Worst heroines?

I hate when the writers try to force me so hard to like a bad character instead give me a reason to like it

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >"I DON'T WANT TO BECOME LIKE MY MOTHER, REAN!"
    >literally becomes her mother

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I keep hearing she is overhated for being sort of a c**t in CS1 but that she is one of the few characters that really changes as the series goes on.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lol
        5 games and her character arc walked in circles and returned to the same place but worse (Her family plot sucks)
        There’s a lot of characters with better characters development than her
        Her “biggest” change is: She dropped the “tsundere act” at some point and become a generic heroine that only exists to be one of MC’s wienerslave
        Almost irrelevant to the story

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Emma fits in very well thematically (and as a bonus she has an interesting parallel with Vita as well as Rean and Crow)

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ops this is supposed to reply to this

            what are some non-bad female characters that could be the heroine then? laura and emma are also boring.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Emma
            >Got her spot stolen by her familiar
            Familiars should've just been extension of user and not it's own thing

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Did we ever find out if Grianos actually had free will and could talk like Celine can? I forget if it was ever addressed. Either way Rufus was a dick for killing him just to flex.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Got her spot stolen by her familiar
              Which spot? It’s Emma who guided Rean in the end of CS1 and finished her job in Thors.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              This argument is always funny because it is too reductionist and tries to diminish a single character when the problem extends to the entire game. Celine has practically no relevance other than giving some expositions that, often, have no relevance whatsoever to the story or the group's actions and only serve to give tips to the players. The expositions that Emma gives are also not very relevant but they help to understand her actions in CS1. The Cold Steel cast always makes the decision that will “delay the plot” so that the games can last longer. In the end, none of them are super relevant to the main events because there are few really “relevant” events.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Falcom tries to make everyone relevant to something but in the end no one is really relevant because there are too many characters. If Celine didn't exist, the story would change very little. If Alisa didn't exist, the story wouldn't change much either. Same for Emma. Emma has the relevance of using magic that is important for several moments in the story(like stop McBurn or teleport) but is never the definitive factor/only way to solve the situation. If we erase Alisa from existence we would lose a main character linked to the RFs but that wouldn't change much of the story either. I think the main characters in Cold Steel exist most of the time to be Walking Expositions because Falcom doesn't care about story.
                Falcom wants to keep adding useless things with the excuse of “worldbuilding” because it’s easier

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lol
        5 games and her character arc walked in circles and returned to the same place but worse (Her family plot sucks)
        There’s a lot of characters with better characters development than her
        Her “biggest” change is: She dropped the “tsundere act” at some point and become a generic heroine that only exists to be one of MC’s wienerslave
        Almost irrelevant to the story

        I think the good part of her character arc is growing out of being a stupid kid that speaks in justice and morality and instead takes a more proactive approach to arguing with her mother. Instead of just b***hing she puts her smarts and tech to work to show her mother how things can be rather than relying on her mothers less than moral business tactics.

        Main problem with Alisa, like most CS girls is they really try and force the relationship with Rean as a major part of the stories. So much so it feels unnatural when you go from a cute scene with one to another and there's a clear sexual tension that is never followed up on unless you choose them at the end of the game.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Instead of just b***hing she puts her smarts and tech to work to show her mother how things can be rather than relying on her mothers less than moral business tactics.
          Never did anything relevant

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >she puts her smarts and tech to work to show her mother how things can be
          By directly working under her mother in her mother's organisation?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Literally putting her money where her mouth is. She was a child who was the only the daughter of a conglomerate CEO, she had no way of altering the company either through product design or moral tactics.

            Instead, she gained an orbal engineering education from multiple respected heads and clearly earned respect from her peers for actually doing something. Something which is shown, during CS4, where during Crossbells occupation she was functioning as a link between other companies as well as a branch manager. Her mother is too business oriented to listen to emotion so she goes out of her way to provide well devised reason.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Something which is shown, during CS4, where during Crossbells occupation she was functioning as a link between other companies as well as a branch manager.
              They never really showed her abilities to act as a link between several companies like you said. We were just told that. In fact, I don't believe this requires much since the characters in Trails always accept anything with nice speech. If Falcom wanted to show that Alisa is good at what she does, they should show good conflicts so that she can prove that she is good at bargaining with complicated and skeptical people. Instead we have their employees treating her like she's a big deal but she only has 1 year of experience and in CS2 she said she didn't know how to run a company. It's very forced and not very believable

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I would argue it's hard to show that. What do we know to cement Alisa's mother as a CEO? That she sits in a room and discusses whilst looking professional?

                But I do get what you mean. Falcom has a problem with telling instead of showing.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Literally putting her money where her mouth is. She was a child who was the only the daughter of a conglomerate CEO, she had no way of altering the company either through product design or moral tactics.

            Instead, she gained an orbal engineering education from multiple respected heads and clearly earned respect from her peers for actually doing something. Something which is shown, during CS4, where during Crossbells occupation she was functioning as a link between other companies as well as a branch manager. Her mother is too business oriented to listen to emotion so she goes out of her way to provide well devised reason.

            On an additional side note, for character comparison, you have the character of Juna who is similar in the way of her trying to push a moral standard that she stands by every day of her life due to learning at the Crossbell police academy. This is the main reason I didn't care much for Juna, because her big character arc in CS3 is losing Crossbell to Erebonia and having an emotional breakdown when terrorists invade. The difference is tantamount that she's just a kid who doesn't have the ability to do anything about it at the moment.

            If I wanted to be pedantic, Osborne as a character, regardless of his motives, made his way through the government in order to enact change he sought. How is that any different?

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That true ending route was pee pee poo poo

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I loved the true ending route. That final shot was kino.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fully agree

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Breast Implants

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Genuinely what was Falcom thinking with Alisa's timeskip look? How do you aim for "smart female executive who is also a JRPG heroine" but land squarely in "hooker"?

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what are some non-bad female characters that could be the heroine then? laura and emma are also boring.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        made for crow

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Like Persona, CS doesn’t need a main heroine with the dating simulator
      But if the idea is to have a “more important female character for the plot” then it would make more sense to be Emma. Towa is not a bad idea too. Just remove all the romance from the main story

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They did fine with Estelle, Lapis and Agnes EVEN IF KURO 2 IS TOTAL FRICKING DOG SHIIIIT Laura while boring made for a good complement to Rean. Alisa doesnt have a particularly good contrast for Rean, doesn't complement Rean, and is a bottom tier tsundere for 2 games

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fie, Emma, and Altina

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Has to be retroactively added to Azure so she doesn't look like a crazy person

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Fie, Emma, and Altina

        dating your student is immoral

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          *immortal

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        alisa is the 2nd worst heroine
        do you know why?
        juna is worse
        I was happy to play with rean again in cs4
        that’s how shit juna is because I fricking hate rean

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        She's from Crossbell meaning that she's a moronic jobber, frick off.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The cat had more meaningful interactions with Rean outside of bonding events than all other heroines combined.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The funniest part is that there are 2, arguably 3 tsuns in this game and she's the worst... by a lot.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    She was pretty bad when we were forced by XSEED to play in English but now she's fine.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    how do you gays still play these games after all these years?
    i might make a thread somewhere else about this in the future, but falcom is no company to make a long standing series

    the company is literally the wienerroach of gaming, and it's designed for only one thing: survive. It will abandon any fanbase, it will cling to any trend, it will appease to any kind of homosexualry, and they'll rip off anything popular if it means they will survive

    compare the series from its roots to where they are now, they simply do not give a frick if it means they can survive
    the company will probably outlast the gaming industry itself, which is ok, but definitely not the kind of shit you want to be invested long term

    even if they have you now it's a matter of time till they drop you if it means to survive, it's a fricked up relationship anon, you need to move on from these games asap

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      okay buddy which games should i play instead?

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Alisa is best girl and canon.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >best girl
      In a world with just alisa she is the number 2
      >canon
      Tita uses a cannon. Alisa is just a thief trying to steal Tita’s Orbal Gear

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Alisa is the sexiest in the CS1 cast

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      BTFO by Emma

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >playing games with named female characters

    cringe

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Alisa is honestly fine. there are far far worse character crimes in this trash

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Got banned off /vg/ for being rude to SEAfriends and now you're shitposting on Ganker huh
    Well like we told you on the Falcom general Alisa is great, same as Cold Steel 3 which is the second highest rated Trails game btw

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      30 reviewers at best (insane stupid people that still play this garbage series)
      The score is not that high
      Trails is a joke

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what are your favorite games?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Persona 5, Final Fantasy 7 and Dragon Quest XI
          Good games unlike the shit Falcomslop
          If Metacritic score is the truth so I am not wrong

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's really funny how Alisa doesn't achieve anything close to her utopian goal. In Daybreak there are weapons of mass destruction that make Railway Cannons look like just a normal weapon and it's even funnier that the Reinfords had to give technology to Calvard to make even more powerful weapons.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like every Trails game.
    I like very Trails character.

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