Returning rewards aren't huge but if you only got to T6 you barely played the game. You'd get the Warspite, a few weeks of premium time and some credits and flags, maybe some supercontainers.
What is so fricking hard about staying alive. Every player has a keyboard with WASD keys, why is it their brains seem to turn off during combat and they refuse to maneuver even the slightest of amounts?
>The entire line has always been bad
not really, the tier 9 and 10 were always horrible because of their gun angles, the bismarck was always pretty good
No, afaik it isnt touched ever. But it was always a meh bb.
I think it's the other tier 8 battleships that were changed, the NC and Amagi I vaguely recall having above-waterline citadels, like the Iowa definitely used to.
this
the only ships that carry in ranked are DDs - if you win and you play not in a DD that means either that your dds were better or the enemy ones just sucked
2 years ago
Anonymous
Most of the dd's I've seen in ranked tend to be the ones that play like they are in random battles and suicide in the first 2 min. If anything they are nothing but a hindrance to every team they are on
2 years ago
Anonymous
Then explain how I got 72% last season playing only BBs, Black person
2 years ago
Anonymous
you got carried by your dds or their dds, if you rly think having no radar, not being the class that caps etc be the main part of why you won i dunno what to tell you
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're the kind of shitter who thinks MM is somehow against them and only them. Every single class can carry if played right.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>he thinks BBs carry
meds?
2 years ago
Anonymous
every class can make a significant contribution but the ceiling of a bb vs dd is vastly lower
2 years ago
Anonymous
Meh would rather have a cv then a dd in ranked.
2 years ago
Anonymous
disagree, DDs can certainly carry, but the only ships that can carry consistently are cruisers, since you have far more control over how much damage you deal and what happens to you in a cruiser game
>Due to Transformers camo's and a shit load of xp flags I blow through the Ranger grind in 2 days >Get Lexington >First battle is t10 >Get sniped from half way across the map >Look at mini map afterwards and see every single bb on my team is hiding behind me allowing dd's to just stroll along a spot
I swear its like every time players reach a new tier they become even dumber then before.
How do I beat bbs in a moskva in brawl? I can beat other cruisers, dds, and sometimes Cvs pretty easily but idk what to do with BBs. Staying nose in does the most damage but they always outlast me with hp
>incapacitate several main battery mounts in one game >notice I have an available campaign mission to incapacitate or destroy 15 main battery mounts >equip mission >haven’t disabled a single main battery mount in the last 14 games despite intentionally aiming for them now
Been like that for me for the past few days with the combat mission for the French mini Dunq's. Been sitting on 3 spotted ribbons for a few days now when before I was spotting shit left and right
>kill death ratio, average damage, contribution to cap and defense for particular ship keeps progressively climbing >average win rate keeps progressively dropping
literally me >averaging huge dmg, caps etc >my team always has at least 2-3 absolute mouth-breathing morons who die within 3 minutes >WR tanks >top the team xp constantly
it's an abstract kind of feel
literally me >averaging huge dmg, caps etc >my team always has at least 2-3 absolute mouth-breathing morons who die within 3 minutes >WR tanks >top the team xp constantly
it's an abstract kind of feel
>First 20 matches in Lexington after a 60% win rate solo with Ranger >1 draw 19 losses >Planes get turkey shot out of the sky before I can ever get in range to drop torps or bombs
So is the playerbase of this game stupid as frick or something because it seems pretty easy to neutralize my Lexington with just barest amount of effort
You are facing real AA for the first time, thats what is happening. Stop flying into the flak like a moron. Learn how to dodge flak and how immunity zones work and when to heal up. Its skill issue if you frick up that badly.
>mopping up on my flank >check rest of team >literally all but four dead in the first five minutes >end up focused down after the rest of them get finished off >top of leaderboard and it isn't even close, rest of team has contributions that wouldn't look out of place at Tier IV >its Tier fricking VIII-X
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Might be a shitter take but almost all t9 and 10 matches boil down to sitting back and sniping until time runs out or everyone screaming for the cv or dd's to spot and then refusing to shoot at the spotted targets and dying because people are to busy b***hing about the lack of spotting to shoot
They had the ability to set the heading and have torpedo's turn to match it in WW2 though, or set them to turn in complex patterns. More then a few subs were lost throughout the war because their torps would circle back and hit them, or set them to run deep under a ships keel and explode with the result pocket of air breaking the back of a ship because of the lack of water supporting its weight.
If WG ever went full on historical realism the players of this game would lose their fricking minds with the shit you could do with torpedo's.
how do you get good wr in bbs? I have ~65% in all my dds but bbs feel like I'm completely at the mercy of matchmaking. I just don't have any impact on the game in comparison. am I playing wrong?
No, BBs have lowest game impact class at high tiers. You are at mercy of MM.
its still one of my best ships at t10 if you got a brain
as others said a steal for 10k doubs
The entire line has always been bad, battering rams at best.
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It's not a great ship but a T10 for less than 10k gold (assuming discounted starter pack) is hard to pass on.
Alright, i will get her. 10k dubs isnt that much for t10 as you guys said
1- as other anon said depends on your ship
2- it also depends on enemy ship, and number of ships.
If you are getting focused by 2-3 ship at a time bow tanking in a cruiser is not going to work.
Actually focus on aiming, most people lose like half their DPM because they don't pay attention. Don't smoke up without hard cover in places you're likely to be radared, you're too slow to escape. Accept the fact that as a selfish long range smoke farmer you won't have much solo carry potential. Alternatively, be a dickhead and div up with a Wooster or radar Mino.
Don't rush anywhere first & too fast, take it slow and dont trade your hp away too early. Learn to abuse hydro so you can outplay morons who camp in smoke.
Actually focus on aiming, most people lose like half their DPM because they don't pay attention. Don't smoke up without hard cover in places you're likely to be radared, you're too slow to escape. Accept the fact that as a selfish long range smoke farmer you won't have much solo carry potential. Alternatively, be a dickhead and div up with a Wooster or radar Mino.
It has very nice solo carry potential imho. Lots of firepower and optimal consumables. SAP+HE is just stupid combo with that dpm and firechance. I dont even use aft with my Sherman
Today actually, and no, not dying the entire game does not mean you have more impact. Especially when most games are decided in first 5-10 minute engagement period
if you can't hit a gunboat dd (which are also larger and less manoeuvrable than hybrids) <12km in any ship in the game your aim and/positioning is the problem.
>DDs being immune to anything
did you just get out of cbt or something? stealth firing has been gone for a long time buddy, gunboat DDs get instagibbed by cruisers now
First reset every 3 months is 20k, subsequent ones are 10k. You also get 10k the first time you unlock the RB, and a bit of change from daily missions. Ships are 43k (Emilio) to 63k (Slava).
I didn't even know it existed >3x2 15" guns at tier 9
Jesus Christ I'd rather take a bullet
>shit >3x2 15" guns at tier 9
On a cruiser. With cruiser accuracy. With over 20km of base range. It's one of the best ships at T9 actually, you just need to know how to aim.
speaking of le 3x2, does having big guns even matter? the difference in damage between the smallest battleship rifles in the game and the largest is only a little more than 2x, and they're all going to penetrate if the target is showing broadside anyway; I seem to always do better in ships that have more, shittier guns (like Fuso, Izmael), rather than ships with fewer, bigger guns (like Nagato)
You seem new, read this
https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Armor_thresholds#AP_overmatch
2 years ago
Anonymous
>On a cruiser. With cruiser accuracy.
Right, but it's not the only tier 9 battlecruiser, the Alaska for example has 9 guns, a much faster rate of fire, and retains cruiser accuracy
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, battle/supercruisers (those with 60 second fires) have worse dispersion than normal cruisers. Siegfried is the exception.
2 years ago
Anonymous
that's only meaningful if it also has the same sigma value as cruisers, does it?
2 years ago
Anonymous
True, but most cruisers share the same 2.05 sigma anyway. And sigma becomes more important with worse dispersion, it's less noticeable on cruisers. For example, Stalingrad has battlecruiser dispersion and the highest sigma in the game (2.65), but is overall less accurate than Siegfried with cruiser dispersion and 2.05 sigma (not adjusted for barrel count, of course).
2 years ago
Anonymous
I've never played the Stalingrad so I can't tell you how it feels to me, but the best comparison I can make that I have personally experienced is between the QE and Bayern, both have the same dispersion curve, 4x2 15" guns, similar maximum range, and even though the QE has only 0.2 more sigma, anyone can attest that the QE is certainly a lot more accurate.
2 years ago
Anonymous
As I said, it's most noticeable on ships with bad dispersion, like battleships.
There is this site where you can graph and compared accuracies (and even mess with parameters like sigma to see how much they affect the average shot).
https://jcw780.github.io/wows_ballistics/
2 years ago
Anonymous
higher caliber is a double edged sword though, so you get the ability to overmatch deck plating, but you likewise lose full penetration damage when you do penetrate it; in my 4,000 or so matches I've only ever seen a handful of citadels that weren't against a target within 30 degrees of broadside, and almost all of those were against cruisers who were traveling away, the rounds entering their rear belt armor, not their deck armor
2 years ago
Anonymous
If you think siegfried is spending any amount of resources over you are legit brain damaged. Accuracy doesnt matter anything when low amount of shells you have have shit penetration , no improved angles and meh damage. Going as far to compare it with stalingrad, the cruiser with best guns in the game is a total joke.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So you either own it as well, or you're talking out of your ass. Typical dumb tranime poster.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Post your solo stats in it Black person
2 years ago
Anonymous
62%, 1800PR in over 200 battles. This is solo, I div with moronic clanmates so it's worse overall. No, I will not post my profile.
speaking of le 3x2, does having big guns even matter? the difference in damage between the smallest battleship rifles in the game and the largest is only a little more than 2x, and they're all going to penetrate if the target is showing broadside anyway; I seem to always do better in ships that have more, shittier guns (like Fuso, Izmael), rather than ships with fewer, bigger guns (like Nagato)
Say I decide to return to the game and want to stick with cruisers because fun without being batshit like DDs. What line(s) would you all recommend for fun? I like having good accuracy, fire rate, and mobility, similar to how I played WoT years ago. I'm not terribly concerned about being able to soak a lot of hits but I know that, like WoT, there are certain boats that play above their peers and sometimes higher tiers.
Get a t10, there isnt much difference in credit making because of perma camo.
Sherman,moskva, immelman, all 3 good. For t9, if you learn to play black is just OP. Kearsage has a tumor on top of it that is super easy to farm, when someone shoots at you you eat damage. And worse, the tumor counts as hull, not superstructure. So enjoy.
>Black
what's so good about it anyway, just the radar? other than that it looks like just a strictly worse Fletcher
Smoke radar with 7.5 km range and around 25 second action time. Meaning if you are caught and not careful you will get hammered while he sits there and farms you. Downsides , due to bad gun velocity it has trouble hitting targets at range, torps are hilariously slow but low conceal high damage
Get a t10, there isnt much difference in credit making because of perma camo.
Sherman,moskva, immelman, all 3 good. For t9, if you learn to play black is just OP. Kearsage has a tumor on top of it that is super easy to farm, when someone shoots at you you eat damage. And worse, the tumor counts as hull, not superstructure. So enjoy.
no that's exactly my point, why do the tier 8 and 9 ones have a worse torpedo layout than the tier 6 and 7 ones. it's not a small difference either, the triple launchers have nearly a 50% faster reload and an extra tube, even accounting for the better torpedoes at higher tier, the tier 7 still has 30% more torpedo DPM than the tier 9
>the year is 2022 of our lord >the 2x4 japanese destroyers still come after the 3x3 destroyers in the tech tree
The japanese tree is full of these contradictions, the Mogami is worse than the Myoko in rate of fire and (slightly) in hitpoints, all it gets in return is better gun angles.
Russians have never gotten over getting btfo at Tsushima so they will use whatever excuse they can shit on Japan, and in a game made or financed by Russians at the start we're lucky Japanese ships don't just randomly explode at the start of battles
Is there another country that lets their national insecurity bleed into every facet of their existence, from reporting to game development, as much as Russia? The fact that fricking Neustrashimy gets DFAA and the Japanese AA destroyer line doesn’t is a laugh
Whats the opinion on all the changes? Kind of amused that WG stripped away all bonuses from perma camos bust still charges a shit ton of doubloons for them.
This is how software deployment is supposed to work. You get the most problems and support tickets right after an update and it makes sense to not answer them all at once. For WoWS updates go live in order RU-NA-ASIA-EU, 8 hours apart.
>another stupidpick a team and hope that all the other dumbasses on the server pick the same one you did so you actually get all the rewards
These events are not only dumb, they're also stupid
So with the camo's having every bonus stripped away from them, does this mean that there's been a game wide stealth nerf since it takes away the -3% detection range buff?
yes, that's how it works, tier 10 cruisers are better than tier 9 battleships in 1v1s, doubly so if there are good players involved, since cruisers have a higher skill ceiling
You are in a battlecruiser or CA and find yourself at around 15km from a superior force, sailing more or less straight at them with islands 2 km on either side of you, do you dive for the islands and just hope they miss your cit or smash it in reverse and keep the bow pointed at them?
ITA cruisers have long reload which hampers their ability to dumpster dds if they decide to just dodge
ITA cruisers are just shit, they have zero place in competitive, the ships are too long, too wide with big citadels. Your only play in the game is kiting away, sap has big damage but saturates very fast so when a bb just shows bow you do zero damage. Cope smoke is the only utility they have. Instead of crap tier AP, italian cruisers would have been much more viable to play if they had the ability to switch to HE
hot take, playing as AND against DDs was most fun before smoke nerfs, torpedo nerfs, stealth firing nerfs, hydro, and radar, but ALSO before they removed DD citadels and imposed the 10% damage cap for large shells
>italian cruisers are shit
every time one of them hits me for 15k in my battleship superstructure with SAP, I console myself with the knowledge they aren't good ships
I had this problem constantly in war thunder. I swear there was a hidden matchmaker rule that any time you popped a booster it dumpstered your next team lineup
homie play the dam game and utilize the xp bonuses. Started from 0 xp on the Lion this morning after upgrading everything and I'm halfway to the Conqueror already.
Edi is good, mino is high risk high reward. Neptune has mino hull but doesnt have the sheer firepower of mino to make up the reward part. That is why its shit.
secondary builds are the gayest fricking thing they ever added to this game, it's so fricking bullshit that german battleships just carry a 10km zone of anal rape around them at all times, and they don't even have to do anything
Non issue, they are the easiest ships to farm in the game.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Non issue
kys
2 years ago
Anonymous
Your lack of skill and low WR is showing. Deplorable
I am not recommending izumo you mong, but most techtree bbs are shit. Izumo is more managable than amagi. Its legit fxp waste to try to boost to yamato, when yamato isnt even that good without legendary mod
its better, saying its not would mean that that the person either doesnt play the game or is to fricking stupid to understand the basics of this game in the first place
you get everything more now including the free 2 play gays
They really need to take torpedos away from battlecruisers. Its like peoples minds revert back to t2 battles as they try to rush in with the dd's at the start to get torps off but only end up dying and doing absolutely nothing
As long as ships like Yubari and Yahagi with absolute meme-tier torpedo arcs also get it considering torpedo attacks were a massive part of IJN cruiser doctrine
Do not join HOTEL, the existence of that clan is purely to bait people into a dead clan out of spite. 2D is the only place to go these days if your from here.
Do not join HOTEL, the existence of that clan is purely to bait people into a dead clan out of spite. 2D is the only place to go these days if your from here.
I think he meant on EU server, also beside BOTES on NA is there any other burger clan from here anon that we can direct ppl from here to or is it only BOTES?
Gonna unlock the Conqueror tomorrow some time, how do you play it? I see a lot of people sitting back and trying to snipe with HE and being a complete non entity in the game or trying to rush and getting clapped by the entire enemy team.
With 155s it’s a refreshing break from the rest of the Japanese cruiser line and about the closest you’ll get to HE spam without going to the gunboat destroyers. With 203s it’s Ibuki without a heal
>random battle >Mix of T7's, 8's and 9's >Some dumbass comes in bragging about how his secondary build for the KGV wrecks everything left and right >Match starts, homosexual rushes in >Gets absolutely shit on by an Akatsuki division >Spends rest of the match b***hing about dd's being OP
If you’ve other dd’s on your team, especially knife fighters, shadow them as second line support, ready to melt whatever other destroyers they come in contact with. Not many destroyer players will survive getting double teamed when it involves a Japanese gunboat. If you are one of the only DDs on your team, it’s probably better to play more like a light cruiser, don’t contest caps early on, spot the big guys and be wary about getting spotted by their destroyers. If things are going your way you can smoke up and start farming BBs but otherwise that isn’t contributing a whole lot to your victory
If you have the fxp to do so and don’t mind spending it go ahead. The tier VII is essentially a mediocre torpedo boat. VIII is where the gunboating begins with rapid fire 100mm guns in fast traversing mounts, but Akizuki is very slow and clumsy for a destroyer
secondary builds are the gayest fricking thing they ever added to this game, it's so fricking bullshit that german battleships just carry a 10km zone of anal rape around them at all times, and they don't even have to do anything
So, what's the meta in gold going to be? Is the venezia assassin bullshut going to be on par with the brindisi stuff from tier 9?
...can I expect the specifically gk player owning mid thing to taper off a bit?
What class of ship does Yamamoto work best with? Thinking about running him on my Ryujo but I've also got a captainless Izumo that's been collecting dust for the better part of a year now.
Something tells me they are going to nuke the xp consumables by a large amount. Literally just grinded the Conqueror in under 12 hours using the 1600 and 800% bonuses.
Both are useless, AA does nothing in BBs, your best torpedo protection is having game sense. Look up recommended captain builds for the ship you have instead of coming up with your own Frankensteins
Anyone who used the expanded mission progress and container collector in port from aslain modpack have it functioning? Doesn't seem to work after the update.
The complex mods usually need fixes after an update, it might take a few days. Mission progress is working for me though, but via Modstation, not Aslain.
What comes in the Yamamoto container that you once you complete his campaign?
You get one item to start his collection, then you can get the rest from daily crates. The end reward for that collection is a flag and alternative camo patterns for jap ships.
>most destroyers have 20-22mm HE penetration (except the germans) with their 5" guns
nevertheless, I get many times more HE nonpens with my American destroyers than any other*~~
>it does matter since nonpens can't start fires
That's just a straight up lie. Been playing the Queen Mary and I've had plenty of non pen HE hits start fires
>First 3 games with Conqueror >150k, 195k, 130k damage >All losses because cruisers and dd's suicide in the first 5 minutes
I thought people that play at t10 were supposed to be smarter then the players at t5
Always buy the boosters, exchanging it for creds is legit iq test move. I think cred booster is the least useful one because if you do good in a t9 premium you will easily get 600-800k each match with a mediocre booster anyway. Other boosters are more valuable
>Your average game thrower mongoloid that doesnt know you can buy t9-t10 premiums by buying it from coal/steel /RB and tries to imply other people are dubs paypigs
Even if you build Gearing for guns the shell speed is so bad you barely win against Shimas. It's still a good boat as a spotting bot with legendary upgrade, just not a good hybrid.
Bongs or eurotrash. Harugumo sub-line also has a respectable torp power.
>bongs
I sometimes forget Daring actually has torps. They're so situational you might as well just play Druid.
>with legendary upgrade
wew I'm not anywhere near getting one of those, I only have 1 (one) tier 10. I hate how some of the legendary upgrades have severe drawbacks - like the Gearing's, and others, like Z-52's, are just straight upgrades
2 years ago
Anonymous
No legendary is a straight upgrade. You lose on other stuff you could have taken in that slot.
yes it was with ifhe. you still have to go practically flat broadside and you aren't built for brawling with armour, torps or hydro etc. I'm going to try it again now as a traditional fr fast flanker with brisk and conceal
Any word on when subs are put in the tech tree? I've come to terms with the fact that they're here forever but at least don't give them as rentals to fricking drooling tards who never got past T6.
They only seem busted because we haven't run out of them yet. Previously if you got 50 camos from a supercontainer those had 2-3 bonuses. Now you get 50 of a single bonus. Same with dragon flags.
The nerf is already here but it is in the rate at which you get these items. When the (monthly i think) combat mission that gave you 3 of each dragon flag appears again, you can compare how much wg fricked us over.
>~56% solo win rate from tier V-VII >~54% at VIII >>~51% at IX >damage numbers/kill/cap numbers continue to climb as I go up the tiers >number of games where team throws the match in the first 4 minutes skyrocketing out of control >number of matches where a entire flank gets folded by a single submarine blowing though the roof >number of matches where opposite team holds all caps for the duration of the game exploding
What the actual FRICK is going on at high tiers in this game man, and why do the mid tiers feel more intelligent than the ultra high end ships driven by players that presumably have thousands of battles under their belts?
it's not really great at anything, it's an OK torpedo boat, it's an OK gunboat, the only thing outstanding about it is its top speed, it's fast for an american destroyer
Back before the great AA nerf, it was pretty decent at tricking a CV with full AA build and de-planing it, but now since AA is useless there is not much of a reason to spec for it. Was really good at Operation Dynamo when that was around
>dead player starts giving shitty advice for current engagement >quickly fire back a message saying why his advice is shitty >dead player immediately starts digging through my stats for my current ship and explaining why I’m bad
German Battlecruiser players are fricking moronic and should be gassed on sight
at the start of every match I count the number of german ships and the team with more will lose almost every time. if they're in a div its guaranteed loss
>Preussen >Tries to bow tank my Conqueror >Earn Arsonist/Witherer in before first 5 minutes of the match has passed >Feel like the game is going to be a cakewalk >Glance up and see my teams 3 dd's and 4 cruisers are already dead while half the other BB's are crippled and hiding behind islands
There really needs to be some sort of basic IQ test in game that determines if you are allowed to play in t10 ships
>enemy CV from top clan talking shit >look up his stats >only plays CVs in 3 man divs >barely 55% solo in surface ships, mostly by statpadding at T2/T3
>watch enemy Russian BB with reasonable amount of health ram a nearly dead allied BB >both die >call him a brainlet >immediate tirade of slurs >check profile >hidden >clan recruiter
>playing my tirpitz >enemy kremlin on the other side of an island >he's not moving, just bow tanking against some british battleship or something >reasonably conclude that he's a shitter >come around the corner, he shoots me for 30k damage (wow!) >torpedo him, then quadruple cit him for 50k damage >he dies, never once making an attempt to move and turn or anything >check his stats after the game, 67% winrate, 120k average damage
fascinating, so this is the power of being good at the game
You probably got incredibly lucky from a supercontainer and forgot or didn't notice. They do give out ships to returning players who didn't spend money but GC is absolutely not one of them.
Angling helps only to some degree, the ship has extremely vulnerable shell traps at its citadels to even angled you can get citadeled. Especially at long range plunging fire and very short ranges. If you open water in it you wont survive for long
such is life in cls. I don't really know what the solution is tbh. without overmatch bbs would just get bullied all day, but with it so proliferated it feels shit as a cruiser to cop a stray shell or two and lose a trade
Angling helps only to some degree, the ship has extremely vulnerable shell traps at its citadels to even angled you can get citadeled. Especially at long range plunging fire and very short ranges. If you open water in it you wont survive for long
such is life in cls. I don't really know what the solution is tbh. without overmatch bbs would just get bullied all day, but with it so proliferated it feels shit as a cruiser to cop a stray shell or two and lose a trade
on this note what should I do as a CL when my team lemming trains and abandons a flank at the start? in a dd I can spot and slow the advance with torps of harass bbs, in a bb I can kite and slow them for quite some time too, but in a CL I just get wrecked especially with multiple opponents pushing that you can't just juke
Use the islands, in a lemming situation you have to notice it happening beforehand and not lose your focus on battle by ignoring minimap. This is the biggest mistake lot of people make, even people who played this game for a lnog time. They dont look at minimap enough and see how things are going. If your team is doing a lemming runaway from the flank you should take precautions beforehand. For example run away even before them, if you are a panasian cruiser spam torps to the advancing enemies , if american cl run to an island that will allow you to retreat if needed while raining hellfire on advancing enemies. Brits can disengage easier with their smoke if needed while torping and kiting.
such is life in cls. I don't really know what the solution is tbh. without overmatch bbs would just get bullied all day, but with it so proliferated it feels shit as a cruiser to cop a stray shell or two and lose a trade
Honestly only panasians and mino suffers extremely from stray shells citting them. Other light cruisers are fine.
I am on french cruiser line atm. I like them in general but they feel weak compared to italian that I just got to venezia (both start cl and transition to ça I believe)
Welcome to the club, congrats on finding out dds are the most op class, other classes are fun o play in div. So if you arent already in a clan apply for it, thats my advice.
Welcome to the club, congrats on finding out dds are the most op class, other classes are fun o play in div. So if you arent already in a clan apply for it, thats my advice.
this is why I suffer now since I play more than my friends and I prefer cruisers, but I don't want to touch them solo
High dpm cruisers and ones with great radar like Moskva can carry like dds. WG compensates bullshit overmatch mechanics by ramping up cruiser dpm to make them seem balanced on paper
>cant improve in game >cant carry >cant cope with that >has to make anonymous seethe posts
Lmao, wont even give a (you) for that cringe posting. Keep seething scrub
It's not quite fast enough to be hard to hit and even meme smoke is valuable at T7 because radars are rare.
except, there were no island huggers back then because they got nuked by CVs in one pass
Fair point, but I don't miss being devstruck by a Haku in a BB.
If I reset a line, what happens to the commanders if I don't get enough places in reserve?
You get as many reserve slots as needed. They're free and permanent.
how can people enjoy playing bbs? I absolutely can't stand my hits being RNG instead of my aim it makes me absolutely seethe like nothing else
Accurate BBs exist but shitters don't like them because they highlight how hard it actually is to aim well on dodging targets. Keep at it, it gets better as you go up the tiers, just avoid the germans and italians.
"Accurate BB"
Slava and leggo mod yamato, satsuma, incomparable
Those are the only accurate bbs that matter in game , thats it. Even they have rng that fricks with them. Aiming is easy, game literaly tells you how many seconds to target and you have a dynamic reticle to count lead. Rng fricks you, not bad aiming.
Even if you're playing Slava, your target has 10s or more to react at long range. Aiming is anticipating the turn, guessing the direction, knowing their turning circle and rudder shift to compensate, armor scheme in case you don't overmatch everywhere, and judging their exact speed. Aiming is "easy" on your average randoms subhuman, but not on everyone. Some form of innacuracy helps compensate for this, particularly if you alpha strike is many times the target's health. Sure, RNG exists, but even if they made a BB with Elbing accuracy, 90% of players would suck in it because, like you, they think "aiming is easy".
2 years ago
Anonymous
Its not as complicated as you make it sound as it is. Hindenburg and montana has similiar flight times, but one of them hits the targets more consistently, while other can bracket the sea. Its all about dispersion. Have the correct lead, see if he is turning, adjust accordingly and fire, that is it. Dispersion compensation is only really useful when targeting dds. You dont get "i am too accurate" problems unless you play something that is crazy accurate llke ragnar
>there are people who use the dynamic reticle
Static one doesnt help you with anything. Enjoy fricking up your aim every time you change ships with different time on targets. You only just screwing yourself by using a non helpful bar scratched on your targeting lens, just like soviet pilots who drew reticles with paint in early war because they didnt have sights
2 years ago
Anonymous
???
all the reticle needs to do is show you a line level with your point of aim, so you don't shoot behind or in front of the target, it's irrelevant for lead since just shooting by gut will give you better results, that's why the dynamic reticle is just a distraction
2 years ago
Anonymous
dynamic greatly increases your chances of first salvo perfect hits by matching the known speed of your target (and adjusting based on what wake, smokestack etc you see)
2 years ago
Anonymous
^this
You can frick up eyeballing things , especially at longer ranges where TOT can change dramatically. Zero reason to use the regular reticle
>be Des Moines >go island hugging and achieve noting (or get deleted by a CV) >go open water, do a reliably mediocre amount of damage and die because everything overmatches me
I just don't know.
Its a rough experience, i have the same problem with her. Best advice i can give is keep island hugging but dont keep engaging bbs that overmatch your bow when they turn around and start shooting you, the armor model is very bad you will get nuked if you try to do fair trade. Its no moskva. Just reverse back when they start looking, disappear from sight, and when they turn to other targets pop out again. Best case scenario, dont even be visible and fire over low islands. Only time you push out is when bbs arent around or totally alone and you can out DPM with HE other cruisers
No AA stops the first strike, but having to waste a full squadron for one strike is a good enough deterrent. The problem is AA powercreep and AA builds being too expensive for a small benefit.
If you wait for months/years (no known rule or pattern) and never spent any money on the game, they might give you a premium ship (T7-T8), but it won't be a very good one.
That is stupid, with average booster, a win, premium account and premium ship you make close to 600-800k credits each battle . That is 20 minutes max.If you want 5 mil just play the game normally. Credits are worthless anyway.
Question bump
Some people posted their referral codes in previous threads, you can use those instead of wg shill websites.
>boosters
Just play the game and they magically appear in your account >premium ship
Lot of ships are "freemium" for coal, steel, RB . If you dont have any of them you arent playing the game >premium account
Lots of sales , coupons etc. happens. If you are serious about actually playing the game it costs nothing in comparison to the time you spend in it.
So all your questions answers are just play the fricking game. It amazing how most people that b***h and moan about lacking this or that end up people who arent actually playing it
>play the game with 50-60 percent gimped income on everything >waste your boosters by earning less base xp
and gain zero fxp >dont take advantage of birthday cashbacks, new year half price premium account >cry you cant get anything in game and cry about consoomers
>That is stupid, with average booster, a win, premium account and premium ship you make close to 600-800k credits each battle
More like half that and half again now that you can't reduce the repair bill of your ship
If you arent grinding research bureau it is worthless, if you are grinding it you are a vet with billion resources too so zero reason to complain. 5 mil credits are literally nothing.unless you are a newbie that stared playing, in his case its probably better for him to advance at the tech tree more slowly rather than faster.
There isnt because you want to get out of that stupid shit ship as fast as possible only to move on to another stupid shit ship that you wont ever play again unless you are a stupid german boomer.
>That is stupid, with average booster, a win, premium account and premium ship you make close to 600-800k credits each battle
More like half that and half again now that you can't reduce the repair bill of your ship
>pic related
skill issue
are french bbs any good? sure they get speed to just flank bro but they lose out on gun calibre, accuracy and armour. firing angles seem tailored for kiting and being able to dictate range is nice, but you're never going to out trade ijn bbs or soviet bbs. if you push in even a little you're going to get burned to death as every he spammer in the game loves you. you've got some of the lowest dpm in the entire game. so basically you have to wait until late game, contributing very little to your team, hoping that it goes well enough that you can then position well and hunt targets. am I missing something?
Premium ones outright replace TT ones. Jean bart, bourgogne. So no TT ones arent worth it.
are french bbs any good? sure they get speed to just flank bro but they lose out on gun calibre, accuracy and armour. firing angles seem tailored for kiting and being able to dictate range is nice, but you're never going to out trade ijn bbs or soviet bbs. if you push in even a little you're going to get burned to death as every he spammer in the game loves you. you've got some of the lowest dpm in the entire game. so basically you have to wait until late game, contributing very little to your team, hoping that it goes well enough that you can then position well and hunt targets. am I missing something?
Once you get to the Lyon they are pretty fun. Before that they are absolute trash. The Richelieu was the most enjoyable for me, kind of meh on the Alsace.
>am I missing something
Yes, instead of "waiting" you spam HE at max range and deal worthless fire damage to enemy BBs so your stats don't look atrocious. That fricking line has low match impact even for BB standards, the only ships worth playing are the JB and the two 10s, maybe the super.
>casually wearing a shirt with thighs exposed >2 cups of a hot drink, one presumably for (You) >small but shapely frame & chest >cute smile & blush and cute hair
frickfrickfrick
>dd avg win rates all between 65-100% from tier V to X >cruisers 30-50 >bbs 30-50
not sure where the frick its going wrong for me in other classes. my cruiser stats and positioning and gradually improving but the WR still hovers between 45-49%
You might be selfish damage farming from max ranges too much. To do teammate suicide prevention sometimes you must act as a shell bait. Each shell that is targeting you when you are angled and dodging is a shell that isnt going to your broadsiding moron teammate.
with cruisers possibly but I always use all my heals in bbs and try my best to push as appropriate and force trades on me instead of supporting cruisers etc. practice makes perfect anyway hopefully I will see more of my mistakes with time
You might be selfish damage farming from max ranges too much. To do teammate suicide prevention sometimes you must act as a shell bait. Each shell that is targeting you when you are angled and dodging is a shell that isnt going to your broadsiding moron teammate.
>implying
And I got the Legendary mod back when you had to actually play the ship to earn it, now all I do is use it and a few other CV's I've earned/received for snowflakes and possibly some missions in co-op, since I will not use CV's in random anymore
Personally I'd be happy with tighter dispersion. Gets annoying as frick having my shells just go what ever fricking direction they feel like regardless of where I aim.
I got invited to a random clan and they want me to try grind a t10 for clan battles. They tell me I can go whichever ship type and TT i want but I'm not a good player with only a little over 100 matched played mostly on CV and would like to not be dead weight. I was thinking schlieffen but I hear bad things about German BB's. Any recommendations for what line and ship type to aim for? Are destroyers easier than cruisers? Or do I go for a battleship?
if you have only 100 game played you should try all lines out, if you wanna have the most impact learn dds, cruisers only if you go meta for starters, stay away from BBs cause useless class and only there if you suck at all other classes
Don't sail in straight lines while in combat, you have a rudder for a reason, don't show your broadsides unless its the only option you have, don't be afraid to fall back and repair, don't charge in like a moron if its just you or one other ship on the entire flank, don't play German BC's, don't actually play the game and just act like you do and shitpost here
yes, and they weren't even considered banned modifications for a long time until people had a nuclear meltdown on the forums and WG changed their mod policy
that's the way it is for every class in the game except cruisers, if you are in a BB people get away with being bad in front of you because lol dispersion, if you are in a DD people get away with being bad in front of you because they or someone else happened to accidentally mash their hydro key, if you are in a carrier people can get away with playing bad in front of you by press AA button
For other classes not really, because in DD you have both torps and guns, you have thousand options to deal with other people. Get them perma spotted etc. Just because your torps didnt hit because someone decided to turn at an unfortunate time doesnt mean they are inherently rng and people got away with bad plays. For CV there is no rng involved and AA can be worked around. If the area is too heavy with aa you just go pick another target easily. But bbs can only push left mouse button and watch as people get away with broadsiding infront of you
shitter spotted
god i cant imagine being you, getting farmed in your shit ships cause you are to much of a brainlet homie
ironic is that half the meta chads switch every two games to ships that are fun while you cuck dont wanna even wanna get good in the game to begin with
Assuming you're talking about the ones on DDs. If they gave them good torps we would have ended up with an entire line of Paolo Emilios, and while that ship is fun, having too many of them makes a match frustrating because they can trade with pretty much anything.
There isn't really a meta in randoms, you can get decent results in any ship if you're good enough. There are, however, some ships that have been powercreeped or trade off effectiveness for ease of use and shouldn't be grinded or bought anymore if you don't have them already.
toober kite meta aka you recieve 100 dmg you kite into the next map
since we got so many toober shills on here i am suprised non of the tier 3 subs posted any of their fav. le funny big numba videos about "meta" picks
What's the point of discussing meta.
Almost all good ships are closed behind insane either paywall or grind.
Also if you don't own thunderer, smaland, smolensk, missouri, musashi, jean bart, alaska or asashio you are nothing but a pathetic shitstain in this game, filled in to be farmed by ships above. Of course if you are still striving, get daring, petropavlovsk, conqueror and nakhimov.
halland is also good, yes
gearing, kremin are in pathetic state
schlieffen was nerfed
nevsky is a mess compared to hinden, but overall any cruiser suck compared to pp
i played it for some time when it relased, i had murmansk (russian omaha) and like tier 6 in us carriers and some other stuff
will the game shower me with veteran goodies if i come back after all these years?
i loved the deep sound game made when i blew up other ships, that was cool
Returning rewards aren't huge but if you only got to T6 you barely played the game. You'd get the Warspite, a few weeks of premium time and some credits and flags, maybe some supercontainers.
What is so fricking hard about staying alive. Every player has a keyboard with WASD keys, why is it their brains seem to turn off during combat and they refuse to maneuver even the slightest of amounts?
That'd require them doing two things at the same time.
Most boomers are incapable of doing two things at once so shooting and randomly smashing the rudder is too hard
random games are literally determined by which team has more boomers playing german bbs. they are absolute apes
Nobody cares about wl rating. Normal players just want to shoot stuff without thinking too much about mechanics. Go be tryhard in ranked.
Why Richelieu hull A have spotter plane but B doesn't?
https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/vwh9fm/rommel_666_destroyer_to_the_rescue_correlation_of/
RAW SCIENCE BABY
>by given name, the worst players on EU have french names and the worst on NA have spanish names
pottery
>T10 brawls
I can't even imagine the meta.
Schlieffen and Kleber are best but I'm having fun with Mino.
I wish I were a boat hehe
>bismarck in ranked
>asashio in ranked
unironically what's wrong with it
>Second worst T8 BB
>In a competitive mode
the bismarck is bad now? did they nerf it since I played last?
The entire line has always been bad, battering rams at best.
It's not a great ship but a T10 for less than 10k gold (assuming discounted starter pack) is hard to pass on.
Also that token for 30k steel is insane. Would it be wise to take the bureau points for Sevastopol when it comes out?
Assuming your that same guy, the token only is given to people who already have PR
But personally I'd go for steel if I got a token
>The entire line has always been bad
not really, the tier 9 and 10 were always horrible because of their gun angles, the bismarck was always pretty good
I think it's the other tier 8 battleships that were changed, the NC and Amagi I vaguely recall having above-waterline citadels, like the Iowa definitely used to.
No, afaik it isnt touched ever. But it was always a meh bb.
Took a Monarch into ranked and did extremely well with it and all I ever hear is people b***hing about how shit the Monarch is.
You got carried and think you did something while damage farming idiot german bbs.
this
the only ships that carry in ranked are DDs - if you win and you play not in a DD that means either that your dds were better or the enemy ones just sucked
Most of the dd's I've seen in ranked tend to be the ones that play like they are in random battles and suicide in the first 2 min. If anything they are nothing but a hindrance to every team they are on
Then explain how I got 72% last season playing only BBs, Black person
you got carried by your dds or their dds, if you rly think having no radar, not being the class that caps etc be the main part of why you won i dunno what to tell you
You're the kind of shitter who thinks MM is somehow against them and only them. Every single class can carry if played right.
>he thinks BBs carry
meds?
every class can make a significant contribution but the ceiling of a bb vs dd is vastly lower
Meh would rather have a cv then a dd in ranked.
disagree, DDs can certainly carry, but the only ships that can carry consistently are cruisers, since you have far more control over how much damage you deal and what happens to you in a cruiser game
Why the frick is there so many DDs without SE? It blows my fricking mind.
because everyone goes AR > CE > SE
I’m not planning on getting hit
>Due to Transformers camo's and a shit load of xp flags I blow through the Ranger grind in 2 days
>Get Lexington
>First battle is t10
>Get sniped from half way across the map
>Look at mini map afterwards and see every single bb on my team is hiding behind me allowing dd's to just stroll along a spot
I swear its like every time players reach a new tier they become even dumber then before.
>cv player
have a nice day
How do I beat bbs in a moskva in brawl? I can beat other cruisers, dds, and sometimes Cvs pretty easily but idk what to do with BBs. Staying nose in does the most damage but they always outlast me with hp
You dont, tx brawls meta is
1>schlieffen
2>marceau,kleber,mino
You dont need to pay for anything other than premium account, despite the people crying about it wows isnt p2w
Same way you would in a random battle, use islands, torpedo's and your speed to keep them out of auto spotting range
>incapacitate several main battery mounts in one game
>notice I have an available campaign mission to incapacitate or destroy 15 main battery mounts
>equip mission
>haven’t disabled a single main battery mount in the last 14 games despite intentionally aiming for them now
Been like that for me for the past few days with the combat mission for the French mini Dunq's. Been sitting on 3 spotted ribbons for a few days now when before I was spotting shit left and right
>kill death ratio, average damage, contribution to cap and defense for particular ship keeps progressively climbing
>average win rate keeps progressively dropping
Play t6 CV's. Started doing this the other night and I've had a few streaks already of 10+ wins in a row.
Thanks for the tip anon, played a round with Ryujo and got reported twice
>4 uptiers to VIII in a row
>matches swarming with Clevelands and Baltimores
Can't stand it either. I usually spend the time spotting for the team but then get screamed at because I'm not attacking anything.
literally me
>averaging huge dmg, caps etc
>my team always has at least 2-3 absolute mouth-breathing morons who die within 3 minutes
>WR tanks
>top the team xp constantly
it's an abstract kind of feel
Post stats
I played about 4 hours of this and then got extremely bored. I also quit realizing the microtransactions they have cost so fricking much.
>northern spawn on ocean has a 51.8% winrate
Really makes me think
>First 20 matches in Lexington after a 60% win rate solo with Ranger
>1 draw 19 losses
>Planes get turkey shot out of the sky before I can ever get in range to drop torps or bombs
So is the playerbase of this game stupid as frick or something because it seems pretty easy to neutralize my Lexington with just barest amount of effort
You are facing real AA for the first time, thats what is happening. Stop flying into the flak like a moron. Learn how to dodge flak and how immunity zones work and when to heal up. Its skill issue if you frick up that badly.
anyone capped in the head enough to still play tanks?
World of Tanks? I still go back to it every once in a while, just 3 marked my first tank ever.
>mopping up on my flank
>check rest of team
>literally all but four dead in the first five minutes
>end up focused down after the rest of them get finished off
>top of leaderboard and it isn't even close, rest of team has contributions that wouldn't look out of place at Tier IV
>its Tier fricking VIII-X
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Get used to it. The smartest players seem to hang around in t6 and t7 while morons only seem to populate anything over t8
When is the fricking Cherbourg leaving early access. I want to sell this piece of shit asap.
Next patch, so 7 days. It's not a bad ship but it's hard to play correctly (AP ambusher, not HE spammer).
Shitter take, playing low tiers beyond grinding a line is just a cope, you're not good or smart for padding stats against actual new players.
Might be a shitter take but almost all t9 and 10 matches boil down to sitting back and sniping until time runs out or everyone screaming for the cv or dd's to spot and then refusing to shoot at the spotted targets and dying because people are to busy b***hing about the lack of spotting to shoot
Just play ranked if you don't like your teammates
I love Azur Lane!
I will never "play" Azur Lane but I appreciate the collabs giving us big tiddied anime commanders
Is it possible to ping carriers as a sub?
It seems like they just kept getting neutralized right away when I tried.
CV DCP lasts one minute. You shouldn't have to use guided torps on them though. Also why are you playing subs you fricking moron gorilla Black person?
>why are you playing subs
My great-grandfather served on one
Unironically the only reason I can accept, though there are better games out there.
>fun
I guess WG really succeeded in making a class for literal 60 IQ subhumans. They still shouldn't have given them out for free.
one of my actual ships is a carrier.
cry more
I only have 2 ships that aren't subs and no premiums plus subs are fun.
What am I in for?
numbers go up
Sub 1 second reload
An immense amount of butthurt when start shredding bb's
that fricking sap explosion sound triggers me so much and its constant
torps that nobody expects
I've read it somewhere that they were going to make them homing torps like subs at first.
No, not homing, just curving right after launch so you get a wider angle because frick physics. The new Bong BBs have this.
is this going to be added for the sherman?
Nothing official about it, they might, but I don't think it needs any buffs.
They had the ability to set the heading and have torpedo's turn to match it in WW2 though, or set them to turn in complex patterns. More then a few subs were lost throughout the war because their torps would circle back and hit them, or set them to run deep under a ships keel and explode with the result pocket of air breaking the back of a ship because of the lack of water supporting its weight.
If WG ever went full on historical realism the players of this game would lose their fricking minds with the shit you could do with torpedo's.
>WG goes full historical realism
>half of all usn torps are duds
Shit more then half, say an easy 75%
>If WG ever went full on historical realism
half of russian ships sink before battle start
I get a greater sense of satisfaction from absolutely nuking some imaginary Russian ship than from anything else in the game
french too. most of them are paper especially bbs
>1st game in stock Ryujo
>uptiered to t8
>AL Sov. Rossiya with 107 total battle and 41% WR
>he's on your team
>Bring an Elbing to brawl
>it somehow works out
>WG wants us to use up all flags before rework
That means we must keep as many as possible.
They want you to use combat flags, those aren't changing. Take your meds, you outrage farming schizo.
Should i go for Puerto Rico when dockyard happens? Some people claim its not that good of a ship anymore
its still one of my best ships at t10 if you got a brain
as others said a steal for 10k doubs
>enemy Salmon 54%
>our U-190 46%
how do you get good wr in bbs? I have ~65% in all my dds but bbs feel like I'm completely at the mercy of matchmaking. I just don't have any impact on the game in comparison. am I playing wrong?
No, BBs have lowest game impact class at high tiers. You are at mercy of MM.
Alright, i will get her. 10k dubs isnt that much for t10 as you guys said
how do people get away with just sitting bow on completely still or reversing in high tier cruisers, every time I try it I just get instagibbed
Depend on ships.
1- as other anon said depends on your ship
2- it also depends on enemy ship, and number of ships.
If you are getting focused by 2-3 ship at a time bow tanking in a cruiser is not going to work.
Which gun on Mogami, 155mm or 203mm?
Only use 155 if you plan to keep it with a dedicated IFHE commander.
Yeah I think I'll stop at Mogami and then wait for Jap CLs
That line is legit waste of time , xp and credits. Good idea to wait for cls
Why is Izumo so fat? She looks even fatter than Yamato.
She's bigger but has better armor, Yamato eats shit while broadside and has the cheek vulnerability, Izumo does not.
Any tips on how to play Sherman? It's fun to shoot but I don't know how to play it well.
Actually focus on aiming, most people lose like half their DPM because they don't pay attention. Don't smoke up without hard cover in places you're likely to be radared, you're too slow to escape. Accept the fact that as a selfish long range smoke farmer you won't have much solo carry potential. Alternatively, be a dickhead and div up with a Wooster or radar Mino.
Don't rush anywhere first & too fast, take it slow and dont trade your hp away too early. Learn to abuse hydro so you can outplay morons who camp in smoke.
It has very nice solo carry potential imho. Lots of firepower and optimal consumables. SAP+HE is just stupid combo with that dpm and firechance. I dont even use aft with my Sherman
>no new chapter since february
>no new collab
Wait for the I400 super sub *~~
More carrier, just what this game need. I don't know why WG love CVs so much.
Ask that to the gunbote DDs, because they are the ones that have the highest game impact while being immune to most other ships in the game.
>the ones that have the highest game impact
But that's CVs
In div? on par with DDs. Solo? lmao no. CVs have the lowest solo impact after BBs. It goes like this
DD>CA/CL>CV>BB
>immune to most other ships in the game.
When was your last game?
Today actually, and no, not dying the entire game does not mean you have more impact. Especially when most games are decided in first 5-10 minute engagement period
>most impact
definitely up there
>immune to other ships
lmao learn to aim
learn to dodge
Not him but I really need to try to maneuver more while shooting in high ROF DDs.
Pro-tip, kite away parallel to the ship you are firing at.
Thanks.
if you can't hit a gunboat dd (which are also larger and less manoeuvrable than hybrids) <12km in any ship in the game your aim and/positioning is the problem.
>DDs being immune to anything
did you just get out of cbt or something? stealth firing has been gone for a long time buddy, gunboat DDs get instagibbed by cruisers now
How many points do you get for resetting a line and how much does shit in RB cost?
First reset every 3 months is 20k, subsequent ones are 10k. You also get 10k the first time you unlock the RB, and a bit of change from daily missions. Ships are 43k (Emilio) to 63k (Slava).
Vampire 2 also ~45k?
Vampire is 55k. Emilio and Siegfried are under 50 just because they're T9.
>Siegfried
Forgot this shit exists.
I didn't even know it existed
>3x2 15" guns at tier 9
Jesus Christ I'd rather take a bullet
Worry not, comrade. Sevastopol will take Siegfried hull and throw russian magic on it *~~
The current iteration has a similarly shitty hull, but Goliath heal.
>shit
>3x2 15" guns at tier 9
On a cruiser. With cruiser accuracy. With over 20km of base range. It's one of the best ships at T9 actually, you just need to know how to aim.
You seem new, read this
https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Armor_thresholds#AP_overmatch
>On a cruiser. With cruiser accuracy.
Right, but it's not the only tier 9 battlecruiser, the Alaska for example has 9 guns, a much faster rate of fire, and retains cruiser accuracy
No, battle/supercruisers (those with 60 second fires) have worse dispersion than normal cruisers. Siegfried is the exception.
that's only meaningful if it also has the same sigma value as cruisers, does it?
True, but most cruisers share the same 2.05 sigma anyway. And sigma becomes more important with worse dispersion, it's less noticeable on cruisers. For example, Stalingrad has battlecruiser dispersion and the highest sigma in the game (2.65), but is overall less accurate than Siegfried with cruiser dispersion and 2.05 sigma (not adjusted for barrel count, of course).
I've never played the Stalingrad so I can't tell you how it feels to me, but the best comparison I can make that I have personally experienced is between the QE and Bayern, both have the same dispersion curve, 4x2 15" guns, similar maximum range, and even though the QE has only 0.2 more sigma, anyone can attest that the QE is certainly a lot more accurate.
As I said, it's most noticeable on ships with bad dispersion, like battleships.
There is this site where you can graph and compared accuracies (and even mess with parameters like sigma to see how much they affect the average shot).
https://jcw780.github.io/wows_ballistics/
higher caliber is a double edged sword though, so you get the ability to overmatch deck plating, but you likewise lose full penetration damage when you do penetrate it; in my 4,000 or so matches I've only ever seen a handful of citadels that weren't against a target within 30 degrees of broadside, and almost all of those were against cruisers who were traveling away, the rounds entering their rear belt armor, not their deck armor
If you think siegfried is spending any amount of resources over you are legit brain damaged. Accuracy doesnt matter anything when low amount of shells you have have shit penetration , no improved angles and meh damage. Going as far to compare it with stalingrad, the cruiser with best guns in the game is a total joke.
So you either own it as well, or you're talking out of your ass. Typical dumb tranime poster.
Post your solo stats in it Black person
62%, 1800PR in over 200 battles. This is solo, I div with moronic clanmates so it's worse overall. No, I will not post my profile.
>i need to eat a turd to know it tastes bad
Lmao
speaking of le 3x2, does having big guns even matter? the difference in damage between the smallest battleship rifles in the game and the largest is only a little more than 2x, and they're all going to penetrate if the target is showing broadside anyway; I seem to always do better in ships that have more, shittier guns (like Fuso, Izmael), rather than ships with fewer, bigger guns (like Nagato)
3x2 is moronic in general
Say I decide to return to the game and want to stick with cruisers because fun without being batshit like DDs. What line(s) would you all recommend for fun? I like having good accuracy, fire rate, and mobility, similar to how I played WoT years ago. I'm not terribly concerned about being able to soak a lot of hits but I know that, like WoT, there are certain boats that play above their peers and sometimes higher tiers.
Nevsky line, dont even bother with others.
Hindi, Henri, Venezia (shit rof tho)
Thanks folks I'll have a look when I get home!
Also Nevsky if you like radar.
I only play coop :3
Sorry to hear you have brain damage
I finally have enough coal to get a tier 9 creditmaker, which one should I get?
I'm leaning towards kearsarge because it looks pretty disgusting
Kearsarge is very good. Black and Neustra are borderline OP but the price reflects this and they're not that easy to play. The others are mediocre.
>Black
what's so good about it anyway, just the radar? other than that it looks like just a strictly worse Fletcher
Smoke radar.
Smoke radar with 7.5 km range and around 25 second action time. Meaning if you are caught and not careful you will get hammered while he sits there and farms you. Downsides , due to bad gun velocity it has trouble hitting targets at range, torps are hilariously slow but low conceal high damage
Get a t10, there isnt much difference in credit making because of perma camo.
Sherman,moskva, immelman, all 3 good. For t9, if you learn to play black is just OP. Kearsage has a tumor on top of it that is super easy to farm, when someone shoots at you you eat damage. And worse, the tumor counts as hull, not superstructure. So enjoy.
>the year is 2022 of our lord
>the 2x4 japanese destroyers still come after the 3x3 destroyers in the tech tree
Considering how easy it is to progress, tiers below 8 might as well not exist, why waste development time on them?
no that's exactly my point, why do the tier 8 and 9 ones have a worse torpedo layout than the tier 6 and 7 ones. it's not a small difference either, the triple launchers have nearly a 50% faster reload and an extra tube, even accounting for the better torpedoes at higher tier, the tier 7 still has 30% more torpedo DPM than the tier 9
The japanese tree is full of these contradictions, the Mogami is worse than the Myoko in rate of fire and (slightly) in hitpoints, all it gets in return is better gun angles.
>entire purpose for being built was to be an AA destroyer
>no DFAA
Why
God the japs made nice looking turrets
Russians have never gotten over getting btfo at Tsushima so they will use whatever excuse they can shit on Japan, and in a game made or financed by Russians at the start we're lucky Japanese ships don't just randomly explode at the start of battles
Is there another country that lets their national insecurity bleed into every facet of their existence, from reporting to game development, as much as Russia? The fact that fricking Neustrashimy gets DFAA and the Japanese AA destroyer line doesn’t is a laugh
USA
China
>Brits watching the weird little island they’ve been giving boats to prolapse the anuses of two entire Russian fleets
Whats the opinion on all the changes? Kind of amused that WG stripped away all bonuses from perma camos bust still charges a shit ton of doubloons for them.
We will see tomorrow the full implications
Ugh servers are up right now, why would we have to wait till tomorrow?
Probably EU, updates go live a day later
That is stupid, seems like it would make more sense to update all three regions at once.
update the smallest server first (NA), so that if anything catastrophic goes wrong, at least the larger servers aren't damaged
This is how software deployment is supposed to work. You get the most problems and support tickets right after an update and it makes sense to not answer them all at once. For WoWS updates go live in order RU-NA-ASIA-EU, 8 hours apart.
>another stupidpick a team and hope that all the other dumbasses on the server pick the same one you did so you actually get all the rewards
These events are not only dumb, they're also stupid
God I hope WG don't patch the camo sell prices before EU update. I can't wait to cash in on all these trash COD skins
So with the camo's having every bonus stripped away from them, does this mean that there's been a game wide stealth nerf since it takes away the -3% detection range buff?
No, its added to base values. But dispersion buff you get from camos is nerfed. So every gun is more accurate now.
Now that Azur Lane event will end soon, Arpeggio next collab please
>our full health Iowa lose in 1V1 against Moskva
>"Moskva is angle"
yes, that's how it works, tier 10 cruisers are better than tier 9 battleships in 1v1s, doubly so if there are good players involved, since cruisers have a higher skill ceiling
Will I get good MM if I buy premium time? I'm tired of losing.
no
lmao @ my life
You are in a battlecruiser or CA and find yourself at around 15km from a superior force, sailing more or less straight at them with islands 2 km on either side of you, do you dive for the islands and just hope they miss your cit or smash it in reverse and keep the bow pointed at them?
resign myself to my fate, continue bow on, close the distance and do as much as possible
>he doesn't have exhaust smoke
>he doesn't have any utility
love my pasta but no hydro or radar sucks when you want to go hunting
The utility is being able to kill a DD in a single shot.
not in anything but venezia and even them only if the dd is dumb enough to get caught in the wrong place. its a great ship but its far from perfect
ITA cruisers have long reload which hampers their ability to dumpster dds if they decide to just dodge
ITA cruisers are just shit, they have zero place in competitive, the ships are too long, too wide with big citadels. Your only play in the game is kiting away, sap has big damage but saturates very fast so when a bb just shows bow you do zero damage. Cope smoke is the only utility they have. Instead of crap tier AP, italian cruisers would have been much more viable to play if they had the ability to switch to HE
>shitaly
they're easily the sexiest boats
hot take, playing as AND against DDs was most fun before smoke nerfs, torpedo nerfs, stealth firing nerfs, hydro, and radar, but ALSO before they removed DD citadels and imposed the 10% damage cap for large shells
>italian cruisers are shit
every time one of them hits me for 15k in my battleship superstructure with SAP, I console myself with the knowledge they aren't good ships
So it's safe to sale all camo for money now since they don't provide any bonus anymore?
Yes, and then next year they'll reveal economic rework pt2 where camos are useful again
>+1600% exp?! this is massive! I'll keep it for later when I really need it
>never use it
>use it
>match goes horribly and your team suicides in 5 minutes leaving you all alone
I had this problem constantly in war thunder. I swear there was a hidden matchmaker rule that any time you popped a booster it dumpstered your next team lineup
>want Yamato
>to lazy to grind
Please bring her back.
homie play the dam game and utilize the xp bonuses. Started from 0 xp on the Lion this morning after upgrading everything and I'm halfway to the Conqueror already.
>play the dam game
Utilize the +1600% ship xp bonus and with 2 good battles you can knock out almost half of the Yamato grind.
>comp
Tier for tier which ship is better, Amagi or Izumo? I was thinking about skipping one of them.
Izumo is better, dont waste precious fxp on skipping t9s unless its absolutely necessary on utter garbage ships like neptune.
Amagi
since when was the fricking neptune bad? the whole british cl line is cracked
I personally can't stand it. Never been able to get a feel for the orbital shells it fires.
You are literaly the only person in the entire world that says neptune isnt bad. Do some self reflection
A little hard to believe since everyone says the edinburgh and minotaur are both really good.
Edi is good, mino is high risk high reward. Neptune has mino hull but doesnt have the sheer firepower of mino to make up the reward part. That is why its shit.
Non issue, they are the easiest ships to farm in the game.
>Non issue
kys
Your lack of skill and low WR is showing. Deplorable
>unironically recommending izumo
I am not recommending izumo you mong, but most techtree bbs are shit. Izumo is more managable than amagi. Its legit fxp waste to try to boost to yamato, when yamato isnt even that good without legendary mod
so what's the opinion on the economy rework bros
its better, saying its not would mean that that the person either doesnt play the game or is to fricking stupid to understand the basics of this game in the first place
you get everything more now including the free 2 play gays
just wait until the econ rework pt.2 *~~
>British battlecruisers
>mainly for medium and close-range combat
Jutland flashbacks intensified.
Remember when BB close combat was about drivebys and not torpedo jousting.
They really need to take torpedos away from battlecruisers. Its like peoples minds revert back to t2 battles as they try to rush in with the dd's at the start to get torps off but only end up dying and doing absolutely nothing
Instead we are getting the curved nonsense on bong BBCs.
Meh, it sucks but they had ability to set a heading that torpedo's would turn to when launched from a ship in WW2 so its not exactly that out there.
As long as ships like Yubari and Yahagi with absolute meme-tier torpedo arcs also get it considering torpedo attacks were a massive part of IJN cruiser doctrine
is it okay to join hotel if i'm a casual boomer
no the clan is dead and the main players all stopped years ago, join 2DQT or join some random clan
I'm on EU so I guess a random clan it is.
could had just gotten in touch with 2DQT since half/most of us here are in there but suit yourself
good luck
In case you have not joined some boomer clan just join us at 2D.
Do not join HOTEL, the existence of that clan is purely to bait people into a dead clan out of spite. 2D is the only place to go these days if your from here.
HOTEL is kill, we still have a few active players in BOTES though
I think he meant on EU server, also beside BOTES on NA is there any other burger clan from here anon that we can direct ppl from here to or is it only BOTES?
What supership should I buy?
None, because superships are cancer and you are supporting WG by playing them
Just estimated how much I'd make by selling all my camos
do not get baited by WG, wait and see what they do with camos
Gonna unlock the Conqueror tomorrow some time, how do you play it? I see a lot of people sitting back and trying to snipe with HE and being a complete non entity in the game or trying to rush and getting clapped by the entire enemy team.
Myoko is pretty fun, how's Mogami?
With 155s it’s a refreshing break from the rest of the Japanese cruiser line and about the closest you’ll get to HE spam without going to the gunboat destroyers. With 203s it’s Ibuki without a heal
>random battle
>Mix of T7's, 8's and 9's
>Some dumbass comes in bragging about how his secondary build for the KGV wrecks everything left and right
>Match starts, homosexual rushes in
>Gets absolutely shit on by an Akatsuki division
>Spends rest of the match b***hing about dd's being OP
Is it possible to buy Premium Time with doubloons or is it strictly cash?
>Is it possible to buy Premium Time with doubloons
Yes.
How? I'm scrolling through all the pages in the armory and premium and its only available for cash
Click at your name in the port and choose purchase premium.
How do I into gunboats?
If you’ve other dd’s on your team, especially knife fighters, shadow them as second line support, ready to melt whatever other destroyers they come in contact with. Not many destroyer players will survive getting double teamed when it involves a Japanese gunboat. If you are one of the only DDs on your team, it’s probably better to play more like a light cruiser, don’t contest caps early on, spot the big guys and be wary about getting spotted by their destroyers. If things are going your way you can smoke up and start farming BBs but otherwise that isn’t contributing a whole lot to your victory
I know they’re essentially the same ship but for some reason I just think Akizuki looks better than Kitakaze, can’t figure out why
I too am grinding this line, not enjoying the t7 so far though it's stock atm. Should I skip with fxp?
If you have the fxp to do so and don’t mind spending it go ahead. The tier VII is essentially a mediocre torpedo boat. VIII is where the gunboating begins with rapid fire 100mm guns in fast traversing mounts, but Akizuki is very slow and clumsy for a destroyer
Pretty much every techtree T7 DD can be skipped, they're all terrible compared to T7 premiums.
The Hatsu and Shiratsuyu are based as frick, some of the most enjoyable games I've had as a DD are with them.
>select more coal container
>they only ever give a little bit of coal
secondary builds are the gayest fricking thing they ever added to this game, it's so fricking bullshit that german battleships just carry a 10km zone of anal rape around them at all times, and they don't even have to do anything
Wehraboomers don't have reactions to sail and shoot at the same time, prease understando.
Horrible comparison.
>10km zone
If you are trying to get closer then 10km to them you are the problem, not the ships.
>Your lack of skill and low WR is showing. Deplorable
>secondaries outranging your dd guns means you lack skill
>There are subhumans in this thread that cant outmanuever a BB in a DD
I think I played against some of them earlier as I ran down a Delny with a FDG and got b***hed out for it
So, what's the meta in gold going to be? Is the venezia assassin bullshut going to be on par with the brindisi stuff from tier 9?
...can I expect the specifically gk player owning mid thing to taper off a bit?
You mean gold rank? Sniping GKs as usual.
Your ships shooting automatically isn't "running down"
I didn't have my secondaries aimed at the Delny, ran it over like the little b***h it was.
What class of ship does Yamamoto work best with? Thinking about running him on my Ryujo but I've also got a captainless Izumo that's been collecting dust for the better part of a year now.
DD, he isnt much useful in other ships. He is probably the weakest special commender.
The second I see Kuznetovs free heal pop off I instantly report that player
Report them for using a mechanic that WG put in the game? Are you actually moronic or something?
nerf Lutjens by 50% and activation by 250%
>he doesn't report subs and cvs
Something tells me they are going to nuke the xp consumables by a large amount. Literally just grinded the Conqueror in under 12 hours using the 1600 and 800% bonuses.
They won't change them. It will just be impossible to get more outside of lootboxes.
All the big ones are gonna come from random/sequential bundles. Not even SCs have them. At least they removed the camos.
>1.5% for a boat, 90% of which is irredeemable garbage
Which skill is better on a t10 bb, Vigilance for enhanced torp spotting and protection or AA/ASW Expert?
Both are useless, AA does nothing in BBs, your best torpedo protection is having game sense. Look up recommended captain builds for the ship you have instead of coming up with your own Frankensteins
I'm bringing my Elbing to ranked and there's nothing you can do about it!
Anyone who used the expanded mission progress and container collector in port from aslain modpack have it functioning? Doesn't seem to work after the update.
The complex mods usually need fixes after an update, it might take a few days. Mission progress is working for me though, but via Modstation, not Aslain.
You get one item to start his collection, then you can get the rest from daily crates. The end reward for that collection is a flag and alternative camo patterns for jap ships.
What comes in the Yamamoto container that you once you complete his campaign?
>most destroyers have 20-22mm HE penetration (except the germans) with their 5" guns
nevertheless, I get many times more HE nonpens with my American destroyers than any other*~~
Worst shell arcs and dispersion, shots land on deck instead of superstructure
literally doesn't matter just start fires. if you're not a shitter you just get volume of hits and yes non pens start fires
That's dumb, why lose on a bunch of damage because you're too fricking lazy to aim properly?
He sounds like someone with a sub 40% winrate and is proud of it.
>literally doesn't matter just start fires.
it does matter since nonpens can't start fires
>it does matter since nonpens can't start fires
That's just a straight up lie. Been playing the Queen Mary and I've had plenty of non pen HE hits start fires
Running a 17 point Captain on the Queen Mary is extremely amusing
>try a marceau game after patch
>75k service cost
Damn this is busted
the costs havent changed at all so frick off
you make in a shit game and a lose 300k in it already
>First 3 games with Conqueror
>150k, 195k, 130k damage
>All losses because cruisers and dd's suicide in the first 5 minutes
I thought people that play at t10 were supposed to be smarter then the players at t5
Is it worth buying the 800% boosts or should I convert the tokens to credits? One 800% boost is 140,000
Always buy the boosters, exchanging it for creds is legit iq test move. I think cred booster is the least useful one because if you do good in a t9 premium you will easily get 600-800k each match with a mediocre booster anyway. Other boosters are more valuable
I got like 500 800% ship exp boosters. Hopefully I can skip shit grinds with this
God weekend teams are the worst. How do you even manage to lose a game with 5 ships and 150k hp against 3 ships and 55k hp?
>moron with t9 premium talking about iq
ironing
>Your average game thrower mongoloid that doesnt know you can buy t9-t10 premiums by buying it from coal/steel /RB and tries to imply other people are dubs paypigs
>wasting premium resources on below t10 ships
Ranked, brawls and cbt happen at lower tiers. And t9 is still best tier to play because supershits are rare to see, and you earn most creds
What do you listen to when playing WoWs?
I like to listen to this when I play CVs
Yakuza OSTs
Maybe I should stop now.
IFHE on daring Y/N?
please respond
No. Only Harugumo line can consider IFHE (but it's not mandatory). Other DDs don't need it (except a few very odd premiums).
Tech tree hybrids aren't great. I guess you can try a gun build Halland.
not even american DDs are good anymore?
Even if you build Gearing for guns the shell speed is so bad you barely win against Shimas. It's still a good boat as a spotting bot with legendary upgrade, just not a good hybrid.
>bongs
I sometimes forget Daring actually has torps. They're so situational you might as well just play Druid.
>with legendary upgrade
wew I'm not anywhere near getting one of those, I only have 1 (one) tier 10. I hate how some of the legendary upgrades have severe drawbacks - like the Gearing's, and others, like Z-52's, are just straight upgrades
No legendary is a straight upgrade. You lose on other stuff you could have taken in that slot.
>Tech tree hybrids aren't great.
I got enough coal to get the Somers not a month after they removed it, feels bad
think I made a mistake buying the flandre. tried the secondary build which is admittedly more fun but either way it just feels very lacklustre
Have you tried IFHE? Most secondaries of flandre cant pen anything without it.
yes it was with ifhe. you still have to go practically flat broadside and you aren't built for brawling with armour, torps or hydro etc. I'm going to try it again now as a traditional fr fast flanker with brisk and conceal
Any word on when subs are put in the tech tree? I've come to terms with the fact that they're here forever but at least don't give them as rentals to fricking drooling tards who never got past T6.
my guess would be around after jap cruiser release? all eyes gona be on them and the PR event that release around 2nd stage bongs
Why does kagero feel like a big downgrade from akatsuki?
its not that its particularly a worse boat but there are many strong dds at t8 and the weaknesses you have to be conscious of are more pronounced
These new boosters are fricking moronic, just grinded from Mackensen to Schlieffen in 6 hours.
They only seem busted because we haven't run out of them yet. Previously if you got 50 camos from a supercontainer those had 2-3 bonuses. Now you get 50 of a single bonus. Same with dragon flags.
At this rate I have enough of them left for ~15 T10s. I don't think there's that many that I even want.
Do you think they'll be nerfed? The outrage would be huge.
The nerf is already here but it is in the rate at which you get these items. When the (monthly i think) combat mission that gave you 3 of each dragon flag appears again, you can compare how much wg fricked us over.
in 2 months they will be a bitter memory
>~56% solo win rate from tier V-VII
>~54% at VIII
>>~51% at IX
>damage numbers/kill/cap numbers continue to climb as I go up the tiers
>number of games where team throws the match in the first 4 minutes skyrocketing out of control
>number of matches where a entire flank gets folded by a single submarine blowing though the roof
>number of matches where opposite team holds all caps for the duration of the game exploding
What the actual FRICK is going on at high tiers in this game man, and why do the mid tiers feel more intelligent than the ultra high end ships driven by players that presumably have thousands of battles under their belts?
>ultra high end ships driven by players that presumably have thousands of battles under their belts
Does Moskva have bonused credit income or do the former techtree ships not have that?
these new french battlecruisers are the most annoying ships to fight in the entire game, they're insanely survivable
What is this boat good at? I got it out of a container and all the posts, reviews, videos, and guides are from like 2017.
it's not really great at anything, it's an OK torpedo boat, it's an OK gunboat, the only thing outstanding about it is its top speed, it's fast for an american destroyer
Back before the great AA nerf, it was pretty decent at tricking a CV with full AA build and de-planing it, but now since AA is useless there is not much of a reason to spec for it. Was really good at Operation Dynamo when that was around
best hybrid DD line in the game? I'm too bad to do consistently well with just guns or just torpedoes
Bongs or eurotrash. Harugumo sub-line also has a respectable torp power.
>best hybrid DD line in the game? I'm too bad to do consistently well with just guns or just torpedoes
if you have trouble I suggest Daring and Grozovoi since both have heals and nice consumables which makes them little bit more forgiving.
Range or reload for Annapolis?
>range on americans
do you like suborbital shells?
Yes
Range mod and spotter plane Worcester 4lyfe
cumming on shipgirl bellies
I will not play this game however
based
I'm gonna add Fubuki to my spank bank, thank you
fubuki is the best
shipbros
where do I acquire Fubuki gf
I showed this game to my grandpop with azur lane captains and he just quietly walked away. What gives? I'm trying to connect with his generation
He just went away to have a quiet fap over the maids.
my granddad (Royal Navy) is dead now but he used to laugh at the idea of Russian ships
Tsushima, Severomorsk, The North Sea Incident, can hardly blame the chap.
did he die from laughter after seeing a Russian ship
light cruiser btw
long reload btw. its right in the middle of light and heavy cruiser
>wg defence force
>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T STATE A FACT ABOUT A SHIP, IT'S RUSSIAN SO IT MUST BE OVERPOWERED
>busted armor
>busted hp
>laser guns
>it's totally not op
>light cruiser btw
>cvs in brawl
why
Because german BB players are subhumans and deserve to be shat on at every occasion.
i exclusively play german bbs and im probably better than you
>it's another "55% shitter thinks he's good" episode
>dead player starts giving shitty advice for current engagement
>quickly fire back a message saying why his advice is shitty
>dead player immediately starts digging through my stats for my current ship and explaining why I’m bad
kys Vita
>it's a cv statpadder thinks hes good episode
For some reason I'm enjoying the amagi alot. I thought the jap bb grind was going to suck
You'll want to have a nice day at the Izumo tho.
Why do you not directly reply? Are you the guy from /msg/?
It's ok, I have 400 1600% boosters for izumo
>shlieffen immediately runs to B line at match start
German Battlecruiser players are fricking moronic and should be gassed on sight
at the start of every match I count the number of german ships and the team with more will lose almost every time. if they're in a div its guaranteed loss
What did German bbs do to you that you have so much sub psychotic rage for them
its not the ships themselves, its the absolute apes that play them. german boomers, wehraboos, just press Ws, all kinds of morons
seethe
I play my german battlecruisers like DDs and I have a 60% winrate, l2p
didn't ask
Man what is with the tiers on the console wows?
why are you a replygay moron
>Preussen
>Tries to bow tank my Conqueror
>Earn Arsonist/Witherer in before first 5 minutes of the match has passed
>Feel like the game is going to be a cakewalk
>Glance up and see my teams 3 dd's and 4 cruisers are already dead while half the other BB's are crippled and hiding behind islands
There really needs to be some sort of basic IQ test in game that determines if you are allowed to play in t10 ships
>enemy CV from top clan talking shit
>look up his stats
>only plays CVs in 3 man divs
>barely 55% solo in surface ships, mostly by statpadding at T2/T3
and yet he was still better than you? embarrassing
>finally got the alsace
>had like 10 lost games streak with it
No WG, I won't spend any money on your game.
>watch enemy Russian BB with reasonable amount of health ram a nearly dead allied BB
>both die
>call him a brainlet
>immediate tirade of slurs
>check profile
>hidden
>clan recruiter
>playing my tirpitz
>enemy kremlin on the other side of an island
>he's not moving, just bow tanking against some british battleship or something
>reasonably conclude that he's a shitter
>come around the corner, he shoots me for 30k damage (wow!)
>torpedo him, then quadruple cit him for 50k damage
>he dies, never once making an attempt to move and turn or anything
>check his stats after the game, 67% winrate, 120k average damage
fascinating, so this is the power of being good at the game
>dragon flag monthly now giving only 2 of each booster
kek
remember when islands of ice wasn't fricking bad? I do
Absolute garbage. Maps that favour island huggers over everyone else should only exist in CB.
except, there were no island huggers back then because they got nuked by CVs in one pass
>log in after many months
>just happen to have Giulio Cesare
Bros?
You probably got incredibly lucky from a supercontainer and forgot or didn't notice. They do give out ships to returning players who didn't spend money but GC is absolutely not one of them.
>edgar and patrie are auction ships
I feel like even Asian cruisers are more survivable.
>sit broadside
>get paddled
shocker
Angling helps only to some degree, the ship has extremely vulnerable shell traps at its citadels to even angled you can get citadeled. Especially at long range plunging fire and very short ranges. If you open water in it you wont survive for long
such is life in cls. I don't really know what the solution is tbh. without overmatch bbs would just get bullied all day, but with it so proliferated it feels shit as a cruiser to cop a stray shell or two and lose a trade
I this PA CLs have the advantage of being so lightly armored that AP may just overpen on broadside instead
on this note what should I do as a CL when my team lemming trains and abandons a flank at the start? in a dd I can spot and slow the advance with torps of harass bbs, in a bb I can kite and slow them for quite some time too, but in a CL I just get wrecked especially with multiple opponents pushing that you can't just juke
You div up with a DD or a CV. You're not supposed to play CLs solo in randoms.
Use the islands, in a lemming situation you have to notice it happening beforehand and not lose your focus on battle by ignoring minimap. This is the biggest mistake lot of people make, even people who played this game for a lnog time. They dont look at minimap enough and see how things are going. If your team is doing a lemming runaway from the flank you should take precautions beforehand. For example run away even before them, if you are a panasian cruiser spam torps to the advancing enemies , if american cl run to an island that will allow you to retreat if needed while raining hellfire on advancing enemies. Brits can disengage easier with their smoke if needed while torping and kiting.
Honestly only panasians and mino suffers extremely from stray shells citting them. Other light cruisers are fine.
I am on french cruiser line atm. I like them in general but they feel weak compared to italian that I just got to venezia (both start cl and transition to ça I believe)
Is lighthouse venezia doable?
Yes, but it loses every last bit of carrying power, only do it if you're average or below. Oh, and you absolutely need Sansonetti for the range boost.
>carrying power
>dumb Black person doesnt understand how carry works
carrying means slaving your ass away while your team suicides
Alternative is what? Act like a dumb Black person that damage farms and gets no credits and rewards at the end of the match because game was a loss ?
>work hard and lose or chill and lose
Theres no hard work in that. Game is very effortless once you learn it
>get decent enough at DDs to not be a drag on the team
>all the other classes don't feel impactful enough to have fun in anymore
It's over.
Welcome to the club, congrats on finding out dds are the most op class, other classes are fun o play in div. So if you arent already in a clan apply for it, thats my advice.
this is why I suffer now since I play more than my friends and I prefer cruisers, but I don't want to touch them solo
>highest skill floor
>highest skill ceiling
>most impactful class
DDchads are the master race
I honestly feel cruisers have a higher floor but lower ceiling
High dpm cruisers and ones with great radar like Moskva can carry like dds. WG compensates bullshit overmatch mechanics by ramping up cruiser dpm to make them seem balanced on paper
>le i am better
kys Vita
>cant improve in game
>cant carry
>cant cope with that
>has to make anonymous seethe posts
Lmao, wont even give a (you) for that cringe posting. Keep seething scrub
>le heckin anonymouse
stay in you cuckshed discord
What was Huron again? A shittier Cossack?
It's a Haida that trades the crawling smoke for better reload and heals, absolute trash.
How is that bad? The crawling smoke is a meme.
It's not quite fast enough to be hard to hit and even meme smoke is valuable at T7 because radars are rare.
Fair point, but I don't miss being devstruck by a Haku in a BB.
You get as many reserve slots as needed. They're free and permanent.
Accurate BBs exist but shitters don't like them because they highlight how hard it actually is to aim well on dodging targets. Keep at it, it gets better as you go up the tiers, just avoid the germans and italians.
"Accurate BB"
Slava and leggo mod yamato, satsuma, incomparable
Those are the only accurate bbs that matter in game , thats it. Even they have rng that fricks with them. Aiming is easy, game literaly tells you how many seconds to target and you have a dynamic reticle to count lead. Rng fricks you, not bad aiming.
Even if you're playing Slava, your target has 10s or more to react at long range. Aiming is anticipating the turn, guessing the direction, knowing their turning circle and rudder shift to compensate, armor scheme in case you don't overmatch everywhere, and judging their exact speed. Aiming is "easy" on your average randoms subhuman, but not on everyone. Some form of innacuracy helps compensate for this, particularly if you alpha strike is many times the target's health. Sure, RNG exists, but even if they made a BB with Elbing accuracy, 90% of players would suck in it because, like you, they think "aiming is easy".
Its not as complicated as you make it sound as it is. Hindenburg and montana has similiar flight times, but one of them hits the targets more consistently, while other can bracket the sea. Its all about dispersion. Have the correct lead, see if he is turning, adjust accordingly and fire, that is it. Dispersion compensation is only really useful when targeting dds. You dont get "i am too accurate" problems unless you play something that is crazy accurate llke ragnar
Static one doesnt help you with anything. Enjoy fricking up your aim every time you change ships with different time on targets. You only just screwing yourself by using a non helpful bar scratched on your targeting lens, just like soviet pilots who drew reticles with paint in early war because they didnt have sights
???
all the reticle needs to do is show you a line level with your point of aim, so you don't shoot behind or in front of the target, it's irrelevant for lead since just shooting by gut will give you better results, that's why the dynamic reticle is just a distraction
dynamic greatly increases your chances of first salvo perfect hits by matching the known speed of your target (and adjusting based on what wake, smokestack etc you see)
^this
You can frick up eyeballing things , especially at longer ranges where TOT can change dramatically. Zero reason to use the regular reticle
Just got a double strike on two rangers. Am I decent yet?
What are milestones for returning players?
I wanna get as much as possible from installing this turd again.
Question bump
This sums it up pretty nicely (obviously not my site/codes)
pretty sure there's much more than that
If I reset a line, what happens to the commanders if I don't get enough places in reserve?
how can people enjoy playing bbs? I absolutely can't stand my hits being RNG instead of my aim it makes me absolutely seethe like nothing else
I dont, its one of the most frustrating classes to play. Hence i am a cruiser chad
>there are people who use the dynamic reticle
>be Des Moines
>go island hugging and achieve noting (or get deleted by a CV)
>go open water, do a reliably mediocre amount of damage and die because everything overmatches me
I just don't know.
Its a rough experience, i have the same problem with her. Best advice i can give is keep island hugging but dont keep engaging bbs that overmatch your bow when they turn around and start shooting you, the armor model is very bad you will get nuked if you try to do fair trade. Its no moskva. Just reverse back when they start looking, disappear from sight, and when they turn to other targets pop out again. Best case scenario, dont even be visible and fire over low islands. Only time you push out is when bbs arent around or totally alone and you can out DPM with HE other cruisers
just stop playing any cruiser or bb that relies on concealment to be effective. CVs killed that playstyle
how do you even manage to die to a CV in a ship with AAA as good as des moines
if a CV player is competent no AA on any ship in the game is a good deterrent
No AA stops the first strike, but having to waste a full squadron for one strike is a good enough deterrent. The problem is AA powercreep and AA builds being too expensive for a small benefit.
Should I
Lmao, no. Its among the worst t9 bbs.
DM doesnt have good AA, AA most of the time doesnt do anything. Especially when you are stationary near island and get AP bombed.
bruh
if you wait more ofc
If you wait for months/years (no known rule or pattern) and never spent any money on the game, they might give you a premium ship (T7-T8), but it won't be a very good one.
Bros should I play one battle every 90 days so I can get the free 5 mil?
That is stupid, with average booster, a win, premium account and premium ship you make close to 600-800k credits each battle . That is 20 minutes max.If you want 5 mil just play the game normally. Credits are worthless anyway.
Some people posted their referral codes in previous threads, you can use those instead of wg shill websites.
>boosters
>premium account
>premium ship
I dont have any of those you paypig
poorgay detected
>boosters
Just play the game and they magically appear in your account
>premium ship
Lot of ships are "freemium" for coal, steel, RB . If you dont have any of them you arent playing the game
>premium account
Lots of sales , coupons etc. happens. If you are serious about actually playing the game it costs nothing in comparison to the time you spend in it.
So all your questions answers are just play the fricking game. It amazing how most people that b***h and moan about lacking this or that end up people who arent actually playing it
>give your hard earned shekels and become a mindless consoomer
Not today satan
>play the game with 50-60 percent gimped income on everything
>waste your boosters by earning less base xp
and gain zero fxp
>dont take advantage of birthday cashbacks, new year half price premium account
>cry you cant get anything in game and cry about consoomers
>That is stupid, with average booster, a win, premium account and premium ship you make close to 600-800k credits each battle
More like half that and half again now that you can't reduce the repair bill of your ship
>autistic bittervet with six gorillion farmed resources talking about how credits are worthless
If you arent grinding research bureau it is worthless, if you are grinding it you are a vet with billion resources too so zero reason to complain. 5 mil credits are literally nothing.unless you are a newbie that stared playing, in his case its probably better for him to advance at the tech tree more slowly rather than faster.
Is there any benefit to researching the 420s for the FDG or should I stick with the 406s?
6 of one, half dozen of the other; i run the 420s on FDG and on GK, most people keep the 406s, it's whatever you prefer
>6 of one, half dozen of the other
anon, I...
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/six_of_one,_half_a_dozen_of_the_other
>6 of one, half dozen of the other
the frick does this even mean?
There isnt because you want to get out of that stupid shit ship as fast as possible only to move on to another stupid shit ship that you wont ever play again unless you are a stupid german boomer.
>pic related
skill issue
Premium ones outright replace TT ones. Jean bart, bourgogne. So no TT ones arent worth it.
>t9 shitty wooster
>steel
are french bbs any good? sure they get speed to just flank bro but they lose out on gun calibre, accuracy and armour. firing angles seem tailored for kiting and being able to dictate range is nice, but you're never going to out trade ijn bbs or soviet bbs. if you push in even a little you're going to get burned to death as every he spammer in the game loves you. you've got some of the lowest dpm in the entire game. so basically you have to wait until late game, contributing very little to your team, hoping that it goes well enough that you can then position well and hunt targets. am I missing something?
Once you get to the Lyon they are pretty fun. Before that they are absolute trash. The Richelieu was the most enjoyable for me, kind of meh on the Alsace.
I mostly want the richelieu anyway tbh its a very pretty historical ship
>am I missing something
Yes, instead of "waiting" you spam HE at max range and deal worthless fire damage to enemy BBs so your stats don't look atrocious. That fricking line has low match impact even for BB standards, the only ships worth playing are the JB and the two 10s, maybe the super.
which shipgirl(s) is(are) wife material
>casually wearing a shirt with thighs exposed
>2 cups of a hot drink, one presumably for (You)
>small but shapely frame & chest
>cute smile & blush and cute hair
frickfrickfrick
>skill issue
Shit meme kys
skill issue
not a meme when you obviously have it *~~)
>2 3
>3 3 8
>plays exclusively metacancer
>umm sweaty no, ur le bad
I don't like cruisers because they require you to actively not be moronic.
>dd avg win rates all between 65-100% from tier V to X
>cruisers 30-50
>bbs 30-50
not sure where the frick its going wrong for me in other classes. my cruiser stats and positioning and gradually improving but the WR still hovers between 45-49%
the game drops you into teams with morons once your wr is about to break 50%
I'm just over 50% so this may be true
with cruisers possibly but I always use all my heals in bbs and try my best to push as appropriate and force trades on me instead of supporting cruisers etc. practice makes perfect anyway hopefully I will see more of my mistakes with time
Solo carry potential in randoms
DD>CA/CL>CV>BB
Ranked is similiar but you have lot more game impact. Its better for cruisers, worse for BBs. So you might give that one a try.
For randoms, honestly unless you are dd, try to div up. If you are in EU there are 2 Ganker clans that are active.
You might be selfish damage farming from max ranges too much. To do teammate suicide prevention sometimes you must act as a shell bait. Each shell that is targeting you when you are angled and dodging is a shell that isnt going to your broadsiding moron teammate.
>thinks the CV isn't the most important ship in the match
>recommends shitter clan he's probably in
Pottery
by virtue of breaking the game's spotting mechanics sure but you're still a c**t
When your moronic teammates dont take advantage of the said spotting, its not as useful outside of divs.
CVs haven't been the most important ships in a match for a long time, all you can do is tickle things now
more like gayest ship
Currently on the Trento. Are all SAP shells this slow? I have to zoom out one bit to lead.
No, it gets much better at T7 and better still at 8/9/10 (they use the same shell). High tier SAP shell travel time is within 10% of russian railguns.
ah yes the 12k tickles
I'd say so, remember when you could hit for 60k+ with every flight?
fun to see CV apologists always ignore how spotting is one of the worst things CV's do, never mind the unstoppable damage with how shit AA is
Sounds exactly like something that somebody that has never played CV's would say.
>implying
And I got the Legendary mod back when you had to actually play the ship to earn it, now all I do is use it and a few other CV's I've earned/received for snowflakes and possibly some missions in co-op, since I will not use CV's in random anymore
hello drooling moron
Of course I never played cvs. I am not a homosexual statpadder. But I see a squadron eating 8k flak volley and still getting the drop off.
>b***h about cv's
>never played them
Into the trash your opinions go
>y-you can't criticize the artist without being an artist yourself waaah
kys
that was when AA did something
kys
Hi flamu, still butthurt about the Kii match?
Can you read
Or is it too hard to comprehend written text?
streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeem snippar
Whats the best ship to farm credits with that you can purchase for under 10k doubloons?
>that was when AA did something
AA on its own never did anything, it was only the DFAA consumable that was strong
DFAA and the Fighter when it latched increasing the drop spread.
>of course it's vita
Make you profile public you doubleBlack person
Start clicking post numbers so we can see who you are replying to first homosexual
Keep seething ))
Whats the difference between National Voiceover and National Voiceover+ in the audio options?
national + has collab voices, azur lane, arpeggio, transformers, 40k etc.
>KGV winrate 58%
>Monarch winrate 44%
I give up.
Stop trying to HE spam and play like a normal bb
It doesn't have armor or pen or sigma to be a competent T8 BB.
That is balance by the moron player base that can't put a shirt on in the morning without nearly strangling themselves to death.
Try the new british bb line, they are going to be better and not just dumb HE spammers.
They are going to be speedy HE spammers.
looks strictly worse than german battlecruisers to me
at least you don't get lumped in with german bb players though (the worst in the entire game)
>the worst in the entire game
German BB players don't hold a candle to shimashitters.
shimashitters can at least be useful by spotting. german bb players just throw a slot and 100pts down the drain
german BB players are consistently bad, but even the worst shima player occasionally dev strikes a couple tier 10s
Finally caved and free xp'ed my way out of the Izum and to the Yamato. I feel so dirty.
the izumo is great
You fricked up, izumo was ok ship, now you will have to suffer in other lines.
I am seeing less shimatards in tx games, not because they are less moronic but they seem to be picking other ships now.
Are you moronic, anon?
Why are low tier maps so frickawful?
I have no clue honestly. they throw noobs into even worse meat grinders with terrible lanes and massive mountains that take up 1/3 the map
>wanting to sail that turd with a trash turret setup
>weekly mission for superships now gives RB points instead of coal and steel
I don't mind now that you need RB points to get legendary modules instead of just playing the ships
NEED Fubuki gf
Give alsace a spotter or 2km range
Personally I'd be happy with tighter dispersion. Gets annoying as frick having my shells just go what ever fricking direction they feel like regardless of where I aim.
I got invited to a random clan and they want me to try grind a t10 for clan battles. They tell me I can go whichever ship type and TT i want but I'm not a good player with only a little over 100 matched played mostly on CV and would like to not be dead weight. I was thinking schlieffen but I hear bad things about German BB's. Any recommendations for what line and ship type to aim for? Are destroyers easier than cruisers? Or do I go for a battleship?
ditch them and join a clan from here
if you have only 100 game played you should try all lines out, if you wanna have the most impact learn dds, cruisers only if you go meta for starters, stay away from BBs cause useless class and only there if you suck at all other classes
Am I shit or do battleships just suck? I fricking hate this.
you're just shit
Okay, so I suck. How do I git gud, then?
Don't sail in straight lines while in combat, you have a rudder for a reason, don't show your broadsides unless its the only option you have, don't be afraid to fall back and repair, don't charge in like a moron if its just you or one other ship on the entire flank, don't play German BC's, don't actually play the game and just act like you do and shitpost here
BBs suck, you are there to get damage farmed and get trolled by overpens and shit dispersion.
t.
People actually need to use aim assist mods in this game?
Aim assist is built in. If it wasn't, subhuman german ship players would average 2k/match.
yes, and they weren't even considered banned modifications for a long time until people had a nuclear meltdown on the forums and WG changed their mod policy
Nah, i just hate morons getting away with playing bad infront of you because wg said lmao to your rng
God damn Venezia is comfy.
maybe stop playing german bbs *~~
that's the way it is for every class in the game except cruisers, if you are in a BB people get away with being bad in front of you because lol dispersion, if you are in a DD people get away with being bad in front of you because they or someone else happened to accidentally mash their hydro key, if you are in a carrier people can get away with playing bad in front of you by press AA button
For other classes not really, because in DD you have both torps and guns, you have thousand options to deal with other people. Get them perma spotted etc. Just because your torps didnt hit because someone decided to turn at an unfortunate time doesnt mean they are inherently rng and people got away with bad plays. For CV there is no rng involved and AA can be worked around. If the area is too heavy with aa you just go pick another target easily. But bbs can only push left mouse button and watch as people get away with broadsiding infront of you
ah the "aa works" meme
that's right, AA works
t. wooster player exclusively
Agreed
t. Halland and Friesland enjoyer
>turn on sector
>dfaa
>cv still drops
yes very effective aa
So what AA is supposed to instantly delete planes?
Says that the homosexual that refuses to click the post number he's replying to.
Which g*rman BB line should I grind?
new one, old one is shit
they are both gay
Nothing like getting b***hed out in ranked for running flags I don't have equipped and not having a camo equipped now that they do literally nothing.
>flags
israeli requirement
>camo
revealed themselves to be a moron
>distant voyages containers only drop the camo, not bonus package
I really fricking hate the eternal power creep.
Looks like someone was playing shit tier ships everyone told him not to play for years and now getting angry at t10
Hello Wg. Nice deflection.
you deserve to suffer cause "muh meta ships" arent worth your time
>you deserve to suffer to suffer because you aren't riding wg's wiener whenever they release a new next best thing
Just post whichever tech tree lines you have Black person and complaining about
shitter spotted
god i cant imagine being you, getting farmed in your shit ships cause you are to much of a brainlet homie
ironic is that half the meta chads switch every two games to ships that are fun while you cuck dont wanna even wanna get good in the game to begin with
Why do pasta torps suck so much?
Assuming you're talking about the ones on DDs. If they gave them good torps we would have ended up with an entire line of Paolo Emilios, and while that ship is fun, having too many of them makes a match frustrating because they can trade with pretty much anything.
What do you expect when they're made out of spaghetti and in the water?
>I'm a good goy to WG I'm such a chad
>most meta ships are tree ships
>wants to stay bad and plays only shit that loses other players matches
>wonder why bad
>I'm le good because I ride WG'S barbed schlong and buy myself into ebin schliefen and cherbourg lines
Furgay spotted.
so what's meta atm in randoms?
depends on tier
bet half the ships you own are premiums, stop coping
There isn't really a meta in randoms, you can get decent results in any ship if you're good enough. There are, however, some ships that have been powercreeped or trade off effectiveness for ease of use and shouldn't be grinded or bought anymore if you don't have them already.
toober kite meta aka you recieve 100 dmg you kite into the next map
since we got so many toober shills on here i am suprised non of the tier 3 subs posted any of their fav. le funny big numba videos about "meta" picks
what the frick are you saying
Which aircancer line is the most cancerous?
Soviet, others are far beyond.
midway is the best t10 tree cv you can play to win matches, if you wanna just farm numbas go russians
I just want my pain to be inflicted on others.
t4 japs or germans
you solo win games
>lost 5 karma one game during my hosho grind because I carried my team to victory
What's the point of discussing meta.
Almost all good ships are closed behind insane either paywall or grind.
Also if you don't own thunderer, smaland, smolensk, missouri, musashi, jean bart, alaska or asashio you are nothing but a pathetic shitstain in this game, filled in to be farmed by ships above.
Of course if you are still striving, get daring, petropavlovsk, conqueror and nakhimov.
you forgot to mention halland, gearing, alex, kremlin, schlieffen
and for rb vampi, ohio
halland is also good, yes
gearing, kremin are in pathetic state
schlieffen was nerfed
nevsky is a mess compared to hinden, but overall any cruiser suck compared to pp
you know, I thought a bit and would put nevsky on the line with hind, and also dm, maybe stalin too, but they are still average cruisers
>plays CV
>wonders why he's losing karma for it
>muh karma
so how fricked am I wanting to farm german CVs?
Don't, they're awful in so many ways it's not even worth describing.