Would cutting her brain open actually create a cure? >In TLOU1 The Fireflies were the crazy badguys terrorists

Would cutting her brain open actually create a cure?
>In TLOU1 The Fireflies were the crazy badguys terrorists
>In TLOU2 The Fireflies were the good guys trying to save the world
So which one is it?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the way I understand it is they already did the same thing they were going to do to ellie and it killed the patients every time and didn't work. the chances it would result in a viable cure were slim, thus, joel going nuclear.
    I refuse to play 2 though.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Given what pricks the Fireflies are, I legitimately think the world would be better off with no cure, rather than having the cure in their hands and giving them leverage over everybody.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      in a scenario like this, no cure is almost preferable because of what said. whoever finds the cure first becomes kind of the world in the worst way possible. i'd rather straight up global zombie insurrection.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Even with a cure, humanity was already lost.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Fireflies wanted to make a vaccine, but that's stupid because it's impossible to make a vaccine for a fungal infection.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't know the specifics but fungus is different from a virus to say the least.

        >it's impossible to make a vaccine for a fungal infection.
        Yeah and fungi cant survive in human body temperatures. So what?

        It's a fungal infection dumbass. It's different from the fungus you see growing on trees.
        I have a fungal infection myself so i should know.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Same reason you can't make a vaccine against food poisoning, stab wounds and vaccine damage.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Do you even know what vaccines are?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because it's a fungus
        Your immune system deals with pathogens by swallowing them whole, and forcing infected cells to kill themselves
        Anything bigger than that, and it is (mostly) powerless, especially with something that's not even an animal

        Same reason why there's no vaccine against Tapeworms

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it's impossible to make a vaccine for a fungal infection.
      Yeah and fungi cant survive in human body temperatures. So what?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >global warming has entered the chat

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Yeah and fungi cant survive in human body temperatures
        Man you're so fucking dumb.
        Hope you get a lung fungal infection (spoiler: you die painfully and its uncurable)

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Cope. Your "you cant make a vaccine for fungal infections it doesnt exist" argument is retarded and has no basis in TLOU's universe, cause the whole point is that Ellie's mutation may very well change that.
          You're applying real world sciences to a game where they have bloaters, clickers, and stalkers. Suspend your disbelief just a tinge more

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >what is thrush

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Thats gross as FUCK. Brush your teeth people

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's also impossible for aliens to look like na'vi. That means the whole plot of avatar was just a dream

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you are not only wrong, you are stupid

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the fungi already behaves in ways that are imposible even in fiction

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Literally all Joel had to tell Ellie was that those bros were off their fucking rocker and there wasn't a snowball's chance in hell a bunch of bedraggled remnants with a single retarded doctor in charge would do anything but kill her
    She'd still feel her survivor's guilt and think herself a failure for not martyring, but she'd get over it and wouldn't have a big fit over Joel lying to her years later

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >>In TLOU2 The Fireflies were the good guys trying to save the world
    Half the game is told from the perspective of Ex-Fireflies

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ellie herself is a Firefly adjacent. She doesn't necessarily think negative of them, but she saw them as a hopeful way out of her situation

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What’s to stop humanity just waiting it out? Eventually the fungus runs out of viable hosts to keep above replacement level and it’s clear that humanity in a civilized form has managed to stick around in the form of compounds and walled cities from the intro.
    Literally just sit things out for a few decades and spores become a manageable threat no more difficult for humanity than any other disease/deadly fauna or flora

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Did you even play the games? The cordyceps doesn't need humans to survive, you can find it growing all over the place, even in places where humans haven't been in years
      Whittling down populations of the already infected and better protecting against new cases while regrowing the human population should be feasible though

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So i am expected to believe that the fireflies have the resources to extract, reproduce on a mass scale and distribute vaccine X or what the fuck ever and will do so for the benevolence of man kind?

    Lets be real even if we believe 2s bull shit that eating Ellie's brain would give super powers they would only be able to make a limited amount of immune people and as a bunch of terrorists would probably just make a group of immune soldiers that go around threatening places to give up what ever they want or they will just go around throwing spore bombs on everyone since it will do fuck all to them.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >So i am expected to believe that the fireflies have the resources to extract, reproduce on a mass scale and distribute vaccine X or what the fuck ever and will do so for the benevolence of man kind?
      No, but it would give them leverage over every other faction alive

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        leverage over what? every other faction would literally shoot them on sight just for invading their territory

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's the most shockingly awful writing in the whole game
    they quite literally just want to use brainjuice as a vaccine
    that's the most farcical, not even superficially scientific bullshit ever
    and then game pretends it's legit and every gay is like
    >BRO IT'S SUCH A MORAL DILEMMA! BUT I THINK THEY RIGHT THO
    the people that play these games are stupid beyond rational comprehension

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Would cutting her brain open actually create a cure?
    Yes, but it's safe and effective kind of vaccine.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It might work in the fictional universe of the game, but the premise is hilariously detached from reality. It's not even worth speculating about.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In I Am Legend, all Will had to do was take a blood sample and "place" it into an already finished vaccine, which all it required was the right genome responsible for immunity to the virus.
    And they say that TLOU is TOP when it comes to the plot. Fireflies were mere retards who had no idea what they were doing, but hey, let's open this little cursing whore's brain and see what happens, surely no one will come to her rescue, and certainly not this old fuck with lost daughter syndrome

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's worth noting that in I Am Legend, the guy also spent years testing and tweaking multiple vaccines over and over.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Dr. Jerry Anderson experimented with infected patients. Studying Ellie could have been the breakthrough they needed to develop something, anything to give humanity their first leverage against the infection

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's true, I'm just saying I Am Legend made it seem like there was much more progress done on getting a working treatment from the start.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >"Studying Ellie"
          >immediately tried to murder her to put her brain in a blender
          it's like people defending this shitty story aren't even paying attention to it

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I always have proof to back up whatever I say. Tests were being run on Ellie and Jerry determined the cordyceps mutation is like nothing he's ever seen

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >MUH RETCON
              >just fluff
              >doesn't(can't) change that retard instantly tried to murder Ellie immediately to make a brain smoothie, the most laughably stupid thing a doctor would never do
              lmao, nice cope fag
              once again, it's like you're not paying attention to the fucking trash you guzzle down

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Immediately with the cries of retcon. I saw it coming, see

                They determined that the best course of action would be to remove the infection but it would kill Ellie. And no this isn't a retcon, Part 1 says the same thing. Joel says it would kill her

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Couldn't they just culture a sample from her blood, or scrape just a little bit off of the surface?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                this cutscene looks off, do you have the exact same bit from the original game? did it always look like this, graphics aside?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Here's the remastered

                Here's the original ps3. Sorry for the fucking Pewdiepie letsplay but I cant find the scene by itself for the ps3 version

                ?t=2213

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not crazy, it does look off, particularly when it zooms in on her face in the "a vaccine" line. I also prefer the remastered facial expressions for her, somehow.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's still all bullshit
                >This thing looks different.. it must be why she's immune!

                Doesn't even make sense. The zombie that bit her was harbouring a mutated fungus? The fungus mutated when it bit her? The fungus mutated after it was already in her bloodstream?

                And somehow, this mutated fungus would somehow hold the cure?

                Fact is the Fireflies didn't have the resources to produce a vaccine. Everything they said is bullshit. The mutated fungus could be an extreme version of the cordecyps that once exposed to air is 100% lethal instead of zombiefying them. The point is that Joel was correct in what he did.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              They determined that the best course of action would be to remove the infection but it would kill Ellie. And no this isn't a retcon, Part 1 says the same thing. Joel says it would kill her

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Immediately with the cries of retcon. I saw it coming, see
                [...]

                >MUH PROOF
                >*shows video that changes nothing*
                the average tlou fag is literally incapable of thinking for themselves
                all you've been doing is parrotting the shitty and flimsy rationalisation of the game for it's stupid fucking scene
                while I told you that the whole shit with the doctor splitting that skull open as soon as she gets there to make a brain slurpie is the single dumbest, unjustifiable, laughably badly written horse shit imaginable
                and your reply to this
                >BUT THE GAME SAYS
                what the game says is fucking stupid, and believing it for a single second makes you a dumbfuck of the highest proportions
                cope with another vid tho gay

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Disregarding in-game footage thats being used to discuss what happens in-game because........reasons?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                right, once again you are proving you're a crayon munching stupid fuck
                here, even dumber for you
                >game does something stupid
                >game pretends it wasn't stupid
                this is the part where, ironically because of the scene in question, people with a brain go
                >no that was fucking stupid
                do you get the picture now you bereft of mind fucking gay, that replying with
                >BUT THE GAME PRETENDED IT WASNT STUPID
                is not only not a proper reply, it is exposing yourself as a subhuman fucking retard incapable of conversing at an intelligent level
                seeth more dumb fuck

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Make sure you change your diaper before replying. At this point you're arguing for your dumb headcanon.
                Jerry Anderson doesn't even want Marlene to tell Joel that the surgery is going to happen. He wants to lose no time exploring a possible avenue to making a cure

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >mindbroken retard defaults to repeating the game's shitty writing again
                lmao, pissbaby can't handle talking about the shitty writing
                sorry to burst your bubble gay, but analysis means is more than just regurgitation of the text

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Read
                >Jerry Anderson doesn't even want Marlene to tell Joel that the surgery is going to happen. He wants to lose no time exploring a possible avenue to making a cure
                And this scene

                They determined that the best course of action would be to remove the infection but it would kill Ellie. And no this isn't a retcon, Part 1 says the same thing. Joel says it would kill her

                Jerry is obsessed with seeing this through that he doesn't want to wait for Ellie to wake up to discuss consent and he doesn't want Joel to know cause to him it's not that important. What is important is making full use of this opportunity.
                That's how he justifies it to himself and why he believes he's right. You thinking that's retarded is a separate discussion

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >repeats shitty writing like a robot
                lmao, it's like talking to a roomba
                >You thinking that's retarded is a separate discussion
                no it isn't you dumb fuck, it's the core issue because its stupidity destroys any credibility of your "muh gay andersoons ebin believs"
                it's poorly written garbage for stupid fucks like you to dilate over only for you to then turn around and cry about the people not buying into this abysmal fucking crap aimed at the 70iq retarded mongoloids

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >cope with another vid tho gay
                I'll indulge

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                read this

                right, once again you are proving you're a crayon munching stupid fuck
                here, even dumber for you
                >game does something stupid
                >game pretends it wasn't stupid
                this is the part where, ironically because of the scene in question, people with a brain go
                >no that was fucking stupid
                do you get the picture now you bereft of mind fucking gay, that replying with
                >BUT THE GAME PRETENDED IT WASNT STUPID
                is not only not a proper reply, it is exposing yourself as a subhuman fucking retard incapable of conversing at an intelligent level
                seeth more dumb fuck

                while you dilate some more

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You just know he looked at her dicky while she was unconscious

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes use footage from the remake version and not say the original or PS4 remaster fagnuts

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's the exact same. I only have minimal ps4 remaster footage outside of this

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        wasn't he trying to cure the vampires

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >So which one is it?
    I mean that's the whole point of the 2nd game. to give you a 2nd perspective and show that choices aren't black and white. there is greys in life everywhere. fucking dipshit why am I not surprised a Gankertard shitposting about the game only shitposts because hes too stupid to understand it

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >So which one is it?
      >I mean that's the whole point of the 2nd game. to give you a 2nd perspective and show that choices aren't black and white. there is greys in life everywhere. fucking dipshit why am I not surprised a Gankertard shitposting about the game only shitposts because hes too stupid to understand it
      But the Fireflies being the good guys is literally impossible. 1 schizo doctor cutting Ellies brain open doesnt magically give them a cure. So the whole moral dilemma doesnt make any sense.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it was all just a dream

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's not really just one schizo doctor. It's what we as players know as the "leading" faction in the known canon of TLOU. You could argue that they have a better shot with the grey choice of studying her for years instead of a simple life or death choice. The people who knew what they were going to do to ellie simply thought of the greater good. The life of one for the life of many. If all your evidence and research points to her corpse being the catalyst for development of a vaccine or a cure and you've been pushed to this point why wouldn't you sacrifice her?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's just a genuinely stupid choice. I like the game's ending a lot, I think it was beautifully executed and the discussion is worthless, but it really is stupid to kill her on the spot, even if they truly believed it was the best choice at the time. What is the best choice at the time can change, her status as deceased won't if they change their minds later. Keeping her alive and running tests for a considerable amount of time is 1000% the better choice. Including, yes, breeding her and seeing how the children come out. I'm sure someone willing to die for the cure is willing to have sex as well.
          It's a stupid reason to hate on the game itself, but a perfectly valid reason to question their decision, logically.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    From a narrative standpoint and the emphasis on Joel's decision, I firmly believe they would've been able to make a cure.
    Even if that was the case, still dont care. I would've also saved the cute little girl

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    both games are the same in that aspect of the story (and in every other one). You're just a retard who fell for chud memes

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Extremely unlikely, completely irrelevant. He was willing to do what he did even if it did, and that's what makes the story powerful. But it really is extremely unlikely, so it's hard to resist not mocking curefags when they keep trying judge the story not on its merits as fiction, but by contrasting their own morality with the protagonists'.
    Ok, you wouldn't have done what he did, so what, you stupid fucking moron? Do you think every single person who read and enjoyed Dexter are ok with murder?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >He was willing to do what he did even if it did, and that's what makes the story powerful.
      but you don't get it. Cuckmann hates Joel because garden gnomes hate white people

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Joel is TexMex and I'll defend that to the grave

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I knew a guy who had that look who I thought was tex mex but is apparently white when I met his sister and family. Got pissed when I asked if growing up the Mailman was mexican

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            are you still such a sperg

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why do you think he’s TexMex?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The beard and face. He's at the very least mixed with some Hispanic. If you're a deep south Texan then its likely.
            Jerry Anderson is obviously very white. Joel Miller, even with that last name, has some Hispanic in him

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Interesting. Makes sense. The more I look at Joel the more I can see it. Might explain why he’s so brutal/ruthless compared to other whites. His Hispanic genes

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >several parts of the remaster still look objectively better (rain on the car)
              embarassing

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I honestly think the remaster looks better overall, am I stupid?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're only stupid if you give even half a shit about what Anonymous thinks about you for having opinions about video games.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >several parts of the remaster still look objectively better (rain on the car)
                embarassing

                I think its interesting that art-style sometimes looks better than high fidelity realism. It's why some game remasters look worse despite having actual lighting and better rendering tech.
                With dated hardware you go through the effort to artificially polish it to hide cut corners, and that polish is just that: really good polish.
                While the tlou1 remake is an objective improvement, it makes sense how things can look worse

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I just played the remake, and while it does look good, its the exact same fucking issue with Demons Souls where it could not have been any more unecessary. So many opportunities to make the gameplay better too

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So many opportunities to make the gameplay better too
                Yeah I didnt expect Joel to be able to prone and be so fluid in his 50s, but a light dodge would have made so much of a difference. Quickturns are awkward and jarring, and in the 1st game thats all you have alongside awkwardly running out of the way.
                I've died to bloater charges so much cause Joel moves like a freaking tank

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Yeah I didnt expect Joel to be able to prone and be so fluid in his 50s, but a light dodge would have made so much of a difference.
                Its not even that. THATS an understandable defense because they would have to redesign every level for prone otherwise

                They could have AT LEAST done it for Left Behind or Winter as Ellie. ANYTHING. NOTHING is different. In fact, they just made things slower. You vault half as fast and I'm pretty sure they nerfed aim speed significantly to be like 2.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The gameplay for TLOU games is such a secondary concern for the developers.

                Like what's the point of spores? There's no time limit for Joel being in those areas, there's no need to collect or maintain a mask.

                There are so many things they should have tried to do through gameplay, like how to deal with Sam when he turns out to be infected.

                For that matter, what's the point of Ellie in TLOU1? Enemy characters barely ever even try to kill her, she's just a prop to bring up in cutscenes.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This is why I have a love/hate relationship with these games, because if they just leaned a LITTLE bit more into gameplay they would be so much fucking better. Having to find gas masks and shit.

                >like how to deal with Sam when he turns out to be infected.
                The fact that they have you save him or Henry makes me think there was some scrapped idea for alternate scenes. Little things like that would add so much if done properly

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It’s the remake in the remaster he was pretty much the same as Ellie

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It’s the Iberian Briton Bell Beaker Phenotype.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >this is your Netflix Joel Miller

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Not not these. The swarthy ones.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think the second game's story is unbelievably stupid, but the Joel fangirls did irreperable damage to the discussion, it's honestly kind of impressive that the game managed to intellectually filter so many people with such a simple (and shitty, in my opinion) story.
        I think you have to be stupid to enjoy that crap, but you have to be so much more stupid to get offended at a story's inciting incident, and declare the whole script to be garbage on the spot.
        Discussing that game is a gigantic waste of time, not sure why I'm even posting this. At least I enjoy shitting on Uncharted 4. Discussing The Last of Us 2 is just a miserable experience.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Discussing The Last of Us 2 is just a miserable experience.
          It's a miserable game but thats precisely why I love it

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you already proved you love it because you lack intelligent thought sister

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              And life just goes on in circles

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Agreed. The doom and misery and lack of hope really brought the ending of that game up.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            man, I don't even hate the game, but that punch really is funny. I get the meme

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The Rattler punch is unironically my favorite meme of all time.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            miserable is that i have to see this ugly ass chud

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How big of a deal is it to have a cure, anyway? The infected can't last forever; their numbers have to dwindle eventually. In the immediate aftermath of the outbreak, people would want a cure, sure. But these games are set years afterwards, with cities having been re-established.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >How big of a deal is it to have a cure, anyway?
      It would make spores a non-issue. You come across numerous new+recent infected because of spores. Some would intentionally infect others (Hillcrest, Ellie to Nora) while others became infected unknowingly (you come across a note in TLOU1 detailing a group of survivors didnt notice spores until too late)

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It would make spores a non-issue.
        also, Tess would survive. Henry and Sam would survive. Riley would survive etc

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Tess would survive. Henry and Sam would survive
          Tess gets infected 10 minutes after they leave, Sam gets transformed in less than 24 hours.
          Joel's journey takes literal months. You are a fucking retard

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i can't even tell if you're joking

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Tess does assisted suicide before she can lose it but Sam absolutely does turn in the space of a single night

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                how is it not obvious from the context that that anon meant
                >they would survive if there was a vaccine
                ?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because it literally implies there's a vaccine already, and there's no need to take Ellie to the fireflies

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                jesus fucking christ, a legitimate clinical retard

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >tess would survive if there was a vaccine
                >"but there's no vaccine and the journey wouldn't give her time to receive one regardless if was a success"
                >huurr u retard
                have a nice day.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                how do you solve captchas?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I dunno, I didn't read further up their discussion and thought he was actually talking about the time it takes for the infection to run its course

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I genuinely understand why people feel compelled to explain away the only interesting part of TLOU's story.
    >umm actually the cure would have been impossible due to facts and logic
    okay but Joel wasn't thinking about any of that shit he did it for fucked up personal reasons.
    If you're talking about the actual logistics instead of the characters then it's just pointless.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's because back when the game came out, moralfags couldn't resist the desire of making the discussion about them, it was all about what they would have done, and a lot of retards saying it should have been a choice with multiple endings.
      Once you make the discussion about "what the right choice would have been", it's impossible to not mention how absurd the concept is, realistically, for a game that was fairly grounded the rest of the way.

      The story would have lost all of its weight if Joel had a monologue saying all of the reasons why the cure thing was ridiculous before doing what he did, but the moment you start condemning his actions and, more importantly, of those who agreed with him, it's impossible not to bring up real world logic.
      It should have been a story about a broken father and how far he was willing to go for his surrogate daughter, far enough to possibly damage their own relationship beyond repair, which is something worthy appreciating and reflecting about by itself, but moralfags needed to self-insert, and make sure he was on the right side of history, or whatever retarded bullshit expression was in vogue at the time.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The story would have lost all of its weight if Joel had a monologue saying all of the reasons why the cure thing was ridiculous before doing what he did, but the moment you start condemning his actions and, more importantly, of those who agreed with him, it's impossible not to bring up real world logic.
        Yep. He says his reason at the end.
        He struggled a long time with surviving. You just keep searching for something to fight for. He was justified to himself and that's all that matters

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Moralfags are the kind of cucks that would not pull the trigger on a man who's about to rape your daughter because if he doesnt shoot, both will survive, but if he shoots, only her daughter will live

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >get a one in a billion person with immunity to the fungus
    >kill them immediately
    they seemed retarded and had no way to mass produce a cure even if they did make one

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this really is the crux of the matter. Humanity is in an at least semi stable state, not facilitating those with immunity to have as many kids as possible is retarded. Completely ignoring this and just taking an ice cream scoop to their head is doubly so

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I thought they described the immunity as being due to the fungus on her brain being a mutated specimen, not some genetic factor on Ellie's part

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I think its just hand waved away as an ambiguous "mutation" with no explanation as to who, what, why, or how. Of course this doesnt matter, as the smart thing to do would still be to get them to have as many kids as possible while you try to figure out those questions and not kill them on sight.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Almsot as if the plot was written by two different people.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://twitter.com/bruce_straley/status/477828311708491776?cxt=HHwWgICT8KuUy6ENAAAA

      sex is nice, you should try it

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    sex with 14yo ellie

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What makes the ending great is the fact Joel threw away a one-in-a-billion chance to save the world to save Ellie.
    Debating whether it would've worked or not is out of the question. It would've saved the world. But Joel still saved, Ellie in the most selfish yet still unfathomably BASED fashion he could.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yeah, that's why it is so cool

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Selfish is Druckmann's take on it. It was the least selfish thing Joel had done in a long time.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I want to add, that Ellie's lingering doubt and uncertainty over Joel's account of what happened is another detail that makes the ending work well.
      Instead of just telling the audience that the ending is happy and everything will work out, it adds a hint of bittersweet-ness to by having Ellie express uncertainty. We will never truly know if Joel's decision will work out for the both of them.

      Then the second game happened and decided to answer this question for us that didn't need to be answered.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Then the second game happened and decided to answer this question for us that didn't need to be answered.
        Ellie naturally explored it, as a disgruntled teen. What else could she have done?0 Every happy moment between her and Joel on the surface had this awkward edge to it because Ellie would always question if there really were other immune people or be reminded of the Fireflies. She needed answers for closure, and those answers horrified her. Part 2 is a tragedy cause Ellie's hate is also directed towards herself for wasting the years she had left with Joel by being angry with him.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The second game 'answered' this question in the dumbest way possible because Druckman is a retard.
          Save your excuses and bullshit. The second game doesn't exist to me.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well why do you think so?
            It's a worthy sequel. It has pacing issues but it's a cohesive story

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Well why do you think so?
              You can figure that out for yourself, Neil.
              TLOU2 has been out for years and is one of the most analyzed and talked-about games in history. I'm sure you can figure out why it's not a good game and why people have problems with it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >asks anon for discussion
                >he seethes instead
                Why even be here?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                do you have a webm for every fucking second of both games?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Only for noteworthy parts, mainly gameplay. I mean I recorded my entire playthroughs for both.
                In another tlou thread I was in a spamfight with trolls and I ended up making 70+ webms. It's a saturday OK I dont work weekends

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >In another tlou thread I was in a spamfight with trolls
                So you're a butthurt Naughty Dog employee?
                Is that why you're here unironically using words like 'troll' to describe people who don't like your dumb game?

              • 2 weeks ago
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                trolls
                shitposters
                morons
                all the same thing really. and the thread has numerous deleted comments so it was quite literally trolling

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >and those answers horrified her
          I can understand her being a naive, unstable teen and her romantic wish to die for a cause but I really don't understand how you could react to someone basically saving you from death in such a way.
          She literally wanted to die. As a 14 years old girl. And she was pissed off because somebody was clever enough to consider this retarded.
          "Robbed of choice" my ass. Joel did nothing wrong,

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >And she was pissed off because somebody was clever enough to consider this retarded.
            That final conversation with Joel where he's like
            >If the Lord gave me a second chance I'll do it all over again
            She really understood the extent of his love and why he did it, Ellie has a greater purpose than being a guinea pig. She can exist to bring love, like she's brought to Joel, Tommy, Dina, Jesse, Jackson at large. All they needed is to have that one heart-to-heart. And then he dies the next day.
            That's what makes it a tragedy

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Back in 2013 I had an idea that the eventual sequel would be about the Fireflies trying to take revenge for the massacre and taking Ellie. She had to find out about it and the lie sooner or later and that would damage her relationship with Joel, The story's premise would be about whether Ellie can forgive him and if she understands what he did actually.
        Well, I wasn't wrong. Technically.
        I never expected it to turn into a story putting somebody else in the center, though.

        I would have killed the Fireflies just on general principle for refusing to pay me after dragging some brat across the whole damn country.

        Based but tbh it was his own fault, I guess they'd have paid him after the surgery.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think the Fireflies sincerely believed it was a possibility- a good enough shot to be worth killing her, anyway.
    I don't think they were completely delusional mad scientists, but I do think there was some cause to have reasonable doubt that it would have worked.
    Part 2 doesn't fundamentally contradict anything in part 1, but just clarifies a couple things. Most importantly, it confirms that Joel believed them and made his decision anyway. I personally never doubted that, but it makes sense that those who felt otherwise were upset that the sequel invalidated their interpretation.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they had good intentions, but had an incredibly low chance for success and were blind to the evils they were committing as a result of those intentions

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's glaringly obvious to anyone with two braincells that the Fireflies are full of shit at every step of the way.
    >Perform a craniotomy on Ellie to get a sample to make a vaccine and save the world
    This makes no sense and would've killed Ellie and rendered any samples useless because they would've decayed with her death. Point blank. Brain surgery in a post apocalyptic world in a shitty rundown hospital by people you don't really know? And they've done this multiple times before and it always failed? Why are they the only ones working on a vaccine? That's stupidly implausible, the entire world would've been working on it. Unless the government remnants have already been researching it and decided it's impossible.
    But okay, let's say they extract the sample.
    So the Fireflies get their vaccine, how are they going to propagate it? How are they going to vaccinate the population? The entire game is two people making a cross-country trek, imagine trying to do that with delicate (and getting rarer and rarer by the day) equipment. And a vaccine won't stop the infected from tearing you to bits and pieces, you just wont turn into one afterwards.
    But okay, let's say they extract the sample AND make the vaccine.
    Are they really just a bunch of altruistic little good boys and girls? Are you sure they don't have ANY ulterior motives for wanting to be the ONLY people with a vaccine? That'd sure give them a LOT of power in a post apocalyptic world. And money, too. Anything they want really. I bet people would do anything for them to get the vaccine. Or you know, the government remnants just fucking steamroll them and take it for themselves.

    But the sequel spins this all around just to be le heckin subversive. Fireflies did absolutely nothing wrong and totally had a foolproof plan that would've totally worked and Joel is bad guy for not wanting an innocent child to die.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >That's stupidly implausible, the entire world would've been working on it. Unless the government remnants have already been researching it and decided it's impossible.
      The game's intro says that vaccine attempts have failed.
      And for 20 years there was no hope for that to change. Then Ellie came along.
      That's the whole premise. A newspaper clipping you pikc up towards the end of the game states that estimated 60% of the world population died off, so governments gave up

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >so governments gave up
        right, anyone that read this thinks both you and the game are unbelievably fucking dumb

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          OK you think the game is stupid. The game still tells us that governments gave up rescue efforts. Efforts for cure and vaccine failed. Then government systems crumbled into the FEDRA QZ checkpoints we see in the games.

          To your other points, the Fireflies cope with their FUTURE FOR MANKING slogan and shit but they would absolutely use the cure as leverage against other factions. It would make them an actual fighting force cause up to the events of TLOU1 they were losing their efforts against FEDRA and were planning to withdraw out of Boston and go West, presumably to St. Mary's Hospital with Ellie

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I love TLOU, it is the ultimate litmus test for whether or not someone's a cuck. I don't need logic or science or paragraphs of fancy debate and philosophical bullshit. You're not killing my family, end of story.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    TLOU1 was obviously written with the ending being ambiguous and morally conflicting on whether the fireflies were right or wrong and whether a father's love was important enough to ignore saving the world over a potential cure over mind controlling fungus.

    TLOU2 seems to be going the whole Fireflies were obviously right and Joel was a crazy bastard for even trying to save Ellie in the first place by killing smart intelligent firefly scientists. Now that the franchise is being controlled by the guy who wrote TLOU2 I'm guessing it's Joel being wrong is the angle being pushed more now.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >TLOU2 seems to be going the whole Fireflies were obviously right and Joel was a crazy bastard for even trying to save Ellie in the first place by killing smart intelligent firefly scientists.
      Half the game is told from the perspective of Ex-Fireflies.Owen tells Abby
      >The fireflies blew up checkpoints and assassinated soldiers
      To pop her bubble that the Fireflies were this idealistic group of goodguys

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >TLOU2 seems to be going the whole Fireflies were obviously right and Joel was a crazy bastard for even trying to save Ellie in the first place by killing smart intelligent firefly scientists.

      The fact that this was your take away from the game just shows that you really just took the surface value bullshit happening on your screen and didn't think about it for more than 20 seconds.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      people explained this thing to you probably hundreds of times in the last two and a half year and you still don't understand it

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >and Joel was a crazy bastard for even trying to save Ellie in the first place by killing smart intelligent firefly scientists.
      that's not what is in the game

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Now that the franchise is being controlled by the guy who wrote TLOU2
      He's the same guy who wrote TLOU1. This makes no sense. I think he hasn't shipped a good game since, and that makes me think he just got lucky with that one script, but you can't just deny reality. He did write and co-direct that game.
      If you want to blame a single person for it, even without evidence, then you should either be blaming his co-writers that weren't present in the first game or the lack of his co-director who left the company after Uncharted 4, but that depends on how favorably you see Uncharted 4. I think that game sucks too.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The head writer left between 1 and 2, retard

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Americans don't understand that you don't develop vaccines by doing surgery on them. Science is hard for western game story writers.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pure obsession

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Super serious apocalyptic game
    >Pulls off the most retarded "interpretation" (seriously, the writers and directors not even tried to read Wikipedia) about how vaccines work
    Both games are poorly written misery porn, but 2 is more retarded because at the end pulls off a Disney tier moral message about how REVENGE IS LE BAD, and has the most retarded flashbacks I ever seen since Advent Children

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The revenge wasn't the point, but I get that its easily the most divisive thing

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you didn't play it

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It wasn't about revenge, or rather not entirely. It was the main plotline but not the main message.
      It's about "what revenge can lead up to". Essentially answering the "...but at what cost" question from two perspectives. What does it take for you to forgive someone.
      Don't get me wrong, it still has lots of plotholes, like Joel dropping his guard despite being one of the coldest motherfuckers alive in TLoU1 or Ellie being weaker than starved, exhausted crucified and unarmed Abby who got away with murder twice, but people shitposting about "REVENGE BAD" have two-digit IQ.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It's about "what revenge can lead up to".
        This sounds like the people who praised the first game for being "more than a zombie apocalypse story", because "this one is actually about the people", ignoring (or, rather, being ignorant of the fact) that the entire literary genre was built on "actually it's about the people" from its inception.
        The thing midwits thought made the first game different from the others is the reason why it's generic. It's also great, I think it's brilliantly written, but it is generic.
        Similarly, when people say Part II is a revenge plot, they're not missing the subtleties of its commentary on cycles of violence, they're correctly identifying that this is also the point of almost every other revenge plot under the sun, and if anything, much like in the zombie apocalypse scenario, it actually being about taking revenge and played straight would be the fresh take. I'm not one to think something is good just because it deviates from the norm, but the people going "AKSHUALLY" are clearly unaware that it is, in fact, the norm.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Revenge drives the plot but the game is about processing trauma, guilt, and loss. The pursuit of revenge is a catalyst to explore those things. It's the point of the flashbacks. Abby is so driven by her obsession to find Joel that she can't enjoy romantic or wholesome moments with Owen, who simply tells her "We're allowed to be happy."
          Same with Dina and Ellie. Dina tells Ellie that Abby doesn't have to be more important than what they have. But Ellie can't let go.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Right, but, again, that's usually the point of every revenge story. If you think this makes Part II "not a revenge plot", then you're probably not familiar with those. Much like people saying "it's actually about the people" are clearly not familiar with zombie fiction.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's profoundly hypocritical for people to praise the first game for its harsh brutal depiction of a world that's fallen apart in which anyone can die at any time for a long list of reasons, to then bitch and complain that Joel "died too easily" or some shit.

          I don't care how much of a power fantasy role model people made Joel out to be, he isn't able to read minds or see into the future.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sure, I agree, I can't think of many more stupid reasons to criticize a story than "I dislike how the main character was treated". Especially when the way he was treated is the whole point of the scene, it's the inciting incident that sets the whole story in motion. Without that treatment, there is no story.
            It's still a fairly standard revenge plot. If anything its fans should be saying that as another reason why it's so weird that people can't get it, not pretending it's so much more than that.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >It's still a fairly standard revenge plot. If anything its fans should be saying that as another reason why it's so weird that people can't get it, not pretending it's so much more than that.
              Gave this some thought as I went to get the laundry and honestly you're right. I do think Part 2 is more than its revenge themes but its wrong to fully divorce it from the idea that its a revenge story.
              Abby's campaign starts with the fulfillment of revenge and how unsatisfying that was. She spends her campaign looking for something to fight for and fights like hell once she finds it.
              It's the opposite for Ellie. She's fighting like hell to recover something dear she lost but she's been searching in all the wrong places, which is the point of the farm + Santa Barbara.
              It's a deliberately written game that takes bold narrative leaps and decisions, it's made me feel things not many vidyas ever have done so before. Even if the premise is generic, its the execution that keeps me thinking about it

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >then bitch and complain that Joel "died too easily" or some shit.
            I don't have an issue with him dying, as you've just said it's a world where everyone can die at any time and I also consider the main idea of pissing off the player with his death to feel the exact same rage as Ellie fucking brilliant.
            I have an issue with the events leading to his death strongly out of character.
            That surgeon was a literal nobody and was low-key retconned to look more humane. I can understand the premise of "you can be the villain in somebody else's story, even a literal nobody", I can also understand if the premise was that it's Abby's heavily glorified perspective. But I can't understand how Joel, someone who used fake names throughout TLOU1, someone who never dropped his guard even on the verge of dying, someone capable of torturing and mutilating people for the smallest crumb of information, someone being so careful about literally everything... Casually trusts random strangers, just like his brother, who in TLOU1 ordered everyone to gatekeep Jackson from all kinds of newcomers and also just so casually introduces both of them with their real names after laying down weapons and getting in the middle of the group. I don't buy any possibility of him getting soft over time and I also don't buy that after murdering the entire fucking hospital full of soldiers, some of whom he may have met much earlier in the past, even one of them managed to survive and remember both his face and name.
            This is fine on the outside but absolutely wrong on the inside.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >That surgeon was a literal nobody
              I understand that he may have been a seemingly random npc in the original game, but he IS the leader of the Salt Lake City Fireflies Outpost, Abby says so herself. He's probably one of the most important people in that hospital, maybe even second to Marlene.
              I don't think giving him a backstory in Part 2 is retconning

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I seriously don't remember any mention of him having a leader position in TLoU1, the only one said to be of such importance was Marlene, but it's been literally a decade, so I may be wrong.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That was all given in Part 2. In Part 1 he's just referred to as a Doctor.
                But it makes sense, a head surgeon in the apocalypse is a valuable skill and would likely hold a position of power. Part 2 took that and went running with it

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >This is fine on the outside but absolutely wrong on the inside.
              Naughty Dog definitely could have done a better job being more explicit with this. In Joel's house you can see the various hobbies he's taken up as well as the projects in his workshop. He's definitely living a normal life and for a brief period of time he had that father-daughter relationship with Ellie, one that was shot out of his arms 20 years ago. Even after Ellie distances herself he still is protective by nagging Jesse about her patrols and getting aggressive with Seth when he called her & dina Dykes.
              Ellie told Joel one night that she was ready to try to forgive him for what he did at St. Mary's Hospital, and that was the night before he died. So maybe he was riding on some high, looking forward to spending time with Ellie that night. They were supposed to watch a movie together

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >casually trusts random strangers
              This is the only part which doesn't track for me, though with the extenuating circumstance of a horde attacking as they meet and no hostility cropping up between the two as they help each other survive, it's not impossible, just a bit of a stretch.
              >I don't buy any possibility of him getting soft over time
              He got soft over the course of the first game anon, of course he might soften up off-screen in-between games.
              >even one of them managed to survive and remember both his face and name
              I don't think anybody survived nor did anybody know what he looked like, which is why Abby didn't become hostile until he was introduced after they'd escaped the horde. She definitely knew the name though, Marlene must've said something to some Fireflies who weren't in the building or maybe Abby's father was told "Joel's finally arrived with the girl" and he passed it on. Could've been written somewhere, who knows?
              >making thye player feel the exact same rage as Ellie is fucking brilliant
              My emotions felt like they were on a roller coaster the entire game and I didn't know how I felt about it as a whole until it was over.
              >I have an issue with the events leading to his death strongly out of character
              That's fair. I don't think it was handled perfectly, but well enough with a lot of good shit in the game to make up for it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It's also great, I think it's brilliantly written, but it is generic.
          If you're going to perfectly execute a known trope then you deserve to be called a genius. TLoU1 was good because although it doesn't tell you nothing you haven't heard of before (at least as an intelligent person which I generously assume you are) it tells you that in a way never seen before. The production value and direction have no equals, at least from what I've seen. The Road as a book doesn't hit me the same because an audio-visual medium will always be superior to imagination. To me at least.
          This is my relationship with anime as of now. I've seen lots of titles following the same fucking main plotline and utilizing the same fucking ideas, but if one of them is going to implement them much better than the others, then I am going to call it good.
          Pic rel, my first 10/10 and the anime where I fell in love with Naoko Yamada's directing and Tomoyo Kurosawa's voice acting. I read some of the LNs and they're just so inferior that it's sad.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Brother, Kurosawa was on another level in that show. I remember a brief scene in season 2 where Kumiko talks to the girl who dropped out of the band, and I was actually a little distracted by how obviously "anime girl" the other girl sounded compared to Kumiko, who could have been speaking right next to me.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >audio-visual medium will always be superior to imagination

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Brother, Kurosawa was on another level in that show. I remember a brief scene in season 2 where Kumiko talks to the girl who dropped out of the band, and I was actually a little distracted by how obviously "anime girl" the other girl sounded compared to Kumiko, who could have been speaking right next to me.

              Yep. To think that this was basically her debut as a relevant character doesn't cease to amaze me. I instantly recognized her in Majo no Tabitabi and Cyberpunk.
              Prove me wrong.
              You can't.
              You can have a nice story
              OR
              You can have a nice story with spoken dialogue, music and actual visuals.
              Why settle for less?

              As I said, I think it's great, brilliantly written. The generic comment isn't a negative against the game, I was specifically addressing people saying it's not generic, and that's why it was so good. They're wrong on both accounts. It is generic, and that's not a problem.
              Naoko Yamada is my favorite director in anime as well, by the way. But my favorite anime is actually Whisper of the Heart. My favorite of hers is The Shape of Voice, but I do adore Eupho as well. But wasn't Ishihara the showrunner for that one? Though she did a fair bit of directing, and Liz and the Blue Bird was also beautiful, and that one was fully hers.

              >But wasn't Ishihara the showrunner for that one?
              It's a bit complicated. She's put a lot of work into the entire series and her official role was "Production Director" and EP director for just a few episodes, so not THE director, but you can see her spirit through the entire series. KyoAni works different from other studios and many positions are merely figurative, because they work as an actual company with actual employees instead of a fuckton of contracted freelancers. Thus, even if she wasn't responsible for some things on paper, she could've been responsible for much more actually. And to me it 100% looks like she was.
              Check out Heike Monogatari from Winter 2022, it's her first work after leaving KyoAni and it's wonderful too.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, she's always fantastic, didn't miss a beat so far, as far as I'm concerned. Really looking forward to the next movie.
                Truly a shame that Nishiya lost his life. They made for a phenomenal team and had such a striking style for her movies.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            As I said, I think it's great, brilliantly written. The generic comment isn't a negative against the game, I was specifically addressing people saying it's not generic, and that's why it was so good. They're wrong on both accounts. It is generic, and that's not a problem.
            Naoko Yamada is my favorite director in anime as well, by the way. But my favorite anime is actually Whisper of the Heart. My favorite of hers is The Shape of Voice, but I do adore Eupho as well. But wasn't Ishihara the showrunner for that one? Though she did a fair bit of directing, and Liz and the Blue Bird was also beautiful, and that one was fully hers.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      'vaccine' is just a concise way of saying they want to culture the mutant brain cordyceps and infect other people with it.
      It's similar to how vaccines work and actually somewhat plausible for a group like them to pull off.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >and infect other people with it.
        I don't believe that this was the intention of the writers, but if that was the actual plan of the Fireflies, then that would've made the game so much worse with "WELL ACTUALLY THEY'RE FUCKING EVIL AND WANT TO MURDER EVERYONE".

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          meant to reply to

          The Fireflies wanted to make a vaccine, but that's stupid because it's impossible to make a vaccine for a fungal infection.

          the characters are laymen and their definition of 'vaccine' is just something to provide immunity to a disease.

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do you think Sony and Naugty Dog are worried over the fact that Ellie will get nude mods?

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Leon was able to deal with the parasite inside him and Ashley with a bunch of specialized equipment he didn't even know how to use.

    What exactly was society's excuse in TLOU? There is a good reason why novel diseases don't just pop out of nowhere and eliminate significnat chunks of the population.

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, and they couldn't mass produce the cure anyways.

    But the whole point of the ending is Joel realizing the monsters are us not the infected. (super cliche, but award winning game writing)

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >watch the tv show
    >first thing they say there is no cure or prevention
    Joel was right, fuck the sequel

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I loved that that was the first thing they showed lmao, they actually have a LOT of opportunity to make things a lot less one-sided the way they were portrayed in the game

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >watch the tv show
      >first thing they say there is no cure or prevention
      >Joel was right, fuck the sequel
      They're going to retcon it so hard in Season 2. They'll make Abby's dad black and a world renowned scientist super genius and saviour of humanity that did no wrong. Screenshot this.

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Ellie, the world's so fucked that even if a vaccine did work it wouldn't make a difference.
    >Joel, truly you have become the last of us part two.

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's more like
    >In TLOU1, The Fireflies were a morally ambiguous lesser evil
    >In TLOU2 Neil didn't like how he failed to properly convey the Fireflies as a morally ambiguous lesser evil, with them instead coming off as insane and incompetent. We were supposed to identify with Joel emotionally but understand that he was doing something wrong. Instead, Joel's action come off way more like an informed decision that was 100% practical. Bitch you have someone who is totally immune to the virus and somehow these people are ready for surgery and totally sure this shit is going to work after a few hours. You don't want to save her eggs or anything? Map her genome? Take a few X-rays? No?
    >So Neil has to go back and "fix" this by making the Fireflies' cure look like a sure thing and the guy behind it being a saint. Neil went so far as to have the surgery room changed to look less grimy. Fucking bet on the tv show eventually trying to clean this up as well. Probably having Joel and Ellie stay with the Fireflies for a few weeks while they run tests.
    >Neil will literally never live down the fact that he fucked up TLOU's ending, because it needed to have an action oriented climax. Joel could not have too much downtime so they had to go right into the surgery plot thread. Like always, Druckmann is seething over having to be a video game.
    >He's so butthurt that he plays victim over the negative reactions to TLOU's plot CONSTANTLY even though NEGATIVE EMOTIONS were EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTED PEOPLE TO FEEL with shit like Joel's shocking death. He can't be an actual filmmaker and just own when something is intentionally inflammatory or unsatisfying, the man needs validation and praise. Exposing why many of the plot decisions for TLOU2 don't feel organic

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wrong question.
    The right one would be

    > Would creating a cure lead to something resembling pre-pandemic world in a few decades?

    And the answer is no.
    You need to to be a child to think that the panacea wouldn't be leveraged as a barganing chip in a power play.
    And I omit even more obvious logistical and manufacturing issues.
    It's "throw the Ring into a volcano to defeat Sauron"-tier logic.

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why couldn't they just take a biopsy? If she is so rare is it really a good idea to kill her ASAP in a grimy old hospital with one doctor? How are they gonna make sure they preserve her immunity secrets before she decomposes? Maybe they'll find out they needed her alive to produce a cure. And do they even have the knowledge or technology to make a cure?
    The fireflies were retarded and so is TLOU2 for portraying them as anything else

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >present a "moral dilemma" (albeit a retarded one, since you have no reason to believe they can even find a cure by dissecting some girl)
    >don't even give the player a choice to actually decide whether you want to save the girl or not, so it doesn't really matter
    Bravo snoy, video games truly are art now

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>don't even give the player a choice
      And that's a good thing. Not everything has to be about you and your fucking choices.
      I don't remember people complaining about the lack of story choices in much older games.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >You can either kill abbey and continue the vicious cycle of revenge killing or you can spare her and put an end to this pointless cycle of suffering and finally be free
      >Cant actually choose
      >Forced to spare her
      >Then get punished anyway and lose Dina, the mutt kid and your finger/identity
      What did they mean by this?

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    God part two is such pure rancid shit
    Fuck Druckman, god help us if he gets his hands on anything else...

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    2 is better purely based on the fact that theres like a handful of good encounters. It at least has significantly improved gameplay

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unknown but it doesn't really matter, even a 0.1% chance at the cure is more valuable than this stupid bitchy dyke's life.

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >So which one is it?
    From what I understand Cuckman fired the original writer of the first game. That's why nothing makes sense in the second one and they're trying to remaster it to make it fit.

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As a teen, I thought Joel was right and the Fireflies were up to no good. Saving Ellie was the right choice.

    As an adult, I thought Joel was in the wrong and realized the Fireflies were doing what they thought was for the best for humanity. Even if their efforts were only 1% certain to create a way to save humanity, it was worth. Joel is selfish who refuses to let go of his surrogate daughter.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Joel is selfish who refuses to let go of his surrogate daughter.
      You wouldn't allow a self-proclaimed surgeon to murder your daughter either
      Joel did nothing wrong

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the world is more important

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i'm going to kill you for the sake of humanity because the world is more important

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The world is more important assuming a small fringe faction would somehow be able to synthesize a cure for a fungal infection, something we can't even do right now, and then mass produce and mass distribute said cure using the 2 decade old equipment they have and chemicals that have been tainted or gone bad due to improper storage. But sure lets just not use any logic.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >were doing what they thought was for the best for humanity.

            every genocide was justified by this thought lmao

            Hypothetically yes, the entire crux of the story is the moral interpretation of this event. Unfortunately the game treats every character like they would be too stupid to understand how horrible of an idea it would be to actually try and distribute a vaccine. Completely ignoring the ethics or actual scientific validity of the vaccine (its a game about zombies who fucking cares), literally the only character to bring up the fact that Ellie is just gonna get raped and murdered anyways is Marlene. Every character that actually starts making sense gets murdered.

            i'm going to kill you for the sake of humanity because the world is more important

            TLOU2 was a good game, cope.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Hypothetically yes, the entire crux of the story is the moral interpretation of this event. Unfortunately the game treats every character like they would be too stupid to understand how horrible of an idea it would be to actually try and distribute a vaccine. Completely ignoring the ethics or actual scientific validity of the vaccine (its a game about zombies who fucking cares), literally the only character to bring up the fact that Ellie is just gonna get raped and murdered anyways is Marlene. Every character that actually starts making sense gets murdered.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ridiculous take. The chances of Ellie's sacrifice being of any use to the Flireflies and ultimately benefiting humanity is essentially null. Unless you post is satire, as an adult you can surely recognise that each party is justified in their actions, just not from the other's perspective. Right and wrong here is simply a matter of opinion.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >were doing what they thought was for the best for humanity.

      every genocide was justified by this thought lmao

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's a matter of perspective. Just because some characters believe it to be the case, doesn't mean it to be true and even less so fact.

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I would have killed the Fireflies just on general principle for refusing to pay me after dragging some brat across the whole damn country.

  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What are the odds of Ellie getting a nude mod?

  47. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe is the answer, chances being slim to none BUT those chances being the best humanity would literally ever get due to the people on hand being pre-outbreak surgeons and medical personnel. So from the character's perspective "oh no this sucks you guys suck how could you sacrifice my surrogate daughter for a mere chance at ending the apocalypse" and from literally every other human in existence "you mean we literally only need to sacrifice one girl to potentially end the apocalypse, fuckin' slice that bitch open what are you waiting for".

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You have a chance at winning the lottery. You have a chance to get struck by lightning. What you don't have a chance for is creating a cure for a fungal virus that even the top scientists couldn't do with the most advanced technologies in the world.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ellie survived a bite and breathed in spores. In the 20+ years of the TLOU apocalypse that's just unthinkable. You don't think a mutation like that could make a difference?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It could make a difference if you had a lab of the best equipment, the brains of hundreds of top scientists, a manufacturing and distribution network that spanned a nation, and all the chemicals and minerals and mixes you would need to even produce a vaccine. Look at all the shit we don't have a cure for now and honestly ask yourself if they could push out a viable cure with a handful of doctors using broken down equipment.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >this one child had an unprecedented response to the infection in decades
          >let's kill her immediately
          I'm, sorry, anon, I love the game but it can't be justified, the Fireflies absolutely retarded. It's ok to turn off your brain in the moment to enjoy the spectacle, but if even thinking about it later you still think it made sense, you're retarded.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This is what I really don't get. Why not do some blood cultures first? Maybe get some samples from the scar tissue around the bite. Maybe, I don't know, a PET scan or MRI or something.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Even the "baby factory" meme answer is honestly worth a shot before you kill her off for good. You'd want that girl to stay alive at all costs.
              I have to imagine the actual development process that arrived at such a dumb scenario was them initially having Ellie being against it, so for the Fireflies it was an "either we get her corpse and do what we can with it or we never see her again" situation, but at the end of the day it would drastically take away from Joel's decision if Ellie wanted to leave with him and was kept against her will.
              So they made changes to keep the imminent threat on her life but with her being ok with it, and that's what they ended up with.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They couldve still tried to get a cure, but killing her immediately was beyond retarded and made no sense. The only way it makes sense is if they were schizos and had no idea what they were doing. Joel did the right thing by not letting some lunatics kill her.

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