Worst cliches people do that needs to die out? I'll start.
>you see this guy? he's evil. I will show you how evil he is by making him not care about his allies or underlings and killing them himself for failure.
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If you have a problem with specific thing your GM or player does, tell it to them, rather than random strangers over an anonymous Tibetan tanka weaving forum
If you've ever spent any time in a management role, you'll understand why they'd want to do it.
Fpbp, sp almost as good.
>stop discussing tabletop games on /tg/
Lame. Leave OP alone.
But OP isn't discussing games.
Hell, even his example is unrelated with gaming.
Besides, your complain only works in a visual medium, with hard cut to the bad guy executing his minions. Meaning - you don't even play, but b***h about make-believe scenarios anyway
But that's classic villainy. Why do you hate classic villainy?
>Besides, your complain only works in a visual medium, with hard cut to the bad guy executing his minions
That's not true, the players could be present and witness it themselves in any number of ways. Hell, check it out, the recent Transformers game actually gave it as a Hangup (flaw) for Megatron.
>But that's classic villainy. Why do you hate classic villainy?
...because it makes no sence it's carrot and a stick, not stick and stick.
Such heroic nonsense! You'll never be an evil overlord with that attitude.
Every other game I've been in, there's some sort of lolrandom gnome/halfling druid or wizard that goes "I'm Scramblo Gazettetrop, I was raised in the woods and love pranks" and will be this frustrating mixture of the most powerful rules lawyer known to man and someone who will never, ever take any sort of story or roleplay seriously. They'll just transform into a meerkat or climb on the barbarian's shoulders (to steal his sword with Mage Hand), if they're not draining the fun of combat by putting every opponent to sleep or just transforming into a dragonturtle.
Have you tried not playing DnD?
I'm not him, but sadly those kind of players are everywhere. If not a gnome in D&D they'll be the wacky Malkavian in VtM or prankster Ragabash in Werewolf, or lol-so-random Dwarf Decker in Shadowrun - those sorts of morons always find away. I've seen that sort of player in almost every genre.
Hm, I never play any of those systems you mentioned, and I never have that problem. I conclude that if you only play the most famous and heavily advertised systems, you get the most basic b***h players. But also, either GM yourself and kick them out, or find a GM who will.
Nah, its not systems that cause bad player behavior. Its bad players. They pop up from time time and can be in any type of game. If you've not encountered these literal jokers you're just lucky!
Gonna back
up on this one.
Forgive me, this will be the millionth time I've used Ganker as an example in /tg/, but it applies to anything that is a "game", which /tg/ may have in part of it's name:
Goblin Techies is a playable Hero in Dota and Dota 2 (simply as Techies). They've recently been overhauled for the third or fourth time, which should already indicate to you just how much of a fricking trail it was to deal with and play alongside a Techies player.
The longest Dota 2 match I remember was around 8 hours long, the Morphling ragequit 2 hour in to catch a flight, logging back into the game afterward to find the game still going. On his team was his allied Legion Commander, with over 2000 duel damage in stacks, capable of instantly killing anybody with a single attack, and almost unkillable herself.
On the other poor little team was a Techies.
Techies plants mines. For the inevitable League of Legends comparison, it's Teemo, except all of his abilities are the ultimate ability. No sprinting, no invisibility, not on hit attack mods, just fricking planting mines and only that, all game, oh, and killing himself, he can just press a button to die instantly, it's that kind of character.
There are no limits to how many mines you can place.
So consider what the game looks like after 8 hours of the Techies player doing nothing other than planting mines in his team's base.
Techies is intended as a joke character, the image of a Techies player is a cheeky, wienery, casual doofus, but of all players in Dota 2, of all the manbaby screeching typical of a /vm/ moron and of a MOBA player, Techies players are the ones who in every case refuse to lose, and don't care who's time they're wasting. They will not stop until they've won.
So it checks out. The ones playing the "goofy fun" characters are the most stringent as players towards the DM and everyone else.
I'm stealing the name Scramblo Gazettetrop to use the next time I make an Arcane Trickster
You can't kill the BBEG or you'll be just like them.
I was about to post and say that I don't mind cliches and tropes and they kind of need to exist and you need to just use them properly and so on and so forth. Then I saw your post.
>You can't kill the BBEG or you'll be just like them.
This. I want this one to die. It's so fricking stupid.
It can be done right, but most of the time it is Bill basically Jesus, refusing to Super Stalin' Hitler, after casually murdering their conscripted young soilders, who don't even support them.... or Bob barely ambiguous, killing Major Mao Tojo and being reviled for it.
Why would anyone follow Skeletor though.
>Why would anyone follow Skeletor though.
Because you nonsensical nincompoop, he is SKELETOR! The evil lord of destruction! The true ruler of Eternia! Conqueror of Dimensions! The Beast of Gar!
And besides, when you look like this furry freak and fishy failure, what other choice do you have in life?
NOW GO MY MINIONS, AND BRING ME THE HEAD OF HE-MAN!
Man, thank god I didn't grow up with whatever is on that screen.
Well if you want genuine intimidation there's also the one and only good scene from He-Man: Revelation.
>quoting some homosexual new netflix anime he-man
NGMI kiddo.
Somehow I forgot we had a third he-man. I remember the one I was... roughly -1 years old for, and didn't run for a full season.
That was pretty bad, it remindes me of Sonic '06 when Sonic dies.
I don't have the context for the scene, but why did Skeletor let the two girls live after killing Adam, surely he should push his advantage. What are white hairs motivation to be able to just stand next to the heroes, but betray them first thing.
I said full well that it was the one and only good scene, didn't I?
Kino.
>I said full well that it was the one and only good scene, didn't I?
I don't like it, but appears to be bad, though I don't have the necessary context to declare that.
Oh boy I hope you never find out about Fortnite He-Man
Damn, that's barely animated
If I want intimidating-but-still-scenery-devouring Skeletor, I'll go back to Frank Langella thank you.
It's written stupidly by stupid writers who don't know why it's such a powerful plot point to have in any story.
I consider it the greatest of all tropes, and the most butchered of them, too, because it requires the villain to not be a cartoon who is responsible for all the world's evil, but rather, a system that is being abused by bad people, meaning that killing the bad guy doesn't fix the broken system, and it will just happen again.
Most good kids shows about action heroes take that concept and make it easier to digest, without being too preachy
>Evil is an ever present force, the villain was just a product of it's miasma. It's our duty, as the good guys, to keep doing what is right, regardless of how hopeless it seems. We must never give up hope
Isn't being a cop an example of this IRL (a cop who violates procedure by killing a criminal when he shouldn't, would be considered a criminal himself for it)?
Should be applicable enough.
OP being a homosexual is the worst cliche.
OP being a moron is a close second.
The Classics:
>Orphans. EVERYONE'S an orphan.
>Sad bois. EVERYONE has a tragic backstory
>Whedon/Marvel Humor (bathos)
>Mary/Gary Sue stand-ins.
>Purposely attempting to derail the game because "That's the fun of it!"
>enemy nation is called some sort of "the evil kindgom of satanic evility and treacherous snakes"
>adventurers' guild
>isekai or however it's spelled
>master of magic, martial combat, and guile
>player character is an orphan
>YOU GOTTA SMITE ALL THE EVIL, BOY paladin
>alignment charts
>wacky joke characters like teehee macaroni
>no kill, no xp because monsters are pinatas
>everyone is blatantly good or evil because character nuance and moral subjectivism don't exist
>"you all meet in a tavern..."
>only one bad guy, like the campaign is a shitty saturday morning 80's cartoon
Ugh, typical lefty
Take a look at this Anon's question
and go back to your containment thread
I will never understand the anti DnD hate. It's fine
I never mentioned dnd. Those god awful tropes relate to any generic fantasy rpg.
he's right? or are these joke posts?
I can't even tell what's a joke anymore.
Is this bait, or is it humanly possible to be this wrong on accident?
>t. never-game going full meme
Ironic, given you complain about memes
>he thinks teehee macaroni is real
Teehee Maccaroni is the bane of my fricking existence.
Every fricking campaign that my GM runs inevitably at some point involves running into an npc named "Teehee Maccaroni," who the GM affectionately describes as "an epic level sorcerer who's also a moronic nudist gnome."
Teehee Maccaroni wander the countryside with a unique Rod of Wonders powered by "moron magic" shoved up his anus, and he casts the Rod of Wonders by diddling his penis. He says nothing but his own name in different inflections and the phrase "I like-a the goodberry, gimme gimme the goodberry." The GM thinks it's hilarious to have this character show up during the middle of encounters we're struggling at and start jerking off magic everywhere.
But the worst part is his chant. He wanders around chanting his name, so when he's about to show up the GM will start low;
>Tee-hee-hee, Maccaroni Maccaroni
>Tee-hee-hee, Maccaroni Maccaroni
And then get louder and louder until he's fricking shouting
>TEE HEE HEE, MACCARONI MACCARONI!
>TEE HEE HEE, MACCARONI MACCARONI!
And the table loves it! The other guys I play with think this is the best shit! Teehee Maccaroni has been our table's de-facto inside joke, our signature "running gag" for six years now. When that chant starts up, everyone else joins in like a ritual; the whole table is expected to start chanting "TEE HEE HEE, MACCARONI MACCARONI" by the end, and every fricking time I refuse because this is some embarrassing circa-2002 Penguin of Doom shit, it's always the same thing; "There goes Anon again! No fun allowed around Anon! Anon's just a big grouch who's getting angry because we're making him touch Teehee Maccaroni's penis again! Why won't you just let us have fun with this character, he's just here for dumb fun, you stick-in-the mud!"
These motherfrickers are all over 25 years old.
Teehee Maccaroni is going to be the death of me.
>tolerating this for 6 years
You're more moronic than teehee macaroni
>setting where adventuring doesn't make sense
>all the dungeons have been mostly looted already
>paid less than a normal job makes
>you shouldn't be able to confidently beat town guards or orcs 1v2
Like, I get it, you don't think adventuring makes sense but that's a really shitty setting to use for adventuring.
Never understood that. What is the GM expecting the players to do in that case?
All "cliches" are neutral unless they specifically point to a contradiction. In which case the flaw is in the contradiction, not the fact it's "cliche".
>you see this guy? he's evil. I will show you how evil he is by making him not care about his allies or underlings and killing them himself for failure.
BY STRANGLING THEM AT DISTANCE!
>come to /tg/
>complain about things that bother you in anime and videogames
>implying over half of /tg/ dont insert anime and vidya into their games with disastrous results
It's almost as though most Anons here don't actually play tabletop.
>area has more than one race inhabiting it
>can instantly tell which one is intended to be good or evil based entirely on how human they look
>big monster/demon/dragon is somehow weaker than a human sized character/stronger in their humanoid or shapechanged form
MING THE MERCILESS LIST
A response to the Evil Overlord List.
If your villains don't follow this list, then they're not real villains.
>1. "Evil is it's own reward."
>3. "Don't waste your time on a name that pretends you're a good man. Why conquer the universe if you're gonna spend the rest of your life being a spin doctor?"
>4. "Morale of the subjects is pointless. You're an overlord, no their life coach."
>5. "You can have a daughter as long as you use tough love. Spare the bore worms, spoil the child."
>7. "OF course annihilating an entire city to kill one man is impractical! But it's stylish as Hell, and when you've conquered the universe, what else have you got to look forward to in the morning?"
>8. "There's nothing wrong with a last request. If someone in your own prison can't manage to stop an escaping fellow with innocuous items, it saves you the trouble of executing the guy yourself."
We don't know what #2 or #7 are, and we have one that isn't numbered:
>"Don't listen to advice from people who think they know better. If their advice is so good, why haven't THEY taken over the universe?"
>setting has beastfolk
>they're all tribals/primitives as usual
>And the bunnygirls are horny
Cliches are important and communicate in shorthand what would otherwise take a long time to communicate, getting in the way of playing the game. Thus cliches are based.
i'd rather portray the villain as intelligent and charismatic. there is a reason people follow him after all.