Sonic Team's only good 3D outings were in 2010 and 11 (Colors and Generations, respectively)
X and Y aren't even bad games, far better than the majority of 3D Sonic, that's for sure
Unironically yes. Frontiers for all its flaws at least had the devs listen to fan feedback and apply fixes through updates and patches. SV meanwhile are still laggy shit over a year later
I agree those aspects could've been better but at the end of the day it was a more ambitious game than what game freak has been shitting out. The bosses were legitimately cool
Yeah, what SV really needs is for the bosses to be even easier and to have a shitty Californian voice actors reading all the dialogue for me. It would truly improve the game.
Then they made the fans game superstars and guess what? it's still a drm ridden, buggy, overpriced piece of shit.
Oh that kinda reminds me of another company.
Superstars was handled by Arzest, the geniuses responsible for Balan Wonderworld so the real ST could focus on pulling the series out of the slump with Frontiers, and then update 3 because they weren’t happy with where they released the game
>one genuinely good Sonic game in the last decade
1 is greater than Pokemon's 0. >fans turned professionals had to do it for them
As opposed to Pokemon killing fangames out of anger and jealousy for being one-upped by just about any other developer.
They'd at least make something ambitiously bad instead of just lazily bad. Also the music would be fricking top quality. Imagine a game with battle themes by Tomoya Ohtani and Jun Senoue instead Troony Fox.
im imagining the sonic frontiers shonenshit boss music playing over a painfully lame turn based pokemon fight with literally 0 flair and its hilarious.
>Johto is not canon >we can't make the Sw/Sh villain better because uhhhh MANDATES >Oh, whatever happened to XY introducing multiverses? It just happened, no need to explore that concept in newer games >PokeSpe characters are off limits, so no cameos or adaptions. Daddy Ishihara says so.
Strange that you'd pick Sonic X for that comparison given how close it is to Sonic Team. I'd say the Pokémon Special equivalent for Sonic would be Archie.
>given how close it is to Sonic Team.
So? Still isn't mentioned again nor outright in newer games. >Pokémon Special equivalent for Sonic would be Archie.
Except PokeSpe is still getting made and wasn't cancelled due to some comic book weirdo.
Electric Tail of Pikachu might be the better comparison for Archie considering it did got cut short.
ian would absolutely be the type to get elbow deep into all the multiverse autism of gen 6 and 7, but do it completely wrong. he'd just also insert all his shitty gaijin headcanons in and make a reference to an old game every 5 seconds. >wow, this rock reminds me of the ones in the orre region! remember the orre region? remember?
he'd probably include a surface level reference to pokespe without actually knowing anything about it other than "its pokemon but dark and griddy"
Unironically, a Pokémon made by Sega/Sonic Team is one of my impossible dream games. Considering their track record, would be very flawed and have some forced mini-games here and there that no one likes. But at least would have full voice acting, better animations, final boss would have a kino hype music with lyrics. Could be good? ST has some background in RPGs, with PSO.
And I would like to see Pokémon designs from Naoto Ohshima, Yuji Uekawa, and the other artists at Sonic Team.
Sonicgays have the kind of autism that will drive them to go back and fix the worst games in the franchise and make them 10/10s because they believe in the franchise. Sonicgays are so powerful that Sega will just let them do whatever they want. Pokegays on the other hand will just consume the newest slop and unironically think "WE'RE SO BACK" when the franchise is actually in the worst state it's ever been.
im not a chris chan expert but from what i read on this site sonic was just a vehicle for his autism, or a sort of "secondary obsession", he was much more deeply obsessed with pokemon
this is a lie, sonic 06 is actually playable and your character only occasionally noclips into the void. the much, much bigger problem is that its tedious and unfun.
Problem is the clown tier writers, the constant crushing deadlines and SEGA being super fricking stingy with the budget just as Nintendo is with GF. Only difference is Sonic Team despite it's failings has still done more with the shit conditions SEGA has given it than GF has with identical bad conditions handed from Nintendo. Not to mention the lack of autistic screeching from SEGA/Sonic Team about fan content.
Their lowest lows are even worse than gamefreak
I mean no one likes town hero but at least no one knows it exists
Also looking at the data involved with Sega I can tell you that they are extremely stupid despite having good talent
Please don't bring Sonic fan autism here, they will get upset when you imply that 3D Sonic wasn't the smoothest transition but are happy to shit on other 3D transitions as rough (Mario 64 and OOT come to mind)
There is no point in chasing validation from people who disagree with you or maybe even dislike you, especially if you can't even do it properly and humiliate yourself to them in the process. Nobody is going to be impressed when you claim the games you keep playing over and over are bad, and if anyone tells you they are it's because they get a laugh out of how gullible you are. Either admit what you like or hide in shame entirely. You can't appease everyone, and your half-hearted attitude appeases no one, on top of being entirely pointless and making you appear incoherent.
Sonic Team can make some good shit every now and then, compared to Pokemon, which fell off a 10 story building back in 2013 and never truly recovered.
this has been debunked countless times already, yawnie.
here's a pity (you)
>hilariously disingenuous comparisons
>needs to compare $80 of games vs $40 games
posting this image is like an admission of defeat.
You say that like everything in
isn't also hilariously disingenuous.
Nah, I was right the first time.
>You say that like everything in
isn't also hilariously disingenuous.
Yeah, because it isn't.
So we agree that if your shitpost isn't disingenuous, then my shitpost isn't disingenuous. Good to know.
Wow not only is xy really shit, it also looks terrible. Thank god game freak removed all that ugly shit in the new generation.
*2010
Sonic Team's only good 3D outings were in 2010 and 11 (Colors and Generations, respectively)
X and Y aren't even bad games, far better than the majority of 3D Sonic, that's for sure
>Colors and Generations
Go back. Everything sucked between Unleashed and Frontiers.
Unironically yes. Frontiers for all its flaws at least had the devs listen to fan feedback and apply fixes through updates and patches. SV meanwhile are still laggy shit over a year later
Fans would tell you it sucked shit in aesthetics and story.
Only saved by music and gameplay.
I agree those aspects could've been better but at the end of the day it was a more ambitious game than what game freak has been shitting out. The bosses were legitimately cool
The last thing I want Game Freak to do is listen to "fan feedback" and implement dogshit fan suggestions like level scaling and voice acting.
pokegays like you this series always will be dogshit
This franchise is fricking dead if they listen to homies like you
Nah, pokemon has recruited a moron-base big enough that they'll lap up any slop GF dumps out of its ass.
>level scaling and voice acting
Those are actually reasonable suggestions though
Yeah, what SV really needs is for the bosses to be even easier and to have a shitty Californian voice actors reading all the dialogue for me. It would truly improve the game.
Then they made the fans game superstars and guess what? it's still a drm ridden, buggy, overpriced piece of shit.
Oh that kinda reminds me of another company.
Don't forget the scam that was origins plus, so much they purposely drag and bait drama with some fired artist.
Proceeded to flop according to SEGA
Superstars was handled by Arzest, the geniuses responsible for Balan Wonderworld so the real ST could focus on pulling the series out of the slump with Frontiers, and then update 3 because they weren’t happy with where they released the game
And mighty #9
It's the 3DS was it?
itd certainly be a fun experiment
Yes
There has been one genuinely good Sonic game in the last decade and fans turned professionals had to do it for them.
>one genuinely good Sonic game in the last decade
1 is greater than Pokemon's 0.
>fans turned professionals had to do it for them
As opposed to Pokemon killing fangames out of anger and jealousy for being one-upped by just about any other developer.
>Pokemon killing fangames
>1 twitchshit hack and some awful essentials game
Yes, Game Freak are the worst devs on the market right now
They'd at least make something ambitiously bad instead of just lazily bad. Also the music would be fricking top quality. Imagine a game with battle themes by Tomoya Ohtani and Jun Senoue instead Troony Fox.
Counterpoint, imagine Pokètubers actively controlling the games though.
>Poketubers
Yeah I already know where this is going.
im imagining the sonic frontiers shonenshit boss music playing over a painfully lame turn based pokemon fight with literally 0 flair and its hilarious.
Absolutely not
What is the equivalent of forced nods to Archie/SATAM?
Rainbow Rocket?
>here's your Orre games nod bro
>Johto is not canon
>we can't make the Sw/Sh villain better because uhhhh MANDATES
>Oh, whatever happened to XY introducing multiverses? It just happened, no need to explore that concept in newer games
>PokeSpe characters are off limits, so no cameos or adaptions. Daddy Ishihara says so.
>Constant references to fandom memes and anime in the games.
He would have the professor say
"You gotta be the very best like no one ever was."
>PokeSpe characters are off limits, so no cameos or adaptions*.... for now. (lie) Don't forget to sub our Bumblekast Patreon!
FTFY
The multiverse shit is moronic though.
Yeah, that's didnt stop you from hyping up Prime's canoncity despite being pre-Lost World Sonic
>Johto is not canon
It should be, it's like the Dragon Ball GT of the series, a shitty spinoff
You say that like Pokémon Special material is ever used outside of Pokémon Special.
Just like Sonic X being mentioned anywhere in newer Sonic media
Strange that you'd pick Sonic X for that comparison given how close it is to Sonic Team. I'd say the Pokémon Special equivalent for Sonic would be Archie.
>given how close it is to Sonic Team.
So? Still isn't mentioned again nor outright in newer games.
>Pokémon Special equivalent for Sonic would be Archie.
Except PokeSpe is still getting made and wasn't cancelled due to some comic book weirdo.
Electric Tail of Pikachu might be the better comparison for Archie considering it did got cut short.
ian would absolutely be the type to get elbow deep into all the multiverse autism of gen 6 and 7, but do it completely wrong. he'd just also insert all his shitty gaijin headcanons in and make a reference to an old game every 5 seconds.
>wow, this rock reminds me of the ones in the orre region! remember the orre region? remember?
he'd probably include a surface level reference to pokespe without actually knowing anything about it other than "its pokemon but dark and griddy"
Replace "Johto is not canon" with "Orre is not canon" and you'd be right on the money.
No because the people responsible for the Chao Garden in Adventure 1 & 2 no longer work for Sonic Team.
Unironically, a Pokémon made by Sega/Sonic Team is one of my impossible dream games. Considering their track record, would be very flawed and have some forced mini-games here and there that no one likes. But at least would have full voice acting, better animations, final boss would have a kino hype music with lyrics. Could be good? ST has some background in RPGs, with PSO.
And I would like to see Pokémon designs from Naoto Ohshima, Yuji Uekawa, and the other artists at Sonic Team.
Who's more autistic pokegays or sonicgays?
Pokegays
Sonicgays have the kind of autism that will drive them to go back and fix the worst games in the franchise and make them 10/10s because they believe in the franchise. Sonicgays are so powerful that Sega will just let them do whatever they want. Pokegays on the other hand will just consume the newest slop and unironically think "WE'RE SO BACK" when the franchise is actually in the worst state it's ever been.
to be fair BDSP's mods are pretty good
Pokemon
Even all the reprehensible stuff Chris Chan did, he's no JustinRPG.
the hell did Justin do? He's weird but I don't think He's Racist or Incestual. Just really loves his Resheram
That moltres scat pic is disgusting
Chris Chan is a Pokémon fan.
He started as a sonic autist thought
im not a chris chan expert but from what i read on this site sonic was just a vehicle for his autism, or a sort of "secondary obsession", he was much more deeply obsessed with pokemon
the games would have more bugs and more soul
>more bugs
The Switch Pokémon games have more bugs than anything released by Sonic Team in any year other than 2006.
this is a lie, sonic 06 is actually playable and your character only occasionally noclips into the void. the much, much bigger problem is that its tedious and unfun.
ANYONE would
i guess
but if they cant run there own main franchise what makes you think they can do pokemon well
Yes. Sonic is just a garbage IP. Sonic Team is actually a good developer when they aren't forced to work on the dying animal
Problem is the clown tier writers, the constant crushing deadlines and SEGA being super fricking stingy with the budget just as Nintendo is with GF. Only difference is Sonic Team despite it's failings has still done more with the shit conditions SEGA has given it than GF has with identical bad conditions handed from Nintendo. Not to mention the lack of autistic screeching from SEGA/Sonic Team about fan content.
Their lowest lows are even worse than gamefreak
I mean no one likes town hero but at least no one knows it exists
Also looking at the data involved with Sega I can tell you that they are extremely stupid despite having good talent
Please don't bring Sonic fan autism here, they will get upset when you imply that 3D Sonic wasn't the smoothest transition but are happy to shit on other 3D transitions as rough (Mario 64 and OOT come to mind)
Hey, at least Sonic autists are more productive hackers.
That's the good side of the Sonic fandom, fans made Sonic Mania
OoT is inferior to LA/LttP though
Who cares if it's the reason you're play Queer Souls and Mega Man Legends did lock on first.
are sonic games irredeemably bad? yes
have i played them all several times? also yes
Coward.
what are you talking about moron
There is no point in chasing validation from people who disagree with you or maybe even dislike you, especially if you can't even do it properly and humiliate yourself to them in the process. Nobody is going to be impressed when you claim the games you keep playing over and over are bad, and if anyone tells you they are it's because they get a laugh out of how gullible you are. Either admit what you like or hide in shame entirely. You can't appease everyone, and your half-hearted attitude appeases no one, on top of being entirely pointless and making you appear incoherent.
ok but its funny
Sonicbros are our friend OP
Yes, Game Freak sucks
They'd do worse
>Wolf Sonic and Pajeet Folklore Sonic
No, sometimes you gotta see GameFreak as a necessary evil.
Sonic suffered deeply ever since Heroes. They’re only now starting to recover.