WOTC responds to allegations

>$30 USD is nonsense
>they DO read feedback
>AI DMs are nonsense
>homebrewing will never be charged
Happening cancelled.

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Noooooo what will I make videos on now?!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Your mother's astronomical bodycount, your father's blown out bussy?

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I can't stop sucking dicks.
      Have you tried just not sucking dicks?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm sorry about your condition, Anon. Don't worry, DnD will still be there for all your dick-sucking needs, you just need to shill out $30/month for it soon.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's a steal if you think about it. At $30 a month that's a dollar a day for dick

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Congratulations, you understand the question being asked. Your analogy comparing playing D&D to sucking dicks is a little crude, although correct.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah that's a pretty apt analogy for playing DnD.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The difference is that I don't like D&D but I love sucking dick

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, it was awful.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Second post best post.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, I've played 3rd edition and 5th edition, and neither were D&D.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Look at this gay shitting on 3rd and 5th like 4th was never a thing.
        AD&D or bust, bitch.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >pretending like 4th edition was ever a thing
          Anon, everyone knows that it went 3.0, 3.5, 5. Just like Windows went 8, 8.1, 10.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >3.5
            As far as I could ever tell that's just a number they used to define something as a supplement to the core material.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah man. SotDL and WWN are my jam. CoC is fun and so is FFG SWRPG. Wouldn't mind playing in a game of M&M or WoD if someone else is dming. I've had a si-fi itch and want to try Cyberpunk Red even if somethings in 2020 are better imo. I know my gruop... red is more their speed.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah but every other fantasy system on the market is steaming dosghit in comparison, at least I can homebrew 5e into being a fun and functional TTRPG with minimal effort.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Let me recommend Advanced 5e, form EN publishing. It takes the basic formula of 5e, and improves it in every single way. Rules are free online and the books are relatively cheap and loaded with content.

        https://a5e.tools/
        https://www.levelup5e.com/

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Alright /tg/, recommend me a better system
      Any system really, I not picky

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A better system than D&D? Well, there's Pathfinder, Zweihander, GURPS, Mork Borg, Pendragon, Dungeon Crawl Classics, Old-School Essentials, Microlite, Warhammer Fantasy, 13th Age, Worlds Without Number, Dungeon World, Shadow of the Demon Lord... really anything that's a fantasy TTRPG that isn't D&D or FATAL is better than D&D.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        for fantasy: Sword World
        for horror: Call of Cthulhu
        for Cyberpunk: Shadowrun
        for emo/goth: Vampire the requiem/masquerade

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Are you japanese?
          Anyhow, I would life to play sword world one of these days.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Personally i'm just sticking to old TSR-era D&D.
        Not like there's a reason to care about the OGL there when everyone can just say "OSR compatible" and skip mentioning the stats for orcs.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Personally i'm just sticking to old TSR-era D&D.
          Racist.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You have anything else to say other then bait

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            We're anonymous there's no need for compliments.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Consider a generic system if you want to more easily broaden your horizons beyond fantasy. Genesys is a good one.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Actually, I kind of want to play a weird west system
          I know there's deadlands, but are there any others you would recommend?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Deadlands is the big one, so you might want to just start with that. It's build on the Savage Worlds engine, which is a generic system specializing in pulp adventures, so you have a jumping off point to try other things if you go that route.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Wasn't Deadlands an original system that got ported to Savage Worlds

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How different is Genesys from FFG Star Wars?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            FFG Star Wars and Genesys use the exact same core dice mechanic, to the point you can use your old FFGSW dice in Genesys (except the Force die, as Genesys doesn't use that). If you already know FFG Star Wars, you know at least 85% of how Genesys works. You just have to learn the refinements of the latter system, like careers, the talent pyramid, and some other things.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Into the Odd/ Electric Bastionland

        >No offense, but I don't think it's all about wokeness at this point, it's more like the creators and publishers are also completely inept at their job.
        >Japan publish literally gay (and also trans) comics, and those sell like hell.
        As much as the term is misused by idiots on the right, wholeness isn't just gay characters existing. Wokeness is better conceptualized as the need for representation and the hamfisted politics rather than the existence of the character. To contrast that, when a manga comes out about a gay character, it's generally a story that is in some way about the gayness, and it's not gay because we need more gay, it's gay because the author has something to say about it or they just think it's hot

        I have literally never seen a right winger use woke to mean anything but demands that you participate in idpol in a specific way

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I've seen it more as anything they don't like. Really it's lost so much meaning it's become a space filling buzzword. Ask them to actually define woke, and expect either no answer or real round about ways of "I just don't like it".

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >people know it when they see it, but can't define it
            Yes, this is true of most people's understanding of just about anything. You need to read between the lines and see the water they don't realize they're swimming in. They don't like it because they know it's a game they're being asked to play that they don't want to play. They don't know the rules of this game exhaustively enough to dispute it, because they don't care. They just know they don't want to play.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Listen bub, if you have to "read between the lines" and it's nothing more than "just don't like it" unless you're so hopped up on stimulants you're 3 hours away from shadowmen or a schizo going through your symptoms, it's become a meaningless buzzword for "I just don't like it"
              I mean for fucks sake "pronouns" are woke, despite the fact I used 12 before the end of this (13) post.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Hmm, I wonder if there's a reason some things are woke in some contexts but not others. If only there were a heuristic which explained the difference. Perhaps stated earlier in the thread? No, that's crazy.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Pronouns aren't woke in and of themselves. The concept of "personal pronouns" as a label one requires others to use when speaking about them are. If you can't see the difference there no wonder you have trouble understanding "woke".

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Define woke?
            Easy, garden gnome backed globohomo chud-bopping moron-loving feminist queer bullshit.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Anon, you know that post isn't going to do anything other than make them think they are right don't you?

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Those are all buzzwords albeit

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's so backwards I don't even know where to start. Even the most bastardized use of the term isn't a call to action, it's an accusation.

          I've seen it more as anything they don't like. Really it's lost so much meaning it's become a space filling buzzword. Ask them to actually define woke, and expect either no answer or real round about ways of "I just don't like it".

          I literally did give a more substantial use of it that that in the post he was responding to.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not sure if you just have poor reading comprehension or if you're deliberately pretending to be dense. "Woke" is indeed an accusation, namely, it insinuates the accused is demanding that someone participate in idpol in a specific way.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The fuck are you on about?Woke liberal gays are the ones obsessed with ID politics.
              Get X scholarship if you are X, Y or Z color, get Y scholarship if you have X gentials but not Z genitals, etc.. etc.. etc... You asinine "progressives" are the ones obsessed with filing people into categories based on their genetics and gentialia.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, please just read what was written and take it to mean what it says. I think you've imagined a disagreement where there is none.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's not me, I wrote

                Your post was poorly worded, anon. Even knowing your intention I still read "Woke is demanding that..." as "woke is a demand that..." Rather than "woke is saying someone is demanding that..."

                , and while I may not agree with your choice of words, we are in agreement on substance. I think the anon you're responding to is just trying to stir up trouble as the thread dies.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Your post was poorly worded, anon. Even knowing your intention I still read "Woke is demanding that..." as "woke is a demand that..." Rather than "woke is saying someone is demanding that..."

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                "Woke" is when you demand someone participate in idpol in a specific way.
                Is that better?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, I think that is clearer.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Alright /tg/, recommend me a better system
        Call of Cthulhu
        Cortex Prime
        Dark Heresy
        Chronicles of Darkness
        Shadow of the Demon Lord

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Do people play Cortex? Seems too convoluted

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Cortex is the easiest system on the list to play even after you add 5e. Players only have to learn like, two rules to play Cortex. How to roll and how to spend hero points.

            You don't even have to learn chargen in Cortex since chargen is fake anyways.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Prime is a very malleable toolkit that needs more, and importantly *more generic*, examples. Some bog-standard game types as example character sheets would be super
              Mechanically it's straightforward, though some of the campaign options can be a more tricky to grok and use well.

              I've looked past the pozzed writer and tumbler artists to try to read the rulebook at least half a dozen times because it seemed vaguely interesting, but the rules seem so inexact that they aren't interesting anymore. As far as I can tell it's literally just a roll and keep using GM defined slates of dice pools with next to no abilities or interaction beyond simple conflict resolution.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                You have the right idea of the game. The system runs fine in practice but if you think you wouldn't like it then you're probably right, it's a narrativist system at its core like Fate. Its strength is that compared to other generic narrative systems, its core mechanics are much more universally flexible and you can apply it to pretty much anything easily without hacking. Compared to something like the aforementioned Fate which is more of a core that demands homebrewing to function.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Prime is a very malleable toolkit that needs more, and importantly *more generic*, examples. Some bog-standard game types as example character sheets would be super
            Mechanically it's straightforward, though some of the campaign options can be a more tricky to grok and use well.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Literally any other version of D&D, including similar games
        GURPS
        Heck, just make your own system. It's actually not very hard if you aren't trying to copy a modern monstrosity of a game.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Rune Age

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    lel, and the OGL we saw was a 'draft', right?

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >NOOOOOOOOO STOP LEAKING THE LEAKS ARE ALL FALSE NOOOOOOOOO
    have a nice day JotC. No one believes you anymore. Dumb fucking leftoids.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Jesus Christ, I don't think I've ever seen a company so obviously in desperate damage control mode.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Tells the truth
      >Get accused of damage control
      Take your meds.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You misunderstand. I believe that the tweets are honest. But tweeting out that thread in rapid succession? That's definitely an attempt at PR triage.
        They clearly tried waiting for it to blow over, and have now been scrambled to actually do something about it now that it clearly isn't going to.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I believe that the tweets are honest
          Stop posting until you develop enough brain cells to connect with reality. Thanks.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Rapid succession? You know they probably had it written out beforehand, right? Twitter has rotted your brain.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If some of the reporting is to be believed, they lost close to 10% of their D&D Beyond subscribers in one weekend. There is no company on Earth that loses even 5% of its customer base in one weekend and doesn't hard panic.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lost around 40,000 subs inside of a week - near to a quarter million dollars a month, if I'm not mistaken.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >yeah this multi-billion corpo who has lied in the past is totally not lying right now!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fucking this
      >$30 subscription fee is false
      But our new subscription model, with optional add-ons, bonuses, and extras, will come out to $30 or slightly higher...but they're optional!
      >No one is working on AI DMs
      But we're pleased to announce our partnership with AIDungeon or some other 3rd party contractor, who designed A D&D Ai to Gm for you! Check it out, and don't forget to pay their subscription fee!
      >we have designers blah blah blah blah
      We have interns to examine your feedback for key points that we provide to them, to confirm that all of our choices are always correct!
      >Homebrewing is core to D&D Beyond
      Ehh, I'm sure they'll keep the ability to plug stats into a basic sheet, that one will stay

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        is core to D&D Beyond
        >Ehh, I'm sure they'll keep the ability to plug stats into a basic sheet, that one will stay
        Honestly it’s probably more likely because it would cost them more to develop a system to lock out homebrew unless you pay.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The hilarious thing is that DnD Beyond ALREADY requires you to pay to use Homebrew. There is already a system in place that locks it out if you don't pay.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not realy, just have the option to use it not show up unless you pay and log in. Not hard.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >lie in their apology that the OGL 2.0 was only a draft when they sent contracts with it
      >lie again when they mention it was for inclusive policing of the community and blocking NFT development (they already issues cease and decese letters, and hasbro wanted to make NFT power ranger stuff)
      but this time for sure, they are telling the truth

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The D&D persecution complex is hilarious. If wotc denied leaks that the new ogl will secretly harvest your semen while you sleep you'd all be wearing chastity cages to "own hasbro"

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How much is WOTC paying you to run damage control? Because after the past 3 weeks of lie after lie after LIE, nobody is buying it. Even DnD fans aren't THAT retarded.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Your content will always be yours!
    >But you grant us a perpetual liscence to sell it if we like it, and we won't give you any money.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Have you tried...

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A long time ago. Just here for the bantz.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        People being perfectly capable ofnplaying different games does not justify the owners of the most popular game acting the goddamned clown.
        And if WotC turns a profit on acting the goddamned clown, other companies may take it into their heads to start looking into wearing some bigger shoes.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >And if WotC turns a profit on acting the goddamned clown
          then they were right, in a business sense and weren't the clowns after all. If WotC turn a profit, what are you gonna do? bitch more and continue to not pay?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What are YOU going to do when it goes from "Have you tried not playing D&D" to "Have youtried not playing D&D and Pathfinder, and Shadowrun and WoD and Genesys and.."

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              i just learn let it go over the years
              no comics
              no star wars/ star trek/ lord of the ring films
              no major video game releases
              and eventually no TTRPG

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Only politics discussion, it's the only thing that gives moron m00t his digital shekels,

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's a fucking problem dude. I'm the same way. My hobbies have shrunk over the years and it's not due to my tastes changing but the industry being changed by parasites running them into the fucking ground. I'm glad I have the classics but it's not right these fuckers keep doing this.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh boo hoo you don't get to enjoy everything for free like a leech.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nobody said anything about free until you just now

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You did. You dont want to pay for a sub so you cry and whine about how they ruin your game. Pay up or shut up, you are being nothing but a leech if you only buy omce and let others participate and use your books or only have stuff they are no longer selling or not paying them for new monthly stuff. you are not supporting them. You are a parasyte.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not wanting to rent digital products which you can't own is healthy behaviour. The hobby and the industry have done well without anti-consumer tactics and nothing has changed. Greed is the only motivator for denying ownership of products.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't want to pay for subscription because it's not a healthy business practice. My support for them comes in the purchase of their completed products and playing them with my friends. That is how it has worked, and how it should always work. Every single retard company that gets the bright idea to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs dies while further polluting the market, if you want to support that be my guest but you type like a fag and your shit's all retarded.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Have you tried not playing D&D and if you did, then have you tried digital piracy? I always download before I pay. I did that for ACKS, I did that for World War Cthulhu, I did that for Conspiracy X, I did that for Golden Skies stories, Godbound, and the Dragonlance SAGA system. There is literally nothing stopping you from checking out the RPGs first and then paying if you like it.

                Oh boo hoo you don't get to enjoy everything for free like a leech.

                have a nice day corporate shill. Seriously make a helium exit bag and have a nice day. You are a disappointment to your parents. Your mom would cry and then feel relief, your dad would just feel relief. It would provide closure to them if you just fucking died.

                [...]
                I've no interest in defending WotC, but you should at least understand the youtube/twitter freaks who pushed this fake $30 thing would be just as bad at the helm of D&D. They have no more principles nor integrity than WotC themselves. A decent person truly interested in the D&D community would have held off on pushing the fake rumours for engagement.

                You too, same.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Have you tried not playing D&D and if you did, then have you tried digital piracy? I always download before I pay. I did that for ACKS, I did that for World War Cthulhu, I did that for Conspiracy X, I did that for Golden Skies stories, Godbound, and the Dragonlance SAGA system. There is literally nothing stopping you from checking out the RPGs first and then paying if you like it.

                This isn't the problem at hand. The --precedent-- is the problem. No one gave a flying fuck when horse armor was a thing in Oblivion. A few laughed, some thought it was fucking retarded. Now here we are 16 years later and the gaming industry is absolutely gutted. When industry leaders start making astonishingly greedy and stupid decisions, it has a greater likelihood to damage the industry as a whole. I can still pirate games now. Most of the time I don't even bother anymore, because most of them are not even worth the time spent FREE. I worry that will be the same in the future for ttg's as well.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                AAA videogames are too big to make by small studio. TTRPG system can be done by three guys in half a year. dont worry we are good

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fair enough, you do have a point. I'm just leery and sick of good industries being fucked up by bad practices. I suppose for ttg's it's not going to be a huge problem.

                AND YOU CAN PIRATE THOSE THINGS TOO!

                moron I'm literally playing Skyrim right now with ALL the DLC and Creation Club content unlocked because I pirated it! What the fuck is wrong with you? Just pirate shit.

                [...]
                Also this, yeah. Like my "favorite" d20 system is made by one dude and a couple of periodic collaborators.

                Again, the paying is not the problem anon. I don't pirate that many games anymore because there are increasingly few that are worth playing at any cost, including the cost of time.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Good. Do more productive things. Like make your own RPG. I am. It's very fun.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >. I suppose for ttg's it's not going to be a huge problem.
                it will be to some extenet. Public image of hte industry might turn people away or make them sxpect different style of gaming. But WotC nor any other shitty company have the power here. System is and always be secondary to the cool story your table makes

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                AND YOU CAN PIRATE THOSE THINGS TOO!

                moron I'm literally playing Skyrim right now with ALL the DLC and Creation Club content unlocked because I pirated it! What the fuck is wrong with you? Just pirate shit.

                AAA videogames are too big to make by small studio. TTRPG system can be done by three guys in half a year. dont worry we are good

                Also this, yeah. Like my "favorite" d20 system is made by one dude and a couple of periodic collaborators.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The TTRPG market isn't going to be gutted: it's already completed. We have more good games than you can play in a lifetime, widely distributed in PDF, and actively viewed by hundreds of thousands of people.
                Just... Pirate and play. Who gives a fuck about money? Nobody should be making a living on this hobby, for the same reason I shouldn't expect a career in jerking myself off in private.
                If you need new content: make it. If you don't want to, you don't need it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          WotC collapsing would be fantastic for the RPG industry. The last time D&D collapsed in the late 80s-early 90s, we got a plethora of new innovative RPGs like Shadowrun, Earthdawn, Vampire the Masquerade, Kult, Synnibar, RIFTS, and so on. These games were able to grow and not be choked out by D&D.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Never played kult whats it about?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Gnostic themes. It's kind of like mage the awakening (nwod) but the gribblies want to keep humans from awakening and you're fighting the gribblies.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >People being perfectly capable ofnplaying different games does not justify the owners of the most popular game acting the goddamned clown.
          Except it literally does. D&D players have encouraged and contributed to this for over a decade. It's the same with shitty, predatory company- all people have to do is not give them money, but consumers will always shed responsibility with mental gymnastics like "It's popular so how can it be bad?"

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you know they're only sorry they got caught because we won't see a single high level exec get axed

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They also had a mid level guy who has only been employed there 3 months to apologize on behalf of WotC instead of the actual CEO. Must be too busy attending cocktail parties.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nah. The CEO isn't the one saying it because it's a larger legal risk for them if the CEO says some blatant lies than if they have some underling make the same lies.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're still pretending that a document signed by executives was a "draft". It literally, legally isn't once signed.

    If they can't even stop lying about it now, even 5e sheep are going to leave.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I’ve already left for pathfinder.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >going from shit to rotting shit
      D&Dtards are like flies.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What system do you play than?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://bundleofholding.com/presents/Alternatives

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >BUY NOW
            no thanks, shill

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You left D&D for D&D

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Okay cunt, recommend me a better fantasy system.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nta but how do you feel about warhammer fantasy roleplay?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Playing in GW's shitty setting with their okay system
            I think I'll pass.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              What version of PF do you even play

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Homebrew world 2e with numerous 3pp shit.
                People tend to forget that you don't have to play on Golarion because they weren't exactly retards on what made D&D popular.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Meh, it's not surely worse than the pathfinder one, the old world (at least in its earlier incarnation, around 1e-2e) is a fun place where everything is purposely exaggerated for the grotesque reinforcing the picareque feel of the characters. The pathfinder one instead leaves me with a plain sense of "meh" as in its a kitchen sink fantasy land that gives me the impression of taking itself more seriously than it should.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I've heard decent stuff about GURPS Dungeon Fantasy and Mythras.
          But i'm also content with AD&D 1E so ymmv.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It would seem that WotC doesn't want anyone publishing anything new compatible with AD&D by way of OSRIC either.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >make up a lie
    >this is a lie
    >they're only sorry they got caught...
    what a stupid thread

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >in a huge controversy
      >fabricate a different controversy
      >"We're really sorry but that big controversy isn't real you can just ignore us now"
      I'm not this stupid.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the shitty letter didn't calm people down
    >MORE DAMAGE CONTROL
    >MORE DAMAGE CONTROL
    >MORE DAMAGE CONTROL
    Subscription fees for services that don't exist yet can be change. AI DMs can simply be rebranded as " video game dungeon crawl mode". Shilling the discord doesn't change the fact that there are too few DMs and too many players and that harms their product. Designers aren't hired to read survey feedback. They're hired to write pretend elf games. Feedback has been widely ignored over the last several editions of D&D. Homebrewing "not going away" doesn't mean they won't make it harder to enter content into their system to use instead of paying $40+ per book to have content appear in the dropdown menus.

    None of their plans have changed and the only thing they'll take from this is to research the best possible way to spin each new announcement so people don't get on their case about being a bunch of fucking scumbag gays.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    shill thread, move along

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >>they DO read feedback
    That's not what they said though, is it? They said "compile, analyze and then act", reading is not mentioned whatsoever. They also don't deny the allegation that the write-in fields were conceived to suppress complaints coming in via other channels.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is this supposed to distract from the reworking of the OGL in order to give them more control and monetization options in the future?

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They can backpedal as much as they like but nothing short than trashing the OGL tout court and releasing oneD&D on ORC or CC-BY-SA will help regaining face with the community.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All this shit is unrelated to the OGL - its one leak from a dndtuber that was countered by people who worked at WOTC until a few months ago publically. And when he asked his source what's happening the source backpedalled on his own claims.

    WOtC is full of shit, but so is this dndtuber bringing up this random unrelated issue and giving the company a free win.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thing that should have been clear that this shit was from a guy looking to stir up more drama (because fuck, seems like a few really needed it) was the goddamn "hurr durr AI DM" crap.

      Should have had people doubting when asked for a source he ducked and wove like WotC did. Currently his source seems to be "trust me bro".

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ah yes because its always smart to tell everyone your source. Not like they will immediately get fired if you do. Why you shilling for wotc so hard bro?

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They also said the new OGL was a draft despite planning to release it a week later, so I can't say I'm willing to believe them on much.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Wizards has more money and market share than the rest of the TTRPG market put together and have been talking about making a VTT for YEARS now
    >Could have used that money (and massive local talent pool) to develop a top-notch VTT and devkit
    >Which means that just like 3PP content under 1.0, fucking EVERYTHING would be compatible with their product just for the sake of convenience just like how everyone made Doom 2 WADs instead of making their own game from scratch
    >Could have let indie devs use brand identity content in their VTT-only content
    >Could have let 3PPs sell their own VTT content for however much they want while taking a small cut
    >Could have struck business deals with direct competitors like Paizo, White Wolf, Catalyst, etc. to professionally support their forks and content
    >Could have followed the model for Steam, relying on convenience and community to make their money and getting the kind of publicity and slavish goodwill that most companies can only dream of
    >Could have a cheap subscription model to give people access to their first-party material in order to draw them in
    >Could have trivialized any degree of community and content moderation
    >Could have guaranteed market dominance for the foreseeable future
    >Their VTT is still currently vaporware, their future monetization policy has officially been refined to "treat the community like lootbox-addicted paypigs", their website crashed from the entire community stampeding away from them and their biggest competitor has not only finished with the apple from their lunchbox but is about to take a bite of their sandwich and is eyeing the pudding cup as well

    The scale of this entire clusterfuck just gets more and more impressive, really. In a few days they managed to completely torpedo their investment of tens of millions of dollars on top of whatever they're suffering and are going to suffer in the brick-and-mortar and online markets.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's astounding how it feels like every big IP has been driven into the ground by almost comically shortsighted mismanagement in the past decade. Are the suits in charge of these companies just getting more retarded by the year?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it is as if the employment was based on nepostism and woke policies, weird.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          what the fuck are you even going on about
          you Ganker retards are just a different breed

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Where do you think you are right now?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Anon might be mindbroken about woke bs, but he's absolutely right about nepotism

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Woke stuff pretty much is nepotism. It's all about channelling funds and power to your friends and making sure working class whites don't get uppity and threaten middle class jobs.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Are the suits in charge of these companies just getting more retarded by the year?
        More like they have no love, attachment or even interest for the product they're trying to sell.
        Corporate only cares about short term money, everything but that is an annoyance, if not an obstacle to make a quick buck.
        Look about the entertanment in general:
        >vidya
        Making good Buy-to-Play games is considered risky, so they keep doing low effort garbage Game-as-Service because, I mean, are you gonna stop playing vidya?
        >movies
        Streaming (with monthly payment) is killing movie theaters, so they keep pumping garbage with no care for quality because, I mean, are you gonna stop watching streaming tv series and movies?
        >comics
        No comment, unfortunately they can't give you all DC or Marvel comics for a monthly fee, or else, who knows....
        See where I'm going with this?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So glad I have stopped buying movies and games for the most part. I may buy a dvs on occasion or get a ame thats got good reviews and been out for a while but largely I just watch the massive shelf of stuff I already own.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >So glad I have stopped buying movies and games for the most part.
            Same, I'm passing the time reading a lot in the last few years.
            When I was young, I really loathed reading, but now..... I still have trouble believing it.

            >comment, unfortunately they can't give you all DC or Marvel comics for a monthly fee, or else, who knows....
            I don't know how they've done it but the comics industry has shit the bed HARD. They're getting constantly BTFO'd in the west by Manga and it looks even the people who buy their stuff often hate it.

            >I don't know how
            Because the manga industry is cutthroat as hell, only the best have the chance to be published.
            Also, as long as it sell, you can put out gore, sex and depravity to insane level.
            In the american comics, women look like men, sexiness is a sin worthy of death, violence is typically restrained (except stuff like old punisher) and creators are hired based on nepotism, politics and other arrangements, instead of skills. meritocracy and hard work. And it shows,

            Its nkt hard, just dont insert woke shit into every comic. Hell a recent batman comic had the joker getting pregnant by some c tier villain. And yes the joker is still male.

            >just dont insert woke shit into every comic
            No offense, but I don't think it's all about wokeness at this point, it's more like the creators and publishers are also completely inept at their job.
            Japan publish literally gay (and also trans) comics, and those sell like hell.
            There's something completely broken at this point.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Japan publish literally gay (and also trans) comics, and those sell like hell.
              Yeah thats the thing though, when they do it they label that shit right on the front and they dont randomly raceswap/make gay characters that already have existing backstory and history. Here in western comics you have no such luxury.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >when they do it they label that shit right on the front and they dont randomly raceswap/make gay characters that already have existing backstory and history.
                Yes, but those comics are also more enjoyable.
                I've tried reading a couple of those, and while I personally didn't like them, it was still much better than the average superhero comic.
                I also think that a REALLY good comic creator could make a successful lgbt comic, problem is, those people in the current market are bad, like REALLY bad at their job just for normal comics, let alone adding raceswap and pushing lgbt ideas.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah fair

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >No offense, but I don't think it's all about wokeness at this point, it's more like the creators and publishers are also completely inept at their job.
              >Japan publish literally gay (and also trans) comics, and those sell like hell.
              As much as the term is misused by idiots on the right, wholeness isn't just gay characters existing. Wokeness is better conceptualized as the need for representation and the hamfisted politics rather than the existence of the character. To contrast that, when a manga comes out about a gay character, it's generally a story that is in some way about the gayness, and it's not gay because we need more gay, it's gay because the author has something to say about it or they just think it's hot

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >comment, unfortunately they can't give you all DC or Marvel comics for a monthly fee, or else, who knows....
          I don't know how they've done it but the comics industry has shit the bed HARD. They're getting constantly BTFO'd in the west by Manga and it looks even the people who buy their stuff often hate it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Its nkt hard, just dont insert woke shit into every comic. Hell a recent batman comic had the joker getting pregnant by some c tier villain. And yes the joker is still male.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Comics by DC and Marvel are just capea while manga has a bunch of stuff from shounen, to spocon, to romcom to BL. Indie comics that should take those spaces lack the anime/TV adaptation but when they do they go well (see Heartstoppers)

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I mean you can do ye olde it's always been shit, you just got causght up in "new big protest"
          >vidya
          You went from shovelware everywhere, quality control that was absolute shit at controlling actual quality, shovelware everywhere, innovation that was pretty much abandoned at some point, home video proxy warfare, patches allowing for paying full price for a broken game (ain't new son), paying almost full price for extra shit. For fucks sake, there's a whole genre of you tube gays who made gfoddamn youtube careeers off of this you fucking retards.
          >movies
          for fucks sake, why do you fags act like it's only been recently that this shit wasn't edible food in a sea of shit, it's always been edible food in a sea of shit. For fucks sake people have made careers off of the shit that csurrounds thos small amounts of edible food since before your "dis am important" fags were even born (doubt there's 60 year olds here on Ganker).
          >Comics
          Fucks sake, really, the most fast trash pile of crap that somehow has the more shit in the nuggets in a sea of shit analogy than movies could dream of? That had its last great gasp at relevance was because a fucking thing somebody didn't throw away making it rare which made so much trash it basically made the whole everything outside the two everybody knows is pretty much mail order?
          Fucks sake I can tell why Ganker went from loose shit to full on 2 girls 1 cuphvv0ns diarrhea.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This is what happens when you phonepody while you’re upset. Nice trips though.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              more having super low action switches., tl;dr for the whole thing in a language everybody here can understand: Ganker has never been good.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They are there to make more money, but dont understand their product, why it is liked, why it did well etc.
        So its only natural for them to take the greediest nickel and dime choices as possible.

        Making high quality products is a huge risk than just mass producing batchsloppa. This is business 101 that you learn in school.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We're entering an era of unprecedented greed as now even video games and TT companies are doing everything they possibly can to make more money next year than they did previous years. It's the Cult of Unlimited Growth. The problem is that corona lockdowns are over, they no longer have an audience literally held captive in their houses, so these companies are finding where their growth ceiling are at, but they just can't accept it so they start cannibalizing their own products and people are waking up to how complete disconnected the financial elite are from normal people. They literally don't think like we do. They don't see money or products the same way as we do, the only thing they know how to do is play Extreme Cookie Clicker with what they have. This is also paired with the fact that the only way to climb the corporate ladder to the top in this day and age is to become a fucking backtabbing sociopath who cares about nothing but getting results, so the kind of people running companies don't care if their product gets mutated into radioactive dogshit, so long as they can make the green line go up. This is why they can walk on stage, look you in the face, and tell you that the shit on your plate is actually steak without a shred of guilt or remorse. They are truly deHispanicable.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >unprecedented greed era is now
          >viiya doing what it did in 1983, 1996, 2000, 2007, 2011, 2016. And that's just consoles.
          >Tabletop games have never been greed focused, aside from removing board games from shelves just long enough to cash in on the 8-12 nostalgia less than a devcade later, Tabletop RPGs seeming to have a life cycle of a new edition every so often or going into the forgotten aside from some people trash pile. Not to mention there's a cycle of D&D, a replacement built off some edition of it (Palladium Fantasy, Pathfinder), a genre game (CoC, Shadowrun, WoD, Cyberpunk), and a generic can do anything system (Gurps, HERO, Fate, PBTA), Card Games continuing on as they have, Yes, even Magic.
          >inplying that the only way to the top was never being a backstabbing sociopath,
          I'd love to have lived in the world you grew up in, People were fucking making jokes about that being the case back when I was a young kid. We're talking back when everybody was trying to emulate Japan (to the point The Book of Five Rings was seen as a business manual, and fags were trying to emulate Japanese Zaibatsu) and tobacco companies literally did everything to not be regulated in selling literal death sticks.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, and that doesn't disprove my point. It's been getting worse every year to the point where even a once-niche entertainment company gets a whiff of success and immediately start destroying its product with awful decisions that even morons on a mongolian throat singing board could see was a bad idea because they are so disconnected from a normal person's thought process they may as well literally be lizard men from the moon.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It really hasn't anon, it's just been recently that people started to notice, unprecedented greed has been the norm for so long you had the niche of film pumping out crap in the 10s (niche to theatres and books), TV being so greed focused that you had the Quiz Show scandals of the 50s and a whole genre formed out of being straight up commercials. Let's not even get into niche music being commodified withing 5 years of its break into any sort of mainstream. And there's never been a time since Gygax turned a combination of wargaming and sword and sorcery literature (itself having been greed run since the 30s) that tabletop RPGs haven't been run by greed trying to topple the giant or the giant staying on top.
              Once again, it's always been shit, you just realized it's shit because people you'd call commies 3 months ago called it shit.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >people you'd call commies 3 months ago called it shit.
                People I'd call commies are the Starbucks slurping Berniebro middle class types that blame every single one of society's ills on 'capitalism' but can't exactly describe why capitalism is at fault and why Communism/Socialism/ect would magically remedy those ills. Not liking the financial elite's power to dictate the lives of the working class is not some recent development. I've always been saying this, it's just the complete and utter nosedive of the video game and tabletop industry that has compelled me to talk about it more.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Except it's not a nosedive anon, it's the norm and has been for literal decades, the only reason you think it's sudden is that fags got really interested because they need shit in the slow news cycle.
                Frankly it's odd that this shit always seems to happen in the December-January doldrums. Let me just think here. Le Critical Roll is gonna take over D&D because Wildemount book (2020) Combat Wheelchair Dungeon that ends up being a nothingburger where ramps make sense (2021), Weiss-Hickman being treated like freelancers, but nobody notices (2022), this crap (2023).is just the major December-January crap for one game system, we could put up all the other shit that ends up being the big to do around this time of year going back further And it's not just the niche of tabletop either, all sorts of niches seem to have this "big rumor" that ends up being not to expectations, or worse was something started by some big name fan to get them on board with what they're selling.
                I mean for fucks sake, you want to talk greed in just the OGL 1.1 crap, the big names used it to look good and draw in more buyers off of big name fans saying shit, ones who could really make rumors because this is the time when they need something new to keep their various money making channels going with content.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly Im just not sure why they didnt open it up to allow homebrew aettings to become canon you know? Like if you do well on a project you could submit your supplement to them, they give it a look over, and then you work together to make it an official dnd document. They take a cut and your stuff gets canonized while all they need to pay for is actual publishing.

      Like they would hhave made so much money and had so much good will for basically no work.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think the funniest part is that they clearly did this to try to please the investors, and there's no way that the investors are happy about things getting so bad that non-industry media is reporting on it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's because everyone making these decisions is an outside suit from the vidya industry who has never played TTRPGs in their life.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think the funniest part is that they clearly did this to try to please the investors, and there's no way that the investors are happy about things getting so bad that non-industry media is reporting on it.

      I'm thinking they're doing this on purpose to sell this company with low price to some bigger corporation like Amazon.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >amazon might buy dnd
        this is the worst timeline

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >oy, they're not ready for the $30 a month yet
    >delay it for a couple years and make it $15, we'll have to take it slow

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This, if you've never dealt with Wizards through MTG I can see how this'd look positive, but it's not.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Kobold press trannies on suicide watch. fuck your freakshit, leeches are comming off

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It was always said the $30 tier was just one of many. Sure its "false" because its not the only one.

    No one at wizards may be working on ai dms but what about 3rd party contracted teams?

    At no point does it say they read anything here.

    Sure they wont charge for homebrewing, its free in your package once you choose any sub. It will always be yours (we just get to take and use it any way we want without your say)

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So they responded now to a four months old shitpost that literally had an extra slide saying it's all fake and gay because some of you gays and the wider D&D Internet community took it for real and pushed it again?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      To the credit of D&D community. The leaked 1.1 OGL which turned out to be true also looked like a shitpost.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >$30 USD is nonsense
    This could well just be them backtracking on the idea, then claiming publicly they never had such intentions.
    It's hard to tell what's fake these days, though.
    >they DO read feedback
    I mean, on the one hand, of course they would say that.
    But on the other hand, it's in their best interests, regardless of their plans or priorities, to read feedback. It's the one thing any business cannot afford to not do.
    >AI DMs are nonsense
    Anyone saying AI DMs were going to be a thing were both morons for thinking Wottocks of the Cocks would be smart enough to capitalize on the solorp market, and morons for not knowing AI is already in use in the solorp market.
    >homebrewing will never be charged
    This one was both the key to selling the reality of that leaked snap, but also the most telling part of that leaked snap being a potentially fake.
    The clever corporate language used to re-package homebrewing into the $30 subscription is exactly the kind of language that every massive corporation uses to tiptoe around exposing it's blatant greed to it's employees. You'd think they wouldn't care, since you see a lot of these big stage talks about how businesses use twisted psychological tricks to make people want to spend money, but their own boots on the ground employees, while not the brightest bunch, retain some of their humanity, and will actively avoid using open and blatant cash grab methods if they can. That's why corporate rephrasing is so important.
    But... The sheer absurdity of even attempting to put a charge on homebrew content is like demanding ad hosters pay you instead of you paying them. It's backwards, and someone would have been fired for even suggesting it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >But... The sheer absurdity of even attempting to put a charge on homebrew content is like demanding ad hosters pay you instead of you paying them. It's backwards, and someone would have been fired for even suggesting it.

      You don't understand these people. You see free marketing, they see undermonetized behavior, their goal is to move the whole community into a space which they control and then make money with the captive audience. They know that this sort of thing has never been done successfully but in a way they truly do not understand that anything else is possible, corporate thinking is based on the myth of eternal perpetual growth, it fucks with people.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >so being a corpo means you eventually go retarded from consuming too much corpo propaganda
        checks out

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It honestly kind of reminds me when they briefly tried to make mods paid only for Skyrim. They never learned their lesson, they're just looking for the right opportunity to try and force it on people again.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          except that completely inaccurate. Modders are not making 750k dollars with their mods. Modders do it for free. Ticks around DnD are making hundreds of thousnads dollars and all the free marketing is imaginery, because its not like they sell to someone hwo isnt playing DnD already.
          I dont like WotC either btw because its lazy retarded company pushing chud shit

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Ticks around DnD are making hundreds of thousnads dollars and all the free marketing is imaginery, because its not like they sell to someone hwo isnt playing DnD already.

            Bullshit. Evem the most successful kickstarters barely make any profit and the ogl update never specified profit, it said you get charged 25%. I started buying dnd after hetting hyped by a podcast and buying a bunch of core books and then afterwards a bunch of their other stuff, I was buying every new book in limited edition version not because they were good but because I liked to support the brand and use them as inspiration, it totally does drive their sales.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Evem the most successful kickstarters barely make any profit and the ogl update never specified profit
              i didnt say anything about profit either, by make i meant gross revenue which is in the nuOGL. But if you raise 750k dollars and are unable to make a profit you are retarded and have shitty financial plan.

              >I started buying dnd after hetting hyped by a podcast and buying a bunch of core books
              good for you, but you are in no way representation of majority. Also that podcast doesnt make 750k a year, so its all goodm it will still be out there

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                25% from gross means ypu lose money off anything you make dumbass

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's not, dipfuckingshit.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It is. Because profit margins for fanworks are very thin even on the largest ones. If you take 25% of the revenue, not profit because they did not specify profit, that means you need to pay them $187,500. And thats fucking ruinous. Dont forget they also keep the right to change the rules any time they want and you are not allowed to sue them for any reason. Anyone who thinks this shit is fair or good is nothing but a braiindead idiot or a corpo shill, which basically amounts to the same thing.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                no it doesnt, do you know anything about financial planing or budgeting lol?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do you? How much profit do you think is actually made? Between hirimg people for art, paying your writers, publishing fees, and just plain cost of business even 15% is considered good profit.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, i actualy do. 15% is good profit in real industry. Like automotive where you have cosntant expenditures for every unit. With shit like books you might have high entrance cost - wirtters, artists, but after you pay them one unit of your product costs almost nothing. Especialy with move towards electronic versions. Your profits therefore go up nonlinearly with products sold.
                WotC knows this (they publish quite a lot of books themselves) and set the line according their own experience. they want to milk the ticks, not kill them

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Electronic stuff is already paying into wotc you absolute mong, its how the dmsguild works and sells their stuff.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do you have to use it? not really. But thats besides the point. You dont know anything about business palns and are just angry you dont get to leech anymore

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Also that podcast doesnt make 750k a year, so its all goodm it will still be out there

                Actually critical role is a huge reason people started dnd and they dont make a ton of profit either even as the top of the heap.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >they dont make a ton of profit
                cap

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah they have to pay a lot for the production value and put a lot in to wotc themselves now. They are under contract. Nta but a lot of what they do make goes back into wotc who renegotiated their contract to be in line with the new ogl. Ita weird I dont understand how a crew making 14 mil in a year still manages to lose so much to fees.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the podcast that made you play dnd was crit role? well they have 10% deal with wotc. How do you know how much profit they make?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nah the one I got into dnd with was the adventure zone. Then some weird side bullshit that had ansouthern fungal druid with an opossum familiar.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                sorry i have never heard about it. Does make a lot of money? Is it going to have to pay the 25%?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                According to the new ogl part wher eit says "we can change the rules whenever we want" it very well could.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                so no. It isnt going affect them

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                More like I dont know how much they make and wotc already has shown they are willimg to fuck you over for profit in any way they can. Like why do you shill so hard for a megacorp?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I dont. My table is moving from DnD because how shit the game is. But i wont simp for bunch of freaks that pushed chud shit and all the modern nonsense like moron orcs into this hobby and now need to be defended. OGL was insanely generous and i see no reason why hasbro should have a chud welfare program
                I despise hasbro for inability to make material, for their retarded non functioning dnd beyond, for inserting Black characters in every ilustration. But i have to say, that for the amount of time our table played DnD, we paid like 100 bucks all together. DnD is one of the cheapest hobbies in the world and i understand why they feel undermonetized. I also believe its not a kind of hobby you really can monetize but there you go

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I they feel undermonetized twy could actually sell stuff an put out actual good material. You know? Like everyone else.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                and i agree thats why i said i hate WotC. But even if they make more of their stuff, these people are their competition.

                I'm literally not against a royalty in any new OGL, it just needs to be something sane like 5% over $200,000 and not 25% over $750,000 which will destroy the profit margin of anyone who actually gets to the threshold. I think pretty much everything else in the OGL 1.1 was bad though.

                I strongly agree the best route to WotC monetizing further would be for them to actually provide product people want to pay for: more books, ancillary lifestyle stuff, 3rd party stuff available on D&DBeyond for a small surcharge like Steam, a functioning VTT for a reasonable sub. Nobody would be losing their minds over any of this shit. Instead they went with the most insane licensing agreement possible.

                In that case i apologize for the strong language. If the discussion was about the % you might be right. 25% is on the higher end. but its also possible this is a strong arm tactic to force companies to negotitaion table. Like giving them only 10% but forcing them to sell on beyond.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lickstarter already said they were locked in at 20%

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Man these corps don't even try hard negotiation. A 5% discount if you go through KS is garbage. If KS was genuinely interested in their users they would have hardballed that way lower.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm literally not against a royalty in any new OGL, it just needs to be something sane like 5% over $200,000 and not 25% over $750,000 which will destroy the profit margin of anyone who actually gets to the threshold. I think pretty much everything else in the OGL 1.1 was bad though.

                I strongly agree the best route to WotC monetizing further would be for them to actually provide product people want to pay for: more books, ancillary lifestyle stuff, 3rd party stuff available on D&DBeyond for a small surcharge like Steam, a functioning VTT for a reasonable sub. Nobody would be losing their minds over any of this shit. Instead they went with the most insane licensing agreement possible.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Modders do it for free
            >He doesn't know

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Did Gigax create the D&D or is he just a crysis actor?

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >30usd/month is nonsense
    Lol, a single book is more than that right now on dndbeyond and you don't even get to own it. Recurring 30usd fee is highly plausible.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, I see them doing an Xbox Game Pass like thing. Whether it's $15, $20 or $30 a month remains to be seen. There are customers who don't like single big purchases and don't do the math about recurring costs. Customers who'd sample a dozen adventures and then only run one. It would be stupid of WotC not to try to reach that audience. Most of /tg/ isn't part of it.
      How much they would be able to squeeze them, that's the open question. For $25/mo, Microsoft will send you an Xbox and give access to the whole catalogue already.

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm so sick of companies nickel-and-diming customers nowadays. Fucking Netflix.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >All the bootlickers in the comment section
    genuinely sad how people defend corpos as if they have been personally attacked

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      thats why you are defending the smaller corpos? how is company with revenue of 750k not a corpo?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Please quote the part of my post where I'm defending them

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you are right, i inserted implications in your posts that are not there and i apologize

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You are a good man.

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The arc this followed was:
    >WotC releases OGL 1.1
    >extreme pushback from the entire community
    >youtube grifters notice this engagement
    >release "reliable" ""leaks"" about a $30 sub fee based on a fake image
    >outrage x10 over nothing
    It's so frustrating that the internet now just rewards the worst attention whores alive. This just makes every subsequent genuine thing from WotC harder to deal with. They sabotaged an organic community pushback for their viewcount.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Their own fault for not seeing how much drama this would cause

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean lieing in every new message to the community doesnt help and the downright disrespectful tone of most of the releases has been fucking ridiculous. Not to mention how disenginuous it all comes off as. Like my god you couldnt fuck up this bad if you tried.

        Like maybe they would have a leg to stand on if they had released any good content lately but they havent.

        I've no interest in defending WotC, but you should at least understand the youtube/twitter freaks who pushed this fake $30 thing would be just as bad at the helm of D&D. They have no more principles nor integrity than WotC themselves. A decent person truly interested in the D&D community would have held off on pushing the fake rumours for engagement.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Honestly I dont think its fake. They lied multiple times in that same public announcement why do you think they deserve anyone believing them on that part?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            hard to say. It would fail so hard its hard to imagine anyone would propose that. The concept of AI DM was complete nonsense

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Because the image was a fake mock-up made at least 6 months before any of the current drama, and was only widely shared online again because of the current drama. Some dickhead youtuber just ran with it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the youtube/twitter freaks who pushed this fake $30 thing would be just as bad at the helm of D&D
          Good. I want D&D to collapse so people will actually play different games.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Oh boo hoo you don't get to enjoy everything for free like a leech.

          Wotc shills

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Why would wotc pay people to shill on Ganker?
            They don't even pay people to read feedback lel

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Pay
              That's the best part: they do it for free

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Them Is not shilling anon

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If you unironically think this we are so very fucked my brother.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The leaks are fake because...THEY JUST ARE OK?!
          Fuck off Rajeet

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I mean lieing in every new message to the community doesnt help and the downright disrespectful tone of most of the releases has been fucking ridiculous. Not to mention how disenginuous it all comes off as. Like my god you couldnt fuck up this bad if you tried.

      Like maybe they would have a leg to stand on if they had released any good content lately but they havent.

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The insane thing to me has always been that a literal toy company isn't trying to sell you D&D plushes, dice bags, posters, shit like that. And that you don't have an automatic 'buy the real book get it online' code in every physical purchase.

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's great. except they waited for two weeks to say anything.

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why hasnt anyone told them "fuck of retards"?

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >dude EA said they're sorry for SecuROM they won't do anything like that again trust me
    This is the level of delusion DnDfags are on right now

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Have wotc tried not being cunts? Sure there's the youtube rage bait videos, but it's a sad state of affairs for your company when it all seems exactly like scummy tactics you'd actually try and pull. Only got yourselves to blame for pissing in your communities face and then saying it was just a light spring shower, and implying you're a racist if you thought it was piss.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >implying you're a racist
      arent you?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >speciesist

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Mta but while I may be racist I am not racist in my dnd games because my character is not ME I am roleplaying not self inserting.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          But we weren't talking about your character

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I believe in a world where a person is judged by the content of their character, and today my character is a feral lizardman who only cares about his next meal.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Such a character might contain anything, we can't judge you until we've sliced him open.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Which is what he does to anyone who dies near him. Honestly he would be offended if you didnt slice him up.

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Rumors of a 30$ subscription are FALSE
    >It will be 29.99$

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do so many ttrpgs that have nothing to do with dnd use the ogl? Isnt 5e ruleset open source?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nobody?

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >lies, lies, lies and more lies
    OGL works fine as is, literally no reason to change it. The only victory is WOTC backing down or going bankrupt. To accept anything less is to accept defeat.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >OGL works fine as is,
      for leeches it does. for WotC its extremely generous

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It doesn't give access to absolutely anything WotC owns, dumbass. The stuff wizards owns is under a different license.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Bullshit. why would there be a license in the first place if they didnt have any rights to that content.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Because, TSR went backrupt making lawsuits for dnd stuff they didn't own. So, third party publishers were hesitant to deal with WotC on the basis that it was more of a hassle to defend against retarded shit like "we own monks!!!" than just printing their own stuff. So, WotC made the OGL as a promise that they wouldn't annoy these companies for supporting D&D with published works.

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >in b4 head cannon and home brew are under monetized markets.

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >OGL 1.0a still being revoked
    >still lying about OGL 1.1/2.0 being a draft
    Eat shit WOTCgay

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They also said that rumours of them changing the OGL were false before the full text leaked. Imagine believing them at this point.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They also continue to call it a "draft" when it obviously was not. They think we're all brainless leftoids like themselves who will just forget about the facts if they keep repeating a lie.

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't give a shit. WOTC killed dnd and I am glad. Fuck it. It's other game systems time now.

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You know, when you really think about it, the DM AI was prolly bullshit. I mean, why cut out the playerbase that pays the most for your stuff?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Well you have to look at it this way, normally in a group the dm pays for most the stuff. Books especially. This means one person out of 5 pays around 30 to 50 dollars when something new drops. With ai dm they can force you to all pay, every month, and they also dont need to actually pay anyone to run the games for them. Basically its all positives for them.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If it's locked behind the D&D Beyond paywall, you're still getting revenue and players no longer have the issue of having to find or learn how to DM. Convenience is a big selling point for any product so a lot of players would end up at least trying it, I feel. Even AI Dungeon was a craze for a while, and that was without a hard set of rules for battles and skill checks.
      Actually, it would be way more profitable than relying on human DM's. Running an AI DM via D&D Beyond, a 4-man party at max subscription would net you $120 per month for potentially years depending on how long the campaign runs. Compare that to a human DM buying the core rulebook, DM guide, and Monster Manual, that's a one-time payment of I think $150 assuming they buy new.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The bigger problem is that even the whole ai art and writing shit produces more shit that you can tell is from an ai than anything else. Works great for static shit you can edit, but is nowhere near able to actually emulate a human.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I doubt an AI will ever be as good as an experienced human GM, but for the purposes here it only needs to be "Good enough". If it can keep track of player character info and NPC's, you're halfway done. Skill checks and battles would be simple to digitize on what is essentially a video game with simple tokens for graphics and tracking characters' positions. Dungeons and other maps can also be procedurally generated. In general you're essentially using 5e's mechanics to make a procedurally generated video game with an AI storyteller.
          This all sounds kinda shit compared to proper tabletop, but again consider the audience: 5efags who can't find a DM or refuse to put in the work to build a campaign. A slightly inflexible, by the book DM is preferable to no game at all for most people.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's not even to the level of good enough anon, people have way overstated how good AI generation is, to the point it's basically something thrown in as a buzzword like blockchain.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Fair enough. I never got into AI text adventures, so I have no idea how far it's advanced since the AI Dungeon craze or if it would be able to generate and run a campaign. Though I do still believe that if and when it advances to that level, WotC will look into implementing it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So would anybody really, it's more or less the thing that just says, guy is either stirring up drama, or is getting literal shit shoveled to him and poisoning the well either way.
                Doesn't help he hasn't produced a source for his assertions.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                "Providing a Source" would get said source fired.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We're talking not even a redacted source that keeps his source anonymous. He's produced literally fuck all, like he was supposed to bring more shit yesterday, but has gone more silent than WotC when you had the OGL 1.1 leak.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I doubt an AI will ever be as good as an experienced human GM
            Ever is a long time anon. Not in our lifetimes is pretty likely, but who knows what technological breakthroughs the next 100, 1,000 or even 10,000 years will bring.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Please, AI's will be DMing better than people within a century tops.

              ...Global dark age apocalyptic reset notwithstanding

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            AI doesn't have to be as good as a human GM ever. Since inception there have never been enough GMs to match players. We don't have 1 GM for every 6 potential players, we have like 1 GM for every 10 at best and so no games is ever rampant.

            AI GMs would let them sell product to players who're interested but don't have even a single other person to play with when we're currently in a world where a whole group might split for a single book.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They saw people paying for DMs online, they probably know that DMs are the whales for purchasing so that's 1 out of 5 players paying for shit. This way, even if the DM doesn't participate as a player that's 4 out of 5 players paying for shit. If they keep the book prints that's 5 out of 5 players, in theory of course. It makes perfect sense on paper.

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yesterday I saw a karn player loop stone brain and start naming every card in alphabetical order starting with +2 Mace

    Nice game WOTC, very cool!

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Has the person who tweeted out these rumors actually produced his sauces? Or is he pulling a WotC responding to the OGL 1.1 leaks?

  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    New ogl just dropped, they still have wordage to allow them to change the ownership parts whenever they want, you are still not allowed to sue them, if they take you work you have to prove they did it on purpose (but similarity is not allowed to be used as evidence). They can squish anything they decide is harmful too.

    Yeah fuck this shit.

  47. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Let's see
    >rumors are false
    This one might be true especially now.
    >no one at wizards is working on AI DM's
    They don't need to be working on it to plan on implementing it.
    >data
    Original issue was specifically written feedback, they can have people who look over the multiple choice stuff and that statement would still be true.
    >no homebrewing charge
    Basically just bethesda saying there won't be paid mods but then implementing that under a different name.

  48. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >$30 USD is nonsense

    I remember when Games Workshop said the 30k starter box would be "less than $300 usd".

    It was $299.99.

    lol

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      GW also has an effective monopoly and until recently its own place to sell, and a fanbase that's been stockholed by that.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        My only point is that WOTC would probably do the exact same thing, just with one less digit on the end.

  49. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They dropped the new one, basically hammering home the
    >We can't use the protective options in 1.2 if someone can just choose to publish harmful, discriminatory, or illegal content under 1.0a
    What a crock of shit.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >just updating the shit to include more than just some kind of new Book of Erotic Fantasy to protect their braind,
      >BE MAD AT DIS.
      MFW

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Problem is, they're giving themselves sole discretionary power to determine what is "harmful" to the brand, and by accepting the license, you cede any right to contest their determination. They can make any sort of absurd claim against your content, and you have no legal ground to defy it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Once again, seeing as fags on here get mad at fucking third party shit and blame WotC all the goddamn time, are you fucking surprised? When not even the fags here can tell the difference?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >lay out a "we'll steal your shit if it's profitable and force you to stop publishing whenever we want" contract
        >blowback
        >actually what we meant was "we'll steal your shit if it's profitable and force you to stop publishing whenever we want but we'll say we did it because you're a bigot" contract
        >brainlets start seal-clapping
        I don't often wish death on people but for you i'll make an exception.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Is that the one they're actually putting out or the leaked one? Strange that the leaked shit seems to be shit that channers would fall for, and redditors would eat up.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Official

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Wow thought they were waiting until this Friday to put up shit so people could give feedback after the leaked docs caused the whole 1.1 OGL mess.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They lost over forty thousand subscriptions in a week, anon. They had some pretty compelling reasons for forcing through an edited version as quickly as possible.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            have a nice day gay

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Sole descretion to say, "nah son, we know that's gonna come back to us, and we don't want to have to fight your fucking battles".
            Oh anon, we both know the reason they're doing this, the fact that you're even mad at any fucking morality clauses anywhere just shows exactly why they need it to protect the brand.
            Bet ya think pic related is official.

            Read dumbass

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >See breeding table from Book of Erotic Fantasy
              Exactly what the morality clause is intended to prevent gay.

              They lost over forty thousand subscriptions in a week, anon. They had some pretty compelling reasons for forcing through an edited version as quickly as possible.

              Looks like they just did it a day earlier, and is a literal upday that clarifies that they don't own your shit, and have the right to basically put you in breach if you decide to try and make "Book of moron Rapists" off of it.
              Seems like much ado about nothing.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                KiIl yourself bootlicker. Make it painful.

                JotC has absolutely no right to decide what's okay for me to publish. Not now, not ever.,

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >literal upday that clarifies that they don't own your shit, and have the right to basically put you in breach if you decide to try and make "Book of moron Rapists" off of it.

                It also says they can change the section about ownership at will

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If they were in the right they wouldnt say you wave your right to a jury

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >
                Looks like they just did it a day earlier, and is a literal upday that clarifies that they don't own your shit, and have the right to basically put you in breach if you decide to try and make "Book of moron Rapists" off of it.
                Who is doing that though? Only big case of someone being super racist with OGL material I'm aware of is WotC itself doing "monkey people were uplifted by slavery". Shouldn't *they* be stripped of their rights to D&D for the offensive crap they're shitting out?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm explicitly making a "elves are slaves - and that's a good thing!" version of DnD just out of spite now. And I'm gonna promote it everywhere for

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you want to make something in the style of pulp fantasy like Dark Sun or like one of the most famous modules, the Slavelords series, you stand a very real chance of having it rugpulled under the new license - even if the slavers are the bad guys

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The morality clause is bogus because the community isn't made idiots and virgins like you're insinuating. No one is going to mistake FATAL as official DND material and if FOXnews tries to make fake shit with that then we're just back to where we've been before, I trust people should know better.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I trust people should know better.
                This is your more basic mistake.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >No one is going to mistake Fatal as official D&D Material
                Well no shit, there's no mention anywhere in any way that presumes D&D.
                Meanwhile Book of Erotic Fantasy, various 3rd party 5e compatible things getting a big brewhaha despite not being official WotC products. Ancestries and Cultures (goes further than even WotC was willing to do to races), Limitless Heroes (le disibilities handbook) , and Combat Wheelchair (holy fuck did people sperg over this shit) spring to mind and show a trend that they have to stay on top of should it swing towards some grog or chud who thinks we should have Chink Armor, and Neeghu'rs as a 3rd party product.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                have a nice day. We're not giving rights up because you cry about nonsense that no one even talks about.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No one ever gave a shit about Book of Erotic Fantasy beyond laughing about it being a thing.
                Combat wheelchair was all WotC's doing by premiering it so clearly they aren't fit to help the brand either way.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >You will not include content in Your Licensed Works that is harmful,
              discriminatory, illegal, obscene, or harassing, or engage in conduct that is harmful, discriminatory, illegal,
              obscene, or harassing. We have the sole right to decide what conduct or content is hateful, and you
              covenant that you will not contest any such determination via any suit or other legal action.
              >we have the sole right to decide
              Aka too many white people = EBUL HATEFUL CONTENT.
              have a nice day wizards. I bet the leftoids are going to eat this bullshit up.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This is an absolutely insane provision. No thinking person would ever leave it at the other party's sole discretion if they care at all about owning their own work.
                At least the core is going CC BY 4.0, but we have yet to see what that covers.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This god I hate how CR has attracted the Tumblr crowd to this hobby

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >SOLE
        >DISCRETION
        Stop simping for megacorps to "own righty" or whatever dumb shit

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Sole descretion to say, "nah son, we know that's gonna come back to us, and we don't want to have to fight your fucking battles".
          Oh anon, we both know the reason they're doing this, the fact that you're even mad at any fucking morality clauses anywhere just shows exactly why they need it to protect the brand.
          Bet ya think pic related is official.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >write a module about some evil cabal of seaplain dwelling sorcerers trying to steal the intellectual property of guilds and individuals across the continent
        >Wizards deems its hateful and bans it

  50. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >WARRANTIES AND DISCLAIMERS. You represent and warrant that:

    >No Hateful Content or Conduct. You will not include content in Your Licensed Works that is harmful, discriminatory, illegal, obscene, or harassing, or engage in conduct that is harmful, discriminatory, illegal, obscene, or harassing. We have the sole right to decide what conduct or content is hateful, and you covenant that you will not contest any such determination via any suit or other legal action.
    >We have the sole right to decide what conduct or content is hateful, and you covenant that you will not contest any such determination via any suit or other legal action.

    Fucking WotC thinks they are sly, this is a literal contract with the devil

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>No Hateful Content or Conduct. You will not include content in Your Licensed Works that is harmful, discriminatory, illegal, obscene, or harassing, or engage in conduct that is harmful, discriminatory, illegal, obscene, or harassing. We have the sole right to decide what conduct or content is hateful, and you covenant that you will not contest any such determination via any suit or other legal action.
      So literally just an out to steal your shit at any given point.
      They, and the ORC people looking to do the same, should mcfucking kill themselves

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >WARRANTIES AND DISCLAIMERS. You represent and warrant that:

        >No Hateful Content or Conduct. You will not include content in Your Licensed Works that is harmful, discriminatory, illegal, obscene, or harassing, or engage in conduct that is harmful, discriminatory, illegal, obscene, or harassing. We have the sole right to decide what conduct or content is hateful, and you covenant that you will not contest any such determination via any suit or other legal action.
        >We have the sole right to decide what conduct or content is hateful, and you covenant that you will not contest any such determination via any suit or other legal action.

        Fucking WotC thinks they are sly, this is a literal contract with the devil

        They also still have a part that says they can change the ownership section whenever they want.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Surprisingly, Reddit doesn't seem to buy it, and thinks WOTC is acting in bad faith

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >noo the $30 was a lie
          >we don't even like money!
          Who even believes corpos anymore?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I would have thought the Redditbrained individuals would have short circuited to seal clapping with this "we have to de-authorize the OGL1.0a to stop the Nazi incels" appeal. Surprisingly, they aren't credulous.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah. Pozzo and JotC are the same companies. They're made of the same lunatic Seattle freaks. They don't deserve one single inch of leeway

  51. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Don't care. They're still going through with the new license.

  52. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/1432-starting-the-ogl-playtest

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not good enough. They either leave the OGL 1.0a as is and in effect or no buy. I don't give a fuck about their endless crying about white people. Fuck WotC.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They literally can't due to it being more or less a revision of the 1.0a contract that explicitly states that you own the rights to your work (massive change to the fact they could literally buy you out if they wanted), have now made the main shit 100% CCA 4.0 compl;iant, literally have you acknowledge the simple fact of independent creation of the same thing, who's actually bound has had to be changed (endorsement was a needed clause as well), as well as it seems the entire VTT policy part, since that was a pipe dream when 1.0a came out ( wouldn't get an actual one until almost a decade in).

        >
        Looks like they just did it a day earlier, and is a literal upday that clarifies that they don't own your shit, and have the right to basically put you in breach if you decide to try and make "Book of moron Rapists" off of it.
        Who is doing that though? Only big case of someone being super racist with OGL material I'm aware of is WotC itself doing "monkey people were uplifted by slavery". Shouldn't *they* be stripped of their rights to D&D for the offensive crap they're shitting out?

        See the example in

        >Sole descretion to say, "nah son, we know that's gonna come back to us, and we don't want to have to fight your fucking battles".
        Oh anon, we both know the reason they're doing this, the fact that you're even mad at any fucking morality clauses anywhere just shows exactly why they need it to protect the brand.
        Bet ya think pic related is official.

        This gets passed around as official WotC content so much it 's probably created more half-breeds than the chart in question. It's what's known as pre-emptive striking of shit, ensuring that it doesn't get made in the first place, you don't have to look far to see that to stay as neutral as they can for people that haven't had their brain rotted by "muh culchur wagh" political shit (AKA most normal people) who aren't going to get that your shitty softcore porn photographed art book on fucking is neither made, nor truthfully endorsed by WotC., They're just applying it to a larger group because they've probably realized (thanks to Ernie and Twtter shits who haven't touched a dice) that they're going to get caught up in a culture war because that seems to be all the rage currently and they don't want that shit (see the wheelchair accessible dungeon "controversy") being laid at their door.
        It's a more proactive stance in basically saying "we don't want that smoke" as the kids would put it. Especially in the context of 6(c), it's to keep fags from fagging up shit and bringing down the brand.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >This gets passed around
          No it doesn't.
          Fuck off with your inane excuses.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >WotC doesn't want that shit
          They're actively instigating it, and have multiple times, in order to sell blatant contract breaches to pseudo-intellectual lackwits like yourself.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Uh huh sure. Now explain the part where it says if they make anything you have made you are not allowed to use similarity as evidence against them.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You ever hear of convergent creation, happens more often than you'd think, and it seems many kids these days haven't (if you ever even been on the periphery of any fan community for animation, holy fuck does it seem t be a popular opinion that the creator is stealing from fan theories, despite not engaging beyond Q&As at cons or moderated Q&A shit online/)
            >Kid with glasses and a scar goes to a magical school and hijinks that drive the plot ensue (PTerry and Rowling)
            >Comic about a kids who's charmingly delinquent, annoys his neighbors and has exasperated parents (Dennis the Menace)
            >Barbarian who has fantastical adventures in some kind of fantasy land where most, if not all people are human with inclusions of Lovedraft (Both Howardand Lieber's more fantasy works)
            >Skill based system that puts an emphasis of social and physical combat within its rules (WoD, Shadowrun/Earthdawn, Chaosium Basic, literallyu anything not trrying to ape D&D from the 80s and 90s).
            >More narrative classless systems that use special dice or simulated by d6s (Fudge/Fuzion, Fate, PBTA)
            >Ugly ass animated shit that's oh so edgy and made for adults, not for kids (Adult Swim practically made this a genre to itself with how many came out concurrently at points).
            >Too many examples of creators on YouTube that should all know about each other talking a particular topic to death within days of each other and it's not some big nerd news story. I swear I've seen so fucking many "Why 'Dear Evan Hansen' is Bad:videos pop up because at some point I hit on one, all from about the same time period when the movie came out.
            Basically you can't use the similarity as a basis because they might just be going in that direction anyways, and have to show that they actively took from you, because it makes sense.
            HEll you can blame fanfiction for that even having to be said in the first place.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Buddy if they didnt have the whole "you cannot litigate" bullshit in you may have a point.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And the whole reason for that is to prevent tying up courts with your shit that would get tossed out the moment it went before a judge.
                I mean FFS they make it have to be Washington which has massive consumer protection laws, was one of the first Anti-SLAPP states, and in general goes towards the smaller guy, and even they would toss it out on the grounds that "it's similar" as a reason.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Everything is already covered under creative commons license. This is a power grab and its obvious. Go back to licking your bosses asshole corpo.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Everybody pointing out legitimate reasons for it to be stated is a corpo.
                For fucks sake anon, you really are retarded by tribalism aren't you?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                NTA, you kind of argued the opposite of what the other guy said. The problem is that WotC can claim your work is hateful or whatever and revoke your license, and you have no recourse whatsoever. There's no check whatsoever against WotC's arbitration. They could claim something is harmful because it depicts violence and the creator wouldn't have grounds to object.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >and you have no recourse whatsoever
                The recourse isn't to challenge their enforcement of that clause per se, but their inability to enforce it properly as per 1.2's section 9. It's not a very functional loophole because it pretty thoroughly describes the general nature of what makes stuff unacceptable. That use of it would not hold up in court.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It also says that if it doesnt hold up they have the right to keep enforcing it so fuck off

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Haha, cool. Copy-paste THAT part, please and thank you.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That says if they fail to act on someone violating the license that it doesn't reflect an inability to act on it in the future.
                It does not say the license is above the law.
                In fact the license agrees that it is not above the law, in 9d and 9e, which describes the jurisdiction you're agreeing to fight in if you should fight them in court (their home state), and how things will be handled if parts of the license are found to be totally unenforceable.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It also immediately goes on to say that if the law finds it unenforceable or invalid that Wizards is above the law and will go about doing what they wanted to anyway.
                >d) severability

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Read that again. Read it real slow. Read it carefully. Rephrase each sentence, and unpack what it does.
                Now read what you've just claimed, you illiterate cocksucker.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You cut it off right where it gets to the bullshit you fucking garden gnome.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Read it yourself you illiterate corporate shill. It literally has enough foggy language to allow them to do whatever they want and you cannot litigate.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The severability clause that anon is referring to says they reserve the right to terminate the license as a whole if any part of it should be found unenforceable should they choose, or they can treat it as though that portion didn't exist should they choose.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It also gives them an easy way to remove the entire document by allowing them to get rid of it entirely if any part is unenforceable. They can change section 5 at will, make it unenforceable, then say OOPS we are getting rid of this ogl and just do away with it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They wouldn't do that.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's an even worse loophole as 7a specifies that they can only modify their preferred methods of contact and how to format OGL attributions.
                It should not be surprising that "illegally break a contract" is not smart advice for annulling a contract.

                Again, trying to circumnavigate the law to functionally invent new termination clauses doesn't fly in court when you have to justify that shit to a judge.

                You cut it off right where it gets to the bullshit you fucking garden gnome.

                Read it yourself you illiterate corporate shill. It literally has enough foggy language to allow them to do whatever they want and you cannot litigate.

                The severability clause that anon is referring to says they reserve the right to terminate the license as a whole if any part of it should be found unenforceable should they choose, or they can treat it as though that portion didn't exist should they choose.

                I can't believe you fucks are so goddamn stupid.
                The 'ignore the unenforceable elements' part doesn't mean you ignore that it is unenforceable. It means you functionally cut them out of the document.
                It does not let them just...keep doing it.
                Again, the law finding part of a contract unenforceable isn't a loophole to keep enforcing it.
                I can't fucking believe someone has to say this shit.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They assert they can void the entire license if any part is unenforceable, that's the important part.
                From the 3pp perspective, it's impossible to be sure you will continue to have this license for any amount of time, as WotC pretty much has all the say.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Judges famously love copyright troll tactics, so these are absolutely well founded specters to organize around.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I don't know how to express to you how many layers of one-sided bullshit are in that license that you won't just disregard, so I'm done trying.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think anyone in this thread accused it of being totally even-handed, but trying to rules-lawyer blank check loopholes into standard license language only serves to make people look like dipshits.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                And ignoring blatantly obvious loopholes makes you look like a fucking idiot, a shill, or both.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                The only 'obvious' loopholes people have brought up to me in this thread are fast tracks to making out of court settlements.

                You mean like how they argue irrevocable and perpetual arent the same thing? Yeah fuck off

                I'm totally whatever guy you were yelling at in that other conversation you're talking about. You are a smart and good looking person.

                Really, funny I thought they might do something like say you own all the content you make and they cant use it unless you agree then bury that you agree by signing the document in legalese.

                Guess they wouldnt do that. Im so glad you educated me.

                >no corporate entity ever tried to weasel illegal bullshit into a contract, ever
                >Not only has this never happened, no corporate dickshit has ever been made to look a fool for their greed.
                You just look asinine now. This attitude you have that big money entities will follow the rules just because is exactly the reason why they do this retarded shit, too many people think like you.

                Thankfully for everybody, the fact that some other licenses like the now-abandoned 1.1 have been incredibly rotten doesn't magically include the incredibly rotten terms in this license.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                How much are they paying you? I hope you aren't doing this for free.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Man, if I got paid for talking to retards I'd just hang out with my aunt.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                That's just too good, straight out admitting you got retarded genes.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                The fact that you can look at the already discarded version they tried to force through and admit its full of bullshit loopholes then try to say they wont try to use bullshit loopholes is both astounding and worrying. You legitimately need to go to a doctor and get your head checked as you are delusional.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >doesn't magically include the incredibly rotten terms in this license.
                Acknowledging and denying the facts in the same fucking breath, by fucking thunder, I am as close to shocked as I can get.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                You mean like how they argue irrevocable and perpetual arent the same thing? Yeah fuck off

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Really, funny I thought they might do something like say you own all the content you make and they cant use it unless you agree then bury that you agree by signing the document in legalese.

                Guess they wouldnt do that. Im so glad you educated me.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >no corporate entity ever tried to weasel illegal bullshit into a contract, ever
                >Not only has this never happened, no corporate dickshit has ever been made to look a fool for their greed.
                You just look asinine now. This attitude you have that big money entities will follow the rules just because is exactly the reason why they do this retarded shit, too many people think like you.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Don't care, didn't read. They leave OGL 1.0a alone or it's over. I will say no more.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >people that haven't had their brain rotted by "muh culchur wagh" political shit
          Fairly accurate description of anyone in Seattle they hire. Not like this is some big secret; a bunch of WotC employees have rainbow flags, pronouns, and black power fists in their profiles - and their history of likes and retweets reveals similar patterns. Wizards' brain trust is also rotted by culture war stuff.

          Unless you're trying to make the point that normative American political views are really gay, which is imo accurate. I've seen game shops sporting the rainbow D&D logo in rural Louisiana - and if that's what they're like in a blood red county, things only get gayer.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Except it isn't anon, most people that they would hire are you average joe creative type who honestly doesn't care to get involved until it actually affects them. And oooh wow they have rainbow flags (for fucks sake we don't care because there's literally no good reason to care), pronouns (ooooh le big bad pronouns so you can know that somebody named Francis is a dude or whatever), and black power fists (holy fuck anon, I could go into how the SPD is so absolute dogshit and has lost so much trust over 2 decades that you have to go out to the semi-rural suburbs that are plagued by meth to even see that thin blue violation of the flag code flag, let alone anybody who actually supports the SPD). Normative American views are generally pretty much on the side of "yeah whatever man" they are the literal definition of "don't care, but whatever". Unlike it seems the constantly online fags like here or Facebook, or Leddit, or any other social media.
            I mean according to people so entrenched in the culture war thjey think that it's normal, my Facebook full of friends and family has pretty much been, talk about their own lives and when it strays from that, literal apolitical memes from 2014, and that's supposedly the conservative bastion outside of the dumpster fire that is Twitter, and even that has state agencies trying to be fucking Wendy's and hilariously failing.
            And frankly it's not surprising that the hobby that was (and still is) the main hobby for people who weren't exactly the popular kids in school would be a-ok with going, "yeah we're cool" when it seems like the group that peaked in and keep trying to relive that time in high school is constantly acting like they have been since 2001.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You can just admit you want all that shit. It's not like you're fooling anybody when every single post you make sound like a curated corporate statement.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If by curated corporate statement, you mean based in reality and not in the online and funneling money to talking heads culture war mindset, sure.

                I was serious in stating that the SPD is so dogshit and not trusted that you have to go out to meth country to find a thin blue line flag, let alone somebody that actually supports them.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Anon, you act like WotC hasn't been an active participant in the culture war.

  53. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't care what they say. They are liars.
    Kill everyone at WotC.
    Kill everyone at WotC.
    Kill everyone at WotC.

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