New Pokemon Snap showed the series can look great and sovlful in 3D, the issue is, as always, GF being the developer and shitting the bed on anything even remotely technically demanding despite making video games for almost three decades. I do agree an element of the series look and feel was lost with moving away from 2D and there should be more games that still incorporate it.
sprites are just more soulful by default, even romhacks ilicit more charm nowadays than Gamefreak's modern titles. Not because 3D is soulless, but it requires a much clearer direction and competency.
You just go off of the idle animations. Why does everyone ignore the attack animations in the 3D games? Oh wait, because /vp/ is biased towards their childhood
Because that's what's on screen more than 99 percent of the time and should look like it's mid-battle instead of breaking/bracing for hugs for most mons.
The game being worse from having drastically reduced features can be judged objectively.
Good thing that's not what sprites remotely mean anon.
>trial and error
there was almost no quality control during gen v whatsoever
Maybe! Back when XY came out a good chunk of complaints was about how stiff and lifeless the 3D models looked, which is kinda true
On the other hand, people would berate GF for not doing 3D on the fricking 3ds
Sprites wouldn’t shove XY’s lack of identity and tiny dex. BW had perfected the balance by learning from HGSS’s glaring refuseal to fix everything people despised about Johto’s mainly the glaring flaw of being Kanto’s Backyard. But pokehomosexuals were too stupid to appreciate Masuda’s Magnum opus
This is true, but 90% of XY's development was 3D shit, so with sprites they couldve made those aspects a lot better
Also I agree, besides the iffy mon designs I really don't see why people suddenly dislike Unova so much, it's one of the most carefully made regions, but normies made fun of Trubbish and now everyone is just parroting that
>because megas are effectively new pokemon
Every single person who likes megas should have realized that the Pokemon franchise just isn't for them and dropped it.
they'd still be criticized but yes
I'd like just about every game more if it was sprites, except for maybe Let's Go/Legends since I can't imagine doing that with sprites.
because Unova did a large dex and tried to do something original by doing a "reboot" and people shat their pants so hard they had to focus on pandering for Gen 6. no, i'm not saying Unova's dex reboot idea was perfect, it lacked variety and some mons were bad, but the negative response made every region since then have something to cater to old pokemon: megas/regionals/gigantamax/paradox
This. Unova designs were hit or miss but the outrage was so big it changed the entire direction of the franchise
This is why we can't get nice things, people don't accept that experimentation includes trial and error
Of course there was, do you think designing pokemon is easy? It's hard as frick, thats why gen 5 struggled and the next gens focused on redesigning past mons and made the number of new ones minimum, besides the Unova backlash of course
>and tried to do something original
80% of the dex is just uglier versions of previous gen mons and copy/pasted dogshit like the monkeys and genies. FRICK, even the box art legends are 3 dragons............AGAIN. making an uglier zubat doesn't impress me, sorry
as stated, the dex has problems, personally i think some of the comparisons people draw are absurd, but I get what people mean.
All I said is that Unova trying to have it's dex stand on it's own because like it or not making Chandelure is not pandering like Mega Gengar is blew up in their face so Gamefreak made sure to give old pokemon equal spotlight with new pokemon going forward.
Alright, but don't blame them when they decide to downsize and stick to what worked before.
4 months ago
Anonymous
They've been doing that.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Kanto - 151 new pokemon >Johto - 100 new pokemon >Hoenn - 135 new pokemon >Sinnoh - 107 new pokemon >Unova - 156 new pokemon
---Unova Panic Line Here--- >Kalos - 72 new pokemon >Alola - 86 new pokemon >Galar - 81 new pokemon >Paldea - 85 new pokemon (no, im not counting paradox/convergent pokemon)
4 months ago
Anonymous
>no I'm not counting new pokemon because it ruins my moronic genwar narrative
4 months ago
Anonymous
>noooo it has a different name and dex number it's a brand new pokemon! this is NOT pandering to old pokemon!!
4 months ago
Anonymous
>noooo it has a different name and dex number it's a brand new pokemon! this is NOT pandering to old pokemon!!
4 months ago
Anonymous
Tangrowth gives Tangela more use since it can evolve into a half-decent mon, cross-gen evolutions are mostly a good thing. Scream Tail does nothing for Jigglypuff.
4 months ago
Anonymous
You’re right. Purugly does nothing for Jigglypuff so it isn’t a new Pokemon.
4 months ago
Anonymous
What
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Alright, but don't blame them when they decide to [do better thing]
Now that I'm looking at it like this, some Unova mons are ugly and copied, but there are lots of amazing "reimaginations" here, they really tried their best...
There are clearly parallels meant to serve similar roles as a missing kanto Pokémon but for most of these really do feel unique, for me it’s about 50/50 on which side is better but very few feel like ripoffs. And anyway you stretch enough you could do this for most regions except Johto woiod just have a Kanto Pokémon on both sides because lol west Kanto/Kanto’s backyard/ Kanto’s tumor/buzzword
Now that I'm looking at it like this, some Unova mons are ugly and copied, but there are lots of amazing "reimaginations" here, they really tried their best...
There are clearly parallels meant to serve similar roles as a missing kanto Pokémon but for most of these really do feel unique, for me it’s about 50/50 on which side is better but very few feel like ripoffs. And anyway you stretch enough you could do this for most regions except Johto woiod just have a Kanto Pokémon on both sides because lol west Kanto/Kanto’s backyard/ Kanto’s tumor/buzzword
gonna drop a "hot take" here but having some redundancy for a series as long-running as pokemon is a good thing. it allows for variety in what pokemon get included in each new region instead of having geodude in every region. and zubat. and magikarp. and goldeen, abra, machop, psyduck, pikachu, tentacruel, magnemite, and rhyhorn.
or at least that what i would say if they didn't immediately balloon dex sizes in gen 6 and render the entire concept pointless.
A lot of the Unovan ones mog Kanto's supposed counterpart, very cool
Also the only mons here that even share the same animal were Hypno and Musharna both being Tapyr
The bottom half of this image is moronic. A mantis is not a butterfly. A centipede is not a bee. A desert hermit crab bug ground type is not an ocean crab. A mushroom is not a poke ball. A swan is not a duck. A chandelier is not poison gas. >it’s ghost type so it’s a clone >it’s dragon so it’s a clone >it’s a bird so it’s a clone
Whoever made this image is brown
>it lacked variety
Reminder that it was so poorly planned out that towards the end they had to change the types of established Pokemon like the Jellicent line and Stunfisk for type variety. I also recall hearing that the Vanillux line only exists because they needed another Ice type to be made asap.
Yeah, it’s great. I can actually use the new Pokemon I want during most of the playthrough unlike Unova where if you want to use Bisharp and Volcarona and Braviary you’re utterly fricked.
They'd be even more brutal with the critical panning without the 3D gwafics. XY would be undoubtedly considered the worst by a landslide for a long time
>the game wasting effort for little to no benefit is what allowed them to put in more content even though there's actually less content than unova
nice try, but no
You can't because that's a feature that's less relevant than better ones
How do I do the PWT in Kalos?
How do I dive in Kalos?
How do I interact with seasons in Kalos?
Where's the Entralink in Kalos?
Where's Join Avenue in Kalos?
Where are typed gems in Kalos?
Where is Pokestar in Kalos?
Where are musicals in Kalos?
These are all more meaningful than customization and playing dress up in a game that's about Pokemon, yet required relatively large amount of work for modeling that they could include these others. Would you be in favor of more features that are purely aesthetic, take a lot of resources, and have nothing to do with the pokemon and the rest of the game similar to customization? Would you want a human daycare simulator? Baby simulator? You'd probably call these "muh objective improvements" in a vacuum but they just take away from the game completely while eating up any precious resources of dev time and effort to relatively meaningless crap.
>How do I do the PWT in Kalos?
You mean do battles against moronic NPCs? Any route >How do I dive in Kalos?
You mean catch water mons? Use the super rod. >How do I interact with seasons in Kalos?
Just walk through the routes? >Where's the Entralink in Kalos?
You mean a place to catch mons? Any route. >Where's Join Avenue in Kalos?
You mean shops that sell stuff? Try Lumiose City. >Where are typed gems in Kalos?
Terminus Cave. >Where is Pokestar in Kalos?
You mean moronic non-content filler? Lumiose City. >Where are musicals in Kalos?
Same as above.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>You mean do battles
against equal level trainers while being restricted to rentals making it harder, yes. Kalos doesn't have this. >catch water mons
No, dive. It fleshes out the world and provide more content including a dungeon, yet Kalos is lacking. >walk through the routes
I did Kalos routes don't have seasonal changes. >place to catch mons
No, Entralink, missions, etc. Kalos lacks this. >shops
No, making your own mall and maintaining its popularity. Kalos lacks this. >Terminus cave
Only the normal gem. I asked for typed games, which actually make a difference in battle. >Pokestar doesn't count as content.
It mogs whatever other mini game in Kalos by actually requiring you to think and use the battle system for another purpose than defeating the opponent, unlike inflatable shit in Kalos that could be an arcade game isolated from the main games on its own. >Musicals
Funny how bonding with your pokemon doesn't count when it's a game you hate like BW. These were actually fun and didn't frick me over with muh affection bullshit.
4 months ago
Anonymous
how do musicals help you bond with your pokemon?
4 months ago
Anonymous
Because you get to have fun interacting with your Pokemon, like Amie, except without the moronic affection bullshit
4 months ago
Anonymous
>against equal level trainers
So piss easy content while Kalos lets you use lvl5 mons in Maison against 50 mons which is much harder. >It fleshes out the world and provides more content
Old rod is 10 times more content. >I did Kalos routes don't have seasonal changes.
Yes it does. >No, Entralink
So catch mons? Kalos already has this. >Only the normal gem
So it has gems, glad we agree. Also megas are much better than gems and make more difference in battles. >It mogs
No it doesnt. >These were actually fun
Lmao.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>So piss easy content
Nope, rentals which Kalos lacks. Meanwhile, the Subway scatches the other itch you're describing as an irrelevant tangent >old rod is better than actually putting effort into diving like ORAS did and giving a proper dungeon that can't be steamrolled in one go
Thanks for confirming you're moronic >Yes it does
Show me how the routes change based on the season in XY. >catch mons
No, Entralink, missions with multiplayer, etc. Kalos lacks this. >so it has gems
Yes, but not the ones that actually matter. I initially asked about typed gems because they actually make a noticeable difference in-battle. Kalos lacks these. Meanwhile Megas are only locked to specific mons and are gimmick trash meant for marketing. >No it doesn't
Yes it does. Pokestar mogs whatever other mini game in Kalos by actually requiring you to think and use the battle system for another purpose than defeating the opponent, unlike inflatable shit in Kalos that could be an arcade game isolated from the main games on its own. >Lmao
Yes, musicals were fun.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Thanks for confirming you're moronic
he was always moronic, and you're gonna get diagnosed too if you keep responding to an obvious discord schizo
4 months ago
Anonymous
stop feeding the troll
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Nope, rentals which Kalos lacks
You can trade your friend a rentalö anytime you want. >Thanks for confirming you're moronic
Not an argument. >Show me how the routes change based on the season in XY.
Theres autumn route and theres snow route so clearly theres seasonal changes. >No, Entralink, missions
So catch a mon? Kalos has this already like i said. Pic related. >Yes
Glad we agree. Didnt read your cope about Megas which are the best battle gimmick. Cry about it. >Yes, musicals were fun.
Lmao
4 months ago
Anonymous
>You can trade
You can do this in any facility though, but it's not forced to make it hard. Therefore the XY facility is easy. >not an argument
actually putting effort into diving like ORAS did and giving a proper dungeon that can't be steamrolled in one go is better than the old rod >There's a (route with static appearance without changes) and a (route with static appearance without changes)
So no seasonal changes. Got it. >So catch a mon
That's not what it is. Show me funfest missions, Pass Powers, and Royal Shitlos in XY. >glad we agree
That XY removed gems? Yes. Also Megas are the worst gimmick since only handfuls could utilize them and they were the most unbalanced >Lmao
Yes, musicals were fun, just like Amie. Except they didn't plague me with affection bullshit
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Therefore the XY facility is easy.
Nope. >effort into diving like ORAS
Yeah glad we agree ORAS is better than anything before it. >So seasonal changes
Glad we agree. >Show me Pass Powers
You mean O powers? Yeah they are better in Kalos. >That XY removed gems
They are right there in Terminus Cave. >Yes, musicals were fun
Lmao.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Nope.
Yep. XY facilities don't limit you, so if you have an average team it's easy. >ORAS is better because of diving
Gen 5 and 3 had diving yet Kalos didn't. That's the point. >Glad we agree
That XY changes nothing based on the seasons? Yes. >O Powers
Handed to you, yes. Funniest missions and Entralink are gone. Stop excusing the lack of content. >They are right there.
There are no typed ones though, so XY removed those. >Lmao
Yes, musicals were fun, just like Amie, except they didn't plague me with affection bullshit
>I would like it more because I would slowly forget how much worse the game is over time like with gen 5 while jerking off over the sprites
>sprites bad for no reason lol >wasting time on models at the expense of the rest of the game....LE GOOD
The standards for sprites is staggeringly low. It makes me sad as someone who has a genuine appreciate for games with high effort spritework that morons just clap at any game that lazily throws in shitty sprites as if simply having sprites is an automatic improvement to the game’s quality.
Why are you pretending like Gamefreak doesn't suck at 3D models as well? Blastoise only now actually works properly a decade later, and he's the top percent who were actually fixed. Most still have the terrible colors of the XY models.
[spoilers] also, you are posting edited sprites. Tough sell for "criticism" when the game didn't actually look like that.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>XY facilities don't limit you
Yes they do. >Gen 6 had diving. That's the point.
Yeah thats what i said. >O-Powers
Yeah are better in Kalos. Glad we agree. >There are no typed ones
Normal is a type. >Yes, musicals were fun
Lmao.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Yes they do
Show me rentals in XY then. >Gen 6 has diving
We’re talking about XY, which didn’t >are better in Kalos
Then where are the funfest missions? Where’s Royal Kalos? >Normal
So they removed most gems. They removed gems that actually matter and have impacts. That’s the criticism. >Lmao
Yes, musicals were fun, just like Amie, except they didn't plague me with affection bullshit
nOOOoooOO you cant say that my childhood m-must be perfect!!!
>aliasing in motion is bad
Gee guess the 3DS games are the ugliest then.
>sprites bad for no reason lol
They're bad because GF has historically proven they're bad at using sprites. The games you morons like to wiener suck don't even fully use sprites, for frick's sake. If you actually cared about sprites just for having sprites you would constantly be sitting on Gen 3's dick instead of worshipping gen 4 and 5 24/7.
time on models at the expense of the rest of the game....
There's no proof it's at the expense of the rest of the game when Gen 6 has more content than Gen 5.
>Why are you pretending like Gamefreak doesn't suck at 3D models as well
Because they don't.
In that image, the left two still are game where moves come from a fixed point and you choose mons that align with where they originate. They still had the same problem with other mons as charizard did in the BW screenshot >if you actually cared about sprites you would exclude (games with sprites)
This doesn’t make sense. >there’s no proof when (blatant falsehood I take as a given)
Most people agree Xy should have had more to do, so less effort in the modeling department would have helped with that. >because they don’t
They certainly do. It’s been a decade and we’re only seeing marginal improvements fixing what XY started shitting out in 2013
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Show me rentals in XY then.
You can trade with friend at any time. >We’re talking about XY, which didn’t
Yeah no idea why you brought Gen 3 into it. >Then where are the [not content]
In worse games. >Yes, musicals were fun
Lmao
3 months ago
Anonymous
>You can do thing that isn't rentals
Cool, so PWT is better than XY's facilities because it has rentals, increasing challenge. >no idea why you brought (game with dive) into it
So Kalos doesn't have diving, glad we agree. >funniest missions don't count as content because it's from the game my narrative says is bad
Ok so Kalos doesn't have them, among other things. I'm glad we agree. While we're at it, by your own words, Kalos is a worse game because I hate every nee feature in it and therefore they don't count as content. Kalos has no content. >fun bad lmao
Yes, musicals were fun, just like Amie, except they didn't plague me with affection bullshit. Glad we agree Kalos lacks them and is therefore a shit game because it removed shit all over.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Cool, so PWT is better
Nope. >ORAS has better diving than Unova
Yeah you said that already. >Ok so Kalos doesn't have them
Kalos has catching pokemon and wild battles. Glad we agree. >Yes, musicals were fun
Lmao.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Nope.
Yep, PWT is better than XY's facilities because it has rentals, increasing challenge. Kalos lacks this >ORAS has better diving than Unova
Never said that. Both of them DO have diving though, which is a plus. Kalos lacks this. >Kalos has (irrelevant tangent)
So Kalos doesn't have Funfest missions, Entralink, and Royal Kalos. Glad we agree. >fun bad lmao
Yes, musicals were fun, just like Amie, except they didn't plague me with affection bullshit. Glad we agree Kalos lacks them and is therefore a shit game because it removed shit all over.
3 months ago
Anonymous
stop feeding the troll
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Nope
Yup, Battle Maison is better than BW's facilities because you can use low level Pokemon, increasing challenge. BW lacks this. >Never said that
Yes you did. >So Kalos has better things than Funfest missions, Entralink, and Royal Kalos. Glad we agree.
Yeah glad we agree. >Yes, musicals were fun
Lmao. Glad we agree Unova lacks old rod and berry farming because it removed shit all over.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>you can use low level Pokemon, increasing challenge. BW lacks this.
So I take it you conceded the previous point an pivoted to this. Not only do you get to the Maison father along in the game than your mons being level 50 anyway, rendering it useless, but more common challenge increaser is present in the Battle Subway, since it forces you to save the game between challenges, effectively preventing the player from achieving artificial win streaks.
XY lacks this more common occurrence. >Yes you did.
Show me where I said ORAS has better diving than Unova does. I never did. >B-but Kalos has BETTER things waaahhh!
Nope. It removed these objectively good additions that people enjoyed and didn't replace them with any proper equivalents. You're gonna have to convince me that it adequately replaced them because it doesn't come close to doing so. >old rod
BW has Super Rod >berry farming
this isn't a positive. If my supermarket stopped selling berries and instead only offered a lot where I can grow my own, that's a worse supermarket. Thank God I don't have to wait forever in BW just to obtain berries and can get them like a normal person without week long waits.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Cope on why Battle Kekway is supposedly better
Didnt read. Maison is better and harder. >Show me where I said ORAS has better diving than Unova
Read your own posts. >But Kalos has better things
Correct. Glad we agree. >BW has Super Rod
So does Kalos so Kalos is better since it has more. >Cope why removing features is good
Concession accepted.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Maison is better and harder even though you demonstrated why the Subway is better and harder
Thanks for conceding >your posts
Gee that helps. I already did. I never said ORAS had better diving than Gen 5, since Gen 5 has diving. I said ti was better than XY since XY doesn't have diving at all. >Correct
Nope. Kalos lacks these things and doesn't replace them adequately. >so does Kalos so it's better
Why would you use an old rod over a super rod? Seems like Kalos just wants to waste my time for no reason. >removing features
Berry farming isn't a feature. Gen 5 had a better system of obtaining berries that didn't have you waiting like a farmer for no reason.
>battle maison is literally the battle subway with objectively more content >unovagays will still argue battle subway is somehow better
This is how you know they’re being disingenuous. They can’t concede on a single point and will perpetually go “NUH UH” to anything that makes Gen 5 look bad.
To be fair, yes. The Subway would be better if it had triples and rotations. However, they don't really improve the Maison since they don't offer anything new by being in the Maison. It just slows down the 3DS every single time because it wasn't optimized for loading six 3D models at the same time in the fidelity that they wanted. SM was a little better but still suffered handsomely.
Additionally. the other anon mentioned Gen 5, not BW specifically. Therefore, we can also compare all of B2W2's facilities since it has the Subway anyway plus all the new ones. Combined, they're vastly superior to the Maison.
It seems like your go-to cope whenever someone rationally calls out your arguments and why they are wrong, you just pretend they're denying when you refuse to properly engage with their rebuttals in return.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Maison is better and harder
Correct. >Gee that helps.
Glad you can finally read. >Nope.
Yup. >Why would you immerse yourself into an RPG world
Gee i dunno i guess Unova doesnt have this lol. >Berry farming isn't a feature.
Proof?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Correct even after demonstrated to be false
Cope >glad you can read
I did and I never said diving is better in ORAS than Gen 5, only that both are better than XY because XY lacks diving >Yup.
Nope. Kalos lacks these things and doesn't replace them adequately. >immersion
How is a slower rod more immersive? What's the benefit exactly if you could just use the Super Rod instead? >Proof?
If my supermarket stopped selling berries and instead only offered a lot where I can grow my own, that's a worse supermarket. Thank God I don't have to wait forever in BW just to obtain berries and can get them like a normal person without week long waits. >Maison
But how do those things make it so much better of they have a worse experience? >ugly graphics
Not what I said. I said the game stops functioning anywhere near 100% and becomes a borderline unplayable mess since it can't load six models at once and gives a worse experience than playing the singles or doubles. Nevermind about how XY removed 60fps across ALL battles and many people disagreeing with you and preferring Gen 5's graphics over the slow 3D death XY instigated, but graphics is a completely separate argument that only the likes of (You) have the genwar hungry instinct to pivot to.
3 months ago
Anonymous
last two points meant for
>Maison since they don't offer anything new by being in the Maison
Maison is literally the only place I can play streak based Triple and Rotation battles. So yes, it does offer something new. >B-BUT THE GRAPHICS ARE UGLY BECAUSE OF THE FPS!!!
Cool then all of gen 5’s content is worthless because the entire game is ugly.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Cope
Yes thats what you do. >I did
Fantastic. >How is a slower rod more immersive? >How is being more immersive more immersive
Tough question. >Schizo babble
Lot of cope for removing content lol. >likes of (You) have the genwar hungry instinct
Funny thing when (You) were the first one to say Kalos is a shit game.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Yes
Indeed, you refuse to respond when you have nothing to respond with. >Fantastic.
Yes. You can't show me where I said ORAS did diving better than gen 5 because I didn't say that. >it's more immersive because I say it is
I ask again, how is a slower rod more immersive. Actually articulate your points instead of hiding behind schizo greentexthomosexualry. >removing content
What content was removed? The only difference is that BW allows you to not wait forever just to get berries. >saying Kalos is bad is a genwar in a thread discussing quality of Kalos
Sorry you can't handle any criticism of your shitty childhood nugen games because you were 7 in 2013.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Indeed, you refuse to respond
Thats you. >Yes.
Yes. >Actually articulate your points instead of hiding behind schizo greentexthomosexualry.
Yeah i dont know why you keep greentexting and not articulating your points. >What content was removed?
Old rod and berry farming for starters. >saying Unova is bad is a genwar in a thread discussing quality of sprites
Sorry you can't handle any criticism of your shitty childhood nugen games because you were 5 in 2011.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Thats you.
I responded to your bullshit with logic, and all you did is cope. Please scroll up. >Yes
Glad we agree I never said ORAS did diving better than Gen 5, but rather better than XY because XY didn't do it. >no u
I responded to your points with points, and you repsonded to me with shitposting and no u's. >old rod is content
How is is offering anything over Super Rod? You still didn't explain this. >berry farming
Again, this is a worse system of obtaining berries than in Gen 5, where you don't have to wait days for fricking berries. You still didn't refute this and provide a benefit of berry farming. >bringing up another gen to start a genwar isn't bad
Sorry you're moronic anon get help.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I responded to your bullshit with logic, and all you did is cope. Please scroll up.
Never happened. Cope. >ORAS did diving better than Gen 5
Yeah glad we agree. >How is content content
Use your brain. >Again, this is [HEADCANON]
Uh huh. >Genwartard starts genwarring
Yeah thats you.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Never happened
Sorry you can't read >ORAS did diving better than Gen 5
Never said it. Both have diving. XY did not. All I said. >it's content yet I can't demonstrate how it's content so I'll take it as a given
Prove that it's content then. That's the question. >all arguments that show XY is bad is headcanon
Berry farming in XY is a worse system of obtaining berries than in Gen 5, where you don't have to wait days for fricking berries. You still didn't refute this and provide a benefit of berry farming. >no u
You started the genwarring by bringing up Unova in a Kalos thread.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Sorry I can't read
I accept your apology. >Both have diving
Yeha glad we agree Gen 6 has better diving. >Prove that it's content then
Its proven right there in the game. >Berry farming in XY is [HEADCANON]
Uh huh. >You started genwarring by calling a game shit.
Yeah thats you. Now stop genwarring.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>no YOU can't read!
Thanks for conceding >Both have diving except XY, which we're talking about
Thanks for conceeding >it's proven yet I can't explain how it's proven, especially when the Super Rod exists and does everything exactly the same and more
Thanks for conceding >It's headcanon even though because you're pointing out how Berry Farming is objectively a downgrade from buying berries instead of waiting three days for berries for no reason
Thanks for conceding >n-no YOU started genwars even though I'm the one who brought up an unrelated regions in a thread about XY only
Thanks for conceding
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Schizo lost his mind
Concession accepted.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>admits he can't argue like a normal person, yet arguing like a normal person means you are losing your mind
Thanks for conceeding
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Never happened
Sorry you can't read >ORAS did diving better than Gen 5
Never said it. Both have diving. XY did not. All I said. >it's content yet I can't demonstrate how it's content so I'll take it as a given
Prove that it's content then. That's the question. >all arguments that show XY is bad is headcanon
Berry farming in XY is a worse system of obtaining berries than in Gen 5, where you don't have to wait days for fricking berries. You still didn't refute this and provide a benefit of berry farming. >no u
You started the genwarring by bringing up Unova in a Kalos thread.
>no YOU can't read!
Thanks for conceding >Both have diving except XY, which we're talking about
Thanks for conceeding >it's proven yet I can't explain how it's proven, especially when the Super Rod exists and does everything exactly the same and more
Thanks for conceding >It's headcanon even though because you're pointing out how Berry Farming is objectively a downgrade from buying berries instead of waiting three days for berries for no reason
Thanks for conceding >n-no YOU started genwars even though I'm the one who brought up an unrelated regions in a thread about XY only
Thanks for conceding
>admits he can't argue like a normal person, yet arguing like a normal person means you are losing your mind
Thanks for conceeding
stop feeding the troll
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Yes
Indeed, you refuse to respond when you have nothing to respond with. >Fantastic.
Yes. You can't show me where I said ORAS did diving better than gen 5 because I didn't say that. >it's more immersive because I say it is
I ask again, how is a slower rod more immersive. Actually articulate your points instead of hiding behind schizo greentexthomosexualry. >removing content
What content was removed? The only difference is that BW allows you to not wait forever just to get berries. >saying Kalos is bad is a genwar in a thread discussing quality of Kalos
Sorry you can't handle any criticism of your shitty childhood nugen games because you were 7 in 2013.
Yeah, its because there's nothing in XY.
stop feeding the troll
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Maison since they don't offer anything new by being in the Maison
Maison is literally the only place I can play streak based Triple and Rotation battles. So yes, it does offer something new. >B-BUT THE GRAPHICS ARE UGLY BECAUSE OF THE FPS!!!
Cool then all of gen 5’s content is worthless because the entire game is ugly.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>sprites bad for no reason lol
They're bad because GF has historically proven they're bad at using sprites. The games you morons like to wiener suck don't even fully use sprites, for frick's sake. If you actually cared about sprites just for having sprites you would constantly be sitting on Gen 3's dick instead of worshipping gen 4 and 5 24/7.
time on models at the expense of the rest of the game....
There's no proof it's at the expense of the rest of the game when Gen 6 has more content than Gen 5.
>Why are you pretending like Gamefreak doesn't suck at 3D models as well
Because they don't.
You can't because that's a feature that's less relevant than better ones
How do I do the PWT in Kalos?
How do I dive in Kalos?
How do I interact with seasons in Kalos?
Where's the Entralink in Kalos?
Where's Join Avenue in Kalos?
Where are typed gems in Kalos?
Where is Pokestar in Kalos?
Where are musicals in Kalos?
These are all more meaningful than customization and playing dress up in a game that's about Pokemon, yet required relatively large amount of work for modeling that they could include these others. Would you be in favor of more features that are purely aesthetic, take a lot of resources, and have nothing to do with the pokemon and the rest of the game similar to customization? Would you want a human daycare simulator? Baby simulator? You'd probably call these "muh objective improvements" in a vacuum but they just take away from the game completely while eating up any precious resources of dev time and effort to relatively meaningless crap.
How do i catch Zorua in its debut generation? Oh wait you dont LMAO
4 months ago
Anonymous
In castelia in BW and drftveil in B2W2. Yet no where in Kalos.
trainer customization is a more relevant and important feature than everything you listed
No it's not. It's completely isolated from Pokemon and is just its own thing. I ask again, Would you be in favor of more features that are purely aesthetic, take a lot of resources, and have nothing to do with the pokemon and the rest of the game similar to customization? Would you want a human daycare simulator? Baby simulator? You'd probably call these "muh objective improvements" in a vacuum but they just take away from the game completely while eating up any precious resources of dev time and effort to relatively meaningless crap.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>It's completely isolated from Pokemon and is just its own thing
You can't use this argument and then shill fricking Pokestar Studios and Musicals. Pick one.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>pokestar: films movies with your Pokemon by using the core battle system in a new way >musicals: directly interacting with your pokemon >player customization: randomly play dress up with no connection to anything else
Seek help moronic anon
4 months ago
Anonymous
Trainers are directly related to Pokemon. Being able to change how my trainer looks so I don't have to fight clones of myself in PvP is far more in the spirit of classic Pokemon than fricking contest bullshit.
You can't because that's a feature that's less relevant than better ones
How do I do the PWT in Kalos?
How do I dive in Kalos?
How do I interact with seasons in Kalos?
Where's the Entralink in Kalos?
Where's Join Avenue in Kalos?
Where are typed gems in Kalos?
Where is Pokestar in Kalos?
Where are musicals in Kalos?
These are all more meaningful than customization and playing dress up in a game that's about Pokemon, yet required relatively large amount of work for modeling that they could include these others. Would you be in favor of more features that are purely aesthetic, take a lot of resources, and have nothing to do with the pokemon and the rest of the game similar to customization? Would you want a human daycare simulator? Baby simulator? You'd probably call these "muh objective improvements" in a vacuum but they just take away from the game completely while eating up any precious resources of dev time and effort to relatively meaningless crap.
How is walking diagonally content when it just ruined grid based puzzles? This is a negative for XY because they didn't utilize it and just kept the world blocky.
>out of nowhere
I'm sorry you have no reading comprehension.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>OP: Would people like XY more if they were sprite-based? >Me: If they had used that time to put more content in the game and if they dropped all the casualization bullshit then sure >You: AH YES UNOVA
4 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, a game with less content that didn't make the Pokemon 3D was used as an example to show that XY had more content despite being 3D. So there's no reason to think XY would have more content if it didn't have 3D. I'm sorry you have trouble reading.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>would game A have been better if it were made in this other way >NOOOOO IT'S ALREADY PERFECT SEETHE ABOUT THE OTHER GAME INSTEAD
That's pure genwar bullshit and you know it. You just take jabs ate Unova supposedly having less content whenever you can to start genwars when people inevitably point out Kalos doesn't have as much as it.
4 months ago
Anonymous
game A have been better if it were made in this other way
And the answer is no, because we have game B as an example that was made the other way that had less content. I'm sorry you have trouble reading.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>that had less content
that's the part where you start a genwar and you miss the point. People are asking you to directly imagine XY with nothing different except the sprites, not another game. It's you who's hellbent on genwarring.
Trainers are directly related to Pokemon. Being able to change how my trainer looks so I don't have to fight clones of myself in PvP is far more in the spirit of classic Pokemon than fricking contest bullshit.
While I agree with that quote, Ash is a unique design. Everyone wants to be ash. His quote should emphasize the importance of designing good characters as well. No where does it remotely imply that they should just give up and let the player do that job for them.
>amie is cut because it's too hard to implement in 2D >super training is cut because it's too hard to implement in 2D >trainer customization is cut because it's too hard to implement in 2D >diagonal movement and roller skates is cut because it's too hard to implement in 2D >gen 5 exists and it has less content anyway as evident from its lack of fishing rods, berry farming, triple and rotation battles, inverse battles, sky battles, horde battles, fewer less complex routes, no battle frontier, etc
Uh huh. Sure moron.
All of those would be much easier in 2D though. Also, Gen 5 has replacements for all of those while Kalos does not have replacements for all of those pre-get 5 ones plus all the Unova-exclusive ones.
4 months ago
Anonymous
> there's no reason to think XY would have more content if it didn't have 3D
?
Of fricking course there wine more content since they would have had more dev time.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>amie is cut because it's too hard to implement in 2D >super training is cut because it's too hard to implement in 2D >trainer customization is cut because it's too hard to implement in 2D >diagonal movement and roller skates is cut because it's too hard to implement in 2D >gen 5 exists and it has less content anyway as evident from its lack of fishing rods, berry farming, triple and rotation battles, inverse battles, sky battles, horde battles, fewer less complex routes, no battle frontier, etc
Uh huh. Sure moron.
the only thing they used gen 5’s dev time for was to pad the game with a bunch of new pokemon everyone immediately stopped caring about after playing the game once. The rest of the game is lacking.
>the thread turned into another Unova vs Kalos genwar because of invertbrains replying to discord trolls
to put this back on track, I think it would, but it would also be interesting to see Kalos essentially share visuals with Unova. Kalos was pretty loved on release because of how new and shiny it was and then its reputation dropped as time went on. If it had sprites it might be the opposite, more disappointing on release but easier to be nostalgic for as time went on.
The standards for sprites is staggeringly low. It makes me sad as someone who has a genuine appreciate for games with high effort spritework that morons just clap at any game that lazily throws in shitty sprites as if simply having sprites is an automatic improvement to the game’s quality.
People would probably pretend the design decision issues it has also aren't prevalent in other pokemon games, as seen by those certain other pokemon games existing
>how is it relevant to point out that GF doesn't make the models in a thread about arguing about the quality of the models and pinning it on GF
Stop being obtuse.
the thread has nothing to do about the quality of models, those are irrelavent shitposters that can't go one Kalos thread without shitting up the discussion.
Gen 3 and 5 have always been my favorites and I only just recently learned that it's at least partially because they run at 60fps (just the battles in gen 5 though)
There was always some unquantifable thing that made me feel more comfortable playing them and I think that was it.
that’s weird, when I have a personal opinion that bw2 is boring I’m able to elaborate why with objective reasons for why that is. I wonder why you can’t.
are there any fan games with pixel sprites and mons upto gen 9?
i hate that most fangames have ugly gba visuals, i am looking for something more polished and visually aesthetic
>i hate that most fangames have ugly gba visuals
gba rom hacking is the easiest and most developed, so hacks like radical red have all the mons
proper ds rom hacking is light years behind gba, im not very familiar with legit ds rom hack fangames
essentials games (fangames made in rpg maker like Uranium, Insurgence, etc.) use a slightly modified DS visual style though, so if you're looking for something like that you can probably find it there.
>battle maison is literally the battle subway with objectively more content >unovagays will still argue battle subway is somehow better
This is how you know they’re being disingenuous. They can’t concede on a single point and will perpetually go “NUH UH” to anything that makes Gen 5 look bad.
That wouldnt fix the region, the region is XY's biggest setback, its so soulless and empty, devoid of any culture in most of its towns, last Lumiose city you would borderline have nothing worth commenting on those locations. npcs dont feel like human beings.
XY never had an issue with its dex, XY's dex is great. making XY as a sprite game wouldnt fix any of its issues.
no you cant. Because BW is rich in literally every aspect. Its richer than even Sinnoh who's heavy in culture, there's not a single town in Sinnoh that doesnt contribute to its worldbuilding, and such is the same for BW.
>Kalos has no culture
this lie has gotten out of hand
I didnt say no culture, I did mention the game had some before reaching Lumiose, but it ends at Lumiose. Every other location is just really dull and lacks distinctiveness, none of it really contributes or is vague, the townspeople dont really talk much about the locations they are in, the Pokemon of the region just dont feel important outside of maybe Furfrou who has a gimmick entirely surrounding it, hell there's more about megas and even megas has really little, the Lucario statue, the giant megalith crystal which resonates with megas and is never elaborated on why, and thats where it ends.
I genuinely feel we got more out of Mega Evo from Hoenn than we did in XY. Shit's just so poorly done overall, I truly, genuinely hope this is one of the points Pokemon Z does, I dont believe we'll be sticking to Lumiose only otherwise I may as well forfeit hope on that idea.
How do you go an entire game that is filled to the brim with different culture across every single town and have the audacity to ask me this? Hell, pick one town, I can probably break down every single aspect that makes that town have its identity.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>How do you go an entire game that is filled to the brim with different culture across every single town
explain what this means
3 months ago
Anonymous
>explain >explain >explain >explain
youre a broken record but I like talking so ill feed it to you, the person who has not played the games.
Its identity and history. Pick one town in Unova and you wont find it anywhere else, both visually as you can tell from the picture, and culturally from history to what it has at present, thats what culture is all about.
other regions have different themes for each town. how does that make their culture less rich than Unova?
Thats the case for Sinnoh, Hoenn has plentiful of cases too, and to answer that its the livelihood of Unova with the NPCs that brings these aspects of culture above the others
Johto also has a few aspects of this but they arent really all that rich outside of 3 towns, and in my opinion it gets hindered by having to stick with Kanto which has borderline no cultural aspects beyond a museum and Pokemon Tower and its hard to say a graveyard is a cultural structure but we'll go with that for the sake of not upsetting people.
kind of just seems like the cities are named after clouds
its just flavor, just a picture I found that had all towns to illustrate my point
3 months ago
Anonymous
> Its identity and history
Explain how the towns have more identity and history than the ones in Kalos
3 months ago
Anonymous
Id have to go and compare every single town and I cant be assed, from a general aspect towns that have good cultural aspect in kalos comparatively to Unova are Lumiose City and Couriway town, everything else feels shadow or generally structured the same or even goes as far as clashing in a way that isnt explained like Pokeball factory being all the way up to Laverre city a town that from a general cultural aspect has no relation to factories whatsoever, Geosenge having 3 random stone pillars built on top of the weapon, and the surrounding people in that town give you no additional info whatsoever about the culture of the town. those aspects bring down XY severely in my opinion, its lack of structural narrative feels soulless, I mentioned in the thread before but a game with so much heavy focus on Mega evolution research has very little idea of how things work and why things work like Anistar's crystal resonating with them, stuff like that just feels like poor execution to me.
Humilau city is just like Pacifidlog Town and Seafolk Village
You actively see people in Humilau indulging in water activities and even have structures like the underwater tunnel leading to it, you dont have that in pacifidlog town, while a great town idea on paper its execution is rather shallow
Seafolk village is more or less the same, it has a few cool boats but you cant even do much with them, little to no NPCs to interact with, its just boring
Even if Kalos isnt super culturally rich, Alola just shot itself in the foot in regards to its culture
3 months ago
Anonymous
> and the surrounding people in that town give you no additional info whatsoever about the culture of the town
They do though. Did you pay attention to the game?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Show me then, liar
3 months ago
Anonymous
Humilau city is just like Pacifidlog Town and Seafolk Village
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Humilau city
island, houses on shallow beach >Pacifidlog Town
houses on floating logs in the middle of the ocean >Seafolk Village
pier with nomadic people living in unique houseboats
I'm not the moron you were replying to but those are 3 different places and not alike.
3 months ago
Anonymous
other regions have different themes for each town. how does that make their culture less rich than Unova?
3 months ago
Anonymous
kind of just seems like the cities are named after clouds
3 months ago
Anonymous
>explain >explain >explain >explain
youre a broken record but I like talking so ill feed it to you, the person who has not played the games.
Its identity and history. Pick one town in Unova and you wont find it anywhere else, both visually as you can tell from the picture, and culturally from history to what it has at present, thats what culture is all about.
[...]
Thats the case for Sinnoh, Hoenn has plentiful of cases too, and to answer that its the livelihood of Unova with the NPCs that brings these aspects of culture above the others
Johto also has a few aspects of this but they arent really all that rich outside of 3 towns, and in my opinion it gets hindered by having to stick with Kanto which has borderline no cultural aspects beyond a museum and Pokemon Tower and its hard to say a graveyard is a cultural structure but we'll go with that for the sake of not upsetting people.
[...]
its just flavor, just a picture I found that had all towns to illustrate my point
Id have to go and compare every single town and I cant be assed, from a general aspect towns that have good cultural aspect in kalos comparatively to Unova are Lumiose City and Couriway town, everything else feels shadow or generally structured the same or even goes as far as clashing in a way that isnt explained like Pokeball factory being all the way up to Laverre city a town that from a general cultural aspect has no relation to factories whatsoever, Geosenge having 3 random stone pillars built on top of the weapon, and the surrounding people in that town give you no additional info whatsoever about the culture of the town. those aspects bring down XY severely in my opinion, its lack of structural narrative feels soulless, I mentioned in the thread before but a game with so much heavy focus on Mega evolution research has very little idea of how things work and why things work like Anistar's crystal resonating with them, stuff like that just feels like poor execution to me.
[...]
You actively see people in Humilau indulging in water activities and even have structures like the underwater tunnel leading to it, you dont have that in pacifidlog town, while a great town idea on paper its execution is rather shallow
Seafolk village is more or less the same, it has a few cool boats but you cant even do much with them, little to no NPCs to interact with, its just boring
Even if Kalos isnt super culturally rich, Alola just shot itself in the foot in regards to its culture
...right inbetween a bunch of people camping and partying and a town rich on mining and development. >nooooo but the region with a heavy amount of bridge structures which are all uniquely different cannot have a CHARIZARD BRIDGE ONLY MY KALORINO IS ALLOWED TO GIVE CHARIZARD 2 FORMS
>doesnt talk about their "Mysterious Power" that is mentioned when you interact with them
So whats special about these stones? Resistance to weather has no cultural significance.
> Now compare that to village bridge
The place where people’s daily lives are barely affected by the bridge?
3 months ago
Anonymous
you get lore about how the river floods all the time and they had to adapt to living on the bridge. People in anistar barely mention the sundial
3 months ago
Anonymous
You mean like people barely mention the bridge?
3 months ago
Anonymous
You got the wrong game buddy. It’s Kalos where civilians are obvilious. They mention the bridge.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You got the wrong game buddy. It’s Unova where civilians are obvilious. They mention the sundial.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Verifiably wrong if you had played the games. Stop parroting where it doesn’t apply.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Verifiably wrong if you had played the games. Stop parroting where it doesn’t apply.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>still parroting yet claiming I’m parroting, while his parroting is visible front and center
Thanks for conceding anon. Anyone else ITT can verify for themselves what I’m saying by playing the game, while realizing you’re full of shit.
No, if anything the lack of content only felt "acceptable" because people gave GF the benefit of tbe doubt that the transition to 3d was rough on the development and that the gen 6 remakes and third version would fix this. When not only did ORAS not do this, but a Z version was skipped entirely it just really solidified the idea that GF was still stuck in their "one step forward, two steps back" design philosophy that people were hoping they finally broke sway from.
Yes absolutely. The shift to 3D marked the beginning of the end of soul
The Aegislash transformation animations were soul.
That's it.
New Pokemon Snap showed the series can look great and sovlful in 3D, the issue is, as always, GF being the developer and shitting the bed on anything even remotely technically demanding despite making video games for almost three decades. I do agree an element of the series look and feel was lost with moving away from 2D and there should be more games that still incorporate it.
sprites are just more soulful by default, even romhacks ilicit more charm nowadays than Gamefreak's modern titles. Not because 3D is soulless, but it requires a much clearer direction and competency.
You just go off of the idle animations. Why does everyone ignore the attack animations in the 3D games? Oh wait, because /vp/ is biased towards their childhood
Because that's what's on screen more than 99 percent of the time and should look like it's mid-battle instead of breaking/bracing for hugs for most mons.
Good thing that's not what sprites remotely mean anon.
Gee nice argument.
So the soul stopped with DP?
forced meme
>w-wait no 3D magically stops counting as 3D if it's a game I like
pokemon fans should really stop trying to be like sonic fans, it's really cringe
It still has sprites though.
>"is" used the same
>It still has sprites though.
So does XY.
You mean on devices that have 2D screens? Yeah, the actual moms are not
>Would people like XY more if it was objectively worse?
art style cannot be judged objectively
The game being worse from having drastically reduced features can be judged objectively.
Yes it can
2D = good
3D = bad
Maybe! Back when XY came out a good chunk of complaints was about how stiff and lifeless the 3D models looked, which is kinda true
On the other hand, people would berate GF for not doing 3D on the fricking 3ds
>On the other hand, people would berate GF for not doing 3D on the fricking 3ds
ppl dont know what they wouldve lost...
Sprites wouldn’t shove XY’s lack of identity and tiny dex. BW had perfected the balance by learning from HGSS’s glaring refuseal to fix everything people despised about Johto’s mainly the glaring flaw of being Kanto’s Backyard. But pokehomosexuals were too stupid to appreciate Masuda’s Magnum opus
this post boils down /vp/ discord raiding to a fine essence, well done not even trying to be subtle.
This is true, but 90% of XY's development was 3D shit, so with sprites they couldve made those aspects a lot better
Also I agree, besides the iffy mon designs I really don't see why people suddenly dislike Unova so much, it's one of the most carefully made regions, but normies made fun of Trubbish and now everyone is just parroting that
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>muh identity
meme argument
because megas are effectively new pokemon except actually relevant unlike shit like gen 5 which is 90% filler no one gives an absolute frick about.
If you don't like pokemon for the identity and aesthetic why are you even playing?
I like Pokemon for the gameplay, not the moronic meme buzzwords you made up to pretend gen 5 is good.
>"I like it for the gameplay"
>doesn't like gen 5
>doesn’t like [game with bad gameplay]
Checks out.
gen 5 has the same gameplay as gen 4
the first 6 gens all play alike
okay but Swoobat is uglier than Crobat
>gen 5 has the same gameplay as [game that has shit gameplay]
wow what an accomplishment
Damn you play for the gameplay AND xy is your favorite? I almost feel bad...
Kalos is peak aesthetic but shit gameplay
Anon you are most certainly talking to someone who likes Megas. Don't waste your time.
Actually youre right, thanks for saving me anon
I like Kalos but I'm almost embarassed by it at this point with the way Kalosbros have been acting...
It's pretty sad how even with megas XY is a more balanced game than gen 5.
> Damn you play for the gameplay AND xy is your favorite? I almost feel bad...
This is a blind man feeling sorry for someone who sees.
>because megas are effectively new pokemon
Every single person who likes megas should have realized that the Pokemon franchise just isn't for them and dropped it.
>the franchise isn’t for you if you like megas
>which is why megas are in 3 separate gens and multiple spin-offs
Exactly, now you get it. XY belongs with the slop that came afterwards.
>Johto’s mainly the glaring flaw of being Kanto’s Backyard
>By """""replicating""""" the Kanto Dex
they'd still be criticized but yes
I'd like just about every game more if it was sprites, except for maybe Let's Go/Legends since I can't imagine doing that with sprites.
Yawngay would be forced to defend it so it'd be kek
>That small amount of new pokemon
Why were people okay with this again?
because Unova did a large dex and tried to do something original by doing a "reboot" and people shat their pants so hard they had to focus on pandering for Gen 6.
no, i'm not saying Unova's dex reboot idea was perfect, it lacked variety and some mons were bad, but the negative response made every region since then have something to cater to old pokemon: megas/regionals/gigantamax/paradox
This. Unova designs were hit or miss but the outrage was so big it changed the entire direction of the franchise
This is why we can't get nice things, people don't accept that experimentation includes trial and error
>trial and error
there was almost no quality control during gen v whatsoever
Of course there was, do you think designing pokemon is easy? It's hard as frick, thats why gen 5 struggled and the next gens focused on redesigning past mons and made the number of new ones minimum, besides the Unova backlash of course
>and tried to do something original
80% of the dex is just uglier versions of previous gen mons and copy/pasted dogshit like the monkeys and genies. FRICK, even the box art legends are 3 dragons............AGAIN. making an uglier zubat doesn't impress me, sorry
Woobat is actually cuter than Zubat, take those nostalgiagoggles off
nah it's ugly and forgettable, like most things from gen 5.
as stated, the dex has problems, personally i think some of the comparisons people draw are absurd, but I get what people mean.
All I said is that Unova trying to have it's dex stand on it's own because like it or not making Chandelure is not pandering like Mega Gengar is blew up in their face so Gamefreak made sure to give old pokemon equal spotlight with new pokemon going forward.
Standing on its own doesn’t mean anything if the vast majority of it is garbage.
Alright, but don't blame them when they decide to downsize and stick to what worked before.
They've been doing that.
>Kanto - 151 new pokemon
>Johto - 100 new pokemon
>Hoenn - 135 new pokemon
>Sinnoh - 107 new pokemon
>Unova - 156 new pokemon
---Unova Panic Line Here---
>Kalos - 72 new pokemon
>Alola - 86 new pokemon
>Galar - 81 new pokemon
>Paldea - 85 new pokemon (no, im not counting paradox/convergent pokemon)
>no I'm not counting new pokemon because it ruins my moronic genwar narrative
>noooo it has a different name and dex number it's a brand new pokemon! this is NOT pandering to old pokemon!!
>noooo it has a different name and dex number it's a brand new pokemon! this is NOT pandering to old pokemon!!
Tangrowth gives Tangela more use since it can evolve into a half-decent mon, cross-gen evolutions are mostly a good thing. Scream Tail does nothing for Jigglypuff.
You’re right. Purugly does nothing for Jigglypuff so it isn’t a new Pokemon.
What
>Alright, but don't blame them when they decide to [do better thing]
Now that I'm looking at it like this, some Unova mons are ugly and copied, but there are lots of amazing "reimaginations" here, they really tried their best...
Crustle doesn't even learn Crabhammer
There are clearly parallels meant to serve similar roles as a missing kanto Pokémon but for most of these really do feel unique, for me it’s about 50/50 on which side is better but very few feel like ripoffs. And anyway you stretch enough you could do this for most regions except Johto woiod just have a Kanto Pokémon on both sides because lol west Kanto/Kanto’s backyard/ Kanto’s tumor/buzzword
gonna drop a "hot take" here but having some redundancy for a series as long-running as pokemon is a good thing. it allows for variety in what pokemon get included in each new region instead of having geodude in every region. and zubat. and magikarp. and goldeen, abra, machop, psyduck, pikachu, tentacruel, magnemite, and rhyhorn.
or at least that what i would say if they didn't immediately balloon dex sizes in gen 6 and render the entire concept pointless.
Cute autism cat
A lot of the Unovan ones mog Kanto's supposed counterpart, very cool
Also the only mons here that even share the same animal were Hypno and Musharna both being Tapyr
The bottom half of this image is moronic. A mantis is not a butterfly. A centipede is not a bee. A desert hermit crab bug ground type is not an ocean crab. A mushroom is not a poke ball. A swan is not a duck. A chandelier is not poison gas.
>it’s ghost type so it’s a clone
>it’s dragon so it’s a clone
>it’s a bird so it’s a clone
Whoever made this image is brown
it was clearly made by a cancerous shitposter for a unova hate thread
>it lacked variety
Reminder that it was so poorly planned out that towards the end they had to change the types of established Pokemon like the Jellicent line and Stunfisk for type variety. I also recall hearing that the Vanillux line only exists because they needed another Ice type to be made asap.
Because they look good.
Megas overwrote the badly looking new pokemon
the answer is so obvious I will not say it
Yes, but it would still be bad for other reasons.
You can get every pokemon up to hawlucha before you beat the 2nd gym...
Yeah, it’s great. I can actually use the new Pokemon I want during most of the playthrough unlike Unova where if you want to use Bisharp and Volcarona and Braviary you’re utterly fricked.
And that's why fan sprite artists exist. You answered your own question based on that OP pic anyway.
They'd be even more brutal with the critical panning without the 3D gwafics. XY would be undoubtedly considered the worst by a landslide for a long time
>49 posts
>19 posters
yeah having to samegay to pretend xy is bad is pretty pathetic
>thread about Kalos
>it turns into a thread about Unova
say it with me now: Every time.
If they had used that time to put more content in the game and if they dropped all the casualization bullshit then sure
The game having models is what allowed them to put in more content than gen 5.
>the game wasting effort for little to no benefit is what allowed them to put in more content even though there's actually less content than unova
nice try, but no
how do I customize my trainer in unova?
You can't because that's a feature that's less relevant than better ones
How do I do the PWT in Kalos?
How do I dive in Kalos?
How do I interact with seasons in Kalos?
Where's the Entralink in Kalos?
Where's Join Avenue in Kalos?
Where are typed gems in Kalos?
Where is Pokestar in Kalos?
Where are musicals in Kalos?
These are all more meaningful than customization and playing dress up in a game that's about Pokemon, yet required relatively large amount of work for modeling that they could include these others. Would you be in favor of more features that are purely aesthetic, take a lot of resources, and have nothing to do with the pokemon and the rest of the game similar to customization? Would you want a human daycare simulator? Baby simulator? You'd probably call these "muh objective improvements" in a vacuum but they just take away from the game completely while eating up any precious resources of dev time and effort to relatively meaningless crap.
>How do I do the PWT in Kalos?
You mean do battles against moronic NPCs? Any route
>How do I dive in Kalos?
You mean catch water mons? Use the super rod.
>How do I interact with seasons in Kalos?
Just walk through the routes?
>Where's the Entralink in Kalos?
You mean a place to catch mons? Any route.
>Where's Join Avenue in Kalos?
You mean shops that sell stuff? Try Lumiose City.
>Where are typed gems in Kalos?
Terminus Cave.
>Where is Pokestar in Kalos?
You mean moronic non-content filler? Lumiose City.
>Where are musicals in Kalos?
Same as above.
>You mean do battles
against equal level trainers while being restricted to rentals making it harder, yes. Kalos doesn't have this.
>catch water mons
No, dive. It fleshes out the world and provide more content including a dungeon, yet Kalos is lacking.
>walk through the routes
I did Kalos routes don't have seasonal changes.
>place to catch mons
No, Entralink, missions, etc. Kalos lacks this.
>shops
No, making your own mall and maintaining its popularity. Kalos lacks this.
>Terminus cave
Only the normal gem. I asked for typed games, which actually make a difference in battle.
>Pokestar doesn't count as content.
It mogs whatever other mini game in Kalos by actually requiring you to think and use the battle system for another purpose than defeating the opponent, unlike inflatable shit in Kalos that could be an arcade game isolated from the main games on its own.
>Musicals
Funny how bonding with your pokemon doesn't count when it's a game you hate like BW. These were actually fun and didn't frick me over with muh affection bullshit.
how do musicals help you bond with your pokemon?
Because you get to have fun interacting with your Pokemon, like Amie, except without the moronic affection bullshit
>against equal level trainers
So piss easy content while Kalos lets you use lvl5 mons in Maison against 50 mons which is much harder.
>It fleshes out the world and provides more content
Old rod is 10 times more content.
>I did Kalos routes don't have seasonal changes.
Yes it does.
>No, Entralink
So catch mons? Kalos already has this.
>Only the normal gem
So it has gems, glad we agree. Also megas are much better than gems and make more difference in battles.
>It mogs
No it doesnt.
>These were actually fun
Lmao.
>So piss easy content
Nope, rentals which Kalos lacks. Meanwhile, the Subway scatches the other itch you're describing as an irrelevant tangent
>old rod is better than actually putting effort into diving like ORAS did and giving a proper dungeon that can't be steamrolled in one go
Thanks for confirming you're moronic
>Yes it does
Show me how the routes change based on the season in XY.
>catch mons
No, Entralink, missions with multiplayer, etc. Kalos lacks this.
>so it has gems
Yes, but not the ones that actually matter. I initially asked about typed gems because they actually make a noticeable difference in-battle. Kalos lacks these. Meanwhile Megas are only locked to specific mons and are gimmick trash meant for marketing.
>No it doesn't
Yes it does. Pokestar mogs whatever other mini game in Kalos by actually requiring you to think and use the battle system for another purpose than defeating the opponent, unlike inflatable shit in Kalos that could be an arcade game isolated from the main games on its own.
>Lmao
Yes, musicals were fun.
>Thanks for confirming you're moronic
he was always moronic, and you're gonna get diagnosed too if you keep responding to an obvious discord schizo
stop feeding the troll
>Nope, rentals which Kalos lacks
You can trade your friend a rentalö anytime you want.
>Thanks for confirming you're moronic
Not an argument.
>Show me how the routes change based on the season in XY.
Theres autumn route and theres snow route so clearly theres seasonal changes.
>No, Entralink, missions
So catch a mon? Kalos has this already like i said. Pic related.
>Yes
Glad we agree. Didnt read your cope about Megas which are the best battle gimmick. Cry about it.
>Yes, musicals were fun.
Lmao
>You can trade
You can do this in any facility though, but it's not forced to make it hard. Therefore the XY facility is easy.
>not an argument
actually putting effort into diving like ORAS did and giving a proper dungeon that can't be steamrolled in one go is better than the old rod
>There's a (route with static appearance without changes) and a (route with static appearance without changes)
So no seasonal changes. Got it.
>So catch a mon
That's not what it is. Show me funfest missions, Pass Powers, and Royal Shitlos in XY.
>glad we agree
That XY removed gems? Yes. Also Megas are the worst gimmick since only handfuls could utilize them and they were the most unbalanced
>Lmao
Yes, musicals were fun, just like Amie. Except they didn't plague me with affection bullshit
>Therefore the XY facility is easy.
Nope.
>effort into diving like ORAS
Yeah glad we agree ORAS is better than anything before it.
>So seasonal changes
Glad we agree.
>Show me Pass Powers
You mean O powers? Yeah they are better in Kalos.
>That XY removed gems
They are right there in Terminus Cave.
>Yes, musicals were fun
Lmao.
>Nope.
Yep. XY facilities don't limit you, so if you have an average team it's easy.
>ORAS is better because of diving
Gen 5 and 3 had diving yet Kalos didn't. That's the point.
>Glad we agree
That XY changes nothing based on the seasons? Yes.
>O Powers
Handed to you, yes. Funniest missions and Entralink are gone. Stop excusing the lack of content.
>They are right there.
There are no typed ones though, so XY removed those.
>Lmao
Yes, musicals were fun, just like Amie, except they didn't plague me with affection bullshit
>sprites bad for no reason lol
>wasting time on models at the expense of the rest of the game....LE GOOD
Why are you pretending like Gamefreak doesn't suck at 3D models as well? Blastoise only now actually works properly a decade later, and he's the top percent who were actually fixed. Most still have the terrible colors of the XY models.
[spoilers] also, you are posting edited sprites. Tough sell for "criticism" when the game didn't actually look like that.
>XY facilities don't limit you
Yes they do.
>Gen 6 had diving. That's the point.
Yeah thats what i said.
>O-Powers
Yeah are better in Kalos. Glad we agree.
>There are no typed ones
Normal is a type.
>Yes, musicals were fun
Lmao.
>Yes they do
Show me rentals in XY then.
>Gen 6 has diving
We’re talking about XY, which didn’t
>are better in Kalos
Then where are the funfest missions? Where’s Royal Kalos?
>Normal
So they removed most gems. They removed gems that actually matter and have impacts. That’s the criticism.
>Lmao
Yes, musicals were fun, just like Amie, except they didn't plague me with affection bullshit
>aliasing in motion is bad
Gee guess the 3DS games are the ugliest then.
In that image, the left two still are game where moves come from a fixed point and you choose mons that align with where they originate. They still had the same problem with other mons as charizard did in the BW screenshot
>if you actually cared about sprites you would exclude (games with sprites)
This doesn’t make sense.
>there’s no proof when (blatant falsehood I take as a given)
Most people agree Xy should have had more to do, so less effort in the modeling department would have helped with that.
>because they don’t
They certainly do. It’s been a decade and we’re only seeing marginal improvements fixing what XY started shitting out in 2013
>Show me rentals in XY then.
You can trade with friend at any time.
>We’re talking about XY, which didn’t
Yeah no idea why you brought Gen 3 into it.
>Then where are the [not content]
In worse games.
>Yes, musicals were fun
Lmao
>You can do thing that isn't rentals
Cool, so PWT is better than XY's facilities because it has rentals, increasing challenge.
>no idea why you brought (game with dive) into it
So Kalos doesn't have diving, glad we agree.
>funniest missions don't count as content because it's from the game my narrative says is bad
Ok so Kalos doesn't have them, among other things. I'm glad we agree. While we're at it, by your own words, Kalos is a worse game because I hate every nee feature in it and therefore they don't count as content. Kalos has no content.
>fun bad lmao
Yes, musicals were fun, just like Amie, except they didn't plague me with affection bullshit. Glad we agree Kalos lacks them and is therefore a shit game because it removed shit all over.
>Cool, so PWT is better
Nope.
>ORAS has better diving than Unova
Yeah you said that already.
>Ok so Kalos doesn't have them
Kalos has catching pokemon and wild battles. Glad we agree.
>Yes, musicals were fun
Lmao.
>Nope.
Yep, PWT is better than XY's facilities because it has rentals, increasing challenge. Kalos lacks this
>ORAS has better diving than Unova
Never said that. Both of them DO have diving though, which is a plus. Kalos lacks this.
>Kalos has (irrelevant tangent)
So Kalos doesn't have Funfest missions, Entralink, and Royal Kalos. Glad we agree.
>fun bad lmao
Yes, musicals were fun, just like Amie, except they didn't plague me with affection bullshit. Glad we agree Kalos lacks them and is therefore a shit game because it removed shit all over.
stop feeding the troll
>Nope
Yup, Battle Maison is better than BW's facilities because you can use low level Pokemon, increasing challenge. BW lacks this.
>Never said that
Yes you did.
>So Kalos has better things than Funfest missions, Entralink, and Royal Kalos. Glad we agree.
Yeah glad we agree.
>Yes, musicals were fun
Lmao. Glad we agree Unova lacks old rod and berry farming because it removed shit all over.
>you can use low level Pokemon, increasing challenge. BW lacks this.
So I take it you conceded the previous point an pivoted to this. Not only do you get to the Maison father along in the game than your mons being level 50 anyway, rendering it useless, but more common challenge increaser is present in the Battle Subway, since it forces you to save the game between challenges, effectively preventing the player from achieving artificial win streaks.
XY lacks this more common occurrence.
>Yes you did.
Show me where I said ORAS has better diving than Unova does. I never did.
>B-but Kalos has BETTER things waaahhh!
Nope. It removed these objectively good additions that people enjoyed and didn't replace them with any proper equivalents. You're gonna have to convince me that it adequately replaced them because it doesn't come close to doing so.
>old rod
BW has Super Rod
>berry farming
this isn't a positive. If my supermarket stopped selling berries and instead only offered a lot where I can grow my own, that's a worse supermarket. Thank God I don't have to wait forever in BW just to obtain berries and can get them like a normal person without week long waits.
>Cope on why Battle Kekway is supposedly better
Didnt read. Maison is better and harder.
>Show me where I said ORAS has better diving than Unova
Read your own posts.
>But Kalos has better things
Correct. Glad we agree.
>BW has Super Rod
So does Kalos so Kalos is better since it has more.
>Cope why removing features is good
Concession accepted.
>Maison is better and harder even though you demonstrated why the Subway is better and harder
Thanks for conceding
>your posts
Gee that helps. I already did. I never said ORAS had better diving than Gen 5, since Gen 5 has diving. I said ti was better than XY since XY doesn't have diving at all.
>Correct
Nope. Kalos lacks these things and doesn't replace them adequately.
>so does Kalos so it's better
Why would you use an old rod over a super rod? Seems like Kalos just wants to waste my time for no reason.
>removing features
Berry farming isn't a feature. Gen 5 had a better system of obtaining berries that didn't have you waiting like a farmer for no reason.
To be fair, yes. The Subway would be better if it had triples and rotations. However, they don't really improve the Maison since they don't offer anything new by being in the Maison. It just slows down the 3DS every single time because it wasn't optimized for loading six 3D models at the same time in the fidelity that they wanted. SM was a little better but still suffered handsomely.
Additionally. the other anon mentioned Gen 5, not BW specifically. Therefore, we can also compare all of B2W2's facilities since it has the Subway anyway plus all the new ones. Combined, they're vastly superior to the Maison.
It seems like your go-to cope whenever someone rationally calls out your arguments and why they are wrong, you just pretend they're denying when you refuse to properly engage with their rebuttals in return.
>Maison is better and harder
Correct.
>Gee that helps.
Glad you can finally read.
>Nope.
Yup.
>Why would you immerse yourself into an RPG world
Gee i dunno i guess Unova doesnt have this lol.
>Berry farming isn't a feature.
Proof?
>Correct even after demonstrated to be false
Cope
>glad you can read
I did and I never said diving is better in ORAS than Gen 5, only that both are better than XY because XY lacks diving
>Yup.
Nope. Kalos lacks these things and doesn't replace them adequately.
>immersion
How is a slower rod more immersive? What's the benefit exactly if you could just use the Super Rod instead?
>Proof?
If my supermarket stopped selling berries and instead only offered a lot where I can grow my own, that's a worse supermarket. Thank God I don't have to wait forever in BW just to obtain berries and can get them like a normal person without week long waits.
>Maison
But how do those things make it so much better of they have a worse experience?
>ugly graphics
Not what I said. I said the game stops functioning anywhere near 100% and becomes a borderline unplayable mess since it can't load six models at once and gives a worse experience than playing the singles or doubles. Nevermind about how XY removed 60fps across ALL battles and many people disagreeing with you and preferring Gen 5's graphics over the slow 3D death XY instigated, but graphics is a completely separate argument that only the likes of (You) have the genwar hungry instinct to pivot to.
last two points meant for
>Cope
Yes thats what you do.
>I did
Fantastic.
>How is a slower rod more immersive?
>How is being more immersive more immersive
Tough question.
>Schizo babble
Lot of cope for removing content lol.
>likes of (You) have the genwar hungry instinct
Funny thing when (You) were the first one to say Kalos is a shit game.
>Yes
Indeed, you refuse to respond when you have nothing to respond with.
>Fantastic.
Yes. You can't show me where I said ORAS did diving better than gen 5 because I didn't say that.
>it's more immersive because I say it is
I ask again, how is a slower rod more immersive. Actually articulate your points instead of hiding behind schizo greentexthomosexualry.
>removing content
What content was removed? The only difference is that BW allows you to not wait forever just to get berries.
>saying Kalos is bad is a genwar in a thread discussing quality of Kalos
Sorry you can't handle any criticism of your shitty childhood nugen games because you were 7 in 2013.
>Indeed, you refuse to respond
Thats you.
>Yes.
Yes.
>Actually articulate your points instead of hiding behind schizo greentexthomosexualry.
Yeah i dont know why you keep greentexting and not articulating your points.
>What content was removed?
Old rod and berry farming for starters.
>saying Unova is bad is a genwar in a thread discussing quality of sprites
Sorry you can't handle any criticism of your shitty childhood nugen games because you were 5 in 2011.
>Thats you.
I responded to your bullshit with logic, and all you did is cope. Please scroll up.
>Yes
Glad we agree I never said ORAS did diving better than Gen 5, but rather better than XY because XY didn't do it.
>no u
I responded to your points with points, and you repsonded to me with shitposting and no u's.
>old rod is content
How is is offering anything over Super Rod? You still didn't explain this.
>berry farming
Again, this is a worse system of obtaining berries than in Gen 5, where you don't have to wait days for fricking berries. You still didn't refute this and provide a benefit of berry farming.
>bringing up another gen to start a genwar isn't bad
Sorry you're moronic anon get help.
>I responded to your bullshit with logic, and all you did is cope. Please scroll up.
Never happened. Cope.
>ORAS did diving better than Gen 5
Yeah glad we agree.
>How is content content
Use your brain.
>Again, this is [HEADCANON]
Uh huh.
>Genwartard starts genwarring
Yeah thats you.
>Never happened
Sorry you can't read
>ORAS did diving better than Gen 5
Never said it. Both have diving. XY did not. All I said.
>it's content yet I can't demonstrate how it's content so I'll take it as a given
Prove that it's content then. That's the question.
>all arguments that show XY is bad is headcanon
Berry farming in XY is a worse system of obtaining berries than in Gen 5, where you don't have to wait days for fricking berries. You still didn't refute this and provide a benefit of berry farming.
>no u
You started the genwarring by bringing up Unova in a Kalos thread.
>Sorry I can't read
I accept your apology.
>Both have diving
Yeha glad we agree Gen 6 has better diving.
>Prove that it's content then
Its proven right there in the game.
>Berry farming in XY is [HEADCANON]
Uh huh.
>You started genwarring by calling a game shit.
Yeah thats you. Now stop genwarring.
>no YOU can't read!
Thanks for conceding
>Both have diving except XY, which we're talking about
Thanks for conceeding
>it's proven yet I can't explain how it's proven, especially when the Super Rod exists and does everything exactly the same and more
Thanks for conceding
>It's headcanon even though because you're pointing out how Berry Farming is objectively a downgrade from buying berries instead of waiting three days for berries for no reason
Thanks for conceding
>n-no YOU started genwars even though I'm the one who brought up an unrelated regions in a thread about XY only
Thanks for conceding
>Schizo lost his mind
Concession accepted.
>admits he can't argue like a normal person, yet arguing like a normal person means you are losing your mind
Thanks for conceeding
stop feeding the troll
stop feeding the troll
>Maison since they don't offer anything new by being in the Maison
Maison is literally the only place I can play streak based Triple and Rotation battles. So yes, it does offer something new.
>B-BUT THE GRAPHICS ARE UGLY BECAUSE OF THE FPS!!!
Cool then all of gen 5’s content is worthless because the entire game is ugly.
>sprites bad for no reason lol
They're bad because GF has historically proven they're bad at using sprites. The games you morons like to wiener suck don't even fully use sprites, for frick's sake. If you actually cared about sprites just for having sprites you would constantly be sitting on Gen 3's dick instead of worshipping gen 4 and 5 24/7.
time on models at the expense of the rest of the game....
There's no proof it's at the expense of the rest of the game when Gen 6 has more content than Gen 5.
>Why are you pretending like Gamefreak doesn't suck at 3D models as well
Because they don't.
trainer customization is a more relevant and important feature than everything you listed
autism
>he's sperging out again
how do I pet and feed my pokemon in unova?
Go to their summary screen and tap them. That s for not actually playing Unova games.
how do I do super training in unova?
>training faster (casualiztaion) is content
see
How do i catch Pikachu in Unova?
You don't, like every game it has some pokemon catchable but all obtainable. How do I catch Zorua in Kalos?
How do i catch Zorua in its debut generation? Oh wait you dont LMAO
In castelia in BW and drftveil in B2W2. Yet no where in Kalos.
No it's not. It's completely isolated from Pokemon and is just its own thing. I ask again, Would you be in favor of more features that are purely aesthetic, take a lot of resources, and have nothing to do with the pokemon and the rest of the game similar to customization? Would you want a human daycare simulator? Baby simulator? You'd probably call these "muh objective improvements" in a vacuum but they just take away from the game completely while eating up any precious resources of dev time and effort to relatively meaningless crap.
>It's completely isolated from Pokemon and is just its own thing
You can't use this argument and then shill fricking Pokestar Studios and Musicals. Pick one.
>pokestar: films movies with your Pokemon by using the core battle system in a new way
>musicals: directly interacting with your pokemon
>player customization: randomly play dress up with no connection to anything else
Seek help moronic anon
Trainers are directly related to Pokemon. Being able to change how my trainer looks so I don't have to fight clones of myself in PvP is far more in the spirit of classic Pokemon than fricking contest bullshit.
How do I make a base or decorate my room in Unova?
How do I do that and more (Unova features
outlined) in Kalos?
how do I walk diagonally in unova?
How is walking diagonally content when it just ruined grid based puzzles? This is a negative for XY because they didn't utilize it and just kept the world blocky.
Are you saying models take less time than sprites
No, I'm saying Gen 5 was so stagnant and low effort that even with the work of implementing models, Gen 6 has more content.
Oh so you mentioned gen 5 out of nowhere, got it
>out of nowhere
I'm sorry you have no reading comprehension.
>OP: Would people like XY more if they were sprite-based?
>Me: If they had used that time to put more content in the game and if they dropped all the casualization bullshit then sure
>You: AH YES UNOVA
Yes, a game with less content that didn't make the Pokemon 3D was used as an example to show that XY had more content despite being 3D. So there's no reason to think XY would have more content if it didn't have 3D. I'm sorry you have trouble reading.
>would game A have been better if it were made in this other way
>NOOOOO IT'S ALREADY PERFECT SEETHE ABOUT THE OTHER GAME INSTEAD
That's pure genwar bullshit and you know it. You just take jabs ate Unova supposedly having less content whenever you can to start genwars when people inevitably point out Kalos doesn't have as much as it.
game A have been better if it were made in this other way
And the answer is no, because we have game B as an example that was made the other way that had less content. I'm sorry you have trouble reading.
>that had less content
that's the part where you start a genwar and you miss the point. People are asking you to directly imagine XY with nothing different except the sprites, not another game. It's you who's hellbent on genwarring.
While I agree with that quote, Ash is a unique design. Everyone wants to be ash. His quote should emphasize the importance of designing good characters as well. No where does it remotely imply that they should just give up and let the player do that job for them.
All of those would be much easier in 2D though. Also, Gen 5 has replacements for all of those while Kalos does not have replacements for all of those pre-get 5 ones plus all the Unova-exclusive ones.
> there's no reason to think XY would have more content if it didn't have 3D
?
Of fricking course there wine more content since they would have had more dev time.
>amie is cut because it's too hard to implement in 2D
>super training is cut because it's too hard to implement in 2D
>trainer customization is cut because it's too hard to implement in 2D
>diagonal movement and roller skates is cut because it's too hard to implement in 2D
>gen 5 exists and it has less content anyway as evident from its lack of fishing rods, berry farming, triple and rotation battles, inverse battles, sky battles, horde battles, fewer less complex routes, no battle frontier, etc
Uh huh. Sure moron.
>iit: two morons shitfling at eachother until we hit bump limit
why does the amount of content in XY always get compared to BW2 and not BW1? seems unfair to compare a base version to an enhanced one
XY isn't a "base version" because there is no "enhanced version". it is the one and only version.
the only thing they used gen 5’s dev time for was to pad the game with a bunch of new pokemon everyone immediately stopped caring about after playing the game once. The rest of the game is lacking.
>the thread turned into another Unova vs Kalos genwar because of invertbrains replying to discord trolls
to put this back on track, I think it would, but it would also be interesting to see Kalos essentially share visuals with Unova. Kalos was pretty loved on release because of how new and shiny it was and then its reputation dropped as time went on. If it had sprites it might be the opposite, more disappointing on release but easier to be nostalgic for as time went on.
>I would like it more because I would slowly forget how much worse the game is over time like with gen 5 while jerking off over the sprites
why are we still pretending like sprites aren't ugly?
The standards for sprites is staggeringly low. It makes me sad as someone who has a genuine appreciate for games with high effort spritework that morons just clap at any game that lazily throws in shitty sprites as if simply having sprites is an automatic improvement to the game’s quality.
>Nooo you can't like simply styles, you have to overhype it and imagine it way better than it is
still pissed sea and sky turned out to be vaporware
The messed-up pixels are burning my eyes but that tyranitar look like it's suffering more than me.
nOOOoooOO you cant say that my childhood m-must be perfect!!!
People would probably pretend the design decision issues it has also aren't prevalent in other pokemon games, as seen by those certain other pokemon games existing
I hate XY because of Diggersby and Goomy's line but those sprites are very nice, OP.
Why are we even talking like GameFreak makes the models when we KNOW that Creatures is the one that makes the models.
How is it relevant?
>how is it relevant to point out that GF doesn't make the models in a thread about arguing about the quality of the models and pinning it on GF
Stop being obtuse.
No one pinned it on gamefreak specifically. Total effort would have been reallocated in the hypothetical scenario.
You didn’t actually answer the question.
the thread has nothing to do about the quality of models, those are irrelavent shitposters that can't go one Kalos thread without shitting up the discussion.
You guys ever get deja vu coming to these threads
You will wish Game Freak returns to Sprites, they're simple and easy to make.
Gen 3 and 5 have always been my favorites and I only just recently learned that it's at least partially because they run at 60fps (just the battles in gen 5 though)
There was always some unquantifable thing that made me feel more comfortable playing them and I think that was it.
No, if should be remade using SwSh scale and proportions.
Nope. Just got to Parfum Palace in Y and was overcome with boredom.
>le meme argument
It's just my personal opinion that XY are boring games.
that’s weird, when I have a personal opinion that bw2 is boring I’m able to elaborate why with objective reasons for why that is. I wonder why you can’t.
Because I don't care about changing the opinions of people who don't matter in my life.
And yet you decided to post anyway.
Cause I like posting.
This thread is cursed with Yawngay's unholy presence.
Why are honedge and doublade on here twice
Sheathed and unsheathed
are there any fan games with pixel sprites and mons upto gen 9?
i hate that most fangames have ugly gba visuals, i am looking for something more polished and visually aesthetic
>i hate that most fangames have ugly gba visuals
gba rom hacking is the easiest and most developed, so hacks like radical red have all the mons
proper ds rom hacking is light years behind gba, im not very familiar with legit ds rom hack fangames
essentials games (fangames made in rpg maker like Uranium, Insurgence, etc.) use a slightly modified DS visual style though, so if you're looking for something like that you can probably find it there.
>battle maison is literally the battle subway with objectively more content
>unovagays will still argue battle subway is somehow better
This is how you know they’re being disingenuous. They can’t concede on a single point and will perpetually go “NUH UH” to anything that makes Gen 5 look bad.
That wouldnt fix the region, the region is XY's biggest setback, its so soulless and empty, devoid of any culture in most of its towns, last Lumiose city you would borderline have nothing worth commenting on those locations. npcs dont feel like human beings.
XY never had an issue with its dex, XY's dex is great. making XY as a sprite game wouldnt fix any of its issues.
wow that sure is a lot of buzzwords to say absolutely nothing
Yeah, its because there's nothing in XY.
when I say there's nothing in BW I can actually elaborate on how that is instead of screeching buzzwords. Funny huh?
no you cant. Because BW is rich in literally every aspect. Its richer than even Sinnoh who's heavy in culture, there's not a single town in Sinnoh that doesnt contribute to its worldbuilding, and such is the same for BW.
I didnt say no culture, I did mention the game had some before reaching Lumiose, but it ends at Lumiose. Every other location is just really dull and lacks distinctiveness, none of it really contributes or is vague, the townspeople dont really talk much about the locations they are in, the Pokemon of the region just dont feel important outside of maybe Furfrou who has a gimmick entirely surrounding it, hell there's more about megas and even megas has really little, the Lucario statue, the giant megalith crystal which resonates with megas and is never elaborated on why, and thats where it ends.
I genuinely feel we got more out of Mega Evo from Hoenn than we did in XY. Shit's just so poorly done overall, I truly, genuinely hope this is one of the points Pokemon Z does, I dont believe we'll be sticking to Lumiose only otherwise I may as well forfeit hope on that idea.
>Because BW is rich in literally every aspect
Define "rich"
All of these really
Now explain how this applies to BW.
Play the games.
how is Unova rich in culture?
How do you go an entire game that is filled to the brim with different culture across every single town and have the audacity to ask me this? Hell, pick one town, I can probably break down every single aspect that makes that town have its identity.
>How do you go an entire game that is filled to the brim with different culture across every single town
explain what this means
>explain
>explain
>explain
>explain
youre a broken record but I like talking so ill feed it to you, the person who has not played the games.
Its identity and history. Pick one town in Unova and you wont find it anywhere else, both visually as you can tell from the picture, and culturally from history to what it has at present, thats what culture is all about.
Thats the case for Sinnoh, Hoenn has plentiful of cases too, and to answer that its the livelihood of Unova with the NPCs that brings these aspects of culture above the others
Johto also has a few aspects of this but they arent really all that rich outside of 3 towns, and in my opinion it gets hindered by having to stick with Kanto which has borderline no cultural aspects beyond a museum and Pokemon Tower and its hard to say a graveyard is a cultural structure but we'll go with that for the sake of not upsetting people.
its just flavor, just a picture I found that had all towns to illustrate my point
> Its identity and history
Explain how the towns have more identity and history than the ones in Kalos
Id have to go and compare every single town and I cant be assed, from a general aspect towns that have good cultural aspect in kalos comparatively to Unova are Lumiose City and Couriway town, everything else feels shadow or generally structured the same or even goes as far as clashing in a way that isnt explained like Pokeball factory being all the way up to Laverre city a town that from a general cultural aspect has no relation to factories whatsoever, Geosenge having 3 random stone pillars built on top of the weapon, and the surrounding people in that town give you no additional info whatsoever about the culture of the town. those aspects bring down XY severely in my opinion, its lack of structural narrative feels soulless, I mentioned in the thread before but a game with so much heavy focus on Mega evolution research has very little idea of how things work and why things work like Anistar's crystal resonating with them, stuff like that just feels like poor execution to me.
You actively see people in Humilau indulging in water activities and even have structures like the underwater tunnel leading to it, you dont have that in pacifidlog town, while a great town idea on paper its execution is rather shallow
Seafolk village is more or less the same, it has a few cool boats but you cant even do much with them, little to no NPCs to interact with, its just boring
Even if Kalos isnt super culturally rich, Alola just shot itself in the foot in regards to its culture
> and the surrounding people in that town give you no additional info whatsoever about the culture of the town
They do though. Did you pay attention to the game?
Show me then, liar
Humilau city is just like Pacifidlog Town and Seafolk Village
>Humilau city
island, houses on shallow beach
>Pacifidlog Town
houses on floating logs in the middle of the ocean
>Seafolk Village
pier with nomadic people living in unique houseboats
I'm not the moron you were replying to but those are 3 different places and not alike.
other regions have different themes for each town. how does that make their culture less rich than Unova?
kind of just seems like the cities are named after clouds
stop feeding the troll
>Kalos has no culture
this lie has gotten out of hand
Genwargays really showing their true colors... I guess Pokemon Day really fricking mindbroke them.
BW is rich in culture like the CHARIZAAAAARD FROM KANTOOOOOOOOOOO
bridge.
...right inbetween a bunch of people camping and partying and a town rich on mining and development.
>nooooo but the region with a heavy amount of bridge structures which are all uniquely different cannot have a CHARIZARD BRIDGE ONLY MY KALORINO IS ALLOWED TO GIVE CHARIZARD 2 FORMS
Broken beyond repair. Get well soon.
>19 dexslots wastes on butterflies
having different patterns to collect is kino
you only need one for the dex though
>"feels"
>asks for arguments
>gets provided arguments
>says "n-no"
>runs away when someone else asks for proof
KEKAROO XYgay is pathetic.
You aight, schizo?
>doesnt talk about their "Mysterious Power" that is mentioned when you interact with them
So whats special about these stones? Resistance to weather has no cultural significance.
>is a symbol of immortality in the culture
>”i-it has no cultural significance!!”
You aight schizo?
Anon, take anistar example. People’s daily lives in that city are barely affected by the whole sundial thing. Now compare that to village bridge
> Now compare that to village bridge
The place where people’s daily lives are barely affected by the bridge?
you get lore about how the river floods all the time and they had to adapt to living on the bridge. People in anistar barely mention the sundial
You mean like people barely mention the bridge?
You got the wrong game buddy. It’s Kalos where civilians are obvilious. They mention the bridge.
You got the wrong game buddy. It’s Unova where civilians are obvilious. They mention the sundial.
Verifiably wrong if you had played the games. Stop parroting where it doesn’t apply.
Verifiably wrong if you had played the games. Stop parroting where it doesn’t apply.
>still parroting yet claiming I’m parroting, while his parroting is visible front and center
Thanks for conceding anon. Anyone else ITT can verify for themselves what I’m saying by playing the game, while realizing you’re full of shit.
They literally live on it moron.
>symbol of the eternal
>literally 3 rocks
>only NPC to talk about them is the one you posted
No, if anything the lack of content only felt "acceptable" because people gave GF the benefit of tbe doubt that the transition to 3d was rough on the development and that the gen 6 remakes and third version would fix this. When not only did ORAS not do this, but a Z version was skipped entirely it just really solidified the idea that GF was still stuck in their "one step forward, two steps back" design philosophy that people were hoping they finally broke sway from.