern turkey called the grey wolves. But of way you're saying is true, then wolves represent something more in Turkey. Neat, I'm glad I learned something today
Oh let me explain then
Literally every single mythology is based upon wolves in Turkic people
>in mythology the first turk to be ever born was rised up by wolves, who had 10 kids who made the 10 different turkic clans in that time
>in mythology a turkic clan was trapped inside the Ergenekon valley and a grey wolf showed them a way out
>it is believed that the word "turk" comes from ancient chinese that meant the word "wolfmen", the chinese named them like that because turks were prideful people in large nomadic groups that would attack chinese villages on every full moon night
>the main god in the turkish tengrism shamanism beside tengri was also Asena, the blue mannered she wolf, who was only worshipped by the turkic, not by the mongols
pic related, modern pendant with tengrism symbols in turkey, "tengri biz menen" being a famous quote meaning "tengri with us", a wolfhead and runes that means translated "turk"
forgot the pic lol
Theres only 1 clan that "worships" wolves out of like a dozen, not to mention that none of this shit is referenced ingame
Turk cope.
and that "clan" is the leader of all the clans, just like in east Turkestan, the Ashinas were the leader of the other 9 clans who worshipped wolves too
>The way the Frostwolf clan became the foremost leader of the Orcs resembles how the Ashina clan, which claims descent and ties to wolves, ruled over various Turkic empires. Likewise, the spirit of the great wolf in Orcish myth resembles the spirit of the gray wolf Asena.
>source: https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Orc
Black person, the homosexual in the OP literally wrote that shit on the wiki you fricking sperg, and none of it is true.
The frostwolf clan befriended the Wolves, they don't revere them. Holy shit you might aswell link Romulus and Remus to the Orcs lmfao.
he is one of the editors
and he clearly has never played wc1 and wc2 either given that he references both darkspear trolls and tauren in "azeroth conquest" when in reality they only joined the orcs in wc3, were they stopped conquering and wanted to live in peace
>some turks worshipped a mutt who impregnated a wolf, this must mean that the Orcs are turks!
holy shit what am I reading here. Frostwolves aren't even the most dominant clan within the Horde, it's mostly Warsong + remnants of the Burning Blade, the Shattered Hand, the Blackrocks and the Bleeding Hollow clan.
The Frostwolves don't even want to be part of the Horde anymore in Cataclysm because Garrosh le bad!
>holy shit what am I reading here. Frostwolves aren't even the most dominant clan within the Horde
they literally are since wc3 with Thrall
Thrall's main bulk army was Grommash his raiding party. The Frostwolves were near extinction because even the clans within the Horde tried to kill them off. Its only key pieces that survived was Thrall, Drek'thar and Nazgrel.
The Frostwolves never took the fel so they were ostracized and used as canon fodder, then Gul'dan tried to wipe them out completely after he usurped the Horde when Orgrim fell.
The most dominant clan in Thrall's horde were the Warsong, which pre-WoD retcons were not particularly wolfy at all.
and they still had wolves as amounts even in wc1 with raiders being wolf riders
its literally the same as the turkestan khanate where the leader clan, the ashina clan, was the ones most connected with wolves.
Nice moving of them goalposts there my man. Your concession is accepted and this argument is over.
The Frostwolf clan is not the foremost leader of the Orcs, never was.
What is this spaztic autism. There's a clear reference to history and you're splitting hairs about in-game differences.
>There's a clear reference to history
There isn't.
>Same architecture
>Same writing
>Same language
>Same shamanist religion
>Same lifestyle
>Wolves are major in Turkic hordes
>Wolves are the mounts for orcs and a tribe are named after wolves
Got anything to dispute this?
>>Same architecture
>>Same writing
>>Same language
>>Same shamanist religion
>>Same lifestyle
These are all false. The orcs from day 1 had proper cities and strongholds they built themselves and never used yurts, the writing system is completely different, ditto what passes for the orcish "language". Shamanism was present in loads of cultures, none of which were turkic, and the orcs, as a reminder, WEREN'T NOMADS.
are major in Turkic hordes
are the mounts for orcs and a tribe are named after wolves
This is relevant how? Horses feature in loads of cultures as religious icons. And WC humans use horses as mounts. Does that mean they're based on those real life cultures now, you daft c**t?
>This is relevant how? Horses feature in loads of cultures as religious icons. And WC humans use horses as mounts. Does that mean they're based on those real life cultures now, you daft c**t?
Do human have on their Altar of Storm (were they summon and worship their heroes) 2 orcs beside a orc?
Wolves are way more than just random animels they befriend for orcs.
also Im using the reforged model, the normal classic one also had the wolves on it, but with way less details
>Got anything to dispute this?
Architecture isnt true
Writing isn't true
Language isn't true
Literally every primal society had some form of shamanism
Lifestyle isn't true
Turks never mounted direwolves
Direwolves are an European thing
Germanics had 2 tribes named after wolves, wulfling and hundling clan
Cope roach
did g*rmans used these kind of helmets?
there are way more references, but Im tired of discussing with someone who provides 0 sources or anything for their claims while I do
not a goalpost, everything I post is with a source
Orcs drifted away from.the mongol setting with wc3 and adapted more things from proto germanics
nice goalpost moving lmao
and no, thjey actually moved in more to tengrism shamanism after being demon b***hes in wc1/wc2
the reason why I say turkic shamanism instead of generic viking shamanism is because of
for me it feels like you are a seething german because he heard of the word turk and now associate it with ones in turkey, when turkic are far more widespread, especially in the pre islamic days
also Im a tatar and not a turk lmao
>There's a clear reference to history
Okay. Where?
Really cool. Nomadic tribes are some of the coolest Mysteries of history, they always had the most flavor, the coolest stories. It's a shake they never wrote down much which leaves them in obscurity. But the Turkic, cossacks and Scythian tribes are great reads.
>Germans were never nomadic
The Orcs aren't nomadic either
>muh german kingdoms
you know aswell as me that Germans were forestBlack folk during the roman empire, and since the ogres are literally that in Warcraft, it be common sense to assume the Orcs are inspired by proto germans and indo europeans
>Orcs aren't nomadic either
Yes they are. All of their architecture suggests it. All of their people live around Kodos. It's a shit video game and doesn't show them moving around but they live off grazing animals.
Warcraft very clearly isn't set in a Roman era. Gilneas was 18th century Britain.
Germany isn't known for their barbarians, if hey are please give me a standard motif that German Barbarians used that's distinct. Celts used blue tattoos with spirals. Scandinavian Vikings had their runes (and horns which isn't accurate but whatever)
What do German Barbarians have? And how do orcs fit them?
The German barbarians had Roman armor they took from their kills. Other than that I don't think the gulls had anything
> All of their people live around Kodos
only in wc3 and onwards, in wc1 and wc2 they lived off the cliffhoffs (which are just hairy kodos that live in dreanor lol, lazy writing)
>All of their architecture suggests it
Their strongholds?
They had no yurts either.
>Warcraft very clearly isn't set in a Roman era
Are you fricking moronic? Their INFLUENCE is in the game. The Ogres literally have a colloseum and have military Roman titles like Centurion.
>Germany isn't known for their barbarians, if hey are please give me a standard motif that German Barbarians used that's distinct
The Romans reference Germannia as Barbarian territory stupid Black person
only ancient ogres are based upon roman
orcs are, based upon turkic/mongolian types, their buildings in wc3 and pre wotlk are looking like yurts, they have clear shamanistic tengrism religion, their entire system being based upon honor and being easily enraged
their runes looking nearly 1:1 identical to the turkic runes found in the orchon valley
I would say the most clear similarity is the worshipping of wolves, turkic shamans wearing wolf heads, same as the orc shaman
pic related, left side a turkic shaman, right side a orc shaman HD version from Warcraft 3
>their entire system being based upon honor and being easily enraged
Thats how caesar described the Germanics.
Orcs don't worship Wolves, they just befriended them.
see
See
see
he didnt write anything alone, and its also clear he didnt write that section considering he obviously never played wc1/wc2 but that article has tons of references to that
>Germany isn't known for their barbarians
Guess you missed a pretty big section of both ancient history as well as 20th century history. The word hun was literally used as the primary insult against Germans in WW1 for the perceived barbarism.
The interesting! I like how you back up your posts with a good fact. I can see why calling Germans barbarians would be insulting.
Infact I know how the media pretends Hitler wanted expeditions to find ancient history but in reality Hitler called them off because he hated ancient German culture for basically habin mudhuts and stone tools while the Mediterranean and middle East had created timeless structures.
That's basically my point. I know Germany had barbarians but they are NOT marketed anywhere. The UK and french and Canadians like their Celtic roots and got in touch with their aesthetic, same with Scandis, but I seriously don't know any German barbarian motifs. It's actually interesting how the French are more interested in creating art about the Gauls than Germans.
So either Germany doesn't care or doesn't like their older history. Either way I struggle to find any representation for them
Every orc building is a yurt. It was only in garroshs rule that they added steel. Even then most buildings are yurts: round leather tents.
>Ogres
What does that have to do with orcs
>Every orc building is a yurt
Orcs had strongholds in WC1. Shut up homosexual.
>ogres
Germanic clans rivaled with romans
Same as orcs and ogres.
Are you underage. You type like one.
Mongols also had strongholds and forts but common buildings were yurts. There's even a famous castle in Dagestan that was owned by a Mongol king. Horses weren't averse to using long standing buildings so that doesn't discount anything
are ogres being romans a post warcraft 3 invention or are they generic coliseums? Having a coliseum doesn't automatically make something roman moron
Only race with yurts ingame are pic related
Ogres also use ranks as Legionnaire and Centurion you daft c**t.
>Only race to use yurts
That's just fricking wrong holy shit just stop posting you fricking moronic child lmao. Tauren use yurts! Orcs use yurts. Tauren are clearly indigenous Americans. Orcs are based on Turkic mongols. Centaur are based off east mongol from the golden horde. Everyone in the barrens is a Nomad based on history.
Just shut the frick up already you fricking stupid homosexual
>dude any tent set up is a yurt omg!
not him, and tauren use tipis, not yurts but posting a wojack face isnt an argument either
>>Uses yurts
>>Most of their languages are based on mongols
Neither of these is in any way true.
>Worship wolves
They don't, and wolves cropped up in so many different cultures as mythical objects of worship that even if WC orcs did worship them it wouldn't be a link to Mongols.
>Literally started shamanism off mongols
And again, completely false, as tribal shamanism are literally as old as the human race.
en conclusion: moron
moron, how many references do you need? Look at my pic, on the left its a medieval turko-mongolian helmet, on the other side you have a warcraft 1 grunt sketch made by chris metzen, the warcraft 2 cover art and a portrait of a warcraft 3 grunt
they all wear near the same helmet but with spikes
I swear to Christ you morons are just baiting at this point. I can only guess you only ignore every post explaining why because you hate modern day Turkey. Let's be frank, you don't want orcs to be based off turkic mongols because you think that makes them islamic, but that's not what we're even remotely suggesting. They're a horde based off the mongols and the barrens are a steppe region where only nomads thrive. That's all. We've already given examples, you're just being facetious fricking homosexuals by ignoring them and continuously asking again and again.
I'm tired of fricking children ruining Ganker threads.
Nice schizo blogpost, Deniz. How's the weather in Berlin this time of year?
Hey underage moron do you have anything to say that's relevant or are you just here to shitpost.
Yea, how about I think your head-canon that the blizzard devs on the original warcraft games and wow based orcs on your favourite historical people group is fricking moronic and all the similarities or symbolism you've identified is complete horseshit? They had a race of big tribalistic orcs and, like in every single fricking fantasy setting with orcs, designed all their architecture and clothing around being tribalistic. They make shit out of rocks and wood with big spikes because MUH SAVAGE STRENGTH, and they wear wolf skins because MUH SHAMANISM. It's that superficial.
Even tolkien said that orcs were based on their savage mongolian types and not some "random people"
>squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, with wide mouths and slant eyes: in fact degraded and repulsive versions of the (to Europeans) least lovely Mongol-types.
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tolkien_and_race
I don't give a shit what Tolkein said moron this isn't the LotR online this is fricking world of warcraft. Warcraft orcs are as far removed as you can get from Tolkein orcs. You find me a single warcraft dev siting turkic mongols as their inspiration for their orcs and i'll shut up.
This
is pretty fricking cut and dry
>uuuuuuuhhhhh the turkic mongols liked wolfs and so did the frostwolf shamans so uuuuuuuuuh the frostwolves are clearly based off of the turkic mongols look here is a pendant with a wolf on it and some runes
How do you not get that this isn't evidence, it's just you drawing parallels and assuming they are related.
Ok so what are the orcs based on.
>Just because they used this exact culture as a baseline and the orcs have everything the Turkic mongols have doesn't mean they are based on them omg
Ok moron lmao
>Ok moron lmao
Metzen literally stated Thrall was a mix of Spartacus (thracian) and Thor (Norse Germanic).
Thats so Mongolic!
Source? Where's your source? You based it off 1 name but that's superficial you stupid fricking homosexual, there's plenty of slaves in history, where's your source? You have 2 superficial references but that's superficial lmao
Metzen said at Blizzcon 2010 that Thrall was like Thor
Pic related
Cope redditBlack persontroony
>Definitely an inspiration
Thor is a character written with many inspirations. But where did Thor or Spartacus unite their tribes and create a horde?
They dress the same, they all exist in a tribe. No other nation ever called themselves a fricking horde before. Thor and Spartacus didn't lead a nation living in leather tents, Thor and Spartacus didn't lead a nation that has no agriculture but instead lived off migratory cattle in a barren flat plains region. Thor and Spartacus didn't didn't use shamanism where the elements and ancestors are worshiped.
Thor was a son of Odin. Spartacus was a general who died in a coliseum.
Thrall and ganghis were both slaves who rose to become leaders and United their tribes.
And before your homosexual reply. No these are not superficial references. I don't need an interview to confirm shit. When things are this cut and dry.
>Spartacus
>unite their tribes
>and create a horde
Are you fricking kidding me right?
Spartacus DIDNT, moron
>American education everyone.
I wonder how long will it take till he realizes its 2 people and not only 1 refuting every single point he has (outside of the thrall one tho, which clearly is a point for him, but 1 person = entire culture of a race lmao in his small brain)
cope
https://web.archive.org/web/20180419191522/https://twitter.com/ChrisMetzen/status/984877198547943425
Dumb troony
Ywnbaw
>How is Thrall the hero that uses the Doomhammer that uses lightning magic and storm strike and name starts with a TH
>How is he similar to Thor
Lmao
funny how you can't post metzen saying they are based on turkic mongols because he never said that and so now you're resorting to "uuuuh it's just so obvious bro!"
I can't find every creators interview citing all their inspirations and their thought process but that doesn't discount the facts here.
see
the creators citing turkic mongols as an inspiration is the only fact that would prove you right and you don't have it.
Chris Metzin himself. He started in orcs vs humans.
You can clearly see the comparison of thrall and Genghis Khan
>Both started as slaves with no land or titles
>Fought and earned honour
>United their tribes into 1 horde
Thrall is a Scandinavian word for slave, and sure there are many different cultures in orcs to add more flavor, but they are unquestionably mongol hordes.
Post metzen saying/writing they were based on/inspired by turkic mongols. Some variation on "we based the orcs on a tribal culture" =/= the orcs are based on this one specific real world people group
>is fricking moronic and all the similarities or symbolism you've identified is complete horseshit?
Why? What's the problem? Superficial? Literally everything about orcs in warcraft are Turkic mongols. You're not offering any counter points you're just shitposting insults because you're mad for some reason. Maybe calm the frick down autist. Basically every video game race uses a real world equivalent, you'd have to be ignorant of history and moronic out of spite to keep arguing for nothing
have a nice day
The counter point is that they aren't based off of turkic mongols and you have zero evidence to suggest they do other than positing it based on some superficial parallels you've noticed, like how they wear wolf skin.
What are they based on, what is the main inspiration for orcs then.
Fantasy shamanic tribal orcs. Big, burley, green, savage, war-like, often dim witted, and venerate strength, spirits, and the land/nature. Your classic fantasy race that rivalled against high fantasy humans. Literally done to death. You associating this with some real world people group is entirely your own opinion based on zero real evidence. They could be equally inspired by any historical tribalistic people group, you've just singled out turkic mongols because they are more obscure of a reference and you think it makes you seem smarter/more learned for making the connection.
Sounds like you're seething for not understanding the reference until now.
We've given evidence. These motifs are direct references. Saying it's superficial association is just ignorant handwaving. You have no argument to suggest otherwise other than arguing in circles.
I can only assume you're upset because you just don't like the culture the orcs reference.
It's superficial until you can show me a warcraft dev saying/showing the orc design and art is based on turkic mongols. And before the inevitable homosexual reply, no, I don't have to prove they didn't. YOU have the burden of proof for making the claim.
oh nice, you answering him basically confirms what I said here
literally seething german that gets angry because he heard the word "turk" and just argues for the sake of arguing
get some actual facts or stop being a bitter tard
I also have way more pictures for you to seethe about
pic related: Erlik Khan, one of the gods in Tengrism and main gods of the Seljuks and later Ottomans, he looks pretty similar, dont you think?
A picture of a Tatar warrior on a Horse
not really related to anything, but I want to make the g*rman seeth even more
I knew as soon as the word Turk entered the thread there would be a bunch of culture war autists entering and shitposting for no fricking reason. The fact that if you're living in a NATO country you're allied with modern day Turkey, but these literal backwash brained morons from /misc/ larpas crusaders that want to go to war with turkey for some deus cult shit.
Anyway, tell us more about Turkic nomad culture, is there a revival of that culture in Turkey or do you have more stories from that era?
>is there a revival of that culture in Turkey or do you have more stories from that era?
there was with the grey wolves, they use that as a reason why kurds are not supposed to be in turkey, which really dont like, using history as a reason to start some ethnic war is just dumb
I also really like the music in that time, this one is one of my favourite turkic songs
Its about Batyr Khan(Osman Islambayuly Batur), an old turkic war hero from the Altai Clan, who in ww2 stopped the chinese bugmen in east Russia and made sure that its russian territories instead of chinese
pic not really related, its a Cuman warrior, a turkic nomadic clan that came to europe right before of the genghis khan invasion, they seeked shelter from him and allied with east european kingdoms, you can see Cumans in Kingdom come delivance as main enemies and as a civ in Age of Empires 2 (the elite steppe lancer having the same mask as the picture)
Everyone's angry at you because Ganker thinks orcs = black people and they will not allow anything to challenge their self-made world.
>Orcs are Germanic barbarians THOUGH
This is some mental gymnastics done by western orcshills. There isn't anything remotely about orcs being germanic.
>Warcraft Orcs are turkish
Warcraft Orcs are fricking space aliens from another dimension brought over here by a magical gateway.
Stop trying to attribute real world analogies to shit that is the way it is because it was created in the 90s when the rule of cool reigned supreme.
Dood inspiration don't real
I don't get why people like those ITT try to deny that these games have racist underpinnings - of course they do, that's why people like them.
Probably because virtue signaling homosexuals see anything that is a obvious parallel/based on a real world culture and they scream racist.
So the other morons, instead of trying to argue with the aforementioned homosexuals (which is impossible), just try to counter with another equally moronic take
Nobody gives a frick if you're racist to mongols. Also American educated means most morons don't know the cultural references.
only americans find it racist
Im a tatar which together with the mongolians the orcs are based upon and I find it cool as frick
especially since the orc culture are nearly 1:1 representation to pre islamic turkic culture
That's the most annoying shit to me. The fact that white Americans confuse representation/inspiration for appropriation. People love to see their culture in media, speedy Gonzales was a childhood favorite in mexico and one day Disney suddenly thought "OH NO WHAY IF ITS RACIST" so they got rid of it. The mexico rooted because it was GOOD and speedy represented mexico to kids. Disney brought it back but I seriously doubt they learned any lesson.
I took marketing in college and at some point they're the people who decide what's racist and what's not. Most are just incapable of critical thinking.
The orcs kicked ass pre-wow. They were even the good guys in the first warcraft. The orc ending is the real ending, hence wc2 being made.
Its just that racist is an ultra vague term that connects vastly different things.
But when you use the term it automatically conflates absolutely normal and benign behaviours with lynchings and genocide.
It's Marxism 101. Make up a word and shame your political enemies so the masses hate them
Drawing inspiration from real life cultures is not racist though?
>like x culture
>put x culture in my game
how is that racist? racist would be not put them because I hate them
Everything is racist to you pigheades Americans I can't wait for your country to collapse, death to the west
This, it's like complaining about digital violence, the whole point is getting to work out urges without any consequences. It's ridiculous that fictional racism is taken more seriously than fictional murder lol.
What a poorly written, pseudy comment.
Hate how they always include the implicit threats too.
>my homosexual head Canon is the only truth because it lives rent free in my head. Like the first post said. It will never be good, but not for the reasons you're thinking
Oh my fricking god, nobody cares about what historical ethnicity the god damn orcs are based on, you miserable Tolkien purists.
Shut the frick up American. History and culture is important to people that actually have a culture older than 70 years. read a fricking book
Maybe you should read a book, because the United States had at least 245 years of culture. It seems like they don't teach world history in your shit hole country.
American culture only started after you settled west in 1840, before that America was literally just religious freaks and campers from Europe.
Regardless, America has nothing built older than 100 years. How can you claim America has 200 years of culture from that.
Normans. Orc was an Anglo-Saxon word meaning something like demon or evil monster. Obviously the aesthetic and culture are not based on Normans, but the name is.
You're also a Black person if you don't realise there are multiple cultural and historic inspirations for many of the factions. Garrosh is clearly meant to be Hitler, even as the Orcs in general have a Hunnish/Mongolian vibe, with Thrall being the 'rebellious smart Black person slave' trope (his first incarnation anyway, that character is flat out moronic and bloated after w3).
>Garrosh is clearly meant to be Hitler
wtf I love Hitler now?
It won't ever be good again, because the devs are shit at their job on Blizz.
First of all, its a fantasy world with its own lore, applying real world history doesn't work. They just used loose, relatable stereotypes to create races.
Secondly, love the FFXIVgays in the thread shilling their dogshit MSQ which is so bad and boring that 75% of players quit the game rather than slog through hundreds of hours of poorly written jap shit with anime stuffed into it and who think british voices = good medieval fantasy
Holy frick WoW had the japs beat on VA 20 years ago. Remember a few months back when the FFXIVtroons were getting excited about 'finally' having voiced bosses in their game
What. a. joke.
Even if the modern story is bad, WoW will always have 20 years of amazing story, lore and worldbuilding.
>WoW will always have 20 years of amazing story, lore and worldbuilding.
Green Moses self-insert.
It made sense
As much as I hate the Green Jesus arc, wows voice acting is so consistently good even from the very beginning that even the cheesiest of lines still live in your head rent fricking free
>YOU FACE JARAXXUS, EREDAR LORD OF THE BURNING LEGION!!!!!
>AKAMA... YOUR DUPLICITY IS HARDLY SURPRISING...
>CHAMPION, AZEROTHS WOOOONS!!!!
CHAMPYUN! AZEROTH NEEDS YER CREDIT CARD DETAILS TAE BUY MORE AZERITE!
Unironically rent fricking free
What other vidya VA's are like that, the only one from a different game that comes to me off the top of my head is halo 2 Sgt Johnson
>20 years
It's like smoking 2 packs of menthols every day for 18 years. You know you should have stopped a long time ago
>Even if the modern story is bad, WoW will always have 20 years of amazing story, lore and worldbuilding.
Modern story is so bad it's eroded and diluted all the old story/lore. It's like Star Trek, I no longer enjoy TNG or Deep Space Nine knowing what I know of the future story, the new shows ruin the whole franchise. Just like Shadowlands did, it ruined the whole Warcraft story.
>Remember a few months back when the FFXIVtroons were getting excited about 'finally' having voiced bosses in their game
Been in the game since ARR.
Oh please. I'm watching TNG literally right now for the first time. It's some of the greatest television I've ever watched. It's more fun to look at Picard as some morons fanfiction. Watching red letter media tear Picard apart is satisfying enough.
>Even if the modern story is bad, WoW will always have 20 years of amazing story, lore and worldbuilding.
(You)
>'finally' having voiced bosses in their game
wow is so bad that your cope is voice acting
this is also just factually incorrect
All good warcraft lore happened before WoW
I still can't believe they killed my favorite orc in wc3. Rip Grom Hellscream.
It's a good thing he's dead so he doesn't see the shit show this pathetic game has become.
He sounded better in WC2
Is he confusing the WC3 orcs for the DnD orcs or something? Because literally only the alternative universe Warsong in WoD are in any way based on mongols/huns.
the way this guy used the word "lest" is completely incorrect and outs him as a midwit pseud
What the ever living frick are they even saying?
Also if there's still any ff14 players trying to act smug thinking they have good VA, I came here to dab on you all the way from over a decade ago
The only good thing that's been put into WoW for years.
stop being a homosexual
No.
This is too real, blood elves are so homosexual that I can only accept this as actual WoW canon
FFXIV really broke Barrys mind, it seems.
Not because of this, but yes WoW is fundamentally fricked because of the setting.
Blizzard is pretending that they're writing a cold war between two TITANIC SUPERPOWERS, when in reality the Horde should be a few refugees desperately trying to build a settlement.
The frick is he saying?
>Those tweets
Warcraft just sucks dick in general aside from Arthas' morality in WC3 and monster coomer shit like the Naga and Tauren.
Good guy dragons is cool
The elemental lords and planes are cool
Yogg saron was cool
The thunder king and dinos everywhere was cool
All the troll empires are cool
Dalaran is cool
Kharazan is cool
Outland is cool
Lots of stuff in warcraft is cool
Not that anon but until armor is it's own separate 3D model your character wears rather than being painted as part of your character's skin, WoW is always gonna look hideous to me.
what the frick is this dude saying? Can someone translate it to english?
Make a white girl the queen of all the alliance and have every story arc stop talk about how special she is. Like, I mean the queen of all the races of the alliance. Maybe make another white girl queen of the horde as well.
Boom, Fascist fantasy is suddenly acceptable.
But we had that, her name was anduin
it was never good to begin with
Retail is being ran by ian, a man who daid muru was mathematically impossible to beat. Yet here we are beating him unpatched.
People said the same thing about heroic al'akir
Uhhh moron? You got the pre nerf muuru in BC classic. It doesn’t have knock-back on casting.
Also double moron: the mathematically impossible meme came from pre nerf Cthun not Muuru.
Genuine moron.
>be some mutt shitposter
>make low effort race bait tweets all day
>absolute fricking morons on Ganker repost your shit over and over again and seethe in 500+ post threads
fricking pathetic, Gankereddit
>orcs depicted as lion cloth axe wielding barbarians bare chested
>germanics were depicted like that countless times
>orcs just like to raid and kill shit cuz muh honor
>caesar described germanics exactly like snow Black folk, that they just wanted to pillage and fight and honoring their ancestors, never cared about money
>turkmutt in thread: wolves wolves wolves!!!
turko mongolian are literally RAIDERS the civilization tho, they lived in the steppe, which outside of cotton and horses and other animals had nothing in there, so they were nomadic people who raided 24/7 in order to thrive and be able to eat vegetables and grain
and as a german you should know how much turks shout about "muh honor" like cmon lol
Germanics literally raided the Romans 24/7 wtf are you talking about Black person
Did the Mongols and Turks even use axes in a fight?
were depicted like that countless times
Where? When?
>Blizzard is buying the development studio responsible for magical battle royale Spellbreak, Proletariat, and moving their staff over to work on World Of Warcraft. The purveyors of all things Azeroth confirmed the buyout in a statement to VentureBeat. News of the acquisition comes just a day after Spellbreak’s imminent demise was revealed by Proletariat on the game’s website.
You will play the fricking C team expansions, you will stay subbed, AND YOU WILL SUB TO ASMONGOLD.
Stupid ff andies, stop seething at wow. Dragonflight is about to make your game look like shit, and it will be the MMO king once again.
They just bough a 100 men studio to make even MORE wow content, endwalker is about to be shit on into oblivion once I ride my dragon mount all day long.
LETS GO DRAGON SISTERS LETS GO
female turkic archer in traditional armor
She can hit my heart whenever she wants.
This gives me both an errection and a fuzzy warm feeling in my heart
Would pollute my bloodline foR/10
While the g*rman is still seething, Im gonna post more turkic things
>orcs
>archers
lol
lmao
turkmutt proves himself wrong
Orcs are also riding wolves, I dont know any humans civilization that did that either, its called inspiration, not copying
nobody ever said that thrall wasnt inspired by thrall, I know this may come shocking for your g*rman brain, but an entire race like orcs can have multiple references and inspiration and not only from 1 culture
but I give you that, I posted around 10 sources for my references, you did one, so lets call it a 10:1 then, shall we?
Tengrism gods
What the living frick is wrong with kubali legs?
>sixth floor of the sky
orks tongue my anus
a tengrism shaman performing a ritual
That reminds me of that fricker from Banner Saga, the kinda sort of bard who insulted people.
>turkish notionalist BEGGING for people to think his people are a fantasy race known for being moronic and animalistic
You can't make this shit up
>g'rman cuck not being able to read, while turkic =/= turkish
ofcourse
orc are turkish?
now i have to pay for a race change,i shoudlnt have opened this thread
>Ancient turkey is the same as modern day Turkey
>Ancient spartans are the same as modern Greeks
>Ancient Romans are the same as Italians
Whatever you want to say about Islam or byzantine or ottomans has nothing to do with Turkic mongol culture. It's practically different people entirely.
in relation to orcs, it's just a cultural baseline. Orcs aren't Islamic, just like how nomads aren't Islamic.
Americans are absolutely insane.
The moment I read fascist, I check out. Doesn't matter who's saying it.
Why make this moronic thread again? The only part that actually makes sense is the second part of
>20 years of disastrous narrative choices
>10 years of narrative malice
That has made the story a moronic meme.
Every history class I've taken portrayed the Mongol empire as militaristic and genocidal. Sounds pretty fascist to me but since they're not white and live in huts that must meant they're misunderstood anarchists or something.
What a pretentious fricking post
I can’t even understand what that freak is screaming about
Blizzdrones have genuine Stockholm syndrome at this point.
Look guys when the discussion has entered the “individually quoting sentences because addressing the central points is a pain “ phase, it’s time to tap out.
just listen to the schizo and delete wow blizztroonys
>Can't comprehend anything outside of identity politics
>Even has to frame moronic fantasy games within identity politics
Why don't they write a metaphor for getting some b***hes or touching some grass